December 31, 2019 • 36 mins
Doug Gottlieb reacts to the Cleveland Browns and John Dorsey parting ways and explains why even though the madness seems to never end in Cleveland, the dawn is coming soon. Doug examines why no news has come out of Dallas yet. Former Browns CEO Joe Banner stops by to give a detailed perspective on the John Dorsey's exit, and in this edition of Game Time, what are the chances that Ryan Pace is telling the truth about Mitch Trubisky?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the best of the dog Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America? Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, last show of two thousand nineteen. Can't
wait till two thousand twenty. Who was with me? Huh
you you tough year? Yep uh. Kind of a tough
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year in Cleveland. That's where we'll begin. We'll cover the
bull season. What I think is taking place in the
ball games that upcoming, like the truth to the ball games.
Got a little NBA stuff, Happy birthday to Lebron James. Right,
Ron James thirty five at thirty birthday yesterday, Lots of stuff.
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Antonio Brown is like I actually was on TV last
week and people were talking about Antonio Brown playing in
the Nation Football League this year. It's like, no, he's not.
And I he continues to dig a grave for himself
and then pull out the pistol and attempt to shoot
himself so that he will he will see his football
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grave very very soon if he hasn't already. Um, there's
discussion about the Patriots. We got to get that. Let's
start with the news of the day that said John
Dorsey is out. He has done, he is finished. He
was relieved of his duties. Who is he He's offered
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a demotion? Actually, wait, so I get paid to not
do anything? Uh, I guess I'm gonna pass. But John Dorsey,
who is all had no cattle, right, this is what
he's done before. This is the path that he went
down in Kansas City, which ultimately led to his ouster
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in Kansas City. Let's not give him credit for Mahomes.
We have to give him credit for some of the
other key personnel pieces that he brought to the Kansas
City Chiefs, even Tyreek Hill. But Tyreek Hill, as much
as that was absolutely a hit, the fact is that
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Tyreek Hill is part and parcel to the narrative and
the story that is John Dorsey, which is, hey, let's
just go get the best players and they'll figure it out.
And that doesn't work because football, though, you have to
have the Jimmy's and the Joe's, and the exes and
the Ohs. There's a chemistry to it. There is the
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idea of making yourself a football team that plays from
one another and wants to accomplish a common goal. And
he could never really crack that code, and he got fired,
not for any other reason than the decisions that he
made at head coach and how that affected his quarterback.
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The lack of discipline. I actually commend Jimmy HASSLM. Jimmy
has them identified the problem. Here's the problem. Baker Mayfield
has no discipline. The football team has no discipline. That
falls on the coach, but also on the guy who
decided to hire the coach, And so Dorsey lost his
gig and by the way, Baker Mayfield lost the only
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advocates he had in that building. Don't get me wrong,
I'm sure Jimmy has some likes him. He's made him
a lot of money. He sold a lot of jerseys.
But with all of the hullabaloo, all of the palaver
about Baker Mayfield, all of the discussion about him, the
fact is that John Dorsey was the one who empowered him,
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calling him Brett Farves the next Bret Farve, and um,
you know, his head coach also ignited that flame. The
Browns remind me in many ways of legends of the Fall.
You remember, like God, I'm I'm actually getting old now,
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let's be the Fall is nineteen and ninety four, my goodness.
So when I tell you that the the Academy Award
winner for Best Art Direction, Best Sound Mixing. You know
when I tell you that gave us a great movie,
you be like, I kind of remember that movie. Brad Pitt,
Anthony Hopkins, Aidan Quinn remember this movie anybody, um even
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Bart the Bear, which is a real bear who has
a scene at the end of the movie. Basically, all
you need to know is it's a terrible story about
family in Montana and everybody dies. And that's how the
Cleveland Browns feel like today. Baker Mayfield didn't lose his
job today, didn't get cut today, but it shure feels
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like at the end of this movie, everybody dies. There's
a cutaway to Baker in a beard with a beard
somewhere in Montana fighting a bear and ultimately the bears
lays him. That's what this feels like. That's what it
feels like. And whether it's the expectation of a number
one overall pick or the fact that's Cleveland being Cleveland.
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When you've heard so many such a mixed bag of
names for the head coaching job, you know that there's
two different, two different lea leaking sources. One was John Dorsey,
who wanted, you know, an actual coach who would take
the job and take orders. The other was Jimmy Haslum,
who's willing to bring in somebody who's gonna bring in
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their own guy. And now you know where they're going.
They will not go with an inexperience coach. They will
go with coach maybe an experience, but he will be
tied to whatever GM or whatever president is calling the shots.
That's the way these things go. If you ask yourself,
how the hell the Buffalo Bills go from the laughing
stock of the NFL that can't get right, team with
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the longest playoff drought in the league, two to playoff
appearances in three years. What do they do? They hired
a young defensive coordinate or fresh office super Bowl appearance,
and truth is, Sean McDermott actually came off of a
bad defensive years the year after Josh Norman left and
they had two rookie defensive backs, but McDermott helped take
them to a Super Bowl, and he brought in his
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own guy, Brandon Bean, and together collectively they've put together
an outstanding young athletic roster on defense and managed a young,
inexperienced inaccurate quarterback on offense. And it's worked. It's worked.
If last year was about Sean McVeigh and anyone that
knows or deals with Sean McVeigh, they would get a
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head coaching job. This year feels like the McDermott year.
A guy like McDermott or somebody who's worked under McDermott,
those are the guys who get those opportunities. Get a
coach with a GM, get lockstep, established the culture, win
with defense, protect the football, run the football, and just
manage the fact you have a young quarterback who's under
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club control and not making a ton of money. And
so when I hear names like Urban Meyer, I knew
that John Dorsey was gonna get fired. When you hear
names like, um, what's his name in New England, Josh McDaniels,
you knew John Dorsey was gonna get fired all right,
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Like Josh mcdown is not coming from Cleveland to work
for John Dorsey, like, and that's not happening. Even Mike McCarthy,
who has been rumored Mike McCarthy and John Dorsey worked
together in Green Bay. John Dorsey didn't hire him last year.
When Mike McCarthy was on the market, and so you know,
if Mike McCarthy were to get the job, John Dorsey
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wasn't gonna be around. But whether it's the the inability
to manage expectations, the inability to manage discipline of a
football team, poor planning, the wrong coach for the right team,
a lack of discipline, or just a dysfunctional you know,
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island of misfit toys, the Browns of the Browns. The
organization has only made the playoffs once since its existence
in and I credit Jimmy has them. I credit Dan Snyder.
Of course, Dan Snyder has hired a coach, but two
guys who have been seen as kind of power playing
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owners who will wield their power and try to make
some football decisions. Those are guys who, at least in
the last forty eight hours, have said, you know, I
really don't know. I really don't know. I'll let somebody
else know. I'll let somebody else figure it out. I'll
hire a team of people who will work together. Because
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just like we started sing that football four players wins
because of guys working together, working together also works in
the front office. It's one of the great things about
Fox and Fox Sports Radio is we actually work together,
We actually have guys that like each other and pull
forward one another and not against one another. Happy New
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Year to you, unless, of course, you're in Cleveland. If
you're a Browns fan, you're rolling your eyes and you're
saying again and I thought would be. I don't think
a successful season is that far off. The Steelers are,
whether they like it or not. They're in a transition mode.
Right Big Ben comes back and plays how many how
much time does he have left? Coming off of Tommy
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John in his late thirties, looking like one of the
characters from Legends of the Fall with that grizzly beard.
