The reality facing the New York Giants

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But the news of the day is in the coaching landscape.
It started with Matt Rule, who was eleven and three
this year at Baylor. Remarkable turnaround. He did play at
Penn State under Joe Paterno. He coached for a season

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with the New York Giants. He had a dramatic turnaround
of Temple's program before the dramatic turnaround of Baylor's program,
So in terms of turning things around, he's terrific. Could
have stayed at Baylor for a lifetime deal, but not
being a Texan, Baylor, not being the premier job in
the league, even though it's a private school and you

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can make gobs and gobs of money, it does make
sense that it wasn't his last stop. Apparently the Giants
had him number one on the list, so did the Browns.
Of course, he wouldn't interview with the Browns and the
Giants to day got shunned because he decided to go
to Carolina take on take on the chore of resuscitating

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that the Panthers organization. The Giants were given a chance
to match, never actually interviewed him, and he ended up
passing because the money and the years was just more
in Carolina. So the Giants turned around and hired Joe
Judge as their head coach. Who right if Joe Judge

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signed up, Um signed on and had a press conference
and had a bozo clown knows and that was kind
of his stick. You would go okay, if Joe Judge
had three years, you'd go okay. You Joe Judge is
sitting next to me, you would no. Now, Joe Judge
meteorc rise. He's got some sabing who we worked for,

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He's got some belichick the Wide Receiving Corps. What's amazing
about him coming over from the Wide Receiving Corps of
the New England Patriots is wasn't that the worst part
of the Patriots? Right? I mean there is a little
bit of there is a little bit of you know,
you're going You're like, man, I love this house. I

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just I feel like whoever painted didn't do a great job.
So then all of a sudden, you go down the
street You're like, hey, you know there's a guy who's
building a house. It's like, you know the I'm using
a guy who built that guy's house down the street.
You looked at really, who is it? Well, he only
did one part of the job, the paint. Like why

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But but some of your ability as a wide receiving
coach is you gotta have some swag. Remember you're dealing
with a multitude of personalities, you know, from the corporate
nature of Benjamin Watson, who could run for senator someday,
to the kind of grindy, old school grittiness, toughness, respected,

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you know, Julian Edelman to the flamboyant Antonio Brown and
Josh Gordon who they've had. You gotta deal with a
bunch of different kinds of dudes, and that's what being
a head coach is, dealing with a bunch of personalities.
It's not always about X and os. But they did
go and get a who. Now. I told you a

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year before Brian Flores was hired, back when he was
you know, I think a special teams coach and assistant
like a linebackers coach that I had had. NFL people
say Brian Flores is going to be a head coach
within a year, and sure enough he's a head coach
and a good one with the Dolphins. Some guys you
just know, you just know. But Joe Judge, M So

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what's this about? How do you hire how do you
hire a Joe Judge? With the New York Giants. The
Giants are the biggest football team in the Big Apple.
The Giants are the second biggest sports franchise in terms
of popularity in the Big Apple. It would potentially be
third if the Knicks ever got it going. But you

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have Yankees one, Giants too, Nicks three. I would say, uh,
then you go to the Jets, then to the Mets,
then to the Rangers, then to the Nets in about
that order, and then the Islanders. How could this possibly be?

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How could you go? How could you be? The New
York Football Giants who two years ago and you guys,
tell me if I'm wrong two years ago it's Doug
Otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Two years ago when they
were drafting in the top five. Do you remember when
everyone said about the Giants drafting the top five, you
should take a enter back because the Giants are never

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in the top five. Now Here we are in the
third year where the Giants are drafting inside the top ten,
and you start to realize, Man, this thing was in
need of a complete redo. But I would say, the
answer is really as simple as you think it is.

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Jobs are not necessarily about anything other than who you're
working for. Right, Management makes a a huge difference. Cowhard
says this all the time, and he's right, Like, my
boss is here just good dudes, easy to work with.

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Tell him something, be up front, you got an issue,
Go hey, here's what happened. I'm like, all right, because
they've seen it all, they've done it all, and they
have the respect of their bosses. It's not that Dave
Gettleman is a terrible general manager. Look, he's had to
plug a bunch of leaks. He's had to do what

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Jerry Reese was unable to do, rebuild the offensive line,
get a star running back, and get a quarterback of
the future. I still would have taken Sam Donald, but
it's not like se Kwon Barkley stinks. And you know,
with the exception of the fumbles, Danny Dimes was way
better than anyone could have thought. And based upon how

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how Dwayne Haskins played, it appears like they didn't make
the worst pick of all time. But between not being
able to pick your own GM, between some fairly obvious
limitations at the quarterback, and Dave Gettleman's bizarre press conferences

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like last week when he said we hired four computer folks.
That's how he describes his analytics department. It ain't like
the best and the brightest of the NFL are like, dude,
get out of my way. I want to be a
coach of the Giants now. Yesterday Mike McCarthy was met

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with a yawn. But I told you McCarthy was one
of the few guys with a resume who's willing to
take orders from Jerry Jones, which includes keeping the offensive coordinator.
I told you why Cleveland fired their uh general manager.

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It wasn't just because of the decisions he made head coach,
coordinator and quarterback. It was because there's a limited pool
of guys who wanted to work for him. And if
you want to go deep into who wanted to work
for him, it would have been a Joe Judge, somebody
with no power. Some of the no pull I think

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people are missing just how respected the Bills turn around is.
The Bills hired Sean mcd hermit, who's the defense according
with the Carolina Panthers. He in turn went and hired
one of his boys to be the general manager. And
the Bills have been the playoffs two of the last
three years with marginal at best quarterback play. That's what

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everyone wants. Get to the playoffs, get competitive, work together,
and if you're not going to fire your general manager.
And he's a guy who, like, what are his connections?
Pretty obvious that Gettleman I didn't want to, you know,
didn't have a good relationship with Ron Rivera. Ron Rivera
wanted to do his own thing. That's why Rivera took

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on an inferior roster, well a complicated relationship with its owner,
because Ron Rivera is gonna get to pick a general manager.
So this is what keeping Dave Gettleman limits you too.
It doesn't mean that Joe Judge won't work. It doesn't
mean that it's the worst higher of all time, because

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in truth, you don't know, and neither do I. You know,
America would lead you to believe that how can Eric B.
Enemy not get the job? He's the offensive court and
but he's now he's really just a he's a running
backs coach, and two people have actually done research. He's
not seen as a leader of men like Eric B.
Enemy is the same guy he was as a fiery

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running back out of Colorado played in the NFL. You know,
a guy who runs hot and cold with people. Pat
Mahomes was great with or without Eric B. Enemy, and
so too is Andy Reid. Doesn't mean he can't be
a head coach. But there's a bit of a reputation
that's established, and there's not a ton of people coming

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out of what we're saying inside the NFL saying, Eric
b Enemy. What's amazing about it? Was Jason Garrett earlier
in the day was rumored to be on his way
to New York to interview with the Giants, and that
was at with laughs and jokes and chuckles. Jason Garrett

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has a tremendous resume in comparison to anybody out in
the market, especially Joe Judge. But with that resume comes
the fact that the Giants have seen the Cowboys for
years and there's a certain of really, we're gonna take
a guy who couldn't coach the Cowboys to be the
coach of the Giants. What's your choice now? So here's

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the summation. It's really hard to find a really good
NFL coach. It just is. I mean, Nick Sabans is
good at college coach as there has ever been. He
failed in the NFL. Steve Spurrier, he failed in the NFL.
I could go through a laundry list. So the idea
that you're gonna hire somebody out of college and that's

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gonna work. You don't know, It's almost impossible to steal
a coach in the NFL. The Tampa Buccaneers did it
and got Jon Gruden, who won them a Super Bowl.
But those guys are few and far between, and they
have to be extremely unhappy and the owner has to
be motivated to allow them out or to make a trade.

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And so your pool of candidates is already shrinking, far
more so than any fan would lead you to believe.
Then you combined it with the fact that you're keeping
your general manager, it shrinks your pool even more. The
moment they made the decision to keep Dave Gettlman, you

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eliminated the possibility of Josh mctanos, Bill Belichick, Matt Rule,
you know, or of uh Ron Rivera. That's what it does.
It doesn't mean that you're not going to pick a
good coach. It just means it shrinks your possibilities. You know,

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here's one last parallel. It's you know, when you're in
my kids are and my daughters are entering high school
next year, Like, does a SEE in their first semester
mean they won't go to college? No, but a C
in their first semester probably takes Harvard off the list.

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I mean, look at my kids, hard probably the list anyway.
And let's just gotta be honest, right, I mean, they're
kind of j CC kids at j C kids anyway,
but it shrinks your pool. So I don't know if
Dave Yettlman did a terrible job. I know that in
the NFL, who nobody cares you in a press conference,

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don't care. But there's a reason behind it, and I
those reasons are now stated, alright. I think that Joe
Judge Higher says a lot about another team in the NFL,
and it ain't a good sign. I'll explain that next.
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gott Leap Show week he said, three pm Easter noon
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Ah app So the Joe Judge Higher Joe Judge Um
goes to the New York Giants and Jeff how covers
the Patriots for the Athletic And this is interesting for
the context on Tom Brady's performance. The quarterback dealt with

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an array of injuries later in the season, including foot
and elbow injuries that required more extensive amounts of treatment
than usual throughout each week. That outs explained some of
the accuracy issues that popped up. Okay, so here's all
the things that have gone wrong for Tom Brady. Okay,
now is elbow and his foot. The league also requires

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you to be a little bit more mobile than he
than he used to be. Although let's not act like
the running quarterbacks survived. We've seen Carson Wentz really interesting
Carson Wentz. So I think our injury prone because he's
played dangerously when he scrambles out of the pocket, like
football's a dangerous game. Tom Brady has only missed one
season due to one injury. Outside that he hasn't been hurt,

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but he did have elbow and foot injuries. Memory lost
his center for the season injury. Rob Gronkowski retired. Josh
Gordon was traded because he was gonna get suspended because
he was a knucklehead. Antonio Brown got got cut because
he was gonna get suspended. Julian Edelman he played hurt.

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Oh yeah, and they're probably gonna lose Josh McDaniels. They
did lose Joe Judge. Bill O'Brien left years ago to
go to Penn State. Now with the Texans, Brian Flores
d C went to Miami ticket with the Dolphins. Matt Patricia,
of course went to the Lions. Vrabel only played as
a player and then worked for B O B. But
I mean, it ain't like before he became head coach.

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If they called him and said, do you want to
be defensive coordinator, he wouldn't have done it. There's plenty
of Patriots who are now elsewhere. This is what happened
to Saban. Frankly right as far as his coaches is,
Saban like nights dudes, and they started going elsewhere losing
all these guys. Now, if you look around, go ahead

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and look around the SEC. Kirby Smart, Jeremy Pruitt, Now,
keep looking around around the SEC, and it's like, you know,
Lane Kiffin was there offensive coording it for a year.
I didn't say they had a good relationship, but look,
you got Lane Kiffin is in Arkansas. You got Tennessee's
head coach. Excuse what I say, Arkansas? Oh, miss sorry? Right?

