February 18, 2020 • 35 mins
After Drew Brees announced his return to the NFL for 2020, Doug wonders how effective Brees will be next season at this late stage in his career. He also thinks Tom Brady is currently holding the Patriots organization hostage which could lead to an ugly break up. Plus, NFL Insider Jason La Canfora joins the show to tell Doug if Antonio Brown will ever play in the NFL again.
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of the Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
get to the story of the day. Drew Brees puts
us on Instagram. I look forward to the grind and
the journey for the reward at the end will be
worth it. Love you hashtag who Dat Nation? Let's make
another run at it now. Drew Brees announces what we
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thought was kind of a bit of a foregone conclusion,
Like I don't think we thought he would definitely retire,
but this is this was a little bit of dragging
it out. He needed a little bit chance to recharge
and reevaluate, not just the kids he has. I'm sure
there was an offer to do television at some point.
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Their star players, Alvin Kamara, Cam Jordan's Michael Thomas all
under contract. This news essentially clears away for Teddy Bridgewater
to leave in free agency. Taysom Hill will remain as
the backup and the change of pace eventually becoming you know,
he's still the air apparent. He's a free agent, which
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means the Saints had the right to match. Although it's
gonna be really interesting. How do you you know what
what will his salary look like? Because I don't know
if he's a starter elsewhere, even though they believe he's
a starter. And it's gonna be curious to see how
he finished his career career because I feel like Drew
Brees is making a mistake. I feel like he's making
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a mistake. I feel like he's chasing it. I feel
like he's running it back. Now, run that back is
an express and that comes from pickup basketball. Then you
guys play pick up basketball. When you play pick up basketball,
you know like, hey, we're gonna go play. All right,
let's go play. I grew up playing at Miles Square Park,
which in Found Valley, California, or playing at thirty eight Street,
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which is a Newport Beach, californ just off the beach,
you know where then you go play. I've played games
at St. Joe's College in West Hartford or Connord High
School in West Hartford. And I think of all the
different places that we play pick up all twenty four
hour fitness Equinox or whatever, and it's great when you
have a group and you're on the text chain, like
all right, Sunday morning, Sunday morning, we're gonna play at
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Weston High School in Connecticut. That was That was the
the game. When I moved to Westward, Connecticut, there was
a game at Weston High School and actually had to
the two court deal, which I hate. Just play one court,
fifteen guys, let's rotate in whatever. But they had too
many guys on the email lest they played too And
there's nothing like running the winner's court. Like you run
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the winner's court and then you get towards the end
and you keep you lose by a bucket and you
lose by a bucket, and it's like you started at eight,
it's like ten o'clock. You got a good sweat going.
You know, you're thinking about your day. You you loosen
up your shoes. You know, maybe you took your shoes off.
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You got a sweaty top on, you like take it off.
You put your T shirt on, you put your sweatshirt on,
getting ready to rock out the door, and there's like
nine guys on the court and they're shooting and they're
doing that, they're doing the count thing. A couple of
guys walk out of the gym and you realize there's like,
now either ten guys, maybe there's twelve guys in the gym,
but there's two guys that like, no, I have to
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go or my wife's gonna kill me. And you're sitting
there and you're saying to yourself, we should I want
to win that last game. I don't want to end
the loss. You know, the worst player in the court
just jumps up. He's a bank shot from three from
straight away, Like, I don't want to lose that way.
I want to win my last game. And all the
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guys come on black wa wa, Well, we'll play eleven
straight blay eleven straight, no by two's we'll get this
thing done. And you're like, all right, what the hell?
You start lacing back up your shoes, tie them up,
take off that sweatshirt, in a T shirt. I'm just
gonna play like this. Let's go, let's let's run. What
happens when you run it back? The game is never
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the same. It's usually sloppy. Somebody always gets hurt. I mean, look,
think about what happened with Brett Farve. And I know
Brett Farve thought about retiring three times. And it was
only the third or fourth time when Brad Childers went
and got him out of Mississippi and brought him up
to Minnesota. But they had lost in the NFC champion game.
Farvard thrown interception and they felt like they were closed.
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And the next year Farv gets hurt, his street comes
to an end and the metro Doome literally collapsed. That
actually happened. Like I can give you a bunch of
advice on pick up basketball, but the number one piece
of advices don't run it back at last game. Somebody
always gets hurt. You never leave with the same feeling.
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Even if you win the last game. You're like, man,
that was raggedy basketball. It's just not good. Now, maybe
he's thinking to himself, Tampa is still not there, Carolina
is rebuilding. You know, Atlanta is not any good. Our
division can be had. We get to the playoffs, it
gives it another shot. And you know, I mean, we
lose on a on a blown tackle two years ago
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in Minnesota on a blown call at home to the
Rams on what we think is a blown call in
overtime to the Minnesota Vikings. Where this close. Let's just
run it back, let's get to another super Bowl and
let's les let's let's end out on top. I don't know.
Running it back is a who And and Breeze hasn't
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been great at the end of the last couple of seasons,
just hasn't hasn't been great and seems to have faded.
And last year Teddy Bridgewater because he got hurt, got
to take over, so he should have been fresh. I
just look, I don't I would never tell a guy
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to retire because Drew Brees he didn't play as long
as he wants to play. And he plays in the dome,
he plays with a great coach, he's got a good team.
They're all in on him, like the whole thing. I
get it. You feel like you're that close, you keep
getting that close, you're knocking on the door. Let's kick
it in next year, okay, but you keep running it
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back and eventually, eventually it'll catch up to you. Eventually
somebody gets hurt that last pickup game and even when
you do win, it's like, yeah, I mean, I guess
Peyton Manning is the is the is the guy is
the reason, right because Peyton ran it back, wasn't even good,
lost the starting job, but he did win that last game.
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He did go out as a champion, right. But people
need to realize that that is the exception. It didn't
work that way for Brent Fave. That didn't you know, uh,
you know, I don't know what happens with Philip Rivers,
but consider the amazing season he had two years ago.
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This year he was a walking turnover. Eli Manning kept
coming back, trying, this is the year, we're gonna fix it.
We're gonna fix it. They couldn't fix Eli. He's going
to be in the Hall of Fame. He's a borderline
Hall of Fame quarterback. Eli Manning couldn't fix it himself.
It's a really hard thing to do. And and I
understand that Drew Brees is in a different situation than
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those two because he's coming back to the same team
and to a team that was really really good and
he wasn't bad, you know, considering um, you know, considering
he was hurt and he only played eleven games to
throw for nearly three thousand yards, to throw twenty seven
touchdown and only four interceptions. You know, you can't really
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find fault for a guy saying he's got But when
you think, thinking that long and hard legitimately about hanging
him up, I don't know. Running it back to me
sounds like the wrong plan feels like the wrong plan
feels like to me, you're chasing that one last victory
because you got a bad call or whatever. Last year.
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He is able to get some rest because of the
thumb injury that that end up kind of recharging him.
And even then, offensively they struggled against the Vikings. They
struggled late in the year. Year before, he seemed to
have a dead arm. Late You're not getting younger, You're
gonna get older. That arm will get heavier late in
the season. I just I know it's being met with
celebration because everybody, myself included, likes Drew Brees and you
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don't want him to whatever you do, you don't want
the last game to feel like a call decided who won.
