Joe Burrow ready for the NFL?

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gonna join us upcoming half past the hour, I'm gonna
ask Chris Simms about Joe Burrow, who of course starred
last night in the National Championship Game win for the
Fighting Tiggers of l s U, the Bye Bengals and
the there's a lot of a lot of great things
to it, a lot of great things to it. Coach
oh who of course uh got fired at Old Miss

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was the Ram head coach at USC wanted to stay
at SC supercharged that in terms of energy that losing
a bull game after he was after he was he
get ends up getting dismissed. He joins l s U
staff and Les Miles gets fired and he takes over
and after trying to go after swinging for the fences,

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they settled on coach oh and he made them look
like geniuses. But it should be pointed out that while
you could make the argument Joe Burrow finished the greatest
season in the history of the sport, and forget the
stat idea of it. Just the teams that they've beaten.

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It's remarkable, remarkable. Go and look at who L. S
U beat and how they beat him, right from ending
Clemson's undefeated run to beating Oklahoma champions of the Big Twelve,
beating Texas at Texas, taking down Mighty Alabama in Tuscaloosa.

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Like you go through it and it was incredible. It
might be it might be the best season in the
history of the sport. You could make that. I don't
think that Clemson was the second best team. I thought
Ohio State was actually better. Clemson beat him and so
and like Clemson's not a chump. They have an elite quarterback,

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they have some league players, they have a league coach.
This was not a classic. This was not the Clemson
team of last year, just stacked up on stack defensively,
it wasn't I'm not trying take away from elis you.
I'm simply pointing out it might have had a better
game last night had we'll get to the targeting rule
which eliminated their their captain linebacker when it was still
at least a relatively close game. Um, but I would

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I think the Ohio State was better. I think it
would have been a better football game. That said, L
s U beat everybody in their path, and the games
weren't outside of the Texas game like, they weren't particularly close.
They did get down early last night and came back
and won the game. Continue to show their championship medal.
So I don't have any honestly zero negatives about L

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s U football. None like uh and Odell Beckham Jr.
Handing out cash to guys that are never gonna play
again in college football. Only shows how obtuse o b
J actually is. Seeing is that's probably the last college
football game he'll be allowed on the sideline. But whatever,
what I'm interested in is Joe Burrow. And we do

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this thing. We do this thing in college football consistently
where in the moment we forget about some key factors. Right,
we forget um, we we lose our perspective, and then

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that happens happens to guys in a myriad of different things.
Right like when you when you when you're in love,
your first in love, you know you you lose perspective
on things, and you do you say and do crazy things.
Right when you're hungry, and we've talked about this, don't
shop hungry, right, why do you not shop hungry? Because

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you go when you buy so much, so you come
back you're like, what the hell did I buy? About
all this different stuff? And now it's gonna go bad
in the fridge. When you're super emotional man or woman,
you you lose perspective and you're super sad. You know
you can't hear anything else around you. Super hungry, you
buy a bunch of food, some of which you can't eat.

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You don't eat I mean like here's one when you
when you, um, have you ever gone to a restaurant
when you're really really hungry? And eat something like, man,
that's the best. That's the best chicken noodle soup I've
ever had. Then you're like, you tell all your friends, Hey,
this Jimmy's Jimmy's Diner down the street, best chicken noodle
soup I've ever had. Then you get a bunch of him.
It's a cold winter day and you're like, hey, let

(05:12):
let's go have this chicken hooole soup I had from
Jimmy's like two weeks ago. It was really good. You
sit down and you're like, it's fine, it's okay, Like
why was it so much better? Was the batch better
two weeks ago? Or were you just super hungry? So
in this we're in this emotional state about L. S
U and Joe Burrow, and I think a good portion

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of it is not just how impressed we are against
the teams that they've beaten, but but also the fact
that it is it is L. S U who has
been a disaster offensively at times over the past five
to ten years. I mean, they it was a vapid
waste land for quarterbacks for the last five or six

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years or so, right before Joe Burrow and even Joe
burrows first year they're like, he one great, let's not
kid ourselves. Three years ago they lose to Troy. That
happened last year. Their offense was a mixed back. This
year they had in Joe Brady, who brings in an
NFL style passing game to go along with a ton
of talent, and Burrow gets kind of his feet under him.

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I mean, fifty five, forty five, sixty five, sixty six,
forty two, forty two, thirty six. Uh, they survived Auburn
twenty three twenty game. They could have lost forty six
against Alabama, fifty eight against Old Miss, fifty six against Arkansas,
fifty against a and M thirty seven against George. I mean,
they beat everybody. They hung sixty three on Oklahoma and

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that was after dialing it way back in the second half,
and they put forty two up on the board last night.
But I think we're we're more than a little bit emotional.
You know, it's because Burrow through for fifty six hundred
yards five six hundred, sixty touchdowns, sixty touchdowns and six

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interceptions sixty um. But but this is a dude who
I'm not saying buyer beware, But we have to have perspective.
We have to catch our breath for a second and go, hey,
Joe Burrow is older than everybody in the competition, right

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like Brandon Wheten. Of course he joins us every week.
He knows this guy he's just turned twenty three years old.
Doesn't mean he's a grandpa. He's not, you know, as
as as Brandon Weeen was. But he is twenty three.
He has sat and watched and now he's played a bunch.
And this is there's a little bit of you know,

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we talked about Barry Bonds some yesterday. That's like, why
was Barry Bonds so much better on steroids than even
Sammy's Osa? Well, this is what happens when you give
an uh an m VP candidate or an MVY Baseball
m VP steroids. It's different than Sammy Sosa, who was
a platoon player and a guy who was a major
leaguer but just barely a major league He takes horse

(08:14):
steroids and he becomes a dominant hitter. You give it
to Barry Bonds and he becomes the greatest hitter we've
ever seen. Joe Burrow, much like much like to ah Um,
if you put a little these programs have had subpar quarterback.
L s U has had subpart quarterback play and subpar

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offensive coaching for years. You put an NFL caliber quarterback
with NFL coaching, combined it with the depth of talent
and a little bit of a down year in the sport.
Right Like, no one thinks Alabama is what they had been,

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No one thinks Clemson is what they had been. They
didn't play Ohio State, who was probably talent wise the
best parallel in the biggest woe with Texas. Again, I'm
not sitting here crushing L s U. They were great.
I'm saying Joe Burrow looked phenomenal, but a lot of
it was you know where he runs and then throws.

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And my question becomes, while that is and we talked
about this yesterday with Lamar Jackson, that is the way
of the future. You gotta be able to move. You
gotta be athletic, and he is athletic. Is he as
athletic when he gets to the NFL against those you
don't get faster? Everybody else does. And though he threw
guys open, does he truly have the arm strength? Are

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we just freaking out? Here's the big question? Are we
freaking out because Joe Burrows really really good and made
some phenomenal plays. Are we freaking out because we've lost
perspective of the fact that he's older, he's better coached.
You know, it's pro versus college in terms of coaching,

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and he's surrounded by not just talent, but we have
the perspective of how bad L s U was offensively
before this year, and that's making us react react even
more profound fashion in American sense, Like I'm not saying

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he's not an NFL quarterback, but last year, when you
watch Kyler Murray and you watch the ball come off
his hands, You're like, well, that's a prorm your questions
about Kyler Murray, we're only in his size. That that's it.
Only in his size. You had no question at all.
You know, Baker Mayfield was a little bit size, a

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little bit of athleticism. If you watch Sam Donald, a
little bit of a celeb relief. But Sam Donald was,
you know, like twenty years old. This dude's twenty three,
been in two great programs, been really well coached. Now
I don't know, I just I I caution us he's
gonna go to the Cincinnati Bengals. And while he will

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reinstill hope and he's a hometown kid, he's coming from,
you know, Athens, Ohio to play for the Bengals and
to try and save them, like all that stuff. And
you got a coach who's got an offensive mind, like
all that is great. You know, the Bengals have the
worst defense maybe historically in the NFL for two year period.
And while he does have some escapability, how much of

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that is marginalized when he gets to the NFL. He's
gonna play in the that's the worst weather division in
the NFL because there's no there are no domes. Does
he have the truly elite arm I loved l s
US football program. It was great to watch them change
from defense to being an offensive juggernaut. I love that

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they counterpunched last night. I like the Joe Burrows story.
There's a lot of negative transfers, but you know, he
didn't really get a shot at one because he got
hurt and then he guess he got beat out and
he goes to a place where he gets an opportunity,
and they hadn't had a legit quarterback and he even
struggled in his first year, but got his Sea legs
and had maybe the best season the history of the sport.

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But I I caution all of America that we we
may be shopping hungry, we may be in such an
emotional state because it's L s U and what we're
used to L s U. Being that we're not getting
the true perspective of, Hey, they got an NFL coach

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with a system that has dominated the NFL. Of course
he's gonna dominate. They've had great players. Now you have
a guy who can get them the football. I just
want to make sure we're not too overly emotional in
that there are some other factors which have elevated. Joe
Burrow come up next. Is it time to fix the

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Who did you have last night? Oh? L s U
know you did, big No, you didn't. I had Clemson

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Buyer had L s U right? He was the one
who said L s U Bigley and I agree with L.
I agree with him, and you and Romo's both had Clemson. Yes, yes,
John foolishly followed me into into the ABYSS. So what
I mean, I just you know, what do you think
of the game? I thought it was a really entertaining game,

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and then I thought, clearly after halftime the offensive lines
and defensive lines of L s U showed that they
were a much stronger unit overall compared to what Clemson
had had, and that's what greatly affected Especially the defensive
line of L s U versus Clemson's offensive line put
a ton of pressure on Trevor Lawrence, and I think

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for the first time he really tried to force a
lot of throws and clearly didn't connect on nearly enough
of them. Yeah, it's interesting, Like I do feel like, um,
he forced some things. I also think it would be
fair to say that his wide receivers in both the
past two games they weren't kind of classic college open right. Um.

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I thought it wasn't a turning point, but it was.
It was almost the death knel was when James skalski
Um got ejected from the NAT change of game for targeting.
Did you see the do you see the call? I did? Yeah,
won them. But when he had that hit over the
medal and that I think it was a receiver or
running back. Yeah, it should be pointing. I was five

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six minutes ago, third quarter, and um, he was called
for for targeting. And look, look, by by letter of
the law, I understand what they're trying to get out
of the sport. You're you're trying to teach h um,
tackling the right way. And here's a kid who you know, uh,

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Jefferson catches the ball and he dips his head and
launches into Jefferson. So look, by letter of the law,
that was the right call. I feel like it's a
little overly punitive, right like and and this, and Ohio
State fans like ho ho ho ho ho. Hold on,
we lost one of the best defensive players in the country.

