The Lakers Are Insecure For A Reason

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after Christmas and the Clippers have smiles on their faces
and the Laker fans Jonas, Oh, that's sour mood because
they didn't get the present that they wanted on Christmas Day.
I mean, come on, Dan, you can't start off a
show filling it for Doug Gottli without dropping the you
know why? I mean, you know, dropping that thing to
start the show. What are you talking about? You know
it's it's four letters, starts with the b ends with

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an M. You know that thing you say to start
the show. There it is right there. So we are
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a three hour special, but it is a very very
special four hour edition today as it will be an

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extended The Gottlieb Show, because everybody from straight out of
Vegas has off except you. So they're just I mean, listen,
you know some people are the you know, uh sort
of the country club types that that enjoy the fruits
of their labor. And then there's others that bring the
hard hat and a lunch pail to work and just
keep grinding and uh and and that's me Dan, when

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it comes straight out of Vegas. I love to grind.
I'll be grinding on New Year's Eve, you know what
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The Clippers didn't treat the Lakers very friendly last night,
winning their second matchup with the Lake Show on the season.
Winning last night in a game that had controversy, it

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had great play and in the end it ended up
with a Clippers victory. Who are now the Clippers too
and know in their season series against the Los Angeles Lakers,
and in my humble opinion, Jonas have clearly stated while
the Lakers have the better record, the Clippers have the
better lineup they have the better coaching staff, They are

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the better team in Los Angeles. Yeah. So, so then
where do we stand now for Laker fans? Does that
mean that now the regular season isn't all that important?
Because I keep hearing like all these wind streaks are
putting together and these road records. Are we moving the
goalposts on that as well? You we now have a
two game sample size that has given you a clear answer. Look,

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the Clippers are better. I mean it's it's a better matchup.
The Lakers may finish with a better record in the
regular season, but the Clippers are a better matchup against
the Lakers than vice versa. And you've seen it played
out two games in a row. If you did a
player draft, I think you'd be surprised at how many
Clippers you would actually take ahead of Lakers after you
maybe get outside of their big three. Yeah, but Lou

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Williams um Pat bever Really I love Pat Beverley, but
I can understand why a lot of people would be
hesitant with him. But they just they feel like, and
I don't know about you, but both games, even when
the when the Lakers got up early, it just felt
like there was no real panic with the Clippers, it
was like, Okay, well we'll just listen. They're they're managing

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whatever they're managing long term. And then in these games
and when it came down to it down the stretch,
they made the plays and the Lakers didn't. Two games
in a row. Yeah, I think that's like the calming
effect of Kauai a bit like like when you talk
about leadership, you say, well, leaders don't necessarily have to
be vocal. You actually kind of have a vocal leader
already in Patrick Beverley being there, But Kauai is kind

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of the pulse of that team. And actually think he's
done it with the Raptors as well of just being
that steadiness and when you go out and play the
way that he did, it really really helps a lot.
But I think that that's reflective of them. And yeah,
down fifteen, they don't panic. They get key stops and
there's a big rebound here or a bucket there that

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the Clippers aren't having. The ball end up in Cantavious
Caldwell Pope's hands like the Lakers were in a big
moment and he ends up tossing up a break three.
There's just a lot of composure on the Clippers side,
and you know, we were in your I was in
here yesterday leading into the game talking with Aaron Torres,
and I just want to give him credit for the
point because I brought up all the different things about
the Clippers, and you know what, maybe a tip of

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the captain, Doc Rivers just for as much flak as
he's gotten. And there was the you only won the
title with the Celtics, that was the only thing that
you've done. To see what he has done, not only
with last year's team, but this year's team. Yeah, they
just they they just seemed like the better team. And
in the two matchups that they've had in what we're
marquee playoff atmosphere type games, they've come through in the

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clutch and the Lakers to know, and they've had the
best player on the floor. Kauai is outplayed Lebron James
in both games. And it's actually not even close. And
we can sit here and talk about a groin injury.
We're gonna talk about, you know, a replay review, uh
later on in the show, but the bottom line is
Kawhi Leonard has outplayed him multiple times in a row.
Now it's there right in front of your eyes. You

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can either believe it or you can be in denial.
The regular season thing that you mentioned as well, I
think is unique because it matters to Laker fans for
some reason. And I've never understood it. I've never understood
for a team that has won seventeen World championships that
why you would now care about a regular season like that,

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that that that doesn't add up. But Jonas, I even
think it goes further. I remember on Opening Night when
Lebron was ready to get things going and the national
anthem was ending in the home of the Bravest sung
and he's going, you know WHOA, let's do this last night.
There seemed like a playoff type of atmosphere. And now
you had you had Paul George back for the for

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the Clippers, you had Kyle Kuzma back for the Lakers,
so even more so than Opening Night, and you're playing
actually on the Lakers floor, same arena, but it's a
Lakers home game, Lakers fans, everything is there for the Lakers,
and for them to make that statement on national TV
and they couldn't get it done. I mean, it's it's
it's it's pretty amazing. I'll tell you exactly what it

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is with with the Laker fans and the fan base
and why the regular season means so much is because
they realize the threat is real. Because they realize that
the danger is there. It's why they've said such disparaging
things about the Clippers. I mean, look, five six years ago,
seven years ago, ten years ago, were the Clippers even
on the Lakers radar. They were in the same building

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and nobody cared. They didn't think about them. They were
just the the annoying little brother that you know, took
up space and didn't really provide anything to the arena.
And now all of a sudden, the threat is real.
The Clippers in the last six years have been the
better run organization and the better team. And they're the
better team this year, even after you grab Anthony Davis
and Lebron James over the past eighteen months, and what

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are we seeing, They're the better product. So Laker fans
are trying to and I know that this is a
one of your terms, find your wins. The Laker fans
are trying to find their wins when it comes to
the regular season. So every time they beat up a
team that isn't going to be anywhere near them in
the postseason. They want to jump for joy and celebrate
because they realize get your smiles in now because there's

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tears coming up later. That's Dome. Sorry, sorry about that.
The the Lakers yesterday, and it's it's funny too to
hear all of the response of what happened, and maybe
a denial of the Clippers. But when when you look

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at other pro sports cities and you look at two
team cities like you have in New York, like you
have in Chicago, like you have here, even in in
Los Angeles, and I'm not talking about the Rams and Charges,
but Dodgers, Angels, Yankees, Mets, when we're talking Cubs, White Sox,
whether it be in baseball, you've got those sort of
rivalries and usually Jonas it's when the historic team is

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down that the other team can have an opportunity and
rise up. And the Clippers did that in a sense
with Lob City when the Lakers were down for those years.
Lobs City comes in take some of the headlines, but
really didn't do a lot of damage. When the Mets
and Yankees played played in the Subway Series, Yankees won
that series. The Chicago is a Cubs town for for

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as much as the White Sox, you know, winning a
world title in two thousand five, it's a Cubs town
on the radar, Yeah, correct, correct, This is different. And
I felt that this was the biggest gap between franchises
in the same city, one being relevant and one being not.
Jets and Giants. I mean now in the NFL, I

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still would say it's a Giant's town New York City,
but there's like there's a there's a close gap. Lakers Clippers.
Was was from from here to Hawaii, like it was enormous,
and now you had a little headway with Lobs City
and making it. But when you see what they do
in free agency, you see what their ownership is doing,
you see a new possible arena, the way that this

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gap is closed and has done so. And now to
see this team not only with the Lakers trying to
win the title and not being down and having their
sixth great losing seasons, to see the Clippers be above
them is something I don't think we've seen in sports
in a situation like this with two teams in the
same city. I've been born and raised in l A

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lived elsewhere, but born and raised in l A. And
I can tell you the Clippers have never ever come
close to the Lakers when it and and and this
is the other thing, this whole battle for l A.
It's always going to be a Laker town. It just
it always will be a Laker town. But Laker fans
understand what they're dealing with here. They're not only dealing
with somebody in Kawhi Leonard who is right now, for

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my money, better head to head than Lebron James, and
we've seen it a couple of times in a row now,
but also they're dealing with somebody in Kawhi Leonard who
said no, no, no, I don't want you, I want them.
And that's hard for them to deal with. They've never
really had that before. They've never had a guy not
only turned them down, but stay in the same building

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and go to the other locker room and then bring
a superstar with him. So it's almost like Lebron got
beat at his own game, and Laker fans are having
trouble coming And I think Steve Balmer is I mean,
obviously the owner of the team, but it was a
completely different ball game with Donald Sterling he you know,
you would mess yeah, yeah, just just nuts. But now

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that Steve Balmer is there, and Steve Balmer wants to win,
I mean they want their own arena by the new
NFL Stadium with another arena on the same block. And
everyone's like, yeah, this is past. This has already been
railroaded through, and they'll probably get that, and you'll get
all the stuff that came out a couple of days ago,
the reports of Uncle Dennis's demands from the Clippers and

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the Lakers. Where do you think that came from? Of
course it was the Lakers, like of of course it was.
And and they just strike me as the real pretty
girl or or or hot guy who's never been rejected
and the one time they get rejected, all of a sudden, Now, oh,
I wasn't into them anyways. You know, I don't like
their style. I don't like no, no, what do you mean.

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Forty five minutes ago, you would have done anything to
be in the back of an uber with them, And
now all of a sudden they're not up to your
up to par with you. Give me a break. It
feels like they're having a hard time adjusting to the
idea that they're now second fiddle when it comes to
a team and a basketball standpoint in their own building.
I even, and I even think it goes league wide,

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even of just of of what the last six or
seven years have done to the fan base of caring
about a game before Christmas Day, Like that's they they
cared so much. It's the NBA regular season. We all
know what its value is and it's just getting into
the postseason. But for some reason there was importance to it.
And you know what happens then when you put too

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much importance, you get it stuff back in your face.
And that's what happened. Like if they would have played
it cool and just been like whatever, ely the regular season,
you know who cares, they could totally play this and like,
well they just got Kuzma back, They're gonna add another piece.
But that hasn't been And that's been my biggest problem
with the Laker fan base and people covering the Lakers
up unto this point. They're also doing the straw Man argument,

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Like I'm seeing Laker fans when they were rattling off
all those wins in a row, Yeah, you still doubting us.
You just got Anthony Davis, and who's doubting you? Like
whoever said the Lakers weren't going to be a good team,
even Las Vegas had him projected at fifty something wins
as theirs as their season total over this year. Before
the year started, nobody anywhere thought the Lakers weren't going

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to be a good team. So they're now manipulating their
own mind into thinking that everybody's out to get us,
nobody's out to get you. Nobody anywhere with half a brain.
I thought that if by adding Anthony Davis you were
all of a sudden not going to be any good,
You were going to be leaps and bounds better. And
you are, but but you forgot who you were. It's

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all about titles, not regular season wins. And they got
caught up in the emotion early on, let alone caring
about a team on November December four or here we
are on December twenties and just ridiculous. All right, Dan
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Mr Michael Lee Michael Lee Jones. This here on Fox
Sports Radio, Marry Christmas, Michael'm gonna talk to you. How
are you? That's Uh, it's great to have you on,
and it's great to have you on a day after
an epic showdown last night between the Clippers and Lakers
taking that whole game. What's the thing that most surprised

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you about last night that maybe you didn't expect or
just something that you saw finally come to fruition. What
was your biggest surprise from last night's Clippers victory? Uh,
that I wasn't surprised by anything that happened. Maybe I
don't know. Um, the Clippers are better team than the Lakers. Um.
They they have four guys who can get you twenty

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points a game, and the Lakers have two guys that
they can count on. If those two guys aren't on
and they're not playing at super human levels, they're gonna
have some struggles. They're gonna be able to um to
go out there and m and compete at a high
level and the Clippers, Kauai is having an off night
or Paul George's having off night, blue wave of my
fail amount for Montreal, Harold my barrel fail amount, and

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they just had this scrappiness. That's the tenaciousness that they
just will never give up on a game. And I say,
that's what the Clipper that displayed. And they got three
really great perimeter defenders. They got to all defensive guys
that get at the player of the year, while literally
Paul George and Patien Beverly is just the biggest raton
out there going. And so I wasn't surprised by anything

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other than I guess I want to see Anthony Davis.
You don't have a big game in these moments, um,
And I know that he had some game with this
with Propelicans, but he's never played under this sound of pressure.
This kind of screwediny and I just I'm waiting to
see him to step up, um and perform in a
situation where he's really needed. Lebron is compromised, Michael is

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Kauai better than Lebron at this point or is it
simply a matchup thing when these two teams meet out
that Kauai gets the best of him. Um well, I mean,
I think, look, there are things Lebron does better than Kauai,
but I think if we're talking about just the entire package,
Kauai is better than Lebron right now. Kauai is the
best player in the game right now. Um he has

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the ring that supports that. You know, he's the guy
that goes out there and says, I'm gonna shut you
down defensively, kind I'm gonna give you a thirty. On
the other end, nobody else in the league can do
that the way he does, and nobody is just as
committed to doing this as much as he does. And
everybody gets on him about low management, and you know,
they question is toughness and if he's really, you know,

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the best, how come he can't play every game? You
know what? Not many guys can bring it on both
ends the way he does. And I think that deaths
What's lost in a lot of discussions about him and
the rest and the low management discussion is that this guy,
when he's on the court, there's no letter, there's not
a single moment that he's not going hard. He's not
giving us off. So, um, I'd rather have a guy

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give me everything games then to take a couple of
nights off on the court and not give me anything
those nights. You never have to worry about that, while
I'm never gonna teat you out of Africa. Michael Lee
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio covering the NBA
for the athletic kas Gena Stocks, I'm Dan Buyer and
for Doug Gottlip here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Have
the Lakers peaked? Um? I think they got up to

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a high start, and I think that anybody you know
they got They got offended when people said they played
they had a week schedule, but they did. They had
a very home friendly schedule. They hadn't gone to the
East Coast until late December. That was the first time
they had left the comforts of the uh, you know
that time zone, the Pacific time zone. I mean they were,

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they were. They had a really pushy schedule that allowed
them to play to their mistakes and developed their chemistry
while beating up on bad teams. A lot of other
teams have taken ls. Again, they played tougher competition and
I don't think it's a bad thing. I think you
beat who you're supposed to beat, and they've done that,
and I give them props for that. But now they're placed,
they're facing some really tough opponents. When you looked at

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the December schedule, you said, you know what, they're gonna
be a lot of teams they're gonna give them trouble
this month, and so far that's been the case. All
the really good teams they faced have have beaten them.
And that that's one of the things they're dealing with now,
trying to find an identity, trying to find that third
option past Lebron and a d and also dealing with
Lebron's you know, mortality. You know, he's dealing with an

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injury now, just like you did this time last year
with Christmas. And we'll see how long they keep them
out of you know, keeps them limited. But you know,
these teams start building up over time, and that that's
what's happening now that the Lakers are just going through
a rough patch. I still think that they're one of
the best teams in the Western Conference because they still
have two of the top six players in the game.
But um, but I think that this is just one

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of the rough patches that every Kings going to encounter.
When you had to schedule as pushy as they did,
you know, you should expect some rough some rough times.
I was really amazed that people were talking about them
winning seventy games that other ridiculous stuff. I was like, hey,
let's let's go it just, you know, take a step
back and just really look at what's happening there. They're
playing well, but they're also benefiting from a lot of
things following in their favor. Michae Lee joining us here

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on Fox Sports Trading. Michael, you're based in Philadelphia? Correct, Yep,
that's a little what's the buzz there with Joel Embiid
coming off for performance that he had because you know
we're talking Lakers Clippers obviously was the marquee game, but
Bucks seventies sixers. Was that a statement game made by
Philadelphia and Joel Embiid or can you still not trust
him to be consistent enough throughout the course of the season. Um,

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I think that there's a lot of trust to pat
Joel and b I think he's one of the best
players in basketball. I think that when he's engaged and
on that there are many better um. And I think
that that was a point that he was trying to send,
you know, in yesterday's game with Jana, I just football
the m v P in the house. He wanted to
let him know that you might have the m v P,
but I'm on your level and on some nights, I'm

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gonna be better. And I think that that was one
of the things that made that that lost in Toronto
last year so deflating for him, because there were nights
in that series where he was the best player on
the court, but Kauai was the best player over the
course of that series, and that's why his team won.
And he realized that if I'm not at my best
but my team needs me the most, then I'm not

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I'm doing them with this surface. And so I think
he's had a very up and down regular season because
he's really trying to pace himself to make sure that
he's healthy, you know, come playoff time. You know, the
last two years he's been hurt. You Know, he was
hurt in that first round series against Miami um uh
and and the the first the first time he made
to the postseason, he never had had found the rhythm

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and he got smoked by Boston in the second round um.
Last year he was dealing with nieds in to night
is for much of the second half of the season.
He missed the playoff game against Brooklyn, and he wasn't
right in the playoffs and they lost in seven games.
And they could have really been a championship team because
they played Toronto better than anybody else in the postseason.
If they had gotten past them and beating the bus

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you hata you had an injury, injury, the depleted you
know um um Warrior's team waiting, they could easily be
NBA champion. So I just think he's taking a different approach,
you know, to this season, and a lot of people
are being critical of it. But I think in some ways,
you know, yeah, you want to see him bring it
like that every night, but thirty and ten every night
is hard. Last year average last year average twenty seven