And that's the way they feel. A bit or a
crazy play that last three years all craziness, But running
it back to the Dangerous Thing. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
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and the I Heart Radio app. I'm generally not affected
by what other people say, like I don't. I don't care.
I can form my I'm a big boy, I can
form my own opinion. I don't really, I honestly don't care.
On the other hand, as much as all of us
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want to to to make our own decisions, to judge
who we like, who we don't like, and what we
like on our own um, I would also kind of
point out at some point it will have an effect
on you, you know, whether it's a girl I don't know.
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You know she used to date. I mean, we were
completely unfair as men. She used to date a lot
of guys in college. Like okay, well you date a
lot of girls in college. Why is that? Why does
that matter at all? But then all of a sudden,
you know, you sit down and you just start thinking,
You get thoughts, you get plan in your head, and
you can't get out of it. I feel like that's
where Joe Burrow is the girl in this case. Is
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uh is the Cincinnati Bengals. Enough people, you know enough people.
I keep telling him, you should pull an Eli. You
should pull an Eli. You should pull an Eli Manning. Right,
that's what people are telling him. I mean they're legit
telling him. Um, I mean Joe Burrow said, I do
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have leverage. No, no, you don't, dude. He went on.
The Bengals have their process. I have my process. We
haven't even gotten to the combine yet. There's a lot
of things that are happening leading up to the draft
and a lot of information gathered. Right now, I'm focused
on being the best football player I can be. I'm
in this unique spot. You can go watch film. I
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don't have to prove myself a Pro day at the combine.
Uh So, I'm in a unique spot where I can
focus on getting ready for the year. H Steve Barkowski
is a former first overall pick. He said, they're Ohio guys,
and I might have offended them by telling him, but
it's the Bengals. I think I'd pull an Eli Manning. Yeah.
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By the way, like the idea of the Eli Manning
who ended up going He's probably gonna go to the the
Hall of Fame. One too. It wasn't like it ended
up bad for Philip Rivers, like this is totally lost
in this thing, Like Philip Rivers end up just fine
in San Diego and in l A and wherever he plays.
You can play, you can play. But while people will
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point out in Cowards pointed out smallest scouting department in
the league, owned by an eighty two year old owner,
you know, an unproven code, which yeah, okay, I get
that fit does in fact matter, But you do have
you're gonna have a rebuilt offensive line, and you're gonna
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have Joe Mixon as a running back. And you'll see
if you have a j. Green. If you don't have
a j Green, you'll have You'll have plenty in his
in his place, you have others in his place. I
just but here's the biggest thing. The leverage that you
think you have you might have with thirty one other teams.
I don't believe you have with the Bengals. Joe Burrows
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twenty three years old. He's already sat out a couple
of years because ah, he red shirted and when he
was and didn't play when he was at Ohio State,
and he was clearly rusty last year when he played
and it took him while to get up to speed
and in a great year this year. Do you think
he wants to not play for a year. And you
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can tell me all you want about well, you know,
it's just all about leverage, Like he doesn't have any
leverage because this is not the team to mess with.
This is not the team that does that, cowards to it.
We also have to remember they got Jonah Williams who
didn't play last year. He was the um what was
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he like, the eleven pick in the draft of the Bengals,
Like they will rebuild the line. He's worked playing for
an offensive coach. I get and respect Carson Palmer. He
works out with Jordan Palmer. I'm sure Carson and Jordan
be like, man, you don't want to play there. But
do you know how long ago? How long ago do
you think it was that Carson Palmer played with the Bengals.
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Take take a guess, Ryan Music, without looking, it's gotta
be nine years ago. You're going nine almost over nine
years ago it was. He last played for the Cincinnati
Bengals in two thousand and ten. Now, the idea, he's
not wrong in many of his I mean, obviously he's
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not wrong because he lived it right. But he's not
wrong in that the Bengals still have some fundamental flaws
that that are a problem. You can't get away from him.
But it's also fair to point out that in that time,
in that time since Carson Palmer has been gone, they've
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been to the playoffs several times over, they've won the
division twice. You know, and Andy Dalton, who I think
we would all agree is a very average quarterback, very
average quarterback, as average as he is. You know, they
were kind of a perennial challenger to the Steelers and
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to the Ravens in a very difficult division. And you know, like, okay,
so these teams that need a quarterback need a quarterback
for a reason. You can sit here and tell me
he should pulling on Eli Manning. But who would be
the team that he would go to that be better
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The Miami Dolphins. Why are we convinced the Miami Dolphins
would be better? Explained to me, like somebody the Washington Redskins.
They they've been like, teams are bad for a reason,
bad for a reason. But the big thing is, you
can try that leverage thing with anybody It doesn't work
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with the Bengals because they don't care what you don't
like about them. There that they operate differently is in
their wives strength. And they're gonna draft you and sit
to you if you have to. They'll play the long game.
Don't believe me, look at their history. Be sure to
catch the live edition of The Doug gott Leaps Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. We're still
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waiting to hear what happens with Tom Brady. We're gonna
have to wait till March. But Mark Mike Girardi, Patriots
inside for the NFL Network, said on Tom Brady, football
ops wants to know where his head is before free agency,
as they should. If Brady is inclined to leave or
draw this out. They don't believe that's the desire. The
Patriots could find themselves handcuffed in terms of player acquisition.
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The Patriots would have to absorb thirteen point five million
dollars in dead cap salary charge if Brady is not
on the roster when the two thousand and twenty league
year begins on March eighteen. Oh oh. Dead cap money
not good, not good, But they need to know right,
we need to know like are we going, we going?
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We have you, we're going for and if we're not
all right, then we'll have to figure it out. According
to CBS Sports, based on two thousand nineteen regular season records,
the Patriots have the most difficult schedule coming into next season.
Right yeah, the Bills twice, Jets twice, Dolphins twice. Both
Jets and Dolphins should be better. You can play the
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Ravens at home, the Niners at home. You need to
go to the Chiefs, to the Seahawks, to the Texans,
and you're gonna play the Rams. You missed the playoffs,
but everyone expects them to be better. This is only
going to be It's only gonna go one of two ways. Right,
happy reunion, everyone on board throughout something on Instagram, I'm
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coming back, or an ugly breakup. Ugly breakup, because if
it's an ugly breakup and he leaves and they tear
it down, yikes. Bills are playoff team. Josh Allen gonna
get better. Niners loaded, young roster, Ravens, very good roster,
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reigning MVP as quarterback, Chiefs, Seahawks, Texans, Rams, and I
think the Dolphins and the Jets will both be better.
And this is a really really interesting um dilemma, and
there really is, isn't. There's not a there's not a
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nice way to end it. There's not the cordial Hey,
let's because you're leaving them in the you have the
potential to leave them in the lurch. You want to
wait till free agency, but they got to know about
free agency before free agency hits, so they know, Like,
you can't call guys and go like, hey, we want
to offer you a big deal, but only if we
have Tom Brady. Do you have Tom Brady? We have
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no idea. And if they don't get Brady and they
don't spend a bunch of money on talented wide receivers
and they go and get any Dalton and draft a quarterback, Like, yikes,
there's a little of Lebron there where you hold a
team hostage and then you leave, and if you leave,
the team does poorly. And you're like, see I was
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holding that thing together or or you held his hostage
and then you left, all right, you you gave you
gave us no other option but to tear it down.
