Best of the Doug Gottlieb Show: 01/24/2020

Dan Beyer and Jonas Knox fill in for Doug Gottlieb and discuss Eli Manning’s retirement from the NFL and speak with 10-year NBA veteran Ryan Hollins about the problematic treatment that the organization has provided Kawhi Leonard. Also, Jonas and Dan predict which NFC teams won’t return to the playoffs next season and preview Super Bowl LIV between the Chiefs and 49ers! 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the best of the dun Got Leap Show
on Fox Sports Radio. We have just seen the end
of Eli Manning as an NFL player. Jonas, Yeah, he
took one last snap and was tackled by a tackling
sled out at near Giants complex and Dan it is
all over. Eli Manning's career has come to an end.
Announcing announcing his retirement today the the long time Giants quarterback.

(00:27):
The topics of conversation have been debated over the last
seventy two hours about where Eli Manning is going to
end up in his career and will he end up
in the Hall of Fame? What will Eli Manning's legacy
be in the National Football I have a new question
I want to throw to you. All right, this has
not been heard anywhere on sports radio. Are you ready?

(00:48):
Let's hear it is Eli Hall of Famer. Let's put
that up as a pole question, guys, Let's get the
votes in. Let's weigh our thoughts on is Line Manning
good enough for Cannon? Well, Eli Manning was good enough
for New York. We know that for sure. And he
spoke about his time in New York earlier today when

(01:08):
he officially announced his retirement. For most of my life
people have called me easy. Believe me, there's nothing easy
about today. Well, and Tamara always said, once a giant,
always a giant. For me, it's only a giant there,
it is there, it is of course. Yeah. By the way,
that'll be appearing on the back of a no Fear

(01:29):
shirt in the next couple of months. Here is Eli
Manning will capitalize on that, much like that memorabilia fraud. Sorry, Dan, Sorry,
my it's slipped. I didn't mean to say all that.
Um felt a little forced for me, a little uh,
you know, we're trying to set things up afterwards. But
you know that's me being nippicky and wanting to be
negative over Eli Mannings retirement. He did great things for

(01:49):
New York one huge games, especially when you factor in
the Boston New York rivalry, to win those two Super
Bowls against Tom Brady against the New England Patriots, and
kind of, you know, reignite that whole conversation. He had
a great career, and I would say a career he
got them as much as he possibly could out of

(02:10):
I don't I don't think he ever wanted to play
anywhere else. I think this was it. Yeah, And I
think that the Giants are one of and I'm just
gonna say a handful of teams because they don't have
the exact number, but it is a franchise and organization
in the National Football League that really, you look, it
looks different than the others. Meaning if you're a Giant,
if you're a Cowboy, if you're a Pittsburgh Steeleringer. Not

(02:34):
not necessarily the route I was gonna go with that,
but there is there's a lot of cash with being
on those teams, and then you put the city in
front of it and being in New York, and that's
that's what I think has all gotten us to this point.
I mean, honestly, realistically, Jonas, if he was a Pittsburgh Steeler,
he would be in the Hall of Fame already because

(02:55):
we put Steelers in with zero credibility just they're a Steeler.
Look at what they did. This is oh yeah, no,
he's a Steeler. He's a Steeler. He's obviously a Hall
of Fame candidate. There is no doubt about that. He's
a Steeler. The latest example, Bill Kawer, Okay, Bill Kawer

(03:16):
gets into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. By the way,
Mike Tomlin's career better than Bill, and people are wondering,
it's Mike Tomlin, even a good coach. I should even
Stiger out of the Pittsburgh series. Yet Bill Kawer is
in the Hall of Fame now, So if you're a
Steeler like you get you get the free pass. The
Eli conundrum is this, and it's not about Hall of Fame.

(03:37):
It's really just about who Eli is and how we
view him as a quarterback is it's the Giant part
of it and it's the New York part of it
as well. Like it's different because not all media's on
your side of New York. There are some organizations, some
cities in the NFL where maybe one sided media. It's
difficult to criticize guys in Green Bay, let's just be honest,
it is. But in New York you can have the

(03:59):
me because you have a backing and you have a
fan base that is actually, uh may not be fans
of the players on their teams. They may want change,
and that's what that's what makes Eli situation of my
mind so unique when we look at him, not only
just Hall of Fame, but just where he is in
the National Football League. Now, let me ask you, because
there there are the record books that are out there,
because I do want to continue with the ELI conversation,

(04:20):
but you've got my mind wandering here, all right. There
are the record books out there, and then there's the
d b r B, the Dan Buyer record Book. In
the Dan Buyer Record Book, does Bill cow Or have
a Super Bowl ring as a coach? Shouldn't just the
stab because and and and I would say that, and

(04:40):
the m v P went to was it Heinzwarg got
the m v P. If I'm not was taken. But
really the officiating crew probably should have got should have
been out there and accepted the Super Bowl VP, super
Bowl forty, oh my goodness. And again the d b
r B will be released in a later date, but
I just wanted to establish that. Yeah, you and I've
talked about Jerome Bettis getting into the Hall of Fame.

(05:02):
I have no problem with Jerome Betis being a Hall
of Famer, but the the ease that he went in
and of how one dimensional that that that running that
that he was as a running back. He wasn't even
a goal line back, you know, like where like guys
maybe have made their hay of of scoring and at
the goal line, but that wasn't the case. Like I just,
I've said this I think a hundred times with you,

(05:24):
where I just I love the guys like Ricky Waters
and work done in Tikey Barber, guys who like did
different things. Funny because Tiki Barber in that same New
York media, you know, but he's not the quarterback of
the New York Giants, where you think there would be
more of a push. But with Eli there's just so
much more of a conversation around it. Edrian James was
a better running back than Jerome Bettle. Oh yeah, yeah,

(05:45):
that not even close. But it's it's weird, how't we
do this? Certain guys get preferential treatment. Put Zach Thomas's
numbers next to Brian or Lackers, they're almost identical. But
certain guys get get preferential treatment. Um on the on
the subject of Eli Manning, so you are okay if
he gets in the Hall of Fame. You don't think
it's egregious, you think he deserves to go in. You're
gonna be yeah, yeah, I'm fine with it. If his name,

(06:06):
if his last name wasn't Manning. All right, if he
wasn't a Manning, would it be more difficult or easier
to make the case for him being a Hall of Famer.
I think it would be more difficult. I don't think
that he's I don't think he's in the shadow of Peyton.
I think that he's along the ride Peyton. It feels

