February 21, 2020 • 32 mins
With Doug off, Dan Beyer and Jonas Knox fill in to weigh in on the CBA negotiations and explain why the MLBPA is better than the NFLPA. Dan explains why the Sixers "Process" has run its course and Jonas previews Wilder vs Fury II.
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NFL labor agreement as anything, but we knew that the
owners yesterday. Heck, we had breaking news during our show
Jonas as we were sitting in for Doug that the
owners had approved the latest proposal in their negotiations with
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the players Association. But now we've come to find out
that the NFL Players Association Executive Council UM, a group
of eleven players, has voted six to five against accepting
this latest proposal. Now that doesn't really shoot a proposal down.
Doesn't say that there is going to be no labor
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agreement under these current terms, because there's more steps. But
right now it looks like that the Players Association will
not agree to the current terms that the owners agreed upon. Yeah,
and so This is like negotiating if you're buying a
car or if you're at a garage sale. There's a
back and forth you're determining. You know, it's like fantasy football, Dan.
I mean, I'm sure you know you back in the day,
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like you know, I really shouldn't do this, Dan, But
I'll tell you what. I'll give you, Zach Crockett, you
give me Peyton Mannett and then somebody. You would dupe
somebody into doing it. The players weren't gonna get duped
this time, and so they didn't like it. J. J.
Watt spoke out on Twitter. He said totally against it.
Richard Sherman spoke out also said he's totally against it.
And so here we are. There's gonna be a back
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and forth. There's also an element to this that I
was reading to where it said the owners can just
decide to go with a previous um agreement and throw
it out there and say, all right, well, then just
go with this. And it could have been one of
the previous negotiated terms or negotiated cbas that they threw
out that maybe was less beneficial to the players, and
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and they can in essence lock the players out If
they don't agree to that, that's drastic measures. That's down
the road. But as it stands right now, they've got
work today and and there is this current agreement that
is in place at this minute goes through next season,
so they're season is going to be here. The issue
that I see, Jonas, is how different the owners and
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players Association are in working with each other. And the
reason I say that it's not just because of you
only have what thirty two owners that will weigh in
and be able to vote, and you have hundreds of
players in the National Football League. But the owners also
needed three quarters of approval to pass what they thought
was what they approved of their proposal. You needed three
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fourths of the vote they got that this players, this
Executive Council vote is six to five. If it was
eleven to one or ten to one, if the eleven
person nine to two, eleven to nothing, then it's telling me,
you know what, it's a bad deal. But if there
are five guys saying like this is good enough for
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us to pass, and this is good enough to accept,
so there's one person that seems to be standing in
the way of this passing, tells me how far apart
and maybe how fractured this players Union is and shows
why they never can get anything their way when it
comes to labor negotiations. Well, it's it's funny because remember
a couple of years ago. I can remember being at
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the Mayweather McGregor fight. Fox Sport Radio did a lot
of coverage of that fight and one of the guests
that was on was Mark Schlaret. And Mark Schlareth just
went in on the Players Association and said, yeah, they're
talking about, Oh, we don't like the cb A. We're
not happy with this, we don't like that. He's like,
you could have done something at the last labor negotiations
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and you didn't. You settle for less practice time. Because
that was back then when you know, players felt like
they were getting wrong. The Kaepernick stuff was out there,
all of that, and we just kept hearing over and
over again. Man, there's gonna be a lockout. There's gonna
be another lockout. You just watch and see fast forward
two years later, all of a sudden, gambling money starts
flowing extra money in the league six to five. You know,
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maybe we like it made a little more than we thought.
It's just it's funny how they take this hard stance
a couple of years ago, and then the time comes
and all of a sudden they see the possibilities as
far as financials go, and they go, it's not so bad.
Well yeah, And I look at it as with with
with the Players Association. They they've gotten to your point
of accepting the bad deals. And as Mark Slareth pointed out,
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it's not like you can make that up in the
next negotiation. You're not like, all right, now we're gonna
make it. Make enough sleep if you if you get
two hours sleep one night, people are like, all right,
I'll just sleep fourteen the next and that will give
me by eight and eight because that makes sixteen. Isn't
worked that way, That's not how it's I I look
at it as the game of war with cards, like
once you lose an ace, you're probably done. Like you know, no,
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all of sudden you've got twelve cards, then you've got seven.
Now your highest card is a jack of clubs, and
you're pretty much done. That seems to be what happens
in the negotiations of giving back and forth. The The
thing that I have heard from NFL insiders, whether that
come on this show and and talk about these labor situations.
Is that if and I'm just using names here, I'm
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not using them for accurate examples, but the cream of
the crop players, the Aaron Rodgers, the Tom Brady, the
the Patrick Mahomes, the guys who are going when Patrick
Mahomes gets his contract, the Drew Brees. When those guys
would say, hey, we're willing to sit out and sacrifice
our thirty million, the Russell Wilson's thirty five million, then
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you've got something. But when you don't have the top
of your leadership doing that, it sets a uh. If
they're not willing to lose their money, there's nothing that
you're gonna be able to stand for and sit out
and and and then there's there's another point of this
is when you have a six to five vote that
you had and there was a report that came out
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within the last twenty four hours that if an agreement
was was made, the new CBA would allow the players
to get an extra one million dollars, which is what
sixty thou dollars to to per player. Think about the
guy whose career is going to end at the end
of the season, like he's the guy where yes, I'd
love that sixty seven package. Yes, absolutely, that's more than
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I'm not going to get this opportunity where that you
have a top tier player like the quarterbacks that I mentioned.
Because on the other side of the coin, they're like, well,
what is what does sixty dollars mean to me? You
know in the short term, and plus I'm gonna be
playing ten more years. But for the guy whose career
ends after or the guy whose career ends after one,
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that means a lot. And that just sheds more light
on the reason why there's a six to five vote
and it's not so one sided one way or the
other for the players Union, and that to me is
their biggest problem. And if you're a player that's coming
up for a contract this offseason, guys, let's just keep
it cool here. Let's just we don't need any issues.
We don't want any problems because you're trying to get paid.
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Like when you have this idea that there's an actual union,
not there is in name, but not really because it's
made up of a bunch of individuals who are looking
out for themselves. You know, those players union are their family,
the people they got to take care of. So a
lot of these guys, I get it. They don't really
give a crap whether or not somebody else is getting burned.