If you leave, we we don't have a backup plan.
You were the one who said, you want to play
here forever. So we got rid of Jimmy Garoppolo. Now
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you know what, I'm playing forever because our wide receivers
weren't good enough. That's not whatever is? Is that? Whatever is?
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joins his NFL insider All right, Jason, give me the
give me the what you know of now in terms
of Brady, Oh, nothing's really changed since the last time
we talked. I mean, and nothing is gonna change until
the combine or or you know a little bit after that. Um,
But he's going to play this out. He's going to
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see what what his best options are, who's really interested
in him, and what everybody has to offer. And the
process still hasn't even started yet, and it really legal,
we can't start until the middle of March. And you know,
I don't I don't think that he knows, um exactly,
you know, how long it will take or how many
teams he'll end up actually talking to, if not actually
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meeting with, which it remains to be seen whether he
feels the need to meet in person with people or not. UM,
in this day and age, with technology being what it is,
I don't know that. You know how imperative it is.
He's been in the league twenty years, you know whatever,
he knows what every stadium looks like. He has an
idea of you know who's training facilities, um, you know
who has what to offer. So I'm not sure at
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the end of the day, that's going to carry a
whole lot of weight with him, UM in terms of
actually being on site. But the Patriots don't know who
their quarterback is going to be next year, and it
might be UM more than a month before they do,
which which really hinders their ability to put together a
team or or work their free agency right. Well, I
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mean it complicates things, There's no doubt about that. I mean,
are they going to be completely changing their skim? What
is what is the um? What's the upside of the
next quarterback gonna be? Like? What are his strengths going
to be? Uh? They obviously need to upgrade that offense
no matter what, No matter who the quarterback is, UM,
they're not gonna be able to be a competitive football
team having that little to offer in terms of speed
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and and and you know, quick twitch and and I
mean there's no dynamic uh player, no dynamic school guy
in on their roster. I mean Edelman's you know, going
to move the change, but he's not gonna beat anybody physically.
They throw to James White alive and that's it. I mean,
those are the two guys here Brady trusted in that offense.
So yeah, the Patriots have their work cut out for
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him regardless. Um, and and if again, if when they
re recruit Tom Brady, They're gonna have to have a
comprehensive plan. You know, it can't just be um, we're
just gonna roll the balls back out and keep doing
what we're doing, and you know, we're gonna pay you
more money and everything will be fine. I think it's
gonna have to be a little more holistic than Jason
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lamp Florid joining us on The Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Drew Brees today announces he's coming back,
which means Teddy Bridgewater will exit. Where does Teddy Bridgewater
where is he likely to go? I mean, I think
if Tom Brady does move on, I think Teddy Bridgewater
would make a lot of sense for the New England Patriots. Um.
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I think Teddy Bridgewater could make sense for the Chargers
if that's not where Tom Brady lands, um. And and
if they're you know, picking even if they pick a quarterback,
even if they take a Herbert, Uh, they're gonna want
to be competitive or at least, you know, attempt to
be competitive this year in that new stadium, fighting for
whatever market share they can attain. So I don't know
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that you know, putting Herbert in and letting him start
from day one, if that's where they're in position the
draft a quarterback makes sense. I think you could make
a case for Teddy Bridgewater there. Um, you know, the Raiders,
I don't. I don't know that. Um, he's the gun
slinger that John Oh, I'm sorry that John Gruden is
ultimately drawn to I'm not sure how much that's a
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fit a fit same thing with Tampa, you know, and
Bruce Arians. I think he wants a guy who's a
little more naturally inclined to push the ball downfield, maybe
a little more than Bridgewater. Um. You know, I We'll
have to see where some of these other dominoes fall.
But you know, I could see him as the you know,
the guy to take a shot replacing a Brady or
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Rivers Jason Lockham for our guests on The Dug Outlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, it's interesting because there's others.
There's there's there's Jamis, right, and and they they're noncommittal committal,
will just kind of see what's the feelings about Jameis
Winston and Tampa. Well, they're gonna have to, I mean,
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they're going to have to make a decision before free
agency starts. I mean, you know, the window will be
opening up here soon to use the franchise or transition
tag and if they don't use, you know, place that
on him, then he's gone. At the very least, have
the really to find out exactly what his market value
is and to talk to all thirty one teams. And
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I'm not sure that it comes to that because they
have to do their own mental calculus. And you know,
as Andy Dalton is trading a tour or three for
Andy Dalton, you know, and extending him for a year two,
giving him a Nick Foles contract, is that is that
better than tagging Jamis this year? And seeing what happens.
You know, Cam Newton is not being traded in that division, Uh,
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Derek Carr, I mean if if, if the Raiders move on,
I guess you know, I guess he's making you know,
he got him on a cheap contract at nineteen. I
don't know that he's Bruce Arians cup of tea. I
think the same reasons Gruden's frustrated with him, or why
Bruce Arians will look at him and say, I don't
think that's the long term answer. I don't think they're
drafting one. You know at fourteen three year probably already gone.
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Are they gonna move up to get somebody and mortgage
more of the future with a coach who was very
much year to year at this point. Um, you know,
I think once you start the Tom Brady, he's not
going to Tampa. I got news for you. So you
start going through the process of elimination. I don't know
where they upgrade off with Jamis Winston and all the
time and all the energy and all the money they've
spent on him to this point. Do you let him
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leave at age six and maybe prosperous somewhere else and
not having an upgrade in your back pocket yourselves. I
don't know that that makes a whole lot of sense
for them, And I also don't know how they upgrade
over him again, unless you're talking about trying to move
into the top five, and even then there's risk him off.
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That's the voice of Jason Lacamphora, who joins us from
a dog pound somewhere the mail. Yeah, I'm I'm sure,
I'm sure he loves you, all right? What about Philip Rivers?
Is it INDI your retire I think it's Indie or
or Tampa. You know, I think those are two teams. Well,
I don't think those are two teams. I know they
have done a lot of work on him. Um, but
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you know, again, he's probably costing you five You can
put a non exclusive tagleing Jamis, and he's eleven years younger,
and he has upside and let's be real, Philip doesn't anymore.
Does that make sense? So if Tampa goes ahead and
keeps Winston, then I think, yeah, it's probably Indianapolis or
I mean, something else might pop loose. But I don't
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know how lucrative it's going to be, and I don't
know that it's gonna fit what he's looking to do,
which is at least goes somewhere where you think the
team's got a chance to make the playoffs. And and
he's a guy who, at this stage of his career,
if he doesn't have something lined up early in free agency,
the longer he sits, uh, you know, the more you're
you're looking at a you know, a bridge contract more
than anything close to the kind of starting quarterback money
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he's used to making. I mean, look for at least
three are gonna go in the first round. Um, there's
been so many teams that have traded for signed or
drafted quarterbacks in the last two years that there's not
that many seats at the table. And there's more mobility,
uh than we've ever seen before or with again, all
these guys like a car, like a Dalton, like a
Newton on the trade market, you know, Bridgewater if some
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if somebody goes in the Aiannapolis, then brissets out there,
Jamis Mariota. Uh, there's so many options, so many different flavors,
guys at different stages of their career. Um, you know,
I I don't I don't know if I'm Philip Rivers
and I'm getting sniffed some Indianapolis. I'm gonna do what
I can to try to be their guy early on
in this process. Jason lockean for our guest in the
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Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Likely to
Antonio Brown plays in the NFL next year, Oh boy,
nobody's signing him now. I mean with a six month
off season. Why would you you know, the league nobody's
signed him in season when he might have been a
difference between making a Super Bowl and not. The league
still hasn't clarified his status. I don't get the impression
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from the league office that they're in any sort of
hurry to clarify his status. I mean, what Goodell will
talk next at the end of March at owners meetings there,
I doubt that there are you know, going to say that, yeah,
Antonio Brown is is is you know, reinstated and and
there's no contingencies you guys, you mean, look, you know
how to handle this stuff. I mean, they don't. They
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don't do anything early in the off season, especially for
someone who's had this degree of trouble, because why would
you Something else happens and now you know you're you're
starting a whole another investigation. So does somebody sign him
three weeks two weeks a week before the started camp.