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I thought it was overly punitive in that game. Now
you can't judge intent, and maybe it doesn't matter. You're
trying to get it out of the sport, and there's
no better way to get it out of the sport.
This is this a little bit like what we discussed
with baseball yesterday, which is, hey, if you really want
to get sign stealing and cheating and use of electronics

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out of the sport. Then you know what you gotta
do is you gotta take back the World Series from
from the Houston Astros. They didn't. Now, of course it
means that any general manager of coaches, sport manager is
responsible for the team. Okay, so now you've had two players,
too impactful defensive players that are both ejected from these games,

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and you would think the rest of college football is
on watch. Um, But in the context of the game,
it it feels it feels like it's too much, you know,
it just it feels like it's too much. So UM,

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I don't know, I am I wrong? They're like, did
not feel like too much for you? If it feels
like the where the the you know, the punishment doesn't
fit the crime. I think there are certain instances where
you can see what a dirty hit is like if
a player is clearly trying to go for a helmet
to helmet type of hit, and those are the type

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of ones you should be I to object four, it
seems like there should just be one general rule of
you know, whatever you call it, targeting lowering the helmet,
and that should be like a fifteen yard penalty. And
then if you do that twice in a game, then
you should be ejected, or maybe three times, however many

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times you want to say, Or there's a next tier
of like a flagrant two in the NBA, where it
has to be so egregious that's what warrants your automatic
objection after just one foul. But it feels like they've
lowered the threshold, super super low, where it's just like
immediately if your helmet touches another player's helmet, you're just

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that's it. You're gone. Um, yeah, I mean, it's it
just look he did, he launched himself and he dipped
his head, He did all the things like I'm not
sitting here saying and no one would say that they
disagree with that, that he he used his helmet as
a weapon and he hit incorrect Lee. It's just is

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that the is that that the punishment that we want
for the crime in that big of a game, And
that's really really hard. I don't know. I'll ask Chris
Sims if he has some sort of hybrid, some sort
of way to switch it. Yeah, it's it's a it's
a tough one because it you take out your middle
linebacker and it's going to change your defense. Forever change

(18:24):
the House day game as well. Be sure to catch
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things to get to today, but too better to get
to him with than Chris Simms Football Night in America
and of course former star of Texas and he covers

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Notre Dame football. Uh. Chris, like Joe Burrow, is spectacularly
good the entire season, he seemed to get better and
better and better. But I just I want to make
sure we take a breath here and realize that like
it's a perfect storm, right, it's the you know, the
Clemson is not Clemson of last year. They didn't play
Ohio State. Well, I thought it's the best, you know,

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talent wise defense in the country. L s U has
a ton of talent and they're kind of an offensively
dormant for years. You put a pro system in there,
you get an older quarterback who now had his sea
legs under him, and and you know, like all of
these things hit. I just I want to make sure
that we understand the translation to the NFL is not

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always the same. He'd be playing outdoors if he was
with the Bengals with a roster that is not nearly
as good as everybody else in their division. How do
you evaluate Joe Burrow? Not last night, but how it
translates to the NFL. Yeah, well, he's extremely talented regardless,
you know, and again I mean yeah, all your points

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are real. There's no doubt about it. Now. You know
he went to Ohio State. I don't worry about whether things. Yes,
did he have an advantage? I mean, come on, you
saw those two receivers. You've seen them all year long.
I mean number one, umber two their their first round picks.
I mean number one is probably a top twenty pick.
Number two is probably a top pick. I mean, so, yes,

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he had big time talent around him. And then of
course as an offensive coordinator, who you know, people are
starting to beat down the door and want him to
come up to the NFL and do that. So, yes,
there's advantages there, but that doesn't change what he is
as a football player. Now. He took full advantage of
those advantages and opportunities. And it's not like you know, again,

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you know, to ah Tah had great talent, around him
in a perfect storm in Alabama to a degree, you
know Deshaun Watson and Clemson certainly you know, uh, you
know Lawrence there in Clemson last night, he's certainly not
hurting for help around him as well. You're right, though,
that's not the Clemson team from last year. They lost
the tremendous players in the NFL draft. But I think

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Burrow the big thing is that you just gotta really
look at that, you know that translate football. The quarterbacks
got to be able to move. He's a phenomenal apple.
He has great feel for the football game. He really
knows how to play the position. I mean, takes care
of the ball. His arm is really good. I'm not
gonna sit here and go, oh my gosh, it's big time,

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Like it's not Patrick Mahomes. You know, I don't think
it's even as good as Trevor Lawrence's arm last night
or justin Herbert, but it's still a really awesome arm.
And the other thing to look at Doug with him too,
just how many plays we saw just in the College
football Final four or you know yesterday where hey, there
is nobody open, or in the SEC Championship game there's

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nothing there to be had, and then he makes it happen.
And to me, those are the things I look at
that's more conducive than the NFL. And not everybody's gonna
have the perfect offense and the perfect offensive line, and
he's certainly not going to have that in Cincinnati. But
I think when the system fails him or players fail him,
he has shown the talent to kind of say, hey, guys,

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no problem, I got this play. I'll cover your butt, coaches, players,
whatever it may be. Doug Gottli show, you're on Fox
Sports Radio. If you were Cincinnati, would you would you
take him? Would you would you take the best defensive
lineman in the country? Would you trade that? What would
what would your approach be? If you're a Bengal, my

(22:15):
approach would be probably do you know? And again, Doug,
hopefully we'll talk when I get into draft evaluation here sometime,
you know, around combine time and I get to really
watch these quarterbacks. You know, I think it's an interesting discussion.
I do think the kid in Oregon has more top
end physical ability than any of the quarterbacks in the draft. Now.

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He's like never left that area of Oregon, And you know,
I think things like that are going to you know,
concern people that way. He had some rough moments here
or there. But I think Joe Burrow and I'm the
Cincinnati Bengals, You're looking to energize your crowds, the kids
that's got familiarity with that area. I think it makes
a lot of sense. I do. I think you gotta
go take him. After the year he had, you know,

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they'd be kicking themselves. I think if you know, between
what we've seen as far as talent, the year he had,
how he plays the position, how he handles himself, if
it's two or three years down the road, uh, and
he's lightening it up somewhere else. I mean though that
that's something that will bug them forever. So yeah, as
it sits right now, and I'm just saying, as of
right now, he does look like the number one pick

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in the draft to me, Doug Gotlie show here on
Fox Sports Radio, how did Tennessee go in and kick
the hell out of the Ravens? Yeah? That I mean, well,
you know, okay, so I think you know, let first off,
the first drive, Baltimore shot themselves in the foot. I mean,
I think that's the first thing you can look at now.
Did I think Tennessee was gonna dominate Baltimore's D line

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the way it did in the run game? Certainly not.
But hey, Baltimore drives down you know, okay, Yes, they
drive down, interception erin throw, Okay, Then the next drive
drive down again. Go for it on fourth and one
on your own forty five. Just don't agree with that decision.
First off, that would be the first thing I would say.
You know, you haven't played football in three weeks. You're

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playing the hottest team in all of football, and you've
shown nothing as of yet that you're dominating the game,
and you're gonna act like it's a desperation situation on
your own forty five on the second drive at the game.
Oh and if that other team was doubting whether they
could really hang with you, well, no problem. You gave
them the confidence. They throw a touchdown the next play
after that, you know, then you get down later what

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happens again? And the first you know, and then to
start the third quarter going forward on fourth and five again,
I just I didn't agree with it. And you know,
I know that's probably the analytics that go for it,
But the game was telling you it was a different game.
You know, the analytics are not always the same when
you're playing the Tennessee Titans is when you're playing the
Arizona Cardinals, you know, on fourth and one. So I

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just think those were the wrong issues. The game got
away from them. They haven't played from behind really the
whole year, other than the first drive of the game
and things like that. The game got out of hand
and got into a style game that's not good for them,
and it's just snowballs. And Tennessee been very consistent. They
take care of the football, they run the football, and
the game ended up going just the way they wanted

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to go. How concerning should it be that when we've
seen this twice with Lamar in the playoffs, but but
also just the idea of, hey, people now are gonna
have a whole off season to try and figure it out,
trying to adjust their personnel and and do some of
what Tennessee did right, Like you know, the speed of linebacker,

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put an extra body in the middle, making him throw
outside the numbers where he's not as stronging. How how
concerning should that be? Well, I don't think it's you know,
totally concerning. I think the one thing that you know
that I'll look at to go what does Baltimore have
to change or get better at? You know, I think
they'll continue to grow and expand this offense we've seen
so yeah, teams will catch up, but they'll add new

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elements to it. He's going to get better as a thrower,
you know. That's the one thing we gotta see going forward.
When they get down fourteen nothing, when they get down
seventeen nothing, are they going to be able to rely
on their passing game to get them out of those scenarios.
That's probably the biggest question we got, you know, so far,
and we've seen the last two playoffs they got down

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and the game kind of fell apart from them. So,
you know, we saw tremendous improvement from Lamar Jackson in
the passing game from last year to this year. I
think that will continue to go up. They maybe get
another weapon or two in the passing game to help
him more speed on the field that can stress you
out that way. I'm not concerned. I'm really not. I
still think this team is in the window and has

(26:31):
too many good players to where they're gonna fall off
Planet Earth. I don't know if they'll be fourteen and
two next year, but I do think they'll be in
that conversation for one of the better teams in football,
just because hey, secondary super talented, big people on both
sides of the ball, Lamar Hollywood Brown. They get another
speed receiver in there, they can make life really hard
on teams. Chris Sims, Jonius and The Doug Otlip Show

(26:53):
on Fox Sports Radio. How much responsibility do you do
you think Ryan Tannehill should get because the numbers tell
you he hadn't done much right, but but but he
has in terms of turning this team around from a
quarterbacks perspective, how much credit do you think he should
get for their past two weeks performances? Yeah, you know,
I'm not gonna say a whole lot. He's kind of

(27:14):
just doing what's there to you know, he's taking advantage
of what's there to be had, and he's not messing
up the game. You know, That's where I always go like, hey,
context matters, because three years from now, we're gonna be like, well,
Ryan tannon Hill, he's two O two and oh in
the playoffs. I mean he has a special knack for
playing the playoff football. Oh, Yeah, No, I think the
team around him is really good. I think what Ryan

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Tannehill's gift is that he got them here, and he
got them through moments during the regular season where the
running game wasn't working that well and they were leaving
yards in the past game out there on the field
in a week to week basis, he's got them there now.
And what really good quarterbacks do too, is they can
play really well when the team might just be playing
average football, and because they're playing well, that mass some

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of those problems and then everybody catches up like we're
kind of seeing right now and now, oh Tannehill, pass game,
you're not on your right game, Don't worry. The rest
of the team has caught up. So yeah, I'm not
gonna sit here and tell you I'm like blown away.
But what he's done, he's kind of just managed the
game so far. But this might be a different week
this week with Kansas City, because you know, they match
up good with Tennessee and and we're very close the

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blowing the Titans out the first time they played them,
and you know, Damian will Williams fumbled the ball at
midfield and they returned it for a fifty yard touchdown,
and all of a sudden, we had a football game.
So I would expect we see more Ryan Tanneill in
the past game this week, especially because Kansas City has
been so much better in the run run game on
run defense power responsible for the collapses. Bill O'Brien, Well,

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you know again, I'm though, I'll I was. There's the
two parts, right. I have no problem with him kicking
the field goal to go up twenty four nups. You know,
at that point of the game, Kansas City had shown
no ability to move the ball. So you go up
by three touchdowns, three two point conversions, so you're basically saying, Okay,
Kansas City's gonna have to score six touchdowns to come

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back and tie this football game. And to this point,
they've shown they can't drive the ball. And you know,
he thinks, oh, you know, well, maybe if we make
a stop again to kick a field goal. We're up
twenty seven nothing and now it's a four score game.
I have no problem with that whole issue. I don't
like the fake punt. You know, twenty four to seven,
Kansas City had yet really to drive the field, right,

(29:26):
because the drive before was you know, the big kick
return by Nicole Hardman, and I think he kind of
gave them the spark and belief a little bit, like
I say with John Harbaugh to go, oh wait, we
can come back. What another short field? Oh now it's fourteen,
No problem. Ten points were in a game. Here goes
the momentum. Everything like that. I think he jumped started

(29:46):
in Kansas City is responsible for that. But this stuff,
for like Bill O'Brien needs to be fired into in
Houston and all that, that's insanity. He's one of the
better coaches in all of football. They're tough. He's gone
the playoffs with quarterbacks that most coaches in football couldn't
even freaking dream of going to the playoffs with. So Uh,
it wasn't perfect, but I still think he's one of
the better coaches in all of football. Uh. How would

