January 13, 2020 • 49 mins
Doug reacts to the Astros getting suspensions and fines for their sign stealing scheme when they won the World Series in 2017. He also discusses Lamar Jackson and the Ravens losing to the Titans at home and what it tells you about Baltimore’s offense. Plus, FOX Sports College Football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show to preview the National Championship game between Clemson and LSU.
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We have a huge game tonight between the Tigers and
the Tigers, and that's about like six or seven on
the list of things I want to get to. Don't
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get me wrong, We're gonna get to it. You don't
get me wrong, We're gonna get to it. We have
a complete discussion for you on all four of the
NFL games upcoming with Trent Dofer, like we no Stone
will be on turn. We got a ton to get to. Okright,
so you convent about Bill O'Brien. I'm gonna ask him
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about b o b and how much he's to blame.
We'll talk about Tennessee to Tennessee have a chance this weekend.
Of course, we'll talk about Lamar. Is that Lamar ceiling?
Is that Smar ceiling? Your boy feeling kind of good
about himself, just saying and by the way, we're doing
that thing in the media now where where if you
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criticize Lamar, you're a hater. Only it's just the Lamar
discussion borders on ridiculous. We'll get to that. Um, how
good are the Niners? Is that cousins ceiling? What are thoughts?
And the Packers and you know Pete Carroll screwed that
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thing up trying to shove Marshawn Lynch down the Packers
throats when Marshawn Lynch was retired for a reason. There's
a reason Marshawn Lynch was retired. But before we get
to all that, let's get to the breaking news of
the day. That's that the Major League Baseball has suspended
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has suspended Astro's general manager Jeff Luneo and their manager A. J.
Hinch for the entire season. The team has been fined
five million dollars. They're gonna lose their first and second
round picks in two thousand twenty one. They're also expected
to soon make an announcement on Alex Cora. Alex Cora
is now the manager of the Red Sox. Of course,
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the Red Sox shocker here apparently did some similar stuff,
but only during the regular season. That's what we're led
to believe. Okay, no players will be suspended. The World
Series will not be taken away. What Major League Baseball
is saying is that the Astros did it. They admitted it.
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The sign stealing scheme was developed by players and then
Astro's bench coach Alex Cora. They set up a live
game feed camera in their replay review room as a
way to decode teams pitching signals and relayed them to
the catcher by the catcher as it related to the
catcher to the pitcher. They eventually evolved into the trash
can banging to relay the hit or what type of
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pitch they could expect a J. Hinch expressed its displeasure
with the scheme on two occasions by physically damaging the
replay monitor. However, Hinge did admit that he did not
try and stop her properly notify players or Cora about
his displeasure with the scheme, as Jeff Luna uh stated
here in the memo detailed. But while no one can
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dispute that Luna's Baseball Operations Department is an industry leader
in analytics, it very clear to me that the culture
of the Baseball Operations Department manifesting itself, the way its
employees are treated, its relation with other clubs, and it's
relations with the media and external stakeholders has been very problematic.
In other words, everyone's been saying, these guys are a holes.
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They'll do anything it takes to win. They got caught
cheating in Major League Baseball. Is like, we're gonna punish
everybody but the players who perpetrated the scheme, But we're
gonna We're gonna stop short of taking away a World Series.
This is a mistake by Major League Baseball. This is
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a mistake. And I understand, I understand you're talking about
historical significance. You know, and you're trying to figure out
how does this stack up with the Black Sox scandal,
how does it stack up with the steroid scandal? But
you know what, like, look, this is what people always
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say about cheating, is that you know, in sports, the
rewards do kind of out out out rank um, the
ramifications they just do. Yeah, they they perpetrated a scheme
to cheat. Hey, to cheat. Everyone knows it's cheating. There's
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a difference between stealing signs and the guys on second
base and what the Houston Astros did. But Major League
Baseball and Rob Manfred stopped short of taking away a
World Series. Here's Dan Buyer with more breaking news. Breaking
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news from Fox Sports. Doug Astro's owner Jim Crane just
announcing they have dismissed Jeff Luno, the Astro's general manager
and skipper A. J. Hinch following these punishments today. You okay, dude,
I have a rough throat. But we weren't expecting this.
I didn't you know, didn't get the lozenge in the mouth.
But no, it actually sounds really good. But it was
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more the exasperation in your voice, like like you were, um,
what's what's what's the coach your Hugh Freeze in the
hospital bed like Doug, Doug, we have breaking news. We
gotta go beee. You know what. I'm doing this for
a movie role. That's what it's for. It sounds very good.
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Smelly Cat, that's your smelly cat voice. Um, you're a
huge baseball fan. What's your reaction. Um, I'm more surprised
that they were dismissed, that they were fired. I think
you have to. I think you have to. You know,
it's it's the the whole Jeff little that like it's
at thirty, Remember, um, the Astros. The Astros accused the
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Cardinals right of stealing their compute her stuff. But there's
a lot of people that they found out that that
did happen, right, But but a lot of people think, like, hey,
Jeff Luna was doing some stuff was you know when
he was with the Cardinals that he shouldn't have been doing.
I would I would look, I I think I understand
why Jeff Luna loses his job, but he's going to
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get another job. Okay, he built a perennial contender, and
we can all sit here and act like he's the
worst human being on earth. But in sports, if you
build a perennial contender, Like look in my business, we
have people that have gotten in trouble for things that
they have done. But when you're really, really, really really
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good at your job, you get on the opportunities, and
as long as you don't harm women, children, you're not
some evil person that belongs in jail. Uh. I think
this is a mistake from baseball. I think they should
have taken away the World Series. I think it would
have been a great statement for baseball now as opposed
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to what baseball was. Would it be overly harsh? Sure
it would be. It would be. There's a case in Connecticut,
and I'm not going to say the guy's name because
he's a former neighbor of mine and a home builder.
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And if you're following the national news, he's accused of what,
I you know, one of the most grizzly crimes you
can ever commit, not only murder, but that of his
ex wife, who gave birth to their five children, two sets,
two twins. To set the twins like, again, murder is
should be punishable by death or by life imprisonment without
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chance parole. But I mean, you're killing the mother of
your children anyway, I think there should be exceptions, like, look,
I get it, Connecticut, you don't have the death penalty,
but that guy deserves to die if he is actually
convicted in the court of law of what he with
there are mountains of evidence that seemed to prove what
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he has done. Again, he'll have his day in court.
There are certain crimes where you go, yeah, I get that,
we don't want, but that guy's gotta go. There are
certain crimes in sports where you go, you know, this
is the most we can do. Yeah, No, you cannot
make it because what punishment do the players get? Where
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do they get? Think about I have no idea how
much it affected Clayton Kershaw or the rest of the
the l A Dodgers effectiveness in the seven game World Series,
We don't know, but they knowingly perpetrated this scheme. And
think of how we think of of Clayton Kershaw now
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right of the Dodgers. Now, I'm not Ramos is a
Dodger fan. I am not a Dodger fan. I like
going to Dodger games. I think it's the best stadium
in baseball. You know, Clayton Kershaw is the same birthday
as my little dude, My little dudes left handed, Like
there's a lot of things, I mean twenty two and
number twenty two and he's got that little slide step like, look,
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this is where this is where I actually give credit
to the n c A. Okay, the n c A
a lot of a lot. They'll say, oh, what are
you doing taking down banners? What does it mean? It's symbolic.
You're never gonna take away Game seven of the World Series, kry,
But but you admitted to the crime. The only thing
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you can do to these players, only thing that you
can really do that really says we are not going
to Like, why would a player not find another way
to cheat and steal signs? He didn't do anything to
the Astros players. Nothing zero that makes you maybe this
is the this is the most we can do. No,
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it's not take away the World's series. Guess what people
won't do. They won't steal signs in the World Series again, Right,
there are some crimes where you go, you know, maybe
that's a little bit too harsh a penalty. Okay, you
know they can sue for the to get the World
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Series back whatever, But I think that Rob Manfred missed
a golden opportunity to say baseball is different now than
it was during steroids that blatantly chief cheating, because because
that's what steroids did, that we we do forget not
everybody was using steroids. Not everybody's using steroids, and and
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historically we got all these players whose numbers pale in
comparison to steroid era. But we refused to put asterix
by it. We're free to refused to kick guys out
of baseball. They get to keep their money. Why do
they get to keep the records? No, the astros can
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keep their money. Why they get to keep the records.
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does every week here on the Doug Gotlieb Show. Um,
let's start with I think the most surprising upset is
that the Titans go in and run rough shot over
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the Ravens defense. They get, the Ravens get behind um
an early interception by Lamar Jackson, and he's unable to
bring them from behind, even though the yardage would tell
you that um he was. He is able to throw
the ball relatively effectively in the second half. Let's start
with Lamar. Are we seeing his ceiling now? Is this
his ceiling forever? Like? How does a quarterback like you
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look at Lamar now that we have a season and
a half of work and two playoff games. You know,
I actually just think it was a stinker. And I'm
chalking it up to that Peyton had stinkers, Elway had stinkers,
Marino had stinkers. Far I've had stinkers. You know, all
great quarterbacks are going to have a game where it
just isn't as easy early on as they expect and
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the kind of steam rolls on them. And actually Lamar
did a lot of good things, but you can't throw
two interceptions and bumble the ball. I think he made
a panic decision on the pork downs and try to
jump it outside a gap instead of staying inside. Um.
I think Lamar will be a great player. I do
think it's unique, it's not traditional, and he has to
have the complimentary people around them in a play call
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advise into it. You got the ideata um, But I'm
not gonna jump on this thing and say, oh, look it.
You gotta be able to throw from the pocket and
and win in the playoffs. I just think he made
some mistakes, didn't play his best football defensively, didn't play
their best football. Um. Up front, they didn't play their
best football. Their offensive line on their short yard situations
was brutal. So kind of snowballed on him. Um. But
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I do think the thing I do love about Lamar Jackson,
what makes me a big fan of his is how
he transforms himself from year one to year two. He
takes a very workmanlike approach to this thing, and that's
why he's a pro. That's why his teammates love him.