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and thirteen, and nobody cared because his team lost in
the second round. I've I've loved Joel Embiad. I've actually
always felt that Ben Simmons gets too much hype because
there it's it's not of over one and a one B.
But I just like, to me, it's more about Joel
Embiid and not getting to do that that he deserves.
That that's he's he's special, like he is, he is

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so good. It's because he's so quiet. He doesn't talk
about that. But I'm sorry, let me let me just sliding.
Never this, Mike go because I actually did have a
question on the other bench because maybe Yanna and did
a good boat could learn something from Ben Simmons. But
do you think the Bucks have an issue of him
going oh of seven from three point range yesterday? No,

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I just think that was just sort of a thing
that they just got smashed last They got smashed by
the seven and six. They got ambushed. They weren't anticipating that.
They weren't ready for that. But the one thing about
the Sixers, they've ambushed a bunch of teams in their
house this year. They were up forty cents on Miami
when they came the first time. Um. They put a
put a muzzle on the Boston Telchis when they first

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came there. Um. So they've been doing it. The good
teams that are coming to their building. Um, you know,
they beat they beat Toronto, um pretty good. So all
these top teams in the East, I think they're five
and two against all the other top five teams in
the in the conference. Um, so there they can beat
they can hang with the best. It's just they also
can drop some ugly games against the worst because they're

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not focused. And I think a lot of that does
start with Joel eb As as leader of that team,
and some of that starts with Ben Simmons too because
his energy level. I think it's just as important to
them and their success because if both of them aren't
bringing the energy, then they're really going to be flat. Um,
and if one of them doesn't, it's going to be
a bit of a challenge against the Bucks. They vote

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were motivated, they vote for you know, height for that
game because they wanted to make it clear to the
best team, for this team with the best record, that
they were serious about trying to get a win. Find
him on Twitter at Mr Michael Lee. Read him in
the Athletics. He covers the NBA. Michael Lee. Mary Christie
was happy New Year and thanks again for the time,
Michael Michael, All right, thank you, take care, great to

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talk to him. Yeah, good uh and and listen, Christmas
Day is when the NBA should start their season every
single season, Every single season, it should be Christmas Day.
Start trying to compete with the NFL and college football
in October November to losing battle, it takes like you
have to be a die hard to really like dive in.
Like I'll admit I've watched a bunch of Bucks games,

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but um, outside of Lakers, Clippers or stuff like that,
you know, it's sometimes it's difficult to dive in. You
may want to take a look at the Sacramento Kings
or what is Brooklyn got going on? But uh, yeah,
I didn't. I didn't even know that Anthony Davis was
on the Lakers yesterday. I mean, seriously, I've been so
in debt with and by the way, if I'm the box,

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they do have a problem with for seven because you,
honest isn't Kobe yet. You know, Kobe's like I'm not
going over seven, I'm going over twenty or or whatever.
But may maybe honest should learn something from Ben Simmons
the restraints just just don't shoot at all. There there
there was a point where they no one was in
the eighteen feet of them. Instead of taking three dribbles,

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which I know would probably be against analytics, you honest
launched another one guess what a game short. He's not
gonna hit five threes all the time like he did
a week ago. That may have been the worst thing
that's happened to see. I think the problem is you
being a Bucks fan, You're comparing him to Michael Red
and I don't think that's fair. And I don't think
that's fair. Behind Craig Hodges very good, uh, Dan Buyer

(25:15):
Jonas knocks into Doug gott Leeve here on Fox Sports
Radio coming up next, Um, we're going to get a
little bit nostalgic here, right. There's something in the world
of football that is just not the same, not the
same as it used to be. We'll have that for
you next year on fs ARE for all the latest
though from round the world of sports, it's Ralph Irvan. Well,
thank you very much, and we do start with the NFL,

(25:38):
where well, New Orleans last week didn't have to face
Derrick Henry, but Houston this week we'll have to face
Derrick Henry. He's going to play for the Titans. He
will be in the backfield in the season finale as
Tennessee tries to solidify their playoff position. Dak Prescott did
not throw today at the Cowboys practice. He is still
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(26:02):
Christian McCaffrey needs just sixty seven yards to get a
thousand receiving yards for the season. He already has a
thousand on the ground, so that would make him the
third player to ever get a thousand in both rushing
and receiving. Interim offensive coordinator Scott Turner says Carolina will
get the ball of McCaffrey's hands in every way possible.
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(26:23):
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don he'll be back in the lineup for Dallas tonight
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(27:06):
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(27:30):
football season resumes. I know you've had a big Hawaii
Bowl victory. Man, you see my Rainbow Warrior. I did.
I picked b y U so stupid. It's so dumb.
Why do you think against Hawaii in the Hawaii Bowl?
But I did. It was so idiotic Against Cole McDonald,
I mean lights out. I know you know it used

(27:52):
to be old McDonald had a farm called McDonald's gonna
have I. I said, he's got the Hawaii tattoo on
his forearm. And there are only certain states you can
do that, like Tennessee because it's it's a it's a horizontally,
but like you couldn't. I couldn't do that with Wisconsin.
That just wouldn't fit unless I had huge forearms, like
no bra California. You would have to do like half

(28:16):
torso because of the curve and then the other half
would go down your hip, like that's the only way California. Yeah,
but that is true. Ue just south of the Vericles
vein Yeah, I don't know. Check out where is Yeah?
The but there's two ball games today, the transition from

(28:36):
body tattoos the uh yeah, I'm sorry, Louisiana Tech takes
on Miami. I forgot. I was gonna call him the
luck Tech Texters. I've got their nicknames Bulldocks taking out
of my Ammericanes. You got the Independence Bull coming up
at uh yeah, just in about twenty five minutes or so.
And then in the uh quick Lane Bowl in Detroit,

(28:57):
Eastern Michigan takes on pit. Now you have predictions for
these games, I may have listened to Brad Powers and
making predictions, and I so I'm gonna go with the
Bulldogs on this one. With the Hurricanes at seven point favorite.
Where in the world, what kind of world are we
living in that we are picking Lattech to beat the

(29:18):
Miami Hurricanes. I mean, talk about how things have changed
in college football of what was and what of of
who is? Where You've got Florida State playing in the
Sun Bowl against Arizona State and the days of us
growing up and the programs that that you thought dominated

(29:39):
college football or did dominate college football. Nebraska is not
even in a bowl game this year. My, how things
have changed. I wonder. It's like, I wonder how many
people growing up were die hard Miami Hurricane fans, and
the Miami Hurricanes were the inspiration to get into one
to want to covering college football, and an ultimate goal
when you're a fan is and I can't wait to

(30:00):
cover that team. And now you do cover that team,
and you're at the Independence Bowl in shreport the day
after Christmas because they're staring at a potential below five
hundred season, which is a shame considering how many ds
took the job on the up and up. You know,
there was no he didn't burn any bridges there to
take that game. That's true, Yeah, that is that is true.

(30:23):
I mean he didn't lose either, but you know, not
enough there. Just didn't get it done. That's you know,
it's crazy. Like we grew up in Miami was it
was the youu it was from I mean, what do
we want to say from the early nineties all the
way to the early two thousand's, I mean a ten
year run to where they were the most dominant team

(30:44):
potentially consistency in college. I think you go back into
the eighties with the quarterbacks that they had, would Jimmy Johnson, Yeah,
and and I mean Vinnie Testa verdie and Jim Kelly
lost to yeah, Bernie Cozar like from that string. And
it may not have been every single year, but it was,
but it was, but it it was more consistent. And

(31:06):
the same thing with Florida State. And that's what that's
what's so crazy now is about the the I don't
want to say that Alabama is on a meteoric rise
because Alabama's Alabama. But there was a point where Alabama
was Okay, it's just Alabama. I told you guys, before
the show, like Dennis Francionly left to take the Texas

(31:26):
A and m job like that, Who is the coach?
Was it Mike Mike Price who had to who lost
his Alabama job? Because what he got a couple of
like prostitutes or something like that. It was it wasn't that,
it was it was I don't know if they were
if if it was, um, I don't think it was prostitutes.

(31:48):
I think it may have been like strippers or or something. Yeah,
it wasn't. It wasn't solicit soliciting anything. It was just
I think he was spotted in the you know, it
was a bad situation. And yeah, so I came over
from Washington State. Yeah, so like embarrassing, but embarrassing enough
to lose your job. But but the idea that like

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you would have an Alabama job, like like if you
got hired by Alabama, I mean, that's one of the
great jobs in the country right now, there is no
way you would screw that up in any way, shape
or form. You would know, all right, I'm not going
to screw this up. Yet this guy comes over from
Washington State and he feels so emboldened that he's like
all right risk reward. All right, if I get you know,

(32:31):
if I don't get caught, I still in the head
coach of Alabama. And you know, okay, but if I
do get caught with these women, so what I lose
the Alabama job, Big deal. I'll go. I'll go to
uh you tap after after my my coaching days are done.
Here this is this is from Wikipedia. This is what
it was. He had the contract rescinded after he was
seen at a strip club in Pensacola, Florida, and then

(32:53):
also had about a thousand dollars charts to his hotel
room by an unknown woman staying in the room. So
that's that's that's according to Wikipedia. And he was reprimanded
for visiting campus bars and drinking in Tuscuconsa, and then
that ended up that ended up putting an end to
that era. But but yet to see to see like

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where like the rest of the A C C and
then includes Florida State and Miami aren't even the same
area code of Clemson right now, and like to get
to that level, we we see the the success of
Alabama and maybe l s U and Georgia have have
matched that are on the on the same level, but
the consistency for the extended period of time is not there.

(33:34):
To see, the gap that's in the Big Ten right
now between Ohio State and the other thirteen schools is
bigger than really than it's ever been. And to think
of just of what college football was. I mean, if
you had a playoff in of Notre Dame, Colorado Nebraska
in Miami, you would be sign, oh my goodness. And

(33:56):
and now you're like, well, nobody's playing on New Year's
Day in any of those games. Some weren't even playing
in any bowl games at all. Just it's a different
time and from from our time of of you know,
of late eighties, early nineties and the marquis a college
football never thought you're sitting here watching the you go

(34:16):
to Shreveport, Louisiana to play the day after Christ. If
somebody told me twenty five years ago, it's nine, and
somebody says twenty five years ago, a by the way,
twenty five years from now, Miami is gonna be playing
on December twenty six against Louisiana Attack. I would say,
who's Louisiana Attack? What are you talking about? Like, what
what do you mean they're gonna play Louisiana Tech. And

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this is and to your point on the a c C.
Think about this is how bad the a c C is.
Clemson was punished more for winning a close game against
North Carolina than Georgia was for losing a close game
to South Carolina. That's how bad the a c C is.
Like Clemson was punished all year for that, which is

(34:58):
why they're at where they're even though they won every game.
They've looked really good lately. Trevor Lawrence off to a
rocky start in the beginning of the season, but they
got punished for having a close game because the a
c C is so down it's awful. It is not
good at all. And that hat trick there, it's not
even the hat trick. But with Virginia making it to
the championship game, and I think it's the Coastal Division.

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Every single team in that division has made the championship
game over the last seven years, so there's been a
different representative, but every school has been there. Tez. He
also something about the lack of consistency parody. Hey, Independence,
bull Let's go Bulldogs, all right, Dan Buyer Jonas knocks
him for Doug Gottlieb here on Fox Sports Radio. If

(35:41):
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He's Jonas Knocks, I'm Dan buy are sitting in for

(36:02):
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(36:22):
game time on the Doug gott lab Show with Ralph Irvan. Hello, Ralph, Hello,
what what game do we have on tap today? Well?
Today we are playing all right, guess who I love
guests who? It's a Thursday staple here that in a
new game we developed called I Feel a Draft where

(36:45):
we just draft stuff. But today it's guests who All right, Ralph,
serve it up. Why why are you not you're creating
games for TV? I don't get it. Oh man, we
could we gotta draft. We could have drafted anything. We
could have drafted the games we played for game time.
But guess who was not playing I Feel a Draft today?
Us yep, ye, there it is, all right, there, it

(37:11):
is alright, go ahead, all right, Well, who popped up
on the injury report for the New Orleans Saints. M M.
I'm gonna say, Reuben Mays. Oh that's a good guess,
I will go. It wasn't Pat Swelling or Von Dunbar

(37:31):
either reference. It was Drew Brees and Michael Thomas. And
Thomas emerged on Wednesday's injury report from a practice that
didn't happen. If practice had happened, Drew Brees and Michael
Thomas would have been limited with me in hand injuries, respectively.
Neither player appeared on the week sixteen report. There's no
reason to believe that either would be unavailable for the

(37:52):
Saints game at Carolina especially since Sean Payton said no,
no, no no, no, no, no no no, that's not happening. Well,
I saw when Michael Thomas was was handing out gifts.
It was it went viral. He gave a gift to
a kid at a children's hospital. And one of the
things that I noticed in there, because the kid even
asked him about it, his hand was all bandage like bandage,

(38:14):
pretty heavily, and I guess it was from the play
where he tried to score off his record break and
catch but he came up short and then he banged
up his hands. I'm curious to see how how serious
that is moving forward, because I don't know if you
know this is not Dan. You know, receiver needs his hands.
Do you think this game should be a Guess who that? Ah?
You know what, we'll count. That's good, ye, Draymond Green

(38:41):
is hard. He did not like guess who that? Go
pun yourself alright, Ralph for the awkward silence. Let's get
to the second one. Guess who won the team m
v P for the Pittsburgh Steelers this year? This is easy,
yancy thing. Guys, aren't speed on Louis lips? Who is it?

(39:04):
It was not Bobby Brister either. His Steelers have once
again announced that their team m VP prior to Week seventeen,
and this year it was t J. Watts. Actually was
if I had a serious guess, it would have been
t J. Watts. Watt has fourteen sacks this year. This
is a new game is called guess what a right

(39:26):
odd jeez is a jerk? Oh? All right, awkward silence?
You know, there we goes. We drafted awkward silence high
in this segment. Guess who turns thirty five in March
but plans on playing running back until he's forty? Oh,

(39:52):
Larry's anka Come on here serious, you're ready to have
like a real conversation here, Okay? Raymond Harrison Harris right
over y U of the Holiday Bowl six years ago.
I'm guessing Adrian Peterson. I was going to go off

(40:14):
the boards and switch it up on alright head to
be him or Frank Gore. They're the only mid thirty
running backs in the NFL, and he's gonna retire first,
Frank or Adrian Peterson. Oh, Adrian Peterson, I mean I
think I actually think Josh Jacobs might retire before that.
Could be oh Man Doors just plugging along. He's not

(40:37):
gonna catch emmen, but he's moving up there. Well he's three.
I don't think he gets to two, right, Yeah, you
have to do. And then Smith's record, I think is
now the most untouchable in the NFL. There's not gonna
be a running back that sticks around that long. Absolutely that,
and well, yeah, that'll be game time is game time

(40:58):
on the Dug Godla. We actually have a hockey version
of that game. Yeah, it's guess how, Yeah, this guy
played until he was eighty two and then you yea,
So we've got we've got guess who, Guess how, Guess
who Dad? And guess what? Unbelievable. It's like that gambling segment,

(41:19):
the hockey gambling statement. I came out, what's the segment
called Crosby stills in cash. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three
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the I Heart Radio app. Glad to have you along
on this day after Christmas, getting set for the Independence Bowl,

(41:42):
Low Tech, taking on Miami, and getting a set for
Week seventeen in the National Football League season. Also taking
a look back at what transpired last night in the
NBA Lakers and Clippers. Of course you had the five
Christmas Day games, but what went down in l A
was surely something. Today's show is brought to you bind
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(42:03):
treat you like you'd treat you, Jonas. I've discovered something
after last night's Lakers Clippers game that people actually want
to complain about the right call. Oh yeah, no, they
want wrong information. Dan, you didn't know that, like we okay,
do you want it done the right way? The wrong way?
But what a dumb question? Of course, the wrong way. Yeah,

(42:24):
everybody does. Actually, the NFL's come out and say, great
call in Saints Rams from a year ago. Why you know,
there's there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, that is right.
And what we are alluding to is what transpired in
the final seconds of last nance game between the Lakers
and Clippers, where Patrick Beverley knocked the ball out of
the hands of Lebron James with about three seconds remaining.