The Bengals are still the Bengals. Yeah, the Ravens are
the best team in the league right now, but that
style has not lasted yet in the NFL, and even
if it does, one great team does not a division make.
The Browns have really good personnel. They need a really
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good coach and a really good present and a really
good GM and they have that opportunity only by getting
rid of John Dorsey, which they did today. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays
at three pm. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. To this point, Jason
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Garrett appears to be able to survive two thousand nineteen
as head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. That's because Jane Slater,
who she has a podcast called what's it called the
Boys and Girl Boys and Girl podcast, very catchy heard
podcast network. She has a a pod that that we
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run on the Herd podcast network. She reports that no
decision has been made. There was a meeting between Jason
Garrett and Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones whenever, and no
decision was made. It was just like waiting for the pope. Right,
is the white of the black smoke that there's no
new pope. It is the white smoke. White smoke is
no new pope. That no black smoke is no nephite
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smoke is a new post. So black smoke as of
now coming out of the star right, which is where
Jerry Jones calls home. Black smoke as of now. Um okay,
that's interesting, no white smoke. Here are my thoughts on
why the Cowboys have made a change yet really hard
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to fire family, you know, like anybody else is just
a guy. Jerry legitimately likes Jason Garrett, like they have
a long time relationship and and look, Jason has put
up with Jerry being Jerry for a long time. By
the way, there's a score in the Kentucky Virginia game.
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It's a one point game. I will not share with
you how that game just ended. I do want to
know what the line was, because there's a dramatic effect
on people in the wa Gas anyway. Um, look, it's
just it's hard to fire family, you know, it's hard
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to go through it. So it's hard to go through
a divorce because it's not just the breaking up of
a couple. People break up all the time, but now
a sudden you're breaking up a family. Now one person
has to live somewhere else right now. It gets kind
of icky when you get to okay, what about weddings
and and family get togethers and holidays and who gets
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who and who gets what? Like that ain't cool. That's
the worst part, which is like the best part of
being in a family. It can be kind of awkward
at times, right, but it's it's it's hard to cut
family out. And I think that Jerry legit likes Jason
Garrett I do think he wanted him to succeed. I
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think he gave him what he thinks was as many
opportunities to dig himself out of the hole, and it
didn't work, even if many of the things he did
and the ways in which he did him were the
wrong way to do him. I think in his own mind,
Jerry's sitting there going I fire him. Am I cutting
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this guy out of the family. That's a hard thing
to do. When Bill Parcels left. Bill Parcels is not
synonymous with the Cowboys. Chan Gailey not synonymous with the Cowboys. Wait,
Phillips not synonymous with the Cowboys. I go through the
coaches that they've had that they're not even Jimmy Johnson
or Barry Switzer, like these guys were not synonymous with
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the Cowboys. Jason Garrett, though he hasn't accomplished great things,
he has had the most successful seasons in twenty years
with the Cowboys to out the last three. And he's
a cowboy way So how does he keep Jason Garrett
as a Cowboy and yet make a coaching change and
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make his team better. That's you struggle with, and I'm
sure it's hard to find that guy. Then people would like, wait,
it's the Cowboys. As er Meyer said, anybody should run
to take that job. Yeah. The problem is coaching the
Cowboys is a lot like you go into a buddy's
house and trying to use his remote tonight. It can
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be the easiest, most useful remote ever. You ever seen
those digital ones where all you gotta do is press
the button and it's like and then has you can
even have the like the logos like Fox, ESPN, CBS,
just press the button. But then you're like, all right,
how do you turn it up? Oh? Man, I have
no idea. I want to watch Netflix. Oh here's what
you gotta do. You gotta go to that other remote
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or you gotta press auxiliary, And then you get like
what the Cowboys are wired a certain way. Jerry and
Steven make the player acquisitions. And by the way, if
you want to sit here and tell me that doesn't work.
Why does everybody think the Cowboys have really good players?
So now they want to go hire a coach, But
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all the good coaches want to pick their own players
and don't want their own or having press conferences. So
I feel like the Cowboys are a little bit of that.
Really fancy remote that your buddy has, and while it
should be easy to use, you're like, man, what is this?
And it's not like you're gonna replace that remote. You
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played a thousand dollars for the thing to get hooked
up and wired and lined up hard to fire. Family, man,
that's why you don't work with family. But if you
don't work with family, there is a certain mercenary lack
of feeling and relationship and warmth to the entire thing.
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Let's welcome in. Joe Banner, of course, was the general
manager of the Cleveland Browns for making his way to
uh uh to broadcasting, and he joins us now on
the Doug got Leave Show on Fox Sports Radio. Joe,
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what's your reaction would happened in Cleveland today? I think
I was the first person put in the Jimmy Haslin
electric chair, so I'm I'm not surprised to see things continuing.
And it's hard to understand. I mean, you know, I
understood the coach obviously. You know they made a mistake.
They recognized it, which is what you need to do,
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and moved on. But you look at John Doussey's moves
over two years and compared to any of the other
general managers out there, and has worked for four years
in Kansas City. I mean, it's really really hard to understand,
you know what the restaurant would be here. I mean,
he's brought in a lot of good players there. He's
made some mistakes. You know, there's coaching higher obviously was
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a mistake that he has to own a piece of
although no coach gets hired without an owner being involved,
are proving it and supporting it just doesn't happen. I
don't care who you are, you gonna be a Hall
of Fame general manager. So you know, it's more of
the same. And you know, will they find some people
at some point that they get comfortable enough with it,
they give him a long enough chance to really see
what they can do. You know, it remains to be seen.
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You know, we just started. I get fired. It was
actually doing a good job. So it's a it's a pattern.
If if I were to if I were to tell you, okay, look,
it is a pattern. He didn't bring in good, good,
good players. But Dorsey's kind of m O is just
go and get good players, and it's been a lack
of I don't know if I want to say character,
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but but in terms of team building, that's maybe what's
missing in his style, even going back to the kan
City days. Is that a fair way to look at Dorsey? Listen,
I could give you criticism this of Dorsey or moves
that I didn't think that he made that we're good,
but you know, we was sitting on a day where
Dave Gentleman and and Caldwell were retained as general managers,
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and uh, you know, we've compare that to the success
rate of a Dorsee for example, it's like night and day.
I mean, you know, I compare him to some of
the better generalmanas in the league, and again I can
absolutely makes pick out some mistakes. I do think he's
much more focused on bringing in kind of individual talent
and thinking about how built the team. I think that's
a very fair and accurate description. But you know, the
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guys demonstrate an ability to accurately evaluate players, lay the foundation.
I mean, there were a lot of people talking about
this team being talent enough to go to the Super Bowl.
You know I wasn't amongst them before the season, But
how do you go from that making a mistake and
picking a head coach that kind of depresses the achievements
of the team to you know, not even being part
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of the organization going forward. You know, it's rare for
general managers not to get more than two years, and
when they do, there's usually a very clear track record
of significant numbers of mistakes. I like to call it
a low batting average. It's just not the case here.
I mean, they were definitely mistakes, but you know, his
track record over two years actually has some really really
good moves and big successes in it. Uh, and some
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clear mistakes. It's just that it warranted more time, I
guess is my point to give him a chance to put,
you know, lay out his plan and see where it
ended up. Okay, what if I told you that in
order to get the coaches they want to get, that
guy had to bring in his own guy. Would would
that be a reason for termination? So if I had
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finished the search an interviewed, I mean, I think they
put in something like it doesn't requests at this point.