If if he stayed out of trouble and he's shown
real contrition and he's made changes in his life and
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in terms of who he associates with and how he
comports himself, and and if he's getting you know, if
he's talking to some sort of trained professional about his behavior, um,
then then I'd never say never because the talents there.
But I can't imagine anybody really doing that until July. Yeah,
it would be hard to do, you know what I mean,
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what's the game? Like? I just don't know, because he's
probably going to be suspended. I I just I don't
know if he ever plays football again, no matter how
much he apologizes, he just done so much damage to
himself and his brand. And and you know, when you
go after when you go after women, you know, on
social media, and you like, that's just we're in an
error where people don't where the NFL doesn't have an
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appetite for it, no matter how talented you are. Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know. You know, we'll we'll see,
I mean may maybe things are changing to some degree,
But I've seen so many guys get get other opportunities,
and and look if the league had clarified his status
at all and and said, hey, we don't know enough
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to suspend him, or hey we might suspend him, but
our investigations not gonna be done until the off season.
He would have he would have been he would have
been a Saint or a Patriot or something. Yeah, but
but he's not, which leads you believe there's something else coming,
or you know, maybe Greg Hardy got a second chance, dude.
So I mean, I'm just I'm just saying it, like
I don't but but he did. But it became it
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became a disaster, right like I I mean, it became
a disaster. And I think that's what people are worried about,
is like, wait, he was, he was. There was a
different story every week with this guy for two months.
Now all of a sudden, now he wants to apologize,
and we're just supposed to forget about it. We forgot
about it for for a short period time with Greg Hardy,
and it ended up being worse, not better. And I
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think smart people do learn from their mistakes. That was
clearly mistake. That's just for the Cowboys, but for the league. Yeah.
I mean we'll see, you know, long off season if
if if he gets in the good graces of the
league office and somebody is able to sign him for
a couple of million bucks, no frills, and it's all incentive,
you know, incentive bound, we'll see. I want to ask
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you about Joe Burrow. What's the what are you hearing
is the likelihood that that he he tries to pull
out Eli man. You know, I don't know that it
goes def con, but it's gonna be pretty clear throughout
this process that, um, there's other places that he would
prefer to be and that he has real reservations and
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justifiably so about how badly that organization wants to win,
and how committed they are, and how they're going to
allocate resources and assets not just um throughout the roster,
but you know, upgrade and continue to upgrade facilities, UM,
you know, infrastructure, scouting technology. Uh, they're very much a
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mon posh shop. And there's you know that quarter quarterbacks
and quarterback careers have gone to die there many times. UM,
A lot of guys who came into the league with
a lot of fanfare. So I understand where he's coming
from at the end of the day, did they come
out and say we absolutely positivity are not signing this
contract and get into a stair down with Mike Brown.
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That means it's not out of the roam of possibility.
I'll have to see how the interactions go. Obviously, the
Bengals are gonna have people to combine. Bengals will be
at his pro days. The Bengals are gonna want him
for you know, one of the twenty private visits that
you can have kids make. Uh and and there's ways
subtle and and overt to to send signals to that
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organization and to send signals to the other teams who
you think might might be inclined to come up to
one and get you. I would just say that costion
the Bengals to be open minded, um and and and
not fall into some of the traps that they've fallen
into in the past, which is we're old school, this
is how we've always done it. You know, nobody, no nobody,
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you know, wins a stare down with Mike Brown and
and you know we'll take you to the mat because
you know, the draft, the sanctity of the draft triumphs overall.
Um He's not the only quarterback in the world. The
the hall that they might be able to get for
him could could could be absolutely massive. And this is
the year in which there are more quarterback options, as
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we were just talking about, than any year I can
think of before. And there is a generational quarterback coming
up with the first pick next year. Um, the Raiders
won't have their haul anymore. The Dolphins have spent a
lot of those picks. Um. You know, I Hey, I
think I think the Bengals should be open minded and
in terms of what they do with that pick because
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the trade there there might be a trade out there
that just impossible to say no to. And you shouldn't
say no just because you're philosophically opposed to making trades. No,
I agree with you. I think thet one other teams would.
I just don't think the Bengals willson to day Mike Brown.
You know what, Mike Brown's track record would tell you.
He's not gonna blink no matter what this kid does.
I just don't know that that's the right way to
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approach this. Not I I agree with you, but we,
like you said, we're dealing mikerout Jason Lacking for a
CBS Sports joining us their NFL insider. Uh, you wrote
that both Mike Zimmer and Rick Spielman are perceive to
be on the hot seat because they're gonna they're gonna
hit salary cap hell after next season. So now teams
are gonna call and try and pluck off pieces. Do
you think Stefan Diggs is in the Vikings uniform game
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one next year? Probably not? Um, probably not. I mean,
and they might not be in salary cap hell right now,
but there's somewhere between purgatory and hell. Uh, they're in
a good spot. And and you know, under understandably so,
I mean, so much was made of the Cousins contract,
but that that you know, yeah, they spent a lot
of money on him, but they also spent a ton
of money to keep their own guys, and and they
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were you know, dolling out top of the market extensions
all over the place for two years. And now those
chickens are coming home to roost and there earn a
whole lot of playoff wins behind them. And I understand
the statement that ownership put out there. You know, when
the rumors were running hot and heavy about Zimmer in particular,
leading into the playoffs. Um, but until or unless they
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get extensions and real extensions, not one year extensions, then yeah,
the rest of the league is gonna be looking at
that like, hey, um, those guys look like they're in
a pretty desperate situation and let's see what we can get.
There's no where they're gonna be able to keep this
whole team together. Um, some guys will be cut, some
guys will be traded, but they're going to have to
you know, repackage and move some move some things around
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just to have enough cat flexibility to get through a season.
I'm very interested to see, you know, who stays and
who goes. But I mean a guy like Karl Rudolph,
he really came on last year, but I mean you
you drafted his replacement. I don't know if they're gonna
be able to carry Klin Rudolph and Lyndell Joseph's a
nice player. I don't know that they're going to be
able to carry him at twelve million. And if you
if you start you know, extending guys and you know
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guys now who are going to a third contract, then
you really get yourself in trouble. So yes, they will
be a team that a lot of clubs and agents
won an audience within Indianapolis because their their cop situation
is arguably the worst in the league. Awesome, awesome stuff.
That's Jason lachhamp fur fam on social media like Twitter, Reads,
work at CBS Sports dot Com. We appreciate you putting
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the dogs away for us as well. Thanks for joining us.