He'll go to the drawing board this offseason He's gonna
address throwing outside the numbers better, which is what the
Titans made him do. He's gonna address some of the
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things that got him in trouble, and I think he'll
come back next year. Uh, just as freakishly as good
an athlete and dynamic a playmaker, and more a little
more discerning and a little wiser as a player. Yeah,
I think it's I think the the we all we
do this thing where we take a snapshot and and look.
I think fans who defend Lamar do it as well,
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where they say, uh, people missed on him. They did,
but in fairness like he wasn't nearly as accurate as
he has been. Some of it is the personnel they
put around it, but a lot of it is that
he's gotten better. You know, guys do get better, and um,
it's not something that you know, Mike Vick has said
he didn't have the work ethic. That's why he didn't
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get better as a passer. So I think it's I
think it's gonna be fascinating. The question to me is, um,
those speedy linebackers or what the what the Chargers did?
Do you believe teams will adjust their personnel in the
off season, um to one team, they're already they're already
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adjusting their personnel. You know, it's there's more hybrid linebackers,
there's more hybrid safeties, not just for Lamar Jackson, just
because of the modern day offenses that attack you so
many different ways, spread juice thin, but also can run
the ball um. I think it's more scheme or oriented
around Lamar, and I think like what the Titans did
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was pretty simple. They used a lot of twists up
front to disrupt the reads of his in the zone
read game. Uh, they flooded the middle of the field
with an extra defender, whether it be zone or man
extra as we call it, an extra guy in the middle.
Because the majority of the damage he does in the
passing game is is kind of between the hashes, those
steam routes, the crossing routes, you know, plays designed for
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tight ends. They forced him to throw the ball outside
the numbers. I mean, go back watch that game. I
don't think he had a like a stop route out route, uh,
pivot route whatever you wanna call it, where the number
one receiver outside ran up for ten yards, turn around
and caught the ball. Um. He wasn't as accurate. The
receivers didn't scare the corners. Um, it was just one
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of those things that they kind of wrote the book
on the passing game and the zone read game in
Baltimore adjusted that, but to both to defend Baltimore is
more scheme related than personnel related. Doug Alex here on
Fox Sports Radio, all right, what do we make a
Tennessee um one kind of similar game plan we saw
to to last week? How do you how does that
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Tannehill is running into the same category you ran into
right where he wins, and it's obviously better with him
in there. But you can't pinpoint it with with yardage
and with statistics for somebody who's played the position and
understands what it's like to be a part of winning
and doing the right thing and not making mistakes. When
you see Ryan tanney Hill play, what do you see
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that's changed the Titans from when Marcus Mariota was their quarterback. Well,
I'll qualify this so people don't think I'm justifying. You know,
twenty years ago, when I played, I would have loved
to throw him fame. I did it in college. You know,
I put up stupid numbers in college at the time,
and it was a lot of fun and it's a
more fun way of playing. It's not necessarily transferable every
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week on certain teams, and it's not necessarily the way
to win super goals in the NFL. UM. And it's
kind of how you're built. A lot of kind of
a lot of the circles talking to Ryan Tannehill and
the Titans of how they're built. Um, they're built right now.
So it's just the back half of the season for
high volume of carry's. They are better when there's a
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lot of runs. UM. The offensive line is playing great.
Derrick Henry's obviously just a dominant physical force, a great player. UM.
So you're gonna build your team and build your philosophy
around how you're built. And then the quarterback, it's not
about um yards. It's more about conversions. It's more about
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critical downs. It's more about maximizing opportunity. So when you
have lower throw volume, it's harder to have a higher
completion percentage because you're taking away all the gimmeings. Tell me,
the last time you saw Ryan Tannehill for a line
of scrimmage play outside of a half back screen, you
know they've taken all those gimmicky first and second down
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cheap completion how and turn them into carries for Derrick Henry.
And then now what you have as a quarterback. It's
gonna change the launch point, move the pocket, take shots
down the field, and primarily throw on third down. Your
numbers aren't gonna be as good, but if you're successful
at it, it's a really good formula for winning. And
Ryan's bought into that. I bought into it, um. But
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don't forget there were game I mean, Ryan Tannehill brought
that team back in the fourth quarter multiple times this
year on his arm. It wasn't Derrick Henry till late
in the season that took over fourth quarters. It was
Ryan Tannehill that took over fourth quarters. So he can
do both. That's what I appreciate about how he's played
the position this year is that he's been able to
be the gun slinger and bring it back from a
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death of hit, and he's been able to be the
game manager and just maximize his throw opportunities and understand
where his bread is butter and that turned his back
and line of scrimmage and give it to Derrick Henry.
That's the voice of Trent Dill, first Super Bowl champion quarterback.
All right, so did they have what is the I mean, like, look,
the game plan is the same against the Chiefs, right,
limit the positions, possessions, run the football short in the game. Um,
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do do they have? Do you believe they have what
it takes to shorten the game to make it competitive
with the high scoring Chiefs? Absolutely? I also think they're
not afraid to throw it a little bit in the
first quarter, you know that. That's one of the things too,
is you know, a lot of Henry's success has been
late in games, and they've been willing to be balanced
until that till that spot. So I don't think if
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you're the Chiefs you can just sit there and you're
gonna hear like super lame things said this week on
TV by people don't know what they're talking about. Putting
nine guys in the box virtually impossible based on formation,
um blitz the run constantly on the way to the past.
Like you gonna hear all these like um cliche statements
by analysts that really don't know what they're talking about.
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How you do this if you're the Chiefs, you have
to play balanced, you know, if you're gonna watch all
their film, you're gonna have every single snap they've taken
on offense this year, and you're gonna see a diverse
passing game. You're gonna see Brown running a bunch of
different routes. You're gonna see Davis run a bunch of
different rounds. You're gonna see the athletic tight end running
a bunch of different routs. You're gonna see him throw
the ball out of the backfield. You're gonna see a
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comprehensive pass game, lots of protections, changing the launch point.
You're gonna be like, holy smokes, we had to defend
all this. Oh yeah, and by the way, we also
got to defend Derrick Henry. So you're still gonna get
a KNCI Chiefs team that is calling their defense is
based on what they think you're gonna do. So you
have them in a guessing game. Wouldn't surprise me at
all if they guess run that the Titans come out
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really aggressively in the passing game and move the ball
and established some you know, put some air in the
defense in the passing game early, knowing that eventually at
the end of the day, big Boy is gonna get
his thirty carries. Try deal for joining us in the
Doug Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. How much of
the collapse do you put on Bill O'Brien, I put
it a sum on him. I put most on their
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offensive defensive front. And here's why I'm glad you're asking
the question. I wanted to say that's on calling the moors.
They bothered me the most about this weekend offensive lineman
from the day they were born. Then then they grew
up and they wear T shirts in the pool as teenagers,
and then they start lifting. They get big, and then
they get aggressive, then they get strong and they become dominant.
All we want to do is run the football. They
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know they get to run the football the best. When
you have a lead, all levels of football, junior high football,
high school football, college football, pro football. We get a lead.
That means you get to run block more. There's nothing
they love more than to run block. They live to
run block. And they had a twenty four point lead,
and they didn't move the line of scrimmage. I looked
at those runs when they're at Billy called them. They
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didn't move anybody, and Candacy wasn't blitz in the day run.
They just weren't moving a chief defensive front seven that
isn't very good. They weren't moving them off the ball.
So I'm really disappointed in the Texans offensive line and
their defensive line. And I'd say if J. J. Watt
was sitting next to me, I'd tell him this, what
do you live for? JJ? I lived a hunt when
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you get to hunt the best when we have the lead.
Yet you had a twenty four nothing lead. You knew
they were gonna pass on of the plays. Why didn't
you hunt? Why don't you boys go hunt? And how
could you not get to Patrick Mahomes? How could you
not disrupt him and not allow that to happen? Go
back and watch the game. He had nice, big, clean pockets,
or he broke contained because they broke down in their
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pass rushing lanes and he got to the edge. I mean,
I am disgusted with how the Houston Texans big boys
on both sides of the ball played because of the
circumstances in the game. You live to play in those
games if you're a big boy, both on the offensive
front and the defensive front. So Billing deserves some has
some culpability in this absolutely, but ultimately that lies on
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those big guys for the Houston Texas. Yeah, but he
did call the fake punt, which was odd, and then
he did kick you know, they did try to kick
a field goal instead of you know, instead of going
four on fourth and one. Those Yeah, there's some decisions. Yeah,
there's some decisions. But you have a twenty four point lead.
I don't care if you're playing Superman like. That's what
those big guys believe in. You know, they just believe it. Oh,
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you get us a two score lead, and we're gonna
hunt you on the defensive run use two store score leader.
We're going to run the ball seventy percent of the
time and pounded down your throat and wear you out.
I mean, that's the internal conversation going on um in
football locker rooms. And for them not to be able
to to back up that type of bravado um is
really ultimately what gotta be Alright, So what what of
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the chiefs? I mean, this is really the difference between
Mahomes and and so many of the other quarterbacks is
that you know it, they can make up ground so
so quickly. Uh, did did we learn anything about Pat
Mahomes and the Chiefs from their comeback so explosive. Um.
I mean, you know we've been saying that. I don't
think anybody saw anything revelatory yesterday. He's a transformational talent player.
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He's creative, he's talented. Um, he's tough, he's a great leader,
he doesn't flinch. So I mean that you just go
on and on and on. Um. He's the modern day
far with probably a little more diserb than Brett had Um.
There's no there's no circumstance where they don't have the
firepower um to get through it. Uh. It's obviously the
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most exciting brand of football to watch. Um. I mean
it's hard to say a lot of anything but just
superlatives about them. UM. I do think though it's gonna
be interesting. There are tea I mean, this guy they're
about to play, Mike Rabel, who I think is one
of the finest coaches in all the football. I've been
saying it all year long. Um, he's not going to
be scared saying his first rodeo against going against somebody
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explosive and he played against Peyton Manning all those years.
You contain it, you know, you pick your spots to
contain this type of explosives unless the Chiefs can run
the football, unless they can establish the dominance in line
of scrims. I'm not saying rush for a hundred fifty yards.
