Tom Brady & Bill Belichick are talking again!

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combine that you could possibly desire. Plus we'll talk to
some NBA whosts. But let me start. Let me start
with Tom Brady. As the Brady turns, we continue to
track this thing and try to figure this thing out. Uh,

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Tom Brady apparently has at least talked to, if not
met with, if not met with, um Bill Belichick. They talk.
This is per Tom Curran, the Patriots Insider. Right, you
would you would think I had a telephone conversation on
Tuesday to discuss Brady's impending free agency Tom Bill to

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the song about You're in pending free agency. It wasn't
a particularly productive discussion. A source told Tom Curran how
long they talk, or whether they got into discussions about money,
length of term, or any contract details isn't known. Belichick
corn to a source was all business. The impression drawings
that Belichick spoke to Brady as if he was still
under contract. Technically, of course, Brady is still under contract,
but only until March eighteenth, when its contract expires and

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he becomes an unrestricted free agent. Mike Mike Girardi of
the NFL Network said they did speak. Don't know the
tenor of it. Do know that the Brady market is
not nearly as strong as is being portrayed, and this
may explain the number of leaks and attempts to leak
the quarterback to different organizations, including San Francisco hashtag stay tuned.

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This was Albert Brier a bit ago on The Rich
Eisen Show discussing Brady free agency market. I don't know
that the market is all that hot. You need a
lot of conditions in place to really want to go
after them. To be willing to blow up the offense,
need to be willing to put yourself on a two
year timetable. Need to be willing to see in the
near future where rebuild is going to be coming. You

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need to be willing to put talent around him. I
think there's one of the number of teams that are
that are interested. You know, the Patriots are interested in
bringing them back. M the Titans are interested, but they're
also interested in their own quarterback Ryan Tannehill. And then
the Raiders and the Chargers will also kick the tires
on it. I know they're investigating the possibility of it. Yeah,
so this is kind of going along with what we've

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been saying, isn't it. I mean that's what this is doing,
which is the you know, like I'm not alone. I
love when are their sports radio hosts who have done
this for a while, who just come up with stuff
on their own and can connect the dots and see

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things that are possibly in the future. Yes, there are
some guys that really understand the business. And I think
I understand the business pretty well, but they understand the business.
Some guys just shot at the dark just what they
think or what they see or here on TV. But
there are some guys that can connect the dots. I
feel like I can connect the dots, but a lot
it's also talking to NFL people like, hey, what really
makes sense here? And while the Niners. Thing is kind

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of interesting because I thought Skip Bayless was like the
first to bring it up, like, hey, he would have
made those sorts, and well, he would have. But then
Eric Mangini today on First Things First shoots it down like, yeah,
he doesn't actually fit how they play, and you're not
gonna tailor system to a team and not tailor to him,
and the two don't actually mesh what Kyle Shanahan likes
to do, Like, yeah, most people have come around to

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what I've said, which is like it's sat looks great
on paper. Put Brady an all time great with a
different team, and they achieve even greater heights than they're
currently achieving. Team meets quarterback. He's a great quarterback, but
that's not the way that we're actually works. He's a
forty three year old quarterback who's done things one way
for twenty years, one football language. Yes, learn it. This

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is what we've been telling you, which is like all
of those sound like a good idea, but the reality
is the best place for him is New England and
Belichick if he can handle it right, if you can
handle it right, can just hey, this is standard mode
of operation. You know, he's a free agent or will
it be a free agent. My guess is that was

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a lay of the land conversation, a lay of the
land conversation. They probably have previously talked with his agent
and him about contract, and then you know, Belichick just
wants to catch up. I just want to know where
you are things, what's your process, what do you wanna do,
how you want to do it, and then you know

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what are you looking for? And I also think it
would be really smart to never talk about money. Don't
talk about money or your boss, at least in my field,
when you have reppers sentation, you don't ever need to
talk about money terms any of that stuff. You should never.
I would guess they didn't talk about that at all.