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It's it's survival of the fittest. They want to make
their money, and they want to be rewarded financially to
the up to the best of their ability, so they
can take care of their family. This whole idea of
a union and all this like the fact that it
came back six to five shows you that. I mean,
if I'm an owner and I see it came back
six to five, I'm like, fist bump in the other
it is okay, sure you won't be back. Sure, okay,
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when do we give them bonus pay? Like this? This
is exactly why when when players in Major League Baseball
came out and are ripping other players, it's exactly why
I'm thinking of myself. You know what, the reason those
players got immunity is because of that players association. That's
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a player's association, a players association that not only will
support you and defend you, but if you cheat, you
don't even have to talk about it, Like you don't
even have to get punished about it. Like none of
that stuff goes on the record, None of it. You
don't get punished nothing, You get full immunity. That's a
player's association. But you gotta be willing to make the
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ultimate sacrifice in order to get what you want. They
gave up a World Series, like they said, you know what,
we don't like it, and I know fans aren't gonna
be happy with this, but we're done, we're out. I
know my brother was a die hard Cincinnati Reds fan,
and to this day he doesn't watch baseball because of
what happened back in ninety four. Like he sword off
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what I think staying basically that's a good point. Yeah,
and I don't I don't think he wanted he wanted
to start of this year, though, I don't think he
wanted to stick around for the Homer Baily years. So
so it just it strikes me as you're seeing play
out in two different sports. One players association shows real
strength and gives their players immunity, and the other one maybe,
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I mean, maybe we like it, maybe we don't. Some
guys are going to be rewarded and some guys aren't.
It just it, but the idea that everybody's on the
same page, I just don't bother and I mean, in
their defense, it's easier to get thirty two guys on
the same page than it is to you know, get five,
whatever the number is. But the point is is they're
still just so fraction and that just just a vote
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of the eleven guys, just eleven guys are basically fifty
fifty against. It shows how much the owners are winning
and the players will end up probably losing again, but
you'll get that light restriction on marijuana. No games missed.
You mentioned yesterday about the expanded rosters. That's a part
of it. I talked about the commissioner's powers. Those are lessened,
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that's all involved. Those are all wins for players that
have absolutely zero effect on the owners of their bottom line.
I love. I wonder how many of the players out there.
It's like it's like when you go to apply for
a new job and they're like, oh, one of the
perks here is that you get three smoke breaks an hour. Okay,
what about the people that don't smoke? What are the
person for me? It's like, I love, I love the
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guys who don't smoke weed, Like, oh, so we're gonna
be a little more lenient in the testing. Cool. I
don't smoke weed to be so what does that do
for me? Like not everybody's on the same page. I
love the smoke. I'm going for a walk. You can't.
You can't leave your pros. I'm going for a smoke. Okay,
So you know what, sex, I'm going to the bank.
Like everybody's got an excuse. It's ridiculous, all right. Dan
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Buyer Jonahs knocks in for Doug Gottlieb here on Fox Sports.
I'm gonna take a okbreak. Sorry to Dan. You can
get by the way. You can get Dan on Twitter.
At Marlborough is where you can find Dan Buyer in
the Marlboro Man. When I was eight, Yeah, no, no, okay,
I'm gonna say. I was gonna say my mom dress
me up as a bum too. I hated at kindergarten.
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I liked it. It was awesome. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the Heart Radio app. The seventies Sixers last night
picked up whatever the Brooklyn Nets in overtime and in
a game that I will point out because I am
our resident Ben Simmons hater here at Fox Sports Radio
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that they won without Ben Simmons. And not only can
I say that the Sixers won without Ben Simmons, Joel
Embiid had arguably his best game of the nine NBA season.
And what last night showed me onus is the process
as we know it. We had Rick bucheron I believe
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recently and we asked him who's to blame for what's
going on with the Sixers, and his comment was actually
Sam Presty, the guy who ends up starting what the processes,
and the process seems to have come to. I think
Jonah's a completion because there are more and more reports
out now that the Sixers likely or it could be
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moving one of the two, and in fact a reports
that pulled some NBA executives this from ESPN saying that
quote this from Tim Bontemps of ESPN. There was no consensus,
but league execs think that if the Sixers to explore
trade and be it is more likely to be moved,
health being the determining factor in building around Simmons, and
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that I don't think as much of a surprise from
what we've heard as of late, but it it says
a lot. And what I think last night said a
lot was my whole thing with with Ben Simmons is
I've just always felt that Joel Embiad was just such
an extremely superior basketball player, and we're putting them on
the same level, and we're putting them on the same
level in this we are taking we are we are trading,
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talking about trading a guy who was a number one
to keep a perceived number one who's a really number two.
And it seems like they can't coexist. And last night,
to me was the perfect example of why they can't
co exist. Joel Embiid, who's complained throughout this season and
it's got people on his back, his mad comments about
him standing up by the three point line last night,
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thirty nine point sixteen rebounds without Ben Simmons. The fact,
the the fractures, the tension, everything that we perceived to
be there, I think is and I think last night's
performance showed. Doug gott Leeba said on this show and
other shows on Fox Sports Radio that Joel Embiad might
be the most skilled player in the league, in the world,
and he's got a legitimate argument when you look at
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just what he's able to do at his side. He
can handle the ball, he can shoot and put him
at the foul line. Latent games, he's gonna he's gonna
hit his free throws. He plays defense like he's that good.
But the injuries are a concern, And if you were
to just look in that and look long term, you
would say, Okay, it makes the most sense trading away
Joel embiad as opposed to Ben Simmons. My biggest issue
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with Simmons, and and maybe it's not an issue, but
you just hear enough talk and enough people have conversations,
and it's just there's always been a little diva aspect
to Ben Simmons. It's always been there, you know, when
you see other players around the league that have an
issue shooting, but improve and put the work in to
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become a better shooter, whether it's Lonzo Ball or any
of these other guys that have struggled from behind the
arc or have struggled with their jump shot, like Ben
Simmons just either either hasn't or just doesn't want to
implement it in games, which is weird. And I don't
know if it's just he prefers to be a stat
stuff or elsewhere as opposed to take shots from the outside.
But there is this weird dynamic there. And look what
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what team last year in the NBA could you describe
as talented but dysfunctional and ultimately came up short of
their goal. Well, the Boston Celtics, right as far as
like just but but I'm just and and I didn't
mean to throw you on the spot there, but it
was more. You see, last year, the Celtics had all
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this talent and all these players, and it just never
felt right and it always seemed a little off. And
even this year, Al Horford, who's the common denominator between
last year's Celtics team and this year's Sixers team, said,
and maybe wasn't trying to be this honest, but said,
we got locker room issues. They're never going to get
to their ultimate goal A because they're not as good
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as Milwaukee, but be I don't know if they like
each other like and that's and that's the biggest issue
in Philly and and in that and that can go
two ways, and I'll take it that way. The part
of the process and which goes around the entire n
B A of tanking and teams trying to get the
top picks so much so they changed the lot y.
They probably should have done more drastic changes. But the
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point is is that the NBA realized, alright, teams are
tanking here. We've got to do something about it. The
Philadelphia seventy Sixers were the poster the poster child of tanking.