(30:09):
you characterize Pat Mahomes The best quarterback in football? Is
how I categorized. I mean, I think I said that
to you a few weeks ago, and you asked me
who I'd haven't rather have, lamar Patrick Mahomes, And I
think you know this weekend showed why, because when you
get down Patrick Mahomes game translates to coming back more

(30:29):
than Lamar Jackson's does. I think that's the thing I
look at He's sick, Doug. I mean, you've watched it.
I mean, come on, it's insane in the membrane kind
of crap. This is like, this is Aaron Rodgers and
his prime. It just you know, you could. The thing
that jumps out to me when I watched the film
is how many good plays the Texans played on defense,
where I go, Wow, great coverage, Wow they got this

(30:50):
guy doubled. Wow, it didn't matter. Mahomes just sat in
the pocket and made a throw that was unreal and
it was the perfect defense. But you just can't stop that.
And that's where he's truly truly special. They protect well,
they're playing good defense. Kansas City is a handful of
Kansas certainly's Kansas City certainly can win the Super Bowl
with the way they're playing right now. Can Green baby
the Niners? I would say no. I would say no,

(31:14):
But I do think that playing there and knowing what
they're getting themselves into for a second time will be
a great advantage. I don't think Green Day beat San Francisco,
go and less San Francisco makes a mistake or two.
Jimmy Garoppolo throws an interception, maybe two like we saw
last week. I mean he threw one interception. I would say,

(31:36):
what do you think it was three or four others
were in Minnesota's hands that didn't catch the ball, right,
So you get two of those and maybe uh, you know,
a fumble somewhere else, you know, yeah, to turnover something
like that. I think green Day will be right in
this game. I think they'll be better prepared for what
they're dealing with the second time around. Awesome stuff, Chris
Sims Football Night in America. Chris, thanks so much for

(31:56):
your perspective. Next week we'll have two Super Bowl teams.
Thanks for joining us. You know, do be good to
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Tide on the Doug Gottlieb Show, Dan Buyer, what's the

(32:43):
game today? The game today? Doug is Rank com Doug
rank the three best players left in the NFL playoffs,
three best players Pat Mahomes, Aaron Aaron Rodgers, and Derrick
Henry in order, all right, rank the three best coaching

(33:07):
hires in the NFL this offseason. O, M hmm, I'm
gonna go um Ron Rivera one, Kevin Stefanski too, and

(33:28):
Joe Judge three. Not a fan of McCarthy or Matt Rule.
I just I think McCarthy is full of crap, right,
And he's kind of admitted to being full of crap, right.
He was like, I don't know if you saw some
of the quotes this weekend, like he didn't really watch
every game, you know, there's some some of the things

(33:49):
that he said that people. It was just it was
complete pr pr P rbs. And I think at the
end of the day, like they're gonna keep the same offense,
there's changing defensive coordinator, you know, like, all right, it's fine.
I whereas I think that Ron Riveris. I think he's
a really good dude, really good higher And I really

(34:10):
like that one. I think everybody says Stevansky hasn't been
an offensive coorder, but you don't need to be a
coordinator much. He needs to understand how to run an organization.
And because he's been uh, such a solid guy for
a long time. And I think Joe Judge, I'm I'm
a buyer. I'm a buyer into what they need and
how they need to play in order to win. Alright, Doug,
there was some controversy last night. I want you to

(34:32):
weigh in on this. Rank your three best college football
players that you've seen in your life. And I like that.
I like how you because I'm too young to have
watched herschel Walker, I barely remember Bo Jackson Um. Barry
Sanders is arguably the greatest running back of all time.
We can have this argument. And they had the greatest
season in the history of the position. And though they

(34:53):
had Hartley Dikes, so they can throw the football like
this is back. You know, it wasn't like he was
playing with a stack deck. In terms of his offense
of Lione Oaklama State, Barry Sanders one numero. You know,
Tommy Fraser to two national championships at and um and

(35:13):
I'm okay putting Tim Tebow three, Tim Tebow three, I'm
not old enough to watch Archie Griffin. Who would be
your three? Um? I was trying to make a list,
and I thought it was very I was probably Midwest centric. Um.
I put Ron Dane, I put Orlando Pace Pace is good.
And now mckinsue could be on there too. He was

(35:34):
incredible and then and and I know it's not throughout,
but I think that Rocket is mout when when he
was the Rocket, like it was like he was Tyreek
Hill before Tyree Hill. Yeah, like it was. It was
something maybe not the overall resume, but like when I'm
thinking back of the great college players of my time,

(35:55):
Rocket shows up. Alright, finally, Doug, rank your top three
whishers for your birthday to a ah. You know with
my birthday topation is that I get to see forty five,
that's number one, at least forty. Um, that I get
to keep keep my job, right, It's good to get
to keep my job, Like I like my job, and

(36:15):
that I I wake up to my family tomorrow. I
just that's really I'm kind of a simple guy. I
don't use any of those with the candles because then
they won't come true. This is game time on The
Dug Gottlieb Show. We do this thing when somebody accomplishes

(36:37):
something great. We like everybody missed out. We've done it
with Lamar Jackson. We're doing it with co Joe. I'll
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a quote today Farmers. So obviously Coach O is having
himself one hell of a time. Coach oh is uh
is a national championship coach. Wow? Right that that is
a wow. It's funny. I was watching um, I was

(37:42):
watching the blind Side, and I was watching The blind
Side and ed orgeron coach Oh. Everybody knows him as
everybody knows him nationally as coach Oh. I think Babe
was his His name is a as a college nickname
as a college player. But everybody knows coach other like
man that coach Oh, Like yeah, that was back when
he was the head coach at Old Miss two thousand

(38:04):
five to two thousand seven. He was the head coach
at Old Miss and you know, they had they were
loaded there, but his inability to figure out the offense
really ultimately undid him, right, I mean he had people

(38:24):
forget he had Patrick Willis, you know, he had an
absolute beast um, but he he fouled. He had no
nol Mazzoni, who was his offensive coordinator. They got into it.
He waited a year for a transfer from Texas to play. Look,

(38:44):
his two thousand and seventh season, they finished oh and
eight against the SEC three and nine. He was fired.
So ultimately, after going to Tennessee for a bit in
the NFL for a little bit, he goes to USC
his second into at USC and when Lane Kiffin was kiffened,

(39:06):
he took over and there was there was a little
bit of a movement there, but at the at the
and they beat Stanford, upset Stanford, but after they lost
thirty five to fourteen to u C l A and
did not look particularly well coached, USC decided to hire
Steve Sarkisian as their head coach. Now, sark was a

(39:30):
sitting head coach at Washington and did a very good
job of recruiting. Sark accepted USC's offered to become the
new head coach, and our zron was passed over. So
there's this sense that people have about Coach O that
had they had USC hired coach Oh, USC would be

(39:52):
national champions today. And and maybe that's the case because
he is and has been a phenomenal recruiter, phenomenal recruiter um.
But it should also be pointed out that Coach O
got the job at l s U as an interim
head coach. They were six and two. Steve and Sminger,

(40:13):
who of course tragedy lost a daughter in law and
as part of the program, was their offensive coordinator. But
when he finally got when he got the head coaching job,
he hired Matt Canada as his OC. Matt Canada came
from pitt and it was too much of it. They
didn't have the personnel and the players really struggled new system,

(40:37):
and yeah, you end up going nine and four, but
it was a mess offensively, a mess. Um Last year
he had and Sminger again as the offensive coordinator, and
it was better because they had Joe Burrow, but it
wasn't great. They finished up ten and three. This year,
everything came together. They win every game. Of course, he

(41:01):
made a huge coaching higher uh going and getting a
guy who is, you know, not thirty five years old
to work along with Ensminger, and the offense was like
an NFL offense with an NFL caliber quarterback, tremendous offensive line,
and great wide receivers. And the defense wasn't as good
as it had been, but part of it was they

(41:22):
were on defense a lot more than they used to be.
Games are longer, they gave a little more points, give
us more yards outside of really last night and the
Texas game, Orange and the Alabama and weren't challenged a ton.
We we make this mistake oftentimes where we think that
just because a guy is successful now, he would have
always been successful had he previously gotten the opportunity. And

(41:45):
maybe that's true, But fit is a colossively big component,
colossively big component in someone's success. Right. Someone's six says
like some marriages will go to the distance of fifty
years and some will not. Just because a guy gets

(42:07):
married to a woman is married for fifty years, doesn't
mean that every woman he would have married he would
be married to fifty years. Right. Just because he works
somewhere for thirty years ultimately up into retirement doesn't mean
any job you would have taken you would take. So
why do we do this with coaching and with players
where we just assume that, hey, we had coach oh

(42:27):
Ed or Sharon is a specific fit. And even the
places that he does fit like an old Miss, like
an l s U. You know, he it doesn't mean
that those would have worked for eternity. It didn't work
at old Miss. Part of it is he's from Louisiana,
so he speaks the language I mean, actually literally, there

(42:50):
is a creole language that he does in fact speak. Right,
Everybody kind of teases him whatever because of his voice
and because it goes tiggers, But he he speaks the
voice of a native lose cnnon and that works. Not
just recruiting that works in the sale of the program,
that buys him some extra time. He says all the
right things, like, look, he didn't their offense took over

(43:13):
college football. He didn't have anything to do with the offense.
And he'll say as much. That's why he always credit
the assistant coaches. He's smart enough to know what he
doesn't know. But would he have known that when he
was at USC. Would he have hired the right people?
Would he have had the right fit? Would he have
if he had a bad season or two? Would he
have been able to buy time with his charm? Because

(43:35):
I can tell you though, players love and players loved
him from his first sin NSC to his second stint SC. Like, okay,
but if you went nine and four and ten and
three in his first two years at SC, they would
be on his ass. You don't believe me, okay, So
Clay Hilton, Glay Hilton. What Clay Hilton's record been while

(44:02):
he's at USC, Right, what's his record been? Because Clay
Helton was at USC since you know, two thousand and ten,
and he was ten and three and eleven and three
in his first two years. Now, obviously year three was
an epic and complete and abject disaster once he once
he lost Sam Donald, but they won the Rose Bull

(44:26):
in his first full season as coach, and people are like, yeah,
I don't know, he's not the guy. They lost in
the Cotton Bowl and we're eight and one in conference play.
You know, played in New Year's six Bowl. And part
of the reason that Clay Hilton hasn't been able to
really make in Rhads is he's an outsider. You know,

(44:50):
he's an outsider. He played football at Auburn and and
at Houston. The reason he didn't get fired is because
the University of disaster, because they all of a sudden
people were bought into Clay Helton. We do this thing
when we're like, this is like the lit Lamar Jackson thing.
Lamar Jackson had a great year as an m v

(45:10):
P with with the Baltimore Ravens. Well, you know, the
Jets drafted him, it would have been a disaster. It
works in Baltimore because Baltimore has always had a culture
of winning. Baltimore has had a good defense. Baltimore drafted
well for years. They had the same group for the
last fifteen years, even if they changed GMS and Baltimore

(45:32):
was fully committed to Lamar after kind of changing course
last season. They didn't even know what they had, right,
There's some similarities there to be in Baltimore last year
when things just happened, Okay to l s U. Where
last year at l s U they're like, yeah, Joe Burrow,
nobody knew Joe Burrow was this, stop it. Nobody. People

(45:54):
thought Lamar could be something, but no one knew Lamar
Jackson was this. There's some similar it is to Steph Curry.
You know, people think I'm an idiot because I thought, hey,
you know, Ricky Rubio has more upside than Steph Curry,
And in hindsight I was wrong. But you know, the