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I mean, and it wouldn't be crazy for Mississippi State. Now,
who is going to hire Joe Judge, who was a
former saving guy to go and find somebody else with
Sabing ties be their next head coach. But the point
is that eventually your coach has become like you guys.
Remember the movie Multiplicity. Remember that multiplicity Multiplics is a

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guy named Doug. I loved it. Michael Keaton, I think
he was Michael Keaton played the lead character. And Michael
Keaton was like, he had a construction job. I think
he was a general contractor, and then he felt like
his time was just you know, he ripped in a
bunch of directions, wanted to be a dude and hang out.

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He had his wife and kids and then had his job.
So they had this cloning company, and he got cloned.
By the time he got cloned, and then there was
a clone of a clone, and that guy was shaving
his tongue. That's what happened in Alabama. It's happened a

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little bit with the Patriots. Not everybody the Patriots has
had as a saisant. Coaches great. So you're running deep,
deep into your roster for coaches. You're quarterbacks forty two
going on forty three, and all of a sudden everything
starts to hurt. The same thing happens with your star

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wide receiver. You already had guys retire. Anyone who has
successful season wants to get paid. That ain't the Patriots jam.
It's death by a thousand cuts, an array of injuries.
This is how it ends. It doesn't usually end the
way it ended with with Dan Marino, right where you

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get beat six, two, seven, every but it's like, you
know what he's done, you know what he's done. It
ends where all of a sudden and elbow injury which
used to bother you for three or four days, bothers
you for three or four weeks. A foot injury which
used to bother you for a weekend, bothers you for
half a season. It ends where instead of losing one

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of your teammates, you're losing major pieces and most of
your coaching staff in a yearly basis. This is how
dynasties end, and the division, for the first time maybe ever,
is marginally improving. The Bills went thirteen years without being
the playoffs. They've been two of the last three years.
The Jets, though, like Sam Donald, finished the year seven

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and two. If he doesn't get Mono, I'm not sure
they're not. At least they're deep in the playoff discussion,
let alone maybe in the playoffs, and though the and
the Dolphins tanked, tried to be bad and still won
five games. Why because Brian Flores can really coach. He's
gonna be fine. This is how things end. Be sure
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weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific Doug Gotlives Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Chris Sims was once upon a time
on the staff in New England. Are you up for
any of these head coaching jobs? No? I am not,
nor do I want to be. Okay, I'm done with
coaching for the time being as my kids grow up,
all right, But either way, it is crazy. And it's

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one of the crazy things about New England and Bill
Belichick right now is just how many years in a
row can he afford to lose coaches and assistance and
everything like that. It just speaks to how amazing he is.
It should be pointing out that maybe the he coached
both the best and the worst part of the Patriots.
Right Look, the kicking and punting game wasn't good, but
I don't know how much. But in terms of trick

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plays blocking punts like, they were amazing that they won
them games, won them after. On the other hand, he
also coached the wide receivers, which was it's it's personnel
base mostly, but that was the sore spot. What do
you know about Joe Judge, new head coach of the Giants. Well,
great energy, really good football coach. I was with him
when I was up there in New England. He was

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just starting out at that time as a special team's assistant,
So I'm not shocked to see him become a head coach.
The one thing I am shocked by. I really thought
he was going to Mississippi State. That's where I think
people in New England and people I talked to around
the NFL thought he was going that way. I knew
he was getting the interview with the New York Giants. No,
I did not expect them to hire uh Joe Judge today.

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I did not. That was shocking to me. One. I
just don't understand the rush once you saw Matt Rule
already signed, Like, what what was the rush to just
then go ahead and make this type of decision. I
know Wink Martindale was very much in the conversation. The
defensive coordinator from the Ravens. That's who I would have
favored Listen, not to say Joe Judge can't be good
and do good and all those things, I get it.

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I just think Wink Martindale is a really special personality
and a really special defensive mind. Now, yeah, you know
Joe Judge, he understands how an organization should be run.
He's gonna be fine in the podium in front of
the team and all of that. But this is new
to him certainly. And uh, I just I guess what
I go is. I don't know if I think he

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was definitely ready to be an NFL head coach at
this point. I think that's where maybe I had a
little bit of a hesitation. Has the smellings doug of
to me, like the Giants Brass got sold on Joe
Judge by kind words from Bill Belichick, Nick Saban, Oh,

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he's one of the finest assistants we've ever had, and
blah blah blah. And to me, it seems like they
got a little panicked and maybe enamored with, uh maybe
the scouting report they got from those two legends. How
much does having keeping gettleman limit limit the scope of
their search, right, because somebody's got anybody with anybody with
the quality resume wants to work with somebody who they

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worked with before, does get him in, limit get them in,
limit their reach. I do think it did to a degree. Yes,
I mean from everything I know, I don't think Matt
Rule was huge in favor of having to answer to
Gettleman and do those type of things. And I think,
you know, ultimately listen, I think the first time around,
Josh McDaniels didn't go to the New York Giants because
of Dave Gettleman, and I don't think that's changed. So

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I do think that the Dave Gettleman presence factor certainly
played into this to a degree with some With some
guys Chris Christim's joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show
on Fox Sports Radio, Matt Rule to Carolina, what does
this mean for Cam Newton? Well, that's a million dollar question.
I mean to me, like Matt Rules got to have
a sit down conversation with Cam Newton first off, just

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figure out does he want to be there? Is he
looking to get out of town, fresh start, be the
face of another organization? Where does he really want to
be there? Right off the bat, So I would think
that's something that has to be done here within the
next week or two. Now, if you feel like Okay,
Cam Newton wants to be here. He's on the record
road to recovery. Yes, we know, he's thirty years old

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and he played the position very physically. Money has some issues. Okay, yeah,
you might have to get some other quarterbacks in there
in case he gets hurt again. But you know, there's
still just not a lot of people on planet Earth
or in the NFL they can play quarterback like Cam
Newton when he's healthy. So I would be very reluctant
to make a move there. I would try to ride
Cam Newton out and build around him right now. I mean,

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you know, yes, I know Cam Newton has been banged up,
but when he has been healthy, it's been very good,
and I don't doubt that it can get back there
once again. Now, you know Matt who's also famous for
his building or rebuilding. That's why he's getting this job,
right things he did a Temple and Baylor. He's obviously
showed he has a vision and knows how to put
together a team. If Cam Newton doesn't want to be there, okay,

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you got more assets, then trade via the trade maybe
a team like the Chargers wants Cam Newton for some
star power out there, whatever it may be. Then you've
got some assets to build your team via the draft
and do things that I think Matt Rule uh is
very good at and probably a big reason why he
was picked there as a head coach. Anyways, Uh, Tom
Brady apparently had Yeah, he was more banged up than

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he let on foot elbow injuries. UM was kind of
saying they and I about the Patriots, some of it
may need be negotiation. He is a free agent, doesn't
seem like he wants to retire. What do you think
happens there? Well, I I you know, I think he's
gonna end up back with the New England Patriots. Really
because of Robert Craft, I do. I just can't imagine

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Mr Craft or the Craft family being able to live
or sleep been night watching Tom Brady put on another uniform.
So that's a tough decision. Listen, Like, this is the
first year in the history of the last twenty years
in New England Patriots, Like Tom Brady didn't win any
game for the Patriots this year. You know, the play
was there was it was average at best. There's just

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there's no other way to sugarcoat that. So you know again,
I think what the Patriots are getting down to is, yes,
he's a legend, he's a huge part of our organization,
but can he actually win us games if the coaching
game plan is just not perfect? And I think that's
a legit question. The same with Drew Brees. As we
saw last week. You know, it's just guys they're getting
in the age, and yes, the game plan is great,

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They're gonna make great decisions and some accurate throws, but
you know, when they're playing a defense that's keyed in
on their game plan, can they make any plays outside
the realm of what their coach to do, like a
Deshaun Watson or My Homes or the other great quarterbacks
in the sport right now? And that is where I
would say no. So that's the dilemma New England's in. Obviously,
they need to help him out a little bit regardless

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of he's there or not there. They need more weapons
in the past game. Um, but I think you know,
in my heart of hearts, so I just I gotta
see it to believe it. I think he'll be back
in New England. I'm gonna say one more year and
then and then they're gonna tell him like this is it, Tommy, Okay,
one more shot, one more go for it. Let's see
if we can win it all, we'll get your receiver.
And if it doesn't work out, he moves on with life.

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Why aren't more people saying what you're saying, not just
about that about Drew Brees. Oh, I don't know. You know,
everybody's scared because their legends and they're afraid that they
might have to do an interview with them at some point.
And oh no, he might not do the interview if
I say he's not real good right now. I mean
I I talked to X quarterbacks who say those type

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of things all the time, like it's there's there's fear there.
And yes, Drew Brees, you know again, Hey, this is
not to say you can't win. And I know he's
still good. Is he great anymore? I don't know, know
that's debatable. I don't think he's great anymore. You know, again,
we're from the second stretch run of the you know,
like just like we saw last year, a little bit

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can't stretch the field, can't get the defense to back off.
If Camara and Michael Thomas aren't open over the middle
of the field. What else can he do? He can't
throw deep balls, he can't throw deep comebacks and out routes,
can't do any of that. Can't scramble around and make
plays that way. So you know, that's the other dilemma
that obviously Sean Payton and m are in in. And

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then of course they have a guy in Taysom Hill,
who I know Sean Payton loves and the doors and
wants to make the guy in waiting for Drew Brees.
So they have some big time, you know, questions to
answer there. I'm glad I don't have to make him.
That's why Build and Sean Payton are making so much money.
They can make him. Christim's joining US Football Night in
American Pro Football Talks is Doug out the show here

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on Fox Sports Radio the Mike McCarthy higher. Does that
make the Cowboys definitively better? I think it does. I
I really love the hire and now I mean Doug Listen,
I was like a huge like, like, oh, Mike McCarthy
has to change his offense. It's so stale. It's all
on Aaron Rodgers. There's just not enough help. Okay. So,

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and I think he's recognized that there was that issue.
Everything I've read or seen him do interviews like here
Peter King, he did something. He recognizes that, you know,
his offense got stale, he needed to expand it. But
I think the thing we look for in Dallas was toughness,
you know, a theme or an identity of their team,
right more game plan specific on the defensive side of

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the ball, being better in situational football, you know, playing
to your strengths and uh, playing to the other team's
weaknesses and trying to take advantage of that instead of
just going, oh, we're the Cowboys, We're just gonna do
what we do. We get a lot of freaks out here,
and we'll win the game just with that. No, it's
just not gonna work. Not in the NFL right now
with free agency and the salary cap, the teams are

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too equal. I do think McCarthy gives them leadership, tough
this ability to coach a situational football, a vision as
far as what he wants that way, and the team
is ready to win right now this second. They are
in the super Bowl window, and Mike McCarthy is a
super Bowl head coach, and I like the fact that