(42:47):
The initial call was that the ball was out of
bounds on Patrick Beverley, but after an extensive video replay review,
the call was overturned and the Clippers were given possession
where they essentially could run out the clock after a foul.
Lebron James Jonas had something to say about this call
in this postgame press conference with reporters. I never feel

(43:07):
like the ball went off my hand, but I mean
that's what that's the way they went. He watched, if
you watched, he plays on that. Um, I've seen a
little bit on a jumble Trump, but not nothing's I've
been here. Because the physics of it was just kind
of confusing, like how does it how does it go
with that angle? If no, man, if he strips down,
the ball will go down. It wouldn't go back. They
stripped the ball and they went I don't know. I
don't know. I mean, I mean, if you look at

(43:29):
a slow motion four or five ten times, you know,
you can always, you know, decide if it's it could
be a different, different call, you know, through out of
a live game. If he strips the ball and the goals,
I mean, it's it's it's just weird to me. But
that wasn't the game right there that it's a big
play and you want to try to get it right,
But it wasn't a game that that that lost this
that he touched the ball. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Interesting,

(43:53):
it's not three D art. Well you're trying to see
the shark. I mean, you know you know what Dan like, Yeah,
if you use DNA evidence, of course I did it.
But I mean, come on, like, if you got to
go that far, if you've got to go that far
to try and find out whether I did it, I
mean I should be exonerated because of that. I mean,
come on, man, this is and I understand you want

(44:14):
to win, but it was a magnificent defensive play by
Patrick Beverley, and video replay confirmed the play and was
able to validate how great of a defensive play call
it actually or defensive play it actually was. Jonas, it's
not it's not the Lakers being wronged by this, and

(44:36):
that you go by the original call. It was a
magnificent play, and yeah, the physics of it don't make sense,
but also the optical the optics of what we saw
was that Lebron's fingers touched it as it flew out
of bounds, just like if you're going for a layup
and knocked the ball into your hands and it hits
your knee out of bounds. Guess what, it's gonna end

(44:57):
up being my basketball because it went off of your knee.
It's the same exact thing. And I just cannot believe
people are complaining about video replay when video replay got
the play rights and made a great defensive play even better.
I just I don't get why people look at this
stuff and think it's bad for sports, not only just

(45:19):
in the NBA, but in the NFL. Like I've always
been under the assumption that we want to get it right,
Like that's what always been. What I thought is that
you know, if you if you've got the ability to
to change a call to the right call, why would
you not take advantage of it? Well, you know, I
mean that's that's not the game we grew up with.
So what people used to churn butter and ride horseback

(45:41):
and horse and carriage over through the streets to try
and get to where they want to go. Am I
just supposed to sell my car and go back to
the old days because I have new technology. You've got
the technology, you have the ability. It was clear the
ball was off Lebron James. Last, what is the complaint? Like,
I I don't understand how people can look at this,
even if you're a Laker fanboy, how can you look

(46:03):
at this and say, yeah, look it's okay, so it
did go off his hand, but that shouldn't be the call. Okay,
So what should be the call? The wrong one? And
it doesn't make sense in the landscape that we are
now in when you take a step back and you
encompass what we now have in the National Football League,
what we've gotten pretty much every professional sport we have

(46:24):
of some sort of video replay being used. Last nine,
in my mind, was pretty conclusive Jonas. It also wasn't
an opportunity to be subjective about. It wasn't a pass
interference call. It wasn't did this guy make contact before
the ball was being thrown or within a five yard
radius or within a yard of the line of scrimmage.

(46:46):
It was none of that. It's basically, who did the
ball go off of? And that is what the replay
and that's really what replay was designed to do in
the NBA, Like, let's make sure that the three point
shot was a three and his foot was on the
line that maybe we couldn't see in real time, or
let's see if the ball went out of bounds on
someone because maybe our rough was out of position or

(47:07):
being blocked. This was the instant replacement around in the
NFL for so long, and the new, the new implication,
the the implementation of it for pass interference is something
that I don't like. But this is why you have
replay in the NBA. This isn't anything new. This is
it's designed exactly what it was. It was used as
it was designed for, and they got it correctly. So

(47:29):
the only people who are complaining are Lebron James because
it went off of and any Laker fan who for
some reason are complaining because it was such a slow
motion that you couldn't tell. That to me is absurd. Look,
careers and legacies are on the line every single game.
That's just a fact. And and more so maybe in
the NFL than than in the NBA, because you know,

(47:50):
you lose this game, you've got eighty one other games
that you can make it up. In the NFL, you
lose a game like that, and and guess what, you
get screwed. If you don't have instant replaying, you don't
get the call right. And the one I always go
back to. And this is why I've been pounding the
table for multiple years. I think everything should be reviewable
in the NFL. I think, if we've got the technology,
let's use it. Why did Dennis Ericson lose his job

(48:13):
with the Seahawks because they got screwed on a Vinny
Test of Verdi quarterback sneak at the goal line. Seattle
would have gone to the playoffs that year and and
Dennis Ericson probably would have kept his job. But they
called Vinny Testaverdy on a goal line sneak a touchdown
when clearly after replay he was short of the goal line.
His whole his whole resume would look different, everything would

(48:36):
be different about Dennis Ericson in the NFL. Fily got
Mike Holm grin. So I'm fine with it now being
down the street. Yeah, you to your point, I here's
I have a problem with how it's how things are
happening in the NFL with replay. To your point, I
can't go as far as you want to go where

(48:57):
everything is replayable, because I think that there are there
are different things. I think in the NFL you can
see face masks clear as day. If a guy has
grabbed a face mask you can review that and and
show a face mask. For some reason, referees missed that call.
And I've never understood how a face mask could be missed.

(49:19):
But I think that you can see that. I think
that false starts or a guy moving if if somebody
ends up moving on the line and the defense is
jumps off sides down like a fourth and four, you
can be like, watch the left guard move his arm
or or like that, like that's something. The past interference
one to me is just so it's so subjective, and there's,

(49:40):
there's and and now what the NFL has done has
made it just so difficult that they're not gonna really
overturn it unless it's an extreme case. To me, last
year's blown call with the Saints and Rams, you gotta
figure out a way how the ref makes that call.
The problem wasn't that there was replay, that there was
an't replay to correct the air. It was the fact

(50:02):
that the arrow was made in the first place. That's
the issue that I have with what the NFL is doing.
And look and the NFL to to your point, it's
it's all subjective on people will look at it and say, well, no, yeah,
if you slow it down, Like I I get all that.
Here's where the difference between that and what we saw
last night in the Laker game was. It's not subjective.
That was off Lebron's hands. There is no other way

(50:23):
you can interpret that. There is no other way you
can watch that and say, well, yeah, but the laws
of physics, no, no, no, the laws of my eyes
tell me that the ball last touched his hand before
it went out of bounds. Therefore Clippers basketball case closed,
done deal. How is this arguable? I don't get it.
I really do not understand it, you know, as the

(50:43):
best replay I think in sports? Who's that? Baseball? I
think the outer safe over done? Is he there? And
I listen. I I don't know if every single call
in Major League Baseball has been correct, but I know
that there's a heck of a lot more of them
that are rights than are wrong. Of of of what

(51:04):
you've gotten. And it's crazy because that's what we loved
about baseball with balls and strikes. And now if replay
is going to go to that point we were, maybe
we'll open up a can of worms. But right now,
in the implementation of where replay works, I love it
the best in baseball because outer safe is a big
freaking deal. In basketball, outer bounds is one possession. Now

(51:26):
it's a big deal when there's three seconds left in
the game. That is a big deal. In the on
a third and five in the first quarter of an
NFL game on a possible pass interference, not that big
of a deal. But in baseball, I think that it
is a big deal. So when you're talking about using
replay with the NFL really kind of starting it and
having it in basketball in certain certain situations, I actually

(51:48):
like how baseball has their replaces. And I also don't
give a rip about this. Well, it's gonna slow the
games down, it's gonna take too long. Let me tell
you something, if my job was on the line, I'm
well ling to stay back an extra fifteen minutes or
ten minutes, or five minutes or two minutes to make
sure they get something right. So I don't care about
it slowing down the pace of the game. I think

(52:10):
I think that's that that's people that clearly just want
to be told the wrong information and just go on
without their day. Like, as as long as look my
eyes are closed, I don't have no idea. What's happening.
You just figure it out, don't tell me anything, and
then I'll just trust. Like, listen, they got the call right.
It was clearly off Lebron James. It's why replay was
put in. Now. There are times to where it feels

(52:33):
like at the end of basketball games, everybody's spinning their
finger in the air, going, oh, can we get another
look at it? Like everybody's And apparently the officials have
the authority to determine whether or not it's worth getting
a second look at. So, yes, there has been more
of that there, but the rule was put in so
we don't have any more plays like this to where
it was clearly off Lebron James and it was ruled

(52:56):
to be off Patrick Beverley and the Clippers first, and
how Lebron has even trying to deny that. He couldn't
even come up with an explanation to make Afterwards, he
started to go down the road like he heard himself
saying it out loud, and he realized that doesn't sound right.
You know, the the coaches challenge in the NFL, I
think is is good for the simple fact of if

(53:19):
you use the challenge, you know, to to take a
look at a play it. You only have so many
of them, it's not unlimited. But the issue that like
I see is when the NFL goes to okay, final
two minutes, everything's now under review. We're going to take
a look at it. I think that there should just

(53:40):
be a review. Make it a green flag, make it
a blue flag, whatever the case may be. Where it's
the only thing that you have to revie. You're not
charged the time out for it. But if you're a
coach and you still have that in your back pocket,
if Sean Payton had that in his back pocket to
look at the one play in the game that you wanted,

(54:00):
you wouldn't have coaches, I think, in the first quarter
saying like hey maybe I could get these two right
and and that wouldn't slow up the game. Don't put
the time out to it. Just make it like you
get one replay review and that's it, and it's up
to you if you want to save it, because if
you don't save it, you have to be smart about it. Yeah, exactly,
that's on you then, and it takes all the onus
off of the officials. I also don't like this. All right,

(54:23):
we're giving you guys full power. All right, we're giving
you full power here, your challenge flags, challenge anything you want. Awesome,
that's so cool. Well except for the final two minutes.
That's on us. Wait a second, So so you're dictating
terms again, So I I'm allowed to challenge everything, just
not in this window here like that. Like, if you're
going to give them the power, give them the power

(54:44):
all the way through. Not give them the power and
then take the power away in the most important portion
of the game, which is the final two minutes. It
doesn't make sense to me. And and there's some that
would argue as well that every every close score should
be a score because you get a look at it.
The problem comes. It's when an offensive lineman or a
wide receiver standing in front of the pylon cam and

(55:05):
you can't see if the running back got in. So
you do have to give the referees the ability to
make the call that they think on the field, because
there are times when there are certain views in the
b y U game. The b y U quarterback dives
for the end zone, and oddly enough, they don't have
a camera on the goal line. They have one like
four yards into the goal line. But the point is

(55:27):
is it was called on the field to touch back
and then there was just no sufficient angle to see
and now you have to stick with the call on
the field. By the way, the b y U field
goal in that game, that that was called a miss.
How does anybody think that that went in? Like, why
don't you just come out and say I had money
on b y U and that's screwed me. Like how

(55:48):
does anybody see the ball wrap around the goal of
the goal post and say, oh my god, he made it.
B Yu got screwed? What are you looking at? It
was because there was forty yards between the goal post
in the net. Yeah, I don't And there was a
bunch of empty seats, so the ball kind of blended
in with the orange old Pro Bowl seats. I just

(56:09):
I don't know how anybody got confused by that. I
hope you saw that on Christmas Eve. It didn't spend
time with your family. Yeah, keep your priorities straight. Dan
Buyer Jonas Knox in for Doug Gottleep here on Fox
Sports Radio. Get Dan on Twitter at Dan Byron Fox.
That's at Dan Buyro on Fox. All right, coming up next,
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(56:33):
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(56:54):
This is Fox Sports Radio. Man beat boxing Bobby mc
parents style. He's Jonas Stocks. I'm Dan Buyerre glad to
have you with us. You know, it's just different. Just
throw a on the podcast that sounds the same. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
The the future of the NFL could change after this season, Jonas.

(57:16):
There are some questions about, I don't know on the
future of one Tom Brady, quarterback of the New England Patriots.
There's uh, maybe some we think you should retire. Tom
Brady apparently wants to play the forty six or forty seven.
What do you think that the future exactly holds for
one Tom Brady? Follow the signs here. Um tom Brady

(57:39):
in talking to Jim gray Um, which is always a
fun listen. Um As They had waxed poetically about the
greatness of Macy's during the Monday Night football and primetime
football games. But Tom Brady, and talking with Jim Gray,
said that his plans have not changed. He wants to
keep playing and and the plan is to play in

(57:59):
twenty money. The Patriots did not offer Tom Brady any
sort of an extension. Tom Brady made it a point
to be able to get out of his contract after
this season. In fact, they can't franchise him, so he's
a free agent after this season is over, and I
think more than likely he stays with New England. But

(58:23):
the one team that I would keep an eye on,
and the one situation that I would keep an eye on,
is the Raiders because I don't believe that John Gruden
is completely sold on Derek Carr. They're getting to Vegas,
and I think John Gruden is just enough of a
wild man to want to roll the dice on being
able to work with Tom Brady even at this stage

(58:44):
of his career. When the Raiders get to Las Vegas,
do you think it's a Las Vegas play at all?
Like for that market? Is it all encompassing? And I
think there's gonna be business opportunities for TB twelve in
Vegas to where if you go out there like anybody
that wants to start a business, you can do it
and and have it be a lot more affordable, and
you can really grow your brand or whatever you're trying
to do in Las Vegas as as so many people

(59:06):
have done before. I think on the field and off
the field, I think it's a win win for Tom Brady.
It would be interesting because the type of football that
the Raiders do play with their offensive line, and then
with Josh Jacobs having a very solid rookie season until
what's happened recently with the shoulder injury and then today
the skin infection that he's come down with. But you

(59:28):
would have a running game there to support Tom Brady
if you were to move to Las Vegas and play
for the Raiders, like offensively maybe because their defense is
so bad as well, you can wing it a little
if you are Tom Brady. But if he doesn't return
to New England, I'm gonna give you another option because
I think that Tom Brady would also love to go

(59:48):
to a spot where a team can compete for a
Super Bowl right away and and maybe transition. And when
you're looking around, you're trying to figure out, well, geez,
who really would need a quarterback. If they ended up
in the playoffs, there probably aren't many teams. What about
the Minnesota Vikingskings fall with Kirk Cousins, maybe there's a

(01:00:08):
deal Minnesota makes somewhere else to ship the quarterback. You
could then move Tom Brady right into Minnesota. You would
have your running game with Dalvin Cook. You would have
enough weapons with Stefon Diggs and Adam Feeling, and then
you could have a defense that should be competitive enough.
And what do you know, you could face Aaron Rodgers
two times a year. I would say in the Minnesota

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Vikings could be an option. If the Vikings fall flat
on their face like that did Monday night against the
Green Baby, and also you get a bunch of games
indoors that that'd be easier on the body as well. Together,
the Vikings are a good one. I know some people
have thrown out there, Um, the Dallas Cowboys, I think
has been thrown out there by some people. I don't
think that makes any sense at all whatsoever. I don't

(01:00:50):
know why that would even be thought of an of
an option that would work. Um. And then some people
have brought up the l A Chargers, Like what's the
problem with Philip River, Well, he's getting older, so you're
replaced him with Tom Brady like that. That doesn't make
any sense to me. Um people have thrown out the Bears.
I think that's a long shot because I think that

(01:01:10):
would be Ryan Pace having to acknowledge I made a
giant mistake. Yeah, and and yeah, it doesn't seem like
that would be his type of offense either. I mean,
if you move to if you the charges things interesting
because of his home in l A that he's got,
Like there's like that's what people try to look at
connections and I think Las Vegas. Honestly, Jonas, if Philip

(01:01:32):
Rivers is driving two hours in traffic to commute, maybe
Tom Brady can figure out some sort of travel to
go to l A. If they were to play in Vegas,
and then you know what, after the game on Sunday
as Mondays and Tuesday's off reports back and then goes
like those are the those are the types of things
that I actually think you have to look at. Of course,
you know, when you're trying to decide where if he

(01:01:53):
were to leave New England and what would be you know,
best for him? No state tax in Nevada, so whatever
he gets paid is going to in the end be
more than what somebody else could offer him outside of
a few states around the National Football League. I just
think if we can all agree that Tom Brady his
approach to this portion of his career, based on all

(01:02:14):
the stuff that he's doing social media wise and with
this TV twelve company, that he also has interest outside
of football, and he's at least planning that portion of
his life for when the game ends, because he's built
momentum throughout the past several years. If we all agree
on that, Vegas is one of the places where you
can get that done. Like you can go there and look,
you want a casino count to thirty and they'll have

(01:02:36):
one built like they that is a place where they
get things done. And if you want to grow your
brand in your business, that's a perfect place to go to.
I mean, how many how many UH singers and entertainers
take up a residency in Vegas and just make a killing.
I mean Celine Diond did it for years, Wayne Newton
has done it since like the nineteen twenties. I mean, like,

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it is a place to go to where you can
have success. And I think if you're Las Vegas, because
in order for all of this to happen, one of
the aspects of it is Derek Carr with the Raiders.
I have not felt, even when he was playing well
earlier this year, that Derek Carr was ever a John
Gruden guy. I've never gotten that vibe, and it feels

(01:03:17):
like Raider fans have turned on him. And it feels
like over the past several weeks that John Gruden has
been more public about his criticisms of of Derek Carr,
which coming from John Gruden, who I don't think it's
ever criticized a quarterback publicly, that's a telling sign. I
think there's a couple of things with that. Number One,
it's Derek carr ceiling. Maybe realized like it. They may

(01:03:40):
like Derek Carr. Derek Carr may have played well early
on in the season, but if Mike Mayack and specifically
John Gruden, thinks that Car is near his ceiling, then
it really doesn't matter what he does because they think
that he can only get so far. Number two is
with Car not challenging downfield. It's the one one of

(01:04:01):
the things why I wonder team wise if it would fit,
because I'm not sure how much Brady wants to challenge downfield,
but it doesn't seem like that is a strong suit
of Derek Carr that maybe they do want a quarterback
that would challenge a team vertically. It's actually why I
think Jamis Winston is in play for the Raiders, depending
how the Buccaneers end up handling him this offseason. Franchise

(01:04:24):
tag probably not, but if they do place the transition
tag on him, the Raiders have enough draft capital to
swing a deal where you'd still have a young quarterback who,
by the way, is no qualms with throwing it anywhere
on the football field. It's gonna guy. What do you mean?
I mean? So that is something that I think that
you could see where you know, John Gridden would see