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When I go in and I've had meetings with bosses
or different companies, I've never once mentioned money, because what
they do is they call your agent, like, how much
do you make? How much will it take for us
to get him? What are they offering? How many years?
What is he thinking or does he want to live?
What are the other kind of quirks to him? All
that stuff. So, um, I believe both of these they

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obviously did talk, and I think the more teams you hear,
the better it looks for the Patriots, because the more
teams you hear mean there's not one team that really
makes sense. This is exactly like when Lebron was leaving
Cleveland to go to the Lakers. Staying Cleveland didn't make

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any sense because that thing, he'd already basically told people
he was out, and that was like a one year
kind of scenario. It didn't seem to have a there
was no long term plan there. Going to Philadelphia didn't
make sense because if you're gonna go to the East,
you go with a bunch of shooters, not with those guys.
And you go to New York, not to Philly. No

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disrespect affiliate, it's not New York. You know. I heard
people say, oh San Antonio, And the more teams I heard,
the more I realized. They were just trying to drum
up some sort of leverage against the Lakers where they
could have more power in l A not just come
hat in hand and go like, hey, we really want
to play for you, which is what ended up happening.
And they didn't get to pick their coach, and they

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didn't get to pick all the players, and they didn't
necessarily love it in the first year. In the second year,
he had a little bit more leverage, but he's under
contract for four years, so it didn't matter. I wasn't
going anywhere. Kawhi Leonard got traded to the Raptors, and
people like, what huh? Real business happens in secret, doesn't happen,

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doesn't happen where people on TV. I start to wonder
about Indie. He's not going to Indie Peyton's team. He's
not going I don't believe he's going to Tennessee. That
market can't support Brady. It's it's of a college football market.
He's not going to He's not going to Tampa, even
though they host the Super Bowl next year. That's not happening.

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The Chargers sound great, they sound like l A, but
they're know what, people in l A don't actually like them.
And you know, he and Shane Styke in no sort
of relationship. The Niners always been his dream team. Dream
scenario just doesn't seem possible. So I'm sure Belichick, I

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don't you know if if he can do it without
being super arrogant, knowing that he's got the guy, He's
gonna get the guy that's my read on it, and
the more you hear, the more it starts to come
back around too. We were on the right side of
this thing to begin with, which is you can be

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an all time great quarterback, you can still have gas
left in the tank, and not everybody wants you, even
teams that need a quarterback, because it depends upon where
they are in a championship window. How do you fit
into what they want to do? How can you fit
into what what what? What? The player traditionally does. It's

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a lot stickier than just you know, it doesn't on
a spreadsheet. It works out where you go. You had
an X to Y, and now the sudden you get Z.
That's not. Well. You know, you've got a Patriot guy
who's the head coach, and you've got Tom Brady, who
used is a Patriot. Those two like, no, they that's
not who. They don't work together in terms of the offense. Well,

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the Titans beat the Patriots. You add Brady to the
Titans and it doesn't actually work that way. I don't
think he has a ton of hop. I think he
has There is just so much risk in leaving and
the reward is the same whether he stays or he goes.

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The reward is can you get back to the playoffs?
Can you get back to the super Bowl. The likelihood
of that reward in another spot is at least just
the same, if not less, from leave in New England.
So I don't I don't see it. Farmers Insurance does
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there's a little bit, a little bit of like what
we've seen in the political realm to this. I think
about this like it. You know, I tweeted last week
or the week before there was a big primary and

(09:54):
it looked like Bernie Sanders. You got Cowherd and and
who else and Clay Travis. Oh, Bernie Sanders, he's going
out making money is bad, socialist will never win. I
was like, I tweeted a lot of ball game left,
you know, and whether it was Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth
Warren or or Mike Bloomberg or mayor Pete like all

(10:19):
of these people, like it sounds like a but Bernie
Sanders wasn't isn't gonna beat Donald Trump. You know Mike
Bloomberg and how he was in that debate. He's got
no shot. Elizabeth Warren while she can she's a great debater,
she's too far politically to the left. It didn't make sense.
You're gonna end up settling on Biden, who probably would

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have won last time around, and I don't know if
he'll win this time around, which is kind of where
Tom Brady is now. The Chargers sounds like a good
idea to like. The Charges really aren't popular in l A.
And they need a mobile quarterback. He's more mobile, but
not what they're They're kind of okay, they're kind of
already moved their more. That's more ownership than management. The Raiders. No,

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they're not close too much. You always end up coming
back to the most logical answer, which is for him
to stay all right. Coming up next, I'm not buying
a new rumor about the Dolphins. I'll share that with
the next But first, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch the live