And you look at the other options or the other
places where this went on. The Lakers, for example, with
their top picks. It the Sixers actually hit on their
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guys now now when beat felt to them because of
injury issues, But when you look at it, they could
have had Jabari Parker Andrew Wiggins, and instead they get
Joel Embiad. Now you look back, sure, the Bucks and
and uh, Cavaliers, Timberwolves, however you want to do it
would end up doing and saying, all right, we take
Joel Embiid. You know, we'd rather have Joel Embiad at
that point. But it also shows you at how difficult
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it is because not only are you taking guys in
consecutive drafts with high picks, they are high picks for
a reason, and they have what you mentioned, an ego.
There's something about them. The media is fawning over Ben
Simmons when his own coach can't even get him to
shoot threes in a game, something that his coaches asked
him to do. Joel Embiata said, I gotta stand out
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on the three point line because this guy does it.
The most telling stat last night for me was that
Joel Embiid, who has attempted at three in every game
he's played this season, attempted one last night. That was it.
That's all the attempted. There were only five other games
this season where he's attempted won three. And he did
it with Ben Simmons on the court. You know who
else was on the court, DeAndre Jordan's. So you're talking
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about NBA going small, here's the team with an actual center,
and Joel Embiid went adam and and had thirty nine
in sixteen. Like that tells me everything I need to
know about the Philadelphia seventy six. Philly has got the
best home record in the league. And that's impressive. There
twenty six and two at home. And to me, when
you're at home and you're sleeping in your own bed
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and it's your own you know environment and all that,
like that, that tells me Okay, that's a talented team.
They have the same road record as the Knicks, and
the Nicks are the laughing stock of the league. That
tells me when they get out from their own environment
and they've got to be around each other more, they
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don't like each other like they're they're they they're honest
to god. The Sacramento Kings have a better road record
then the Sixers, Like it's just the splits. If you
look at their defensive efficiency, they're one of the better
defensive teams in the NBA at home, and then they
get on the road and it's like they do a
complete one eight and they turn into this other team.
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That tells me, no matter what talent there is on
the floor and how much and you can stack them
up against Milwaukee and it's very comparable as far as
talented players in the Eastern Conference. But there's a reason
they're at where they're at, and there's a reason they
struggle in road environments when you've got to be around
each other, when you gotta travel with each other. Like
everybody knows is there are certain friends that you have
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that they they're good friends, and then there's certain friends
that you can be around on a road trip with
or vacation with. And you don't know that until you
get around him. You see all their idiosyncrasies, all the
little stuff that annoys you. I don't think these guys
like each other. I don't think it's the it's a
locker room that gets along all that well. Or maybe
it's just one player like it was last year in Boston.
But I don't see it working man. Yeah, and I
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don't either. And it's amazing when you hear the report
that we mentioned about the executives taking Joel embiids injury
history is being a reason. I mean, imagine giving Ben
Simmons more power. I know. I mean because right now
he's not doing what his coach had asked him to
do this season. There's how many articles do we see
of him trying to get back with Kendall Jenner and
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trying to do this and that. There's never that's understandable.
You don't. I've never seen I've never seen a video
of Ben Simmons two hours after a game shooting threes
in an arena. Never, not once. I've never seen it
two hours before a game of Ben Simmons doing that
and doing work by himself. If they don't have basketball
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hoops at Master of Steakhouse, that's that's fair enough that
everybody knows that they don't have him at the Clevelander.
How is that thumbs upper thumbs? I guess somebody asked
me for blow not bad, not bad, so I obliged.
He find it. I just find it amazing that the sixers,
and it shows that the process is going to end
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up being a failure. You're not gonna have a title.
I don't know if you'll get a Conference finals appearance
out of this, but it's coming to an end, and
it's coming to an end soon. And what's even more
amazing to me is that listen, Joel and beats not perfect,
but there's enough of his game there that if you
have the seventies six is and I mean, there aren't
a lot of guys in the NBA who can do
what he can do. And I know there aren't a
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lot of guys that are six ten that play the
point guard position, but Ben Simmons really isn't a point guard.
He doesn't shoot the ball. He could really only go
one way, and he gets a majority of his points
and dunks like like that. That's that's what it is.
Yet that somehow wins over someone who was uber talented
and Joel embiid because of an injury history sort of thing,
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the number two ends up getting to stay in Philadelphia,
and that's amazing. I would love to hear Jimmy Butler's
thoughts on on what Philadelphia was like. I would love
I would love to hear if you were to ask you,
because I'll be willing to bet anything right now. If
you were to ask Jimmy Butler, who do you ride
with Ben Simmons or Joel Embid, he would say embiide guaranteed.
So I just think a lot of people are are
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rubbed the wrong way by Ben Simmons, and that's why
more people favored Joel Embi despite the health concerns moving forward,
and he saw it with the Instagram post when Jordan
became the villain and Jimmy Butler chimes in. Be sure
to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show
week days at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. You
gotta big fight you're interested in this weekend? Let me
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just tell you, Dan, Yeah, it's not even now, there's
just you love golf, right there's certainly like golf just
revs your engine, right, there's but about it like boxing,
mm a just revs my engine. It's one of my
the things that I that I really enjoy. Football is obviously,
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you know, near the top of the list, but like
it's this little niche thing that I always just grew
up on and I loved it. And so we got
like the biggest heavyweight boxing match in years and years
and years now, all the hype and all these Johnny
Come Lately. He's no offense to Ramos, but all these
Johnny Come Lately's that are now all of a sudden
talking boxing like they know what the hell they're talking about.
First of all, where you've been the last twenty years,
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there's been some great classic fights in the lower weight classes.
Don't be lazy, pay attention and do your research. It's
like the people that I only watched the Major's dan
when it comes to golf. Come on, man, how many
Masters experts there are on the back nine on Sunday
at a guest Oh, It's ridiculous. So so it's gonna
be really frustrating watching Fury Wilder too, because I'm gonna
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try not to go on social media. I'm trying not
to go on Twitter. I'm getting back from a a
sort of a marriage thing that we got to do
a course for marriage is class on Saturday, and immediately
going like it's funny. She threw out there were going
to church afterwards. Yeah, that's that's funny. That's a good one.
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I know. Fury Wilder two is happening. So there's zero shot.
So what is your finishes up at five? The fight
starts at six, should be good to go now. I
don't even mentioned like Paul Felder, Dan Hooker, uh fighting
in the UFC. I mean that is I mean you
talk about just I just sanctioned violence. But so here's
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the here's the problem I have. One of the great
traditions going into fights is the face off after the
way in both fighters get to face off and it's all,
you know, for show, but it's sort of tradition, and
if you're a traditional issue like all the pomp and
circumstance that goes along with it. The Nevada State at
Athletic Commission has banned Fury and Wilder from facing off
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coming up in in a little less than an hour
from now. They're not letting it happen because they shoved
each other at the last time they had a face off,
and so at the risk of injury, we can't let
them face off again. Do you think these guys are
really going to jeopardize the millions and millions of dollars
that are gonna come with it on a face off push.