(01:04:45):
a young quarterback who is aggressive, he does like to
attack that that would be the type of guy that
maybe could play in Las Vegas if, of course, Derek
Carr leaves and Tom Brady doesn't become an option. I
actually think I think Jamis Winston is safe in Tampa.
Of a, I think they're gonna roll with Jamis Winston
um how long of a deal, transition, franchise, whatever, But

(01:05:05):
I do think he's safe there. Because I think they
look at him and they realize, all, right, first year
working with Bruce Arians he did get better and better
throughout the course of the season, and it's it's the
biggest tease because you see all the interceptions and all
that stuff, and then sometimes he comes out like he
did against Detroit and you're like, good God, this guy's talented.
And that was without his best too wide receivers, like

(01:05:27):
like all of a sudden, he's going up and down
the field with Breshad Perriman and and Scottie Miller and
some of these guys. So he's such a tease that
I think Tampa Bay is going to be seduced and
at least one more year with him, and then after that,
who knows. The franchise tag seems to be the obvious,
but then there are some that just aren't willing to
pay him million dollars for the one season just to

(01:05:49):
get another look. If I think that Javis has actually
been consistent throughout his career, he'll throw, He'll throw a
bunch of yards. Yeah, he's gonna throw a bunch of
picks as well, And it just hasn't changed the numbers
of four fifty and back to back weeks were pretty absurd,
But if you would look at you know, his history,
it hasn't been that different. It's it They've got a

(01:06:11):
decision to make, and I think that if they make
the certain decision, he could be in play for the Raiders,
Dan Buyer, Jonas Knox in for Doug Gottlieb. Here on
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happen in the next decade in the world of sports.
Find out how next. Here on fs are for all

(01:06:33):
the latest though, it is Ralph Irvan. Well, thank you
very much, guys, and we'll start in the NBA where
the Dallas Mavericks. We'll get Luca don Chech back on
the floor tonight. He's missed the last five games of
the sprained ankle. Tonight they do play the San Antonio Spurs,
and after losing to the Clippers Wednesday night, the Lakers
maybe without Lebron James this weekend. They play in Portland's

(01:06:54):
Saturday and at home against Dallas on Sunday. James reportedly
reag evaded his groin injury in a can in a
collision with Patrick Beverley in the game. Again Wednesday night
in the NFL, Jarvis Landry confirmed he will visit a
hip specialist after Sunday's season finale. That said, Landry will
play for the Browns this weekend in their season finale

(01:07:17):
against Cincinnati. Josh Jacobs hoping to play in the regular
season finale against Denver. That's after he underwent surgery on
Wednesday night of the season ending variety. Though it was
for a skin infection on his leg, he woke up
Wednesday with discomfort in that leg and surgery ended up
being the option. Dak Prescott did not throw today at

(01:07:39):
Cowboy's practice. He did take part in team walk through
an individual drills, and the team is hoping that he
will still be at quarterback when they play at Washington
on Sunday. Of course, the Cowboys still with a shot
for that. NFC Eastern Division Crown University of Washington quarterback
Jacob Eeson his foregoing his remaining college eligibility and entering
the T and FL Draft. Now send it back to

(01:08:02):
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very much, Ralph, He's Jonahs Knocks. I'm Dan Buyer. You're
you're talking to an engaged guy and a married guy.
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(01:08:25):
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(01:08:49):
to a decade. So what better time? Maybe over today
and tomorrow we start to look ahead. Do some I
don't know predictions for the next decade, some things in
sports that we think happened over I don't know. From
nine you ready to dive in, ok Let's let's dive in.
You're ready for this Pack sixteen title game? Oklahoma beats

(01:09:14):
Oregon yeah, there, it is there. It is okay, So
all right to you think the conference re alignment has happened,
I think that we are going to see it. I
think that Oklahoma ends up somehow in a Pack sixteen
sort of scenario. So for the two schools that were
rivals in bowl games for for a couple of seasons,

(01:09:37):
in Oklahoma and Oregon playing in regular season at regular
season series as well, it's kind of a bit of
a rivalry that isn't really known because they don't play
every year, but there's been enough there where Oklahoma and
Oregon kind of go, you know, go at it. So
I think that you could see the Pack sixteen North
winner Oregon taking on the Pack sixteen South winner Oklahoma

(01:10:00):
in them playing in the Pack sixteen times. And and
plus you were specific. I'm not years specific on mine.
I'm just calling my shot on what I believe will
happen the next ten years. All right, So the next decade, Dan,
I believe Tom Brady will retire. Oh d I'm telling you,
I got I got a feeling he is going to
retire over the next decade at some point. Yeah, or

(01:10:23):
and you don't want to be more specific, I think
it's going to happen between two thousand twenty and two
thousand twenty four. Interest will retire that he's gone. That
would give him a lot of time. Then if you're
retired in four to watch Vladimir Guerrero Jr. With the
Toronto Blue Jays become the first on one hundred players,

(01:10:45):
Because it's going to happen in the first player to
ever hit one hundred home runs and strike out a
hundred times. Strikeouts not a big deal, but to be
to hit triple digits in home runs, I can I
can actually see Tom Brady at the new and revitalized
sky Dome in watching him and he hit that run

(01:11:09):
off of some picture from the Texas Rangers. And now
do you think that he would have a better chance
at that record if he, like his dad, wore no
batting gloves. I think that's a good, good question. Um,
it's always better with no gloves, I think, yeah, yeah, one,

(01:11:30):
one hundred Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Alright, here's one Dan. I
know this has been floated around. People have wanted it,
especially owners. I think in the next ten years there
will be no change to the NFL schedule, No seventeen game.
They will not make a change. I think I think
this is all a bargaining ploy, and I think they

(01:11:52):
realize that there's no shot in hell that the players
are going to agree to an extra game during the season,
no seventeenth game at all in this next You know,
it's funny because my crystal ball that I look ahead
to the next decade must be on the same frequency
that yours is on, because I have the seven Titans
going nine and seven. Okay, you know what there's that's

(01:12:15):
not ten and seven, not nine and eight. When are
the Titans not gone nine and seven? So in seven,
the Tennessee Titans will go nine and seven. That's what
I That's what I foresee for the next decade in
the NFL. In the next five years, meaning from twenty five.

(01:12:37):
At some point in the next five years, I think
marijuana will be legalized in all sports. Really, yes, I
think all sports are going to make marijuana legal. I
think we're starting to outgrow the stigma. It's like prohibition
back in the day when it came to booze. I
mean now, I mean, pick pick a commercial break. There's
some guy walking down down the street with a forty
ounce or or a tall Boy bud light Like, I

(01:12:59):
think all sports are going to be open minded, uh,
and they're going to realize it's safer for these guys
to use cannabis or marijuana. And they're going to take
away the stigma that will happen between twenty and I
can see at Yankee Stadium, get your guns, get your
joints right here. Who wants to say, zack there? Oh

(01:13:25):
there is? We'll take two two down here. I tell
players are gonna be on it, man. Players are gonna
be smoking weed in the dugout stand. I can see
it right you Ready for my final prediction of the
next decade, well more tomorrow as well. NBA Finals, the
Mexico City SuperSonics beat the Boston Celtics. Not only does

(01:13:50):
Mexico City get a team, they steal the nickname from
Seattle and end up beating the Boston Celtics and winning
the NBA. I mean, could you imagine if Seattle lost
a team to Oklahoma City and then to Mexico City.
I mean, you talk about two else they're like, there's
nothing worse than oh Man, And there's Sean Camp and

(01:14:13):
Gary Payton toward side by the way that series they
win in uh, the final decisive game, Okay, best often
in the NBA, because let's squeeze as much out of
this orange as we can. Absolutely, and that's also the
fifth series of for each of those teams, they get

(01:14:35):
as much of the playoff dollar as you can espn UM.
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We are sitting in for Dug today, but Doug was
busy working on The Herd earlier today, and we'll hear
from him in a segment we like to call all
right and a first ballot Hall of Famer is the
topic of conversation as Doug was filling in for Colin

(01:15:41):
Coward on The Herd on FS one and Fox Sports Radio.
Blind man can see that he's not the same, and
a smart man would have told him, Hey, did you
won the Super Bowl last year? You should have walked then, right,
all the signs are there, like all the signs whatever
the reality is of the offense, Because the reality is
they've tried to put wide receivers around him and the

(01:16:02):
day Brady couldn't possibly be happy with the supporting cast,
which of course only exasperates his own limitations at this
stage in his career. I'm not saying he's Peyton Manning.
People forget Peyton Manning. It wasn't just bad in the
Super Bowl, it was bad all year. Nine touchdowns, seventeen receptions.
Brock Oswaylder replaced him like Brock Osweylder instead of Peyton's hurt,

(01:16:25):
he was terrible. Brady's gonna be really really careful because
when it goes, it can go in a hurry and
it can get really really ugly. But there's a there's
an expression in boxing which is and I'm a butcher it.
If you're a boxing guy, feel for you can tweet
at me at godleep show, which is basically like no
fighter walks out of his last fight, right, they all
get carried out. They just don't. And that's the last

(01:16:46):
thing you want to have happened to Tom Brady. Did
he get that phrase? Or close enough? I I got
the point, Yeah, close enough, Like nobody, nobody retires on
their own. The sport retires them. Like that's that's sort
of sort of where we're at. And and and I
get why people look at Tom Brady and he has

(01:17:07):
obviously not played he's shown his age at times. But
I also think what's happening in New England, for as
much as we want to talk about Tom Brady's age
and that offense is a mess. And and they've tried
to add pieces, They've dealt with injuries on the offensive line,
they've dealt with inconsistent play and injuries at running back.
We all know the wide receiver story. There's been no

(01:17:28):
replacement for Rob Gronkowski. I mean, I I think it's
more than just Brady's age. That's the issue of New England.
I see, and I wouldn't even look at at this,
and I think that you're right, And I think what
you have is you have a bunch of different events happening,
Like I do you think that Tom Brady, Well, we
know he's on the downside of his career, there's no
doubt about that. But the argument of lack of weapons

(01:17:53):
is a perfect excuse to also say, well, that's the
reason why I haven't been able to do what I
what I should be doing or think I can be doing.
And when you look at it tangibly, as you said,
you don't replace Rob Gronkowski, you give up on Josh Gordon.
Antonio Brown was only there a week. All those things
you said, Yeah, if Tom Brady would have Antonio Brown,
I don't know if Tom Brady can chuck it up

(01:18:14):
and down the field like like he once can and
honestly in the way that they win games. And Peyton
Manning was brought up in Peyton Manning and what happened
at the end of his career. The Broncos were so
good defensively that it obviously covered up for for Peyton
Mannings but the mistakes. But that's what the Patriots, and

(01:18:34):
they are a defensive team right now. They're hanging their
hat on defense they did last year as well, So Jones,
you don't even need Tom Brady to have all of
those weapons and to do all of those things. So
I think some of the some of the the the
Brady gripes or the things that we hear about him
not having enough actually aren't true because he doesn't need

(01:18:55):
to have everything because that's not the type of team
that they are. Yeah, and I also think that if
you if you want to make comparisons, you could go
back to John Elway towards the end of his career
to where it was more of a you know, run
first team and John Elway missed time there. You could
go back to, as Doug pointed out, Peyton Manning at
the end of his career. If we can all agree

(01:19:17):
that Tom Brady absolutely is slowing down on the downside
of his career, I think we can all agree that
well as long as he doesn't make the catastrophic mistake,
they could still win. I mean they could they could
still win. I mean, for all this talk there, twelve
and three right, still twelve and three, gonna get a
by and gonna get a home game, and who knows

(01:19:38):
what happens in you know between Baltimore, New England still
has an outside shot of having home field if Baltimore
slips up before they get there. And we all saw
Lamar Jackson in the postseason last year. You know, Doug's
warning is is connected with Peyton Manning as well as
it was that season, and if it is this season
for Tom Brady, things aren't going to get better. And

(01:20:00):
that's that's just the issue of even if you stick around,
if you are Tom Brady, and we just talked about
possible destinations a little earlier of where he can go.
I don't think his game changes. I think his game
is what it is and there's not gonna be throwing
at forty and fifty yards down field, and that's just

(01:20:20):
that's what you have to come to terms with. So
it was nice to have Gronk last year and those
one on one situations against Kansas City in the a
F C Championship game, But realistically, how much of a
threat was he going to be down the field. I
just I don't think that that's there anymoing. Look in
the in the biggest games at Kansas City and in
the Super Bowl. Gronk played well in that big game
in the a f C Title Game, and Julian Edelman

(01:20:42):
on three straight third downs, uh third and longs was
able to convert. But man, Julian Edelman's banged up this year.
Gronk majority of last year was banged up and not
even close to the same player, and he made a
big play in the Super Bowl, so he was available
to give you a big play every so off. And
I I just think that this idea that just because

(01:21:04):
Tom Brady is starting to slow down and fall apart,
it means the Patriots in general are gonna fall apart.
I just think they need to adjust to the idea
of Tom Brady. This isn't two years ago. We're in
the Super Bowl. Brady through for five yards and was
the best quarterback on the field, even over Nick Foles
who won m v P. But they lost because they
didn't have the defense. Yeah, it's it's a different story.

(01:21:25):
What a difference two years makes when it comes to one.
Tom Brady, Uh, you mentioned Julian Edelman. Yeah, if you
even if you came back next year, there's no guarantee
that Julian Edelman would be there to save your But
he's banged up, man Like, he's really really banged up,
and it's been a worse, a worse injury than a
lot of people have led on. I always thought Bill
Belichick would like retire after an eight and eight season.

(01:21:48):
If Tom Brady has the opportunity to go on top
this year, maybe now is the time to take care
of that opportunity. I mean, so you want them both
to retire, that's just such a nat Oh no, I
think I think Belichick just retires randomly, Like it's just
a random it's not running off into the sunset. It's
not a crushing loss. I think it's just all of
a sudden, Wow, this is done. You don't you don't

(01:22:09):
think he like strips down nude and stands at the
fifty yard line and pulls his arms up like Jesus
leaves his leaves his hoodie. This is and that's the
go out, walking off of the farmers stand, be sure
to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show
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Sports Radio and the Heart Radio a app. Welcome in everybody.

(01:22:37):
It day is the day after Christmas. I'm going home.
I actually I didn't get a get a toy Jonas,
but I got one of those hover helmets. You ever
see those things? Now? What is that? It's a it's
a mini football helmet and it's a Seahawks helmet and
it's between two magnets, but it just hovers so there's
nothing and it just spins around. Yeah, just a little thing.

(01:22:59):
So I got that as uh, one of the Christmas
gifts from my wife last night. So when I go home,
the hover helmet will be going and then it just
spins around in mid air. It is. Yeah, it's it's
pretty amazing. Hold on a second, when did those start
coming into existing? I saw them last year and I

(01:23:19):
do make a list because it really does help the
people who are buying presents. So it really helps my
wife who's buying presence. And I put that on a list,
didn't get it last year, put it again on this year,
and this year it came through. And so last night
was able to set it up, and sure enough, it's
got some l e ed lights that shine like inside,

(01:23:41):
like shine up inside the helmet, and then it just
spins around and goes around and around and around. Now,
is it the old school two bar steve helmet. No,
Unfortunately they don't do the throwbacks, and the helmet obviously
has to have a magnetic piece in it, so it
just doesn't take any helmet. But it is a It

(01:24:02):
is the new Seahawks helmet that spins around and around.
Maybe I'll take a video of it to bed and
then we'll show it to you tomorrow. Yeah, because I
don't I don't make any sort of a list. If
people know me well enough, they know it to get me.
If not, they can go screw themselves. That's why I
got it. The list saves a lot of a lot
of awkwardness with of Okay, this was close to what

(01:24:24):
I wanted, you know, but let's let's just take it
back and get what actually was intended and then everybody
will be happy, so that the list ends up taking
away headaches that could possibly And by the way, I
think we should all rejoice our national nightmares over. We
no longer have to be inundated with family pictures of
from our family to yours, Merry Christmas. Hey, look we're

(01:24:48):
all in pgs together. Oh we're all dressed matching the same. Man,
Put your phone down and go enjoy Christmas. I don't
give a rip about your family. Tired of it? Man?
Do you like the ones that are in advance or
do you just like do do those bother you more
like someone in maybe I don't know, October or September
is like, we've got to do one for the Christmas card?

(01:25:08):
Is it just the Christmas date tweets? It's the Christmas
Day tweets? Because first of all, I would love a
behind the scenes as to how many takes that was,
because I can assure you nobody just post it and
said all right, I'm good with that. It was woo
wait wit more wo no, no, hold on, hold on,
hold on. The lighting was bad. Now, this is all

(01:25:29):
about production. It's all about look at my family, my
family's is did ever cur to you that maybe somebody
else's family isn't as fortunate as your family? So when
you post those it makes them feel like even worse
about their current situation. He's selfish bastards. I will say,
the card ones, I don't mind, because it's like, here's
an update, here's us as a family. You get it

(01:25:51):
in the mail, it's merry Christmas. If it's if it's
a professional photo shoot, I'm even fine with that. Maybe
you want a yearly picture of your family because you
want to keep those moments. So I don't have a
problem with those, the ones that you get in the
in the mail. I it's nice. Oh, okay, that's what
they've done this year. That's awesome. Maybe the Christmas Day
ones are just the ones that really just get under year.