I'm saying run the ball. Um, I think the Titans
have a really good chance to contain it. Doug Gallup show,
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you're on Fox Sports Trail. Let's go to the NFC side.
Um Is, did we just see the Do we see
the ceiling of Kirk Cousins. I mean, that's a really
good defense by the by the Niners. I thought it
was a little conservative um play calling. Um. I think
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Kurt is a guy that uh has constantly feasted on
the average teams in the league and as yet to
prove himself against the big boys. I think that's a
hurdle that he needs to get through. I didn't think
he looked overwhelmed. I just think he didn't handle the
clutter and the dizziness of the pocket that the forty
Niners put you put you in quite as well as
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he could. They also played keep away from him. I
mean the Niners had a brilliant game plan. You know,
they carred the ball, they handed up forty seven times. Um,
they kept the ball out of the Viking's hands. They
were awesome on third down, they limited possessions. So um,
I'm never gonna give the quarterback all the blame in
those things. But I've been very honest about Kirk Cousins.
I think he's a very, very gifted pastor. He's a
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really good football are but he's yet to prove it
against really the giants of the league. Okay, what about
Jimmy Garoppolo what we learned? I thought Jimmy played really
well except for the one interception. Again, it's kind of
the Tannet Tannehill situation is stats aren't gonna, um necessarily
reflect how well he played. But especially that first drive,
he was super decisive. He got it out quick. Um.
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You know, he manipulated the defense at times. But then
you get into one of those games and really you're
just you know that you have the game one if
you don't make a mistake. And I think after you
threw the interception, there was definitely a realization of Okay, now,
let's let's not be an egomaniac here, Let's keep handing
the ball off. Let's make some safe throws. They're not
gonna score a lot of points. Keep moving the ball.
If we just kicked field goals the rest of the game,
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We're going to the championship games. So it is a
tough position. It's a just being there, um back in
two thousand. It's a hard way to play because we
ltimately you're trying to win your ego. You know, you
definitely want to be aggressive. We're trained to be aggressive. Um,
but you you ultimately have to live back when I'm
trying to win this game, and the best way to
win this game is not screw it up. And you
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can kind of see you can see Jimmy go into
that mode, which is just fine when you have that
type of defense and that type of running game. Doug
gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay, let's
let's let's get to Packers Seattle. Um. Like some are
underwhelmed by the Packers. My thought is this is kind
of by this is who they are by design. I
didn't think their offense got a little stale in the
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second half, but you know, by design, get a lead.
Now you have a great pass rush and you have
the ultimate bailout in Aaron Rodgers and when he had to,
he seemed to make all the laser like Aaron Rodgers
sorts of throws. UM. I don't necessarily understand Seattle's game plan.
I know they're a running team, but they lost all
their running backs. I would have thought they would have
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opened it up a little bit earlier. To Russell Wilson,
give me your sense of what we saw in lambau
Field last night. I mean your analysis of the Packers
is spot on. Um. There are more balanced team this year.
There are three face football team. They play complimentary football.
Erin's job has been easier for the bulk of the downs,
which I think any great play caller, head coach is
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gonna do. He's gonna try to lighten the burden off
the quarterback. Comorrow. How great that quarterback is trusting so
saving those superhero plays, Um, for those third longs and
and Aaron delivered on those. Um. I think the Packers
are really good. I do. I don't think they're great.
I don't think they're just chop limber. I think they're
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really good team because there are three face football team.
I do think you know, if you're gonna trust one
guy with the ball late in the game, in a
one score game, Aaron is gonna be on the top
of that list. So I think it's a really good
formula to use. So I'm not down on the Packers.
I like everybody else, see that they maybe lack dimensions
here or there of explosiveness. UM, but I take the
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boring sizzle, I mean the boring steak over the hot
and flashy sizzle. Uh to win a Super Bowl. I
think with the Seahawks, they're in a tough spot. They
can't pass protect if the other team knows they're throwing,
so they kind of by design have to make you
think they're going to run the ball. UM. Although for
that game, I'm with you. I think Russell, you know,
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is arguably one of the best players in football, if
not the best. I would unleashed him a little bit earlier. UM,
But I understand, you know, Pete's philosophy of of always
wanting to make the other team think they're gonna run
the ball so they have a better chance and pass
protection just how that team's built. Um. And end of
the day, end of the day, they did have there.
They did have the same thing we've always seen, right,
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Russell Wilson with the ball down five, a chance to
win the game. So I mean, like, look, we can
be critical of what they didn't do up until that point,
but it did resemble every Seahawks game ever where Russell
had the ball and a chance to win it and
in this particular case, he couldn't do it. Yeah. And
then you know the other key player that game that
I didn't hear anybody talk about today after I've watched everything,
but you know, the two point conversion of making a
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three point game. Um. One of the one of the
problems with having a running back off this tree that
hasn't been in your systems past protection. It's not just
running the football. Everybody was untouched, completely untouched. Yeah, and
that and that was Marshawn's guy, And you can see
Marshawn put his hands on his head as the guy
ran by and like, oh no, I missed him. Um.
And that's a critical playing the game because now you're
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down three with the ball, and now it's not only
trying to get in the field goal range. So that
was a really critical play in the game. The Seahawks
had what it was tough sled from at the end
of the year. That's a beat up football team that's
a resilient football team. Um, I thought they played their
hearts out. Obviously there's no consolation prize in the NFL.
But you know, I'm not gonna bang on the Seahawks
because there's no excuses the NFL. But there surely are
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reasons and there were reasons why that team didn't play
their best football. All right, So who wins this weekend?
I don't know. On the Chiefs Titans. I actually I
think I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Titans.
I just like how they're built against the Chiefs team
and I and I really really mean this. This time
last year was talking about the baby and the greatest
coaches Plice Bread and I love MC. I do think
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he's one of the great coaches. Mike Gratbel needs to
be in that conversation what he's done with this team
and and maybe nobody knows because the Titans and nashally
not talked about that much. But I live in Nashville,
so I've gotten to see it weekend and week out,
in the hard decisions he's made, in the drama he's handled,
and how he's tough in this team up and how
they've gotten better every week, and I've been consistent with
this messaging all the things that great head coaches do,
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and I put him at the top of the list.
I like the Titans, and I think the Niners are
the closest thing to great we have in the NFL.
I don't think we have great anymore, um, but I
think we have really really darn good and have a
lot of dimensions. And that's I said earlier in the year.
I think the four Niners is the best team in football,
and I think they're going to prove themselves through the
course of this thing. And of course they've already beaten
the package this year. And I you know, the formula
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by which they play is the one in which you
usually dismantled the Packers running that football. Trent great Stuff.
Can't wait to talk next week. We'll have two super
Bowl teams. Of course, we also want to pick your
brain on the upcoming NFL Draft. We really appreciate you
joining us at all. As always, all right, thanks, I
told you everything you possibly need to know. Um. We
will get to the Cleveland Browns upcoming next They finally
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found a head coach. Big deal, little deal or no deal.
I'll tell you next. Be sure to catch the live
edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific. Well, I'm led to believe by Lamar
jackson sycophants is hey man, he's just a kid. Now.
He can't take away from the MVP season. He's just
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a kid. Okay, what if I told you that Lamar
Jackson has been a home favorite against a wild card
team in both of those playoff games that change your mind.
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I will grant you this is only his first and
second year in the National Football League, So while we
can't have ridiculous and unrealistic expectations based upon his first
and second playoff game, if you want to tell me
that the guy is the I the guys, the m
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v P of the league, the most valuable player in
the league. Actually, because he didn't play well Saturday and
they collapsed, it could give you a if you want
better argument. Um, I don't think that's what this is
all about. The Lamar Jackson critique is not about race.
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Lamar Jackson critique is not about age. Lamar Jackson critique
is about nothing more. Then we have thirty forty years
of history, especially the last twenty five years of modern
NFL history that show us that that type of quarterback,
and we have the last ten years of football tell
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you that this type of offense, with that type of quarterback,
regardless of color of skin, regardless of age, it's jusually younger,
regardless of what school they went to, what offense they
play in that it is there is a short term
benefit and long term it becomes increasingly difficult. Then, factor
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in the injury factor, which is impossible not to point out,
and whether it's because guys get older and a little
bit slower and they get caught up, or just the
volume of carries. You simply cannot be your team's leading
rusher once you get into your fourth, fifth, sixth season.
There's not longevity in it. We've seen r G three
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have a rookie year where he took the Redskins to
the playoffs. We've seen Colin Kaepernick have his first year
and a half two years where he was a dynamic
player in the same offense. We've seen Tyrod Taylor take
the Buffalo Bills to the playoffs in the same offense.
We've seen Michael Vick, not necessarily the same offense, but
a similar type of electric talent with a cannon for
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an arm, albeit relatively inaccurate, and lightning bolts for legs.
I'm willing to tell you that I think I don't
think anybody would argue Lamar Jackson has and will work
harder than Mike Vick. Mike Vick, by his own accounts,
was not working hard, was not buying in. I will
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tell you, unlike r G three, They're not gonna try
and make him into a West Coast style quarterback. They
are not gonna try and square peg roundhole it. They
ain't doing that. They're all in on this style. And
I'm also willing to believe that they've They've put better
personnel around him that fit that style. The three tight
ends that the top taker offer in a Hollywood Brown,
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the running back, the offensive line, and the team, the city.
Everybody is all in on it. But if you can't
see the limitations in style, even without injury, I can't
really help you. I just can't. Fox Sports Radio has
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to listen live. Joel Clatt joins this geology travel a
ton an absolute ton. Do you have a a remedy
like I have this throat comfort tea which I went
and bought for Dan Buyer's got a little bad throat today?
(37:26):
Do you have a remedy you use when your pipes
aren't as as as golden as they appear every Saturday
on Fox. I I will always I always have just
hot water, so not tea in it, not coffee like
during a game, whether it's ninety degrees out or two
degrees I have hot water. And that's because any flavor
(37:47):
and I'm gonna get too much saliva in my mouth.
But I need the heat to keep my throat solid.