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he's entertaining, keeping telling more around for ideas. That's that's
what they need to do. But I think this is
the right move for a team that's in it right now.
They couldn't wait for a college coach or somebody like
that and then go, hey, we're in the super Bowl window.
But you know our college coaches. He's kind of catching
up to the NFL way of life, and we didn't
quite you know, make it through that window. I think

(30:37):
this is the right move. Like the Jones family, oh man,
that to me is the one game I look at
Doug to where I go, I could see that's the
one upset alert I got. I just an underwhelming two
seed with the Green Bay Packers. Um you know, honestly though,
as we sit here right now, I probably lean Packers

(30:59):
at home, I do, you know. I just look at it.
With the week off, the Seattle Seahawks being a little
banged up on the offensive line, the running backs, I
don't know if they're going to be able to totally
expose that Green Bay run defense maybe the way some
other teams can. And they're somewhat simple in the past game.
I think that kind of plays into the hand of

(31:19):
Mike Patton and green Bay and gives them, you know,
closes the advantage. Maybe Seattle hat and then the other
side of the ball. Hey, you know, we know Seattle
likes to stop the run. But there's the play action
pass and the things that green Bay does that way.
They're very good at pass protection and it's a very
underwhelming secondary in Seattle. So I think right here, as
if Tuesday, right now, I'm picking green Bay to win

(31:41):
a close one. UM, your guys, game is San Francisco Minnesota. UM.
Obviously people raving about the couple of throws Cousins made.
They run the ball ball exceptionally well and against the
style of pass rush that the Niners have, maybe that
can they can run the ball kind of down their throat.
That that's it though, You're right down their throat. That's

(32:03):
the way to go. Like last week, the theme of
Dalvin Cook, especially in the first half, was on the
edge outside because the Saints are so big and they're
kind of slow in the front seven. That's what teams
have done to the Saints. This week, it will be different.
You can't run outside on the forty Niners. They're as
fast as any team in football, sideline to sideline. If
they have a weakness in run defense, yes, it'll be

(32:23):
in the inside, like you're talking about Dalvin Cook cutback
zone plays with the forty Niners over pursuing to the
sideline too hard. Watch out for that of course. Yeah.
And then hey, they're gonna stay with their formula bootlegs,
play action passes, and if you're playing man demand and
too worried about stopping the run, they're gonna take a
few shots on the outside to digs and feeling. That's

(32:44):
their formula. It's not overly complicated, but it's effective. They
make you defend the whole field. And they'll be a
pain in the button for the forty Niners defense because
that day, Hey, Doug, I mean you're watching too. I
mean the forty Niners defense it fell apart towards the
end of the season. So that's certainly a bit of
a question mark. I think, like, look, every game last
weekend was close. There's some huge spreads. I think Tennessee's

(33:05):
that game is gonna be super short, right because everybody's
gonna run the football. Um. But I think that game
will be competitive, um because I think I think Tennessee
is pretty good. Um, I think I think Houston. I
think Houston's gonna be competitive with kids city. Yeah, listen,
I'm I'm you know, you're sitting here and like I
haven't moved on a whole lot the next week and
done my deep dives there yet. I'm still kind of

(33:26):
playing like last week evaluation. But as you as you sity,
I certainly don't expect any of one of these games
to be dominant. I don't you know. The only one
I look at maybe is the Ravens with the Titans,
just because I go, okay, phenomenal secondary. With the Ravens,
they'll be able to play man to man against that
Titans pass game, which isn't overly complicated. You saw it

(33:47):
had an issue right right right, and then you know,
the Ravens, unlike the Patriots, have the biggest group of
D lineman you can find in football, So I would
think they're gonna be able to stand up to that
Derrick Henry run game and give it some issues. And
you know, listen, I don't think anybody in football right
now can stop the Ravens offense and Lamar Jackson with

(34:09):
two weeks of rest he's gonna have two rockets up
as butt be flying around sharp and fresh as hell.
So if there was one blowout, that would be the
one I guess I would pick. But I'm with you.
I think the rest of them, for sure are gonna
be very, very competitive. Happy to hear, Dear Chris, thanks
for joining us. You're the man, Dug. Happy New Year
to you, Chris Simms. Football Night in America and Pro
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(34:53):
this is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show. I Dan,
what's the game today? Doug? The game today is Rank Alright, Doug,
rank the top three Super Bowl champion contenders that are
still alive. I'm going to go with the number three

(35:13):
is the Packers number two seed in the NFC, and
if they're to advance and they take on the Niners,
just the experience at quarterback, albeit blown out by the
Niners in San Francisco where they have to play him again.
But I think they got a relatively easy draw with
a banged up UH Seattle Seahawks team ravens at to
dominate the league home field throughout. Um, but you know,

(35:35):
in the only playoff game we've seen Lamar Jackson play
and he did not play well. And then the forty
Niners number one, great overall roster, good scheme coach who
has been an offensive coordinator in the Super Bowl before.
But the end experience of Jimmy Garoppolo is the only
thing holding me back. All right, Well, there's one head
coaching vacancy now in the National Football League. That's what
the Cleveland Browns. They've conducted some interviews, will interview others

(35:58):
who are the three best at it. It's to fill
that Brown's vacancy. Uh. I would say a number three
would be uh Kevin Stefanski Okank, a long time assistant
just now started calling play, has done a good job
with the Vikings. I'll put Robert saleh Um, who's the

(36:20):
defensive coorting of the Niners, at two. But josh By
Daniels number one on that list to me, he's the
guy's been a head coach before. Of course, if you
get him, he's gonna pick his GM and that's part
of that gig. Alright, Doug, let's talk some college hoops. Rank.
Your top three in college basketball didn't change from a
week ago in the AP. What about your ranking? I
have Sandy to State one, Gonzaga too. I'll put Duke

(36:43):
at three, all right. And on the heels of the
new report that the Red Sox may have cheated in
the season that Major League Baseball could be coming down
soon on the Houston Astros rank, the top three sports
were cheating is frowned upon the most. Golf is number one.
Golf is absolutely positive. Tennis is number two because until

(37:07):
you get to high level tennis, you call you don't
have a chair umpire right, it is kind of on
your system, on your honor. What about cards? Come? I
like that poker Poker used to be on a sports network.
I'm gonna go poker three. This is game time on

(37:28):
the duck got leap shop. They just quick question, because
I do have the game in front of me. What's
your favorite new XFL roll? Oh, there there are a
couple of them. I like the running clock and incompletions,
and I'll have more on this in the press as
well if people want to stay tuned. But yeah, I like, uh,
keep that clock going. It's it'll stop under two minutes.

(37:48):
But I like the running clock. And you can have
two forward passes on one play. Yeah, one of them
would have to be from behind the line of scrimmage.
You couldn't fit it on the sheet, but so you
could run a screen pass and that running back could
then chuck it down the field. I love it. That's
my favorite one. But I don't know how you how
you use it. I died don't. A former NFL m

(38:08):
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(38:50):
have to say, remember the third one, which we uh
last Crussee Last Crusade. Yes, what are the lines you
remember from that movie? Uh? The what his name of
his dog was? We named the dog in Indiana? Um okay,
that's one. Get any more. I hate the snakes, snakes.

(39:15):
I hate snakes. And we learned out why he does
hate snakes in that movie. That's right, a flashback? Do
you remember who played him as a young bull as
a as a teenager young Indiana was played by a
young unknown River Phoenix. Now I don't think he was
unknown because River Phoenix was in um okay, no he
I mean he was in uh stand by Me. Um

(39:38):
So anyway, there's there's a couple of scenes later it
in the movie, right later in the movie when they
go and these are not like I can do a
spoiler alert the movies thirty years old, Only a penitent
man will pass you guys. Remember that right there. There's
also you have chosen he chose poorly or you have

(40:03):
chosen wisely. My favorite is we named the It was Sean,
Sir Sean Connery, we named the dog Indiana. Anyway, only
a penitent man will pass penitent man, penent man. Remember
that pentit man is like pentent man, penitent, penitent, penitent.

(40:26):
I'm not a huge reader of books, all right, I'm not.
I do like you know that there's a lot of
books I do like and that I have read. I
can't say that I'm a it was a voracious, voracious reader.
My wife is more of a voracious reader. Like she
reads maybe a book a week. It's really kind of remarkable.

(40:48):
I like to read. So a lot of the vocabulary
that I share with you is from either reading novels
or frankly, some movies. Right, I mean, do you remember Obtuse?
The movie? Did you hear the word? You're so obtuse? Anyway,

(41:08):
to be penitent is the feeling or showing of sorrow,
regret having done wrong. Repentant a person who repents their
sins a wrongdoing seeks forgiveness from God. In the movie Indiana,
Jones the Last Year said, in order to pass, to
go through to where the Holy Grail is being protected

(41:33):
by the Knights of the Covenant. Man, I love that movie.
I love that movie. Indiana Jones is saying, penitent man,
pentent man, penta man, and he kneels and there's just
like razor blade that would have cut off his head
or his body had he been standing erect. I don't

(41:54):
think Cam Newton should kneel before Matt rule. Okay, I'm
not going crazy here and saying that he should be repentant.
But Cam Newton is far from perfect. He is in
the last year of his contract. He is under contract,
and the best possible way for him to succeed, frankly,

(42:18):
is to stay exactly where he is one. Cam has
had all of his success as a high school star,
as a collegiance star, as a professional star in the South.
He has sweat equity with the Carolina Panthers. He has
an owner who said, hey, we want him to work here,

(42:40):
but he needs to be a little bit penitent, a
little bit. Hey, I haven't always been perfect, I haven't
always been healthy. I need to get better. Why would
that be Matt Roll's new head coach the Carolina Panthers.
He signed a seven year contract, a deal worth sixty million.
Incentives could be worth seventy million dollars. This is an

(43:04):
addition to the fact that the Carolina Panthers paid Baylor
six million dollars the buyout to get Matt Rule. So
they're into him for what could be seventy six million dollars.
And while a six year contract for a coach, if
you buy him out doesn't go against the salary cap, right,

(43:26):
It's like, look, I have three years into him. They
don't like him. You have a billionaire owner, he writes
a check. It becomes right off, I understand, but he
ain't going anywhere year one, and he probably ain't going
anywhere year two or year three. Cam Newton, different story.
And when you have sweat equity with a place, when
you're synonymous with a franchise, but the franchise has had

(43:46):
to turn over general managers and now coaches being a
little bit humble, what hurt his case because wherever else
he goes, you know, even if he signs a two
year they probably not going to release him. He doesn't

(44:06):
have a ton of value. He hadn't played a whole
season in like three years, and he hadn't been great
since the m v P Super Bowl. Year. Wherever he goes,
he won't have the sweat equity he has in Carolina
with the franchise with the fans, Matt Roy ain't going

(44:29):
anywhere like. Look, did they pay him all that money
so that he's more powerful than Cam? Maybe a little bit.
A lot of it is you're gonna get him out
of Baylor. He was probably making four or five maybe six.
And in college, when you find a guy, you give
him a seven, eight, nine, ten year deal, doesn't doesn't matter.
Private school, you just print money. Hey, we're gonna make

(44:49):
it back. That's kind of the way it goes. So
in order to get me out of that gig and
keep me from going to the pros, he probably would
have gotten raised above what he's making. He had the
leverage of the Giants wanting him, He had the leverage
of the Browns wanting him. He had the leverage of
the job he had at Baylor, and so he leveraged

(45:10):
it to a seventy plus million dollar deal. Cam Newton
walks into a room where though for one year he
will make more money than his head coach, but they
are not as committed to him, nor they have to
be as they are his head coach. I don't believe
he needs the kneel before God or kiss the Ring

(45:30):
of Matt Rule. I was just using that because I
think it's an awesome movie and I learned the word penitent,
and I'm sharing it with you because you're sitting there
not in your head, going like I remember that scene,
remember that scene, and I do think there's some similarities
there where the guy who will pass, the guy who

(45:51):
will get a shot is the guy who's a little
bit humble. That first meeting could not be more I
know that you're Cam Newton be in this. This dude,
Matt Rule has been an assistant for one year in
the NFL. Dude has a dumpy looking body. I know
he played at Penn State in college. He got a
dumpy looking body. He wears what looks like a bib.