It was my understanding, and you can correct me if
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I'm wrong, But it's not like these guys are arch
rivals and they get along. They're very respectful. A lot
of this is, you know, Tyson Fury called Deontay Wilder, um,
you know the P word. Yeah, yeah, pretty, you know.
I mean there's there's you know, and and so it
has gotten uh like Tyson Fury made a Yo Mama
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crack the other day. Like I mean, this is like,
this is popsicle stick humor. Like when you bought popsicle
sticks and there was a joke and you had to
eat the popsicle to see what the punchline was. This
is popsicle stick humor. It's not a big deal. These
guys are businessmen. They understand what's at stake here, and
they realize if we have another even okay fight this
time around there's gonna be a trilogy, and that's when
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you really start making real money to where these guys
can make hundreds of billions of dollars on a three
fight series. They're not going to ruin it the day
before after a rough training camp by by shoving each
other at the way in and letting it get real violence.
Is there is there a way where maybe even the
Nevada Athletic Commission is saying, all right, let's let's like
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ramp this a little bit. I thought of that too,
and I thought, Okay, maybe the Nevada State Athletic Commission
is trying to to build you know, Oh it's that
it's that contentious that we can have these guys face off.
But why would the Athletic Commission do that? I feel
like Fox or ESPN would pull something like that, like
they would be involved in like I gotta keep these
guys away. Look, it's tradition. Uh. There are certain traditions
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and certain sports that when they happen, you're just you know.
It's why I don't want to ever loose the kickoff
in football. That's tradition to me. The game starts with
a kickoff. You can modify it. All you want, the
xfls modifying it, But there's something about seeing guys lineup
on the kickoff that signals the start of something, and
the face off at the weigh ins is sort of
the start of a fight, and it feels like they're
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getting involved and being way too overly cautious and sensitive
and getting rid of it. So who should have won
the first fight? In your mind? Fury? Okay, so a
Fury wins this one? Why why would there be a
need for a third even though the first one was
a draw? That if if, if, if Fury was thought
to be the winner in the first two, why would
you need to do it? It wasn't clear cut that
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Fury was the winner. In my mind, Tyson Fury won
the fight. I had him winning by a couple of points.
How that he was well up in the scorecards going
into the last round when he was knocked down. But
to some people, well, the more more punishing shots were
from Deontay Wilder, So you score the fight for people
like to use this, who would you rather be in
that round? Like, well, I don't want to be either
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one of because I don't want to get hit in
the face. So so what are we talking about here,
and and if you just were to go back and
score the fight, it's clear the better boxer, the better
technical boxer is Tyson Fury. The punchers Deontay Wilder, who
you and I actually interviewed, if you remember, on the air,
and kind of a regrettable move by us because he
played at Alabama. He was a football player at Alabama.
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And listen, I'm not going to take blame for this.
I think it was your idea before we brought him
on to play the kick six back Auburn beating Alabama.
I don't know if you remember that. Psych don't. I'm
not trying to. And if I would have known how
hard he punched at that time, I probably wouldn't have
let Dan make that move. I probably wouldn't. So I
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really don't remember what happened, But I don't think that
would be me. Happens to the best of us. What
makes you more mad on Twitter? Because because there are
things that I know get under my skin when watching
a golf tournament, they are usually the ones that I
forward you, Well, this is what I love is and
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I'm going to use an example of somebody who will
who will tweet out killer right from Fury, which to
me is basically just bragging that they bought the fight,
like they're trying to shift off that. Look, I have
this extra money and I paid for it and you
didn't see it, so I've got Does that make you
more mad or does it make you more angry when
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someone goes, I got a ten nine Fury in the
second um the scoring, I don't mind. It's when the
fight is over all the people that are trying to
break down why it is they scored it the way
they scored it, When when I can tell obviously the
first four words of their tweet, they have no idea
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what they're talking about, and it bothers me. It bothers
me that all of a sudden, everybody's got a journal
entry and they want to expose it to the world
on these new sports that they've never taken the time
to watch. They don't know any Tyson Fury could walk
up to him with a name tag this is Tyson
Fury and they'll ask, do you play in the G League?
Like they have no idea who these guys are. So
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it bothers me when you when you care about something
and you're passionate about it, and somebody jumps in to
try and have a conversation about what it is that
you're watching. That's why I'll always send Dan tweets from
random people when there's a big golf tournament on, because
I know it annoys you. Well, yeah, like you'll see
stuff and in Masters fans will understand this, but people
will be like, man, awful, awful bogey there for Jason
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Day at ten, like tense, like one of the toughest
holes that there is, and he was in the trees
off of his drive, so he basically saved bogey, didn't
put it in the pond to the left. So you're
so you're happy, you know, excuse me at at eleven.
So so you're you're you're happy with that. If you
could get through ten and eleven and you play one
over par, you're fine. But people who are like, yeah,
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awful bogey on ten or awful bogey on on eleven,
and then you're like, okay, lot, like you know what,
it's it's actually good to salvage bogey on eleven because
he was in so much trouble. He's still have thirteen
and fifteen ahead. It's like, what are you know, what,
what are you talking about be the same thing. And
the reason I bring up the scoring is because you
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really don't know. I don't think that people to your
point of how they try to judge where it's just
ten nine, Like I would just put ten nine if
nobody got knocked down and and and maybe I wouldn't
even be able to tell who blocked one and that's
the most effective ones. But I just wouldn't put myself
out there to think that I could actually judge a box.
And that's the thing. And people like I was scoring
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the John Jones Dominic Reis fight and I had it,
but it could have gone three two to raise. I
had it four to one for dominic Reis, and then
the scorecards came back and John Jones won the fight,
and people are tweeting me, so you have no idea
what you're talking about. Or the judge who scored it
got ripped to shreds because they scored it incorrectly. And
and majority of people agree that Dominic Gray has won
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the fight. But the biggest problem when you're scoring a
fight live, and I've done it live, and this is
what a lot of people do that cover boxing. What
they'll do is they'll do it three times. They'll score
the fight live, they'll keep their scorecard. Then they'll go
home and they'll score the fight by watching it on TV.
And then they'll turn the volume off on the TV
and scored a third time. It's completely different. And so
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the idea that in the midst of this arena, with
all these loud fans and all everybody going oh and over,
every shot, even if it's a glancing blow, doesn't have
an impact on a judge. It has to. It's human nature.
Like you're you're getting caught up in the moment and
all the sounds and sights behind you. The one thing
that's gonna bother me is if the fight isn't as
good or if there's a bad scoring at the end,
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somebody's gonna send this tweet and I can guarantee it.
This is why boxing is a dying sport. Yeah, that's
a dying sport, man. I wouldn't want to get involved.
By the way, Tyson Deonte, can I borrow your W twos?