It's kind of crazy, But I had to finished the
search and I had a clear cut guy that I
thought was the answer for the future, and the only
way I could get him was to make a change
of general manager. I would do that. I think the
coach is the most important person to bring into the organization,
most important person to hire, and if you have to
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make some sacrifices or even move on from some people
that you think have some talent to do it, I
would do that. But they haven't even started the interviews.
I mean, there are people that are interested in that
I know of that would love to have worked with John,
and there's some people that interested in that I know
would prefer to have brought in their own person and
not work with John. So valid question. Under the right circumstances,
yes it would justify making a change, but we're not
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there right now. They could end up hiring one of
the guys. Are feeling the best guy they interviewed as
somebody that was actually very confluent, John felt good about
the movie, may in fact was partially interested in the
job because they thought the roster was strong. So I just,
I just I don't see how the timing of this
kind of fits with that being the explanation you know
for it, and you know, it's combined with a you know,
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this is the seventh year they've owned the team, and uh,
you know, depending up on how you want to come
like an interim coach. I mean, they're basically looking for
the seventh coach and the seven years they've owned the team.
I think it's a fourth or fifth general manager. I
was the CEO for one year. I think I did
enough on the one year and had an eight year
tractor when I got there that deserved more time. So
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I said to them earlier today, there's only two possibilities
unless somebody give you a third. They're either absolutely horrendous
at hiring, like beyond horrendous maybe you know the US
we've seen any owner in any sport, or they're just
not giving some pretty good people enough time to succeed.
I don't know what could be the third explanation, and
neither of those are very good. Joe Banner joining US,
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former CEO of the Cleveland Browns and the day in
which the Cleveland Browns believed John Dorsey of his of
his duties. Is Baker Mayfield the guy to leave the
lead the Browns out of this waste land. Well again,
he's got to get the right leader of that team
to answer that question. You know, I was the top
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quarterbacks in this league are smart guys who are incredibly accurate,
and they have adequate arm strength. And he has those
three things. Now he also has as a personality, can
be very difficult. I don't know if it's just immaturity
or it's who he is. Um, he's highly competitive. So
I actually believe that in time he's going to prove
to at least be a good quarterback. Not what we
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saw this year. Um, But obviously at this point that's
a projection. And we're going to see Joe Banners owning
us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Why why the delay
in the Cowboys? Right like Jason's contract is up. They
underachieved you know, in the if John Dorsey didn't get
enough time, Jason Garrett has gotten more than enough time.
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Why do you think we haven't heard any news from Dallas. Well,
the only explanation that I've heard that makes any sense
at all is that just they they're going to just
kind of quietly let the contract expire, as opposed to
kind of you know, putting a coach and his family
through the uncomfortableness of announcing he's been fired. And I'm
not even sure that makes sense, but per absolutely nothing
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else that even makes any sense at all. I mean,
I don't think there's any doubt that he's gone. Uh
And I can't give you a good reason they should.
They should just do it. Move on. It's had its time.
I agree with you, he had even more time than
than maybe most people would have given him. Move on,
get the thing cleaned up. It's better for him, you know,
let him see what else may be out there for him,
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or just start to deal whatever his future is gonna be.
And you know, Jerry needs to get gone on. What's
going to be next? Doug got leave? Show you on
Fox Sports TREDI Uh, okay, So what about that job?
That one's a little trickier because whoever you hire, end
of the day, they got to answer to to Jerry
and Stephen, they're gonna make the calls. Is that as
Is that as attractive a job as many the media
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think it is. I listen, I think it's a good job.
I mean, I think that Jerry takes, in my opinion,
more criticism than he deserves in terms of his GM function.
I mean, that's one of the better rosters in the league,
and he's I think we're lying on will Clay more
and more as time has gone on. Stephen Jones seems
to be a positive voice in the equation over time.
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And the truth is they've managed to put together a
good team, a team that should be winning more than
it is. So, you know, I Jerry's visibility, Jerry's you know,
talking to the media as much as he does. These
are real challenges and no coach, you know, wants to
deal with more than they have to. So those are
certainly to be considered it. You know, in the end
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of it, they're putting together a roster fifty three guys.
It should be winning. It is a good thing. What
more do you want out of the front office. And
they're willing to spend whatever it takes to win. And
there's no owner that wants to win any more than Jerry.
There are other owners that winners want to win. Is bad. So,
you know, I think if I was advising somebody who
was a head coach, I would I think it would
be a good place to go. The same question for
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the Washington Redskins. They hired a coach, the guy who
is well respected, but there's been so many of like, hey,
look at the Washington Redskins track record. All the guys
that have tried there has failed that they have, you know,
an owner that has been widely criticized. They cleaned house
for most parts in their front office. What are your
thoughts on what the Redskins have decided thus far? Yeah,
so a totally different answer from me. I mean, I
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haven't been a big supporter of the front office and
the decisions in the ownership situation and Washington. I worked
with Ron Rivere for I think it was seven years.
No run. Well, he is the great guy everybody describes
the great leaders will get head coach. But now the
challenge here is Ron put together a great staff when
he's usually hired in Carolina. As time has gone on,
he hasn't really replaced the people that he's lost with
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the equal caliber. So he's really got to go back
to his roots and really put together a great staff here.
And then they got to hire a jone manager and
trust that Dan really means it when he says he's
going to get out of the way. Hard to believe.
He just forced them to pick a quarterback that at
best there was some difference of opinion in the building
about So I'm a lot more skeptical. If I got
to choose of the jobs available this year, that would
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certainly be leased and compared to Dallas, it's not even
close to me. I mean I would be I'd be
worried about taking that job. It's just uncertain and the
track record there is not good. Yeah, I mean, I'm
the only thing is if you think maybe Alex Smith
can come back and play, maybe, But I just that's
a that's a that's a major, major reacher. You know,
maybe he gets kind of like McDermott got in Buffalo,
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a chance to hire a Brandon being another guy who
he's close to, who he thinks can um he's speaking
of the Carolina and not replacing the McDermott's of this world.
Was it financial? Was it was Jerry Richardson not willing
to pay to get the quality assistance he used to have. Well,
I don't have the impression. You know, they brought in
a loft turner. I'm sure that didn't come in cheap.
So I don't have the impression that that's the case.
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I guess we'll never know. And Ron is not the
type of guy that's gonna, you know, run out there
and make excuses or say something that's so we'll probably
you know, never know, um, but some of the coaches
you brought in earlier were guys that many people still consider,
you know, up and coming guys. It weren't super expensive.
So if he needed to go find the next version
of Sean McDermott, Remember, Sean got fired in Philadelphia although
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he was highly respected and we all thought that in
time he would be an excellent, not only coordinated, but
a head coach. UM. So he was able to find
those kind of guys that had a lot of potential
and put together staff that you know, I would have
called one of the better young steps in the league.
He's gotta and that doesn't need to be young, but
he's gonna get back to that quality of coach. Yeah,
I have I do have it. This is a question
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I've never asked you. I was I've asked other people
in the league For people to remember, McDermott was the
air a parent of the young when when Jim Johnson
got sick and passed away, he was the legendary defensive
coordinator in Philadelphia. He retired because he was ill. I mean,
Dermott took over and as you point out, he got fired.
How does a guy go from not working there as
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in Philadelphia under any Reid too, now in Buffalo years later.