(46:14):
Golden State Warriors told the Milwaukee Bucks, hey, we want
Andrew Bogan. You can have Monte Ellis or Steph Curry,
you pick. They picked Monte Allis. So even the Golden
State Warriors didn't know what they had at the time.
So if you want to sit here and go sees
a bunch of idiots, you wouldn't be wrong. It has

(46:36):
been run by idiots. But just because at Orgeron is
building a juggernaut at l s U and that they
were one of the best teams in the history of
college football. That doesn't mean it would have been the
same at USC. Danny Cannell joins the show of coming next,

(46:56):
we'll get his thoughts on at at Orgeron and how
long this will last? At SC AT at L s U,
we'll talk to some Joe Burrow, will it translate to
the NFL? And are we concerned at all about Trevor Lawrence,
who has already been anointed as next year's number one
overall pick. Be sure to catch the live edition of

(47:18):
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The Doug Gottlieb Show. Uh DK, We're always told that
this newest guy is the best ever. But L s

(47:40):
U did kind of run rough shot over all of
college football. Um, let's start with this L s U team.
How much of it is, how good they are, how
much of it was they didn't match up with Ohio State,
who might have been the second best team. Hm, that's
a good point. I mean, OHIWSE State was good, but
they did lose. You know, they have their opportunity against Clemston,
so you know, yeah, they had talented roster. But this

(48:04):
l s U team they laid And I hate recencly bias. Right,
there's nothing worse than drives me nuts. There's nothing more
that drives me nuts. When you're watching a game and
you see the social media tweets card this is the
greatest of all times, the best game I've ever watched,
or this is the best player I've ever seen. I
hate that and I really try to protect myself from
doing that. And yet if you go look at what

(48:26):
l s you did, I think this will withstand the
test of time as the greatest single season in the
history of college football as a team and a the
greatest individual performance from a quarterback in a season. And
it's gonna be really tough to to top because how
many teams even get the opportunity to play seven top

(48:48):
ten teams. Like that's the thing I'm looking at, Like
they gotta they just laid down a season for the ages,
and I don't think it's that recently, oh knee jerk reaction,
they have been as impressive as a guest. What's your
thoughts on Burrow at the next level. So you know,
it's interesting because about a month ago, I would have said, hey,

(49:10):
Joe Burrow has had an awesome season, but if it
was him or Trevor Lawrence as an NFL pro, I'm
leaning Trevor Lawrence. Like it was, it was a no brainer. Still,
two weeks ago I started to think, you know, Joe
Burrows keeps performing on the big stage. So now I
think it's like a flip of the coin, how neck
and neck they are. Even more so where I might
choose Joe Burrow over Trevor Lawrence. What sounds like blasphemy.

(49:33):
It sounds crazy because, especially considering and that one, I'm
a little bit more willing to check myself and say,
you know what, Trevor Lawrence had one bad game, but
he's still He's still Trevor Lawrence. Right, He's still the
six six phenomen who can run and it's got a
cannon for an arm um. But Joe Burrow has had
the advantage of playing in a system which creates more

(49:53):
opportunities for him which challenged his mind more at the
line of scrimmage, puts more on his shoulders, and it
translates better to the NFL. Yeah, Trevor Lawrence is going
to be more physically gifted and he will have probably
the measurables will favor him. But we really don't know
how Trevor Lawrence is going to do in an NFL system.

(50:13):
And what you look at what Joe Burrow has been doing,
He's got a significant edge as far as the Hey
get on the chalkboard and start drawing stuff up and
what have you been learning? What have you been executing?
So I think Joe Burrow is definitely pushed that Onblope
even further where now I think it's you can make
a very compelling case. So you would take Joe Burrow
over Trevor Lawrence, and I wouldn't fall to one bit

(50:34):
Doug Out Live show here on Fox Sports Radio. So
you think, no brainer, Bengals should take him, oh, without question,
without I mean it makes sense. You know, it's funny
because this l s U Team of Destiny, right coach
O is from Louisiana. Burrow transfers in and he, you know,
has this magical run and the championship game was an
hour from their campus. It feels like this it was

(50:56):
all destiny. I mean, doesn't it kind of feel? And
I know the Bengals aren't this so he franchise or anything,
but Ohio's own is your you know, he grew up there.
It makes sense. He just had this season. It's a
no brainer. Now it's gonna be on Cincinnati to put
him in a position to succeed right there Zach Taylor,
and more importantly than Zach Taylor in the system, I

(51:17):
think he is putting the talent around him to succeed.
And it might be a process because the roster isn't
exactly one of the tops in the NFL and there
might be a learning curve there, but hey, Peyton Manning
had a rough year one, Troy Aikman had a rough
year one. I think Joe Burrow is is as close
to a sure thing that he's going to be a
ten year starter in the NFL as we've seen. The

(51:39):
only question I have Doug is just how good he's
gonna be. And I think that that, for love, that
is more on the Bengals than it is on Joe Burrow.
Like he's shown if he's putting good situations, he can excel.
Now the Bengals have to put him in a good
situation when they take him number one. All right, what
about what about Lawrence? Any cause for concern after watching
him last night? You know, I'm trying to evaluate it

(52:01):
because he was up and down earlier in the season.
You know, it's first five games he had eight interceptions
that was a little bit sloppy, and then he dialed
it in. I just I will, I will not say
his stock has dropped one bit. There's definitely a little
bit more concerned. And my concern more was with the
offensive game plan, like where were the adjustments because they

(52:21):
came out in their first fifteen plays. They in my mind,
this is what I pictured going on Doug. They had
fifteen plays that they had predetermined they were to get
too early in the game and they had to exploit.
They had areas in L. S U. S defense they
wanted to exploit. And what happened. They go and they
rip off some nice plays, They get some guys wide open,
they deliver on them. They go up seventeen to seven. Well,
once those fifteen plays are exhausted, what happened to the counter,

(52:45):
you know, and Dave Rando, the defense Flora for LSU
to the outstanding job settling in adjusting withstanding that on slot,
and then they Clempson never had an answer. And I
know Trevor Lawrence has taken a lot of heat, but
I put some more criticism on the Clemson staff for
not giving him some more manageable throws. And he's out
there still like trying to throw these deep comebacks against

(53:08):
press coverage that are tightly covered and they're not easy throws,
and he was already struggling, Like, how about get his
confidence up, give him some inside routes and some underneath
routes and screens to at least get him in a rhythm. Instead,
they just kept like just launching it, and it was
it clearly he was off and his footwork mechanics, I
think we're a little bit uncomfortable from some of the
pressure and he was a little bit high, which was

(53:29):
all documented through the game. So I you know, it's
it's concerning, but we can't forget. I mean, a year
ago he played almost a perfect game against Alabama, who
at the time was talked about is one of the
greatest defenses we've seen, so it's gonna be a it's
a rough night for him. I just feel like he
had a bad game on the biggest stage, and that's
all I'm gonna chalk it up to. Okay, Lamar Jackson.

(53:50):
Long term, will it be what it was this year?
Will it be better? Or is what we've seen in
the playoffs teams starting to figure out how to slow
and how to stop Lamar Jackson. See, I would counter
Doug because I don't like saying, oh, the Titans figured
Lamar Jackson out. I don't think they figured him out.
I think they had some success against him, and you know,

(54:11):
they greero to get create some turnovers and I mean
even the first turnover wasn't a horrendous throw that was
tipped and then popped up. Yeah, it was a little
bit high, but it was a good read. He went
to the right guy and if he you know, if
they try to end makes a good catch, they're rolling
and you know he got it was an uncomfortable performance
for him. I think I think it will keep evolving

(54:32):
with Lamar Jackson, like he evolved from year one two
year two, where year one he was primarily a runner
and it was don't hurt us with your arm, and
year two it was man, he's this electric runner. We've
opened up the playbook and we're gonna pass it more
and we're gonna use a lot of play action. I
think in year three you'll see a little bit more
of pro concepts and a little bit of more of

(54:53):
passing from the pocket, which he's more than capable of doing.
And then I think you'll still see that electric Lamar Jackson.
I don't think you'll see him break any records that
he set this year, because I do think long term
you have to be concerned about his ability to stay
healthy because of the hits he's going to subject himself too.
But I think he's a starter in the NFL for seven, eight, nine,

(55:14):
ten years as long as they keep, you know, playing
the game the way that suits his style. This is
the new NFL, and they're protecting quarterbacks if you run,
and he's got that uncanny ability to protect himself to
no one to go out of bound, to no one
to slide, how to tweak his body so he doesn't
take that big shot. So I'm a believer in Lamar
Jackson that this will continue to evolve. I don't I

(55:35):
don't think you'll see. Look, I don't think he's gonna
be back to back m v P. But I don't
think he's gonna all of a sudden go away either
and be this pedestrian quarterback that's just you know, on
the on the verge of getting benched either. Okay, see
you have um, you have the Tennessee Titans. We we
do know their game plan. Danniel's thrown it since he
got the starting job, just hasn't had to the last

(55:57):
two weeks. But the game plan should be similar. Right,
You're gonna try and shorten the game and keep Pat
Mahomes off the football field. Can they do that in
Kansas City this weekend? I think they can. This This
team continues to blow my mind. I mean, you can do.
And Derrick Henry specifically, you mentioned it, like you know,
he's gonna run at you, But so did the Patriots,

(56:17):
and so did the Ravens, and so did everybody else
they face. But they cannot get off the field. And
if you remember early in the NFL season, remember the Colts,
I believe it was the Texans beat the Chiefs back
to back and they possessed the football for like thirty
nine or forty minutes and it was like, oh, really,
people have figured out the Chiefs. This is how you
do it now. The Chiefs are better defensively, so they're

(56:38):
not gonna get just pushed around. But the Titans feel
like they just are kind of that dog that's relishing
in that role as the underdog. And I'm sure you
saw the video that went viral that where Mike Rebel was,
you know, out in the hallway waiting for everybody come in.
There's a there's a vibe around that team that feels special.
But it's gonna be a herculean task for them to

(56:59):
stop patch A Homes in this offense because they they
you know, stumbled a little bit out of the gate,
but then you saw how capable they are of just exploding.
You didn't even play a full game well and they
still went over fifty points. It's insane because they've got
this incredible talent and Patrick Mahomes, they've got one of
the greatest And I'm not this is not an understate.
I don't think Andy Reid gets enough credit for his

(57:21):
offensive mind and then the talent the skill players around
the home. Good luck trying to stop them. So to me, yeah,
I think the Titans will be able to have some
success on the ground, but can they hold the Chiefs
under thirty That's a tough proposition to ask. Danny Cannell
joining US covers the NFL covers college football. You can
hear him on serious sex. M uh, let's go to

(57:43):
the to the NFC. Um, this has been the Packers team.
I've seen a year where they want to run it.
They want to get a lead, and that way they
can have their defensive line pin their ears back, get
after the quarterback, and when they need to, they break
glass in case the emergency. They still have Aaron Rodgers,
and when he has you know, when when he has

(58:04):
his best pass catching threat, it's it. It's a completely
different team. Um. Is that what you say? Are are
the Packers? I guess it's are the Packers actually good?
I think a lot of people think they're okay. I
actually think this is all according to plan, according to form,
and that they are really good. What's your take on
the Packers? I think you sound like Aaron Rodgers, like

(58:25):
I think you know, and he's pointed this out probably
five weeks ago. I think it was when he said
I think people are sleeping on it, but that's okay.
And then at the press conference after this last game,
he said, Hey, our fans don't even really think we're
that great, but we'll just you know, he's likely almost downplaying.
He's like, we'll just keep plugging along. And it is
a formula that does it is working. I mean, they