(01:26:13):
I told a buddy of mine, I was actually the
best man at his wedding. Him and his wife. We're
all really good friends, and so I'm always the third
wheel hanging out with him, have been for years. They've
got two little girls. He sent me a couple of
years ago, sent me a family photo for Christmas. I
called him up and I said, uh, don't ever do
that again. He's all, why, I'm all, if I want

(01:26:34):
to know how you guys are doing, I'll text you
like I do every other day. Okay, I don't need
a car to be sent out to me, so you
can brag about how good after they got it touched off.
Come on's that you know? Sharon the love spreading it.
Jonas knocks Prints of Darkness. If you've got a problem
that you can get me on Twitter at Dan Buyer
on Fox. Come on, bring it, bring it next year.

(01:26:56):
I'll send you a Christmas card just me. Theos Anger
put that up the mantel. Oh man, Uh, Christmas Day
yesterday was good. Got the helmet. Uh. The bad part
was watching the Bucks get it taken to him by
the Philadelphia What Clippers, Lakers did provide some entertainment they did,

(01:27:17):
and you know who else is probably a feeling good
every time the Clippers go out and outperform the Lakers.
Load management truthers, Yeah, the l m t s, the
load management truthers who swear by load management even in
the face of all the criticism they get from people
who say it's not fair for the fans. What about
the fans? What about him? Uh? If your parents can

(01:27:39):
afford those kind of tickets, they can probably afford a
second fair So so the the load management truthers out
there now look at two examples, although one was at
the start of the season. They look at now this
latest example of Lakers Clippers, and they go, that's exactly
why you pick and choose your battles during this NBA schedule,

(01:28:00):
because Kawhi Leonard went out there and look like the
best player on the floor in a game where he's
been told all year long he's not doing it the
right way because he's taking games off. I find that
in an extreme double standard of just of of those
who are against load management, just for the simple fact
of this Jonas, if let's use let's use James harden

(01:28:25):
As as an example at you know, let's just let's
use Kawhi Leonar. Let's use Quie Leonard because he is
the load management guy. If Kawhi Leonard goes out and
plays eighty two games and it is just then spent
in the playoffs, carrying the Clippers throughout the regular season,
and they flame out in the Western Conference final or semifinals,
losing four games to one to the Houston Rockets, what

(01:28:48):
do we say, like, man, why in the world did
you use Kawaid Leonard that much in the regular season?
And then we rip on his legacy and say that
he can't get to an NBA finals outside of you know,
what he did with the Spurs and Raptors, or is
the past, all of the different excuses that you can have.
So it's so it's it's such a double standard for

(01:29:09):
everybody who wants every NBA player to play every game
and then perform at the level that then we would
use that against them in the playoffs. It's it's not fair.
And I hear the well, Jordan never missed, you know,
any any games. First of all, they also were playing
the first rounds were a little bit shorter, and I
know it's it's not two games that they ended up

(01:29:30):
adding and you're sweeping, and maybe three games instead of four.
But I just I don't find that. I don't find
that now. I don't think that we had those sort
of comparisons even back in the day. I think it
actually started after Jordan's got six and now we're like, whoa,
and they're gonna be able to match that. You can't
have it both ways. You can't sit here and every
time a conversation comes up about who's the greatest, it's

(01:29:51):
all about who's one of the most titles. And then
also get on the same players that you criticize publicly,
who are taking the approach to win titles that have
deemed the most important thing, and then you criticize them
because they're taking the approach to go do that, Like
how does that work? Like like we're telling these guys
your legacies are determined on what you do in May

(01:30:11):
and June, So then why are we busting their balls
when they do something in November like that? That doesn't
add up to me. I always felt going into this
season that the regular season was more important to the Lakers.
I always felt like they were going to come out
hair on fire to try and show everybody we are
back where the Lakers. There's new buzz in the building.

(01:30:32):
We've got Lebron James, we've got Anthony Davis. We are
back and we're ready to roll. And I always felt
like the Clippers, in making the decision to bring in
Paul George, who was coming off of surgery in the
off season and Kawuhi Leonard, who used load management last
year to get into the postseason, also dealing with an
injury to win a title, that the Clippers were going

(01:30:52):
to take the long approach. They were gonna look at
take that approach and say we're worried about May and June,
not the regular season, And so when Laker fans come
out or people in the media criticize the Clippers approach,
I just want to know where you're gonna be at
in May and June when it works, because if it
works in May and June, I don't want to hear
you backtrack, I want to I want to hear you
say I was wrong. Well, the good thing is is

(01:31:14):
that Anthony Davis doesn't have a history of injuries and
that they will be able to last in Marching. Yeah,
they've been called the cal Ripken of the NBA. Is realistically,
you know, and I think that they're lost without Lebron.
Actually is has played a little bit of a role
in this, because then when Lebron didn't play against the

(01:31:35):
the Nuggets, it was like, oh, okay, so this is
this is us without Lebron James, and you can maybe
navigate stuff with with Anthony Davis being out and Lebron
being in there, and I think there's a bit of
a wake up call. And now the Lakers are gonna
have to figure out away. And they are the top
the Western Conference, but they aren't the best team in
the Western Conference. And I'm sorry if you're the Lakers

(01:31:55):
and you want to knock off the Clippers, which now
you will have to do in the playoffs because if
they complete have your number for the entire year, whether
with the regular season and the postseason, you need those
two guys to be there in the playoffs to have
an opportunity to maybe change this narrative that has started
for the first two months of the season. The Lakers
are at a bit of a tricky spot when it

(01:32:16):
comes to that. All that I've heard is that, well,
Kyle Kuzma. We can't trade Kyle Kuzma. He's the guy. Okay,
Uh yeah, they listen. We got Anthony Davis, Yes you do,
Lebron James King James, and he's gonna be rested and
totally motivated. Yea, God, we need another wing. We gotta

(01:32:37):
have this. Uh you know, we gotta have a guy
that does this. We need another three ind guy. We
gotta like, I mean, could you imagine acquiring Anthony Davis
in his prime in the off season, convincing yourself that
you kept the right guy of your young nucleus that
you were trying to build around, and this many games
into the season, then saying now we to have more.

(01:33:00):
We got to have more. At some point, you can't
really do anymore. And the reality is the reality that
maybe you're just not as good as them, and you
need to hope that they trip up before they get
there so you don't have to face him in the postseason.
Not not you almost you're like, what, we both have
to get the one in two seed because if you're
the Lakers, you don't want to face them in the
Western Conference. Semi. Finally, remember you and I talked about this.

(01:33:23):
We were on the air working together and it was
after the NBA trade deadline, and I remember having this
conversation because people criticized Danny Ainge in the Boston Celtics
because they didn't go out and swing a trade to
try and get Paul George, and you and I went
on the air and said that still wouldn't be enough.
So why would they do it? Like, why why would

(01:33:45):
you trade away all these assets if you still in
adding Paul George? It's not gonna be enough because if
you do get through the Eastern Conference, you're not beating
Golden State, So so what are you doing? Just making
moves to make moves? It didn't make any sense. And
at some point, I think maybe Laker fans and people
to cover the team have to acknowledge at some point

(01:34:06):
you have to just roll with what you got because
when you start chasing the way that they're chasing, I mean,
when Lebron does decide he's out, or if Anthony Davis
does come into some injury issues, I mean, what kind
of team is going to be left there? And I
know you worry about the now, but I just don't
know that there's an easy fix out there that's going
to close the gap between you and the Clippers. Again,

(01:34:27):
if we were we mentioned this at the top, if
you had a draft to take Paul, George Kawhi, Leonard,
Anthony Davis, and then Lebron James out of the equation, uh,
maybe you go Kyle Kuzma maybe the first pick of
the guy that you would take, Lou Williams, the second,
Mantras Harold the third, Patrick Beverley, the fourth, Landry sham
At the fifth, all of those guys being taking before

(01:34:49):
you would take any member of the Los Angeles Lakers.
So that also then tells you the amount that is
on the shoulders of those three guys because of because
of what else the Lakers have in their roster, and
I don't think that there's another player that will become
available prior to the trade deadline coming up in two
months that the Lakers could acquire to put them at

(01:35:10):
the level of or a a release, you know of
an Andrea Like that doesn't it doesn't close the gap.
You actually are where you are right now if you're
the if you're the Lakers, and do they have the
draft capital because didn't they give away first round picks
to New Orleans? If I'm not mistaken, yeah, yeah, off
the top of my head, I can't remember dad what
it was. But but so then, so then who on

(01:35:30):
that roster are they going to give up? And somebody's
gonna go, oh, thank God, yes, please take our star,
Alex Caruso. I mean, if you did that same draft,
and I swear to god, there's like people listening would
take Michael Cage over Alex Caruson right now least. I mean, yeah,
Michael Cage, man, rebounding machine. What didn't you play for

(01:35:50):
the Sonics? To Michael Cage, yeah, well, you know, we
started talking about load management. I remember going to a game,
a baseball game where Ken Griffy Jr. Took off a
Sunday because it was an afternoon game travel day, playing
like the you know, the night before, and I remember
being devastated about it, of being like, jeez, we go

(01:36:12):
to that, we get to go to a Brewers game
to watch Ken Gravy Jr. And he's not even in
the lineup that day. You know what the Mariners did,
put him in the pinch hit. You know what, we
got to see Ken Griffey Jr. You know what, maybe
if you have, you know, such a problem with load management,
go and shoot a free throw on them. Leave you
know there there could be just the talk of load
management isn't just prone to them. It's getaway days in

(01:36:34):
Major League Baseball. It's you know, the stuff has happened before,
so it's not just an NBA. And I think if
you really want to be cruel about it, if you
if you're load managing, not only do you bring the
guy out to sit on the bench and tease the
fans with his appearance, but you make him wear a
disguise so they can't even see what his face looks
like like. So they show up there wanting to see

(01:36:56):
Lebron James and he's got a disguise on. Not only
do you not get to see him play, you don't
even get to see his face while he's wearing asked bench.
So it's a little lucha libre there. Then I like
mass Singer, So really I'm just saying, like the comparisons.
That's why I said, That's why I said, the masked

(01:37:18):
bench warmer, who's the who's the corn on the cob
like the hat on Saturday? His name is Sam very
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(01:37:41):
Dan Buyer Jonas knoxon for Doug gott leep Here on
Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next there is Dan is
very bothered by something. Uh, somebody in the NFL pissed
Dan off, and the more he thinks about it, the
more aggravated he gets. And this person happens to be
a future Hall of Famer. So we'll get that next
for you here right here on Fox Sports radeing. Be
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(01:38:03):
Show weekdays at three p m. Easter Noon Pacific. Doug
gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Buyer,
He's Jonas Knoxes. We're sitting in for a Doug today,
getting ready for Week seventeen of the NFL season was
a heavy Bowl schedule on the Horizon, playoff games coming
up on Saturday, and then the NBA. The NBA season,

(01:38:25):
according to uh To some including Jonas, should have started yesterday,
but also getting the recap in from what happened on Christmas.
But there was something else that happened on Christmas. Instead
of five NBA games yesterday, Jonas, we found out that
the one, the only Ben Roethlisberger will be back for

(01:38:47):
that is that is what we found out because Big
Ben was able to tweet a picture of he and
his wife and their children and dogs and their pj's
in front of the Christmas tree, saying, you know, in
and this happened. When Mama tells you to put the
matching pjs on, you put them on, even the dogs.
Merry Christmas and and and other stuff. He then immediately

(01:39:09):
after that wrote PS, contrary to recent reports out there
about my football future and my quote uncertainty about playing again,
I am working hard and more determined than ever to
come back stronger and better than ever next year. So
that from Ben Roethlisberger, who always loves to take the

(01:39:31):
time to make sure that he can get the recognition
that he deserves. What do you mean, I don't understand. Well,
you know, as the team is, the team is close
to being eliminated from the playoffs. Say there there is
a chance they need to need some out from the
Houston Texans and they have to beat the Baltimore Ravens.
But Pittsburgh Steelers could be missing the playoffs. Has Ben

(01:39:51):
Roethlisberger missed the whole year? But what this does is
this tells the fan base, Hey, don't worry, I'm gonna
be back. Yeah, I'm gonna be back. And he's also
he's also doing this on the heels of Chris Mortenson's
report that first said that there was some uncertainty whether
Ben Roethlisberger would play in but then was completely retracted

(01:40:15):
and saying no, that's not the case. So the retraction
was made, but Big Ben still had to come out
with the ps and then used the uncertainty to kind
of use the it's us the Steelers against the media
sort of angle to say like, don't worry, I'll be back. Well, now,
let me this is the most important part of all this.
Are you blocked by Ben Roethlisberger on Twitter? I am not,

(01:40:38):
so I can actually see his tweets that he ended
up he ended up tweeting. He also, which I thought
was neat, ended up tweeting the Pittsburgh Steelers twenty one
hours ago of saying that their opponents are set for
next year, like, hey, this is who I'm ready to
take on, So I'm going to be back. Here's here's

(01:40:59):
the thing. He's got even more leverage over the Pittsburgh
Steelers organization than he did before, because this isn't like
a Drew Brees thing to where Drew Brees went down
with an injury. Teddy Bridgewater came in and they went undefeated,
and you're thinking, so that's what the future could look like.
Not bad. Uh. Since he went down, they replaced him

(01:41:21):
with Mason Rudolph and Duck Hodges and their offense is dreadful.
It is awful, and the only thing keeping him in
games is the defense. And I think Ben Roethlisberger got
a little extra boost to the ego and said you
know what, now, you guys get it. This is what
life without me really is. Like, don't worry, I'll be
back next year to save the day. He's got all

(01:41:42):
the control here. Well, this is this is he loves
the moment. I also think, you know, and you said
it there, that he wants his he likes his teammates,
at least I would hope that he does. Maybe it's
not the worst thing in the world if they stink,
you know, like like it's it's better business for number
seven than you know, to to have that sort of situation.

(01:42:05):
But I also think, and it's something within what you
said that after I read this kind of started to
bother me just even a little bit more about the conversations.
And it is because the team is on the horizon
of maybe making the playoffs. And it's what you said
about the defense. And we had in in a game

(01:42:27):
that we played earlier. Ralph Irvan gave us a guest
who was the Steelers m v P of of this
season and last year. Remember it was such a big
deal because it was Juju Smith Schuster. Antonio Brown was mad.
I don't know if Ben Roethlisberger had his own deal
with it. But it was a big deal of who
the Steelers m v P was. So now it's t
J Watt and it's that defense and to meet Jonas.
What got me more bothered by it was, how about

(01:42:50):
letting that defense have their do how about letting Mike
Tomlin continue to get the praise that he's gotten two
allow the Steelers to still have the possibility of making
the postseason. Yeah, you lose to the Jets, but that
defense and that coaching staff are the only reason that
you're still there. So Ben tweeting this in week sixteen,

(01:43:10):
or doing it on Christmas, or following up on these
reports all could have been stuff he did after Week
seventeen if they were eliminated or if they made the playoffs.
It allows the team to be like or the fans
and everyone else to say, great job defense, great job
Mike Tomlin. You guys actually made it to the playoffs
without your quarterback. I think Ben looks at it if
they were to make the postseason and saying, well, they

(01:43:32):
made it with help me. You know, wait a second.
So so that's why the timing of it, and on
the surface that was like, oh, this is just Ben
wanting attention and then more and more, I'm like, man,
you're just taking the shine off of what is happening
to your defense and what is happening to Mike Tomlin,
because you want to make sure that everybody remembers that
you're Ben roethlisbrogram. That's the issue that I have, well,

(01:43:52):
and it's a natural thing. I think people do it
more often than we all want to acknowledge to where
like nobody wants to here. When you're the one guy
out of a group with guys that can't go out
one night, you're hoping when you get reports the next
day that they say, god, it was so boring. I mean,
he didn't miss much, but when they come back and
tell you, dude, you totally missed out, it was the greatest,
Like you feel like craft because it's like, oh, man,

(01:44:13):
like so Ben Roethlisberger doesn't want this playoff magic to
be there without him, to your point, and so I think, yeah,
he is. He is a little bit concerned about all
of that. Also, I think the Steelers already made their
mind up that they were rolling with Ben Roethlisberger next year,
and regardless when they traded away that first round pick
for makea Fitzpatrick. I think that was the Steeler saying, yeah,

(01:44:34):
we're not gonna roll the dice on a quarterback in
the draft. Were we traded that away. We're gonna roll
with Ben. We realized what we have in our backup
plan and it's nothing we can go long term with.
And that's when the decision was made. And they traded
Josh Dobbs at the start of the season as well.
So I mean, so maybe you're like, Okay, you know,
if Mason Rudolph is going to be our backup, well,
now you have a really good idea of what Mason

(01:44:54):
Rudolph actually is. Yeah, Ben's not. Ben's not challenged at all.
His elbow is fine. Hecky is gonna have a full
almost year to really recover from it. So we should
be fine. Everything that was said and done, and I
know it was. It was even the contrary to reports
like Chris Mortenson completely I don't want to say backtrack
because but retracted his earlier tweet and gave a clarification

(01:45:18):
about it. Then Adam Schefter came out with his own
information to being like, you know, Ben's fine, Ben's gonna
be back, and then he feels the need to do
this on the holiday on Christmas and say contrary to
reports and saying stuff like it's so bend. Just let
you know what, if you get in the playoffs, just
let Mike Tomlin the defense enjoy it. And then if
you come back next year, maybe you're a super Bowl

(01:45:39):
contentment here. But I mean, listen, I think let's not
bury the lead here. Uh you know, I mean you
and I are kind of bragging a little bit here
because we could actually see the tweet, and most people
in the media came not oh man, he retweeted their
opponents like, and I know it's a Steelers tweet, but
it's so of like, this is who I've got on

(01:46:00):
my list. Check Brown's check. By the way, think about
this two years ago. Let's say we're having this conversation
two years ago, and I'm gonna tell you, all right,
which team in the NFL has got the best quarterback,
running back wide receiver combination in the NFL? Who do
you got Steers? Two years later, nobody's there. It's insane,

(01:46:21):
man like like, talk about what a difference less than
two years makes. And that's why Mike Tomlin has gotten
the credit that he's gotten. This year for what he's done,
figuring out a way to win in those sixty minutes,
and they they've gotten it done. May not be enough
to get him into the postseason, but still a job
well done, Dan Buyer, Jonas Knox, and for Doug Gottlieb
here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, coming up next,
we're going to talk about one of the most anticipated

(01:46:44):
debuts in the world of sports. You could wait and
have to wait a little bit longer for that, so
we'll have that for you next year on Fox Sports Radio.
For all the latest from around the world of sports.
It's Ralph Irvan. Well, thank you very much, guys, and
we do start with the NFL, where the news has
turned out to be a little bit better for Raiders fans.
Josh Jacobs had surgery on Christmas Day, but it was

(01:47:06):
for an infection on his leg. He woke up with
discomfort in that leg and had it taken care of.
He does hope to play in their game Sunday at Denver.
Of course, the Raiders still with a shot to sneak
into the postseason if everything goes right for them, including
beating the Broncos on Sunday. Dallas quarterback Dak Prescott did
not throw today, but he did participate in the team's

(01:47:27):
walk through an individual drills. That said, he expects to
play against the Redskins on Sunday. Of course, Dallas again
needs a win to have a shot at winning the
NFC Eastern Division. Crown l s U running back Clyde
Edwards Hilaire skip peach Ball media Day to get treatment
on his injured hamstring. He's still questionable for Saturday's National

(01:47:50):
Championship semi final when they take on the Oklahoma Sooners.
Luka don Chech He's expected to return from his sprained
ankle tonight. He's missed the last five games, and he
and Dallas will take on the San Antonio Spurs. A
side note for donk Well, yeah, he has signed a
multi year deal with the Jordan Brand and Lebron James.