I mean, look, he took Caroline to the super Bowl
with their defense and now in Buffalo two playoffs in
three years. How does how does it not work in
a place like Philadelphia where everything else seemingly had worked. Yeah,
so first of all, let me tell you, I think
we made a mistake, and well, let Sean goes. So
I owned my piece of that, and I think other
people they would probably agree. But I can tell you
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what the thinking was at the time. Um, we had
a really good team that we thought was ready to
win a Super Bowl, and we thought Sewan needs a
little bit more time before he was going to be
a top tier defensive coordinator. Again, I think in hindsight
that was a mistake. But if I just say, well,
what were you thinking at the time that some of
the true got to be such a good coordinator and
now such a good head coach or actually let go,
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you know, that was what the thinking was. It was
a mistake. We should have stuck with him longer. And
he would have proven himself to you know, not only
be good, but be ready. Um. And he went on
to prove that in other places. And he's a great
guy and all of us are really happy for his success.
But that was a mistake in thinking at the moment,
was that we were ready to win right then and
he needs a little more time before he's gonna be
a top tier coordinator. He also switched. We really liked
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the style of coordinator that Jim was. It was very aggressive.
He blitzed a lot. Um. Sean is a more conservative
play caller. UM. So I think we were also, you know,
a little bit surprised by that and thinking we wanted
somebody a little bit more aggressive. But the truth is
he was always a very good coach and we made
a mistake when we let him though we should have
kept him. Not a fascinating point if you were Tom
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tallesco Okay Chargers last year tied for the best record
in the NFC, did get a playoff win over Baltimore
on the road, and then they got blown out by
the Patriots. This year was supposed to be a great year,
and everything went wrong, right from running back holding out
to massive injuries but more than anything, Philip Rivers declined,
it was pretty obvious. He got a legendary player who
says he wants to keep playing. Is an under contract?
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What do you do if you're t LESCo. So the
first thing I do is I fixed my offensive line
because I don't think we can feel Rivers a fair
chance to succeed behind that offensive line. And you've heard
from this from me before, um and you know, listen,
you'd have to be in the practice and in the
meetings to see whether you really feel like has Philip
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just you know, his age gotten the best of him
and at this point he's not what he was, or
is he maybe not what he was, but still good
enough to win if he can surround him the right way.
But you take an older, not mobile quarterback. We would
see this a little bit with Tom Brady, and you
put him in a situation where you know he's gonna
face more pressure that he's probably faith today at the time,
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his career is just not a formula for success. So
you know, I'm sitting with the coaches and I'm trusting
what I saw in practice and really making a hard
decision that we probably don't have enough information to make
whether I feel like it was the circumstances that made
Philip look is bad as he did, or it's just
you know, finally time caught up with him. Um. But
no matter who they put back there, you know, they
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better give him the proper protection. They're going to continue
to have the same kind of problems. I would bend
over backwards to find a way to keep Philip. If
I didn't feel I can practice, I would sit just
seeing a situation that was just time to just be
honest about where we were at and move on. Okay,
so let's let's talk about those Patriots. Are they in
fact done? I think they're done. I too. I mean
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I think they're certainly done in terms of winning the
Super Bowl. I think they have a real chance of
losing in the first round of the playoffs. Um. And
I said that before they lost last week, I thought
they were having a buy and they were gonna be
the two seed. And I still just couldn't see them, Um,
you know, advancing very far in the playoffs. I mean,
the defense is built on a coverage and you know,
when you get to play just better teams week after week,
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if you don't really have the type of pass rush
that the really good teams have. You're hard pressed to
beat the really good teams in the playoffs, so you know,
and obviously the deterior and a lack of weapons offenses
is really, really, really evident. So I do think they're done.
H A lot of people have said that, eat their
words the first year I've said it, and we'll see
if it's right or not. Joe, great stuff, great candor
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and honesty. On a day like today where I know
a lot of people are calling you to have you
on the radio, thank you so much for joining us.
We really appreciate your time. My pleasure, all right, it,
said Joe Banner, former CEO of the Browns. Be sure
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on the Doug Gottleib Show. Isaac Lowen call wents the
game today, Doug, what are the chances that John Romo's
is going to tell me what we're playing? What are
the chances? Oops? I kind of spoiled that, didn't I?
All right? What? Ryan Pace committed? Mitchell Trabisky for excuse me,
I read that wrong. Ryan Pace committed to Mitchell Trobinsky.
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For what are the chances Trabinsky is indeed the Bears
starting quarterback in Week one of next season. M good question.
I'm gonna go. Look, I do think there are some
other options out there. Are Marcus Mariotta, for example, uh
is out there. There's other athletic quarterbacks their pot committed
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though this Ryan Pace traded up and passed on Jameis Winston,
passed on Pat Mahomes. So you can fire you know,
Mark Helfrid, who's a great dude and a good offensive
mind and likely to turn to college or or work
with us here at Fox UM. But it's not gonna.
I don't believe that fixes the fact that Traubinsky is
just not that good. Um. On the other hand, they're
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gonna try and ride or die with him because he
did have some good moments and the Bears were eight
and eight at the end of the day. Let's talk
about another Bears team. What are the chances Matt Rule
is the head coach for the Baylor Bear is next season.
I'm gonna also do I think there's a job that
meant Rule will lead for yes, I know he said
he plans to stay, but plans do change based upon
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the job that could be offered, you know, like if
the Cowboys job comes open, they offer him, but it's
a really hard one to turn down when you're a bailor. Um.
I think he likes what he has. I think the
college lifestyle is a good one. I think you make
a ton of money in a small town like Waco.
You can put a bunch away, you know, and you
you kind of ask yourself, like what am I really
chasing after? You know, he hasn't caught it at Baylor yet,
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but clearly turned that thing around. And you know, I
I do believe that it's a good life. You know,
you can get a ten year contract, you make four
or five million dollars. It's like, you know, could I
could I make more money in the NFL? Sure, but
you can be fired in one year. Whereas Baylor, you
build a good enough program, it's pretty hard for them
to get rid of you. Speaking of the NFL, what
are the chances that the New York Jets trade Levy
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on Bell this offseason? I'd say sixty chance. You know, look,
no one in that building now would have done that
deal if they were, we're put in position to make
that decision. No one, no one. On the other hand, UM,
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on the other hand, like, look, they have him, they
paid a bunch of money up front, and you don't
want to just it's it's like, um, it's like if
you have a car guy, and you got a lease
on a car, and you know, you drive for the
first year, and you're like, man, why did I Why
am I paying a thousand a month on this car
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when you know, for one I could get you know,
a slightly lesser version brand new and drive around on
the lease. On the other hand, to get out of
the lease, you know you're gonna have to pay a
bunch of money and then have to pay the down
payment to get that one. Whereas you already pay the
down payment, you already paying already, you got like two
years left. You're like, all right, to just swallow hard
and finishes up. That's where the Jets are with Levan Bell.
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It's the last time I tell you about my car
leasing woes in the New York area. Um, all right,
what are the chances Eli Manning retires this offseason? I
paused there because I was under the impression that he
had already been retired from quite some time. He has
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announced he's tiring you. I thought that was Peyton. I
know he's retired. Chance. Chance, Do I think you know
you could come back to the Giants and some you know,
old man roll Maybe I think Kettleman's already got the
old man rolled down. But Dave Gettleman, we hired four
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computer guys to do that computer thing with the thing
with the guy with the thing we're gonna set up
on my Space page. What are the chances a wild
card team beats a division winner this weekend? Oh, so
that's what Seattle? Who else? So we got Seattle at Philadelphia,
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We got the Bills at the Texans, the Titans at
the Patriots, and the Vikings at the Saints. Knowing the Vikings,
I don't think on Seattle, but I would say there's
a chance usually happens. Picking that one is gonna be hard.