(58:46):
were the quietest thirteen and three team we've seen with
a Hall of Fame quarterback. Like, it's kind of remarkable
that they haven't been getting more attention and more praise.
And I think, but here's the thing. The forty Niners
really are playing outstanding football. They're playing fast. Jimmy Garoppolo
is playing like he's a season veteran, like he's a
guy who's played multiple playoff starts. I love Kyle Shanahan

(59:07):
and his offensive scheme that he's take some of that pressure.
He's committed to the run, and yet he knows when
to go for the juggular and I's as good as
the Packers have been. They did require two unbelievable throws
on third and eight and third nine to close out
that game, and they were they were very much on
the break of to have, you know, an absolute collapse

(59:29):
against the Seahawks. I don't see a scenario where the
Green Bay Packers going to in San Francisco and beat them.
I feel like San Francisco is just a really complete team,
and Richard Sherman is that's like the heartbeat, the voice
of that team. He's saying, nobody believes in us. I
think they're out for blood and they would love nothing
more than to take down Aaron Rodgers and math Packers team,

(59:49):
and I think they will kind of tired of the
nobody believes in this You're the one seed thing, right exactly.
It's it's the all time Like the guy's a Hall
of Famer and he's like nobody believes in the just
like alright, and he he loves I mean, look a
lot of it's about his brand. But I think the
message to the younger players, the guys who maybe don't

(01:00:11):
get the recognition, they loved that somebody's out there making
a case for him. So I think the locker room
loves him outing that message, which which is all that
really matters. Does Kevin Stefanski fixed Cleveland? No? I am
massively concerned for this higher I the Cleveland Browns. Whither
you're going to continue to be this dumpster fire in
the NFL. They completely with on so many decisions, whether

(01:00:33):
it was Freddie Kitchens now with the Stefanski higher. I mean,
Gary Kubiak was an offensive analyst, and when I watched
this team, the Vikings team that Stefancy came from, it
looked like Gary Kubiak's offense, It really did. So I
wonder how much of a full grasp he has on
some of the concepts. And I'm sure he'll be fine,
but I think this team needed somebody that the team

(01:00:53):
was going to respect, and that that was very much
an issue with Freddie Kitchens. And maybe Stefanski can go
in in command the room and all of a sudden,
the team, which is full of a lot of personalities
and egos, while all of a sudden checked them at
the door. But I'm not buying it. I think it's
gonna be another another poor hire for the Cleveland Browns.
And from what I hear coming out of the Cleveland

(01:01:16):
is that some of the issues that are why they're
not able to get good coaches is because the Jimmy
has them. The owner is putting some really crazy requirements
on the head coach. So much the guys like Josh
McDaniels are running from the door saying I don't want
that job, and that's why they're hiring somebody who will
just take it. And that's never really a good proposition
when that's the scenario. Well, now, the one look, I

(01:01:38):
understand and have heard many of the similar things, especially
in terms of respecting the guy. But doesn't that change
if Stefanski gets to have a hand in hiring the
GM and they're in lockstep, that that that makes the
head coach far more powerful? Correct? Correct, yes, yes, And
that's a good sign. Like I mean, that's why the
forty Niners. I love what they did bringing in Lynch
and Shanahan tied at the hip. You want to have

(01:01:59):
your front office and your head coach on the same page,
with the same vision, trying to accomplish the same thing.
But I worried now about like, essentially, isn't it weird
that you're kind of hiring your boss And that's a
weird dynamic, and I don't know if that's exactly healthy.
And yet I think, you know, if they do get
it right somehow, and they can get it, then maybe
there's a chance. But this is an unhealthy franchise. It

(01:02:22):
really is, and it just reeks up another disaster. And
I don't as much as Baker Mayfield. I liked him
coming out of college, where was like I kept waiting
for him to kind of get it and be humbled
and realize, oh, maybe I'm screwing this up. Maybe I'm
not handling myself the way I should. And yet it's
almost like he kept regressing and regressing and regressing and
going backwards. How do you trust him? How do you

(01:02:45):
trust O'Dell? How do you trust these personalities? It's really
hard for me to buy into what the Browns are doing.
And I think it's gonna be again. I think it's
gonna be a massive undertaking for a guy likes the
fancy that to go in there and turn this thing around.
Are they are the rates? Are the Cowboys that much
better with the coaching higher? I think so. I think

(01:03:05):
they are. I think this is the this is the
guy that they need to help get them over the home,
because I do think they're close. I mean, how many
games did it feel like they just let slip through
their hands? And for whatever reason, I maybe the players
start to take on the personality the coach and they
feel like they can't close out, or they feel like
we have to get conservative and we just don't want

(01:03:27):
to play that. We've got to play not to lose
as opposed to going out there and winning. Now you've
got a coach with comp cashe with a super Bowl
to his resume, and I do think that I'm I'm
okay with players are and coaches evolving, And I really
can appreciate what Mike McCarthy did in his year off,
creating the staff of people that he would meet with
on a weekly basis and study trends. And I'm willing

(01:03:50):
to give Mike McCarthy a chance from an ex as
an oath standpoint, to take that offense with Doc and
Zeke and some of the weapons that they have and
take them to the next level. Because they were already
really good, Like this was a good offense, they just
couldn't win games. They just couldn't close out. And I
think he's the right guy to do that. So I'm
actually pretty impressed with Jerry Jones he was able to
do that. I still want to see if Jerry will

(01:04:10):
kind of just let go, which I don't think happens,
but I do think Mike McCarthy has enough of a
profile where he can stand up to Jerry and some
of those tough decisions and say, you know what, you
need to step aside and let me do my job.
Awesome stuff. That's uh, that's Danny Cannell. Danny, another great
football sees college football season for you in the books.
We look forward to talk with you more about NFL
and about the draft. Thanks so much for joining us

(01:04:32):
on Fox Sports Radio. You got a man. I heard
there's a rumor going around there might be a hoops
game down in Miami. I'm just saying there is. We
go on the same squad. I mean, you know we
can still team up against all Right, look, were still
too because he's no longer on on the four letters,
So we could we could do that. Danny Cannell are

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keep with the Browns here. That's it's a great discussion here.
This is Kevin Stefanski new head coach on how the
Browns will be successful moving forward. This thing is about

(01:05:15):
a shared vision. It's not about what Kevin Stefanski wants
for the Cleveland Browns. If we have a vision of
what this is gonna look like moving forward, and it's
a collective vision. This was Stevansky on Baker Mayfield. Like
any one of our players when they walk in the building,
will have a detailed plan for them about how they're
going to improve. And Baker as a young player, they're

(01:05:36):
the the sky's the limit, but we're gonna put in
the work to get it done with Baker. Yeah, I
I get the sense. I get the sense that the
plan is for you, like book Baker to improve and
you know, to simplify things for him to establish a
running game. I'll also be interested. You know, they had
some problems with Stefon Diggs in that offense in Minnesota.

(01:06:00):
I'm I'm wondering about long term Odell Beckham Jr. And
you know, you got Jarvis Landry who had some unhappiness.
You got Odell Beckham Jr. Had a lot of unhappiness,
and like I I mean, I'll just I think he
he looked like a clown last night passing out hundred
dollar bills on the on the sideline. Odebeca junior single

(01:06:21):
handedly volunteering to never be on the sideline for a
college football game. Ever. Again, the problem under Freddy Kitchens
was a lack of discipline and they never established an identity.
And remember this was what Freddy Kitchens had to say,
I truly do not look at stats. Yeah, where you
get Stefancy comes in does the exact opposite. We're gonna

(01:06:43):
look at every possible stat every possible angle, and give
a guy a detail plan for how to get better.
You know, that's what they did. You know they It
is interesting that you went from a guy who hadn't
been a head coach to another guy who hadn't been
a head coach. But I think some of it was,
you know, they've they've done just about everything in Cleveland
to try and make it work. Stefanski is like a

(01:07:05):
it's a really interesting dude. Right. He's been only with
the Minnesota Vikings since he got to the NFL from
O six to two thousand and twenty, with one organization,
through a bunch of different head coaches, and you know,
he he had he's had some really good years, even
with case Keenum as his UH as his quarterback when

(01:07:28):
he was quarterbacks coach. So I think here's a guy
who he's worked in all different parts of the organization.
He worked for Brad Children's of course, that was he
worked with Brett Favre, Brett Farther was there with Leslie Frasier,
with Mike Zimmer, three different coaches. He's been at different levels,
all on the offensive side of the football. You know,

(01:07:50):
and and who they hired a GM is going to
be fascinating. But you look at how the Vikings are built.
That is a really well built, really disciplined football team.
Do they have a ceiling with Kirk Cousins. Yeah? Is
their offense a little bit stale, a little bit lame
at times? Sure? But the habit in the playoffs the
past couple of years, haven't they right? When they when
they've been healthy, they've been in the plant. And that's

(01:08:12):
really the goal there. You're you get a guy who's
only been a one organization, been stable. That's what you
want from Cleveland. You want a stable dude because you
had such instability there. I don't know if it works.
I think you can. I think it's got a shot.
I think it's got a shot. Um, And I just

(01:08:37):
you know, I just I really think that if you
look at how they ran the football this year, that's
what they're going to do in Cleveland. And when you
had an unhappy star wide receiver last year, you're probably
looking at head going maybe we can get something for
Rhodell Beckham Jr. Coming next are the Seahawks wasting Russell

(01:08:57):
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heard previously on Fox Sports Tradio or Fox Sports One.
We call it Say. Nick Wright was on First Things First,
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One six thirty to nine thirty am Eastern Time on
FS one. This is Nick talking about the Seahawks and
how he believes they're mismanaging Russell Wilson. I can't say

(01:09:42):
they're wasting their window with him, because, first of all.
I think they're only probably halfway through it. So as
the eighth season, I bet he plays fifteen sixteen years
at a high level in today's NFL. And the guy
who's never been hurt, never missed a game, you have
no reason to think he's not gonna play a very
long time. And by the way, he just became the
first quarterback ever to have a winning record each of
his first eight years, first guy to ever do that,

(01:10:05):
And you've got to give him he Mint credit for that,
and the organization he ment credit for putting pieces around him,
for never falling off, or even when they are rebuilding,
staying competitive winning at least nine games. So I do
want to give Seattle and Pete Carroll and John Schneider credit,
and I think Schneider is one of the best gms
in football. My issue with Seattle and what you're alluding
to is would they call their offensive game plan any

(01:10:29):
different if Blake Bortles were their quarterback And I can't
see it. They they call games like throwing the football
as a last resort, like their quarterback is a liability. Um. Look,
I I was a little disappointed that they didn't open
up the playbook earlier. They didn't let him run around

(01:10:50):
and make plays earlier. And so with that I am
lockstep with Nick Wright in regards to the game plan.
We also have to remember that they lost their top
three running backs to season ending injury. Forget about all
the other stuff. Their top three running backs, a team

(01:11:10):
that was third in the NFL and rushing was their
top three running backs. And they're trying to kind of
navigate who are we now. It's really hard to change
your identity mid season, um, And that identity of running
the football and turning it over to Russell Wilson late
works has worked, will work. They've they've had to put

(01:11:32):
out fires in the defensive side. They tried to shore
up the offensive line. We tried to get more wide receivers.
That Jimmy Graham thing never really worked. Like there's a
bunch of stuff. All that said, they keep getting in
the playoffs and competing and with that, and they did
beat the Eagles on the road the week before. So
as much as we can be and I think fairly