(46:12):
The last time we saw my National TV, he's spit
and landed on that bib right like he and I.
Cam Newton walks in and he looks like a Greek god.
They got a hundred million in the bank, beautiful suits,
just a stunning looking human being. Franchise quarterback m v
P in his back pocket. Hey, dude, if you walk

(46:33):
in like your Hollywood with a guy who spittles all
over his shirt, don't feel that. I don't feel like
that's the beginning of a relationship that's gonna last. This
was Chris Sims on what Matt Rule will do with
Cam Newton. Matt Rule is gonna have a sit down
conversation with Cam Newton. The first off, just figure out

(46:56):
does he want to be there? Is he looking to
get out of chant town, fresh start, be the face
of another organization? Where does he really want to be there?
Right off the bat? Right now? Look, Cam may think
I want to be a Charger, I want to be
in l A, in l A, all right. But you
know it's just like I've told people about Kyrie Irving, Like, hey,

(47:18):
did you're on the Nets now? Not the Knicks. Is
a different ball game. The Clippers are different than the Lakers,
and the Charges are way down the pecking order. And
oh yeah, by the way, the Chargers have to want you.
I want you. But more than anything, even if you
do want to be moved that initial beating, I might

(47:40):
want to be humble my d some good because even
if you think I want to be with said team,
the fact is you want the more teams that want you,
the more money you're going to make. Matt Rule taught
him that only the penitent man will pass. Ah, you

(48:03):
guys ever heard of it? Can't get right? I feel
like it's a team expression, team expression. Well, it's interesting
there there's all kinds of expressions for different people, different
personnel on teams. What if I told you there was
an NFL team that's I can't get right. I'll explain

(48:24):
who that is next. Be sure to catch the live
edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific. Do you guys like do Perfect? You
can see? Dude Perfect is up to like forty eight million.
I think it's forty eight million of subscribers on their
YouTube channel. My son Lucas, who was eight, loves in fact,

(48:45):
he just got this like a toy from them. They
sell toys at the store. I got something for him.
I get something. Remind me, I'll get the next break.
I'll get yourself for Lucas. Just how big boy is Lucas?
What's what's what size? What shut to see? Were geez?
I want to say youth medium, medium like some tight anyway. Um,

(49:08):
So they do this thing where they do stereotypes. You know,
they have like a concert tour. On the concert tour,
they do like stereotypes, you know, like basketball stereotypes. There
was always a guy anyway, if if Dude perfect was
gonna do a real professional or collegiance sports team stereotype

(49:28):
like in real life, not not just the ones that
they do, like pick up basketball, little league stereotypes, whatever
baseball team anyway, fantasy league stereotype. Guy. If you were
do a real professional sports team, there would be one
guy who's the ladies man right, one guy who uh,
you know, kisses up to the coach, one guy who

(49:50):
is a great player who is goes Hollywood, you know,
one guy who is kind of the Russell Wilson who
other guys don't necessarily get down with it feels like
he's corporate but does clearly have it going on. And
there would be one can't get right right, they can't

(50:12):
get right as the guy who, no matter what he tries,
even what's the old what's the expression? Best laid plans
of mice and men often go awry. Right right, I
can't get right. I have a child as you can't
get right, you know, they do their homework, they put it,

(50:33):
they get everything set up for the next day, they
set their alarm, they get up in the morning, they shower,
they have breakfast, they're ready to go, and they walk
out and they're in the car. They got their home
or whatever. They forgot that. She figured out her shoes.
All right, you can't get it right. That's the Browns.
They can't get right. Browns weren't wrong to fire Freddy Kitchens.

(50:58):
Browns weren't wrong to fire the general manager, John Dorsey.
Browns are the only team still looking for a head coach, which,
now listen, may benefit them because it's a whole fields.
You feel like limitless in terms of their ability to
hire because they don't have a general manager. Right, But
they shrunk considerably over the last twenty four hours. Mike McCarthy,

(51:20):
who was the first candidate interview with the Browns, was
hired by the Cowboys. He was believed to be at
or near the top of the wish list by their
owner Jimmy hasslm Matt Rule just got hired by the
Carolina Panthers. He didn't want to talk to the Browns.
Don't want talk to Browns. Oh oh, thanks pass, hard pass.

(51:43):
Every other team has hired their head coach, so they're
not in the rush. On the other hand, if there's
anybody you think could screw this thing up, would it
be the Browns? Like Adam Schefter's reporting, they want to
have a deal done by Saturday. Why But this is

(52:05):
not just just sort aware. This is not college football,
like why does college football wives at a Russian college football?
For recruiting. If you don't make a decision early, you
just you lose all your recruits or you have normalmentument
recruiting and oh yeah, by the way, you need season
ticket sales and everything. The NFL year doesn't come to
an end until March. So in terms of evaluating your

(52:28):
current roster and other rosters and your cap and all
that stuff, like you got through three months three months time.
I didn't say that it's not an arduous task and
that you don't just have to evaluate yours, but everybody
else and I got it. What's the rush? You're already

(52:52):
the last one to do it. There's no one else.
You have an unlimited pool of candidates. Talk to people,
don't talk to people. Interview you people who want this
GM we want a president. What do we want to do?
If it's in Cleveland, take your time watch football this weekend. Hey,
I kind of like that, Let's bring that guy in.
Kind of like that, let's bring that guy in. M

(53:15):
they saw the Cowboys. I mean you talked about keeping
up with the Jones type of organization. What is the rush?
You know, we're only focused on NFL people. Okay, but
you don't at least talk to Urban Meyer, like call
him up Urban? What would your plan be if you
came in here? It doesn't It doesn't mean that you

(53:40):
have to get married, but date a little bit, right,
don't be afraid to go out date a little bit?
Is Why is there bigeological clock ticking? Like Merissa Tilmay
and my cousin Vinnie. How does a dated reference? Now?
I just realized that that was a great movie. That

(54:00):
was good work from Joe Pesci and versat. What what
could possibly be the rush? You have four NFL games
this weekend. That's eight teams, you know, sixteen coordinators. You
have a college game on Monday. You know, Look, I
don't think you're gonna Dabo Sweeney is gonna do it?

(54:22):
And um, you know I can Ryan Day was one
year at Ohio State. Probably not. You're not getting I mean, sorry, coach,
I say Brian Day. They lost a coach out. You're
not you don't want coach O. You're not gonna get
coach Oh he ain't Leaven Louis. That doesn't make sense.
But maybe maybe you take a swing. You want to
look at John Brady's offense and you're like, hey, if

(54:42):
Joe Burrow works with this guy, let's bring in Brady
to be our offensive coordinator, maybe to be your head coach.
Like again, limitless possibilities right now, But I know where
you're like, Saturday, I gotta make a decision by Saturday.
Cowboys did it? Panthers did it? Gi Like? Does anybody
think the cow the Giants made a great decision today?

(55:04):
So why are you going to copy the pace of
their decision? What? What is the rush? If somebody really
wants the Brown's job, that'll wait another week. It's only
they're gonna leave and take another NFL job. There aren't
in the open. The only college job that's open of
of note is Mississippi State. But the Cleveland Browns are

(55:28):
They can't get right. Finally got Riddick Freddy. Frankly, they
figured out that John Dorsey didn't really know what he's
doing in terms of running an organization. You know, Jimmy
Hasson wants to pick the next head coach and let
him help pick the general manager and maybe be more
hands off, not screw this thing up. And yet they're

(55:49):
gonna screw this thing up. Why because there can't get right?
Why else would you say we need a decision by Saturday? What? What?
Why is that some arbitrary date that you picked out
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(56:11):
listen live. Joe class Lee college football altists for Fox Sports.
He joins us in the Doug Otlip Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Let's start with yesterday's news to it declares
for the NFL Draft. What type of pro do you
think he'll be? Well, I think, like so many quarterbacks, Doug,
it really depends on where he goes and who his coaches.

(56:32):
I think that there are only a few, um really
throughout history quarterbacks that are going to translate regardless of
fit and and I think too of falls into a
category where it's I think it's going to really depend
on on the fit that he has in the NFL.
I think that when you when I look at the
way he plays um his injury situation, I really do

(56:57):
believe that he's the type of guy that could have
a Russell Wilson's style career. And he's also the type
of guy that could have a Mariota style career. And
I think all of it depends on does he get
into a consistent organization that's going to support him with
tools around him to be successful. How big is he?