So there you go. Hot water, all right, there you go,
uh hot hot hot water. Last thing, you're a former
professional baseball player. I don't know if you heard, but
the Astros gentle manager gone, uh manager gone five million
dollar fine, But nothing to the players who perpetuated this
(38:12):
uh Stein the signs stealing Stein stealing stealing scheme. Well
that's a heart, that's a tongue twister. According to the memo,
it's the players uh and Joey and Alex cord On
Joy Alex Cora who developed. It was all their idea.
Do you think it's enough or do you think they
should have taken away the World Series? Um? I think
(38:32):
that the World Series should have been called in the question. Uh. Personally,
I feel like the suspensions for the people on top
were um solid, uh, if not light um in my estimation.
And and candidly, I feel like every player that was
on that team that took in that bat in which
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the trash can was pounded on for UH, they should
be suspended at least I would say, ten or fifteen
games of the next season, regardless of the team that
they played for. I thought that all of it was
too lenient, to be quite honest with you. And when
I threw out on Twitter right now, I was like,
what's worse? Okay, just sportsman's what's worse? Betting on baseball?
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If your pete rose or cheating intentionally in the World Series?
And it to me, it's not even close. It's cheating
in the World Series. So I think that Hinch and
and UH the general manager are lucky that they're not
gone for life. Uh. That's the voice of Joe Clatt,
lead college football analyst, course to a former college star
in Colorado. And professional baseball players join us in the
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Doug Glip Show on Fox Sports Tradio. Let's get to tonight.
You and I we we had a great discussion I
think last week about Clemson, Ohiose State. We both kind
of agreed, like, hey, oh how it's like j K.
Down is the best player in the field. Ohio State
in many ways is the better team. That said, it
doesn't matter for for tonight. Um in terms of matchups, right,
Ohio State incredible speed and their defensive backs which which
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seemed for good portion of the game to to really
marginalize the taller wide receivers of Clemson. How does l
s U let's start with Clemson's offense versus l s
u s defense. How does LSU match up with Clemson? Well,
I think that they have a shot. Listen, I think
Stingley that the freshman corner. I think he's the second
best corner in all of football, uh college football, at
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least behind Jeff Okuda. And we saw the style of
a game that Jeff Okuda had. I thought Okuda was,
you know, maybe the second best player on the field
behind j K. Dobbins in that that semi final matchup.
They also have the Thorpe Award winner and Grant Delpic. Granted,
he's not a matchup corner, and I think that's where
l s U was gonna fall a little bit short
of what Ohio State could have put on the field
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or did put on the field. In particular before Sean
Wade was ejected, was the fact that they had three
bona fide NFL corners that they could put out there,
and those wide receivers had a tough time getting off
the line of scrimmage. That bump man is something that
they're going to have to deal with now again with
L s U and those guys. Here's the Here's the
dirty secret about tall, physical wide receivers is that if
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you can get them at the line of scrimmage and
get physical with them there, it's tough for them to
release and get in their route. Now. Once they're in
their route, now they become a nightmare, Doug because they're
big frame their body. They can body you up, and
we've seen the type of kedges that catches that guys
like Higgins and Ross can make down the fields for
Trevor Lawrence. So in my estimation, the entire game plan
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for L s U defensively has to be one at
the line of scrimmage against those wide receivers if they
get free releases, if they get into the secondary. I
think it could be a long day for L s
U when it comes to defending the past. Because we
know how good the quarterback is for Clemson. I think
Lawrence is a special player, all right, So let's get
to L s use um L s US offense against
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Clemson's defense. Obviously Clemson struggle with j K. Dohmin's Dobbins,
but what he got hurt, they started to make some
plays and uh, and you know they got just enough stops.
How how does Clemson, you know, like the big question
for them they lost seven with defensive starters the NFL
from last year. How is this Clemson's defense involved and
how they match up with its vaunted L s U offense. Um,
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it's gonna sound harsh, but their defense is a bit
of a paper tiger. Statistically, they're the you know, quote
unquote number one defense in college football. But I think
if you watch that semifinal game, they were unlocked a
little bit like a Rubik's cube. And and we all
know in football that it takes a blueprint once you're
found out and it's on film, it's so much more
difficult to get back to dominating like they were earlier
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in the season against the very poor schedule out of
the A C C. For my estimation that the problem
lies in the fact that L. S U also has
the ability to feature a running back which is dynamic.
He's strong, he's loaded the ground with great center of
gravity and balance, and that's Edwards Hilaire um Clyde could
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go off in this game. Dobbins was fantastic in that
semifinal game. And then the other part of this is
that I don't think that Clemson has the depth in
the secondary to stick with the number of weapons. When
I talked with coaches who have faith L. S U
during the course of the year, here's what they say.
They say that, you know you can get away with maybe,
you know, giving some resources to Jamaar Chase or Edwards
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Hilaire and you try to stop them or him them in.
The problem is is that then the third option, the
fourth option, the fifth option can still beat you. Because
Burrow is so surgical with the ball and patient with
the ball in the pocket, he will find his third
and fourth option and That's where Justin Jefferson went off
against Oklahoma. Because Oklahoma was not deep enough to take
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away option two and three, they could sit there and
try to take away option one, and they did for
the most part because Jamar Chase didn't go off. But
Justin Jefferson went absolutely bonkers to the two of four
touchdowns in that ball game. So, uh, that's the difficult part.
And I really don't think that Clemson is going to
be able to for the entirety of the games slow
down L s U. I think this is a game
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in which l s U can score thirty five, maybe
even overt How much is playing in the dome help them?
I think it helps him a con Listen, college college athletes,
in particular, you're taking you're taking away all my pil
my points that I want to make in my closing segment.
Go ahead, fine clad lead college foot anolence college football,
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but go ahead. College playing at home kids, college kids
react more so and more positively and more emotionally and
playing in front of that environment than than guys in
the pros. Guys in the pros are pros. You know,
they don't really care where they're playing. Now here's the
other side of this. In the NFL, it's loud every
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single week for the most part, unless you play one
of the dregs of the NFL, but it's pretty loud.
So those quarterbacks get used to playing on the road
with noise. Show me the game in which Clemson had
just an absolute raucous road environment that they had to
play in where they couldn't hear the line of scrimmage
and they can't hear in the huddle, and and their
heart rates are going fast. Name it, it doesn't happen.
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That's the other part of this is that college teams,
in particular great ones, rarely get in the dog fights
on the road where they can't hear each others think
or talk. So now Clemson is going to have to
deal with that. And I would venture a guess that
they haven't dealt with that all season long, maybe even
all the way back to last year. Uh, and so
it's gonna be somewhat new for them, and I expect
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them to make a few mistakes early in that game
because of the emotion in the building, because that place
is going to be on absolute fire. They proposed some
to you. Let's say Clemson wins the game, okay, And
and one of the things that I think people in
my position, um, in the future do a bad job
is you know, some guys do tell the history. Like
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because here's what I'm saying. If they win this game,
it won't just be another national championship. It will be,
as you pointed out, a defense which statistically is good.
But let's be honest, they didn't play a very good schedule,
and it's not nearly as not not nearly as talented
as one last year. They're a They're a sizeable underdog
playing in a road game against one of the one
of the best L s U teams we've seen, specifically offensively,
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Like this would be a magnificent, monumental achievement, more so
than just winning a second national championship game in two years.
But if he does, and he's got a chance at three, like,
do we have to stay? I don't like having the
conversation before we have the conversation, but are we gonna
have to start having the conversation about him being an
all time great if he wins a night, Oh, there's
no doubt. I don't think that there's any doubt. Think
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of them. Think of it this way, um, I think
that you can categorize in this business, and I think
you do a good job of it for the um,
you know, and in several sports. But Doug, there's only
been two other teams since we broke away into Division One,
which I believe was like the late seventies. There's been
only two other teams win three titles in four years
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in college football. And that was the Nebraska teams of
Osborne in the nineties, which were all time greats, and
he's an all time great. And then what Bama did
just a few years ago, winning three and four years.
And we know exactly how we refer to those teams
and coaches, don't we They are some of the all
time grades. If Clemson does that tonight and puts themselves
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in that category, three titles in four years in in
an era in which it's a national recruiting base, everybody's
getting rich, assistance, are getting poached, so on and so forth,
and and it's at a non traditional power type school
like Clemson. I hate to say, but that's true. I
think that you can put Dabbo Sweeney right up there
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in that top five six seven coaches in the history
of the sport, no question, and I'm I was talking
more of you about Trevor Lawrence, right, like I think
Dabo is gonna be there. Um, but yeah, I mean
both of them. This should be That's a that's fascinating
you were meaning Lawrence. Listen, absolutely, that will be an
I'll be twenty and oh in college. Um, and just
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people salivating because there's there's one thing that we've all
known about. Let's just say, and I hate hesitated to
do this. We all know about Brady is that Brady
can take lesser teams in and win championships. Wouldn't you agree? Okay,
so if Lawrence does that, he's doing that tonight. If
Lawrence and Clemson wins, he's taking a lesser team and
winning a championship because they have better championship medal, because
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he might be even better. He did it against the
House State. How State was a better team than them.
If if they play ten times, I'm I firmly believe
o how State wins seven maybe eight times out of ten.
The better team was wearing a red jersey, but he
was the best player on the field. He willed them
to victory. Do you realize that Clemson won that game?
They're leading Rusher was Trevor Lawrence, they're leading receiver, or
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was Travors Travis et In. So that means that he
was manipulating his offense to find what was successful just
to win the game. He doesn't care who gets the credit.
Like he's a real, real deal competitor, and if he's
able to do that tonight, then he'll absolutely go down
as one of the better college quarterbacks of all time.
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And that's before he's got to, in a in a
farcical environment, play this ridiculst third year of college just
because that's another fight for another day. I actually kind
of agree with you, But the problem is I I
think it all works for the NFL and the NFL's favor.
I think the difference is the NFL embraces college football,
whereas the NBA has disdained for college basketball. That's why
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the NFL is so much better off with the guys staying.