(01:48:12):
After Wednesday's lost to the Clippers, he might be injured
and might be out for a bit, reaggravating his groin
injury this weekend. That the Lakers have a game Saturday
at Portland at home Sunday against Dallas, he could be
out for both of those. Will send it back now
to Dan Buyer. Jonas Knocks Thank you very much, Ralph.

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playing in the late game on the Christmas Day schedule.

(01:48:55):
You thought at the beginning or when the schedule was released,
you would see Zion Williamson going up against the Denver Nuggets.
Of course, there was no Zion. We haven't seen Zion
this year. But Zion did speak with ESPN, telling them
before the game last night that he trust the organization
and their decision making as he tries to come back
from that torn meniscus in his knee that he had

(01:49:16):
surgery on, saying right now he's working his body back slowly,
but still hasn't participated in three on three or even
five on five on O drills, hasn't done any of
that stuff yet, so still a little ways away from
a Zion Williamson return. But this was about where the
timetable was. So it seems like this team is being
very very safe with Zion Williamson. In an all honesty, Jonas,

(01:49:39):
I don't blame them one bit. Yeah, that's fine. Um, Now,
the part he gave a detail that they're basically having
to teach him how to learn how to walk again
and and run the right way, like there was you know,
issues with the form and the pressure was going to
put on it and and you you've got to be
as as careful as possible with him, and we and

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other young players who have come to the league and
dealt with some injuries early on, and you know, Ben
Simmons was one of them. Uh, Blake Griffin was another
one who had the micro fracture surgery if I'm not mistaken,
when he was at at the Summer League and he
was playing really well. So it makes all the sense
in the world that New Orleans looks at this as
a get him back, let's not take any chances, and

(01:50:21):
let's figure this thing out. And it's also why I
think a lot of people looked at all, right, who's
going to make an impact early on in their career?
John morant Or Zion Williamson. And I think John Morant
was the easy answer. He's gonna have the ball in
his hands more, and it felt like he was going
to be better suited for this an NBA game thus far. Well,
I also think people thought that the Pelicans were a
playoff potential team, even with losing Anthony Davis. You're like,

(01:50:45):
maybe of Zion Williamson can be something. I don't think
people looked at them as a nine win team like
they are right now. And no, well, I think people
thought they were interesting. There was you know, you were
adding those pieces, you were adding guys from the La
acres um, you know that that we all thought were
gonna be you know, maybe it's just the Lakers. I mean, look,

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I mean if we if you really want a damning
admission on the time of Magic Johnson's time as as
Laker gm uh, those guys that they all sent to
New Orleans have done nothing like there has been nothing there.
And we can blame Zion all we want. Zion is
not the reason you guys are sitting where you are.
You're just not a very good team the well, you know,

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and and I thought, and when we talk about playoffs,
we're not talking about a top seed. I think that
there was a possibility for them to break in though
maybe seven eight or nine. I thought you had them
winning the titles. You wrote it down that paper. Yeah,
but J. J. Reddick goes there and you're thinking, all right,
all J. J. Reddick is going there. You're thinking that
it's a team that's gonna need shooters that could be

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available in the postseason. It's it's been a bit of
his mL was back with the Sixers a couple of
times like that was that was a possibility. But it's
just completely completely falling apart, and Zion wouldn't improve what
they're doing right now. Even though the West isn't what
it once was. It's the West is more top heavy.

(01:52:09):
I mean in Portland's in the playoffs right now without
a winning record, so it's a little different than what
what you had in years past. Yeah, you have to
play it safe. The part about him learning like to
walk again, like what was his strutt nut rights. You know,
they're calling it like a minor thing like I I
had to tell that kind of like pointed inwards like

(01:52:31):
my right foot kind of was. So I had to
kind of dealt with a hip issue. I don't know
if that's something along the same lines. I'm using my
out of shape or my young issues of trying to
figure out how to walk to compare it to an
extreme athlete like Zion Williamson. But I don't know if
it's something like that or what, but it says the
whole kinetic function of his body would be affected. And also,

(01:52:52):
let's let's be honest here, his his attributes that made
him so interesting and fun to watch at Duke. It
wasn't so much his basketball fundamentals. It was his explosion,
his power, his effort on the defensive level. It wasn't
you know, he had the greatest fundamentals. He had a
perfect shot, he had like so it's not like he

(01:53:12):
was a finished product coming into the league. I think
everybody realized that he was a raw talent, that the
ceiling was so so high form based on what you
saw in college, and so the fact that it is
going to take a little bit of time not only
to see him, but for him to get to where
we think he's going to get, because all of a sudden,
he looked like a monster at the college level. That

(01:53:33):
one summer league game we saw in Vegas where they
were playing the Knicks. He all of a sudden didn't
look like the biggest guy on the floor, like he realized,
is not that big hight wise compared to some of
these guys. I think this is going to take longer
than people realized for him to really make the impact.
I like when I saw at Duke in the moments,
like he seemed like he was there for the moments,

(01:53:54):
whether it be like the blocking, you know, like those
sort of things. I actually out that he's you know,
he's better in like clutch situations that people want to
give him credit for. So I think that those are
things that that are not in every single player. The
question then becomes is Zion Is Zion transcendent enough to

(01:54:17):
be good enough to lead a team with nine wins,
to become that guy without ever like done it before,
which is actually something that Lebron did with the Cavaliers,
were of taking that team to a level without having
that experience. Is he that special of a player? We
don't know if Brandon Ingram is great. We just know
that he can score twenty points per game on a

(01:54:38):
crappy team like that. That like to your point about
the the guys that were traded over as part of that,
of a part of that Anthony Davis deal. It's it's
different playing playoff basketball and having your numbers when you are,
you know, twenty games below five, and it's like, remember
when Jordan Clarkson was great for the Lakers, and it's like, man,

(01:54:58):
Jordan Jordan clark No, Jordan Clarkson is averaging eighteen points
a game because there's nobody else on that team that
can score eighteen points a game. It doesn't mean that
Jordan Clarkson is the guy. That's what I think you
have to find out about the Pelicans. Then you've got
to find out if Zion is going to be the guy.
You're not gonna do that this year. I mean I
would take as much time as possible because there's no
point even if you were to get to the playoffs
you do any damage. But next year is going to

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be the question. That is if he is transcendent enough
to lift the franchise without having any history in the
NBA or any experience in the NBA to do it,
which is really something only someone like Lebron did. Uh
Dan Buyer Jonas knock him for Doug Gottlieb here on
Fox Sports Radio. All Right, coming up next year on
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(01:57:10):
He's Jonas Knox. I'm Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug today.
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l a X one night. It was probably like an
eleven thirty, you know, red eye flight, and there are
a bunch of us, and it's not every gate is

(01:58:12):
busy at night. There's you know, only certain gates, but
you just so you have a group of people maybe
at one gate and a group of people at another. Well.
I'm sitting there by myself and I see Tarall Owens,
Tarrell Owens is you know there, And I'm like, I'm
not gonna go up to t O and say anything
to him. But I did ask him a few months

(01:58:33):
later when I saw him at the Super Bowl and
he was by our said I said, hey, I actually
saw you at an airport, and uh, you're gonna be
you know, on my flight and I thought about, you know,
coming up to you and saying something I go, and
I didn't I go, did I do the right thing?
And he goes, yeah, no not at all, absolutely not. Yeah.
They want to they want to just be uh, get

(01:58:55):
their stuff done. They don't want to stop, they don't
want to have conversations. They don't want to be I
mean the night into all that. Yeah, So I didn't say,
how did Dazz Dillinger? And I did not say hi
to uh to Terrell Owens. I should have gone off
to him and said, okay, popcorn ready for this flight?
I think so I find a better punter on Fox
Sports Radio, Oh man, I chose not to say that,

(01:59:20):
though it's too bad. You want to hear about today's
sports headlines? All right, let's hear him. Let's get to
the press. All right. What is Ralph Irvan got cooking
for US silver at the anchor desk? Well? This tweeted
out by Jane Slater from NFL Network. Dak Prescott was
asked about his thoughts on the possibility this could be
Jason Garrett's last game as the head coach in Tallas

(01:59:43):
and he said, quote, I think it's the last game
on mine as well, So I'll be damned if I
speak on to anyone else's future or their place. End quote.
Of course both have contracts that are expiring after this game. Well,
he's right, yes he is. Deck's gonna be there, and sorry,
it's not gonna it's not gonna fluctuate. Second, if he

(02:00:05):
stinks up against the Eagles again or they don't get
anything done, if they make it to the playoffs, he's
done enough. They're gonna pay him. Jerryus said as much. Yeah,
I don't think he's going anywhere. I think whether it's
the franchise, the transition, whatever they decide to do there,
if they get a deal done, I don't think Dak
Prescott's going anywhere, um it. Although I do like his

(02:00:26):
honesty talking about Jason Garrett, and I'll give Dak Prescott this.
He seems like he handles these press conferences the right way.
There's never really an issue outside of when he spoke
about Tom Brady and tom Brady's contract status and brought
up the Gazl bunch in sald Brady to go along.
I thought that was a little bit overstepping your bounds.
But other than that, I think he's been pretty flawless.

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Next up, we go to Seattle with the Seahawks. Russell
Wilson Media the Media Today says Marshawn Lynch and Robert
Turbin looked like, quote, they're ready to go the whole
game end quote, when asked on how much they might
be able to play Sunday, I know that excites you,
damn well. I just I think I'm really relying on
two guys who were signed this week to play the
whole year. When when you're done to your fifth string

(02:01:09):
running back and you're going to you know, and and
it's a great story and it's neat all, but this
team had Super Bowl aspirations just earlier this month, and
to see how quickly it felt. And it's not just
the running backs, like it was the Penny injury, and
then it's obviously the Carson injury. C J. Process was

(02:01:30):
going to get hurt anyway, so that's not a surprise.
It's the fact you also don't have Dwayne Brown, who's
your left tackle. So the offensive line reverts to the
offensive line that you had before you had Dwayne Brown,
which wasn't good. You've already lost your starting center, like
like those are all the issues, and it's it's such
a feel good story. But I mean, even if they
just even if they beat the forty niners on Sunday night,

(02:01:54):
it's an easier road for them, but it's still a
difficult road to hall. The likely still have to play
wild Card weekend. It is really difficult for I actually
think the most impressive part about Marshawn Lynch and Turbine
being back with the Seahawks is the fact that they,
in order to get the jobs, had to beat out

(02:02:14):
Chris Warren and Sean Alexander, which I thought was really,
if you could get past this, then the NFL get
week seventeen. Isn't that I wanted Walter Jones to come
back and Steve Hutchinson, I mean slew him out there. Dan,
I used to John L. Williams reference the other day
and I got blank Stairs. I know, John L. Williams
is number thirty six, but hey, you know what your

(02:02:37):
your six is my two? Dan, Well, when you both
know the current Warner wasn't just her quarterback for the Rams, Yes,
and we did and we go also uh in Seattle,
Genevian Clowney says that there's no way, I'm not playing
against the forty niners. He hopes to play despite the
core injury. Has been battling. Get a bye week and

(02:02:59):
then he'll more for the rest of the playoffs. They're
gonna need some help to get that bye week, but
they need them. They need them. They didn't stop most
more than getting after Jimmy Garoppolo. By the way, did
you hear that? So they were in the same place, um,
and it was Jadevion Clowney serious, Okay, where's this guy? So?

(02:03:19):
So Jadevian was also in this same place. There was
like an autograph signing UM. And Bryce Harper was there.
And so when they asked him about his status this week,
Bryce Harper chimed in and said, that's a clowney question. Bro,
there it is. How did How did I know that?

(02:03:39):
Right then it started, Oh, because Jonas opened his mouth
and so you knew that's what was coming out. I
heard Clowney now as a bruise shoulder. Where's that? Uh?
And that Clowney has a bud uh? Don Brown will
find it after he gets uh. The rest of oranges regulate.

(02:04:07):
It's somewhere in the system. Thank you very much. Ralph
we're not done. For those of you that are waiting
to hear Straight out of Vegas, don't worry. What we
actually are going to do an extra hour of The
Doug Gotlip Show, Damn straight and uh and who know,
maybe we'll squeeze in some some betting there, because I
don't know if you've been hearing Dan knox Locks hasn't
lost in two weeks. I heard some really good things

(02:04:28):
about knox Locks. Maybe we'll get some coming up next.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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on Fox Sports Radio in the Heart Radio Whip. Glad
to have you here on this Thursday. It is Thursday.
I had to tell my wife two days as come
and thinking of his Christmas he was Friday and they're like, no,

(02:04:49):
it's Thursday. So we're still in the middle of the week.
It is the day after Christmas. If you are intending
to hear Straight out of Vegas story, you guys will
be back tomorrow. But in the meantime, you still have
Jonas Knox here, so he's sitting beside me. Yes, I
won't give you any betting advice because it would just
be bad advice. And you'd rather have no advice at
all than my bad advice. I will say, though, Brad

(02:05:12):
powers on the money right now with his Independence Bowl.
You guys did a bit a segment and not a bit,
but a segment of underdogs that could be straight up
winners in the bowl games. And he's been very good
about it and and the bowl games as far as
you know, picking winners and things like that, you have

(02:05:32):
to factor in. Motivation is a big one because for
some of these guys, either they're not playing because it's
not a college football playoff game, so why would they
go out there and risk injury if they're going to
be a high draft pick. Or maybe they're just not motivated.
And I know this in talking with Brady Quinn who
told me a story that when they went out to
a bowl game, uh for Notre Dame. I believe it

(02:05:55):
was it was in Arizona, which would make it the Fiestabole.
Might have been the Fiesta Bowl or or the Sun
Like they had to have a vote as to whether
or not they wanted to go out to that game,
like there was a vote that was done or something
like that. And he was young with Notre Dame and
it's when he realized, oh, yeah, like if we're not

(02:06:18):
all in ongoing, maybe we just shouldn't. Maybe that's just
the ideas we we just shouldn't go. And and you know,
players went out the night before and got after a
little bit or during the week and you know, kind
of took over a local bar there in the Phoenix area.
And he's talked about that on the air. So when
it comes to college kids going to these sites to
participate in a bowl game, you gotta be careful into

(02:06:40):
as to who you trust. Didn't Alabama get wiped out
by Utah not long ago? Come on that, Yeah, and
it was, Yeah, Brian Johnson led Utaw Utes and John
Parker Wilson was the quarterback at Alabama at the time.
But it was I believe, I believe it was right
after they lost in the SEC championship games. So then

(02:07:03):
you just don't have that motivation because they were so
close to, you know, overtaking Florida and it didn't happen,
and then it just ended up falling on their face.
I I think that the bowl games as well. You
mentioned Notre Dame voting on and maybe they had a
lesser Bowl because it was something like that. I forget
the story, but basically it was some of the guys
were motivated to go and others weren't. I think that

(02:07:25):
you're motivated to go. But nowadays, even in the New
Year's Six Bowls, if you're not a part of the playoff,
it's one of the If there's anything that would expand
I think that, you know, the the playoffs, of of
doing it to eight games, one of the key arguments
would be to make these New Year's six actually worthwhile.