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of the Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
get to the story of the day. Drew Brees puts
us on Instagram. I look forward to the grind and
the journey for the reward at the end will be
worth it. Love you hashtag who Dat Nation? Let's make
another run at it now. Drew Brees announces what we
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thought was kind of a bit of a foregone conclusion,
Like I don't think we thought he would definitely retire,
but this is this was a little bit of dragging
it out. He needed a little bit chance to recharge
and reevaluate, not just the kids he has. I'm sure
there was an offer to do television at some point.
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Their star players, Alvin Kamara, Cam Jordan's Michael Thomas all
under contract. This news essentially clears away for Teddy Bridgewater
to leave in free agency. Taysom Hill will remain as
the backup and the change of pace eventually becoming you know,
he's still the air apparent. He's a free agent, which
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means the Saints had the right to match. Although it's
gonna be really interesting. How do you you know what
what will his salary look like? Because I don't know
if he's a starter elsewhere, even though they believe he's
a starter. And it's gonna be curious to see how
he finished his career career because I feel like Drew
Brees is making a mistake. I feel like he's making
(01:52):
a mistake. I feel like he's chasing it. I feel
like he's running it back. Now, run that back is
an express and that comes from pickup basketball. Then you
guys play pick up basketball. When you play pick up basketball,
you know like, hey, we're gonna go play. All right,
let's go play. I grew up playing at Miles Square Park,
which in Found Valley, California, or playing at thirty eight Street,
(02:14):
which is a Newport Beach, californ just off the beach,
you know where then you go play. I've played games
at St. Joe's College in West Hartford or Connord High
School in West Hartford. And I think of all the
different places that we play pick up all twenty four
hour fitness Equinox or whatever, and it's great when you
have a group and you're on the text chain, like
all right, Sunday morning, Sunday morning, we're gonna play at
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Weston High School in Connecticut. That was That was the
the game. When I moved to Westward, Connecticut, there was
a game at Weston High School and actually had to
the two court deal, which I hate. Just play one court,
fifteen guys, let's rotate in whatever. But they had too
many guys on the email lest they played too And
there's nothing like running the winner's court. Like you run
(03:00):
the winner's court and then you get towards the end
and you keep you lose by a bucket and you
lose by a bucket, and it's like you started at eight,
it's like ten o'clock. You got a good sweat going.
You know, you're thinking about your day. You you loosen
up your shoes. You know, maybe you took your shoes off.
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You got a sweaty top on, you like take it off.
You put your T shirt on, you put your sweatshirt on,
getting ready to rock out the door, and there's like
nine guys on the court and they're shooting and they're
doing that, they're doing the count thing. A couple of
guys walk out of the gym and you realize there's like,
now either ten guys, maybe there's twelve guys in the gym,
but there's two guys that like, no, I have to
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go or my wife's gonna kill me. And you're sitting
there and you're saying to yourself, we should I want
to win that last game. I don't want to end
the loss. You know, the worst player in the court
just jumps up. He's a bank shot from three from
straight away, Like, I don't want to lose that way.
I want to win my last game. And all the
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guys come on black wa wa, Well, we'll play eleven
straight blay eleven straight, no by two's we'll get this
thing done. And you're like, all right, what the hell?
You start lacing back up your shoes, tie them up,
take off that sweatshirt, in a T shirt. I'm just
gonna play like this. Let's go, let's let's run. What
happens when you run it back? The game is never
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the same. It's usually sloppy. Somebody always gets hurt. I mean, look,
think about what happened with Brett Farve. And I know
Brett Farve thought about retiring three times. And it was
only the third or fourth time when Brad Childers went
and got him out of Mississippi and brought him up
to Minnesota. But they had lost in the NFC champion game.
Farvard thrown interception and they felt like they were closed.
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And the next year Farv gets hurt, his street comes
to an end and the metro Doome literally collapsed. That
actually happened. Like I can give you a bunch of
advice on pick up basketball, but the number one piece
of advices don't run it back at last game. Somebody
always gets hurt. You never leave with the same feeling.
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Even if you win the last game. You're like, man,
that was raggedy basketball. It's just not good. Now, maybe
he's thinking to himself, Tampa is still not there, Carolina
is rebuilding. You know, Atlanta is not any good. Our
division can be had. We get to the playoffs, it
gives it another shot. And you know, I mean, we
lose on a on a blown tackle two years ago
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in Minnesota on a blown call at home to the
Rams on what we think is a blown call in
overtime to the Minnesota Vikings. Where this close. Let's just
run it back, let's get to another super Bowl and
let's les let's let's end out on top. I don't know.
Running it back is a who And and Breeze hasn't
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been great at the end of the last couple of seasons,
just hasn't hasn't been great and seems to have faded.
And last year Teddy Bridgewater because he got hurt, got
to take over, so he should have been fresh. I
just look, I don't I would never tell a guy
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to retire because Drew Brees he didn't play as long
as he wants to play. And he plays in the dome,
he plays with a great coach, he's got a good team.
They're all in on him, like the whole thing. I
get it. You feel like you're that close, you keep
getting that close, you're knocking on the door. Let's kick
it in next year, okay, but you keep running it
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back and eventually, eventually it'll catch up to you. Eventually
somebody gets hurt that last pickup game and even when
you do win, it's like, yeah, I mean, I guess
Peyton Manning is the is the is the guy is
the reason, right because Peyton ran it back, wasn't even good,
lost the starting job, but he did win that last game.
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He did go out as a champion, right. But people
need to realize that that is the exception. It didn't
work that way for Brent Fave. That didn't you know, uh,
you know, I don't know what happens with Philip Rivers,
but consider the amazing season he had two years ago.
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This year he was a walking turnover. Eli Manning kept
coming back, trying, this is the year, we're gonna fix it.
We're gonna fix it. They couldn't fix Eli. He's going
to be in the Hall of Fame. He's a borderline
Hall of Fame quarterback. Eli Manning couldn't fix it himself.
It's a really hard thing to do. And and I
understand that Drew Brees is in a different situation than
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those two because he's coming back to the same team
and to a team that was really really good and
he wasn't bad, you know, considering um, you know, considering
he was hurt and he only played eleven games to
throw for nearly three thousand yards, to throw twenty seven
touchdown and only four interceptions. You know, you can't really
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find fault for a guy saying he's got But when
you think, thinking that long and hard legitimately about hanging
him up, I don't know. Running it back to me
sounds like the wrong plan feels like the wrong plan
feels like to me, you're chasing that one last victory
because you got a bad call or whatever. Last year.
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He is able to get some rest because of the
thumb injury that that end up kind of recharging him.
And even then, offensively they struggled against the Vikings. They
struggled late in the year. Year before, he seemed to
have a dead arm. Late You're not getting younger, You're
gonna get older. That arm will get heavier late in
the season. I just I know it's being met with
celebration because everybody, myself included, likes Drew Brees and you
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don't want him to whatever you do, you don't want
the last game to feel like a call decided who won.
And that's the way they feel. A bit or a
crazy play that last three years all craziness, But running
it back to the Dangerous Thing. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
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and the I Heart Radio app. I'm generally not affected
by what other people say, like I don't. I don't care.
I can form my I'm a big boy, I can
form my own opinion. I don't really, I honestly don't care.