(57:17):
To is pretty, he's sick. He's probably taller than Russell Wilson.
He's not overly tall. I would say he's very similar
to Baker Mayfield when they stand right next to each other,
I think that they're very similar. I think Too is
maybe just a touch bigger than he is. You know,
it's interesting, Um, there were people that thought he was athletic,
and one reason I had a couple of friends tell me,

(57:38):
one reason that he's got hurt is because he's, even
at the college level, not as athletic as I think
even he thinks he is. Could be the injuries right,
or could be the fact that he's just he's not
as fleet of foot as some would lead you to
believe at his size fair totally fair. In fact, I
would say in my evaluation so far of him, that's
something that I have in his evaluation is that, um,

(58:02):
his elusiveness is not nearly as good as what it
seems like he thinks it is, which is why he's
been hurt, to be real honest with you, because he
thinks he can extend plays that he can and the
ball comes out of his hand late on those types
of plays and he ends up throwing it away really
late and taking contact that's unnecessary. Um. You know, let's

(58:26):
put it to you this way. I think that Trevor
Lawrence is probably more athletic than two h in just
terms of using his feet and me. I think he
showcased it in that semifinal games. It's Ohio State. Um,
but he's I think he's more athletic and fleet of foot,
if you will, than than Too is. But Too anticipates
really well though. He's accurate with the football, and I

(58:47):
think he will and can have success in the NFL.
But I think he's undersized for the position. He's not
overly athletic. I think Mayfield is a really good comparison
for him, Uh not obviously attitude wise, or or just
the flamboyance, but just in style of play. I think
that that's a pretty good comparison. He's also left handed.
Kellen Moore last left handed got to throw throw a

(59:09):
past a quarterback Dez Bryant. The last left handed touchdown
pass throwing by Dez Bryant in the nash Football League. Um,
you know, I've talked to some people about it and
they all say, well, it's because lefties played baseball. How
much of how much? How much of it of the
left handed thing is is because you know how football

(59:29):
guys are. They're They're like, wait, I gotta guys left handed,
I gotta change everything. How much does that give people pause?
I don't think it should. I mean, I've been around both,
Um to me, and I know this. I don't I'm
trying not to cop out and I'll get to maybe
a better answer than this. But there's a real bottom

(59:50):
line area of the position, Dug to me, is this,
can you get the ball on time and on target?
You know, I don't care which way spinning to be
right and honest with you, like, is it on time
and on target at the end Peyton Manning was literally
throwing the ball like punts. He was punting the ball
softly into the secondary. But it was on time and
on target, and they were able to win a Super

(01:00:11):
Bowl with denver Um. And then the last point I
would make on this and this is, you know, not
if Steve Young is a Hall of Famer and he
won a Super Bowl and he's one of the best
quarterbacks ever, he's left handed. To me, I don't believe
that that's an issue. Uh. And if and if anyone
uses it as an issue, I think they're trying to

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talk themselves out of tah And remember now the draft process,
it goes like this, and and it's very similar to
to buying a home. I really think it's you're trying
as desperately as you can to go in there and
and talk yourself out of something. You know, what's wrong
with this place? Is it overpriced? Is it you know?
Does it not have the right water pressure? I don't know,

(01:00:53):
is it the wrong location. It's very similar in terms
of the drafts, and so if someone hangs their hat
on that, they're trying desperately to talk themselves out of
liking to Doug gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I want to get to some NFL stuff in a
second with you, because you know covered the league as
well as as anybody, as well as obviously your your
prime job as ours our lead college football analyst, UM

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L s U versus Clemson. What like? Look, I didn't
think Clemson was the best team when they beat Ohio State.
I just did that. I thought, I thought, you know,
High State's running back, I mean that he was the
best he was when he rolled his ankle. That that
changed the game dramatically. Obviously, he dropped two balls that
should have been touchdown passes. They could have been up

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a ton in the first half. That said, Clemson did
kind of find a way. They do have a great quarterback.
They do have dudes, and it's a different matchup. Who
do you like? L s U? Clemson? I like L
s U. I I couldn't agree with you more. I
think that if if Ohio State and Clemson played ten times,
Ohio State probably wins eight times. Doug, I mean, I

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thought that that was an eight out of a ten
type of city situation. You get J K. Dobbins bank up,
you get their worst performance in the red zone that
they've had you get what I would feel like is
kind of the equivalent of getting a ticket while rolling
through a stop sign type of targeting against Sean Wade,
which totally changes the nature of that game. To give

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you a sense of how good Sean Wade is and
what the unique structure of their defense is. Ohio State
plays three corners on the field and only one safety.
Wade was one of those corners. As soon as he
leaves the field, their structure changes, and that's the only
time that Clemson started having success offensively. I don't think
Clemson sniffs seventeen points against Ohio State if Wade stays
in the game. I'm not here to rehash that game,

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but what I am telling you is I think they're
overmatched against LSU. I think Ohio State LSU would have
been the better matchup. I think l s U is
a really, really good team. I was hesitant at times
this year, in particular when they were struggling with their
health on the defensive line um getting fresh on the
defensive line. In particular, they couldn't stop the run. But

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the way that they've played defense, the level that they're
playing offense, I really think that l s U could win,
probably by double digits. So I really I'm heavy towards
l s U right now. Doug gotlip show here on
Fox Sport traiter that that's the voice of Joel klatt Uh.
Joel helped me out Matt Rule. You and I know
people are aware we have the Big twelve in the

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Big in the Big ten. He took over a complete
dumpster fire and and made that team into a really,
really good team. I don't think they were as good
as their final record. They probably should have lost the
Texas Tech and I know other they had some other
survival wins, but considering where they were, he was an
outsider to come in and turn that thing around. But

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but do his strength transfer to the NFL translate to
the NFL. I think that they do. I think that
Matt Rule's biggest strength is actually not necessarily a football strength,
it's a people strength. Um. Every time I've been around him,
and and candidly Doug, I haven't had a chance to
do one of his games, but I have been around
him in the off season, and I've talked to a

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lot of people, have done his games, talk with people
around the organization. In particular, there athletic director talked to
Matt at length, but again not in a game week.
What I come away with all the time is that
he understands culture as well as anybody, and everybody talks
about it, but you've got to really understand how to
build it. Let me give you an example, and and

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forgive me if I've given this example to you before.
When you're a new coach or a new boss of
any group of people or in this case a group
of players, generally, what you hear someone do in that position,
that new position of leadership is that you hear them
say things like we're going to change the culture. And

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that's a real poor leaders language. Poor leaders go in
and they try to change others. Great leaders set a
vision in front and then invite others to join them
on the journey towards that point. Matt is that style
of leader Matt rule where he comes in and he's like, hey, hey, guys,

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and and like you said, I mean, Baylor was the
dumpster fire, maybe of all dumpster fires in college football
at the time that he took the job. I thought
it was very interesting. He had done great at Temple,
he was going to have other opportunities, and he took Baylor,
and I thought to myself, he doesn't fit geographically. None
of this makes sense. And yet when when I talked
with him, he understands people and culture and leadership show

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so well. It was almost like a challenge to him.
And he did it, and he set forth this vision
and he walked in and he said. He didn't walk
in and say, hey, you guys suck, you need to change.
Come follow me. He said, Hey, I'm in here with you.
My feet are where your feet are at. This is
where I want to go. I'd love you to join me.
Why don't we all go there and let's build something together.

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The simple word choice between change and build a culture,
I think is is of paramount importance when you're in
a leadership position. He's that style of leader. I think
that's what they're getting there with their new head coach.
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So, uh,
what do you think it means for Oklahoma? Right? Because

(01:06:14):
you know we we we came into this whole year thinking, man,
you got a coach who everybody wants. Now, obviously the
Cleveland Brown's job is still open, but there hasn't been
discussion there. What does this mean about the Oklahoma job
where they hang on to their coach for another season.
I think it tells you more about Lincoln Riley than

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than anything. Um. A lot of people, I think wrongly
tie him more to Mike Leach than they do to
Bob Stoops, you know what I mean, Like they think
that he's a Leech disciple because he you know, played
and then started his career as a coach for for
Texas Tech. But in reality, he really didn't get his

(01:06:57):
first break until Leech was fired and Ruffin McNeil, who
was in the interim head coach at the time, allowed
a young Lincoln Riley to call plays in the Bowl game.
Then Ruffin McNeil took him to East Carolina where he
could continue to call plays. And then his real mentor
stepped in, and that was Bob Stoups. He really listens
and and admires and goes to Bob Stoops for support

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and mentorship. And Bob was a guy that Doug. How
many times did he turn down places like the Browns
and Notre Dame and places to stay at Oklahoma? And
I think that's more in line with what Lincoln wants
to do. He's told me several times right to my face.
He feels like he has a lot to accomplish at
the college level before he moves on. He wants to

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win a national championship at Oklahoma. And you know, they've
gotten to the playoffs three straight years. This was as
disappointing of finish as they've had in those three and
and I think he wants the chance to build something
that could potentially win a national championship. Great stuff, Old
Clatt joining us, Doug Otlap Show, Fox Sports Radio. Last thing,
Joe Burrow as a former quarterback, yourself an evaluator yourself. Um,

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I had had people a couple of weeks ago like
I don't know Joe Burrow. It's like we're so in
love because of you know, Brady's Joe Brady's passing game,
because it's l s U and they've been so inept
in terms of their play calling to have anybody. And
he's good. But and then he continues to seemingly get
better as he gets more experienced. Is there a parallel?

(01:08:30):
Is there a guy? If you said that Tuah is uh,
the comp would be Baker Mayfield, who would the who
would the Joe Burrow company? Oh Man that's a really
good question. That's a really good question. I'm really bad
at these TOMPs. I'll just say that right now, and
so forgive me for throwing this guy out there. But

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you know, he he does have a little of that
uncan any accuracy that you see from from Rogers at
times now he doesn't have as quicker release or so
you know, I hate to do you know what I mean?
Like the ball gets to places in in such good timing.

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He's a good anticipatory thrower. I think he's he's more
nimble and athletic than people believe. And some of those
scrambles that he's had in order to throw the ball
down the field have been a little Rogers esque. Again,
he's not as talented as Rogers, but there's elements of
both of their games that remind me a little of
each other. Oh man, I know that that's that's a

(01:09:37):
high one. I know, and I'm probably going to kick
myself for saying that live on the air, but I
would say Rogers, Wow, that's that's that's really obviously high
high price. But you know, was a tremendous athlete basketball player,
Aaron Rodgers basketball player as well, and uh I think
that's that's it's gonna be fascinating to see great things

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that they both do. By the way, just really quickly,
I know, you gotta get out. They're both like great competitors.
If I had to say what's Joe's number one trade,
I would say his ability to compete and I and
that should not go overlooked because at that level, you know,
you've got to compete, and that's been proven out by
by Brady and Rogers and Wilson and you know, you know,
throw out the height and weight in the mold and

(01:10:19):
everything like that. Can you go out there and win games?
And he's done that. Hey man, you had a great year.
I appreciate you join us. I hope you continue to
join us. Thanks for thanks for being our guest. Absolutely,
but I love it. I'll talk to you soon, alright,
Joe Latt soon to be on a golf course somewhere
in Newport Beach. Join us in the Doug Gotlip Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Is Derrick Henry changing the game
in the NFL playoffs? Will discuss next. Be sure to

(01:10:41):
catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays
at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports
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You're on Fox Sports Radio every day. At this time,
I would like to play for you a previous show
on fs R Fox Ports Radio or FS one Fox
Sports One. We and now this was Heisman Trouphy winner

(01:11:05):
and stop it if you eat he won the Heisman
Trophy giving back the Heisman Trophy. Come on, man, Heisman
Trophy winner Reggie Bush undisputed talking about Derrick Henry. He's
a big body running back in the Finesse league, right,
He's as big as a linebacker. Um. I mean, it's
it's Shannon Shark Clent running back. That's what it is.
He's look at. He's built to last, He's built to

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go deep into the playoffs. He's built for the cold weather.
He's exactly. He's everything that you want in a running
back when you get to the postseason, when you're trying
to make a push towards the innocent to get to
the playoffs or to win a division or whatever it is.
So I do think he has Hall of Fame potential. Um.
I think he can be, you know, one of the