(06:28):
like there is sort of a if you were to
stack his numbers up and say, well, he's got a
couple of super Bowls, and he's this and that. I
think the most impressive thing about him is his durability.
He hasn't you know, he never missed a start, and
so I give him credit for that. But if you look,
if you just took his record and you replaced his
last name with Smith or or uh, just a random

(06:49):
name Ramos, you know, like if it was Eli Ramos,
Like if if that, if that were the quarterback for
the Giants. He's got two super Bowls, but was mediocre
for majority of the time in his career through a
bunch of interns, sceptions, and every other time his team
got to the postseason, they lost, they were one and done.
Outside of those two super Bowl runs, I think the
conversation would be much more difficult than it is. That

(07:11):
he's a Manning and the fact that he's a Manning
and he's got two Super Bowls, I think he gets
in when you draft Eli Manning number one overall, and
if you're a New York Giants fan, after he you know,
makes his way out of San Diego and and into
the Big Apple. If you were a Giants fan and
you were told this guy here is going to bring
you two super Bowl wins, do you take it? Every
single NFL fan in the world would, and and when

(07:33):
you look at at the Super Bowl runs, you will
hear about their defensive line. You will hear about them
stopping the Patriots in super Bowl forty two. You will
hear about the different defensive line getting after Tom Brady
and super Bowl forty six. But think of the plays
that were made during those times. Think about the helmet
catch and Eli s scramble, think about the throat to

(07:53):
Manning ham It's one of the one of the best
throws I've ever seen. Yeah. Yeah, So so it's like
we may want to rain on his per aid of
saying like, well, you know, he didn't do much in
those games, or they were defensive battles when the plays
actually had to be made. He ended up making those plays.
And that's really all that you ever wanted, you know.
I I watched Russell Wilson weekly. I probably seen every

(08:15):
professional snap that that he's had or darn near. And
when you watch him play, aren't you just saying, you
know what, let's just get this game to a point
where if the balls in Russell Wilson's hands, let's let
him make a play. I think you could say the
same with Eli Manning. Yeah. Um, and and in those
big time moments, and look, those are moments and because
they were on the biggest stage and he made the

(08:37):
throw to Mario Manning him is a one percent throw.
One percent of the population can make that throw. That's
it there, there is, there is no other way to
put it. Um. The David Tyree was such a crazy scramble. Look,
if it were nowadays, they probably would have ruled him
in the grass and they would have you know, they
didn't want to get hurt and all that stuff. But
he stayed alive in the play, he made a throw.

(08:57):
The game was crazy, and then he threw the touchdown.
Asked to Plexico burr'st to seal it. So he made
the biggest plays one road games in Lambeau, both Super
Bowl runs. The first one was that frozen game. Uh,
in which and which shouldn't have even come down to that,
but there were a bunch of was it uh? Lawrence
Times was the kicker for the Giants. Why don't I

(09:18):
gotta get a life? But he missed some kicks to
try and seal the game earlier, so they won on
the road. He won big games in those playoffs. But
the naysayers are going to point to, yeah, well every
other time he got to the postseason, I mean he lost,
was one and done. So I just wonder if his
last name kind of pushes him over the edge towards Yes,

(09:40):
he's a Hall of Famer. And like I said, if
you were to replace his name and we're just pulling
that Kinsel save his last name was Kinsell, uh, if
you if you replace Manning with Kinsel, is he still
I think it's more of him being a giant, him
being in New York and him winning those those Super
Bowls and going on those runs. He's also top ten
in yards and in in in today's the NFL. You're

(10:00):
gonna have you're gonna have an NFL top ten of
you know, quarterbacks within the last fifteen years. It's just
going to happen because of where the league's going. But
it's not like he's thirty five in yards passing the interceptions.
I know. Like the thing that I admired actually said
this Wednesday when when we were at Tory Pines for
the Farmer's Insurance Open Odell Beckham Jr. Doesn't have the

(10:24):
start of his career if Eli isn't the quarterback that
he is. ELI didn't care if you lead the National
Football League and interceptions uh for one season, don't you
think that would be something that would stick in your
mind and make you change the way your play. Screw that,
I'm gonna do it two more time. Yeah, see how
you like it? Let's this is this is how we're going.
This is what we're doing. Now. You see Odell Beckham Jr.

(10:47):
Playing with a quarterback in Baker Mayfield where all eyes
are on him and he's got a peace twenty different people,
and how has that turned out? Eli Man, who was
actually in the same situation, was like, I don't care,
let's just throw it. This is how we're gonna do it.
I mean, how about the fact though, that if you're
Geno Smith, don't you feel good about your career now
because you can say, Hey, that guy's a Hall of famer.
They benched his ass to start me. How about that?

(11:09):
That's called the one up. That's called a one up,
Gino Smith. Everybody flexing on on Eli Manning? All right,
so again we have established so so Eli Manning is
a Hall of Famer Dan, So that means we no
longer have to have the conversations about it on sports right,
Thank goodness. Glen did Glen did chime in on the
coward thing. He says, uh, yeah, Tomlin's career isn't currently
better than Cowards at this point? Cowur better playoff record? Better?

(11:33):
Are more division titles in two times Coach of the
Year awards, Coach of the year. Yeah, well, in that case,
I guess Matt Naggie is halfway there. Oh my gosh,
watch out, everybody, Matt Naggie is a Hall of Famer
now all of a sudden. Come on, man, that's the
problem though. If you talk about the Steelers, immediately the
rabbit ears go up and you've got to hear that.
You got to hear the feedback, Dan, You're got to

(11:54):
get the pushback. Well, this this is it actually proves
my point where the difference in playoff record does have
a better winning percentage. But they both went to a
Super Bowl. Uh in one one. They both went to
a Super Bowl and lost one. You would think the
way that we hear Mike Tomlin being talked about in
the National Football League weekend and week out prior to

(12:15):
the season, where it was like, oh, wow, he's actually
a good coach. Look at what he's done with nothing
to actually get this team in the playoff hunt, where
Mike Tomlin is on the verge of does he come
back yet? Bill Cower is in Campton. But they're not
that far apart. Like that's that's the whole point of it.
Like if you may think Howard is a little bit
better than Tomlin, we may say that Tomlin's numbers in

(12:35):
a certain aspect are better than Cowards. The point is
they're very very close. And we look at one coach
one way, and we look at one coach the other.
That's and and let's just get down to the bottom
of it. Uh. And since everybody else is afraid to
say it, you know why people prefer Bill cow over
Mike Tomlin. I mean, I'll say it, nobody else to
have this conversation. It's very clear, Dan and I don't
mean to bring up appearance. I don't mean to bring
up appearance and bring up this superficial stuff. But he's

(12:59):
got a must. Be sure to catch live editions of
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Sports Radio. Hey Ryan, goot to catch up with the
How are you do we have Ryan? Yeah? There is?