There are guys that have to stay that third year
whatever um, but generally it's guys need that third year anyway,
no time for it. Awesome stuff, Joel, Congratulations on a
magnificent year, and we look forward to talk with you
next week recapping what we saw you bet
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We have a huge game tonight between the Tigers and
the Tigers, and that's about like six or seven on
the list of things I want to get to. Don't
(01:04):
get me wrong, We're gonna get to it. You don't
get me wrong, We're gonna get to it. We have
a complete discussion for you on all four of the
NFL games upcoming with Trent Dofer, like we no Stone
will be on turn. We got a ton to get to. Okright,
so you convent about Bill O'Brien. I'm gonna ask him
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about b o b and how much he's to blame.
We'll talk about Tennessee to Tennessee have a chance this weekend.
Of course, we'll talk about Lamar. Is that Lamar ceiling?
Is that Smar ceiling? Your boy feeling kind of good
about himself, just saying and by the way, we're doing
that thing in the media now where where if you
(01:44):
criticize Lamar, you're a hater. Only it's just the Lamar
discussion borders on ridiculous. We'll get to that. Um, how
good are the Niners? Is that cousins ceiling? What are thoughts?
And the Packers and you know Pete Carroll screwed that
(02:05):
thing up trying to shove Marshawn Lynch down the Packers
throats when Marshawn Lynch was retired for a reason. There's
a reason Marshawn Lynch was retired. But before we get
to all that, let's get to the breaking news of
the day. That's that the Major League Baseball has suspended
(02:28):
has suspended Astro's general manager Jeff Luneo and their manager A. J.
Hinch for the entire season. The team has been fined
five million dollars. They're gonna lose their first and second
round picks in two thousand twenty one. They're also expected
to soon make an announcement on Alex Cora. Alex Cora
is now the manager of the Red Sox. Of course,
(02:49):
the Red Sox shocker here apparently did some similar stuff,
but only during the regular season. That's what we're led
to believe. Okay, no players will be suspended. The World
Series will not be taken away. What Major League Baseball
is saying is that the Astros did it. They admitted it.
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The sign stealing scheme was developed by players and then
Astro's bench coach Alex Cora. They set up a live
game feed camera in their replay review room as a
way to decode teams pitching signals and relayed them to
the catcher by the catcher as it related to the
catcher to the pitcher. They eventually evolved into the trash
can banging to relay the hit or what type of
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pitch they could expect a J. Hinch expressed its displeasure
with the scheme on two occasions by physically damaging the
replay monitor. However, Hinge did admit that he did not
try and stop her properly notify players or Cora about
his displeasure with the scheme, as Jeff Luna uh stated
here in the memo detailed. But while no one can
(03:55):
dispute that Luna's Baseball Operations Department is an industry leader
in analytics, it very clear to me that the culture
of the Baseball Operations Department manifesting itself, the way its
employees are treated, its relation with other clubs, and it's
relations with the media and external stakeholders has been very problematic.
In other words, everyone's been saying, these guys are a holes.
(04:17):
They'll do anything it takes to win. They got caught
cheating in Major League Baseball. Is like, we're gonna punish
everybody but the players who perpetrated the scheme, But we're
gonna We're gonna stop short of taking away a World Series.
This is a mistake by Major League Baseball. This is
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a mistake. And I understand, I understand you're talking about
historical significance. You know, and you're trying to figure out
how does this stack up with the Black Sox scandal,
how does it stack up with the steroid scandal? But
you know what, like, look, this is what people always
(04:59):
say about cheating, is that you know, in sports, the
rewards do kind of out out out rank um, the
ramifications they just do. Yeah, they they perpetrated a scheme
to cheat. Hey, to cheat. Everyone knows it's cheating. There's
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a difference between stealing signs and the guys on second
base and what the Houston Astros did. But Major League
Baseball and Rob Manfred stopped short of taking away a
World Series. Here's Dan Buyer with more breaking news. Breaking
(05:47):
news from Fox Sports. Doug Astro's owner Jim Crane just
announcing they have dismissed Jeff Luno, the Astro's general manager
and skipper A. J. Hinch following these punishments today. You okay, dude,
I have a rough throat. But we weren't expecting this.
I didn't you know, didn't get the lozenge in the mouth.
But no, it actually sounds really good. But it was
(06:10):
more the exasperation in your voice, like like you were, um,
what's what's what's the coach your Hugh Freeze in the
hospital bed like Doug, Doug, we have breaking news. We
gotta go beee. You know what. I'm doing this for
a movie role. That's what it's for. It sounds very good.
(06:31):
Smelly Cat, that's your smelly cat voice. Um, you're a
huge baseball fan. What's your reaction. Um, I'm more surprised
that they were dismissed, that they were fired. I think
you have to. I think you have to. You know,
it's it's the the whole Jeff little that like it's
at thirty, Remember, um, the Astros. The Astros accused the
(06:57):
Cardinals right of stealing their compute her stuff. But there's
a lot of people that they found out that that
did happen, right, But but a lot of people think, like, hey,
Jeff Luna was doing some stuff was you know when
he was with the Cardinals that he shouldn't have been doing.
I would I would look, I I think I understand
why Jeff Luna loses his job, but he's going to
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get another job. Okay, he built a perennial contender, and
we can all sit here and act like he's the
worst human being on earth. But in sports, if you
build a perennial contender, Like look in my business, we
have people that have gotten in trouble for things that
they have done. But when you're really, really, really really
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good at your job, you get on the opportunities, and
as long as you don't harm women, children, you're not
some evil person that belongs in jail. Uh. I think
this is a mistake from baseball. I think they should
have taken away the World Series. I think it would
have been a great statement for baseball now as opposed
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to what baseball was. Would it be overly harsh? Sure
it would be. It would be. There's a case in Connecticut,
and I'm not going to say the guy's name because
he's a former neighbor of mine and a home builder.
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And if you're following the national news, he's accused of what,
I you know, one of the most grizzly crimes you
can ever commit, not only murder, but that of his
ex wife, who gave birth to their five children, two sets,
two twins. To set the twins like, again, murder is
should be punishable by death or by life imprisonment without
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chance parole. But I mean, you're killing the mother of
your children anyway, I think there should be exceptions, like, look,
I get it, Connecticut, you don't have the death penalty,
but that guy deserves to die if he is actually
convicted in the court of law of what he with
there are mountains of evidence that seemed to prove what
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he has done. Again, he'll have his day in court.
There are certain crimes where you go, yeah, I get that,
we don't want, but that guy's gotta go. There are
certain crimes in sports where you go, you know, this
is the most we can do. Yeah, No, you cannot
make it because what punishment do the players get? Where
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do they get? Think about I have no idea how
much it affected Clayton Kershaw or the rest of the
the l A Dodgers effectiveness in the seven game World Series,
We don't know, but they knowingly perpetrated this scheme. And
think of how we think of of Clayton Kershaw now
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right of the Dodgers. Now, I'm not Ramos is a
Dodger fan. I am not a Dodger fan. I like
going to Dodger games. I think it's the best stadium
in baseball. You know, Clayton Kershaw is the same birthday
as my little dude, My little dudes left handed, Like
there's a lot of things, I mean twenty two and
number twenty two and he's got that little slide step like, look,
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this is where this is where I actually give credit
to the n c A. Okay, the n c A
a lot of a lot. They'll say, oh, what are
you doing taking down banners? What does it mean? It's symbolic.
You're never gonna take away Game seven of the World Series, kry,
But but you admitted to the crime. The only thing
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you can do to these players, only thing that you
can really do that really says we are not going
to Like, why would a player not find another way
to cheat and steal signs? He didn't do anything to
the Astros players. Nothing zero that makes you maybe this
is the this is the most we can do. No,
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it's not take away the World's series. Guess what people
won't do. They won't steal signs in the World Series again, Right,
there are some crimes where you go, you know, maybe
that's a little bit too harsh a penalty. Okay, you
know they can sue for the to get the World
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Series back whatever, But I think that Rob Manfred missed
a golden opportunity to say baseball is different now than
it was during steroids that blatantly chief cheating, because because
that's what steroids did, that we we do forget not
everybody was using steroids. Not everybody's using steroids, and and
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historically we got all these players whose numbers pale in
comparison to steroid era. But we refused to put asterix
by it. We're free to refused to kick guys out
of baseball. They get to keep their money. Why do
they get to keep the records? No, the astros can
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keep their money. Why they get to keep the records.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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and a coaching staff with thirty plus years of NFL
coaching and playing experience. Trend Dilford joins us, as he
does every week here on the Doug Gotlieb Show. Um,
let's start with I think the most surprising upset is
that the Titans go in and run rough shot over
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the Ravens defense. They get, the Ravens get behind um
an early interception by Lamar Jackson, and he's unable to
bring them from behind, even though the yardage would tell
you that um he was. He is able to throw
the ball relatively effectively in the second half. Let's start
with Lamar. Are we seeing his ceiling now? Is this
his ceiling forever? Like? How does a quarterback like you
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look at Lamar now that we have a season and
a half of work and two playoff games. You know,
I actually just think it was a stinker. And I'm
chalking it up to that Peyton had stinkers, Elway had stinkers,
Marino had stinkers. Far I've had stinkers. You know, all
great quarterbacks are going to have a game where it
just isn't as easy early on as they expect and
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the kind of steam rolls on them. And actually Lamar
did a lot of good things, but you can't throw
two interceptions and bumble the ball. I think he made
a panic decision on the pork downs and try to
jump it outside a gap instead of staying inside. Um.
I think Lamar will be a great player. I do
think it's unique, it's not traditional, and he has to
have the complimentary people around them in a play call
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advise into it. You got the ideata um, But I'm
not gonna jump on this thing and say, oh, look it.
You gotta be able to throw from the pocket and
and win in the playoffs. I just think he made
some mistakes, didn't play his best football defensively, didn't play
their best football. Um. Up front, they didn't play their
best football. Their offensive line on their short yard situations
was brutal. So kind of snowballed on him. Um. But
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I do think the thing I do love about Lamar Jackson,
what makes me a big fan of his is how
he transforms himself from year one to year two. He
takes a very workmanlike approach to this thing, and that's
why he's a pro. That's why his teammates love him.