This is game time on the Duck Gottlieb Show. Fox
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This is the best of the dog Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Boom, What Up America? Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, last show of two thousand nineteen. Can't
wait till two thousand twenty. Who was with me? Huh
you you tough year? Yep uh. Kind of a tough
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year in Cleveland. That's where we'll begin. We'll cover the
bull season. What I think is taking place in the
ball games that upcoming, like the truth to the ball games.
Got a little NBA stuff, Happy birthday to Lebron James. Right,
Ron James thirty five at thirty birthday yesterday, Lots of stuff.
(00:47):
Antonio Brown is like I actually was on TV last
week and people were talking about Antonio Brown playing in
the Nation Football League this year. It's like, no, he's not.
And I he continues to dig a grave for himself
and then pull out the pistol and attempt to shoot
himself so that he will he will see his football
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grave very very soon if he hasn't already. Um, there's
discussion about the Patriots. We got to get that. Let's
start with the news of the day that said John
Dorsey is out. He has done, he is finished. He
was relieved of his duties. Who is he He's offered
(01:28):
a demotion? Actually, wait, so I get paid to not
do anything? Uh, I guess I'm gonna pass. But John Dorsey,
who is all had no cattle, right, this is what
he's done before. This is the path that he went
down in Kansas City, which ultimately led to his ouster
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in Kansas City. Let's not give him credit for Mahomes.
We have to give him credit for some of the
other key personnel pieces that he brought to the Kansas
City Chiefs, even Tyreek Hill. But Tyreek Hill, as much
as that was absolutely a hit, the fact is that
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Tyreek Hill is part and parcel to the narrative and
the story that is John Dorsey, which is, hey, let's
just go get the best players and they'll figure it out.
And that doesn't work because football, though, you have to
have the Jimmy's and the Joe's, and the exes and
the Ohs. There's a chemistry to it. There is the
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idea of making yourself a football team that plays from
one another and wants to accomplish a common goal. And
he could never really crack that code, and he got fired,
not for any other reason than the decisions that he
made at head coach and how that affected his quarterback.
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The lack of discipline. I actually commend Jimmy HASSLM. Jimmy
has them identified the problem. Here's the problem. Baker Mayfield
has no discipline. The football team has no discipline. That
falls on the coach, but also on the guy who
decided to hire the coach, And so Dorsey lost his
gig and by the way, Baker Mayfield lost the only
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advocates he had in that building. Don't get me wrong,
I'm sure Jimmy has some likes him. He's made him
a lot of money. He sold a lot of jerseys.
But with all of the hullabaloo, all of the palaver
about Baker Mayfield, all of the discussion about him, the
fact is that John Dorsey was the one who empowered him,
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calling him Brett Farves the next Bret Farve, and um,
you know, his head coach also ignited that flame. The
Browns remind me in many ways of legends of the Fall.
You remember, like God, I'm I'm actually getting old now,
(04:04):
let's be the Fall is nineteen and ninety four, my goodness.
So when I tell you that the the Academy Award
winner for Best Art Direction, Best Sound Mixing. You know
when I tell you that gave us a great movie,
you be like, I kind of remember that movie. Brad Pitt,
Anthony Hopkins, Aidan Quinn remember this movie anybody, um even
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Bart the Bear, which is a real bear who has
a scene at the end of the movie. Basically, all
you need to know is it's a terrible story about
family in Montana and everybody dies. And that's how the
Cleveland Browns feel like today. Baker Mayfield didn't lose his
job today, didn't get cut today, but it shure feels
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like at the end of this movie, everybody dies. There's
a cutaway to Baker in a beard with a beard
somewhere in Montana fighting a bear and ultimately the bears
lays him. That's what this feels like. That's what it
feels like. And whether it's the expectation of a number
one overall pick or the fact that's Cleveland being Cleveland.
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When you've heard so many such a mixed bag of
names for the head coaching job, you know that there's
two different, two different lea leaking sources. One was John Dorsey,
who wanted, you know, an actual coach who would take
the job and take orders. The other was Jimmy Haslum,
who's willing to bring in somebody who's gonna bring in
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their own guy. And now you know where they're going.
They will not go with an inexperience coach. They will
go with coach maybe an experience, but he will be
tied to whatever GM or whatever president is calling the shots.
That's the way these things go. If you ask yourself,
how the hell the Buffalo Bills go from the laughing
stock of the NFL that can't get right, team with
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the longest playoff drought in the league, two to playoff
appearances in three years. What do they do? They hired
a young defensive coordinate or fresh office super Bowl appearance,
and truth is, Sean McDermott actually came off of a
bad defensive years the year after Josh Norman left and
they had two rookie defensive backs, but McDermott helped take
them to a Super Bowl, and he brought in his
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own guy, Brandon Bean, and together collectively they've put together
an outstanding young athletic roster on defense and managed a young,
inexperienced inaccurate quarterback on offense. And it's worked. It's worked.
If last year was about Sean McVeigh and anyone that
knows or deals with Sean McVeigh, they would get a
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head coaching job. This year feels like the McDermott year.
A guy like McDermott or somebody who's worked under McDermott,
those are the guys who get those opportunities. Get a
coach with a GM, get lockstep, established the culture, win
with defense, protect the football, run the football, and just
manage the fact you have a young quarterback who's under
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club control and not making a ton of money. And
so when I hear names like Urban Meyer, I knew
that John Dorsey was gonna get fired. When you hear
names like, um, what's his name in New England, Josh McDaniels,
you knew John Dorsey was gonna get fired all right,
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Like Josh mcdown is not coming from Cleveland to work
for John Dorsey, like, and that's not happening. Even Mike McCarthy,
who has been rumored Mike McCarthy and John Dorsey worked
together in Green Bay. John Dorsey didn't hire him last year.
When Mike McCarthy was on the market, and so you know,
if Mike McCarthy were to get the job, John Dorsey
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wasn't gonna be around. But whether it's the the inability
to manage expectations, the inability to manage discipline of a
football team, poor planning, the wrong coach for the right team,
a lack of discipline, or just a dysfunctional you know,
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island of misfit toys, the Browns of the Browns. The
organization has only made the playoffs once since its existence
in and I credit Jimmy has them. I credit Dan Snyder.
Of course, Dan Snyder has hired a coach, but two
guys who have been seen as kind of power playing
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owners who will wield their power and try to make
some football decisions. Those are guys who, at least in
the last forty eight hours, have said, you know, I
really don't know. I really don't know. I'll let somebody
else know. I'll let somebody else figure it out. I'll
hire a team of people who will work together. Because
(08:58):
just like we started sing that football four players wins
because of guys working together, working together also works in
the front office. It's one of the great things about
Fox and Fox Sports Radio is we actually work together,
We actually have guys that like each other and pull
forward one another and not against one another. Happy New
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Year to you, unless, of course, you're in Cleveland. If
you're a Browns fan, you're rolling your eyes and you're
saying again and I thought would be. I don't think
a successful season is that far off. The Steelers are,
whether they like it or not. They're in a transition mode.
Right Big Ben comes back and plays how many how
much time does he have left? Coming off of Tommy
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John in his late thirties, looking like one of the
characters from Legends of the Fall with that grizzly beard.
The Bengals are still the Bengals. Yeah, the Ravens are
the best team in the league right now, but that
style has not lasted yet in the NFL, and even
if it does, one great team does not a division make.