(13:20):
Hey Ryan, Hey, how you guys doing man? Thanks for
having me the great, great to have you on. Let's sell.
Let's set on with apparent drama with the Los Angeles Clippers,
a report from The Athletic saying that some of the
Clippers players aren't taking too kindly to some of the
preferential treatment given to Kauai Leonard and Paul George. My
question to you is should they have any say in

(13:43):
the preferential treatment of Kawhi Leonard and Paul George? For
the sake of the Clippers this season. Absolutely, you're only
as good as your weakest link. And I'm not saying
that any of the guys that have frustrations are weak links.
But when you feel like one players above the team
you haven't had necessarily that before frustrations set in. They

(14:06):
can and I do get it, um from a player's standpoint,
but from a coaching an organizational standpoint, you know what
Kawuhi Leonard and Paul George are capable of. You know,
those are two players that the reason that the Clippers
are favorance for a championship is because of what they do. Um.
I don't know that personally. I haven't heard that from

(14:27):
any other coaches or any of the players on that
staff that it is a big, major problem that Kawuhi
Leonards is obviously getting Kauai treatment. I don't know why
that should surprise anybody from a coaching staff or from
the player's standpoint, but I do absolutely understand where the
frustrations can set in because of it. Pat Beverley and

(14:47):
Loew Williams have already spoken out on Twitter and called
it fake news. And you just sort of denied the
report that was out there from the athletic Do you
believe that it's true? I know you haven't heard anything,
but would you be surprised if something like that was
true in a doc Rivers locker room. I can see
from a player at standpoint where that those questions could

(15:08):
be raised. Uh. For instance, if Kauai is missing an
assignment defensively and he doesn't get yelled at, and another
players being yelled at, frustrations can and will set in.
Is that happening? I don't know. I can't I can't speak.
I'm not necessarily in that locker room. And the Clippers
didn't have that. It was, you know, one man. Everybody

(15:31):
essentially was one last year. So I can understand where
there's a big change in culture that that could be
very very frustrating for a player. I'm not quoting that
that's happening. I'm just saying I do understand where that
could that could uh, you know, frustrate players. All right,
so we'll run with that. Fox Sports Traders Twitter account.
Ryan Holland says the Clippers hate each other, all right,

(15:54):
just starting up a little bit event. Ryan Hollands joining
us here on the Doug Gottlib Show he's Jonas Knocks.
I'm Dan Buyer. How did Dirk handle things as the
guy in Dallas when you played with him? Well, Dirk
was amazing. He did everything that everybody else did. But
you have to understand it was a very veteran squad

(16:15):
with Dirk Naviski. You had Jason Kidd, Jason Terry, who
was an All Star of his own before he came
over there. So there's a number there's a number of
veterans that were already there. Kawai Leonard already from the
beginning of the season. You knew how important he was
in any franchise that he went to. Uh, he was

(16:35):
even to an extent, and you know, I'm not sure
which side was right that he wanted a private plane
and all these add ons. And I'm not mad at Kauai.
The man delivered a championship that we hadn't seen. So
I do understand it from both ends. Um, I can't
quote that that is happening. And you have to understand

(16:56):
what the Clippers organization. They're so hush hushing out everything
that we almost have to search and find something to
be happening. Kawaid Leonard gives you nothing. The Lakers, the
Clippers organization really gives you nothing. So we've got to
really search and find something. Is there somebody frustrated that
maybe Kauai doesn't have you know, doesn't have to practice

(17:19):
or doesn't have to do things out of the players don't. Probably,
But at the end of the day, if you're winning,
that's just a part of it. And I don't think
it's big enough where it's an actual issue. We just
don't have anything going on from the Clippers. Ryan, would
you be surprised if you found out it was somebody
from the Lakers camp that leaked this sort of report
to try and cause problems. I wouldn't say so. Man.

(17:40):
You have to understand how you know. They make it
sound so close and then we say our source close
to the Listen. Man, you have family members who can
speak out, you have agents, uh, you have assistant coaches,
you have a lot of people, I mean probably over
a hundred or so that are close to a Clippers
or any type of organization. So we don't know. If

(18:01):
you don't know the source, you don't know exactly where
it's coming from. It can't necessarily to be founded unless
you're hearing this over and over and over again. Uh,
it's not really. I would say it calls for concerns.
Ryan Holland shirting us here on Fox Sports Radio. Find
him on Twitter at the Ryan Hollins. So. NBA All
Star starters were announced yesterday. Do you have any issue

(18:22):
with with fans voting and the input that they have.
I know there was a lot about, you know, Alex
Caruso getting a bunch of votes from the fans, Taco
fall the same thing. Is there anything wrong with the
process that we have to develop or or to the side,
who are NBA All Star Starters are? I don't as
a fan, they deserve to have a voice, and their
voice was heard. Now, ultimately, this didn't take somebody out

(18:45):
of the author game. Imagine a Tray Young for some instance,
doesn't make his first offer game and he's having a
monster year because Alex Caruso gets into the game. No
disrespect to Alex Caruso or Taco or those guys, but
they will tell you themselves they don't want that type
of spotlight. But I absolutely love that the fans voices
are heard. I think it's something that's long overdue and

(19:09):
it's a really special situation that we're seeing here, and
it comes with it at a good talking note. And
these guys actually aren't making the game. So I don't
see any real legitimate plus right here that should or
shouldn't be. Ryan Hollins, if you could change one thing
about the All Star voting or All Star Weekend in
itself would be if I could change anything, um, I

(19:34):
would say that I want to see I don't want
to say I would force maybe a wrong word, but
I would love to find a way to incentivize guys
like the Lebron james Is, the John Morants this year
who just turned down the Dunk Contest to go out
and compete or something that would incentivize them and say, hey, guys,
do you want to see it? Still? I remember growing
up and it was the highlight on my my NBA,

(19:56):
my young NBA experience to see Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan's,
Dominique Wilkins, those guys compete in the Dunk Contest. I
believe that's what's really missing. It's not just the Dunk
Contest with the stars and the Dunk Contest. Yeah, Like,
when's the last time we had two Hall of Famers
go head to head in the dunk contest, like Dominique
and Jordan's like, When's like, when's the last time that happened.
I mean it's been admitted. I have to I have

(20:17):
to really think back and even just you know, Kobe Bryant,
you know, take the Kobe Bryant pass. Kobe gave us
a year the dunk contest and then he was out
right not that big of a deal. You know, he
gave us what we wanted. But I do understand where
it's like, you don't want to get hurt in the
contest dunk contest, and you have a bad showing, You're
gonna hear about it on social media. So something that
can make it friendly for these guys going and compete.