He'll go to the drawing board this offseason He's gonna
address throwing outside the numbers better, which is what the
Titans made him do. He's gonna address some of the
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things that got him in trouble, and I think he'll
come back next year. Uh, just as freakishly as good
an athlete and dynamic a playmaker, and more a little
more discerning and a little wiser as a player. Yeah,
I think it's I think the the we all we
do this thing where we take a snapshot and and look.
I think fans who defend Lamar do it as well,
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where they say, uh, people missed on him. They did,
but in fairness like he wasn't nearly as accurate as
he has been. Some of it is the personnel they
put around it, but a lot of it is that
he's gotten better. You know, guys do get better, and um,
it's not something that you know, Mike Vick has said
he didn't have the work ethic. That's why he didn't
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get better as a passer. So I think it's I
think it's gonna be fascinating. The question to me is, um,
those speedy linebackers or what the what the Chargers did?
Do you believe teams will adjust their personnel in the
off season, um to one team, they're already they're already
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adjusting their personnel. You know, it's there's more hybrid linebackers,
there's more hybrid safeties, not just for Lamar Jackson, just
because of the modern day offenses that attack you so
many different ways, spread juice thin, but also can run
the ball um. I think it's more scheme or oriented
around Lamar, and I think like what the Titans did
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was pretty simple. They used a lot of twists up
front to disrupt the reads of his in the zone
read game. Uh, they flooded the middle of the field
with an extra defender, whether it be zone or man
extra as we call it, an extra guy in the middle.
Because the majority of the damage he does in the
passing game is is kind of between the hashes, those
steam routes, the crossing routes, you know, plays designed for
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tight ends. They forced him to throw the ball outside
the numbers. I mean, go back watch that game. I
don't think he had a like a stop route out route, uh,
pivot route whatever you wanna call it, where the number
one receiver outside ran up for ten yards, turn around
and caught the ball. Um. He wasn't as accurate. The
receivers didn't scare the corners. Um, it was just one
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of those things that they kind of wrote the book
on the passing game and the zone read game in
Baltimore adjusted that, but to both to defend Baltimore is
more scheme related than personnel related. Doug Alex here on
Fox Sports Radio, all right, what do we make a
Tennessee um one kind of similar game plan we saw
to to last week? How do you how does that
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Tannehill is running into the same category you ran into
right where he wins, and it's obviously better with him
in there. But you can't pinpoint it with with yardage
and with statistics for somebody who's played the position and
understands what it's like to be a part of winning
and doing the right thing and not making mistakes. When
you see Ryan tanney Hill play, what do you see
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that's changed the Titans from when Marcus Mariota was their quarterback. Well,
I'll qualify this so people don't think I'm justifying. You know,
twenty years ago, when I played, I would have loved
to throw him fame. I did it in college. You know,
I put up stupid numbers in college at the time,
and it was a lot of fun and it's a
more fun way of playing. It's not necessarily transferable every
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week on certain teams, and it's not necessarily the way
to win super goals in the NFL. UM. And it's
kind of how you're built. A lot of kind of
a lot of the circles talking to Ryan Tannehill and
the Titans of how they're built. Um, they're built right now.
So it's just the back half of the season for
high volume of carry's. They are better when there's a
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lot of runs. UM. The offensive line is playing great.
Derrick Henry's obviously just a dominant physical force, a great player. UM.
So you're gonna build your team and build your philosophy
around how you're built. And then the quarterback, it's not
about um yards. It's more about conversions. It's more about
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critical downs. It's more about maximizing opportunity. So when you
have lower throw volume, it's harder to have a higher
completion percentage because you're taking away all the gimmeings. Tell me,
the last time you saw Ryan Tannehill for a line
of scrimmage play outside of a half back screen, you
know they've taken all those gimmicky first and second down
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cheap completion how and turn them into carries for Derrick Henry.
And then now what you have as a quarterback. It's
gonna change the launch point, move the pocket, take shots
down the field, and primarily throw on third down. Your
numbers aren't gonna be as good, but if you're successful
at it, it's a really good formula for winning. And
Ryan's bought into that. I bought into it, um. But
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don't forget there were game I mean, Ryan Tannehill brought
that team back in the fourth quarter multiple times this
year on his arm. It wasn't Derrick Henry till late
in the season that took over fourth quarters. It was
Ryan Tannehill that took over fourth quarters. So he can
do both. That's what I appreciate about how he's played
the position this year is that he's been able to
be the gun slinger and bring it back from a
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death of hit, and he's been able to be the
game manager and just maximize his throw opportunities and understand
where his bread is butter and that turned his back
and line of scrimmage and give it to Derrick Henry.
That's the voice of Trent Dill, first Super Bowl champion quarterback.
All right, so did they have what is the I mean, like, look,
the game plan is the same against the Chiefs, right,
limit the positions, possessions, run the football short in the game. Um,
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do do they have? Do you believe they have what
it takes to shorten the game to make it competitive
with the high scoring Chiefs? Absolutely? I also think they're
not afraid to throw it a little bit in the
first quarter, you know that. That's one of the things too,
is you know, a lot of Henry's success has been
late in games, and they've been willing to be balanced
until that till that spot. So I don't think if
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you're the Chiefs you can just sit there and you're
gonna hear like super lame things said this week on
TV by people don't know what they're talking about. Putting
nine guys in the box virtually impossible based on formation,
um blitz the run constantly on the way to the past.
Like you gonna hear all these like um cliche statements
by analysts that really don't know what they're talking about.
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How you do this if you're the Chiefs, you have
to play balanced, you know, if you're gonna watch all
their film, you're gonna have every single snap they've taken
on offense this year, and you're gonna see a diverse
passing game. You're gonna see Brown running a bunch of
different routes. You're gonna see Davis run a bunch of
different rounds. You're gonna see the athletic tight end running
a bunch of different routs. You're gonna see him throw
the ball out of the backfield. You're gonna see a
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comprehensive pass game, lots of protections, changing the launch point.
You're gonna be like, holy smokes, we had to defend
all this. Oh yeah, and by the way, we also
got to defend Derrick Henry. So you're still gonna get
a KNCI Chiefs team that is calling their defense is
based on what they think you're gonna do. So you
have them in a guessing game. Wouldn't surprise me at
all if they guess run that the Titans come out
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really aggressively in the passing game and move the ball
and established some you know, put some air in the
defense in the passing game early, knowing that eventually at
the end of the day, big Boy is gonna get
his thirty carries. Try deal for joining us in the
Doug Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. How much of
the collapse do you put on Bill O'Brien, I put
it a sum on him. I put most on their
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offensive defensive front. And here's why I'm glad you're asking
the question. I wanted to say that's on calling the moors.
They bothered me the most about this weekend offensive lineman
from the day they were born. Then then they grew
up and they wear T shirts in the pool as teenagers,
and then they start lifting. They get big, and then
they get aggressive, then they get strong and they become dominant.
All we want to do is run the football. They
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know they get to run the football the best. When
you have a lead, all levels of football, junior high football,
high school football, college football, pro football. We get a lead.
That means you get to run block more. There's nothing
they love more than to run block. They live to
run block. And they had a twenty four point lead,
and they didn't move the line of scrimmage. I looked
at those runs when they're at Billy called them. They
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didn't move anybody, and Candacy wasn't blitz in the day run.
They just weren't moving a chief defensive front seven that
isn't very good. They weren't moving them off the ball.
So I'm really disappointed in the Texans offensive line and
their defensive line. And I'd say if J. J. Watt
was sitting next to me, I'd tell him this, what
do you live for? JJ? I lived a hunt when
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you get to hunt the best when we have the lead.
Yet you had a twenty four nothing lead. You knew
they were gonna pass on of the plays. Why didn't
you hunt? Why don't you boys go hunt? And how
could you not get to Patrick Mahomes? How could you
not disrupt him and not allow that to happen? Go
back and watch the game. He had nice, big, clean pockets,
or he broke contained because they broke down in their
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pass rushing lanes and he got to the edge. I mean,
I am disgusted with how the Houston Texans big boys
on both sides of the ball played because of the
circumstances in the game. You live to play in those
games if you're a big boy, both on the offensive
front and the defensive front. So Billing deserves some has
some culpability in this absolutely, but ultimately that lies on
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those big guys for the Houston Texas. Yeah, but he
did call the fake punt, which was odd, and then
he did kick you know, they did try to kick
a field goal instead of you know, instead of going
four on fourth and one. Those Yeah, there's some decisions. Yeah,
there's some decisions. But you have a twenty four point lead.
I don't care if you're playing Superman like. That's what
those big guys believe in. You know, they just believe it. Oh,
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you get us a two score lead, and we're gonna
hunt you on the defensive run use two store score leader.
We're going to run the ball seventy percent of the
time and pounded down your throat and wear you out.
I mean, that's the internal conversation going on um in
football locker rooms. And for them not to be able
to to back up that type of bravado um is
really ultimately what gotta be Alright, So what what of
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the chiefs? I mean, this is really the difference between
Mahomes and and so many of the other quarterbacks is
that you know it, they can make up ground so
so quickly. Uh, did did we learn anything about Pat
Mahomes and the Chiefs from their comeback so explosive. Um.
I mean, you know we've been saying that. I don't
think anybody saw anything revelatory yesterday. He's a transformational talent player.
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He's creative, he's talented. Um, he's tough, he's a great leader,
he doesn't flinch. So I mean that you just go
on and on and on. Um. He's the modern day
far with probably a little more diserb than Brett had Um.
There's no there's no circumstance where they don't have the
firepower um to get through it. Uh. It's obviously the
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most exciting brand of football to watch. Um. I mean
it's hard to say a lot of anything but just
superlatives about them. UM. I do think though it's gonna
be interesting. There are tea I mean, this guy they're
about to play, Mike Rabel, who I think is one
of the finest coaches in all the football. I've been
saying it all year long. Um, he's not going to
be scared saying his first rodeo against going against somebody
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explosive and he played against Peyton Manning all those years.