The Browns have really good personnel. They need a really
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good coach and a really good present and a really
good GM and they have that opportunity only by getting
rid of John Dorsey, which they did today. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays
at three pm. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. To this point, Jason
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Garrett appears to be able to survive two thousand nineteen
as head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. That's because Jane Slater,
who she has a podcast called what's it called the
Boys and Girl Boys and Girl podcast, very catchy heard
podcast network. She has a a pod that that we
(10:51):
run on the Herd podcast network. She reports that no
decision has been made. There was a meeting between Jason
Garrett and Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones whenever, and no
decision was made. It was just like waiting for the pope. Right,
is the white of the black smoke that there's no
new pope. It is the white smoke. White smoke is
no new pope. That no black smoke is no nephite
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smoke is a new post. So black smoke as of
now coming out of the star right, which is where
Jerry Jones calls home. Black smoke as of now. Um okay,
that's interesting, no white smoke. Here are my thoughts on
why the Cowboys have made a change yet really hard
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to fire family, you know, like anybody else is just
a guy. Jerry legitimately likes Jason Garrett, like they have
a long time relationship and and look, Jason has put
up with Jerry being Jerry for a long time. By
the way, there's a score in the Kentucky Virginia game.
(12:00):
It's a one point game. I will not share with
you how that game just ended. I do want to
know what the line was, because there's a dramatic effect
on people in the wa Gas anyway. Um, look, it's
just it's hard to fire family, you know, it's hard
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to go through it. So it's hard to go through
a divorce because it's not just the breaking up of
a couple. People break up all the time, but now
a sudden you're breaking up a family. Now one person
has to live somewhere else right now. It gets kind
of icky when you get to okay, what about weddings
and and family get togethers and holidays and who gets
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who and who gets what? Like that ain't cool. That's
the worst part, which is like the best part of
being in a family. It can be kind of awkward
at times, right, but it's it's it's hard to cut
family out. And I think that Jerry legit likes Jason
Garrett I do think he wanted him to succeed. I
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think he gave him what he thinks was as many
opportunities to dig himself out of the hole, and it
didn't work, even if many of the things he did
and the ways in which he did him were the
wrong way to do him. I think in his own mind,
Jerry's sitting there going I fire him. Am I cutting
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this guy out of the family. That's a hard thing
to do. When Bill Parcels left. Bill Parcels is not
synonymous with the Cowboys. Chan Gailey not synonymous with the Cowboys. Wait,
Phillips not synonymous with the Cowboys. I go through the
coaches that they've had that they're not even Jimmy Johnson
or Barry Switzer, like these guys were not synonymous with
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the Cowboys. Jason Garrett, though he hasn't accomplished great things,
he has had the most successful seasons in twenty years
with the Cowboys to out the last three. And he's
a cowboy way So how does he keep Jason Garrett
as a Cowboy and yet make a coaching change and
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make his team better. That's you struggle with, and I'm
sure it's hard to find that guy. Then people would like, wait,
it's the Cowboys. As er Meyer said, anybody should run
to take that job. Yeah. The problem is coaching the
Cowboys is a lot like you go into a buddy's
house and trying to use his remote tonight. It can
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be the easiest, most useful remote ever. You ever seen
those digital ones where all you gotta do is press
the button and it's like and then has you can
even have the like the logos like Fox, ESPN, CBS,
just press the button. But then you're like, all right,
how do you turn it up? Oh? Man, I have
no idea. I want to watch Netflix. Oh here's what
you gotta do. You gotta go to that other remote
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or you gotta press auxiliary, And then you get like
what the Cowboys are wired a certain way. Jerry and
Steven make the player acquisitions. And by the way, if
you want to sit here and tell me that doesn't work.
Why does everybody think the Cowboys have really good players?
So now they want to go hire a coach, But
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all the good coaches want to pick their own players
and don't want their own or having press conferences. So
I feel like the Cowboys are a little bit of that.
Really fancy remote that your buddy has, and while it
should be easy to use, you're like, man, what is this?
And it's not like you're gonna replace that remote. You
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played a thousand dollars for the thing to get hooked
up and wired and lined up hard to fire. Family, man,
that's why you don't work with family. But if you
don't work with family, there is a certain mercenary lack
of feeling and relationship and warmth to the entire thing.
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Let's welcome in. Joe Banner, of course, was the general
manager of the Cleveland Browns for making his way to
uh uh to broadcasting, and he joins us now on
the Doug got Leave Show on Fox Sports Radio. Joe,
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what's your reaction would happened in Cleveland today? I think
I was the first person put in the Jimmy Haslin
electric chair, so I'm I'm not surprised to see things continuing.
And it's hard to understand. I mean, you know, I
understood the coach obviously. You know they made a mistake.
They recognized it, which is what you need to do,
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and moved on. But you look at John Doussey's moves
over two years and compared to any of the other
general managers out there, and has worked for four years
in Kansas City. I mean, it's really really hard to understand,
you know what the restaurant would be here. I mean,
he's brought in a lot of good players there. He's
made some mistakes. You know, there's coaching higher obviously was
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a mistake that he has to own a piece of
although no coach gets hired without an owner being involved,
are proving it and supporting it just doesn't happen. I
don't care who you are, you gonna be a Hall
of Fame general manager. So you know, it's more of
the same. And you know, will they find some people
at some point that they get comfortable enough with it,
they give him a long enough chance to really see
what they can do. You know, it remains to be seen.
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You know, we just started. I get fired. It was
actually doing a good job. So it's a it's a pattern.
If if I were to if I were to tell you, okay, look,
it is a pattern. He didn't bring in good, good,
good players. But Dorsey's kind of m O is just
go and get good players, and it's been a lack
of I don't know if I want to say character,
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but but in terms of team building, that's maybe what's
missing in his style, even going back to the kan
City days. Is that a fair way to look at Dorsey? Listen,
I could give you criticism this of Dorsey or moves
that I didn't think that he made that we're good,
but you know, we was sitting on a day where
Dave Gentleman and and Caldwell were retained as general managers,
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and uh, you know, we've compare that to the success
rate of a Dorsee for example, it's like night and day.
I mean, you know, I compare him to some of
the better generalmanas in the league, and again I can
absolutely makes pick out some mistakes. I do think he's
much more focused on bringing in kind of individual talent
and thinking about how built the team. I think that's
a very fair and accurate description. But you know, the
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guys demonstrate an ability to accurately evaluate players, lay the foundation.
I mean, there were a lot of people talking about
this team being talent enough to go to the Super Bowl.
You know I wasn't amongst them before the season, But
how do you go from that making a mistake and
picking a head coach that kind of depresses the achievements
of the team to you know, not even being part
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of the organization going forward. You know, it's rare for
general managers not to get more than two years, and
when they do, there's usually a very clear track record
of significant numbers of mistakes. I like to call it
a low batting average. It's just not the case here.
I mean, they were definitely mistakes, but you know, his
track record over two years actually has some really really
good moves and big successes in it. Uh, and some
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clear mistakes. It's just that it warranted more time, I
guess is my point to give him a chance to put,
you know, lay out his plan and see where it
ended up. Okay, what if I told you that in
order to get the coaches they want to get, that
guy had to bring in his own guy. Would would
that be a reason for termination? So if I had
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finished the search an interviewed, I mean, I think they
put in something like it doesn't requests at this point.
It's kind of crazy, But I had to finished the
search and I had a clear cut guy that I
thought was the answer for the future, and the only
way I could get him was to make a change
of general manager. I would do that. I think the
coach is the most important person to bring into the organization,
most important person to hire, and if you have to
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make some sacrifices or even move on from some people
that you think have some talent to do it, I
would do that. But they haven't even started the interviews.