Let me let me see what's up. Let me see
how many zeros on that W two dying sport? Kiss
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of the Doug Gottli Show on Fox Sports Radio. The
NFL labor agreement as anything, but we knew that the
owners yesterday. Heck, we had breaking news during our show
Jonas as we were sitting in for Doug that the
owners had approved the latest proposal in their negotiations with
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the players Association. But now we've come to find out
that the NFL Players Association Executive Council UM, a group
of eleven players, has voted six to five against accepting
this latest proposal. Now that doesn't really shoot a proposal down.
Doesn't say that there is going to be no labor
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agreement under these current terms, because there's more steps. But
right now it looks like that the Players Association will
not agree to the current terms that the owners agreed upon. Yeah,
and so This is like negotiating if you're buying a
car or if you're at a garage sale. There's a
back and forth you're determining. You know, it's like fantasy football, Dan.
I mean, I'm sure you know you back in the day,
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like you know, I really shouldn't do this, Dan, But
I'll tell you what. I'll give you, Zach Crockett, you
give me Peyton Mannett and then somebody. You would dupe
somebody into doing it. The players weren't gonna get duped
this time, and so they didn't like it. J. J.
Watt spoke out on Twitter. He said totally against it.
Richard Sherman spoke out also said he's totally against it.
And so here we are. There's gonna be a back
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and forth. There's also an element to this that I
was reading to where it said the owners can just
decide to go with a previous um agreement and throw
it out there and say, all right, well, then just
go with this. And it could have been one of
the previous negotiated terms or negotiated cbas that they threw
out that maybe was less beneficial to the players, and
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and they can in essence lock the players out If
they don't agree to that, that's drastic measures. That's down
the road. But as it stands right now, they've got
work today and and there is this current agreement that
is in place at this minute goes through next season,
so they're season is going to be here. The issue
that I see, Jonas, is how different the owners and
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players Association are in working with each other. And the
reason I say that it's not just because of you
only have what thirty two owners that will weigh in
and be able to vote, and you have hundreds of
players in the National Football League. But the owners also
needed three quarters of approval to pass what they thought
was what they approved of their proposal. You needed three
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fourths of the vote they got that this players, this
Executive Council vote is six to five. If it was
eleven to one or ten to one, if the eleven
person nine to two, eleven to nothing, then it's telling me,
you know what, it's a bad deal. But if there
are five guys saying like this is good enough for
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us to pass, and this is good enough to accept,
so there's one person that seems to be standing in
the way of this passing, tells me how far apart
and maybe how fractured this players Union is and shows
why they never can get anything their way when it
comes to labor negotiations. Well, it's it's funny because remember
a couple of years ago. I can remember being at
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the Mayweather McGregor fight. Fox Sport Radio did a lot
of coverage of that fight and one of the guests
that was on was Mark Schlaret. And Mark Schlareth just
went in on the Players Association and said, yeah, they're
talking about, Oh, we don't like the cb A. We're
not happy with this, we don't like that. He's like,
you could have done something at the last labor negotiations
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and you didn't. You settle for less practice time. Because
that was back then when you know, players felt like
they were getting wrong. The Kaepernick stuff was out there,
all of that, and we just kept hearing over and
over again. Man, there's gonna be a lockout. There's gonna
be another lockout. You just watch and see fast forward
two years later, all of a sudden, gambling money starts
flowing extra money in the league six to five. You know,
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maybe we like it made a little more than we thought.
It's just it's funny how they take this hard stance
a couple of years ago, and then the time comes
and all of a sudden they see the possibilities as
far as financials go, and they go, it's not so bad.
Well yeah, And I look at it as with with
with the Players Association. They they've gotten to your point
of accepting the bad deals. And as Mark Slareth pointed out,
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it's not like you can make that up in the
next negotiation. You're not like, all right, now we're gonna
make it. Make enough sleep if you if you get
two hours sleep one night, people are like, all right,
I'll just sleep fourteen the next and that will give
me by eight and eight because that makes sixteen. Isn't
worked that way, That's not how it's I I look
at it as the game of war with cards, like
once you lose an ace, you're probably done. Like you know, no,
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all of sudden you've got twelve cards, then you've got seven.
Now your highest card is a jack of clubs, and
you're pretty much done. That seems to be what happens
in the negotiations of giving back and forth. The The
thing that I have heard from NFL insiders, whether that
come on this show and and talk about these labor situations.
Is that if and I'm just using names here, I'm
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not using them for accurate examples, but the cream of
the crop players, the Aaron Rodgers, the Tom Brady, the
the Patrick Mahomes, the guys who are going when Patrick
Mahomes gets his contract, the Drew Brees. When those guys
would say, hey, we're willing to sit out and sacrifice
our thirty million, the Russell Wilson's thirty five million, then
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you've got something. But when you don't have the top
of your leadership doing that, it sets a uh. If
they're not willing to lose their money, there's nothing that
you're gonna be able to stand for and sit out
and and and then there's there's another point of this
is when you have a six to five vote that
you had and there was a report that came out
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within the last twenty four hours that if an agreement
was was made, the new CBA would allow the players
to get an extra one million dollars, which is what
sixty thou dollars to to per player. Think about the
guy whose career is going to end at the end
of the season, like he's the guy where yes, I'd
love that sixty seven package. Yes, absolutely, that's more than
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I'm not going to get this opportunity where that you
have a top tier player like the quarterbacks that I mentioned.
Because on the other side of the coin, they're like, well,
what is what does sixty dollars mean to me? You
know in the short term, and plus I'm gonna be
playing ten more years. But for the guy whose career
ends after or the guy whose career ends after one,
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that means a lot. And that just sheds more light
on the reason why there's a six to five vote
and it's not so one sided one way or the
other for the players Union, and that to me is
their biggest problem. And if you're a player that's coming
up for a contract this offseason, guys, let's just keep
it cool here. Let's just we don't need any issues.
We don't want any problems because you're trying to get paid.
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Like when you have this idea that there's an actual union,
not there is in name, but not really because it's
made up of a bunch of individuals who are looking
out for themselves. You know, those players union are their family,
the people they got to take care of. So a
lot of these guys, I get it. They don't really
give a crap whether or not somebody else is getting burned.