On the other hand, as much as all of us
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want to to to make our own decisions, to judge
who we like, who we don't like, and what we
like on our own um, I would also kind of
point out at some point it will have an effect
on you, you know, whether it's a girl I don't know.
(09:53):
You know she used to date. I mean, we were
completely unfair as men. She used to date a lot
of guys in college. Like okay, well you date a
lot of girls in college. Why is that? Why does
that matter at all? But then all of a sudden,
you know, you sit down and you just start thinking,
You get thoughts, you get plan in your head, and
you can't get out of it. I feel like that's
where Joe Burrow is the girl in this case. Is
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uh is the Cincinnati Bengals. Enough people, you know enough people.
I keep telling him, you should pull an Eli. You
should pull an Eli. You should pull an Eli Manning. Right,
that's what people are telling him. I mean they're legit
telling him. Um, I mean Joe Burrow said, I do
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have leverage. No, no, you don't, dude. He went on.
The Bengals have their process. I have my process. We
haven't even gotten to the combine yet. There's a lot
of things that are happening leading up to the draft
and a lot of information gathered. Right now, I'm focused
on being the best football player I can be. I'm
in this unique spot. You can go watch film. I
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don't have to prove myself a Pro day at the combine.
Uh So, I'm in a unique spot where I can
focus on getting ready for the year. H Steve Barkowski
is a former first overall pick. He said, they're Ohio guys,
and I might have offended them by telling him, but
it's the Bengals. I think I'd pull an Eli Manning. Yeah.
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By the way, like the idea of the Eli Manning
who ended up going He's probably gonna go to the the
Hall of Fame. One too. It wasn't like it ended
up bad for Philip Rivers, like this is totally lost
in this thing, Like Philip Rivers end up just fine
in San Diego and in l A and wherever he plays.
You can play, you can play. But while people will
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point out in Cowards pointed out smallest scouting department in
the league, owned by an eighty two year old owner,
you know, an unproven code, which yeah, okay, I get
that fit does in fact matter, But you do have
you're gonna have a rebuilt offensive line, and you're gonna
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have Joe Mixon as a running back. And you'll see
if you have a j. Green. If you don't have
a j Green, you'll have You'll have plenty in his
in his place, you have others in his place. I
just but here's the biggest thing. The leverage that you
think you have you might have with thirty one other teams.
I don't believe you have with the Bengals. Joe Burrows
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twenty three years old. He's already sat out a couple
of years because ah, he red shirted and when he
was and didn't play when he was at Ohio State,
and he was clearly rusty last year when he played
and it took him while to get up to speed
and in a great year this year. Do you think
he wants to not play for a year. And you
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can tell me all you want about well, you know,
it's just all about leverage, Like he doesn't have any
leverage because this is not the team to mess with.
This is not the team that does that, cowards to it.
We also have to remember they got Jonah Williams who
didn't play last year. He was the um what was
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he like, the eleven pick in the draft of the Bengals,
Like they will rebuild the line. He's worked playing for
an offensive coach. I get and respect Carson Palmer. He
works out with Jordan Palmer. I'm sure Carson and Jordan
be like, man, you don't want to play there. But
do you know how long ago? How long ago do
you think it was that Carson Palmer played with the Bengals.
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Take take a guess, Ryan Music, without looking, it's gotta
be nine years ago. You're going nine almost over nine
years ago it was. He last played for the Cincinnati
Bengals in two thousand and ten. Now, the idea, he's
not wrong in many of his I mean, obviously he's
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not wrong because he lived it right. But he's not
wrong in that the Bengals still have some fundamental flaws
that that are a problem. You can't get away from him.
But it's also fair to point out that in that time,
in that time since Carson Palmer has been gone, they've
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been to the playoffs several times over, they've won the
division twice. You know, and Andy Dalton, who I think
we would all agree is a very average quarterback, very
average quarterback, as average as he is. You know, they
were kind of a perennial challenger to the Steelers and
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to the Ravens in a very difficult division. And you know, like, okay,
so these teams that need a quarterback need a quarterback
for a reason. You can sit here and tell me
he should pulling on Eli Manning. But who would be
the team that he would go to that be better
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The Miami Dolphins. Why are we convinced the Miami Dolphins
would be better? Explained to me, like somebody the Washington Redskins.
They they've been like, teams are bad for a reason,
bad for a reason. But the big thing is, you
can try that leverage thing with anybody It doesn't work
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with the Bengals because they don't care what you don't
like about them. There that they operate differently is in
their wives strength. And they're gonna draft you and sit
to you if you have to. They'll play the long game.
Don't believe me, look at their history. Be sure to
catch the live edition of The Doug gott Leaps Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. We're still
(15:50):
waiting to hear what happens with Tom Brady. We're gonna
have to wait till March. But Mark Mike Girardi, Patriots
inside for the NFL Network, said on Tom Brady, football
ops wants to know where his head is before free agency,
as they should. If Brady is inclined to leave or
draw this out. They don't believe that's the desire. The
Patriots could find themselves handcuffed in terms of player acquisition.
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The Patriots would have to absorb thirteen point five million
dollars in dead cap salary charge if Brady is not
on the roster when the two thousand and twenty league
year begins on March eighteen. Oh oh. Dead cap money
not good, not good, But they need to know right,
we need to know like are we going, we going?
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We have you, we're going for and if we're not
all right, then we'll have to figure it out. According
to CBS Sports, based on two thousand nineteen regular season records,
the Patriots have the most difficult schedule coming into next season.
Right yeah, the Bills twice, Jets twice, Dolphins twice. Both
Jets and Dolphins should be better. You can play the
(16:56):
Ravens at home, the Niners at home. You need to
go to the Chiefs, to the Seahawks, to the Texans,
and you're gonna play the Rams. You missed the playoffs,
but everyone expects them to be better. This is only
going to be It's only gonna go one of two ways. Right,
happy reunion, everyone on board throughout something on Instagram, I'm
(17:19):
coming back, or an ugly breakup. Ugly breakup, because if
it's an ugly breakup and he leaves and they tear
it down, yikes. Bills are playoff team. Josh Allen gonna
get better. Niners loaded, young roster, Ravens, very good roster,
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reigning MVP as quarterback, Chiefs, Seahawks, Texans, Rams, and I
think the Dolphins and the Jets will both be better.
And this is a really really interesting um dilemma, and
there really is, isn't. There's not a there's not a
(18:02):
nice way to end it. There's not the cordial Hey,
let's because you're leaving them in the you have the
potential to leave them in the lurch. You want to
wait till free agency, but they got to know about
free agency before free agency hits, so they know, Like,
you can't call guys and go like, hey, we want
to offer you a big deal, but only if we
have Tom Brady. Do you have Tom Brady? We have
(18:24):
no idea. And if they don't get Brady and they
don't spend a bunch of money on talented wide receivers
and they go and get any Dalton and draft a quarterback, Like, yikes,
there's a little of Lebron there where you hold a
team hostage and then you leave, and if you leave,
the team does poorly. And you're like, see I was
(18:47):
holding that thing together or or you held his hostage
and then you left, all right, you you gave you
gave us no other option but to tear it down.
If you leave, we we don't have a backup plan.
You were the one who said, you want to play
here forever. So we got rid of Jimmy Garoppolo. Now
(19:07):
you know what, I'm playing forever because our wide receivers
weren't good enough. That's not whatever is? Is that? Whatever is?