I mean, there are people that are interested in that
I know of that would love to have worked with John,
and there's some people that interested in that I know
would prefer to have brought in their own person and
not work with John. So valid question. Under the right circumstances,
yes it would justify making a change, but we're not
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there right now. They could end up hiring one of
the guys. Are feeling the best guy they interviewed as
somebody that was actually very confluent, John felt good about
the movie, may in fact was partially interested in the
job because they thought the roster was strong. So I just,
I just I don't see how the timing of this
kind of fits with that being the explanation you know
for it, and you know, it's combined with a you know,
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this is the seventh year they've owned the team, and uh,
you know, depending up on how you want to come
like an interim coach. I mean, they're basically looking for
the seventh coach and the seven years they've owned the team.
I think it's a fourth or fifth general manager. I
was the CEO for one year. I think I did
enough on the one year and had an eight year
tractor when I got there that deserved more time. So
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I said to them earlier today, there's only two possibilities
unless somebody give you a third. They're either absolutely horrendous
at hiring, like beyond horrendous maybe you know the US
we've seen any owner in any sport, or they're just
not giving some pretty good people enough time to succeed.
I don't know what could be the third explanation, and
neither of those are very good. Joe Banner joining US,
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former CEO of the Cleveland Browns and the day in
which the Cleveland Browns believed John Dorsey of his of
his duties. Is Baker Mayfield the guy to leave the
lead the Browns out of this waste land. Well again,
he's got to get the right leader of that team
to answer that question. You know, I was the top
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quarterbacks in this league are smart guys who are incredibly accurate,
and they have adequate arm strength. And he has those
three things. Now he also has as a personality, can
be very difficult. I don't know if it's just immaturity
or it's who he is. Um, he's highly competitive. So
I actually believe that in time he's going to prove
to at least be a good quarterback. Not what we
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saw this year. Um, But obviously at this point that's
a projection. And we're going to see Joe Banners owning
us on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Why why the delay
in the Cowboys? Right like Jason's contract is up. They
underachieved you know, in the if John Dorsey didn't get
enough time, Jason Garrett has gotten more than enough time.
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Why do you think we haven't heard any news from Dallas. Well,
the only explanation that I've heard that makes any sense
at all is that just they they're going to just
kind of quietly let the contract expire, as opposed to
kind of you know, putting a coach and his family
through the uncomfortableness of announcing he's been fired. And I'm
not even sure that makes sense, but per absolutely nothing
(22:37):
else that even makes any sense at all. I mean,
I don't think there's any doubt that he's gone. Uh
And I can't give you a good reason they should.
They should just do it. Move on. It's had its time.
I agree with you, he had even more time than
than maybe most people would have given him. Move on,
get the thing cleaned up. It's better for him, you know,
let him see what else may be out there for him,
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or just start to deal whatever his future is gonna be.
And you know, Jerry needs to get gone on. What's
going to be next? Doug got leave? Show you on
Fox Sports TREDI Uh, okay, So what about that job?
That one's a little trickier because whoever you hire, end
of the day, they got to answer to to Jerry
and Stephen, they're gonna make the calls. Is that as
Is that as attractive a job as many the media
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think it is. I listen, I think it's a good job.
I mean, I think that Jerry takes, in my opinion,
more criticism than he deserves in terms of his GM function.
I mean, that's one of the better rosters in the league,
and he's I think we're lying on will Clay more
and more as time has gone on. Stephen Jones seems
to be a positive voice in the equation over time.
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And the truth is they've managed to put together a
good team, a team that should be winning more than
it is. So, you know, I Jerry's visibility, Jerry's you know,
talking to the media as much as he does. These
are real challenges and no coach, you know, wants to
deal with more than they have to. So those are
certainly to be considered it. You know, in the end
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of it, they're putting together a roster fifty three guys.
It should be winning. It is a good thing. What
more do you want out of the front office. And
they're willing to spend whatever it takes to win. And
there's no owner that wants to win any more than Jerry.
There are other owners that winners want to win. Is bad. So,
you know, I think if I was advising somebody who
was a head coach, I would I think it would
be a good place to go. The same question for
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the Washington Redskins. They hired a coach, the guy who
is well respected, but there's been so many of like, hey,
look at the Washington Redskins track record. All the guys
that have tried there has failed that they have, you know,
an owner that has been widely criticized. They cleaned house
for most parts in their front office. What are your
thoughts on what the Redskins have decided thus far? Yeah,
so a totally different answer from me. I mean, I
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haven't been a big supporter of the front office and
the decisions in the ownership situation and Washington. I worked
with Ron Rivere for I think it was seven years.
No run. Well, he is the great guy everybody describes
the great leaders will get head coach. But now the
challenge here is Ron put together a great staff when
he's usually hired in Carolina. As time has gone on,
he hasn't really replaced the people that he's lost with
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the equal caliber. So he's really got to go back
to his roots and really put together a great staff here.
And then they got to hire a jone manager and
trust that Dan really means it when he says he's
going to get out of the way. Hard to believe.
He just forced them to pick a quarterback that at
best there was some difference of opinion in the building
about So I'm a lot more skeptical. If I got
to choose of the jobs available this year, that would
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certainly be leased and compared to Dallas, it's not even
close to me. I mean I would be I'd be
worried about taking that job. It's just uncertain and the
track record there is not good. Yeah, I mean, I'm
the only thing is if you think maybe Alex Smith
can come back and play, maybe, But I just that's
a that's a that's a major, major reacher. You know,
maybe he gets kind of like McDermott got in Buffalo,
(25:51):
a chance to hire a Brandon being another guy who
he's close to, who he thinks can um he's speaking
of the Carolina and not replacing the McDermott's of this world.
Was it financial? Was it was Jerry Richardson not willing
to pay to get the quality assistance he used to have. Well,
I don't have the impression. You know, they brought in
a loft turner. I'm sure that didn't come in cheap.
So I don't have the impression that that's the case.
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I guess we'll never know. And Ron is not the
type of guy that's gonna, you know, run out there
and make excuses or say something that's so we'll probably
you know, never know, um, but some of the coaches
you brought in earlier were guys that many people still consider,
you know, up and coming guys. It weren't super expensive.
So if he needed to go find the next version
of Sean McDermott, Remember, Sean got fired in Philadelphia although
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he was highly respected and we all thought that in
time he would be an excellent, not only coordinated, but
a head coach. UM. So he was able to find
those kind of guys that had a lot of potential
and put together staff that you know, I would have
called one of the better young steps in the league.
He's gotta and that doesn't need to be young, but
he's gonna get back to that quality of coach. Yeah,
I have I do have it. This is a question
(26:55):
I've never asked you. I was I've asked other people
in the league For people to remember, McDermott was the
air a parent of the young when when Jim Johnson
got sick and passed away, he was the legendary defensive
coordinator in Philadelphia. He retired because he was ill. I mean,
Dermott took over and as you point out, he got fired.
How does a guy go from not working there as
(27:18):
in Philadelphia under any Reid too, now in Buffalo years later.