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And I don't really understand why John Rent wouldn't be
in it. I would think that this would be a
huge spotlight, especially playing over in Memphis, to put him,
uh put him ahead. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you.
I also think there's a bit of a double standard
because we get up in arms about load management and
and and guys dealing with injuries. Yet they're like, well,
I don't want to I don't want to participate. Not

(21:02):
that John Morant is missing games, but the point of
I don't want to mess anything up for the regular season, Well,
when does that ever happen? Like when is you know,
Vince Carter was the last big name. When Jonas brought
up the point of that, I can remember, like, you know,
Superstar doing it, but I don't remember anybody going into
a slump like they're doing home run derbes, you know,
like that just just seems like a double standard. I

(21:22):
I'm right along there with your Ryan Hollins. Ryan, we
appreciate the time. We know it's tight, but uh, I'm
so glad that you could come on with us talk
some hoop and clear things up and have a great weekend. Hey, guys,
you found amazing man. Thanks for having me talk, so
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(21:43):
Radio app Earlier in the program, we spoke with Ryan
Hollins Tenure NBA vats, and the first topic of conversation
came up all the heroes of this athletic piece, Jonah
saying that some of the Los Angeles Clippers Excuse me,
that's incorrect because They're not the Los Angeles Clippers, they
are the l A Clippers. Some of the l A
Clippers were not happy with the preferential treatment being given

(22:05):
to Kauai Leonard and Paul George. Before we get into
what the athletic had to say about the situation, here
was Ryan Hollins's take about what happened or what could
be going on with the Clippers. You're only as good
as your weakest link. When you feel like one player
is above the team and you haven't had necessarily that
before frustration set in. And I do get it from

(22:30):
a player's standpoint, but from a coaching an organizational standpoint,
you know what Kawhi Leonard and Paul George are capable of.
I don't know that personally. I haven't heard that from
any other coaches or any of the players on that
staff that it is a big, major problem that Kawhi
Leonards is obviously getting Kauai treatment. I don't know why
that should surprise anybody from the coaching staff or from

(22:52):
the player's standpoint, but I do absolutely understand where the
frustrations can set in because of it. I I'm sorry
if if you know, if Jerome Robinson is not happy.
Patrick Patterson's not happy, Michael Cage. I mean, all all
the current Clippers like that's that's that's that's the least
of the least of our worries. But I don't think well,

(23:15):
what Ryan Hollins was saying was that it was those
guys of the weakest link Jonas. Because I want to
play some audio from and a little bit. Mantras Harrold
spoke out a couple of weeks ago about this and
about the Clippers, and he actually got into some hot
water with with Doc Rivers because Doc Rivers addressed Mantras

(23:35):
Harold saying this in the early part of January about
the Clippers. We're not a great team. I think one
thing that's needles. We're not a great team. We just
became together this year. We have two players that haven't
never been a part of this team. Last year. We
had a player that wanna NBA Championship with a whole
another team last year. So we're not a great team.
That's that's the number one right there. I think that's

(23:57):
what we need to realize and wake up where team
that still has to figure out things that we need
to do to win night in and night. And now
the reason I just wanted all those things laid out, Jones,
is we could see all the pieces. We could see
all the evidence, and what's really happening here. You've got
two new guys coming in, Paul George and Kawai Leonard,
who are superstars in the NBA. But you remember this
Clippers team from last year that people left for dead.

(24:19):
They thought that they were trading away Tobias Harris to
get into the lottery and then we're gonna play anymore.
But no, they stuck together behind Lou Williams, behind Montrez Harrold,
behind Landry Shamman who was brought over on that Tobias
Harris deal, and they made a push and they made
the playoffs, and they built this foundation that then allowed
them to bring in Kauai Leonard and Paul George to
make it a viable place to be. And now those

(24:41):
players are the ones who aren't happy. And that's what's
happened here. And that's what's happened is the guys last
year who who fought and we're going after it for
the Clippers now maybe speaking out a little bit or
may not be happy about it. That's where the friction
we see. It's not at the end of the bench.
It's actually with the first guy off the bench, of
the second eye off the bench, or a guy in
the starting lineup that's not happy with what's going on

(25:03):
with the club. We saw this happening in Boston when
Kyrie Irving came back and the Celtics had made that
run to the Eastern Conference finals. They were, you know,
a couple of baskets away from going to the finals
without Kyrie Irving. And when Kyrie Irving came back and
started bossing those guys around and telling them what to do,
they sort of pushed back and said, hold on a second,
we got all the way nearly to the NBA Finals

(25:24):
without you, and you're gonna come in and tell us
what the deal is. That situation, I think is different
with this one. That's why I don't buy this report
at all. I don't. I don't think there's any validity
to it because I don't think Paul George and Kawhi
Leonard come off like that. I don't. I don't think
they've walked in trying to tell everybody else what to do.
So I find it hard to believe that that players

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are really having an issue with with these guys, and
even if they are look at even if let's say
the report is true, tough balls, I mean, I mean,
what do you want to do? You want to win
titles or you just want to be good enough to
win two games in the postseason. I agree with the
latter part of that, because he was tough balls in Toronto.
I mean, you did Kauai got his way. They tried
to do everything that they possibly could to appease him,

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and not only do that last year, but then to
try to keep him in Toronto. I mean, there's no
bones about it. I got to do what he wanted
to do last year in Toronto and we saw them
reap the benefits of that. And maybe that's something that
the Clippers would say, but I I just agree with
you in the point of that this isn't a story.
Even though some of the Clipper players have come out
and said something. For what Mantres Harrold said like that

(26:28):
sounds like what Mantres Harrold said at the beginning of January,
sounds like something that Lebron James would say. We're not
a good team right now. We've gotta We've got to
bring stuff together. Mantras. Harrold's role on that team is
actually of a veteran compared to for for your tenure
on the Clippers, compared to Paul George and Kawhi Leonard.
So he's the one that is speaking up. He's also

(26:49):
the one that's speaking up because Kawhi Leonar and Paul
George don't say anything. And and that's the issue that
I've see is I do see some some friction and
and how the Clippers deal with stuff because it is
a guy like Montrese Harrod who all of a sudden
becomes the speaking point of this team and maybe saying
the things that that aren't cool with everybody else. But
he's the only one that speaks. And that's why I think.