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joins his NFL insider All right, Jason, give me the
give me the what you know of now in terms
of Brady, Oh, nothing's really changed since the last time
we talked. I mean, and nothing is gonna change until
the combine or or you know a little bit after that. Um,
But he's going to play this out. He's going to
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see what what his best options are, who's really interested
in him, and what everybody has to offer. And the
process still hasn't even started yet, and it really legal,
we can't start until the middle of March. And you know,
I don't I don't think that he knows, um exactly,
you know, how long it will take or how many
teams he'll end up actually talking to, if not actually
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meeting with, which it remains to be seen whether he
feels the need to meet in person with people or not. UM,
in this day and age, with technology being what it is,
I don't know that. You know how imperative it is.
He's been in the league twenty years, you know whatever,
he knows what every stadium looks like. He has an
idea of you know who's training facilities, um, you know
who has what to offer. So I'm not sure at
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the end of the day, that's going to carry a
whole lot of weight with him, UM in terms of
actually being on site. But the Patriots don't know who
their quarterback is going to be next year, and it
might be UM more than a month before they do,
which which really hinders their ability to put together a
team or or work their free agency right. Well, I
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mean it complicates things, There's no doubt about that. I mean,
are they going to be completely changing their skim? What
is what is the um? What's the upside of the
next quarterback gonna be? Like? What are his strengths going
to be? Uh? They obviously need to upgrade that offense
no matter what, No matter who the quarterback is, UM,
they're not gonna be able to be a competitive football
team having that little to offer in terms of speed
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and and and you know, quick twitch and and I
mean there's no dynamic uh player, no dynamic school guy
in on their roster. I mean Edelman's you know, going
to move the change, but he's not gonna beat anybody physically.
They throw to James White alive and that's it. I mean,
those are the two guys here Brady trusted in that offense.
So yeah, the Patriots have their work cut out for
(21:39):
him regardless. Um, and and if again, if when they
re recruit Tom Brady, They're gonna have to have a
comprehensive plan. You know, it can't just be um, we're
just gonna roll the balls back out and keep doing
what we're doing, and you know, we're gonna pay you
more money and everything will be fine. I think it's
gonna have to be a little more holistic than Jason
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lamp Florid joining us on The Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Drew Brees today announces he's coming back,
which means Teddy Bridgewater will exit. Where does Teddy Bridgewater
where is he likely to go? I mean, I think
if Tom Brady does move on, I think Teddy Bridgewater
would make a lot of sense for the New England Patriots. Um.
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I think Teddy Bridgewater could make sense for the Chargers
if that's not where Tom Brady lands, um. And and
if they're you know, picking even if they pick a quarterback,
even if they take a Herbert, Uh, they're gonna want
to be competitive or at least, you know, attempt to
be competitive this year in that new stadium, fighting for
whatever market share they can attain. So I don't know
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that you know, putting Herbert in and letting him start
from day one, if that's where they're in position the
draft a quarterback makes sense. I think you could make
a case for Teddy Bridgewater there. Um, you know, the Raiders,
I don't. I don't know that. Um, he's the gun
slinger that John Oh, I'm sorry that John Gruden is
ultimately drawn to I'm not sure how much that's a
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fit a fit same thing with Tampa, you know, and
Bruce Arians. I think he wants a guy who's a
little more naturally inclined to push the ball downfield, maybe
a little more than Bridgewater. Um. You know, I We'll
have to see where some of these other dominoes fall.
But you know, I could see him as the you know,
the guy to take a shot replacing a Brady or
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Rivers Jason Lockham for our guests on The Dug Outlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, it's interesting because there's others.
There's there's there's Jamis, right, and and they they're noncommittal committal,
will just kind of see what's the feelings about Jameis
Winston and Tampa. Well, they're gonna have to, I mean,
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they're going to have to make a decision before free
agency starts. I mean, you know, the window will be
opening up here soon to use the franchise or transition
tag and if they don't use, you know, place that
on him, then he's gone. At the very least, have
the really to find out exactly what his market value
is and to talk to all thirty one teams. And
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I'm not sure that it comes to that because they
have to do their own mental calculus. And you know,
as Andy Dalton is trading a tour or three for
Andy Dalton, you know, and extending him for a year two,
giving him a Nick Foles contract, is that is that
better than tagging Jamis this year? And seeing what happens.
You know, Cam Newton is not being traded in that division, Uh,
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Derek Carr, I mean if if, if the Raiders move on,
I guess you know, I guess he's making you know,
he got him on a cheap contract at nineteen. I
don't know that he's Bruce Arians cup of tea. I
think the same reasons Gruden's frustrated with him, or why
Bruce Arians will look at him and say, I don't
think that's the long term answer. I don't think they're
drafting one. You know at fourteen three year probably already gone.
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Are they gonna move up to get somebody and mortgage
more of the future with a coach who was very
much year to year at this point. Um, you know,
I think once you start the Tom Brady, he's not
going to Tampa. I got news for you. So you
start going through the process of elimination. I don't know
where they upgrade off with Jamis Winston and all the
time and all the energy and all the money they've
spent on him to this point. Do you let him
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leave at age six and maybe prosperous somewhere else and
not having an upgrade in your back pocket yourselves. I
don't know that that makes a whole lot of sense
for them, And I also don't know how they upgrade
over him again, unless you're talking about trying to move
into the top five, and even then there's risk him off.
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That's the voice of Jason Lacamphora, who joins us from
a dog pound somewhere the mail. Yeah, I'm I'm sure,
I'm sure he loves you, all right? What about Philip Rivers?
Is it INDI your retire I think it's Indie or
or Tampa. You know, I think those are two teams. Well,
I don't think those are two teams. I know they
have done a lot of work on him. Um, but
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you know, again, he's probably costing you five You can
put a non exclusive tagleing Jamis, and he's eleven years younger,
and he has upside and let's be real, Philip doesn't anymore.
Does that make sense? So if Tampa goes ahead and
keeps Winston, then I think, yeah, it's probably Indianapolis or
I mean, something else might pop loose. But I don't
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know how lucrative it's going to be, and I don't
know that it's gonna fit what he's looking to do,
which is at least goes somewhere where you think the
team's got a chance to make the playoffs. And and
he's a guy who, at this stage of his career,
if he doesn't have something lined up early in free agency,
the longer he sits, uh, you know, the more you're
you're looking at a you know, a bridge contract more
than anything close to the kind of starting quarterback money
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he's used to making. I mean, look for at least
three are gonna go in the first round. Um, there's
been so many teams that have traded for signed or
drafted quarterbacks in the last two years that there's not
that many seats at the table. And there's more mobility,
uh than we've ever seen before or with again, all
these guys like a car, like a Dalton, like a
Newton on the trade market, you know, Bridgewater if some
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if somebody goes in the Aiannapolis, then brissets out there,
Jamis Mariota. Uh, there's so many options, so many different flavors,
guys at different stages of their career. Um, you know,
I I don't I don't know if I'm Philip Rivers
and I'm getting sniffed some Indianapolis. I'm gonna do what
I can to try to be their guy early on
in this process. Jason lockean for our guest in the
(27:28):
Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Likely to
Antonio Brown plays in the NFL next year, Oh boy,
nobody's signing him now. I mean with a six month
off season. Why would you you know, the league nobody's
signed him in season when he might have been a
difference between making a Super Bowl and not. The league
still hasn't clarified his status. I don't get the impression
(27:50):
from the league office that they're in any sort of
hurry to clarify his status. I mean, what Goodell will
talk next at the end of March at owners meetings there,
I doubt that there are you know, going to say that, yeah,
Antonio Brown is is is you know, reinstated and and
there's no contingencies you guys, you mean, look, you know
how to handle this stuff. I mean, they don't. They
(28:11):
don't do anything early in the off season, especially for
someone who's had this degree of trouble, because why would
you Something else happens and now you know you're you're
starting a whole another investigation. So does somebody sign him
three weeks two weeks a week before the started camp.