You contain it, you know, you pick your spots to
contain this type of explosives unless the Chiefs can run
the football, unless they can establish the dominance in line
of scrims. I'm not saying rush for a hundred fifty yards.
I'm saying run the ball. Um, I think the Titans
have a really good chance to contain it. Doug Gallup show,
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you're on Fox Sports Trail. Let's go to the NFC side.
Um Is, did we just see the Do we see
the ceiling of Kirk Cousins. I mean, that's a really
good defense by the by the Niners. I thought it
was a little conservative um play calling. Um. I think
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Kurt is a guy that uh has constantly feasted on
the average teams in the league and as yet to
prove himself against the big boys. I think that's a
hurdle that he needs to get through. I didn't think
he looked overwhelmed. I just think he didn't handle the
clutter and the dizziness of the pocket that the forty
Niners put you put you in quite as well as
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he could. They also played keep away from him. I
mean the Niners had a brilliant game plan. You know,
they carred the ball, they handed up forty seven times. Um,
they kept the ball out of the Viking's hands. They
were awesome on third down, they limited possessions. So um,
I'm never gonna give the quarterback all the blame in
those things. But I've been very honest about Kirk Cousins.
I think he's a very, very gifted pastor. He's a
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really good football are but he's yet to prove it
against really the giants of the league. Okay, what about
Jimmy Garoppolo what we learned? I thought Jimmy played really
well except for the one interception. Again, it's kind of
the Tannet Tannehill situation is stats aren't gonna, um necessarily
reflect how well he played. But especially that first drive,
he was super decisive. He got it out quick. Um.
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You know, he manipulated the defense at times. But then
you get into one of those games and really you're
just you know that you have the game one if
you don't make a mistake. And I think after you
threw the interception, there was definitely a realization of Okay, now,
let's let's not be an egomaniac here, Let's keep handing
the ball off. Let's make some safe throws. They're not
gonna score a lot of points. Keep moving the ball.
If we just kicked field goals the rest of the game,
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We're going to the championship games. So it is a
tough position. It's a just being there, um back in
two thousand. It's a hard way to play because we
ltimately you're trying to win your ego. You know, you
definitely want to be aggressive. We're trained to be aggressive. Um,
but you you ultimately have to live back when I'm
trying to win this game, and the best way to
win this game is not screw it up. And you
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can kind of see you can see Jimmy go into
that mode, which is just fine when you have that
type of defense and that type of running game. Doug
gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay, let's
let's let's get to Packers Seattle. Um. Like some are
underwhelmed by the Packers. My thought is this is kind
of by this is who they are by design. I
didn't think their offense got a little stale in the
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second half, but you know, by design, get a lead.
Now you have a great pass rush and you have
the ultimate bailout in Aaron Rodgers and when he had to,
he seemed to make all the laser like Aaron Rodgers
sorts of throws. UM. I don't necessarily understand Seattle's game plan.
I know they're a running team, but they lost all
their running backs. I would have thought they would have
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opened it up a little bit earlier. To Russell Wilson,
give me your sense of what we saw in lambau
Field last night. I mean your analysis of the Packers
is spot on. Um. There are more balanced team this year.
There are three face football team. They play complimentary football.
Erin's job has been easier for the bulk of the downs,
which I think any great play caller, head coach is
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gonna do. He's gonna try to lighten the burden off
the quarterback. Comorrow. How great that quarterback is trusting so
saving those superhero plays, Um, for those third longs and
and Aaron delivered on those. Um. I think the Packers
are really good. I do. I don't think they're great.
I don't think they're just chop limber. I think they're
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really good team because there are three face football team.
I do think you know, if you're gonna trust one
guy with the ball late in the game, in a
one score game, Aaron is gonna be on the top
of that list. So I think it's a really good
formula to use. So I'm not down on the Packers.
I like everybody else, see that they maybe lack dimensions
here or there of explosiveness. UM, but I take the
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boring sizzle, I mean the boring steak over the hot
and flashy sizzle. Uh to win a Super Bowl. I
think with the Seahawks, they're in a tough spot. They
can't pass protect if the other team knows they're throwing,
so they kind of by design have to make you
think they're going to run the ball. UM. Although for
that game, I'm with you. I think Russell, you know,
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is arguably one of the best players in football, if
not the best. I would unleashed him a little bit earlier. UM,
But I understand, you know, Pete's philosophy of of always
wanting to make the other team think they're gonna run
the ball so they have a better chance and pass
protection just how that team's built. Um. And end of
the day, end of the day, they did have there.
They did have the same thing we've always seen, right,
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Russell Wilson with the ball down five, a chance to
win the game. So I mean, like, look, we can
be critical of what they didn't do up until that point,
but it did resemble every Seahawks game ever where Russell
had the ball and a chance to win it and
in this particular case, he couldn't do it. Yeah. And
then you know the other key player that game that
I didn't hear anybody talk about today after I've watched everything,
but you know, the two point conversion of making a
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three point game. Um. One of the one of the
problems with having a running back off this tree that
hasn't been in your systems past protection. It's not just
running the football. Everybody was untouched, completely untouched. Yeah, and
that and that was Marshawn's guy, And you can see
Marshawn put his hands on his head as the guy
ran by and like, oh no, I missed him. Um.
And that's a critical playing the game because now you're
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down three with the ball, and now it's not only
trying to get in the field goal range. So that
was a really critical play in the game. The Seahawks
had what it was tough sled from at the end
of the year. That's a beat up football team that's
a resilient football team. Um, I thought they played their
hearts out. Obviously there's no consolation prize in the NFL.
But you know, I'm not gonna bang on the Seahawks
because there's no excuses the NFL. But there surely are
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reasons and there were reasons why that team didn't play
their best football. All right, So who wins this weekend?
I don't know. On the Chiefs Titans. I actually I
think I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Titans.
I just like how they're built against the Chiefs team
and I and I really really mean this. This time
last year was talking about the baby and the greatest
coaches Plice Bread and I love MC. I do think
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he's one of the great coaches. Mike Gratbel needs to
be in that conversation what he's done with this team
and and maybe nobody knows because the Titans and nashally
not talked about that much. But I live in Nashville,
so I've gotten to see it weekend and week out,
in the hard decisions he's made, in the drama he's handled,
and how he's tough in this team up and how
they've gotten better every week, and I've been consistent with
this messaging all the things that great head coaches do,
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and I put him at the top of the list.
I like the Titans, and I think the Niners are
the closest thing to great we have in the NFL.
I don't think we have great anymore, um, but I
think we have really really darn good and have a
lot of dimensions. And that's I said earlier in the year.
I think the four Niners is the best team in football,
and I think they're going to prove themselves through the
course of this thing. And of course they've already beaten
the package this year. And I you know, the formula
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by which they play is the one in which you
usually dismantled the Packers running that football. Trent great Stuff.
Can't wait to talk next week. We'll have two super
Bowl teams. Of course, we also want to pick your
brain on the upcoming NFL Draft. We really appreciate you
joining us at all. As always, all right, thanks, I
told you everything you possibly need to know. Um. We
will get to the Cleveland Browns upcoming next They finally
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found a head coach. Big deal, little deal or no deal.
I'll tell you next. Be sure to catch the live
edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific. Well, I'm led to believe by Lamar
jackson sycophants is hey man, he's just a kid. Now.
He can't take away from the MVP season. He's just
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a kid. Okay, what if I told you that Lamar
Jackson has been a home favorite against a wild card
team in both of those playoff games that change your mind.
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I will grant you this is only his first and
second year in the National Football League, So while we
can't have ridiculous and unrealistic expectations based upon his first
and second playoff game, if you want to tell me
that the guy is the I the guys, the m
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v P of the league, the most valuable player in
the league. Actually, because he didn't play well Saturday and
they collapsed, it could give you a if you want
better argument. Um, I don't think that's what this is
all about. The Lamar Jackson critique is not about race.
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Lamar Jackson critique is not about age. Lamar Jackson critique
is about nothing more. Then we have thirty forty years
of history, especially the last twenty five years of modern
NFL history that show us that that type of quarterback,
and we have the last ten years of football tell
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you that this type of offense, with that type of quarterback,
regardless of color of skin, regardless of age, it's jusually younger,
regardless of what school they went to, what offense they
play in that it is there is a short term
benefit and long term it becomes increasingly difficult. Then, factor
(35:13):
in the injury factor, which is impossible not to point out,
and whether it's because guys get older and a little
bit slower and they get caught up, or just the
volume of carries. You simply cannot be your team's leading
rusher once you get into your fourth, fifth, sixth season.
There's not longevity in it. We've seen r G three
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have a rookie year where he took the Redskins to
the playoffs. We've seen Colin Kaepernick have his first year
and a half two years where he was a dynamic
player in the same offense. We've seen Tyrod Taylor take
the Buffalo Bills to the playoffs in the same offense.
We've seen Michael Vick, not necessarily the same offense, but
a similar type of electric talent with a cannon for
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an arm, albeit relatively inaccurate, and lightning bolts for legs.
I'm willing to tell you that I think I don't
think anybody would argue Lamar Jackson has and will work
harder than Mike Vick. Mike Vick, by his own accounts,
was not working hard, was not buying in. I will
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tell you, unlike r G three, They're not gonna try
and make him into a West Coast style quarterback. They
are not gonna try and square peg roundhole it. They
ain't doing that. They're all in on this style. And
I'm also willing to believe that they've They've put better
personnel around him that fit that style. The three tight
ends that the top taker offer in a Hollywood Brown,
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the running back, the offensive line, and the team, the city.
Everybody is all in on it. But if you can't
see the limitations in style, even without injury, I can't
really help you. I just can't. Fox Sports Radio has
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like I have this throat comfort tea which I went
and bought for Dan Buyer's got a little bad throat today?
(37:26):
Do you have a remedy you use when your pipes
aren't as as as golden as they appear every Saturday
on Fox. I I will always I always have just
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and I'm gonna get too much saliva in my mouth.
But I need the heat to keep my throat solid.