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I think that this is an issue and something that
they're gonna have to figure out because Kauahi Leonard apparently
so far up at leastuntil that point, hadn't been that
vocal with the team. Yeah, I I don't I didn't
find anything that Montrese Harrold said that was wrong. I
don't know why. And you mentioned Doc Rivers had to
talk to him about it. I I don't know what Doc
Rivers would have to talk to him about. I don't
know what. There's nothing wrong with saying we're not a
great team. They've got high expectations. People on that roster

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and in that organization have talked about it well well,
Doc Rivers called out, reported court of the Athletic called out.
Members are called out Montrose Harrold in front of members
of the Clippers team saying like we can't have that
stuff because Doc has trying to keep everything inside. But
I also think what Doc is doing is saying, look,
Hawai Leonard, look Paul George, I got your back. I
don't want this guy, you know, speaking up either. But

(27:53):
it sounds like it's also then play cating to them
and in having their way with the Clippers. I agree
with you, if you bring those guys in, they should
have preferential treatment. But some of the stuff those guys
were complaining about of the preferential treatment where I wanted
practice canceled. So it was canceled. You know what are
we complaining about here? Like because they wanted to go

(28:14):
in and work grind And it just seems to be
there seems to be maybe two different messages going on
with with the Clippers at this point, despite the success
that they've had. I I agree with you with the
overall sense that just do you think that this is real?
I think that there was some substance. I think this
is planned by the Lakers' I think somebody from the
Lakers planet. You know, it was alluded into the piece
as well. And I think it actually reflects well on

(28:35):
Lebron because Lebron is the biggest superstar. As Ryan Holland's about,
you know what it was like for Dirk Navitsky and
to play with Derek, he said, well, you know, Dirk
was Dirk, but there's also other veterans there. Lebron has
actually done that with his teams that he's had in
the NBA, specifically with the Calves. I remember the World
Series games in Cleveland. It's not just Lebron sitting up
in the booth with you know, the Indian's owner or whoever.

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It's Lebron and his teammates. They go to Ohio State
football games and Kevin Love would be there, and Channing
Fry and Richard Jefferson and everybody is like a part
of the group. So everyone knows that that Lebron is
the guy, but they're cool with it because Lebron's cool
with you and he and he he fosters that atmosphere.
I don't think Kawai Leonard and Paul George are doing
that with the Clippers, which is actually a tip of

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the cap to Lebron and the Lakers. While he may
want to trade guys in and out of town the
core that he wants, at least he makes them feel
like like they're worthy and that they want to be there,
and he's one of them. I just don't think that's
Paul George and Kauai's personality. I don't think they're guys
that are gonna be raw raw, let's rally and and
get everybody together type of dudes. I just that doesn't
seem to be their personalities, which is why they always

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felt more like Clippers than they than they did Lakers.
And look, Doc Rivers knows this. He he understands the game.
Doc Rivers coached in the NBA for a long time
and wasn't able to really win it. If I'm not mistaken,
he lost almost was it in Orlando? He didn't get
out of the first round. And think that was a
Tracy McGrady knock on Tracy McGrady. Doc Rivers was the

(30:03):
coach there. Then he went to Boston. They were bad
for a while, and then he got Superstars and all
of a sudden, his job got a lot easier. I
don't think Doc Rivers gives a crap who on the
lower tier on that roster has an issue. He sees
the big picture. He realizes the reason they're making these
concessions to Kawhi Leonard is because they've got goals, and

(30:23):
their goals are to go win an NBA championship. And
if it means that these guys gotta pout a little bit,
if this story is true, then they gotta pout a
little bit. I think it's worth the sacrifice. I think
they're gonna have to Kenny Loggins this and meet me halfway.
I think Harrel is gonna have to do some Alright,
we get this, we get that, and Kawhi Leonard is
going to have to start speaking up and doing more
in the athletic Peace did say that maybe he's done

(30:44):
a little bit more in the film rooms. But this
could this could be an example of maybe they're the
I don't want to say slow star because the third
in the Western Conference, but this could be a reason
of why maybe things just weren't as perfect as you
thought that this marriage was going to be. I do
you think it is something to watch for. But with
the NBA, all that matters is what happens in April,
and if they're on the same page in April, then

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they should be be sure to catch live editions of
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noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app Let's do this. Let's be the first to
talk about Super Bowl. Let's take a real look ahead,
because I think that it is fitting at this time.
All next week is gonna be about the Chiefs and Niners.

(31:27):
It's gonna be about Andy Reid, it's gonna be about
Kyle Shanahan, it's gonna be about Patrick Mahomes, it's gonna
be about Nick Bosa. It's gonna be allowed all of
those guys. However, this also allows us the opportunity to
still reach back to what had happened this past weekend
in the NFL playoffs and a trend that we have
seen over the last couple of years. And I'll just

(31:48):
use the the Fox music here to supplement some information
that that I'm going to give you, and it's stuff
that I think a lot of us know. But there's
a lot of turnover in the NFC when it comes
to the playoffs. In past season, we saw three new
teams make the playoffs. That was the forty Niners, Packers,
and Vikings from the previous year. The holdovers were Seattle,
New Orleans and Philly. Well, the year prior to that,

(32:10):
there are also three new teams that made the playoffs.
It was Seattle, Chicago, and Dallas, with the holdovers being
the Rams, New Orleans and Philadelphia. And then in the
season heck, there were five new teams that made the playoffs.
The atlant of Falcons were they only hold over. They
represented the NFC in the Super Bowl the year prior.
The Carolina, Minnesota, the Rams, the Eagles, and Saints were

(32:31):
all new to the playoff picture. The point being there's
a lot of change in the NFC. Okay, Like, there's
there's a lot of turnover zero a year from the playoffs.
So the teams that make it and don't make it,
I think we could take this field of six that
we saw in the NFC this year and really get
a sense of who's there to stay in who's not.
And I would say that the San Francisco forty Niners,

(32:54):
in my mind, because of their defense and because of
their running game, are a good bet to make the
Super make the playoffs at least next year, even if
they don't win the Super Bowl. That's that's my sense
of where the Niners are as an organization, and I
think that they have arrived and I think that they
will be in the playoffs next year, I think. And
since we were discussing three teams you've got to take

(33:15):
out of the field, I think the forty Niners are
one of my three that I'm taking out. You know
why Well, because I think Kansas City is gonna win
the game, and I know about the Super Bowl hangover,
and I just wonder if now, all of a sudden,
a team that was at six wins and four wins
and then now they've got to play a first place schedule.
I just wonder if it's going to be a bit much.