If if he stayed out of trouble and he's shown
real contrition and he's made changes in his life and
(28:33):
in terms of who he associates with and how he
comports himself, and and if he's getting you know, if
he's talking to some sort of trained professional about his behavior, um,
then then I'd never say never because the talents there.
But I can't imagine anybody really doing that until July. Yeah,
it would be hard to do, you know what I mean,
(28:54):
what's the game? Like? I just don't know, because he's
probably going to be suspended. I I just I don't
know if he ever plays football again, no matter how
much he apologizes, he just done so much damage to
himself and his brand. And and you know, when you
go after when you go after women, you know, on
social media, and you like, that's just we're in an
error where people don't where the NFL doesn't have an
(29:15):
appetite for it, no matter how talented you are. Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know. You know, we'll we'll see,
I mean may maybe things are changing to some degree,
But I've seen so many guys get get other opportunities,
and and look if the league had clarified his status
at all and and said, hey, we don't know enough
(29:37):
to suspend him, or hey we might suspend him, but
our investigations not gonna be done until the off season.
He would have he would have been he would have
been a Saint or a Patriot or something. Yeah, but
but he's not, which leads you believe there's something else coming,
or you know, maybe Greg Hardy got a second chance, dude.
So I mean, I'm just I'm just saying it, like
I don't but but he did. But it became it
(30:00):
became a disaster, right like I I mean, it became
a disaster. And I think that's what people are worried about,
is like, wait, he was, he was. There was a
different story every week with this guy for two months.
Now all of a sudden, now he wants to apologize,
and we're just supposed to forget about it. We forgot
about it for for a short period time with Greg Hardy,
and it ended up being worse, not better. And I
(30:21):
think smart people do learn from their mistakes. That was
clearly mistake. That's just for the Cowboys, but for the league. Yeah.
I mean we'll see, you know, long off season if
if if he gets in the good graces of the
league office and somebody is able to sign him for
a couple of million bucks, no frills, and it's all incentive,
you know, incentive bound, we'll see. I want to ask
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you about Joe Burrow. What's the what are you hearing
is the likelihood that that he he tries to pull
out Eli man. You know, I don't know that it
goes def con, but it's gonna be pretty clear throughout
this process that, um, there's other places that he would
prefer to be and that he has real reservations and
(31:04):
justifiably so about how badly that organization wants to win,
and how committed they are, and how they're going to
allocate resources and assets not just um throughout the roster,
but you know, upgrade and continue to upgrade facilities, UM,
you know, infrastructure, scouting technology. Uh, they're very much a
(31:27):
mon posh shop. And there's you know that quarter quarterbacks
and quarterback careers have gone to die there many times. UM,
A lot of guys who came into the league with
a lot of fanfare. So I understand where he's coming
from at the end of the day, did they come
out and say we absolutely positivity are not signing this
contract and get into a stair down with Mike Brown.
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That means it's not out of the roam of possibility.
I'll have to see how the interactions go. Obviously, the
Bengals are gonna have people to combine. Bengals will be
at his pro days. The Bengals are gonna want him
for you know, one of the twenty private visits that
you can have kids make. Uh and and there's ways
subtle and and overt to to send signals to that
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organization and to send signals to the other teams who
you think might might be inclined to come up to
one and get you. I would just say that costion
the Bengals to be open minded, um and and and
not fall into some of the traps that they've fallen
into in the past, which is we're old school, this
is how we've always done it. You know, nobody, no nobody,
(32:28):
you know, wins a stare down with Mike Brown and
and you know we'll take you to the mat because
you know, the draft, the sanctity of the draft triumphs overall.
Um He's not the only quarterback in the world. The
the hall that they might be able to get for
him could could could be absolutely massive. And this is
the year in which there are more quarterback options, as
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we were just talking about, than any year I can
think of before. And there is a generational quarterback coming
up with the first pick next year. Um, the Raiders
won't have their haul anymore. The Dolphins have spent a
lot of those picks. Um. You know, I Hey, I
think I think the Bengals should be open minded and
in terms of what they do with that pick because
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the trade there there might be a trade out there
that just impossible to say no to. And you shouldn't
say no just because you're philosophically opposed to making trades. No,
I agree with you. I think thet one other teams would.
I just don't think the Bengals willson to day Mike Brown.
You know what, Mike Brown's track record would tell you.
He's not gonna blink no matter what this kid does.
I just don't know that that's the right way to
(33:31):
approach this. Not I I agree with you, but we,
like you said, we're dealing mikerout Jason Lacking for a
CBS Sports joining us their NFL insider. Uh, you wrote
that both Mike Zimmer and Rick Spielman are perceive to
be on the hot seat because they're gonna they're gonna
hit salary cap hell after next season. So now teams
are gonna call and try and pluck off pieces. Do
you think Stefan Diggs is in the Vikings uniform game
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one next year? Probably not? Um, probably not. I mean,
and they might not be in salary cap hell right now,
but there's somewhere between purgatory and hell. Uh, they're in
a good spot. And and you know, under understandably so,
I mean, so much was made of the Cousins contract,
but that that you know, yeah, they spent a lot
of money on him, but they also spent a ton
of money to keep their own guys, and and they
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were you know, dolling out top of the market extensions
all over the place for two years. And now those
chickens are coming home to roost and there earn a
whole lot of playoff wins behind them. And I understand
the statement that ownership put out there. You know, when
the rumors were running hot and heavy about Zimmer in particular,
leading into the playoffs. Um, but until or unless they
(34:33):
get extensions and real extensions, not one year extensions, then yeah,
the rest of the league is gonna be looking at
that like, hey, um, those guys look like they're in
a pretty desperate situation and let's see what we can get.
There's no where they're gonna be able to keep this
whole team together. Um, some guys will be cut, some
guys will be traded, but they're going to have to
you know, repackage and move some move some things around
(34:55):
just to have enough cat flexibility to get through a season.
I'm very interested to see, you know, who stays and
who goes. But I mean a guy like Karl Rudolph,
he really came on last year, but I mean you
you drafted his replacement. I don't know if they're gonna
be able to carry Klin Rudolph and Lyndell Joseph's a
nice player. I don't know that they're going to be
able to carry him at twelve million. And if you
if you start you know, extending guys and you know
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guys now who are going to a third contract, then
you really get yourself in trouble. So yes, they will
be a team that a lot of clubs and agents
won an audience within Indianapolis because their their cop situation
is arguably the worst in the league. Awesome, awesome stuff.
That's Jason lachhamp fur fam on social media like Twitter, Reads,
work at CBS Sports dot Com. We appreciate you putting
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the dogs away for us as well. Thanks for joining us.
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