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best to ever do it. I mean, you look at
his size and his speed, what he brings to the game.
It's just tough to tackle a guy like that. He
could block a defensive and probably by himself. How big
he is. He is massive. He is absolutely, absolutely massive. Um.
I don't know if I'm willing to be ready to
put him in the Hall of Fame just yet. Should
be pointing out last two seasons over a thousand yards

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for the first two season that he's been over a
thousand yards yards rushing. I think the big thing is
when the league we thought it was zigging, it turns
out to be zagging. We thought it was going away
from running. And the story this year. You look at
what's changed with the Packers. They can run the ball.
What's the strength of the Niners? They can run the ball.
What's the strength of the Ravens. They can run the ball.
What's the strength of Tennessee? They run the ball? And

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and part of it is what you're going against defensively, right,
because defenses have to put more hybrid players, more defensive
backs on the football field. It allows these guys. It's
really Derrick Henry is kind of the Lebron effect. Lebron
is the size of a power forward there are no
more power forwards in the game, and centers oftentimes are

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having to guard all the way out the three point line,
which opens up the lane for him. In football, some
teams are They're not solely in the nickel, but there's
a lot of nickel, a lot of dime, and the
key strength for many teams linebackers is their ability to
cover the field, not their ability to tackle running backs,

(01:13:19):
let alone six ft three running backs. So I think
he's tremendous. I'll be interested to see what he does
against a much bigger team defensively in the defensive line,
like the ravens Um. I'm not ready to put him
in the Hall of Fame, but I do think that
he's a he's a he's a beast. He's awesome. Remember

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the picture. I think it was when he was playing
in a bowl game. I think it was when he
was playing in the Sugar Bowl, and they actually brought
out uh mark Ingram, who's a four here Alabama running
back to like help with the coin toss, and mark
Ingram was like in a T shirt and a jacket.

(01:14:05):
Mark Ingram is listed at five nine, he might be
closer to five eight. He literally looked like the little
brother of Derrick Henry. And yes, mark Ingram's. You know,
he's small and compact, so he's gonna look small next
to anybody, but next to Derrick Henry. Oh my gosh,
I'm gonna find that picture and tweek that out. You know,

(01:14:29):
that was amazing, truly amazing. Alright, So we got a
bunch of We got a bunch of news upcoming the Cowboys.
We know how their head coach today the Carolina Panthers
and New York Football Giants got their next head coaches.
How did the Cowboys make a decision to hire someone

(01:14:51):
that none of us could have picked out of the
lineup before the day began. I've given my thoughts. Next
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the New York Giants have a new head coach and
his name is Bill Parson. No, his name is Nick Safe. No,
his name is Joe Judge who I'm not an owl,

(01:15:39):
neither are you, But ask yourself of all the judges, Judy,
Aaron Um, Wapner, Wobner, Labner comes on at three, Wapner's
at three, Wapner's at three. From Judge Judy to Aaron
Judge to Judge Wapner to Wally Judge. Joe Judge is

(01:16:06):
not even on the list of the top ten judges
you would expect in the state of New York or Jersey.
Joe Judge, who's special teams coordinator and wide receivers coach
for the New England Patriots, or formally was now, is
the head coach of the Giants. I mean he's not

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even most likely Patriots assistant to get the job now.
Brian Flores was a relative unknown and he did a
very good job this year with the Dolphins. As much
as we can malign what former Patriots staffers have done,
the fact is that Bill O'Brien has consistently had playoff

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teams while he's been in Houston. Right, Um, Look, Romeo
Cornell hasn't done well as a head coach, but still
been a very good coordinator. Obviously now in Houston, Josh
McDaniels was seen as a failure. But he did take
the Denver Broncos to the playoffs? Did he not? Right? Like,

(01:17:15):
I never was into the Tebow thing. He was, but
Tebow did win a playoff game against the Steelers that
did in fact happen. On the other hand, I mean,
this guy is an unknown and he was apparently going
to be the head coach of Mississippi State, and the
Giants are like, wait, we can't get Matt Rule, Let's

(01:17:35):
hire this guy. How does that happen? How does that happen?
How do you go from? And looked, special teams was
very The kicking game was not good. The punting game
was not good, but they won games on block punts
this year. More than anything, it's about energy. It's bad
organization and maybe the guys he's gonna hire the plan

(01:18:01):
that he has. But the big thing for the Giants
is there there's a limiting factor, right, and they don't
have the limiting factor of a meddling owner. They don't
that scene in Cleveland, that's scene in Washington. They don't
have that limiting factor. They have the limiting factor of

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Dave Gettleman, who is you know, he's an old football guy.
Believes in running the ball, and that's not wrong. His
belief in building from the inside out, it's not wrong.
That's look around the NFL and how teams have been built. Ravens, Titans, Niners, Hell,

(01:18:44):
Packers are a running team now, Like the big question
with the Cowboys is wait, Mike McCarthy he never liked
to run it. Now he's got one of the best
backs in offensive lines in the Nation Football League. He
canna run it. The Vikings, I mean, all these teams
run the football. So Dave Gentleman is does dot have

(01:19:08):
Batton does not always have a bad plan. He just
says stupid stuff like we hired an analytics department. He said,
we've hired four computer folk. You know, he just he's
a football guy. Anyway, Dave Gettleman is a limiting factor

(01:19:30):
in the big picture, you know, on the on the macro,
he's a limiting factor because any head coach worth his
grain AsSalt who has a job or has opportunities. He's
gonna say, like, look, I want to work with somebody
I worked with before, or at least have a big
saying who I'm gonna work with. So that's what cut

(01:19:52):
Ron Rivera out of that. That mix, right, and Mike McCarthy,
who obviously is willing to suck at up and and
work under Jerry Jones regime, Like Mike McCarthy is the exception,
not the rule. The rule is I want to work
with my own guys. So now you're gonna take guys

(01:20:13):
that are relative unknowns. Doesn't mean it won't work, just
mains it makes it harder for us to understand what
the exact plan is. And then and then on the
on the more micro level, Dave Gettleman himself is a
guy who you know, what does it say about Dave Gettleman,
who once upon a time was the GM of the Panthers,

(01:20:35):
and he did in an even interview, and there was
no rumors that they would be interested he and Ron
Rivero be interested in working together. There's no football family
there whereas all kinds of lovey Dubby based upon a
previous spot that he called home. So I think that
Dave Gettleman the second they decided to keep him as

(01:20:57):
their general manager. That limited how many people they go after. Now,
it doesn't make it a terrible higher. You know, the
Green Bay Packers are coached by a guy who everyone said,
who what, But he was at least calling plays for
a year in Tennessee before he made his way over
to Green Bay. If you keep your GM, just know

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that shrinks your pool, shrinks your pool of candidates. You know.
Stanford has this in uh football and in basketball. Stanford
always talks about their pool of candidates like look Stanford.
Almost any high level academic kid, especially in the Western
United States, Stanford wants them. They get him because Stanford

(01:21:41):
is like a seen as like a Harvard with scholarships.
It's got a great sports program, the coaches all live
on campus. It's in an unbelievable area. It's right there
in Silicon Valley, so you're around the best and the brightest,
just beautiful, other beautiful facilities. Great school, and one that

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provides a ton of in college and post college benefits.
But their pool is much smaller because their academic standards
are very, very high. The New York Giants had a
similarly small pool because guys that don't need the job
have a front office guy or two they want to

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work with, and that's not the case with the Giants.
Then you factor in there's still some concern whether U
Daniel Jones is the guy. They gotta go out and
get better personnel. Um, the Cowboys and Eagles, if healthy,
have better personnel. So it's an uphill climb. But Dave

(01:22:44):
Geentleman makes it the hardest to get the big name
coach and that's why that's how they ended up with
Joe Judge. Um, Jason Lackin is gonna join us in
fifteen minutes an another cheating scandal in baseball again again,

(01:23:05):
but coming up next, the controversy that keeps getting bigger
and bigger. Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk
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Radio app search f s R to listen live. There's
a difference in baseball between gamesmanship and cheating. There's a

(01:23:29):
there's a difference there, and Um, we're waiting and it
appears we're getting closer to getting an answer as to
what the punishment will be for the Houston Astros in
their sign stealing cheating controversy surrounding their World Series from

(01:23:49):
a couple of years ago. Then we read this from
the Athletic three anonymous people who are with the Red Sox.
In two thousand eighteen, the Athletic reporter that Austin players
would visit the replay room to decipher their opponents signed sequence,
then relay the information to the dugout someone from the
Red Sox dugout with then communicate with the base runner,
who would use body movements to relay pitch pitch information

(01:24:12):
to the batter. We were recently made aware of allegations
of the inappropriate use of our video replay room, Red
Sox said in a statement to the Athletic. We take
these allegations seriously and we will fully cooperate with MLB
as they investigate the matter. Now, the use of the
video room for sign stealing, which one Red Sox source

(01:24:35):
described to the Athletic as cheating, was a practice, was
was a practice only during the two thousand eighteen regular season,
according to the report. Multiple Red Sox sources told the
Athletic that the system was impossible to use during the
postseason because MLB had in person monitors stationed in all
video replay rooms during the playoffs. It's cheating. The source

(01:24:58):
was with the Red Sox in two thousand eighteen told
the Letic Because if you're using a camera to zoom
in on the crotch of the catcher to break down
the science system, then that information give it out to
the runner. He doesn't have to steal it, right, doesn't
have to steal it. Um. This feels one a little
bit like an attack on Alex Cora, right, who was

(01:25:22):
with both teams. Oh, you learned something in Houston, you
use it in Boston. Two, it is baseball teams just
like any other sports franchise using video equipment. The immediacy
of it, the beat, the ability to relate, relate that
delay that like we've seen it with the Apple watches
with smartphones as well, which are now not allowed in
Major League Baseball clubhouses. But I do not believe this

(01:25:47):
feels nearly as egregious as the Astros. One because you
have to have a runner on base in order to
do so, right, they're not banging on trash cans. And two,
if their system wasn't as complex and wasn't used during
the playoffs, that's just different. It's just different. It doesn't

(01:26:08):
make it okay, but it's just different. You know, this
is the We've had this before in baseball, where you
have well people used to load up the baseball forever,
pictures used to load up to baseball, and hitters used
to use greenies. Yeah, all that said, we didn't have
guys late in their career hitting fifties, sixties, seventy bombs.