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It's it's survival of the fittest. They want to make
their money, and they want to be rewarded financially to
the up to the best of their ability, so they
can take care of their family. This whole idea of
a union and all this like the fact that it
came back six to five shows you that. I mean,
if I'm an owner and I see it came back
six to five, I'm like, fist bump in the other
it is okay, sure you won't be back. Sure, okay,
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when do we give them bonus pay? Like this? This
is exactly why when when players in Major League Baseball
came out and are ripping other players, it's exactly why
I'm thinking of myself. You know what, the reason those
players got immunity is because of that players association. That's
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a player's association, a players association that not only will
support you and defend you, but if you cheat, you
don't even have to talk about it, Like you don't
even have to get punished about it. Like none of
that stuff goes on the record, None of it. You
don't get punished nothing, You get full immunity. That's a
player's association. But you gotta be willing to make the
(08:46):
ultimate sacrifice in order to get what you want. They
gave up a World Series, like they said, you know what,
we don't like it, and I know fans aren't gonna
be happy with this, but we're done, we're out. I
know my brother was a die hard Cincinnati Reds fan,
and to this day he doesn't watch baseball because of
what happened back in ninety four. Like he sword off
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what I think staying basically that's a good point. Yeah,
and I don't I don't think he wanted he wanted
to start of this year, though, I don't think he
wanted to stick around for the Homer Baily years. So
so it just it strikes me as you're seeing play
out in two different sports. One players association shows real
strength and gives their players immunity, and the other one maybe,
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I mean, maybe we like it, maybe we don't. Some
guys are going to be rewarded and some guys aren't.
It just it, but the idea that everybody's on the
same page, I just don't bother and I mean, in
their defense, it's easier to get thirty two guys on
the same page than it is to you know, get five,
whatever the number is. But the point is is they're
still just so fraction and that just just a vote
(09:49):
of the eleven guys, just eleven guys are basically fifty
fifty against. It shows how much the owners are winning
and the players will end up probably losing again, but
you'll get that light restriction on marijuana. No games missed.
You mentioned yesterday about the expanded rosters. That's a part
of it. I talked about the commissioner's powers. Those are lessened,
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that's all involved. Those are all wins for players that
have absolutely zero effect on the owners of their bottom line.
I love. I wonder how many of the players out there.
It's like it's like when you go to apply for
a new job and they're like, oh, one of the
perks here is that you get three smoke breaks an hour. Okay,
what about the people that don't smoke? What are the
person for me? It's like, I love, I love the
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guys who don't smoke weed, Like, oh, so we're gonna
be a little more lenient in the testing. Cool. I
don't smoke weed to be so what does that do
for me? Like not everybody's on the same page. I
love the smoke. I'm going for a walk. You can't.
You can't leave your pros. I'm going for a smoke. Okay,
So you know what, sex, I'm going to the bank.
Like everybody's got an excuse. It's ridiculous, all right. Dan
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Buyer Jonahs knocks in for Doug Gottlieb here on Fox Sports.
I'm gonna take a okbreak. Sorry to Dan. You can
get by the way. You can get Dan on Twitter.
At Marlborough is where you can find Dan Buyer in
the Marlboro Man. When I was eight, Yeah, no, no, okay,
I'm gonna say. I was gonna say my mom dress
me up as a bum too. I hated at kindergarten.
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I liked it. It was awesome. Be sure to catch
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and the Heart Radio app. The seventies Sixers last night
picked up whatever the Brooklyn Nets in overtime and in
a game that I will point out because I am
our resident Ben Simmons hater here at Fox Sports Radio
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that they won without Ben Simmons. And not only can
I say that the Sixers won without Ben Simmons, Joel
Embiid had arguably his best game of the nine NBA season.
And what last night showed me onus is the process
as we know it. We had Rick bucheron I believe
(12:06):
recently and we asked him who's to blame for what's
going on with the Sixers, and his comment was actually
Sam Presty, the guy who ends up starting what the processes,
and the process seems to have come to. I think
Jonah's a completion because there are more and more reports
out now that the Sixers likely or it could be
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moving one of the two, and in fact a reports
that pulled some NBA executives this from ESPN saying that
quote this from Tim Bontemps of ESPN. There was no consensus,
but league execs think that if the Sixers to explore
trade and be it is more likely to be moved,
health being the determining factor in building around Simmons, and
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that I don't think as much of a surprise from
what we've heard as of late, but it it says
a lot. And what I think last night said a
lot was my whole thing with with Ben Simmons is
I've just always felt that Joel Embiad was just such
an extremely superior basketball player, and we're putting them on
the same level, and we're putting them on the same
level in this we are taking we are we are trading,
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talking about trading a guy who was a number one
to keep a perceived number one who's a really number two.
And it seems like they can't coexist. And last night,
to me was the perfect example of why they can't
co exist. Joel Embiid, who's complained throughout this season and
it's got people on his back, his mad comments about
him standing up by the three point line last night,
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thirty nine point sixteen rebounds without Ben Simmons. The fact,
the the fractures, the tension, everything that we perceived to
be there, I think is and I think last night's
performance showed. Doug gott Leeba said on this show and
other shows on Fox Sports Radio that Joel Embiad might
be the most skilled player in the league, in the world,
and he's got a legitimate argument when you look at
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just what he's able to do at his side. He
can handle the ball, he can shoot and put him
at the foul line. Latent games, he's gonna he's gonna
hit his free throws. He plays defense like he's that good.
But the injuries are a concern, And if you were
to just look in that and look long term, you
would say, Okay, it makes the most sense trading away
Joel embiad as opposed to Ben Simmons. My biggest issue
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with Simmons, and and maybe it's not an issue, but
you just hear enough talk and enough people have conversations,
and it's just there's always been a little diva aspect
to Ben Simmons. It's always been there, you know, when
you see other players around the league that have an
issue shooting, but improve and put the work in to
(14:37):
become a better shooter, whether it's Lonzo Ball or any
of these other guys that have struggled from behind the
arc or have struggled with their jump shot, like Ben
Simmons just either either hasn't or just doesn't want to
implement it in games, which is weird. And I don't
know if it's just he prefers to be a stat
stuff or elsewhere as opposed to take shots from the outside.
But there is this weird dynamic there. And look what
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what team last year in the NBA could you describe
as talented but dysfunctional and ultimately came up short of
their goal. Well, the Boston Celtics, right as far as
like just but but I'm just and and I didn't
mean to throw you on the spot there, but it
was more. You see, last year, the Celtics had all
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this talent and all these players, and it just never
felt right and it always seemed a little off. And
even this year, Al Horford, who's the common denominator between
last year's Celtics team and this year's Sixers team, said,
and maybe wasn't trying to be this honest, but said,
we got locker room issues. They're never going to get
to their ultimate goal A because they're not as good
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as Milwaukee, but be I don't know if they like
each other like and that's and that's the biggest issue
in Philly and and in that and that can go
two ways, and I'll take it that way. The part
of the process and which goes around the entire n
B A of tanking and teams trying to get the
top picks so much so they changed the lot y.
They probably should have done more drastic changes. But the
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point is is that the NBA realized, alright, teams are
tanking here. We've got to do something about it. The
Philadelphia seventy Sixers were the poster the poster child of tanking.