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They're doing it differently, and usually those teams get figured
out at some point or another. So I would lean
if I've got to pick my three teams that I
think are out of the playoffs next year. From the
NFC that are in this year, I think one of
them is gonna be the forty Niners. I see. I
look at the forty Niners and there wasn't a game
they didn't get lucky this year. I think when you
when you look at what they have done or what

(33:59):
they have gone first Pack, a lot of calls went
their way, and there there wasn't a chance where you
were like, I mean, heck, they missed field goals where
they could have beat Seattle in the first game. Maybe
maybe the last Seattle game is the one that you
point to of them maybe really getting lucky, but they were.
I don't even know if it's as much luck of

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just of making the play when you have to. Their
losses were all close affairs games that they were in.
I had opportunities to to maybe even win those games.
I just think the foundation is there, and not only that.
As you look at this and I used like the
three team minimum, I'm surprised because to me, there are
other teams in the NFC that have more holes of

(34:41):
teams like the Green May Packers perfect example. I mean,
he came to fruition of what happened against the forty
nine of the team that we always thought that they
were of frauds A very harsh word because I don't
think that they were trying to fool anybody, but they
didn't try to want to make us believe that they
were better than they were. I don't think they are
that good. I also think that we've had conversations with

(35:02):
Packer insiders. People are saying, well, look at what Aaron
Rodgers hands on offense. Well, there was also an effort
for them to improve their defense. So now when we
see the stats up of the Green Bay Packers and
look at what Aaron Rodgers has done in his playoff losses,
you know of of those stats. Okay, that's fine. Well,
the reason that they were losing playoff games was because

(35:23):
they were giving up forty eight points to Atlanta. Where
they were giving up points to this team that we're
running up the score. They couldn't stop anybody. So now
you take the money that you have and try to
address your defense. Guess what, Yeah, Aaron Rodgers isn't gonna
have weapons. But you know what, there's no there's no
way to correct that. It's just kind of shifted. And
that's why I think green Bay is who they are.
You can't now go out and get more talent for

(35:45):
Aaron Rodgers because then now your defense takes a hit.
That's the issue that I would see with green Bay
moving forward. And that's why I just don't think. I
think for what season that they had, they completely maxed out.
They beat everybody that they should have beaten. They got
a nice path to the end championship game. That just
doesn't happen two years in a row. Yeah, and uh,
the Packers are also, uh another team I think is

(36:07):
out of the playoffs next year, and I think, yeah,
I think the Packers are out because and I've been
thinking about this here. Matt Laflour called out his team afterwards,
said he was worried about why they weren't inspired enough,
Like how much did green Bay really rely on Aaron
Rodgers this season? Like not as much as in previous years.

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I think Aaron Rodgers is going to get traded to
the Chargers. Do you want some of that? Who wants
some of this? Hot? Take? Pipe gun? Here? Who wants
some of this? Take? What? The number six? Isn't that
what the Charges picks that they pick six? Six? Oh?
I mean, don't like give him the rights to qual calm.
Let him turn it into like, you know, like an

(36:51):
agriculture farm or something like that. I don't, I mean,
figure it out, whatever you whatever needs to happen. Uh,
you make that deal happen. But that is just my
you know, guests, and and just thinking out loud. If
they do keep Aaron Rodgers, I mean, to your point,
you want a lot of close games last year, like
they were small favorites in many games that they should

(37:11):
have been larger favorites in because we all recognized, all right,
they needed certain things to have happened in order for
them to land that number two seed, and then when
they did play better teams, they were exposed. Like the
forty Niners. I just think Green Bay is gonna gonna
come back next year. They're gonna come back down to reality.
So I've got the forty Niners and the Packers, who
were both in the NFC Championship game, is not making

(37:33):
the playoffs next year. And now that I say it
out loud, I realized that's but I'm gonna if I'm
gonna go with it. I think that there's problems in
Philadelphia as well. I also think that you have Dallas
on their heels. Philadelphia we thought was gonna have the
most talented team in the NFL the stats, and they
were my Super Bowl fifty four prediction in of winning
it all, of beating the Kansas City Chiefs at the

(37:53):
start of the year, I thought it was gonna be
an Andy Reid Bowl of the Chiefs against the Eagles.
But they aren't healthy. They're offensive line is getting older.
The injuries, I don't think are just fluke situations. I
think that they've got old guys on that team, and
I think at some point it's really going to add
up and you're going to need an influx of younger
bodies for Philadelphia to make another run. The other team

(38:16):
that that I looked at, I know Seattle played in
a lot of close games. I know that there's still
a question about Kirk Cousins, and I know that the
New Orleans Saints were a team that everybody loved except you.
You weren't high end. I believe this year going to
the Saints because of what can happen to them, what
can build up. I will jump on that train and
say that I think now it's run out because when

(38:36):
when you saw how Minnesota beat them. The issue that
I just now have is what do they do great
the New Orleans Saints and it is still Drew Brees,
but there seems to be a bit of a catching up.
The defense we thought was better, yet Minnesota runs all
over them and is able to score at will against them.
I just don't know on how many years you can

(38:57):
do it. And I think that things are fine catching
up with New Orleans, so I would move New Orleans
out of there. Plus, I actually think that that division
is getting better with Tampa Bay. I also think that Atlanta,
if if they can turn it around like the second
half of the season, that's where I would see in
that division. So I'm gonna keep the Vikings in because
I don't think they're gonna lose that much with Gary

(39:19):
Kubiak taking over as the offensive coordinator. I'll take the Packers, Eagles,
and Saints to not make the playoffs. Yeah, the Seahawks
are going to be in every year while Russell Wilson's
in his prime because he's Russell Wilson. That's just that's
just a fact. They're gonna be in every single year.
He's still the best quarterback in that division. So I
think the Seahawks are gonna be contending for NFC West
Crowns moving forward for the next three or four years minimum.