(01:26:30):
We didn't have pictures having resurgences because they because they
threw a spit ball, the way that we saw Roger
Clemens become a cy Young Award winner several times over
after he looked like he was washed up when he
was in Boston. That's because using performance enhancing drugs is cheating.
Loading up a baseball is gamesmanship. Stealing signs gamesmanship, using video,

(01:26:56):
banging on stuff, and especially when it includes is the manager,
front office people that that's cheating, not gamesmanship. It feels
like the Red Sox stuff is cheating. It doesn't feel
like it rises to the level of the Houston Astros. Yes,
rhyme music. So as we look at cheating and professional
sports in the big picture, it feels like so with baseball,

(01:27:19):
we have this whole sign stealing thing. Um, obviously there
was a huge thing with p e d s. There's
p e ds that happened in all sports. What was
probably football, Hey, look have we talked? I mean, look,
I personally think Julian Alman is awesome. Okay, but wide
receiver in his third in his thirties gets the spending
for p e d s. Nobody brings it up, like

(01:27:40):
we don't bring it up in football, right anyway, go ahead.
But and then specifically with the Patriots, they've had the thing,
whether it was spygate to flate gate, this most recent
thing with the Bengals that the league kind of came
out and said that it was, you know all the
production team. Nothing. But it feels like with the NBA,
other than the Tim Donaghy thing, like I can't really

(01:28:01):
think of actual teams like cheating, like how can you
cheat in the NBA as opposed to these There's always
been rumors of p e d s And do you
have a starting center? Number one over all picked Deandreton
who was suspended to start the year for p e
d s. You've seen several guys this year get pinched
for p e d s. So I didn't think it

(01:28:22):
was part of the culture. There have always been whispers
about some of the guys, you know, some of the
elite guys in the NBA using them. Um, I believe
that would be cheating if they were using them. I want,
I don't think there's the culture of cheating and p
d s the way there are. Like this is just
being honest. I think I think and there's not just

(01:28:45):
former basketball player. I think the best athletes in the
world overall size, dexterity, versatility, strength, speed, elusiveness. I think
basketball players are generally the biggest and the best athletes
in the world. Football players are crazy athlete. But I
think you know, some of those guys, some of those guys,
um everybody. You know, it's it's become such a speed

(01:29:08):
and explosive driven sport that steroids do help performer. Stancing
drugs do help. But I think it's a little bit
different culture of it in football than there is in basketball.
As far as teams cheating, well, I mean we had
the Lakers with the um not recruiting what's it called
where you're uh tampering, and then you have teams tanking,

(01:29:31):
which is not illegal, but it is uh. You know,
some of that is seen as unethical. Unethical can be
seen as cheating. Um, you know, traveling, it's cheating. Traveling
is cheating. It just definitely feels like in in recent
years there have been much more overt cases that fall

(01:29:54):
into the category of trying to cheat the integrity of
the game in terms of actually determining, you know, wins
and loss is of the game that you're playing in
a sport like baseball or even football, depending on how
you feel about the whole idea of just how legitimate
spy gate was, or um, the deflateate thing with the Patriots,
And I can't really think of any other examples other

(01:30:14):
than things that are involved the Patriots. But it's just
interesting how those two sports seem to have a real
issue with it over the past few years. And it's
not really a thing in basketball, No, doesn't feel like
a really thing. I mean, look, there's some unsavory people
believe flopping is a form of cheating, you know, but
you can't you can scout. There's no real way to

(01:30:36):
steal signs where you can scout another team. Um, I mean,
I guess you could have some sort of listening device
in a locker room, but I'm not sure that would
tell you all that much in terms of what somebody
is trying to do. I don't know. It's a great
it's a great question. It's an interesting discussion. Should Dodger

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fans feel good about this in any way or does it?
Is it still just so of like, wow, we lost
in the World Series back, No, you should feel really
good about it. You're like you had to cheat in
order to beat us? Is the is the sense? You know?
I also don't think that teams that just, oh, we
only cheat in a regular season. Now when it gets
really important, we're gonna stop. You know, I only cheated

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on the first three exams, but the final that one
straight up. Look, here's here's the truth that I had
to there's a statistics is that I actually told my
I didn't tell my kids about the cheating on the test.
But my one of my proudest moments is a college student,
my junior year at Okahoma State. You have to take

(01:31:39):
statistics with Brendan Masters. It's very good teacher, longtime professor
Olklham State. It's in a massive building. Thing was called
the Sarantine Center, like the Center for Performing Arts, the
old one, and it was a room that you probably
get five people in and there are probably three fifty
in the class. And I sat with my buddies and

(01:32:00):
we joke around and we would try and you know,
meat chicks and flirt with them and whatever. And I remember,
like the first test comes up, and I had my
roommate was a year behind me, but he was a
straight A student, Mike Johnson, and we did our homework together,
which means he did it and I copied it. And
then we get to the test and I kind of

(01:32:21):
knew how to do some of it, and then I
did the old peaky peaky I think I got like
a B or something. Second test of the same day,
I got like a C. And then you know, you're
not doing all the homework and I keeping up with
the homework, and she's not grading it, and you're like
copying it down and turning it in. You're kind of
paying attention, kind of not. Then all of a sudden,
you gotta do a test straight up. And it was
the last test before the drop bad date, and I

(01:32:44):
looked at it and I was like, this might as
well be written in mandred. I got nothing, so I
had to drop the class. I came back I didn't cheat,
I would I end up getting like a B plus
in it. I went, did office hours, did everything. Was
a hard class for me, even though I'm traditionally really
good at math. Anyway, Um, yeah, so look, I'm not
gonna sit here and tell you I didn't cheat in college.

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But there's no way that like had I made it
all the way to the final, Like you know, if
I had gotten like a baby that would get to
find like no, now, I'm not gonna look around solely
focused on my test. No chance. So you mean to
tell me that the Red Sox, okay, the Boston Red
Sox are going to cheat by their own estimation during

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the regular season, like oh oh, you got people in
the video room. Now we're gonna stop stealing signs. Do
you mean to tell me you didn't find a way
to work around that. You've cheated all year long, and
you'll be like nap cold turkey. It's the playoffs, Let's
just see if we're better than the other teams. I

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was born at night, not last night. So I don't
believe that the Red Sox stopped cheating once the playoffs started,
once the game's got really important. I don't believe for
one second that they're like, now we're gonna do it
on the up and up, or or it tells you

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that they tried to cheat and like, oh, you guys
are here, Hey, how are you? Uh No, We're just
check and make sure you need up, you need some
pop a, you need anything to drink. Actually that's not Canada.
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Doug Otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Jason lot camp For
is an NFL inside for CBS Sports. He joins, us,
did were you aware of people's infatuation with Joe Judge
before today? People? That implies plural? I don't. I don't.
I just I just mean, like, was it was there
anyone else in the NFL was like, man, Joe Judge

(01:34:57):
head coach. It wasn't my RAR and the people I
talked to. Now, it doesn't mean it won't work, and
it doesn't mean that he's someone who I thought no
chance anybody would ever want to interview him in a
million years, because you've got a Belichick pedigree there and
you've got a Saban pedigree, um, and you've got a

(01:35:18):
lot of very influential people who think highly of him. Um.
But I thought that there would be an intermediate step
or two before we got to be a head coach.
And I almost said before we got to be you know,
he got to be the head coach of the New
York Football Giants. But I think the problem is the
New York Football Giants are still stuck somewhere, you know
what I mean, back around two thousand and twelve, and

(01:35:38):
how they view themselves and they're not quite cognizant, and
how the rest of the league views them. Yeah, I mean,
help me out how similar or dissimilar is his career
to John Harbaugh. See, I know a lot of people
making that comparison, um, and and maybe it turns out
to be app But I can tell you this, like,
they don't have an Aougy k Newsom in his. They

(01:36:00):
ain't got close to it. They don't have that defense.
In fact, their defense has got awful. I don't remember
hard the hardball inher to the staff. I think that
had at least two maybe three future head coaches on it. Um.
You know, you still had Rex Ryan right, you still
had Mike Patton. Um, Hardball's dad coached forever. Hardball knows

(01:36:24):
every coach in the world. Hardball could go ring up
a Vic Fangio, no problem. Um, Hardball, through his brother
as well, had a beat on the hottest college coaches.
This guy and that I'm sorry. You know, maybe he
proves to be something like it, But these situations are
not the same, you know. Um, there is no Ed
Reid in his prime, There is no Sugs in his prime.

(01:36:46):
There is no Ray Lewis and his prime. And we'll
see what the pieces turned out to be on offense,
but I'm dying to see the offensive coordinator is. My
suspicion is whoever they hire will not be new early,
as accomplished, or or or or well positioned to continue
to develop Daniel Jones the way Pat Shermer was. Okay, So,

(01:37:10):
how much of their pool was limited by their general manager,
not just Gettleman himself, but the fact that you know,
the big boys who are out there outside of Mike McCarthy,
they want to pick their groceries. How much of that
limits their pool? I think it was. It was a
substantial factor that and also sort of the fact that
like we're the giants, and yeah, you know, somebody else

(01:37:32):
can talk to you first, because you're you're gonna want
to talk to us, you know, like there's ways to
signal that we're all about you. And they didn't do it.
From the moment they said, Gettleman up there to have
that ridiculous press conference, they didn't do it. And if
anybody's out there selling that they were in on Joe
Judge all the time, they are absolutely positively full of
you know what, I don't know what you want to

(01:37:54):
tell me what I'm I'm kidding. We don't need to
get the little conversation. Okay, what about what about Matt Rule.
Here's the guy that for five minutes had been the NFL,
did a great job turning around Temple and Baylor, but
is seen as a college guy. Do people believe that
will work? I don't see. I don't think for the
last few years he'd really been seen as a college guy.

(01:38:15):
I think he was seen as a guy who, you
know what, the stuff he's doing there in terms of
organization building, in terms of staffing, in terms of getting
people to buy into a principal, you know, bigger than
themselves that that that works anywhere, and the fact that
he did have the NFL background and continued to network
in NFL circles to Saint Chip Kelly, you know what

(01:38:36):
I mean whatever, Six years removed from coaching in New Hampshire,
coming into the NFL, uh and and being in for
a route awakening. Matt Rule understands how NFL locker rooms work.
He understands the difference between college and pros. And he
has enough of a pro background, um and and again
has stayed close enough to it. It has enough contacts

(01:38:56):
in the NFL that it wouldn't be hard for him
to come up with a list of five really good
personnel guys on his own who he'd be willing to
work with, you know what I mean for the day
that Marty Ernie is no longer there or whatever. You know,
I just think it's he about two or three years ago,
really started more more time scouts spent on his campus,
the more they're like, you know what this could work?

(01:39:18):
You know what I mean, it does. This isn't just
a Waco thing. This could be a New York thing.
This could be a Green Bay thing. Um. And he's
not gonna sit there and try to Wow, you on
a whiteboard with xes and ohs, he's not gonna, you know,
want to call every player or anything like that. I
think it's about creating these overarching principles and and I
hate to use this overused word culture, but I think
especially with what Baylor, what he inherited at Baylor, what

(01:39:40):
he walked into there, Um, he's shown a real ability
to change the way people think about a place. Doug
Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio, that's the voice
of j l C. Jason locking for and then there's
the Dallas Cowboys. Oh you know, let me let me,
let me stick with with Matt rule. What's this mean
for Cam Newton. I don't know that it means anything
immediately one way or the other. Um, you know, I

(01:40:03):
I just don't. I think his health will continue to
be paramount. And and the one thing I think that
this gives them though, is a leg up really with
with with with college players overall. I mean, you think
about when Pete Carroll made the jump, and you know
he's gone from the Pac ten to the NFL. Think
of how many kids from that conference he brought in,

(01:40:25):
even guys you know who didn't play for him. And
Richard Sherman, who he recruited him. He was in the
kids living room. He knows all about him. You know,
he chose the other guy over me. But like you know,
you're you're making mental notes and all this stuff. And
then you think about Hardball, right and all their first
couple of drafts when he got there, And yeah, he's
not calling the shots, but he knows a lot of
these kids inside out, even the ones he didn't get,

(01:40:46):
and I think he gives you a lag up. And
I think Matt Roll and his staff will have a
book on a lot of these kids. And if there
is some quarterback out there who's calling his eye over
the last few years, um, maybe not even a kid
for this year's draft. And certainly you know, the don't
be aware of it, and he and Marty can can
figure out a plan, um, you know, to get them
so that that could factor into cam in some way.