And you look at the other options or the other
places where this went on. The Lakers, for example, with
their top picks. It the Sixers actually hit on their
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guys now now when beat felt to them because of
injury issues, But when you look at it, they could
have had Jabari Parker Andrew Wiggins, and instead they get
Joel Embiad. Now you look back, sure, the Bucks and
and uh, Cavaliers, Timberwolves, however you want to do it
would end up doing and saying, all right, we take
Joel Embiid. You know, we'd rather have Joel Embiad at
that point. But it also shows you at how difficult
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it is because not only are you taking guys in
consecutive drafts with high picks, they are high picks for
a reason, and they have what you mentioned, an ego.
There's something about them. The media is fawning over Ben
Simmons when his own coach can't even get him to
shoot threes in a game, something that his coaches asked
him to do. Joel Embiata said, I gotta stand out
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on the three point line because this guy does it.
The most telling stat last night for me was that
Joel Embiid, who has attempted at three in every game
he's played this season, attempted one last night. That was it.
That's all the attempted. There were only five other games
this season where he's attempted won three. And he did
it with Ben Simmons on the court. You know who
else was on the court, DeAndre Jordan's. So you're talking
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about NBA going small, here's the team with an actual center,
and Joel Embiid went adam and and had thirty nine
in sixteen. Like that tells me everything I need to
know about the Philadelphia seventy six. Philly has got the
best home record in the league. And that's impressive. There
twenty six and two at home. And to me, when
you're at home and you're sleeping in your own bed
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and it's your own you know environment and all that,
like that, that tells me Okay, that's a talented team.
They have the same road record as the Knicks, and
the Nicks are the laughing stock of the league. That
tells me when they get out from their own environment
and they've got to be around each other more, they
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don't like each other like they're they're they they're honest
to god. The Sacramento Kings have a better road record
then the Sixers, Like it's just the splits. If you
look at their defensive efficiency, they're one of the better
defensive teams in the NBA at home, and then they
get on the road and it's like they do a
complete one eight and they turn into this other team.
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That tells me, no matter what talent there is on
the floor and how much and you can stack them
up against Milwaukee and it's very comparable as far as
talented players in the Eastern Conference. But there's a reason
they're at where they're at, and there's a reason they
struggle in road environments when you've got to be around
each other, when you gotta travel with each other. Like
everybody knows is there are certain friends that you have
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that they they're good friends, and then there's certain friends
that you can be around on a road trip with
or vacation with. And you don't know that until you
get around him. You see all their idiosyncrasies, all the
little stuff that annoys you. I don't think these guys
like each other. I don't think it's the it's a
locker room that gets along all that well. Or maybe
it's just one player like it was last year in Boston.
But I don't see it working man. Yeah, and I
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don't either. And it's amazing when you hear the report
that we mentioned about the executives taking Joel embiids injury
history is being a reason. I mean, imagine giving Ben
Simmons more power. I know. I mean because right now
he's not doing what his coach had asked him to
do this season. There's how many articles do we see
of him trying to get back with Kendall Jenner and
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trying to do this and that. There's never that's understandable.
You don't. I've never seen I've never seen a video
of Ben Simmons two hours after a game shooting threes
in an arena. Never, not once. I've never seen it
two hours before a game of Ben Simmons doing that
and doing work by himself. If they don't have basketball
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hoops at Master of Steakhouse, that's that's fair enough that
everybody knows that they don't have him at the Clevelander.
How is that thumbs upper thumbs? I guess somebody asked
me for blow not bad, not bad, so I obliged.
He find it. I just find it amazing that the sixers,
and it shows that the process is going to end
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up being a failure. You're not gonna have a title.
I don't know if you'll get a Conference finals appearance
out of this, but it's coming to an end, and
it's coming to an end soon. And what's even more
amazing to me is that listen, Joel and beats not perfect,
but there's enough of his game there that if you
have the seventies six is and I mean, there aren't
a lot of guys in the NBA who can do
what he can do. And I know there aren't a
(20:43):
lot of guys that are six ten that play the
point guard position, but Ben Simmons really isn't a point guard.
He doesn't shoot the ball. He could really only go
one way, and he gets a majority of his points
and dunks like like that. That's that's what it is.
Yet that somehow wins over someone who was uber talented
and Joel embiid because of an injury history sort of thing,
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the number two ends up getting to stay in Philadelphia,
and that's amazing. I would love to hear Jimmy Butler's
thoughts on on what Philadelphia was like. I would love
I would love to hear if you were to ask you,
because I'll be willing to bet anything right now. If
you were to ask Jimmy Butler, who do you ride
with Ben Simmons or Joel Embid, he would say embiide guaranteed.
So I just think a lot of people are are
(21:24):
rubbed the wrong way by Ben Simmons, and that's why
more people favored Joel Embi despite the health concerns moving forward,
and he saw it with the Instagram post when Jordan
became the villain and Jimmy Butler chimes in. Be sure
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gotta big fight you're interested in this weekend? Let me
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just tell you, Dan, Yeah, it's not even now, there's
just you love golf, right there's certainly like golf just
revs your engine, right, there's but about it like boxing,
mm a just revs my engine. It's one of my
the things that I that I really enjoy. Football is obviously,
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you know, near the top of the list, but like
it's this little niche thing that I always just grew
up on and I loved it. And so we got
like the biggest heavyweight boxing match in years and years
and years now, all the hype and all these Johnny
Come Lately. He's no offense to Ramos, but all these
Johnny Come Lately's that are now all of a sudden
talking boxing like they know what the hell they're talking about.
First of all, where you've been the last twenty years,
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there's been some great classic fights in the lower weight classes.
Don't be lazy, pay attention and do your research. It's
like the people that I only watched the Major's dan
when it comes to golf. Come on, man, how many
Masters experts there are on the back nine on Sunday
at a guest Oh, It's ridiculous. So so it's gonna
be really frustrating watching Fury Wilder too, because I'm gonna
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try not to go on social media. I'm trying not
to go on Twitter. I'm getting back from a a
sort of a marriage thing that we got to do
a course for marriage is class on Saturday, and immediately
going like it's funny. She threw out there were going
to church afterwards. Yeah, that's that's funny. That's a good one.
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I know. Fury Wilder two is happening. So there's zero shot.
So what is your finishes up at five? The fight
starts at six, should be good to go now. I
don't even mentioned like Paul Felder, Dan Hooker, uh fighting
in the UFC. I mean that is I mean you
talk about just I just sanctioned violence. But so here's
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the here's the problem I have. One of the great
traditions going into fights is the face off after the
way in both fighters get to face off and it's all,
you know, for show, but it's sort of tradition, and
if you're a traditional issue like all the pomp and
circumstance that goes along with it. The Nevada State at
Athletic Commission has banned Fury and Wilder from facing off
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coming up in in a little less than an hour
from now. They're not letting it happen because they shoved
each other at the last time they had a face off,
and so at the risk of injury, we can't let
them face off again. Do you think these guys are
really going to jeopardize the millions and millions of dollars
that are gonna come with it on a face off push.