(11:26):
edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio ah app we roll on here in the
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. So I saw
this from Dane Brugler from The Athletic. He's an NFL

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draft expert, and a lot of the interest interest starts
at at two, right where the Redskins. Everyone is wondering
if they'll take Chase Young uh mh. Brugler, who writes
for The Athletic, wrote, as expected, the buzz of the
combine is the Redskins are moving forward with Dayne Haskins

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as the quarterback of the future in Washington. Could they
receive a trade offer from a quarterback needy team that
is too good to pass up? Possibly, but the most
likely scenario as they stay put and draft a difference
making pass rusher is the Nick Bosa in ours. So
Dwayne Haskins obviously has the ear and the heart of
the owner, and um has the ear in the heart

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of the owner, right and they kind of interestingly enough,
then you have Detroit at three. I would guess that
pick is very much in play in terms of somebody
trying to trade up. It gets really interesting at five
with the Dolphins. The Dolphins everyone thought toa was the

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object of their affection that was the whole reason that
their tank for Tuah. That's what's got out. The Dolphins
have done a nice job, that's from Brugler, and done
a nice job of keeping their intentions close to the
best so far. Some around the league believe they'll go
with two oh while others think will be Herbert, and
then others think they'll ride with Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh

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Rosen and addressed the quarterback situation the two thousand twenty
one draft. Yeah, I don't see that as sustainable. So look,
if that's the working rumor that maybe they'll pass on quarterback,
if if I don't believe that for a second, not
for one moment. In the teams that have been quarterback needy,

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no one strikes me as more quarterback needy over the
last twenty five years than the Miami Dolphins. They're they're
still chasing the ghost of Dan Marino. They thought they
had caught it with Ryan Tannehill. Then he came back
when he had hurt his knee. Turned out he needed
surgery after not having off season surgery. H He misses
a year, He comes back, he's playing decently well, he

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hurts his shoulder, he loses his job, and then they
ship him off eventually to Tennessee or get rid of him,
goes to Tennessee and lights up the world. And now
they're like, oh man, now we screwed up again, the
Dolphins being the Dolphins. I just the Fitzpatrick thing sounds good,
and the Josh Rosen thing, you keep him on the cheap,

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you know, and we're not going to be competitive right
now anyway. But that that is, that is simply posturing.
That's what that is. That is very much posturing. And
the ghost of Marino hunts them, haunts them, haunts them,

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you know, and I don't I don't blame him. They've
had but they've had some. They've had Ryan Fitzpatrick's in
the past, right, they had Jay Fiedler for a while.
They had Chad Pettington, who was a great jet you know,
They've had all these kind of guys. They but they
want a they want a dude. They want a dude.

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You know. It's like the Bears can can can tell themselves, Hey,
look we went to the Super Bowl and Jimmy Benn
wasn't great anyway. So that's not how we have to
be wired. The Dolphins, whether it was Bob Greasy or
whether it was Dan Marino, Like Dan Marino was that
guy for fifteen years, and that's who that's what they want.

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And that was the whole purpose of being bad this year.
That was the whole purpose of sending off and you know,
make a Fitzpatrick for a for a pick, you know,
getting rid of Larmie Tunstall for a pick. Like they
have positioned themselves to completely start over and build around
a young quarterback and whoever they identify, whether it's Herbert
or it's to Uh, that's who they're gonna get. And

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my guess is they'll probably get him at three, not
at five. They'll move up, you know. I mean think
about think about the ones that got away from Miami.
They could have had Drew Brees if their doctors would
have signed off on it. They had Ryan tanney Hill,
but they thought he was too banged up and they
moved on. They've actually had some decent quarterbacks there, but

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by the time they got Dante Culpepper, he was washed up.
By the time they got Chad Painting, he was washed up.
J F. There was always he was a Ryan Fitzpatrick
kind of. He was Ryan Fitzpacker before Ryan Fitzpatrick. So
I uh, I sit here and I don't think for
one second the Dolphins are not taking a quarterback this year,

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if for no other reason than they're chasing the ghost
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(17:00):
he joins us in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Uh, Jeff, let's let's start with that. Sound like,
I think the biggest pressing question is who's any good anyway? Um.
First of all, I appreciate you calling me the voice
of reason. That's never really happened before, so that was
very kind of you, even if it was complete. Ps Um,

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Who's Kansas? I guess? I mean, I think Kansas is
probably the best team because frankly, they have a Hall
of Fame coach who is ultra motivated this year with
everything that's got out around the program, and they sort
of admitted that to me earlier this week. They've got
one of the better point guards in the country and Dotson,
who's who's super fast at least in transition, He's terrific. Uh.