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I also agree with the Saints. I think it's done. Um,
you've seen heartbreaking losses multiple years in a row. If
you want to complain about the push off from Kyle Rudolph,
I actually think that offense looked more dynamic with Teddy
Bridgewater in than it did Drew Brees. And I would
love to get a couple of bottles of red wine
and Sean Payton in. Ask him, next five years, you

(40:01):
can have Drew Brees or Teddy Bridgewater. Who do you want?
I guarantee you he would say Teddy Bridgewater. I feel
like he's able to be more creative. Uh, they're not
setting their ways like they are with Drew Brees, and
I see the Saints taking a step back. I agree
with you. I think the division is gonna be much better.
Tampa Bay was much better than anybody wants to give
him credit for this year. They were around five hundred,

(40:24):
and I don't think anybody realized what was actually happening
there with an opportunity to be above five hundred, even
late in the season um, and I think Atlanta is
going to be reinvigorated. I think they're gonna add some pieces,
They're gonna be inspired. Dan Quinn's the coach, so that
pressure is sort of taken off. I think the Saints
are out and they go alongside the Packers and the

(40:44):
forty niners. Is my three times believe Tampa, just off
the top of my head, was top five against the
runs this year. They were number one for a long time.
So I just I wanted to give myself that cushion
by not not having the number in front of me.
But yeah, I think that there's there's something there. I
just I think that we can look and I think
that there's more turnover in the NFC. I don't think
that you can do this exercise in the a f C.

(41:06):
I think there are teams that are on the cusp,
but I just don't think you could do it. In
that comment. And plus Marcus Mariota and the Bears next year,
I mean Mariota and the Bears, I mean they could
be making a run. Dan, I think that's the case.
I know, I know that there were some connections, but
now that Helford's has gone, I'm not sure, but Ryan
Pace liked Mariotta coming out of the draft so much
so that they tried to trade j Cutler for the

(41:29):
number two pick because they wanted Mariota, and Tennessee balked
at it, of course, and said, no, We're not doing
that deal. But I know that Ryan Pace was enamored
with Marcus Mariotta. So Marcus Mariota might actually Marcus Mariotta
Mitch Rabinsky this year if he comes in as a
veteran and Rabinsky struggle with struggles. Tampa Bay was number one,
and Ryan Pace has had a great history of choosing quarterbacks.

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Absolutely absolutely. You can find that entire list at Mike
glennon dot net. You can find all of that there.
And that Kevin White pick. Kevin White pick was great too.
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(42:33):
Vegas and r J. Bell and just you know at
pregame dot Com taking a look at what we've got
for Super Bowl fifty four. Things seemed to open up
pretty well for the Kansas City Chiefs, but that spread
for Super Bowl fifty four maybe shrinking a bit. Opening
up at two and a half I think was the
number that we saw now down to about minus one

(42:54):
one and a half somewhere in that neighborhood for the
Kansas City Chiefs. His favorites over the San Francisco forty
nine is so maybe a little bit more love towards
the fort but that isn't the case in your mind. Yeah.
I So the conversation we were having on Straight out
of Vegas yesterday, R J. Bell was was discussing this
that he actually believes if you look at how some
of the money has come in and how it's gone from,

(43:17):
you know, it's a minus one, but it's a minus
one fifteen, which means you've got to lay a hundred
and fifteen to win your hundred dollars. Well, it's normally
like a minus one ten. The fact that it's moving
in that direction, he actually feels that it's going to
be even a bigger favorite for the Kansas City Chiefs
by the time kickoff takes place. Um, I am starting
to fall victim to what And I do it every

(43:39):
time and it pisces me off. And I don't know
why I do it. Okay, Okay, you say it and
then let me see if if if you're correct. I
think you are getting blinded by the glitz and glamour
and the lightning strikes of the Kansas Yes. Yeah, it's like, Look,
I'll be honest with you. I'm the type of person

(44:01):
I'd rather date a ten who's a horrible human being
than a six who's the saint of the world. I
don't know why I and I'm falling forward again. It
is the time tested truth in the NFL. Whoever has
the best defense and runs the ball best and controls
the clock, they're going to win. Forty niners check, forty

(44:24):
niners check. Yet I'm going with the Chiefs Why am
I doing this? Because you imagine Patrick Mahomes dropping back
and seeing Travis Kelsey wide open fifteen yards away, or
you see Tyree Kill running free down the sidelines, and
you don't see Nick Bosa in the forty Niners offensive
or defensive line getting to the Chiefs quarterback. You also

(44:47):
don't see the Chiefs even trying to run the game,
which makes them completely one dimensional for something the forty
Niners would then be able to deal with. How much
how much time do you think the forty Niners are
actually spending on shutting down Damian Williams in that running
game in Kansas City. I just said, I don't think
that there's there's a lot. I don't think there's all
of a sudden going to be a a switch that

(45:09):
has flipped to get that running game going. It's gonna
be on the arm of Patrick Mahomes. And I actually
think that makes it easier for the San Francisco forty Niners. See.
I did this Super Bowl forty eight, which you remember
very fondly, Dan, that was the Seahawks and Theron and
the Broncos. Correct Or is that Seahawks Broncos. I went

(45:29):
all in on the Denver Broncos. And this is not
an exaggeration. I have the paper and the bets written
down on the paper. I loved Denver in that game.
I was convinced Denver was gonna win that game. Seat
all the better rushing attack, they had, the better defense.
I was convinced Denver was gonna win that game. Legitimately,
live wagering included by the time the game was over,

(45:51):
because I kept going in on Denver thinking no, no, no, no, no,
it'll all come back to reality. Don't This is all
a fraud. I was one in seventeen in my bets.
The only one I hit was it was an over
under point total. That was a live wager one in
seventeen because I got so fooled by the glitz and
glamour and it didn't pay attention to the fundamentals of
football and the truth we've been We've known about for

(46:13):
years and years. Defense, running the football you always have
better success. And yet here I was, and here I
am again. And I actually liked the forty niners when
when they finally beat the Green Bay Packers and it
went final. I was on with Brady Quinn after you
were on Dan here on Fox Sports Radio on Sunday,
and I said, I like San Francisco. Among my early indicators,

(46:34):
I like San Francisco, and then is the days of
have gone by? I fall my I find myself falling
for Kansas. I love San Francisco in this game, I
really do. I think that they will win the game,
and I actually think it. It may not be as
close as people think it is. I just I really
think that the Niners have something and they've They've had
it all season long, not to say that the Chiefs haven't.