It was my understanding, and you can correct me if
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I'm wrong, But it's not like these guys are arch
rivals and they get along. They're very respectful. A lot
of this is, you know, Tyson Fury called Deontay Wilder, um,
you know the P word. Yeah, yeah, pretty, you know.
I mean there's there's you know, and and so it
has gotten uh like Tyson Fury made a Yo Mama
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crack the other day. Like I mean, this is like,
this is popsicle stick humor. Like when you bought popsicle
sticks and there was a joke and you had to
eat the popsicle to see what the punchline was. This
is popsicle stick humor. It's not a big deal. These
guys are businessmen. They understand what's at stake here, and
they realize if we have another even okay fight this
time around there's gonna be a trilogy, and that's when
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you really start making real money to where these guys
can make hundreds of billions of dollars on a three
fight series. They're not going to ruin it the day
before after a rough training camp by by shoving each
other at the way in and letting it get real violence.
Is there is there a way where maybe even the
Nevada Athletic Commission is saying, all right, let's let's like
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ramp this a little bit. I thought of that too,
and I thought, Okay, maybe the Nevada State Athletic Commission
is trying to to build you know, Oh it's that
it's that contentious that we can have these guys face off.
But why would the Athletic Commission do that? I feel
like Fox or ESPN would pull something like that, like
they would be involved in like I gotta keep these
guys away. Look, it's tradition. Uh. There are certain traditions
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and certain sports that when they happen, you're just you know.
It's why I don't want to ever loose the kickoff
in football. That's tradition to me. The game starts with
a kickoff. You can modify it. All you want, the
xfls modifying it, But there's something about seeing guys lineup
on the kickoff that signals the start of something, and
the face off at the weigh ins is sort of
the start of a fight, and it feels like they're
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getting involved and being way too overly cautious and sensitive
and getting rid of it. So who should have won
the first fight? In your mind? Fury? Okay, so a
Fury wins this one? Why why would there be a
need for a third even though the first one was
a draw? That if if, if, if Fury was thought
to be the winner in the first two, why would
you need to do it? It wasn't clear cut that
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Fury was the winner. In my mind, Tyson Fury won
the fight. I had him winning by a couple of points.
How that he was well up in the scorecards going
into the last round when he was knocked down. But
to some people, well, the more more punishing shots were
from Deontay Wilder, So you score the fight for people
like to use this, who would you rather be in
that round? Like, well, I don't want to be either
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one of because I don't want to get hit in
the face. So so what are we talking about here,
and and if you just were to go back and
score the fight, it's clear the better boxer, the better
technical boxer is Tyson Fury. The punchers Deontay Wilder, who
you and I actually interviewed, if you remember, on the air,
and kind of a regrettable move by us because he
played at Alabama. He was a football player at Alabama.
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And listen, I'm not going to take blame for this.
I think it was your idea before we brought him
on to play the kick six back Auburn beating Alabama.
I don't know if you remember that. Psych don't. I'm
not trying to. And if I would have known how
hard he punched at that time, I probably wouldn't have
let Dan make that move. I probably wouldn't. So I
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really don't remember what happened, But I don't think that
would be me. Happens to the best of us. What
makes you more mad on Twitter? Because because there are
things that I know get under my skin when watching
a golf tournament, they are usually the ones that I
forward you, Well, this is what I love is and
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I'm going to use an example of somebody who will
who will tweet out killer right from Fury, which to
me is basically just bragging that they bought the fight,
like they're trying to shift off that. Look, I have
this extra money and I paid for it and you
didn't see it, so I've got Does that make you
more mad or does it make you more angry when
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someone goes, I got a ten nine Fury in the
second um the scoring, I don't mind. It's when the
fight is over all the people that are trying to
break down why it is they scored it the way
they scored it, When when I can tell obviously the
first four words of their tweet, they have no idea
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what they're talking about, and it bothers me. It bothers
me that all of a sudden, everybody's got a journal
entry and they want to expose it to the world
on these new sports that they've never taken the time
to watch. They don't know any Tyson Fury could walk
up to him with a name tag this is Tyson
Fury and they'll ask, do you play in the G League?
Like they have no idea who these guys are. So
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it bothers me when you when you care about something
and you're passionate about it, and somebody jumps in to
try and have a conversation about what it is that
you're watching. That's why I'll always send Dan tweets from
random people when there's a big golf tournament on, because
I know it annoys you. Well, yeah, like you'll see
stuff and in Masters fans will understand this, but people
will be like, man, awful, awful bogey there for Jason
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Day at ten, like tense, like one of the toughest
holes that there is, and he was in the trees
off of his drive, so he basically saved bogey, didn't
put it in the pond to the left. So you're
so you're happy, you know, excuse me at at eleven.
So so you're you're you're happy with that. If you
could get through ten and eleven and you play one
over par, you're fine. But people who are like, yeah,
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awful bogey on ten or awful bogey on on eleven,
and then you're like, okay, lot, like you know what,
it's it's actually good to salvage bogey on eleven because
he was in so much trouble. He's still have thirteen
and fifteen ahead. It's like, what are you know, what,
what are you talking about be the same thing. And
the reason I bring up the scoring is because you
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really don't know. I don't think that people to your
point of how they try to judge where it's just
ten nine, Like I would just put ten nine if
nobody got knocked down and and and maybe I wouldn't
even be able to tell who blocked one and that's
the most effective ones. But I just wouldn't put myself
out there to think that I could actually judge a box.
And that's the thing. And people like I was scoring
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the John Jones Dominic Reis fight and I had it,
but it could have gone three two to raise. I
had it four to one for dominic Reis, and then
the scorecards came back and John Jones won the fight,
and people are tweeting me, so you have no idea
what you're talking about. Or the judge who scored it
got ripped to shreds because they scored it incorrectly. And
and majority of people agree that Dominic Gray has won
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the fight. But the biggest problem when you're scoring a
fight live, and I've done it live, and this is
what a lot of people do that cover boxing. What
they'll do is they'll do it three times. They'll score
the fight live, they'll keep their scorecard. Then they'll go
home and they'll score the fight by watching it on TV.
And then they'll turn the volume off on the TV
and scored a third time. It's completely different. And so
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the idea that in the midst of this arena, with
all these loud fans and all everybody going oh and over,
every shot, even if it's a glancing blow, doesn't have
an impact on a judge. It has to. It's human nature.
Like you're you're getting caught up in the moment and
all the sounds and sights behind you. The one thing
that's gonna bother me is if the fight isn't as
good or if there's a bad scoring at the end,
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somebody's gonna send this tweet and I can guarantee it.
This is why boxing is a dying sport. Yeah, that's
a dying sport, man. I wouldn't want to get involved.
By the way, Tyson Deonte, can I borrow your W twos?
Let me let me see what's up. Let me see
how many zeros on that W two dying sport? Kiss
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