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They've got one of the best big men all around
big men in the country, and big Doak and really
good defensive players. You know, Marcus Carrots an a level defender.
They just gotta make shots. Like That's the only thing
that really worries to me, Doug, is could they go
through a game where they shoot like one for fifteen
for three and get knocked out? But you could say
that about just about any team. The good thing is

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their defense is going to keep them in every single game.
It's that good. Yeah. Look, I think they're really How
come you've you didn't mention Gonzaga. I know Gonzaga lost
a Michigan blown up by Michigan early in the year.
They were killing everybody uh in the w c C
until they get stumped at at at b y U.

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Why didn't you mention Gonzaga who's twenty seven and two
Gonzaga is you're calling him? I don't know what your
accents doing right now, Gonzaga, that's how that's how it's
actually if you're the locals, a gonzigaz all right, I yeah,
our Jewish accents don't work that way. Um. Anyway, I listen,
they're staying, they're sinning, and they don't have a guy.

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They don't have a guy you just give the ball
to and say, hey, go get me a bucket. And
I think you need that in the ANC tournament. And again, Dotson,
it's not like the highest level guy, but he's quick
enough to be able to put him for I like
I I but I don't know if he's that Adman.
Gilder's solid, but really the strength of this team is
probably up front until he's healthy. Um, So I don't know.

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I just in the thin like they're They've got seven
dudes and one of them is killing Philly that Frankly,
you just can't trust to stay in the court all
the time. So I'm not I'm not solding Zagger is
a Final four team. I'm not okay, Um, is this
a year where no big name coaches lose their jobs?
Like I'm watching Texas win last night in the last

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second shot, and I'm thinking to myself that job is
not coming open, right. Everybody thought that he'd make it
to the new Arena feels you know, I know you've
had your hot seat. You know your hot seat, your
hot seat post. Could this be a year which there's
not nearly as much movement as there has been in
the past. Yeah. The only thing I'd say to that
with with regards to Shaka is um, I think it

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comes down to whether they may the double A tournament
or not. Right and right now they're right on the bubble,
and I know they're playing well lately, but things can
change so quickly. Both ways, they play themselves into the equation,
probably as long as they win a game in the
in the Big twelve tournament, which is easier said than done.
Uh So, I think you're right, like Shaka might save it. However, however,

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does even if he saves it, does Saka say to himself,
if something opens, Let's say Wake pays out Danny Manning,
which is a lot of money, a lot of my
fifty million or something like that. It's crazy. But let's
say they find a way to pay out Danny Manning
and they want Choka. Does he get out of Texas
and say you know what, I know I'm gonna go
through this next year, even though I went to the

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tournament every year. This is gonna be what I'm dealing with.
Let me get a new lease on life here, a
fresh start at a place like wait the Fitch Shaka
a whole lot better by the way than Austin, Texas. Yeah,
I mean, now, isn't that? Uh? What's what's the guys?
Unc greensbro Um west Miller. Isn't that west Miller's job?

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Isn't it? Isn't west west Miller gonna get the way
for a show? I mean that's what everybody thinks because
his dad put a ton of money into the program,
into the practice court years ago. But again, if west
Miller doesn't win the either the regular season show com
which he's not gonna or go to the antient of
the tournament this year, you know you gotta remember it.
It's John Curry is the a d now at wake.