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What's your point about Super Bowl forty eight. It was
so surprising because at that time it is obviously me
being a Seahawks fan and felt that I knew that
team pretty well. I didn't understand why everybody was so
in love with the Denver Broncos, but you could see
it because of the offense. But the other reason, Jonas,
was because I learned my lesson in Super Bowl thirty seven,
and maybe it was I should have just known that
John Gruten wasn't gonna lose to his former team. But

(47:16):
you had the great offense of Rich Gannon and the
Oakland Raiders going up against the guy who developed that offense.
And his all world defense in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
and I remember somebody saying to me, now, the defense
is going to win this contest, and in the end,
that's usually what happens. And in the end of that game,
boy did it ever? I mean it was. I mean
the Buccaneers scored at will, and then they were able

(47:38):
to force turnovers and and and just completely annihilate the
Silver and Black. That's what I learned that lesson about
trusting defense more. Another of may have been matchups where
maybe a team was better offensively than defensively and you
went that way. But I just think this is one
of those things. I just don't know how a team
can be so one dimensional like Kansas City is, even

(48:00):
the great talent that they have, and still feel that
that's a way that that they can win a Super Bowl.
I just it that's not gonna work against San Francisco. Yeah,
that's something that you know, he's Patrick Mahomes is going
to throw it for fifty times. But I just don't
see anybody stopping Raheem Mostered or stopping that defensive line

(48:21):
getting after Patrick Mahomes, which would make it a longer. Yeah.
I I just I look at this this game, in
this scenario, and and look, I also if you're asking
me who I want to win, and maybe this is
part of it, and I'm not addressing it, but who
I want to win is Kansas City. I'm I'm quietly,
I guess not quietly, but I'm sort of siding with
Kansas City and rooting to a certain extent for Kansas

(48:43):
City to win because I would love to see Andy
Reid get a Super Bowl. I'd love to see him
get a Super Bowl. Um and and I would love
the idea of potentially we've got, you know, a brand
new face of the NFL quarterback that's gonna make a
run in Patrick Mahomes. And I'm saying all this, and
I know what's going to happen. I am going to
side with Kansas City. I'm going to continue to go
down this road with the ten who's got a two

(49:06):
personality and a terrible human being, just because I'm so
enamored with the piece of arm candy, totally ignoring, uh,
the borderline nun who's also very pretty in a seven
that I'm just not even taking into consideration. I just
I feel like I'm going down this path I know
I'm going the wrong way and I can't stop myself.

(49:28):
Dan can't stop. I like the borderline nun Like she'll
do everything and Nune does except she will marry you. Yes,
that's where that's where the line but everything is yes,
it's it's nunn Is. I just I just feel like
I'm going down this terrible path of them and look
I should. Okay, you guys talked with a with a

(49:49):
postgame guest after the after on Sunday, right, Oh, you
didn't see it. I did, but it was everywhere. Our
conversation with Mitchell Schwartz was all right, so Chiel Schwartz
and you have the willpower, even after talking to a
Kansas City chief player of saying, you know what, even
though I love Mitchell Schwartz, I still think the forty

(50:11):
Niners are going to win this game. Like even after that,
I I would love to say I have the willpower,
but I don't. I'm just an idiot. Because we also
talked to Nick Bose after the game, former Ohio State buck.
I I even told Nick Bosa, don't do cocaine when
you're in Miami. I said that on the air on
Fox Sports Radio and still you would think, God, well

(50:31):
that should have been a sign right then, and there
go forty nine. No, not doing it. I'm gonna lose
a bunch of money on this game, I know it.
So I gotta bet the coin flip. I gotta go
all in on the coin flip and not bet on
anything during the game. Is it because you want to
see how many guys it takes to carry Andy Reid off?
The come on? That? I cannot believe and that direction question.

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It's a simple question, and it's something I hadn't thought about.
And now that you posted the question, I actually starting
to think, what's the over? Under two and a half?
Do you think that? Is so mess? I love Andy Reid,
I too, but I think it's a legitimate question. I
just man I and and for this it just feels

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like a forty niner game. Like the whole idea that
that Jimmy Garoppolo had he hasn't. Jim Garoppolo has done
nothing in this postseason. He hasn't had too. Here's what
I also think is actually in play here, Kyle Shanahan.
We know from Super Bowl fifty one, we know about three,
But how crazy is it that a team scores twenty

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eight points on the Atlanta excuse me on the New
England Patriots in two and a half quarters has a
has a an offense that goes up and down the
field against one of the greatest franchises, if not the
greatest franchise in NFL history, and that game gets remembered
because of what the offense didn't do. You would think

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that in most scenarios it would be like, how did
the Falcons defense below that this would be this would
be all on the Falcons defense in what they didn't
do to stop in New England. But instead, that game,
as crazy as it is, is still on the shoulders
of Kyle Shanahan, and it should be. And I don't
know if you if if he thought that it could

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be that way, because he obviously was stubborn and passing
the ball and keeping the foot on the gas and
doing what they what they needed to do. I do
think that a lesson was learned in that case, in
that case of not having to show up or to
show off of what you are doing. So I think
that's a good lesson for Kyle Shanahan, where the only
thing that's important is just making sure you get the win. Yeah,

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and I just and and it's funny you bring that
up because we go back to that Falcon Super Bowl,
and yeah, that we never hear anything about the defense.
I didn't hear anything about the defense, you know, missing
that easy interception from Tom Brady that deflected in the
air and Julian Edelman caught it. I don't hear anything
about the defense stopping Danny m and Dolan that two
point conversion or let alone stop popping them in overtime.
I hear nothing about the defense. It's always about Kyle Shanahan.

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What an idiot he was for doing that. And then
the next year it was Steve Sarkisian doesn't know how
to run a two point conversion player a red zone offense,
So the defense always gotta pass. But I'm telling you, like,
you can try and talk me into this all you want.
I'm gonna bet the Chiefs. I know it, and I'm
gonna lose. You have a week. You have a week
to get it on. I just canned, can, I mean,

(53:24):
what do you want? It's like me trying to tell you,
all right, Dan, you gotta give up those CARDI B
chips and go back to ruffles. You're not doing it.
I still like ruffles. It's just, you know, we're switching
it up. They all make the playoffs. It's just Cardi
b is here today, who doesn't make the playoffs. Chip
wise Um Friedo's corn chips. I got a sick out

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of and I was like three years old. Smell them.
Never anybody opens up a bag of Friedo's Friedo corn chips.
Make you sick. Just the smell, just the just the
aroma will make me nauseous. That's interesting. You know you
don't make music, John Ramos, Sorry, John, I thought my
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