I mean, look, he took Caroline to the super Bowl
with their defense and now in Buffalo two playoffs in
three years. How does how does it not work in
a place like Philadelphia where everything else seemingly had worked. Yeah,
so first of all, let me tell you, I think
we made a mistake, and well, let Sean goes. So
I owned my piece of that, and I think other
people they would probably agree. But I can tell you
(27:39):
what the thinking was at the time. Um, we had
a really good team that we thought was ready to
win a Super Bowl, and we thought Sewan needs a
little bit more time before he was going to be
a top tier defensive coordinator. Again, I think in hindsight
that was a mistake. But if I just say, well,
what were you thinking at the time that some of
the true got to be such a good coordinator and
now such a good head coach or actually let go,
(28:00):
you know, that was what the thinking was. It was
a mistake. We should have stuck with him longer. And
he would have proven himself to you know, not only
be good, but be ready. Um. And he went on
to prove that in other places. And he's a great
guy and all of us are really happy for his success.
But that was a mistake in thinking at the moment,
was that we were ready to win right then and
he needs a little more time before he's gonna be
a top tier coordinator. He also switched. We really liked
(28:23):
the style of coordinator that Jim was. It was very aggressive.
He blitzed a lot. Um. Sean is a more conservative
play caller. UM. So I think we were also, you know,
a little bit surprised by that and thinking we wanted
somebody a little bit more aggressive. But the truth is
he was always a very good coach and we made
a mistake when we let him though we should have
kept him. Not a fascinating point if you were Tom
(28:44):
tallesco Okay Chargers last year tied for the best record
in the NFC, did get a playoff win over Baltimore
on the road, and then they got blown out by
the Patriots. This year was supposed to be a great year,
and everything went wrong, right from running back holding out
to massive injuries but more than anything, Philip Rivers declined,
it was pretty obvious. He got a legendary player who
says he wants to keep playing. Is an under contract?
(29:06):
What do you do if you're t LESCo. So the
first thing I do is I fixed my offensive line
because I don't think we can feel Rivers a fair
chance to succeed behind that offensive line. And you've heard
from this from me before, um and you know, listen,
you'd have to be in the practice and in the
meetings to see whether you really feel like has Philip
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just you know, his age gotten the best of him
and at this point he's not what he was, or
is he maybe not what he was, but still good
enough to win if he can surround him the right way.
But you take an older, not mobile quarterback. We would
see this a little bit with Tom Brady, and you
put him in a situation where you know he's gonna
face more pressure that he's probably faith today at the time,
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his career is just not a formula for success. So
you know, I'm sitting with the coaches and I'm trusting
what I saw in practice and really making a hard
decision that we probably don't have enough information to make
whether I feel like it was the circumstances that made
Philip look is bad as he did, or it's just
you know, finally time caught up with him. Um. But
no matter who they put back there, you know, they
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better give him the proper protection. They're going to continue
to have the same kind of problems. I would bend
over backwards to find a way to keep Philip. If
I didn't feel I can practice, I would sit just
seeing a situation that was just time to just be
honest about where we were at and move on. Okay,
so let's let's talk about those Patriots. Are they in
fact done? I think they're done. I too. I mean
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I think they're certainly done in terms of winning the
Super Bowl. I think they have a real chance of
losing in the first round of the playoffs. Um. And
I said that before they lost last week, I thought
they were having a buy and they were gonna be
the two seed. And I still just couldn't see them, Um,
you know, advancing very far in the playoffs. I mean,
the defense is built on a coverage and you know,
when you get to play just better teams week after week,
(30:51):
if you don't really have the type of pass rush
that the really good teams have. You're hard pressed to
beat the really good teams in the playoffs, so you know,
and obviously the deterior and a lack of weapons offenses
is really, really, really evident. So I do think they're done.
H A lot of people have said that, eat their
words the first year I've said it, and we'll see
if it's right or not. Joe, great stuff, great candor
(31:13):
and honesty. On a day like today where I know
a lot of people are calling you to have you
on the radio, thank you so much for joining us.
We really appreciate your time. My pleasure, all right, it,
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on the Doug Gottleib Show. Isaac Lowen call wents the
game today, Doug, what are the chances that John Romo's
is going to tell me what we're playing? What are
the chances? Oops? I kind of spoiled that, didn't I?
All right? What? Ryan Pace committed? Mitchell Trabisky for excuse me,
I read that wrong. Ryan Pace committed to Mitchell Trobinsky.
(32:01):
For what are the chances Trabinsky is indeed the Bears
starting quarterback in Week one of next season. M good question.
I'm gonna go. Look, I do think there are some
other options out there. Are Marcus Mariotta, for example, uh
is out there. There's other athletic quarterbacks their pot committed
(32:24):
though this Ryan Pace traded up and passed on Jameis Winston,
passed on Pat Mahomes. So you can fire you know,
Mark Helfrid, who's a great dude and a good offensive
mind and likely to turn to college or or work
with us here at Fox UM. But it's not gonna.
I don't believe that fixes the fact that Traubinsky is
just not that good. Um. On the other hand, they're
(32:46):
gonna try and ride or die with him because he
did have some good moments and the Bears were eight
and eight at the end of the day. Let's talk
about another Bears team. What are the chances Matt Rule
is the head coach for the Baylor Bear is next season.
I'm gonna also do I think there's a job that
meant Rule will lead for yes, I know he said
he plans to stay, but plans do change based upon
(33:08):
the job that could be offered, you know, like if
the Cowboys job comes open, they offer him, but it's
a really hard one to turn down when you're a bailor. Um.
I think he likes what he has. I think the
college lifestyle is a good one. I think you make
a ton of money in a small town like Waco.
You can put a bunch away, you know, and you
you kind of ask yourself, like what am I really
chasing after? You know, he hasn't caught it at Baylor yet,
(33:28):
but clearly turned that thing around. And you know, I
I do believe that it's a good life. You know,
you can get a ten year contract, you make four
or five million dollars. It's like, you know, could I
could I make more money in the NFL? Sure, but
you can be fired in one year. Whereas Baylor, you
build a good enough program, it's pretty hard for them
to get rid of you. Speaking of the NFL, what
are the chances that the New York Jets trade Levy
(33:51):
on Bell this offseason? I'd say sixty chance. You know, look,
no one in that building now would have done that
deal if they were, we're put in position to make
that decision. No one, no one. On the other hand, UM,
(34:14):
on the other hand, like, look, they have him, they
paid a bunch of money up front, and you don't
want to just it's it's like, um, it's like if
you have a car guy, and you got a lease
on a car, and you know, you drive for the
first year, and you're like, man, why did I Why
am I paying a thousand a month on this car
(34:34):
when you know, for one I could get you know,
a slightly lesser version brand new and drive around on
the lease. On the other hand, to get out of
the lease, you know you're gonna have to pay a
bunch of money and then have to pay the down
payment to get that one. Whereas you already pay the
down payment, you already paying already, you got like two
years left. You're like, all right, to just swallow hard
and finishes up. That's where the Jets are with Levan Bell.
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It's the last time I tell you about my car
leasing woes in the New York area. Um, all right,
what are the chances Eli Manning retires this offseason? I
paused there because I was under the impression that he
had already been retired from quite some time. He has
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announced he's tiring you. I thought that was Peyton. I
know he's retired. Chance. Chance, Do I think you know
you could come back to the Giants and some you know,
old man roll Maybe I think Kettleman's already got the
old man rolled down. But Dave Gettleman, we hired four
(35:38):
computer guys to do that computer thing with the thing
with the guy with the thing we're gonna set up
on my Space page. What are the chances a wild
card team beats a division winner this weekend? Oh, so
that's what Seattle? Who else? So we got Seattle at Philadelphia,
(36:00):
We got the Bills at the Texans, the Titans at
the Patriots, and the Vikings at the Saints. Knowing the Vikings,
I don't think on Seattle, but I would say there's
a chance usually happens. Picking that one is gonna be hard.
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