(01:11:53):
critical of the game plan, um, the fact is that
the game plan did put them in position with the
football down five, a chance uh to take the leader
and win late. So I don't. I just don't want
to be unrealistic and say hey, you need to go
oop to you when he also doesn't have the wide
receivers to do that. I mean, like, look, Buyer will
tell you that, you know, the if they just catch

(01:12:17):
the football, we might have a different game. We might
have a different outcome to that game. And there was
a huge play on the last drive by the Seattle Seahawks,
I mean an absolutely positively massive play and and it
was it was a drop you know, it was a drop, um,

(01:12:41):
and you know, like you sit there and go, how
is this possible? I mean, like, look, they were using
Jacob Hollister to catch the football. Jacob Hollister to catch
the football, and he had to. He had that big
catch and run. I think that was in the third quarter. Yeah,
I was in the in the third quarter, you know.
And then in the four oath quarter on the last drive,

(01:13:02):
you know, Russell Wilson throws an absolute strike. Who is that?
Who is that? To Buyer, Um, I'm trying to think
was that was that the leek Turner and Leek Turner
dropped it right in his hand. And then they showed
Milik Turner on the sideline, like like, don't ever put
that guy? He should have wrote home in the in
the great So it's fair to be critical of the

(01:13:24):
game plan, but some of it is they don't have
They don't have a litany of wide receivers, and the
game plan, however flawed, you may think it is, keeps
them in the game for Russell Wilson win it late,
which is how they win games, right. Yeah, absolutely, when
when they when Green Bay was putting it back to
Seattle with four minutes to go, It's basically that's all
you could ever ask for it. I know, it doesn't
make sense when you don't have your top three running

(01:13:44):
backs to try to run the ball, but with that team,
you actually do have to establish it. You have to
make them think that, you know what, they may run
the ball here, because then Russell Wilson on play fakes
and rollouts, has the ability if you're just gonna chuck
it fifty five times a game, nobody is biting on
that stuff. You're not wearing down the defense. Yeah, I mean,
there was the same criticism of Brian Schottenheimer in last

(01:14:06):
year's game against Dallas that they didn't turn the keys
over to Russell Wilson, you know soon enough in that
game because they made a late stretch and were able
to scorel up. But yeah, it's a part of who
they are. Great stuff, Thanks Dan, That's what the Fox said.
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you know whatever, and my son Hayes is like, Oh,
he's just getting warm over there. I go, now, he
better stay warm over there because he's not getting back
in the game. You dropped that ball. No quarterback in
the NFL is throwing that to you again. And it

(01:14:49):
was an absolute I mean an absolute strike, absolute strike.
You cannot drop it. Speaking of absolute strikes, Joe Brow
threw some strikes last night, right what I throw a
six touchdown passes? I mean, it's filthy. He had a
great season. You could make the argument of the best
season the history of the sport college football. But but

(01:15:09):
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We're given us, Chris Sims earlier, given us Danny Cannell earlier.
Tom Verducci, who of course you see work on Fox
and our coverage a Major League Baseball the All Star
Game in the World Series, we'll talk some astros and
why the astros get to hold on the World Series
and why the players didn't get any punishment when the
punishment was handed on yesterday by Rob Manfred, the commissioner
of Major League Baseball. Um, I'm interested in this Joe

(01:16:19):
Burrow thing. Burrow was great last night. So so here's
what's gonna happen is you'll have people that cherry pick
what I say and they'll go, yeah, leave, hey, not
all quarterbacks. Look, I'm just I'm not in a highly
emotional state. And I do know that when you're highly emotional. Um,

(01:16:43):
you know that I'm not. When you're highly emotional, you
make kind of knee jerk not just decisions and reactions,
but also you can make kind of grandiose statements. Right,
I mean, listen when you're she in and he and
as they say, have you ever said something that you

(01:17:03):
were like? I would probably not say that again. Right.
That says the great ast ever. I've heard people say
that he had the greatest season ever. Joe Brow had
the greatest season ever. Look, statistically, it's hard because there's
so many more snaps now, you know, so many more
throws um sec. Defenses are are depleted. Right, this wasn't

(01:17:25):
a classic Alabama team. Classic Alabama great team. Um, you
know they beat Texas like Texas is good. They threw
it a lot, a lot of possessions, a lot of opportunities.
And he's twenty three years old with an NFL caliber
play caller, like everything the perfect storm. Hit sixty touchdowns, Wow,

(01:17:48):
over five thousand yards passing. Wow. Now, I don't think
anything compares to Barry Sanders and what he did at
Oaklahoma State during his junior year. Right, um, And there's
some similarities there. You know Barry's freshman year, you know
he burries freshman. I think he was All American kick
return Why didn't he start? Well, they had Thurman Thomas.

(01:18:11):
You know, you go back and look at Joe Burrow, like,
why didn't he play at Ohio State? Look at the
guys the head of him. Plus he got hurt in
the preseason, so he's buried in the depth chart. Last
year it was good, it wasn't great. This year everything
takes off. Is it part of his pertrol personal man tration? Yes?
Getting his sea legs under him from not having played
for three years. Sure, A new system, one that is

(01:18:33):
too advanced for college defenses, yep. A litany of talented
players that felt like they were underutilized previously. Sure, Like
all of these things went in their favor, went in
their favor. You know, it wasn't spectacular against Auburn that
was at home. There was some but after that they

(01:18:54):
just took off and he was great. I don't have
anything bad to say about Joe Burrow, with the exception
of like, not sure there's that you do need tangibles.
He has the intangibles, he has to touch, he has
the i Q, seems to have the leadership. I even
liked when he went over to the sideline and you
saw the the different handshakes with the wide receivers, like, look, man,

(01:19:17):
you've got to be able in that room to relate
to all the wide receivers and have some fun. I
didn't mind when he threw a beautiful touchdown pass and
pointing to the ring like ring me. I liked all
of that. We've seen too much swag go awry in
Cleveland before. And he's gonna go to a Cincinnati team
which has an unproven head coach, without a lot of
talent offensively, a terrible offensive line, like a terrible offensive line,

(01:19:39):
and their defense is a joke. When you go to
a stack roster that is a quarterback in an offensive
system away from being a great team. That's different. That's
the opposite of what the Bengals are. So many like
they got Joe Mixon, they got maybe a J. Green,
and what else do they have? That's not a lot.
It's not a lot. So I just I don't know

(01:20:03):
if we should I don't know. I know we shouldn't
evaluate from an emotional state. I know you shouldn't shop hungry,
you know. I know you shouldn't try and parent when
you're angry. You know, take a breath, ten seconds screaming
a pillow, then go into your kid's room and then
like you're really really upset, you're really angry. You just
you have to be kind of pragmatic and balanced and

(01:20:27):
calm and cool. And that's how you have to be.
When you select a quarterback, it just because he's from Ohio,
Like that's great, right, shouldn't be the reason you draft him.
Like the LSU wide receivers are freaks, freaks, right, Like

(01:20:50):
Clemson has all the heav of the recruited guys, but
they made him look like high school guys. And this
is not a great Clemson defense. I think we all
kind of know that, you know, I would have liked
to see them against Ohio State and has elite level
first round draft pick cornerbacks. We did not get a
chance to see that. And that's what happens, and that's
what happens in a tournament, Right in a tournament, you

(01:21:11):
can't predict who wins these these kind of close matchups.
And I thought Ohio State was better, but Clemson won
the game. So I'm not sitting here trying to trying
to crush Joe Burrow or say he didn't have an
incredible season, or that l s U took on all
the comers. But there's a lot of it. Right, There's
l s U. You had been good, but not great

(01:21:31):
for years. L s U had been an offensive way
at quarterback away, an offensive system way, and it all
just hit in a year in which the sport was
a little bit down because it's been depleted and l
s U was not down. That's what happened. But it
doesn't We've seen other guy, you know, Tim Tebow statistically
had the best season in the history of the sport.

(01:21:53):
When he was done. Was he an NFL quarterback? Granted,
the throws he were making were not anywhere near what
Joe Burrow was making, but I would say that Joe
Burrows doesn't have the arm of a you know, of
a Kyler Murray from last year, and I get it,
like it's not all about tangibles. It is at times
is about intangibles, completely and totally understood. But you do

(01:22:17):
have to have some tangibles to make to throw those
routes outside the numbers in the NFL. And remember he'd
be going to Cincinnati. They don't have the talent, they
don't have the line, and they're playing against the Ravens,
the Browns, who should be better, couldn't be worse, and
the Steelers and you're playing all outdoors. So I'm just,
I just I. You know, Trevor Lawrence was inaccurate last night,

(01:22:44):
but he didn't have guys running wide open and you
see that arm. I mean he threw a touchdown pass.
It was called back because of a terrible offensive past interference,
but it was sixty yards in the air on a line.
And Trevor Lawrence is three years younger than him. He's
going to prove more rapidly than Burrow. There, look, there

(01:23:04):
could be a seal. It's like Baker Mayfield. Like Baker
may Ff was great in college. He was older, he'd
seen a bunch he was advanced mentally, and we've seen
Baker Mayfield kind of plateau here. You could see that
with Joe Burrow as well, whereas Trevor Lawrence Sky is
kind of the limit, kind of the limit. All right,
We got a lot of other things to get to. Um,

(01:23:26):
was major League Baseball too soft on the Houston Astros? Right,
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(01:23:48):
Major League Baseball for ESPN. Multiple ownership levels told ESPN
that a disfatisfaction with the penalties had emerged following the
conference call with Rob Manfridt, Commissioner of Major League Baseball,
and which he explained how the Astros would be disap
and then he told the teams to keep their thoughts
to themselves. The impression, one person familiar with the call
told ESPN was that the penalty for complaining would be

(01:24:10):
more than Houston got. At ten thirty am on Tuesday,
That was Sumer Sail thirty am on Tuesday. The Dodgers,
who lost the two thousand seventeen World Series and seven
games to the Astros. Of course, that was the big
part of MLB's investigation, released a statement saying all clubs
have been asked by Major League Baseball not to comment

(01:24:31):
on today's punishment of the Houston Astros, as it's inappropriate
to comment on discipline and post on another club. The
Dodgers have been asked to not comment on any wrongdoing
during the two thousand and seventeen World Series and will
have no further comment at this time. Passing rights run
through a passive aggressive translated the Dodgers words mirrored, mirrored
what a team president said earlier in the day. Crane

(01:24:53):
won the whole thing. The entire thing was programmed to
protect the future of the franchise. He got his championship,
he keeps his team, his f and is nothing the
sport lost but Crane one. Crane's the the Astros owner.
It was square employees and Major League Baseball teams from cheating,
at least for a while, and the man who owns
the team gets to enjoy his ring. He gets off

(01:25:14):
light and can start with a clean slate Um yesterday,
I said Major League Baseball's punishment felt too soft, and
I that was my initial thought what I generally do
for some of my takes, especially in professional sports. I
know people need professional sports. It wasn't like I said

(01:25:37):
something that I was out of turn. I didn't know
the level of dissatis, that dissatisfaction was spread to this extent.
You know, I didn't know it was spread to this extent,
but apparently it is. So I just man, I'm I'm

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sitting here thinking Major League Baseball has done the one
thing you don't want to do when you have this
sort of issue. It's that you make it worse what
they are doing. And stick with me for a second.
Here is akin to what the NFL did with the
Ray Rice situation. So look, if you remember, I want

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you to jog rememory when Ray Rice was accused of
striking Jane Rice o right, initially he was suspended for
two games. Now, in the context of the time, and
by now you've seen the video I'm sure fifty times
over several years ago, but the context of the time,
that was the longest suspension for domestic violence in the

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history of the NFL. Let that sink in. It was
the longest suspensions, only two games, longest suspension in the
history of the NFL. He went to a pre trial
diversionary hearing, so he was never technically in court. We
didn't see the video. Blah blah blah blah blah. All
we know is he was accused of something. At first

(01:27:11):
they denied it. Then he he played guilty in a
pre trial divisionary hearing. They stayed together, they got married,
and the NFL suspended for two games. The reason that
the NFL looked so bad was they suspend him two games,
and the video came out and we're like, wait what
two games? Then went from two to six to indefinite two.