(02:07:45):
You could actually think that they're now have less value,
not monetarily, we know that they're more monetarily, but just
of a of a viewing aspect of people being interested,
of players being interested. There always seemed to be some
pride or something to to winning bowl games. But now

(02:08:06):
with the playoffs, now with the BCS when it came in,
just it's it's gotten less and less throughout and and
the the reasons for these Bowl games are the actual
meaning part about it. It's more of to get the
young guys two weeks of practice, getta you know, head
start on spring ball and all those different things. Yeah,
and I actually I'm not a fan of expanding the playoff,

(02:08:26):
I think the farthest I'm willing to go is six
teams to where the top two teams get a buy
and then you've got the other ones that play in
a semifinal or in a in a matchup to determine
who plays the top teams. I'm not a fan of
the eight team playoffs, but I will agree that when
you tell everybody that two games are much more important
than every other game, then you're telling us that we

(02:08:48):
also shouldn't care about those other games, and so it
does diminish the value of those games. And I think
that's one of the great things about the college football season.
During the college football season, games throughout the horse of
the college football season take on a magnitude where you realize, hey,
guess what if we lose this game, we're really behind
the eight ball here, unless you're Georgia and for some

(02:09:10):
reason they forget that you lost to South Carolina, who
was one of the worst teams in the country. But
never mind, Hey they had good that a lot of
good wins, and they had a lot of good wins.
Jonas Georgia, did I mean that they're taking the losses
and they're holding it too much against the other, wins
against Florida, wins against Notre Dame, and and I know
you're a traditionalist as well too, and I am. I
still even though these games, these bowl games don't matter

(02:09:33):
per se in in the national landscape, like nobody's going
to go back and Doc, you know, Louisiana Tech if
they lose this, walk ons independence boll to Miami. But
I'll say this, I still like the ball games. I
like that It's a Thursday and it's one o'clock Pacific time,
eleven AM in Hawaii and we've got college football, Like, well,

(02:09:54):
fast forward three months, we're gonna wish we had these
games on. I think with with just In what we're
looking at right now in our Fox Sports Radio Studios Jonas,
we took it from the Miami side. Like we earlier
in the program, we talked about where has Miami gone?
How much is college football changed in the last to
thirty years when the Miami's, the Florida States, the Nebraska's,

(02:10:17):
the Michigan's were dominating college football over on top of
the college football world. And now we're saying, look at
what bull we're at. Let's just flip to the other side,
think about your Louisiana Tech. You go to Louisiana Tech
because maybe top schools didn't recruit you, maybe you wanted
to stay closer to home. And if you had an opportunity,
if they said to you, you know what, You're gonna

(02:10:38):
finish your career by playing against Miami. Oh my goodness.
Like talk about talk about the the the carrot at
the end of the stick that you that you have
been chasing. Like, there's the flip side of that. So
for a school like Louisiana Tech to go up against
the Miami sort of team, we may sit there and laughing,
blah blah blah. It is a huge deal from everybody

(02:10:59):
at Lattech to have this game. I remember in when
I was working in South Carolina. It was a New
Year's Bowl game and we went to go cover the
game because South Carolina the game. Cox were playing Yukon
and it was at the Papa John's Bowl in Birmingham, Alabama,
So it was like an eight hour drive from Charleston's.
We drew drove out there. Um, you know, fans come

(02:11:19):
into these new cities and and it's great for local
businesses there and they do a lot of revenue and
things like that. But I remember like there was this
arrogance from the SEC fans, which were South Carolina, thinking
there's no way we're gonna lose to a team like Yukon,
and Yukon beat them. And I remember as we were
driving back, we were all kind of talking in the
car and they get like, oh my god, how how

(02:11:40):
did South Carolina lose to Yukon? And remember thinking, you
know what, I'm actually not surprised because for Yukon that
was a big deal, like that's an SEC team. That's
a team that plays on CBS and the three thirty
Eastern time time slot. They get Verne Lund quiz calling.
Their games were Yukon like nobody knows you can play.
They got up for that game and it was all

(02:12:02):
motivation and you watched during the game when South Carolina
got down, it just felt like, yeah, you can kind
of wants this a little bit more. Their fans were
more fired up, they were excited to be here. South
Carolina fans looked at it is almost like a punishment,
like why are we at the Papa John's Bowl at
the toilet that the toilet that is Legion Field in Birmingham,
but for Yukon it was a big deal. South Carolina

(02:12:25):
placed on probation. You guys know, no bowl game, No,
you actually do have to be a ball game. It's
just in a dirt in a dirt parking lot. Oh man,
it is a big deal, and it is It is
unique to have those types of stories. It was actually
one of the reasons why with the Rose Bowl, I

(02:12:46):
so wanted a Minnesota Utah Rose Bowl. And it's funny
because there are people that I spoke to on both sides.
I know Minnesota fans, I know Utah fans. Neither of
them wanted to play the other school. Like I sat
on a tweet like two months ago saying I was
all for it, and my buddy, who was a Utah fan,

(02:13:07):
is thinking college football playoff. That's what was on his
mind at the time. Talk to Minnesota fans and they're like,
you know, it's been since ninety one and nineteen sixty
two that we've been there. The last thing we want
to do is face a team that's new to the
pack twelve, Like you want to face USC or you
want to you know, So it's so to go along
with that. It was funny because you had two programs

(02:13:29):
that were on the verge of maybe going to the
granddaddy of them all, and all of a sudden, now
they're getting picky on if they want to go to
the game and who they play. In the end, ask
yourself this for the for the Holiday Bowl in San
Diego coming up on Friday night. I mean, who's gonna
be more motivated for that? USC who just travels, you know,

(02:13:51):
an hour and a half down south to San Diego
to play in one of the worst stadiums in the country.
Or Iowa, who gets to go to San Diego to
play you sc and trying. I was going to be
fired up for that game. USC fans look at it
like a punishment. We should be in the Rose Bowl
or something like that. That's where we should be playing games. Instead,
we're gonna be playing games in San Diego at that

(02:14:12):
dump on a on a Friday, in front of a
half empty stadium. I think I was going to come
out fired up for that game. That's the the The
Holiday Vowl was one of the gems, like it truly
is of of all the like the games, there used
to be always Holiday Bowl classics. It's amazing that not
one renovation was made since and by the way, has

(02:14:34):
it ever not rained at a holiday ball? I swear
to God the last like twenty holiday bowls I've watched,
it's been pouring rain. It's like the movie seven. Every
scene was shot in the rain, Like, where are you
guys at the Amazon. We're just being filmed. Hey, as
long as the rain stays away from the Rolls Bowl,
that is all that matters, because wet rose bowls are
never fun. And you you are very passionate about the

(02:14:54):
Rose Bowl. That is that is one of your great
passions that growing up in the Midwest, it was always
at a certain time. Was it four thirty Central times? Well, yeah,
that's the What what happens is it gets dark at
four thirty, so the Rose Bowl the sun is still shining.
It's actually one of the great things about when you
live in a cold weather state and you're watching Even
when the Raiders were playing in l A and watching

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the games in the Colosseum, it's still sunny, but it's
it's cold as bleep outside. It's dark and sometimes you
have snow, sometimes you don't, but it's about ten degrees
and you're watching guys playing the playing the sun. It's
one of the appeals of the of the Rose Bowl.
And it's not just for It's not just for me,
it's everybody basically is in Big ten country because they
have to deal with the same weather conditions and the

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the same timing of it, all of it being dark
outside and cold, and then you're watching the sunshine at
the world. It's so true. You bring that up, and
I didn't even think about that aspect of it, but
I remember growing up and being out here in southern California.
You know, the games start at ten am, and so
as late as you get into the season, and this
will take people that people forget this, but like at

(02:15:58):
certain points of the Sea Sason, you know, I would
watch games on the East Coast and you know, if
people were starting to bundle up or whatever, like I'd
be really really excited about watching these games, just thinking, man,
it's so cold there and it was so cool, and
then when you got to the afternoon games it would
be Rams Niners in Candlestick and there's still be a
baseball diamond in the middle of the stadium, and or

(02:16:20):
the thinking to myself, God, this is depressing. There's something
about this. It depresses me. And maybe it's just because
there was so much sun and there were short sleeves
and it was so the same of everything that I
grew up with that I wasn't as into it as
other places. Yeah. Yeah, the Rose Bowl has had that
effect on on so many even as I said, late
NFL games of seeing a game in San Diego, but
it was it was really the Colosseum that was the

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Raiders were decent, would would appear in a lot of games.
I mean, if they're playing a late game when the
Broncos were good in the eighties, you know, Denver's got snow,
so that's not the big thing. It's the sunshine of
southern California that was always the I mean, I listen.
I still think Monday night football starting at two thirty
in the afternoon in Hawaii is absolutely outrageous. I think
it's outrageous and I just want to experience it. Once

(02:17:03):
the college football season kicked off two years ago, I
was in Hawaii and my fiance could not figure out
why I was waking up at five in the morning,
and I said, because football starts in an hour and
I just want to see what it's like. It's six
am and there's live football games. I just wanted to
see what it was like. It was unbelievable. Oh man,
I perfect example. I slept late last Saturday, turned on

(02:17:25):
the TV at tennel three seven nothing Texans, Jameis Winston
right there, Uh, Dan Buyer, Jonas Knox in for Doug Gottlieb.
Here on Fox Sports Radio. You can listen to the
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(02:17:47):
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Coming up next year on Fox Sports Radio, there is
a a debate that was spark based on something that
happened in a game very very recently, and it involves
every single sport that we all watch in this country.

(02:18:08):
Find out what we're talking about next year on fs ARE.
Special extra edition of the Doug gottlip Show Here on
Fox Sports Radios. Don't worry. Straight out of Vegas returns
tomorrow here on fs ARE. That's where you hell. Here
Jonas knocks Jonas right next to me to my left.
I'm Dan Buyer, Jonas on Twitter at the Jonas Knox.
I'm at Dan Buyer on Fox. NBA can now really
kind of turn up the gears of the regular season

(02:18:30):
now that Christmas Day is in the past. But still
Lakers lose last night to the Clippers. Maybe not the
lasting effect of what we're gonna have that will that
will continue Clippers up too oh in this series, uh
so far. Regular season series obviously a lot can change.
But when it comes to the playoffs and they meet,
maybe we're not going to remember what happened during the

(02:18:50):
regular season. Maybe we will. Maybe it'll be something we
bring up a Clippers ended up sweeping the Lakers or
this and that. The point is, there's actually a broader
instance that happened actually during Snight's game that reaches a
lot of different areas, not only in basketball, but in
the world of sports. Yeah, it was the controversial play
towards the end of the game. Lebron James goes up
for a shot. Patrick Beverley knocks the ball out of

(02:19:13):
his hands. It was called off of the Clippers Lakers
basketball after upon further review, it was determined because you know,
our eyes work, that that that the ball actually did
touch Lebron James's hand last and went out abound, So
went off my hand. But I mean that's went That's

(02:19:34):
the way it went. He watched if you watched plays
on that, Um, I've seen a little bit on a
jumble Trump but not nothing's up in here because the
physics of it was just kind of confusing, like how
does he how does it go with that angle? If no,
I mean, if he strips down, the ball will go down.
It wouldn't go back. They stripped the ball and they
went I don't know, I don't know. I mean, I mean,
if you look at a slow motion four or five

(02:19:55):
ten times, you know, you can always, you know, decide
if it's it could be a different, different call. You know,
if you look at surveillance video, you can also see
who robbed the bank. Not look at it. We're alive
here the Grassy Knoll Lakers, Clippers. So unbelievable. What does
he want us to do? A put the cameras away,

(02:20:15):
no DNA evidence, nothing. Guys. Listen, if you don't have
enough right off the bat, then you're not allowed to
look further into it. Okay, that makes sense? Oh man? Yeah.
Halfway through it, he started to hear what he was saying. Yeah,
it just makes sense. Yeah, I mean he was gonna
knock the ball down. Ball is going to go down,
and then if it goes up, oh geez, then it
probably did go not mad. I don't know. It's just replay.

(02:20:37):
You gotta slow it down. What's the point of that.
It's more of the Lakers in their fans trying to
figure out a way to make that situation make them
a victim of that situation when there was no victim. Instead,
there should just be kudos to Patrick Beverley for making
a great basketball play and that video replay was able

(02:20:58):
to confirm that was a magnificent basketball play, instead of
the Lakers feel everyone's against it. Do you feel like
the Lakers are gonna make the playoffs this year? Dan?
All right, baby steps, guys, you haven't been there in
six years, alright, so so you're gonna get to the postseason.
We don't need to start, you know, uh, soiling ourselves
because a call that you thought was yours actually was

(02:21:20):
proven to be not yours. And you don't have to
start soiling yourself because your little brother that you've been
looking down on all these years is actually better than you,
and has it proved it twice this year, the first
time without Paul George. So this whole, this whole reasoning
and rationale of why the why the regular season is important,
but then it's not important. And now we're hearing Lebron

(02:21:41):
James has got the groin injury was reaggravated. I mean, look,
if you ever knee me in the downstairs bathroom, I
don't know that it's going to reaggravate a groin injury.
I just won't be able to breathe for like twenty seconds,
like and I'll be sick to my stump. Well, let's
let's just let's take maybe what Lebron is saying, or
what Lake or Answer saying. Let's say you can only

(02:22:02):
watch replays at normal speed. Let's let's just say that
what's the point of having replay if the ref can't
see it at normal speed? Then, and you know, like
that's the whole point of it, if actually slowing it
down and seeing what happens. I told you earlier, I like,
I think Baseball's review ends up being the best. Now,

(02:22:24):
maybe it's not efficient where all the umpires get together
and go and watch a screen in a separate place
and then they all run out in the you know,
homeplate umpire gives the call. Maybe there's some efficiency that
could be done there, but I think like a baseball
that's where you get him right in safer out at first?
Did he have the tag? Was his foot? That's the

(02:22:45):
stuff that that you can see. Was the ball fair,
wasn't followed to go over. Those are things that you
can actually see. And I like Baseball's better the NBA. Well,
it may not be perfect at least last not. I
liked it because it got the call that was right.
Remember the time that Kevin durantok like two steps out
of bounds to save the ball from God, you know

(02:23:05):
how nobody can see that sort like that's what it's
there for. That's what last night, And and again Patrick
Beverley just checked Lebron James with seconds left and got
him going to turn the ball over. That's magnificent. You know,
replay allowed that play to happen. Basketball fans should be
celebrating it instead of complaining it. And and to your point,
the point of replay is to be able to get

(02:23:26):
a different look at the same play just so you
know you got it right. And like, like, that's the idea.
If you did it at regular speed, it's no longer replay. There.
There's this place near my house. It's a it's a
sushi place, and it's the most bizarre thing because to
this day and we're going on like four years, there's
a big sign that says happy hour prices all day. Well,

(02:23:48):
then they're no longer happy hour prices. That's just your
regular pricing, Like it's not happy hour. Happy hour is
a different price structure than what your normal prices are.
Those are just your everyday prices. Cut the crap. It
doesn't make sense if if you were complaining because replay
slows things down, then you just don't want to replay
at all because you want to be told a lie

(02:24:11):
and and just trust the people that are telling you, Hey,
guess what, that's exactly how it is, and you don't
get a second look at it. You can go through
Remember the play Oilers Steelers and was it the a
f C Championship game. There was a catch made by
a guy on the Oilers. He was called out of
bounds in the end zone. Had had they actually called
that correctly, the Oilers would have gone onto the Super

(02:24:33):
Bowl if I'm not mistaken, I think that was a
play that people look back at and go, wow, that
was a terrible, terrible call Royals Cardinals in the World Series.
There was a play at first it was I mean awful,
um the perfect game that was ruined by Jim Joyce
who blew the call. Wouldn't you love an opportunity to
go back and get that one right? Nah, well, it's
gonna ruin pace to play. We want to it. Just

(02:24:56):
I don't understand people that are this against replay. I
don't Jim always wouldn't have been in tears, but after
the game, knowing that he cost the guy a perfect
game because he thought he was doing his job, and
and and what with the NFL and and how their
replay goes. As long as you put the onus on
the coaches and how to use replay where the automatic reviews.