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It's not you know, one of those things where he
could go for the big name. He could say the
hell with it. I don't care unless west Miller's dad
is ready to write a check for ten mill Danny Manning,
and then maybe he says, all right, west Miller is
my guy. I'll take the ten million and uh and
I'll give the job to west Miller. But if he
wants to shop, you know, soak a smart or something

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like that, you know you're gonna have to pay Shocker too.
So I don't know how this whole thing is gonna work,
that he's gonna be able to raise of money. I
think the two jobs that are probably b C. I
think Kim Christian's done, and then there's other ones that
we thought might be done a day later to Paul.
As long as that a D sticks around, I think
Later has got a shot. And I've been told her

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contract doesn't end until like the end of June, so
even if they make a move, you're talking in the
heat of the summer. Brad Vernella, I think is in
pretty good shape right now. Pastor's in good shape. It
towards the tech Richard Patino is kind of a what
if type deal in Minnesota. But no, it's not gonna
be a huge h season for for big jobs flipping

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at least early, not in not in March. Now again,
we'll see what happens with the NT double A stuff
as we get into the summer. How do you explain
the turnaround at U c l A. I was there
for it. I was there for the start of it.
They beat Washington at Seattle in Seattle, now when Washington
was good and they had quad A and uh. And
I looked at Mick and I'm like, I don't know

(22:51):
how you did it, but but you should play that
dude to hit seven threes more. And he has, right,
I mean, you know, he he's got a figure at list.
And it takes time for McK cronin to be able
to or players to be able to adjust to mccronin.
He's not changing. Mccronin is not changing what he did
it since he worked. So I think the players had

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to adjust and he had to figure out again, um,
how he could push their buttons and give them to
play harder, because that wasn't how they came into the seat.
They're not the most talented team in the world. The
fact that he's got them right now, uh, in first
place in the PAC twelve should be an embarrassment to
a lot of the other PAC twelve coaches. To be honest, Um, yeah,

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I mean I would say I would say yes. I mean, like,
look He's found ways to just to win games. And
I think it speaks to how even those teams are,
how even most of these teams are. There's been several
of these turnarounds where you know that that are really interesting.
You can just kind of keep your team together at
the end of the year and everybody else has kind
of falling apart. And and yes he has. He has

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Kez and uh and and Kimon, the two freshmen that
can make shots. Hot hots hots hots. I like, who
didn't make any shots this past week, and yet they
won both of those games and the game winner against Arizona.
But had I think it was oh of eleven before
that that shot. It's kind of, uh, kind of fascinating.
Jeff Goodman, our guest in the Doug Gotlic show, Good

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and Plenty is is the podcast all right, So all
people I think care about is their brackets, right, That's
really what they care about. And they when I'm walking
down the street online, they just you know, they want
to know, like it's kind of like why I started
about like a little bit a little bit there's a
little bit of or they just come up and like, hey,

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give me, give me some teams to pick Okay, so
I went through who's good and you only said Kansas,
let's do the this is what you're really good at.
Be a hater? Who do people think is good? Who's
really pretty flawed? Who do people think is good? That's flawed?
Um m, that's high up there. Maryland, Maryland. I'm don't

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We've seen the last week a little bit. I just
don't trust them. I just don't trust Maryland ultimately. You know,
I'm not a guy. I don't. I don't trust Anthony Cowen.
I know he's I know he's got but I just
don't trust the terms in the Incuble Tournament. And they
did beat Michigan State in the road, beat Illinois on
the road, obviously, lost to Michigan State and Rutgers ructors

(25:20):
on the road is hard, but lost to They've lost
three other last four. But there has been signs. But okay, Auburn,
I would agree with that. On Auburn. I think Auburn,
you know, they were a little bit ahead of the
curve with older players, and but I mean, Bruce just
finds a way. Yeah, no, No, Bruce has done an
incredible job, incredible job getting them. We talked about Contaga

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I'm worried about San Diego State a little bit. I
just don't think the league's a very good this year.
And I think we saw them together and they're solid,
but I'm not. I'm a little still the starting center,
they still don't have their starting center, to which I think,
you know, disrupts that. I was just gonna say that
without doubt. A true big man and a rim protector,

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and I know he may come back, but he's missed
so so much time now that I think it would
be uh, Louisville. Louisville scares me a little bit because
their point guard situation. I love David Johnson on some days,
but there's other days where he just looks like a
freshman who missed a lot of time in the preseason.
So you know that the team I really like, actually

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I saw last week with Seton Hall. I really think
Seton Hall has kind of all the pieces to be
able to make a deep run. They've got a guy
who can go for thirty on any any single night,
moles Pal, who's tough as you know what. They've got bigs,
two bigs, legitimate bigs, and they've got a four man
in Sandro who can step out and shoot it. He's
better out the bounce, and people give him credit. He's tough.