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He's never played another football game. Major League Baseball had
an opportunity to lay down the hammer. And one of
the things about finds the suspensions in professional sports that
we've seen is you're almost better off to be too
severe and then whoever you punish goes to court, you
have a meeting, you can even take some of it back.

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They didn't punish the players at all all, I mean
at all. And five million dollars to a guy that
that the team is worth a couple of billion dollars.
It's it's chump change. Yeah, he took away kill picks
new general manager. I don't think it's nothing but to
let the World Series stand. When you got you got

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caught cheating in the World Series. I just I don't
understand how you can't again because you're not really taking
back the World Series, not taking back the rings, you're
not taking a back the memories. But it would just
be vacated, just be vacated. Yes, Ryan, do you think

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this is something that will eventually blow over and it'll
just sort of be like passing comment like oh yeah,
I mean, like remember the Astros cheated in the World Series?
Or will this be like a Spygate type of thing
with the Patriots where people will forever now going forward
always think regardless of what the Astros do, they're just cheaters,

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even like ten years from now. Yes, yes, I think
the second part, But I also think that realistically, you know, players,
there's so many different players that have moved to different places.
It will be harder to attract the players, and by
not suspending them, we've forgotten many of the players who
were on that team to begin with. You know, we've

(01:29:27):
forgotten it but yes, I think this, this is a
this is a black eye for all of for for
all of the ASTROS organization as it should be um
and and I want to be I'll be fully candid.
I did not think that Tom Brady should be suspended
for the deflated football because whatever they did with the football,

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that's never that's never been a big part. Like that
whole thing is because the week before, like everybody in
the sport knows this, the week before they used some
different formations, confused the ray. Tom Brady said you should
really read the rule book, and then they called their
boys in Indian like, you guys should check the footballs out.
They deflated footballs. That's how Brady likes them, you know.

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I mean, like, look the NFL, they had some p
s I study. We've never heard hide no hair about it.
So we don't know how much of his defense stand up.
But it's not like deflating football has ever been a
big problem in the sport. Stealing signs and using electronic
technology has been something that people are accused of. And
if it wasn't this has always been my thing about

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steroids in baseball and now stealing signs. If people legitimately
thought it wasn't a big deal. Then when asked about it,
they would have said, yeah, we stole signs, what's the
big deal? Everybody still signs? Of course they know, they
know it's wrong. What about this? Uh? And Ramos and
I have talked about this before the show. One of

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the things that's starting to spread across what seems like
social media platform arms or even a couple of blog
posts is it's not just the Astros. And we know
that the MLB is doing their investigation into the Red
Sox right now, but now it's like, uh, well you know,
it's not just Houston and alex Cora. Basically every team

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does this. Do you think that most MLB teams are
going this far? Or is this really just an Astros thing?
I think there are other teams that have used technology
and the teams that if you get caught, you'll get
a severe punishment, but they they used it. They it
was something a lot of people had said. If you

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go back and you follow Major League Baseball, people have
talked about like there was a ridiculous number of home
runs hitting that World Series. People have talked about the Astros,
some being up with them for a long time. So
I would say that some of it is because of
the Astros and the culture of that place, and and
and how people felt about him. And I would also

(01:31:57):
say that this is this is it feels more like
the Astros, but I'm sure it exists elsewhere. See that's
interesting because I tend to I sort of agree with
you in the sense that I guess logic would tell
you they're probably not the only team. Just like with
the Brady thing, you know, he wasn't the only quarterback
that had a specific way that he wanted the football.

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I mean, that's like basically every quarterback. But it does
feel more like it was very much when you read
the reports and you read the memos, it feels like
this was very much a Alex Cora came up with
an idea, and they slowly evolved that idea over time,
and then MLB caught wind of it. As you were saying,

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they sent out a memo in September saying, if you're
doing this, you should stop, and they basically never stopped
and ended up winning the World Series three months later. Right,
they were tipped off to it and they said, don't
do it, and they did it, and they got caught
and the rest, as they say, is history. Yes, so
that sends make me believe that maybe a few teams

(01:33:02):
might have also been doing it. And then when the
memo iban like, look, it's so obvious to be like
it's one of those things to where you're like, how
are these guys not using it? Right? There was the
Apple Watch thing too, What was that? What were the
teams that are involved? You know, here's what we'll do.
We're gonna catch up with Tom Verducci in a minute,
I will, he'll, he'll tell us there was some Apple
Watch stuff where teams were using Apple Watches to cheat

(01:33:24):
and they got punished kind of quickly, and it was
you know, it's the idea of it's the idea of
it's not as much that you do. And it's like, hey,
we just pulled you over like ten miles ago and
told you and let you off on it with a warning,
and now you're going like a hundred in a in
a seventy five, like what are you doing? Dude. Be
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(01:33:45):
Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on
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(01:34:07):
coverage next Tuesday, January one. Tom, I want to get
to the rest of the league. I just but first,
your personal is a guy who loves and covers this sport.
What's your reaction to Rob Manfred's ruling after the investigation
about the astros Well, I was surprised at the harshness
of the penalties, but after I read the nine page report,

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I wasn't surprised, But there was a lot of discovery
in there. I mean, I'll give Baseball credit for being
as transparent as they were. I mean, that was richly
details and we'll put together. So if you told me
everything before that, I would have said, yeah, I was
expecting very harsh penalties. But all we really knew about
was the trash can system midway through the regular season.

(01:34:51):
I did not know it carried on through the post season,
which obviously to me. This is the other big takeaway.
It completely taints there were series championship. I don't know
how you can say otherwise when you have a three
month investigation that lays out in great detail is sophisticated,
detailed science stealing mechanism that they use for the entire

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season and postseason, and not say it's tainted. I mean,
I can't tell you what pitches turn the tide and
when they used it, but we know that they used it. Well,
then then you then you go like the you know,
Cora goes to the Red Sox and maybe you didn't
use the exact same system, but some form of the system,
but only for the regular season. Like that sounds that

(01:35:32):
sounds laughably unbelievable. You're only going to do in the
regular season. Now when it really matters, you're like, no,
no, no no, now we'll go legit. Guys. Well, I'll tell
you this, Doug going before the leading into the postseason
that you're referring to, or the Red Sox one at all.
The Commissioner's office received multiple complaints from multiple teams about

(01:35:54):
multiple teams about science feeling going on. In other words,
everything has broken loose, and other teams getting with the
program in so specifically because of the number of complaints
that they were getting, they really beefed up. Well. They
went from zero monitoring the replay monitors to beefing it
up and having security people basically two of them on

(01:36:16):
every replay monitor. I remember that postseason and the managers
and coaches were saying, we got people around all the time, like,
you know, this is c I A stuff. So I
will say, whatever systems they had in the the regular season
eighteen it would have been harder to pull off and
putting nothing passing out of these guys. But the protocols
were very different in the postseason because then I think
Major League Baseball began to understand how widespread it was. Okay,

(01:36:40):
so let's get back to the astros um you mentioned
that attained the World Series. I think I don't only agree,
but I think most anybody agrees. The problem with it
is they didn't put an asterisk. They didn't take it away,
they didn't punish the players. You know, you fired the
GM and you fired uh the manager, and you find

(01:37:02):
the team five million dollars, But what did you really
do to the World Series? Well, I agree, there's no
official asterisk you're not changing results of it. It's there's
no way to unwind everything. But I will tell you this,
their reputation is in tatters and that lasts forever. I mean,
we're almost seventy years away from the nineteen one New

(01:37:22):
York Giants, and we found out later they were stealing
signs with the help of binoculars and buzzers in the
outfield at the Polo Grounds. But you can't think about
the fifty one Giants today without thinking about them stealing signs.
That's gonna be the case about the Astros seventy years
from now. That's not going away. Now that's not officially
a mark on their record, but reputation wise, they ain't

(01:37:45):
getting that back. Um what what? What? What are others saying?
Like you? You talked to everybody? Tom Berducci joining es
course you see him in the MLB network see on
Fox dis coverage the All Star Game, Major League Baseball's playoffs,
and of course the World Series. He joins us on
the Doug Olive Show. What are what are people in
Major League Baseball saying? Well, it runs again. At first

(01:38:06):
of all, the commissioner kind of shut down all the
other clubs to say that there they can't talk about
discipline levied against another club. Um, you noticed there's been
radio silence out of the Houston player. I mean twenty
three of them were interviewed in the process of this,
including Carlos Beltron, who's the only one mentioned by the
way in the report. We've heard nothing from them about that.

(01:38:27):
That's the only thing that's lacking here. We've had a
tremendous amount of discovery. We've had penalties, We know what
went on. We've had no ownership from anybody, you know. Basically, Um,
Jeff lunw he claimed he didn't know what was going on.
The manager A. J. Hinton knew what was going on,
but wasn't really down with it. I mean, he didn't
stop it, and that's why he gets suspended. We haven't

(01:38:49):
heard from Alex Corey yet. He's still under an investigation.
But we've heard nothing from players. Nobody stepped up and said,
ye know, it went on, we were wrong, we shouldn't
have done it. You know, it was the culture that time,
whatever you want to tell us, but we haven't heard
anything about that. We know that Mike fires was the one.
Getting back to the original questions, there's a lot of
talk about Mike Fires and what's his role in the
culture of the clubhouse. Yeah, there's some people who are

(01:39:12):
ticked off. I'm talking about players who are not with
the East an Astros because he quote unquote broke the line.
But there's a lot of people who are really happy
that he did as well. You know, there's a lot
of movement in the game today. You know, secret secrets
don't last very long as guys move around, and that's
how this one originally came out. Um, So the reaction
has been I think across the board, but I think, um,

(01:39:35):
now everybody knows that here's the biggest thing. No one
knew what the penalties were going to be. We knew
the commissioner put all the clubs on warning that hey,
the next time this happens. This is post Apple Watch, Yankees,
Red Sox on the Levy, harsh penalties. Nobody knew it
that man, you can't compare this to say a manager
who bumped an umpire. It's right up the game. We
had no idea what would be and now we know

(01:39:58):
what it is, and I think that caught a lot
of teeth intense. Now, if you're a manager. Your job
depends on knowing exactly what's going on and stopping it
in real time. M fascinating stuff. Um yeah, I mean
I I actually agree with you. You can't have like,
you can't have teams commenting on it. You just can't.
I I understand what baseball is trying to do, but

(01:40:20):
I also understand that you know they're sitting there going like,
did we have a tainted World Series on our hands?
How can we let that stand? Even if it won't
mentally stand for baseball for for fans, I think it
will and it makes it really hard for for Rob Manfred. Um.
Last thing in regards to the Astros, how does this

(01:40:40):
all affect their team? Because they still have a ridiculous
amount of talent, but a lot of that talent has gone.
The best picture has gone. Now their general manager has gone. Uh,
now they're their manager himself has gone. What's left for
the actual baseball team? Yeah, it's uh, it's a big
heart here, There's no question about it. I mean just
in terms of the capital, the talent capital that they

(01:41:01):
lost with the manager of the general manage or a
huge part of what they do. Um, you know they'll
be replaced, but you know, all their institutional Knowlunge there
goes away. Um, Listen, it's still a very talented team.
They're not gonna fall off the table here in. But
the lots of draft picks is huge. I mean, that's
the biggest thing, Doug. But you know, teams are more
than willing to write a check to get out of jail,

(01:41:23):
you know, pay the fine and get the move on.
The way you hurt teams is access to talent, especially
at the top of the draft. Look, there's no doubt
that they're gonna get hurt by that down the road.
That won't show up in but that was a big
hit as well. Uh, and the way the front office
ran things and some of the brain drain they've had
the last couple of years with other people moving on.
It's not a very deep front office that can survive

(01:41:45):
losing Jeff lun Now very easily. Jim Crane said he's
going to oversee baseball operations for the time being, but
they need a real general manager in there. Um. So yeah,
I think there's no question they're gonna have to answer
a lot of questions in spring training. I mean that
that goes on for a few days. Look, at beyond
that um but systematically that's organization took a big hit yesterday.