(02:25:17):
It's another issue that where the final two minutes, we're
sitting there, We're looking at this, We're looking at that.
How many times do we here? What are we doing here? Guys?
If if if you have an opportunity to maybe put
the onus on coaches, it can allow the process to
get better. Jonas wants replay views of everything and as
long as you get the calls right, that's correct. I'm
not ready to go that far. I I don't think

(02:25:39):
that everything should be reviewed. I think that you just
take the heat off of the referees and getting calls
right and wrong when you allow the coach to be like, Okay,
we recognize there's some human error. You'll have an opportunity
to correct it. You just can't do it at every
single time. So here is a challenge process that we
give to you. I think those are those workout here

(02:26:00):
in my mind. And I'm not saying make everything reviewable
and unlimited challenges, the same number of challenges, but make
everything reviewable. Like to where look pass interference a non
p I call if you feel there was a holding
call and you want them to take a second look
at it. I just think if we're gonna give coaches
control and we're going to give him the kind of
power to be able to look at these plays, give

(02:26:22):
them full control, not only up to two minutes left
to go in a game and in the first half.
I just I don't understand where that where that comes
in again. I love I love baseballs, I hate passing
interference that's gone by the way. This is this will
be the last week of the regular season that you're
gonna see pass interference replay in the NFL. And they
made they made it a point. They went completely rogue

(02:26:42):
and just said, oh yeah, watch this guy's even if
it's blatant pass interference non p I, like they just
don't even care at this point. The great thing about
it was Week two the Seahawks and Steelers were playing
a game where Tyler Lockett drew a pass interference called
it was not called. And this is kind of before
the edict came down of like, alright, this has to

(02:27:04):
be egregious, and it helped them. They ended up winning
the game and it did help him. But there was
even the point of the NFL having to be like, Okay,
this is what we're doing. Sean Payton then end to
come out and say, I remember what we talked about
and what was discussed, this is not it. So nobody
seems to be on the same page right now in
the National Football League, which means replays out the door,

(02:27:25):
Sean Payton complaining about something interesting. Come on, come on.
He was He was the one that was part of
the I mean if if he if he's even the
one of saying like, this is what was discussed, and
then this is what was you know. It's like, hey,
like you know what we're it's gonna be chicken or

(02:27:46):
steak at the wedding. Then you show up and everybody
gets fish. It's like, alright, it was discussed here. You know,
it's a nice meal, but this is not what we discussed,
and like, hey, why are you complaining? You got a
nice piece of fish. That's where Sean Payton is coming from.
He stand by ro I'm Jonah Snocks. This is a
Fox Sports Radio in for Doug Gottlieb here on fs
are all right. Coming up next, Dan Buyer has a

(02:28:07):
radical new idea that could change sports as you know it.
We'll have that for you next here on Fox Sports
Radio for all the latest though. Ralph Irvan, well, thank
you very much, gentlemen. And we are looking at the
NBA tonight because Luca don Che returns to the floor.
He's missed the last five games of the sprained ankle,
but he will play tonight against San Antonio, and head

(02:28:28):
coach Rick Carlisle says it will not be with a
minute's restriction. They're just gonna see how well he plays
and let him go at it. Meanwhile, you talk about
Lebron James on Christmas Night, Well, he did reaggravate that
groin injury allegedly. Uh, and what it means is he
might not be able to play Saturday and Sunday. The
Lakers play back to back Saturday at Portland's. Sunday, they'll

(02:28:51):
be at home against the Dallas Mavericks. Now in the NFL.
Dallas Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott did not throw today, did
participate in the teams walk through and its individual drills,
so he is expecting to play on Sunday. The team
hopes he'll be able to throw on Sunday. They're trying
to rest his shoulder, but again, the Cowboys need that

(02:29:12):
win to have a shot at the NFC Eastern Division.
Raiders running back Josh Jacobs under when a procedure on Wednesday,
but it wasn't a seasonating procedure on his sore shoulder. Instead,
it was to deal with an infection on his leg.
He woke up Wednesday morning with discomfort and had it
dealt with. He is hoping to play Sunday. Against the Broncos,
as the Raiders still have playoff hopes. L s U

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running back Clyde Edwards Hilaire skipped Peach Bowl media day
to get treatment on his injured hamstring. He's still questionable
for Saturday's National semifinal matchup, which of course, will be
against the Oklahoma Sooners. Now set it back to gentlemen
who are ready to innovate the world of sports. It
is Dan Byron Shona Stocks. Thank you very much, Ralph.

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It is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
He is Jonas Stocks. I'm Dan Buyer sitting in for
Doug today. If you want to find Jonas on Twitter,
just go to the Jonas Knocks. I'm at Dan Buyer
on Fox. I have taken this Christmas week here on
Fox Sports Radio to unveil how to solve the problem
with the NBA regular season. Jonas, I don't want to
say that you're the latest subject, you're the latest victim

(02:30:16):
to hear my proposal. Yeah, and I will be honest
now I have a proposal. I think they should get
rid of the NBA altogether. But again that's a you know,
some people take a draft approach absolutely loser leaves town match. Okay,
the regular season in the NBA is awful years back
there when the when the Calves and Warriors were gonna
face off in the NBA Finals for the third time

(02:30:38):
after Kevin Durant left Oklahoma City to Golden State, there
were three NBA regular season games that mattered. There were
seven NBA playoff games that were going to matter. You
they didn't even need seven when it came down to it.
So basically you had what eight games in the NBA
season that mattered for an entire year because you knew
it was gonna be Calves Warriors in the finals, and

(02:31:00):
all people wanted to see was calvs. Warriors in the
regular season and Kevin Durant's return to Oklahoma City. That
was it the entire season. So the the regular season
issues go back that far. The Spurs have been doing
load management forever. Okay, they've been doing it for a
long time. It's not a new thing. It's not just
a Kauai thing. It's just that the San Antonio Spurs
did not grab the country's attention like the Kawhi Leonard

(02:31:24):
and the Clippers do, or Kawhi Leonard and the Raptors
or Lebron James and anyone else. Those things have been
going on a while. The issues with the regular season
jonas has always just been the value when teams are
wanting to set themselves up for the playoffs and not
wanting to play as many regular season games because they
want to be fresh. They want to make sure that
the guys make it through an entire season, don't have
any catastrophic injuries. As long as you make the playoffs,

(02:31:46):
teams are satisfied. Right. That seems to be the case.
Now we're hearing about the new schedule, and that's coming
out that the NBA is is has parameters of a
mid season tournament, maybe trimming down the regular season to
seventy eight games, maybe having a pot of money that
would allow each player to win a million dollars if
they win these mid season tournaments, maybe having draft picks awarded. Okay,

(02:32:10):
first of all, a million dollars really doesn't matter to
most of a team on an NBA, right, doesn't. Draft
picks have never mattered to a player ever ever, Ever,
so you have to figure out a process that allows
the players to have incentive to play in these playoffs
or to these mid season tournaments and they have the
team want to win and have a fan base follow them.
And that's why I think the NBA needs to totally

(02:32:32):
scrap the schedule or the the the standings of win
loss go to what the NHL does, or go to
what soccer does in award points for victories. So two
points for a win, zero points for a loss. It's
what you get for any regular season game. When you
have a mid season tournament, you could put all thirty
teams in a bracket, give the top two teams in
the league a by so then you would have the

(02:32:54):
opportunity for those top two teams to have value of winning.
They would actually get an extra point for winning it
or having a top two record where they would have
a buy in the first round. You then, in your
team thirty team tournament excuse me, award points for each
level that you advanced to, with the champion getting anywhere
from five to ten bonus points, all while adding this

(02:33:16):
to your season total. So what it basically does, Jonas
is not only do you have your regular season where
you're trying to accumulate points, if you fare better in
the tournament and if you win the tournament, you can
actually improve your standing when it comes to the playoff
bracket in the spring. So there's incentive for everyone. If
you're the Boston Celtics and you win this tournament, you
get ten bonus points. You can jump from a four

(02:33:38):
seed in the East all the way to a second
seed that allows you to benefit this season and have
an immediate payoff for it without throwing out draft picks
and money to incentivize in to give incentive to these players. Okay,
but if you're a bad team without the tournament, why
would you all of a sudden be a good team
in the tournament? Meaning like, like, how would you like?

(02:34:00):
I would think it would play out like the rest
of the regular season does, where the good teams are
good and the bad teams are bad. Sure, but you
would have games that would actually matter. So for example,
let's take yesterday's Sixers Bucks game. Okay, if if I
hope I'm answering your question, I mean, I'm glad you
picked that instead of New Orleans. I'd rather watch my
dog die again then watch Pelicans Nuggets. Okay, and I

(02:34:23):
can you can use any game. The Bucks are still
up four games in the Eastern Conference. But if this
was a mid season tournament. Let's say that was a
semi final game. Philadelphia has now just picked up five
more points in the standings where they could close their
gap on Milwaukee or that would add to so there
would be value in them Milwaukee in playing the game.
It would be like, Wow, we can actually add more

(02:34:45):
points and distance ourselves to get home court in the
Eastern Conference. That would be incentive to do it. New
Orleans and Denver, New Orleans, Let's just say they end
up going on a run adding some points. Maybe they
lift themselves and try to put themselves more into playoff contention.
It's just trying to find incentives within the season that
everybody is interested in. And all the people are interested

(02:35:08):
in are the playoffs. And now that's how these things
can help them. Uh want to play in these tournaments
and make these games meaningful. Do they play the same
number of regular season games and the tournament or does
the tournament take up a certain number It has to
take up certain regular season games because adding more games
is a problem, Like that would be they're already talking
about getting rid of games in the NBA season. Adding

(02:35:30):
more would be a problem. So you're saying much like
when when the NHL during the Winter Olympics, some guys
will take off to go play for their national teams.
This is sort of a tournament inside the season that
would make up a portion of the season. Yeah, and
you also wouldn't say that one team got an advantage
because they played sixty eight games as to someone who
played sixty six for the simple fact of the team

(02:35:53):
was rewarded by winning and getting a chance to play
those extra games. So if you end up losing in
the first round of the bracketed playoff, that's your own fault.
You ended up losing the game. How you would see
it is or set up the tournament is a different story.
But it just allows you to play for something, because
that's the interest. That's the issue here is these regular

(02:36:15):
season games don't matter because the teams are already going
to be in the playoffs and they want to make
sure that they are going to be healthy for the playoffs.
This could give more incentive for a Boston team if
they're like, well, if we're the four seed, we win
this tournament, guess what, we could be the top seed
in the East because of the amount of points we have. Now,
I like your proposal better than the one that Adam
Silver was thrown out there. But I don't agree that

(02:36:37):
a mid season tournament fixes the issue. I think part
of the issue, well, it's a couple of reasons. One
toothpaste is already out of the two of Adam Silver
has given players so much control that they run the
league and they dictate terms. The other thing that I
think is a problem is that they start their season
when they do, and you're running neck and neck and
against the NFL and college football and the World Series.

(02:36:59):
When you start your season early in the Major League
Baseball playoffs, you can't win those battles. I think if
they moved the season back, started it on Christmas, you
push the season back two months altogether, and now your
postseason happens during the slow time in sports, which is
July and August as opposed to May April through June.
I think that would help increase interest in the NBA,

(02:37:22):
and I think their ratings would be better. That's the
that's the issue though, because summer TV ratings don't matter,
you know, it's spring and fall. That could be you
know another whole thing of I mean, that's why, and
and so do you also do you also feel like,
because this is the other thing that's a knock on
the NBA to where when they're talking about tournaments and

(02:37:42):
things like this, we were all we were We've been
told and you and I have been doing this long
enough to know, over the past couple of years, we've
been we've been handed every excuse. Last year it was, well,
you know, Lebron James is on the West Coast, so
people don't want to stay up late for games. Okay,
well the Warriors are on the West coast. What's the excuson?
But there's Warriors fatigue. We want some new blood. Okay,
well you're definitely getting new blood this year, and the

(02:38:05):
ratings are even worse. So it feels like, I mean,
what are we gonna do next? We're gonna have like,
you know, whichever team captain can fart his way through
the star spangled banner, they get a ten point lead
to start the game. It just it feels like the
NBA is scrambling to come up with answers and they
look desperate right now. It really feels like a desperate

(02:38:25):
league that is dying when it comes to the ratings battle,
and people just don't want to be honest about it. Yet,
remember a couple of years ago, the NFL's in trouble.
The NBA is catching up to the NFL. Man that
lasted about an hour. Well, the NFL would institute a
fart off. Maybe then they could separate ourselves more than

(02:38:45):
than than even what it is now. I I always
thought that the conversation was the amount of young people,
you know, guys in their twenties who were taking to
the NBA. It's not gonna change with with guys my
age are older that are all of a sus gonna
be like, you know what, I'm done with the NFL,
give me hoops, Like that's not gonna matter. Yeah, I
haven't tell you what. You have a thirty game schedule,

(02:39:08):
you know that makes the games that you're watching pretty interesting.
Obviously that's never ever gonna happen. I'll tell you one
of the other reasons. And I don't know if if
it is the case, but it's my perception. Maybe I
should have looked this up. I can watch the NBA
any night I want. I can watch it ESPN as
it three nights a week. We know t N t S, NBA, TVs,
got it on. You've got your local market in most

(02:39:30):
places of watching games. I mean, it used to be
difficult to find basketball at times to watch. Now it's
on every single night. Okay. So so if we all
agree the NFL is number one in this country, college
football is number two, and the NBA would be three,
would you say that's right? Yeah? Okay. Is the gap
between the NFL and college football closer than the gap

(02:39:51):
between college football and the NBA, because I think it is.
So you think that the college football is closer to
the NFL than the NBA is to college a ball? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I would say that. I also think that there's just
college football fans who are only college football fans because
of their school, well in their conference. I mean, come on,
if you're if I mean, if you're a South Carolina

(02:40:13):
fan and you were the skid mark of the SEC,
you're claiming big time l s U this weekend. Come on.
Sure there's also more options in college for you, you know,
And and I'll tell you one thing. I wouldn't sleep
on baseball for the simple fact of I know, nationally
it's not the greatest, but when he gets down to
a regional level, when teams are in it I mean,
I think I I think that there's at times can

(02:40:33):
be more interest than if the same scenarios were placed.
When it comes to the NBA, Well, I mean, you
shouldn't sleep on anybody. You're married, Dan kind all right?
Uh he he is, Dan Buyer, Jonas knocks him for
Doug Gottlieb. Here on Fox Sports Radio. You can listen
to the show on the I Heart Radio app at
Dan Buyer on Fox. What do you think of Dan's

(02:40:54):
mid season proposal to save the NBA? At Dan Buyer
on Fox. Up next, we have a major development, a
major development in the world of football involving one team
that's not very good. Find out what it is next
Here on fs are Fox Sports Radio. It's an extended
version of The Doug Gottlieb Show. Straight out of Vegas
will return tomorrow. Jonas and r J will get y'all

(02:41:15):
set four week seventeen. In the National Football League, Jonas
stocks is with me, Dan Buyers. We are sitting in
Fort Doug today. There are some playoffs scenarios that are
that are still available in the National Football League, but
those playoffs scenarios do not include the Cleveland Browns. Jonas
no the Cleveland Browns are not going to be a
part of it. Interesting stat on the Cleveland Browns Dan

(02:41:39):
Baker Mayfield is set to become the first Browns quarterback
in eighteen years to start all sixteen games. Wow, that
deserves the round of applause. That that the there is
no addition to the jersey, the legendary Browns jersey. It
will have to wait another year. When when they've had

(02:42:01):
an issue with that many players at that position as
far as longevity goes, At what point did we realize,
you know, maybe it wasn't all those players, Maybe it's
just this organization. Well you know what this is how
I look at it, Jonas, Maybe things aren't as bad
as we say that they are in Cleveland. Yesterday, when
I was wrapping up the show with Aaron Torres brought

(02:42:23):
up the point that the Cleveland Browns, with a win
this week and against the Bengals would be seven and
nine and if you look back at this season, Okay, disappointment,
but it would be the fourth best record that they
have had since returning to the National Football League. They
have Baker Mayfield actually actually be maybe a solution at

(02:42:45):
the position. And I know that there's some that don't
think that he's the long term answer, but realistically, is
Baker Mayfield gonna lose his job within the next six games. No,
So there's actually progress with what you've got with the
Cleveland Browns, and in that stat of of seven and nine,
considering what they've gone through since they came back into
the league, I mean, hey, there there's actually there actually

(02:43:06):
is some progress going on in clue. I mean, and
I would also say this if you go back to
a couple of years ago, three or four years ago,
where the Browns are just irrelevant and the laughing stock
of the league. I mean, they led the national conversation
a lot this year. If you talk about teams in
the NFL that we're talked about on a national level
a lot, Brown's, Cowboys, Ravens, Patriots, of course. I mean

(02:43:28):
I can't think of another team out there that that
led conversations nationally. Now, was it for all the right reasons? No?
Was sometimes it because you know, maybe a player threatened
gang violence on a media member after a loss. You
know there is some of that as well too. But
at least you're part of the discussion and you're and
you're interesting again as opposed to a couple of years

(02:43:48):
ago where they couldn't figure out what exactly they were
doing there and they couldn't get people interested in the product. Yeah,
it's Twitter Rnstein to be kept at bay. But the
players that actually did perform, I think that there is
something there. I do think that Freddy Kitchens needs to go.
I don't think that for for what they needed to do,
they just needed to maintain or sustain what they had

(02:44:09):
or grow. I don't think that they did. I think
if you put somebody else in there, But there are
pieces there, and one of those pieces is Baker Mayfield, who,
as you said now, will become the first quarterback to
start every single game. Who do you think is more
likely to be there next year, Freddie Kitchens or Odell
Beckham Odell Beckham Jr. Yeah, Okay, Yeah, I would lean

(02:44:30):
towards Freddie Kitchens because because it feels like, despite what
Odell Beckham is saying, it feels like if somebody comes
at them with an offer good enough that they would
pull the trigger to try and get the roster back
to where they needed to be. The offensive lineman or whoever. Yeah, well,
you need to figure out your identity because fifteen games
in sixteen weeks and I still don't know what their

(02:44:52):
identity is. I have no idea it should be Nick
Chubb and Kareem Hunt probably, so that would lend to
what you say. But then when you look at the
Grands scheme things, that's on the shoulder of Freddy Kitchens
or you haven't even established an identity with this team
this year, or do you think it's more likely that
maybe Myles Garrett will make up stories about things that
were said to him, Like what do you think that

(02:45:13):
could be back next year as well? Yeah, all right, hey,
we'll do it tomorrow. Absolutely,

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