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I don't know. I just kind of like this team
and I'm thinking about, you know, when I'm hopefully the
bracket uh turns to where I can take them to
get to the plan of four, because I think they
have all the ingredients to get there. Well, let's see,
because they have Nova at home and they've they've lost
two of their last three home games Creighton and Xavier,
and then they go to Creton who beat them at

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their place, and it seems like a bad matchup where
they're you know, they have to cover out in the
floor with the way that that Creton plays. So I
will will get a good sense of it, uh. Jeff
Goodman joining us. Jeff, there's a lot of talk of
these of the of a new rule about to pass
where anyone can transfer, you get one free transfer, don't
have to sit out. How does that affect the sport?

(27:31):
You know? I asked Dan Gabbett that question this morning
on my on my podcast, and you know what he
said is a lot of coaches um are certainly off
in arms over this thing right now. And he said,
you know, we're all looking at it. His how it's
going to affect, you know, the high majors and even
the Midge. He said, it's gonna affect all the college basketball,
and he's right, and it's gonna affect the low majors.
They're gonna go into the D two's and take the

(27:53):
D two's best players, and the D two's are gonna
take the D three's best players. It's gonna have a
major impact. But I think when you look at the rich,
when you look at coach k and Caliperry and Bill
Sell and and the elite level programs, Roy Williams, they're
gonna be able to now when they lose the one
and done, you know, like like for instance, like a

(28:13):
Carolina uh last year. Okay, let's say with like Kobe
White and I know they had coll Anthony coming in
this year, but let's say they did. They can just
Roy Williams can go down the list and look for
the best point guards that are coming back from the
best mid majors and start with like a jail and
Crutcher at Dayton and then move on if Jalen Crutcher
doesn't want to come, and he can be eligible right

(28:33):
away now and you could tell him, Hey, Jalen, I
know you weren't recruited out of Memphis, but now you've
got thirty minutes sitting here waiting for you at North
Carolina and you don't have to sit out. And if
Crutcher doesn't want to do it, all right, I'll go
down next to the list. Fat's Russell that you are
you want to come. You weren't recruited either out of
high school, and somebody's gonna take that. So now instead

(28:53):
of being young and having a Cole Anthony or or
having a UM you know on young point guard, whether
it's Caliperry or Coach care or whatever, you're always going
to be older, which has been the biggest um deficiency
over the last few years. I mean it's been older
teams that have won every single year. Later. Well, I
I just I just the idea of of of recruiting

(29:16):
and layup lines or handshake lines is a bad deal.
And I also think that like, look, there's an amount
of investment. I know that we've we we've many people
in our profession have become so pro player they just
get to be ridiculous, like you're gonna expend not just
all the energy, but all the expenses in recruiting a kid,
signing a kid get into campus, getting him there, and

(29:37):
the second either you try and coach him, like I
need to coach you. Sometimes I'm gonna have to bench you.
Sometimes you try and coach him. If he's not happy,
he leaves. If he is happy, he may be better,
you know, be able to transfer up a level. It
becomes really really hard for people to do their job.
And I don't I don't think long term it's good

(29:57):
for the sports, healthy for the sport. Uh. I know
it occurs in other sports. I do think that basketball
specifically is different because of the amount of expense that's
laid out for these kids and the amount of visibility.
So it's really easy to see a kid who's performing
well and have them have them move. Jeff Goodman is
our guest here on the Doug Gottli Show on Fox

(30:17):
Sports Radio. UM, last last thing, give me one sleeper,
one team. I know, I actually know who your team is.
Gonna be one sleeper that somebody in Middle America doesn't
know about yet, but they will on the second weekend,
in the second weekend the ns A Tournament. I don't
think you know which one. I'm gonna say, yes, I do.
Now you really don't. This one's gonna surprise you. Ether

(30:40):
Utah State. That yeah, Utah State, they got to listen.
They got too high level dudes. I know they haven't
played great this year, but names kid has been hurt
if they get in and I know they just lost
in New Mexico. They got Sam Merrill, who's capable for
going thirty in any single night, and they've got out.
I'm not saying a round pick, but he's a pro

(31:01):
if he's healthy and cada. He's long, he can block shots,
he can run the court, he can alter defensively. I
actually think Utah State. Remember they were picked to win
this league by far. They Tennessee State. I know you.
I know that. That's why through a little curveball, I'm
not I'm not. I'm not giving you what you want.