(01:42:07):
You know, it's amazing. As Brandon Talban who you know,
I mean, his his act in the Major League Baseball playoffs.
I don't know if he he he probably is the
GM of the Astros if he doesn't act like a
complete idiot. Right, you're right, But I think now he's
out of out of baseball. He's satur baseball. He's not
gonna get another job at baseball. And I think it

(01:42:29):
was symptomatic as some of this stuff that commissioner hadn't
report about how bad the culture was there, you know,
winning above everything else. And I think someone like Brandon Talman,
who could be such a fast riser in the organization,
told you a lot about what was gone on there.
And we're not even talking about the rule changes in
baseball and how they're you know, the the multiple batters.

(01:42:51):
You gotta face like it. Baseball is going to look dramatically,
dramatically different next year. Uh, this is hey, I know
you got you got the Hall of Fame upcoming. What's
that like for you? It's a challenge, man, it's uh,
you know, all of us taken very seriously. All the writers.
People think writers get together and just you know, it's

(01:43:14):
a big cabal and they just decide who's going in
and going out. But you've got more than four people
with a lot of different opinions on it, So doing
the homework and this is really hard. Obviously the steroid
issue is complicated things in the last decade or so, um,
but it's still I still say it's still the best
Hall of Fame process that's that's out there. It's very
transparent getting of sports writers to agree that you're Hall

(01:43:37):
of Famer. You get over that bar man, you deserve
to be in. So um. But the election day itself
is always really exciting. We know Derek Cheaters getting in, right, Yeah,
who's gonna be the guy? Do you guys get together
and decide who's the guy who doesn't vote him on
the first talent? I wouldn't want to be that guy
at today's age. Man, it might be different forty years

(01:43:58):
ago before social media, but you don't want to be
the lone wolf now I think it should be. But
we'll see. But then the bigger issues now we're Kurt
Schilling and Larry Walker, whether they can get over they're
gonna be right at that number, right around it, above
or below, I don't know, but it's gonna be close.
You know, I want to I want The last thing
I wanted to ask you about was like, look, we

(01:44:19):
clearly don't have an appetite for cheating. There have been
steroid guys that have gotten in. So but does this
reinvigorate a discussion about keeping the steroid guys the Bonds
is out of the Hall of Fame? Or has our
you know, has our stance lessened as the years have
gone by. Yeah, well that debate. I don't think it's

(01:44:40):
gonna go on forever, right um, but I think I
think the stigma, if you will, have lessoned over time.
We have people now voting on the Hall of Fame, Doug.
And this is not a criticism, just the fact who
did not cover baseball. And basically we're in junior high
school or middle school when it was the Wild West

(01:45:01):
in baseball, when people were getting unfair, unfair advantages, sticking
a needle in there. But when they knew it was
the wrong thing to do, it's easy for them to
dismiss it. They think everybody was doing it. It was not.
It was not a victimless crime, and not everybody was
doing it, and employers who didn't do it played at
a disadvantage. So the debate's not going away, but I
think the stigma of it does lessen over time. Yeah,

(01:45:23):
it's fascinating. I agree with you. If your stances that
it was cheating and that it wasn't a victimless crime,
it's it's it is a lot there is. The parallels
to the signs dealing is that if no one, if
they didn't think they were doing the wrong thing at
the time, then why not step up and say, hey,
yeah I did it. It's because they all everyone knows
there's a right way and a wrong way, and you

(01:45:44):
you do, in fact cross a line, um bingo. And
it's also it makes you think of all those pictures today,
were thinking did the Astros have my signs when they
knocked me around for four runs and they lost that game? Yeah? Yeah, No,
it's a I mean, I'm mean, how would you how'd
you like to be your Clinton Kershaw? How'd you like
to be Clinton Kershaw? Like it didn't do that? As

(01:46:05):
the biggest example, he's pitching Game five in Houston. He's
ready to bring the Dodgers to win one game of
winning the World Series for the first time since eight
He's got a four nothing lead, uh, and then Corea
hits a double, and then Gariel hits a home run,
and then you know, all of a sudden, he's down
six four. He got knocked around the ballpark, gave up

(01:46:26):
six runs. Does he not think today what the heck
was going on? Because we know, we don't know what pitches,
but we knew they had a system in place during
that postseason. And then of course, you know they're starting
pitcher in Game seven. You know it was al he's
tipping pitches? Is he tipping pitches or did they just
know the signs? And that's that's that's that's why it
was as such. But but for for Kershaw, a guy
who's whose career is going to forever be stained by

(01:46:50):
even this, you know, by you know, this year obviously
was with the Nationals um but by the Houston Astros
and the inability to bring home that World Series for
the first time in thirty years. You just that that's
what leaves the really bad taste in people's mouth, and
you start to understand on a bigger picture, how the
steroid thing. It's how does it affect all of these

(01:47:11):
other players that won't aren't even considered Hall of famers.
I couldn't break through, couldn't get the big contract because
other guys, other guys with sheet great stuff. Tom, thanks
so much for joining us. It's always insightful to have
you on and we appreciate it. Yeah, always a pleasure.
Thanks for having me man, all right, that's a great
time for Ducci joining us in The Doug Gottlieb Show,
part of Major League Baseball Networks and will be Networks
Hall of Fame coverage Tuesday, January. Big news in college

(01:47:34):
football on a big departure to the NFL. But it's
not a player, it's next. Be sure to catch the
pm Easter noon Pacific. The Press Dann buy what he got, Doug,

(01:47:55):
We got big news from college football. It was twenty
four hours ago that Joe Brady was getting ready to
take on the Clemson Tigers in the National Championship Game.
Now the l s U passing coordinator is figuring out
a new move. He is moving to the NFL. Adam
Schefter of ESPN reporting Brady will join Matt Rules staff
of the Carolina Panthers. That's massive, a big loss for L.

(01:48:20):
S U because we've seen what that offense looks without him,
And it does call in a question, you know, like
what will L s you do next? You know, you
know now becomes a copy of a copy at both
quarterback in terms of play calling. I think the bigger
question is you know what happens at L s U
than the fact that Matt Rule putting together a really
good staff. Longtime Charger Santa Antonio Gates announced his retirement

(01:48:41):
today after sixteen seasons. Ex it, he didn't play this year,
right correct, didn't play in and and then he barely
played last year. Of course he was a fill in
for Hunter Henry, great player, Hall of Famer. I guess
the only thing is does anybody hold against him the
p D suspension lane in his career? Think the answer
is no, because I forgot about it, to be honest

(01:49:03):
with you. It leaves the game with one sixteen touchdown catches,
seventh all time, the most by any type end in
NFL history. So there's only six receivers that have more
touchdown receptions in Antonio Gates, a colleague of ours here
at Fox Sports Radio at Nick Wright, who does work
on the weekends here at fs are made this brought

(01:49:23):
this up, saying, is Gates on the mount Rushmore of Chargers,
And I'm curious, Doug would Antonio Gates make the mount
Rushmore of the of the Chargers franchise? Dan foutsa Thominson
Rivers Rivers? Uh? And then now Kellen Winslow, Oh, you

(01:49:47):
would putting him over Junior say or Junior say out?
I mean yes, can you say I'm more impactful? Yeah.
Former NFL wide receiver Chad Johnson says he's trying out
to be a kicker in the XFL. Okay, okay, okay, great, thanks.
I saw some of the video. It was kind of comical.
Doesn't mean he can't kick, but I don't know. Yeah,

(01:50:10):
I mean for the XFL, be fine, there's enough good kickers.
I don't think he'll make it. I would tune in
to see him kick, Yes, absolutely, I'll tune in to
watch because I like watching football. Yeah. Yeah, I know
I probably shouldn't have said that, but I'm just not
a big fan of spring football. After eighteen seasons in Bermond, Illinois.

(01:50:30):
The Chicago Bears will move their training camp to the
team's headquarters at Hallis Hall and Lake Forest, Illinois. Yeah.
So those, uh, those training camps away from home becoming
fewer and fewer in the National Football League. Um, yeah,
that's interesting that. I mean that, that's the that's with
all these There was something kind of cool to it.

(01:50:52):
But now the facilities are so much better. You know,
the NFL has finally gotten with the college football plan,
which is like, build a great facility for everyday practice
is to be good, and why would I go to
some college plus guys think they're gonna get hurt too.
Lakers forward Anthony Davis remains day to day with a
sore back, still needs to take part in contact drills
and practice before being cleared to play No Rondo tomorrow

(01:51:13):
for the Lakers against the Magic. He is a fractured finger.
He broke a finger, finger, really really long finger. I
find it interesting though, that Anthony Davis is hurt, but
he flew all the way to Green Bay to Patrick's game,
and then Lebron Lebron James is sick and then he
hops up on stage at a concert like something tells
me they're load managing. They just don't want to say

(01:51:34):
load managing because that's a that's a bad term l
A times as. USC has fired three senior officials in
its athletic department because of their connection to that admission scandal. Yeah, yeah,
I think there's that, and I also think there's a
new a D. So everybody's getting fired USC. We just
PGA Tours initiated a piece of play policy that aimles

(01:51:55):
to put an end to slow play. The new rules
will include a list of players who bad times on
a week to be week basis. That list, though, will
not be made public. We all know who they are,
right Yeah, Ben Crane like Ben Crane to today, Junior
Bryson Deshambo hit the ball. Jason Day's nickname is Jason

(01:52:18):
all Day, all day. Some of those are nah, nah,
takes too long. The Westwood nobody, Nobody finds a way
to go from first to third or fourth in a
major like Lee Westwood. Oh man, that's harsh. He'll be
at the Masters this year though. In the in the

(01:52:38):
Bronx To councilwomen have proposed legislation. Okay, we didn't need
that sound effect, John Ramos, legislation to name part of
East one and sixty one Street to Jeter Streets. Yes,
near Yankee Stadium. Jeter Street, Doug would intersect with Rivera
Avenue where where you aren't allowed to walk. Uh, thank you,

(01:53:02):
please love it. No walking aloud on Rivera Avenue. No
walking aloud, and you can only go at one speed. Right,
but you can cut whenever you want. You can cut
whatever you want. Only cut. You'd only cut in the street. Back,
get out there and pressed. That was the press. Um yeah,
I mean like, look, they the biggest strikes in the

(01:53:24):
history of Major League Baseball, right, I mean, which is
a fifteen or thirty? John a thirty fifteen? I have
no idea how much time's left? Did the clock skip
on you? Is that what happened? Man? Daniel Jeremiah joins
us tomorrow's uh, Solomon Wilcox joints us tomorrow. We'll start
to get ready for it this weekend's games as maybe thirty,

(01:53:47):
maybe ten. Who knows. This show may go on for
an eternity. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show. Straight at Vegas
is next on Fox Sports Radio.

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