(01:41:08):
But but I don't think, um, I don't think it
has an immediate impact on the situation. What's the reaction
of Dallas Cowboys hiring Marke McCarthy Jerry? You know, look,
Jerry's trying to win right now, and Jerry's um, you know,
risk averse at this point, and as much as some
of these college guys and what they were doing really

(01:41:29):
attracts him, and he thinks, Man, if it works, it
could be a slam, you know, an absolute grand Slam
with my talent. At this point, you know where we
are and the way they underachieved this year. I think
he's looking for He obviously was looking for something that's
a little more plug and play, a little more established. Um,
you know, maybe we're gonna hit a you know, a
bunch of doubles in a home run. And it might
not be We're not going to reinvent the wheel, but

(01:41:51):
you know, we might win a lot of football games.
This guy has always won a lot of football games,
and he's always been around the playoffs. Um. Interested to
see how that staff shakes out as well. Um, but
Mike McCarthy is a good football coach and and you know, people,
people will respect him in that building. Um, are they
going to win Super Bowls? I don't know. Jerry doesn't
win Super Bowl since Jimmy left. And and you know,

(01:42:13):
Jerry is still the GM and Jerry still thinks every
year he's got the best roster in the league. And
you know, what I mean, they're all ready to pend
out the rings out in Knoxnard, California, every July. I
don't think that Circus is leaving town. And that Circus
has been a problem for other successful coaches in the past. Yeah,
and it's and it's you know, we talked about limiting factors.
It's a limiting factor in their search. Right, You're gonna
do it with Jerry. You're gonna do it Jerry's way,

(01:42:34):
all right? So what's left for the Browns? Josh McDaniels
and then patch work? I mean, what are the options
there for them? No? I mean, look, I Robert Salt
a very strong interview there, the defensive coordinator. You know,
they want to talk to Josh, they want to talk
to Kevin Stefanski. Um. I expect to hire to be
one of those three. But I will not rule out
urban Meyer until somebody else is hired. I just won't.

(01:42:55):
He's got the kind of relationship with Jimmy Haslum where
they could hash it out on a phone call if
if they had to, if if Jimmy's not blown away
by these guys are not totally comfortable or just thinks
you know what? Um for where I am right now.
I need I need a taskmaster. Um, so we'll see. Uh,
you know their process is ongoing. Um they did clear

(01:43:17):
the deck at least in terms of John Dorsey, but
the deep Podesta factor. You know, some of these guys
it won't matter too but others it might. J L. C.
Jason Slocket for joining us Doug otlib show here on
Fox Sport tradeo to a logan declared for the NFL draft.
He says he the doctors haven't even really been able
to give him a true sense of what the hip

(01:43:39):
is healing. Like he said, some people think it's like
a knee. I've never heard anybody say it's like a knee. Um,
what what? What are you because because you know people
were tanking for him, now there's a lot of unknown
What are you hearing about? To a stock? I think
is if what the Alabama doctors were saying is true, Um,

(01:44:01):
don't I think he's going in the first round? Uh?
If it's If it's not, If he isn't on the
cond of trajectory that they've been um leading people to believe. Um,
if there is any sort of setback, if there's any
sort of other procedure that needs to be done. Um.
You know that, then maybe he slips, but you know there,
I think he's again barring the unforeseen physically, I think

(01:44:26):
this kid is going in the first round. What are
you hearing about Tom Brady and his future? A lot
of questions, a lot of things to be sorted through.
Is he still right for them or they still right
for me? Um? It's a two way street, and he
obviously will play a critical role and wherever he ends
up um, And could Robert Kraft try to build bridges

(01:44:47):
and kumbaya at all? Up? I mean he might, but
it's gonna have to be backed up by like a
true vision. And okay, like how are we getting wide receivers,
how are we getting tight ends? How are we getting
offensive lineman? Um? And it's not it's it's not a
certainty that he's back for the first time and forever.
It really isn't. And there is a real chance that

(01:45:08):
he's playing somewhere else next year. I still say the Chargers,
That's what I was here in the middle of the year.
That's the one that for a lot of different reasons
post football career, current roster Glitz glam Um location you
know where the wife wants to be, where Alex Guerrero
already is, where Tom House already is pretty close to

(01:45:30):
the parents, you know, the grand you know grandparents are
now only you know what a thirty minute flight down
from San Francisco or whatever on a private plane. I
don't think there's mean, Look, there's not. It's not like,
you know, there's twenty teams that are gonna make sense
for him, and it's going to be a relatively small number.
And in terms of where it would make sense for
them and where it would make sense for him, I

(01:45:50):
put in you know, I put the charges the top
of the list. Jason law Camp for j l C.
Great stuff, great year, playoffs, roll on, Look to talk
to you next week. Thank for joining us? Was Jerry Jones? Right?
Is Jason Garrett gonna be coaching in the NFL this season?
Find out next. Be sure to catch the live edition
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(01:46:12):
Easter noon Pacific. The Press by what he got, Doug,
we got a bunch to get to. Let's start out
this despite a push from the student body, unless you
will not cancel classes on Monday as the football team
plays Clemson for the National Championship that night in New Orleans.

(01:46:33):
It's the start of the spring semester. Some students wanted
the semester to start a day later on Tuesday, January.
Not gonna happen, though, those uh Tigers are gonna have
to go to class on Monday and then later that
night watch the National Championship. So I mean it's the
first day of the semester though, right, like they passed

(01:46:54):
out the syllabus. Yeah, exactly. Mean I actually liked this
thing because if you canceled classes, that means you have
to make it up at a later day, like you
have it. Nobody goes whatever game still on, nobody said he.
And by the way, the game is in New Orleans,
so you can do both unless you have night classes. Correct. Yeah.

(01:47:19):
The other thing is, it's so amazing that I've been
town gatings in seven thirty. I got this eleven thirty class.
Whoa you got tis well with l s us run.
They win the national championship in oh three when Saban
was the head coach, beating Oklahoma in New Orleans. Yeah,
and then they beat Ohio State in New Orleans. They
played Alabama in New Orleans and now yeah, yeah, I

(01:47:43):
don't know if it's cool. It's just quite a coincidence.
The New York Giants did not request an interview for
their offensive coordinator position with Jason Garrett s and wise Is.
The Giants requested an interview with Garrett for their head
coaching position, which was then filled earlier today. Joe Judge
man game over man weird right, Yes, yeah, it was. Yeah.

(01:48:08):
I mean like, look, I I get if you want
to hire a guy and you're like, I got another guy,
but you can take a breath. And I think they
thought Joe Judge is gonna take the Mississippi State job.
If they didn't, if they didn't pull the trigger. Yeah,
and that's good agenting. Whoever's agent is, that's good agenting.
A position submitted to the State of Ohio Medical Board
listed being a Brownson Bengals fan is a possible condition

(01:48:32):
that would allow for a medical mirror want a prescription.
So this was submitted where you had things like anxiety, depression,
those sorts of things. One of the twenty eight conditions
on this petition was being a Bengals or Browns fan.
I love it a little sarcasm, little sarcasm. It is weird,

(01:48:55):
like half the states in the country, or not even half,
it's legal, and then the others are not. Just it's
an odd thing. But we used to be here with
the lottery for for a long time. In their states,
it didn't allowed the lottery. You know, Yahoo Sports is
that Lakers forward Anthony Davis turned down a max extension
offer from the Lakers four years, one forty six million.

(01:49:17):
Maybe not much of a surprise. He's gonna head the
free agency where the Lakers could offer him a five
year MAX deal with two hundred and two million dollars
billion dollars. Yeah, this is just I mean, he's going
to be a Laker. He's not going anywhere. He's having
a great year. Seems to be having a great time
barr And And honestly, what hasn't been mentioned is Frank
Vogel is a really good coaching, a very good job,

(01:49:37):
and the players seem to respect him. The NBA is
reportedly discussing the possibility of receiving the NBA playoffs when
it reaches the conference finals. This may be in favor
by the executives, maybe not so much with NBA owners,
but ESPN says The proposal could cost travel issues and
would be voted on by the league's Board of governors
in April. Is possibly a part of the new league calendar. Yeah.

(01:49:58):
I mean, look, that's the big issue, is flying all
over and I think it hurts TV. It could hurt
TV badly, badly. You know, we only think of, well,
let's just have the two best teams in the finals,
but one they have to actually get to the finals.
And you know, we're thinking about the West Coast. Now
we need to have the West Coast playing East Coast.

(01:50:19):
But it also hurts the numbers for the West Coast.
So I'm not sure there's a really good solution. ESPN
reports Major League Baseball is expected to announce harsh punishment
for the Astros in the next couple of weeks in
connection with their signs stealing scandal. What do you think
they do? Um, I think there's gonna be some year
long suspensions. I don't know if they'll strip them of

(01:50:39):
their World Series, but I think we could see guys
not in their positions for a while. You mean in
the front office, yes, but didn't the players do it?
Maybe even the managerial didn't players do it? Like my
old thing is like yeah, I mean, like, look if
it is if it is a team wide, then you know,
punish the team. No problem there none. But players knew

(01:51:02):
what they were doing and knew it was like a
guy paying on the trash and like, dude, I didn't
know that a trash canman fastball. Finally, dug. Some of
the new XFL rules have been released. We touched on
this a bit earlier. Over time will be a shootout style.
You get five separate plays from the five yard line,
each one counting as a try. That's not like a drive.
If you make four out of five of the other

(01:51:24):
team makes three out of five, you win, no extra points,
only one foot needed in bounds. There will be nine
officials touchbacks to the thirty five no coin toss. Yes,
ten minute a half times you're gonna have a quick
turnaround and then uh running the clock out in completions
outside of two minutes. And then the two forward passes.
The first pass has to be behind the line of scrimmage,

(01:51:46):
but then you could also throw down field after that
if okay, but what at the first past final line
of scrimmage is dropped? Is that a fumble? Um? Yes,
I think it would be I would say it is
excuse you know, that would be a complete being a
complete past. Right. This is like Bill Belichick. He'd review
these rules and know the loophole, and Mike Vrable would

(01:52:07):
copy and then use that loophole against Bill Belichick. Backing
out there, impressed that was the press. H Dana Jeremiah
joins us. Tomorrow we'll see if the Browns hire somebody
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