(31:22):
Utah State. M I saw that you tweet this out.
Um k C is not gonna play in Seattle. No
will explain in Seattle because the coronavirus. Yeah, I mean,
Chicago State just doesn't want to pay the money. You
know they're owing fourteen. They just don't want to pay
the money. They may not go to Vegas for the
w c W Whack Tournament. But now it's gonna be interesting, Doug.
I mean I talked to Gavitt about that too, about

(31:43):
what the coronavirus could do to conference tournaments, to the
n C Double A tournament because it is changing quickly
and uh and again yeah, UMKC decides they're not going
to Seattle. Chicago State may not go play in the
conference tournament in Vegas. So something to definitely keep an

(32:04):
eye on here is as a coronavirus, you know, continues
to move throughout the country. Jeff Goodman follow his work
on social media on Twitter. Of course, you can also
see his work on Stadium is a College Basketball show weekly,
and of course he writes as well for the Stadium website.
He's the one and only voice of reason, Jeff Goodman, Goody,
thanks so much. The Colts are sticking with Jacobe Brissetic quarterback.

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told the NFL network, it's time for us to get
a new quarterback so we can reach our full potential.

(33:33):
Is that real news or fake news? News? You are
fake news? Yepp. Indie linebacker Darius Leonard, in fact, on
rap Sheet and Friends podcast, said he hasn't even considered
a Philip Rivers joining the Colts. He believes incumbent Jacoby
Brissette played better than most believed given the circumstances of
last season. Yeah, I mean he was he was running
a car that wasn't built. He was driving a car

(33:55):
that wasn't built for him, right, he was. I mean,
how hard is it for you to try and go
and change to channel on somebody else's television set. He
talked about, you know, people around him not being healthy
last year, and obviously numbers will go down. That said,
Chris Ballot has made it pretty obvious that they're still
in the market for a quarterback. And the Frank Reich thing.
I don't think they move on from Brissette. I think

(34:15):
they keep him, but I think he becomes the backup
if they signed Philip Rivers. Item number two. When speaking
about Spike Lee's incident with the Next Charles Oakley said,
it's got to be stopped in some kind of way.
The NBA has got to take a look at this.
Is this real news or fake news? Sounds like real news.
They're real and they're spectacular. In fact, if you haven't
heard the story, Spike Lee and the Knicks in a

(34:37):
bit of war of words over what entrance he can use,
so he says he's not going to be at his
usual courtside seat for the rest of this season. The
Oakley quote via a p is NBA. You can't keep
closing your eyes to this. People are not gonna come
here because it's the same thing over and over and over.
Except it's not the same thing over and over over again.

(34:57):
And even Spike Lee said he's gonna be back nick
year and and by the way, like in in this
you know, and I don't think it's an unreasonable progress.
I know the entrance he's talking about the employee entrance,
which I thought everybody uses just because if you ever
worked a game at Mass Square Garden, you're going on
the thirty feet street exit entrance with all the employees.

(35:20):
But I have I've seen some stars going there, but
for the most part, the stars don't like They actually
told him, Hey, we have an entrance specifically for celebrities,
just for you. I don't want to do it. So
he said he'd been using this entrance for years. I
don't doubt that. I don't doubt that, I don't and
I don't doubt that it's I would guess that it
had doesn't have as much to do with uh for

(35:42):
for either party, doesn't have as much to do with um.
The fact that he went in the entrance. It's what
they said to him, and how they said it, and
then how he reacted, you know, I mean, which is like, yeah,
not not. I think neither. I'd handle it particularly well. Okay,
how about this item. John Ramos was given a senior

(36:05):
discount on his lunch today without asking for it. Is
that real news or fake news and spectacle? That's not
only real news. That has also happened to one Rob
Parker as well. The senior discount without asking for it.
That's when you're old, dude, That's when you're That's when

(36:26):
you're This is game time on the Duck Gottlieb Show.
Now Rob Parker's on like the Golden Girls Cruise. Is
that right? That's correct? Wow, that's pretty You know, his
producer actually read the itinerary for the thing, and that's
you know, he was excited. No, no, he likes the show.