So there you go. Hot water, all right, there you go,
uh hot hot hot water. Last thing, you're a former
professional baseball player. I don't know if you heard, but
the Astros gentle manager gone, uh manager gone five million
dollar fine, But nothing to the players who perpetuated this
(38:12):
uh Stein the signs stealing Stein stealing stealing scheme. Well
that's a heart, that's a tongue twister. According to the memo,
it's the players uh and Joey and Alex cord On
Joy Alex Cora who developed. It was all their idea.
Do you think it's enough or do you think they
should have taken away the World Series? Um? I think
(38:32):
that the World Series should have been called in the question. Uh. Personally,
I feel like the suspensions for the people on top
were um solid, uh, if not light um in my estimation.
And and candidly, I feel like every player that was
on that team that took in that bat in which
(38:53):
the trash can was pounded on for UH, they should
be suspended at least I would say, ten or fifteen
games of the next season, regardless of the team that
they played for. I thought that all of it was
too lenient, to be quite honest with you. And when
I threw out on Twitter right now, I was like,
what's worse? Okay, just sportsman's what's worse? Betting on baseball?
(39:14):
If your pete rose or cheating intentionally in the World Series?
And it to me, it's not even close. It's cheating
in the World Series. So I think that Hinch and
and UH the general manager are lucky that they're not
gone for life. Uh. That's the voice of Joe Clatt,
lead college football analyst, course to a former college star
in Colorado. And professional baseball players join us in the
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Doug Glip Show on Fox Sports Tradio. Let's get to tonight.
You and I we we had a great discussion I
think last week about Clemson, Ohiose State. We both kind
of agreed, like, hey, oh how it's like j K.
Down is the best player in the field. Ohio State
in many ways is the better team. That said, it
doesn't matter for for tonight. Um in terms of matchups, right,
Ohio State incredible speed and their defensive backs which which
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seemed for good portion of the game to to really
marginalize the taller wide receivers of Clemson. How does l
s U let's start with Clemson's offense versus l s
u s defense. How does LSU match up with Clemson? Well,
I think that they have a shot. Listen, I think
Stingley that the freshman corner. I think he's the second
best corner in all of football, uh college football, at
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least behind Jeff Okuda. And we saw the style of
a game that Jeff Okuda had. I thought Okuda was,
you know, maybe the second best player on the field
behind j K. Dobbins in that that semi final matchup.
They also have the Thorpe Award winner and Grant Delpic. Granted,
he's not a matchup corner, and I think that's where
l s U was gonna fall a little bit short
of what Ohio State could have put on the field
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or did put on the field. In particular before Sean
Wade was ejected, was the fact that they had three
bona fide NFL corners that they could put out there,
and those wide receivers had a tough time getting off
the line of scrimmage. That bump man is something that
they're going to have to deal with now again with
L s U and those guys. Here's the Here's the
dirty secret about tall, physical wide receivers is that if
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you can get them at the line of scrimmage and
get physical with them there, it's tough for them to
release and get in their route. Now. Once they're in
their route, now they become a nightmare, Doug because they're
big frame their body. They can body you up, and
we've seen the type of kedges that catches that guys
like Higgins and Ross can make down the fields for
Trevor Lawrence. So in my estimation, the entire game plan
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for L s U defensively has to be one at
the line of scrimmage against those wide receivers if they
get free releases, if they get into the secondary. I
think it could be a long day for L s
U when it comes to defending the past. Because we
know how good the quarterback is for Clemson. I think
Lawrence is a special player, all right, So let's get
to L s use um L s US offense against
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Clemson's defense. Obviously Clemson struggle with j K. Dohmin's Dobbins,
but what he got hurt, they started to make some
plays and uh, and you know they got just enough stops.
How how does Clemson, you know, like the big question
for them they lost seven with defensive starters the NFL
from last year. How is this Clemson's defense involved and
how they match up with its vaunted L s U offense. Um,
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it's gonna sound harsh, but their defense is a bit
of a paper tiger. Statistically, they're the you know, quote
unquote number one defense in college football. But I think
if you watch that semifinal game, they were unlocked a
little bit like a Rubik's cube. And and we all
know in football that it takes a blueprint once you're
found out and it's on film, it's so much more
difficult to get back to dominating like they were earlier
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in the season against the very poor schedule out of
the A C C. For my estimation that the problem
lies in the fact that L. S U also has
the ability to feature a running back which is dynamic.
He's strong, he's loaded the ground with great center of
gravity and balance, and that's Edwards Hilaire um Clyde could
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go off in this game. Dobbins was fantastic in that
semifinal game. And then the other part of this is
that I don't think that Clemson has the depth in
the secondary to stick with the number of weapons. When
I talked with coaches who have faith L. S U
during the course of the year, here's what they say.
They say that, you know you can get away with maybe,
you know, giving some resources to Jamaar Chase or Edwards
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Hilaire and you try to stop them or him them in.
The problem is is that then the third option, the
fourth option, the fifth option can still beat you. Because
Burrow is so surgical with the ball and patient with
the ball in the pocket, he will find his third
and fourth option and That's where Justin Jefferson went off
against Oklahoma. Because Oklahoma was not deep enough to take
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away option two and three, they could sit there and
try to take away option one, and they did for
the most part because Jamar Chase didn't go off. But
Justin Jefferson went absolutely bonkers to the two of four
touchdowns in that ball game. So, uh, that's the difficult part.
And I really don't think that Clemson is going to
be able to for the entirety of the games slow
down L s U. I think this is a game
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in which l s U can score thirty five, maybe
even overt How much is playing in the dome help them?
I think it helps him a con Listen, college college athletes,
in particular, you're taking you're taking away all my pil
my points that I want to make in my closing segment.
Go ahead, fine clad lead college foot anolence college football,
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but go ahead. College playing at home kids, college kids
react more so and more positively and more emotionally and
playing in front of that environment than than guys in
the pros. Guys in the pros are pros. You know,
they don't really care where they're playing. Now here's the
other side of this. In the NFL, it's loud every
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single week for the most part, unless you play one
of the dregs of the NFL, but it's pretty loud.
So those quarterbacks get used to playing on the road
with noise. Show me the game in which Clemson had
just an absolute raucous road environment that they had to
play in where they couldn't hear the line of scrimmage
and they can't hear in the huddle, and and their
heart rates are going fast. Name it, it doesn't happen.
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That's the other part of this is that college teams,
in particular great ones, rarely get in the dog fights
on the road where they can't hear each others think
or talk. So now Clemson is going to have to
deal with that. And I would venture a guess that
they haven't dealt with that all season long, maybe even
all the way back to last year. Uh, and so
it's gonna be somewhat new for them, and I expect
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them to make a few mistakes early in that game
because of the emotion in the building, because that place
is going to be on absolute fire. They proposed some
to you. Let's say Clemson wins the game, okay, And
and one of the things that I think people in
my position, um, in the future do a bad job
is you know, some guys do tell the history. Like
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because here's what I'm saying. If they win this game,
it won't just be another national championship. It will be,
as you pointed out, a defense which statistically is good.
But let's be honest, they didn't play a very good schedule,
and it's not nearly as not not nearly as talented
as one last year. They're a They're a sizeable underdog
playing in a road game against one of the one
of the best L s U teams we've seen, specifically offensively,
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Like this would be a magnificent, monumental achievement, more so
than just winning a second national championship game in two years.
But if he does, and he's got a chance at three, like,
do we have to stay? I don't like having the
conversation before we have the conversation, but are we gonna
have to start having the conversation about him being an
all time great if he wins a night, Oh, there's
no doubt. I don't think that there's any doubt. Think
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of them. Think of it this way, um, I think
that you can categorize in this business, and I think
you do a good job of it for the um,
you know, and in several sports. But Doug, there's only
been two other teams since we broke away into Division One,
which I believe was like the late seventies. There's been
only two other teams win three titles in four years
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in college football. And that was the Nebraska teams of
Osborne in the nineties, which were all time greats, and
he's an all time great. And then what Bama did
just a few years ago, winning three and four years.
And we know exactly how we refer to those teams
and coaches, don't we They are some of the all
time grades. If Clemson does that tonight and puts themselves
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in that category, three titles in four years in in
an era in which it's a national recruiting base, everybody's
getting rich, assistance, are getting poached, so on and so forth,
and and it's at a non traditional power type school
like Clemson. I hate to say, but that's true. I
think that you can put Dabbo Sweeney right up there
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in that top five six seven coaches in the history
of the sport, no question, and I'm I was talking
more of you about Trevor Lawrence, right, like I think
Dabo is gonna be there. Um, but yeah, I mean
both of them. This should be That's a that's fascinating
you were meaning Lawrence. Listen, absolutely, that will be an
I'll be twenty and oh in college. Um, and just
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people salivating because there's there's one thing that we've all
known about. Let's just say, and I hate hesitated to
do this. We all know about Brady is that Brady
can take lesser teams in and win championships. Wouldn't you agree? Okay,
so if Lawrence does that, he's doing that tonight. If
Lawrence and Clemson wins, he's taking a lesser team and
winning a championship because they have better championship medal, because
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he might be even better. He did it against the
House State. How State was a better team than them.
If if they play ten times, I'm I firmly believe
o how State wins seven maybe eight times out of ten.
The better team was wearing a red jersey, but he
was the best player on the field. He willed them
to victory. Do you realize that Clemson won that game?
They're leading Rusher was Trevor Lawrence, they're leading receiver, or
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was Travors Travis et In. So that means that he
was manipulating his offense to find what was successful just
to win the game. He doesn't care who gets the credit.
Like he's a real, real deal competitor, and if he's
able to do that tonight, then he'll absolutely go down
as one of the better college quarterbacks of all time.
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And that's before he's got to, in a in a
farcical environment, play this ridiculst third year of college just
because that's another fight for another day. I actually kind
of agree with you, But the problem is I I
think it all works for the NFL and the NFL's favor.
I think the difference is the NFL embraces college football,
whereas the NBA has disdained for college basketball. That's why
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the NFL is so much better off with the guys staying.
There are guys that have to stay that third year
whatever um, but generally it's guys need that third year anyway,
no time for it. Awesome stuff, Joel, Congratulations on a
magnificent year, and we look forward to talk with you
next week recapping what we saw you bet
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