(36:47):
Thought he could pick up a lot of women having
seen the itinerary. I'm not sure. Yeah, exactly. Oh, you
can definitely pick up a lot of women. Are there
will be some women and there will be a lot
of Judy Garland fans. Let's say, yeah, but that's okay,
there's definitely there's women. There some females are on the cruise. Correct, Yeah,

(37:08):
it's not like maybe he intended or maybe it is
Rob Parker Sneaky Old to Sneaky Old for the first
time ever, first time ever or maybe for the first
time in this uh off season. Um U, Joe Burrows
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Farmers get a quote today. Welcome in. I hope you're
having just the most wonderful uh spring past sable. We are.
This is weird, right like, Uh, there's the election cycle,
which is well underway. There's the coronavirus, which is um

(38:10):
affecting a lot of different stuff, including starting to affect
sporting events. You're if you listen to our update with
Steve to Seger like no fans that Italian soccer games
like what happens with the n c A tournament is
going to be interesting, gonna be super super interesting. Do
people go? Do they not go? I would guess if
they don't go, then the ratings should be should should spike? Um?

(38:35):
Are we gonna do the Vegas thing this year? Music?
We talked about it last year? We we never I've
never experienced Vegas on a on an opening opening weekend?
Have you music? I did one time? Yeah, when I
was in college. It was great. Yeah, it was awesome.
It was a lot of fun. Did you put money
on every game? Is that what you did? You know?
I didn't have the money on every game. I was

(38:56):
in my early twenties in college. I had almost no money,
but I did bet on a few games. And were
you were? You? Were you go crazy? Pace back and
fourth guy? What was your I don't want to look,
I don't want to watch. Yeah, mainly just sort of
going back by the sports book because it's super crowded,
so you have to be really committed to getting down

(39:17):
there early and staking a spot and everything. So we
were more just walking around do another gambling and then
whenever you know, you would check your phone and like, oh,
this game is close and I could win this bet.
Then you kind of walk your way back over to
the sports book to see the end of it, to
see how it would turn out. Um, I'll I'll just
say this, like, I don't even though I give out

(39:37):
picks and they usually hit in college basketball, only give
out things I feel like are almost almost locks. Um
during the regular season. And obviously we had a very
good year betting in football this year. Right was it
college or pro that we were just crushing? It was pro?
You were fifty eight percent, I believe, which doesn't sound

(40:01):
but like pro gamblers feel like if you hit six
on on any sport, you should you should do Yes,
fifty six means you're probably winning money. Fifty eight is good,
means you're like a legitimate professional gambler. Which which which? Which? Which?
I am not? Um, I just take all the information

(40:23):
I get given my best sense. I don't like. I don't.
I don't like to use well, you know the Dolphins
the last five years are I don't. I don't. I'm
sure that works for some people, doesn't work for me.
You know, I don't care about bill self when he
didn't win in the tournament, when he has one of
the tournament whatever. I just try and look at the game,
look at who's healthy, look at the matchups, what I

(40:46):
think happens, and that that's what I go with anyway, Um,
I haven't been I haven't. I haven't been in Vegas
and had multiple bets. I have full disclosure. I've done
UNLV games and almost every UNLV game I've ever done,
I've on the game. And the idea is like I
want to do some one. I like to like challenge
myself that you can never hear that I bet or

(41:08):
who I've been on, and oftentimes I don't. Actually the
truth is like I'll tell my buddies to bet on
it or whatever. I won't, but I've I've done that before.
I'm calling a game in Vegas and I'll put a
lit up, you know, twenty dollars just so I and
it's like a challenge to can can I just call
the game straight? And no one knows who I have
money on. It's like the Brent Musburger thing. It's pretty fun.

(41:29):
And no, there is no I've never there's been never
been a memo of bet or don't bet. I'm traditionally
not a sports gambler, but I do think if I
went to the n c A tournament that Thursday, I
would bet on. I would try and bet on every game,
because it'd be more fun that way, or at least
Parlay's I don't know, you mentioned being young. When you're young,

(41:53):
we kind of give you a pass for saying and
doing dumb stuff. Right. Remember when Alex Rodriguez got caught
the first time with P E. D. S. He said
he was young and stupid, right he was seven. We
all say things when we were young, which you're which
you're dumb. Right, Um, you go back and you take

(42:14):
This is one of the reasons that I don't give
people a total pass for like tweets they had when
they were in high school. But it's a tweets you
have when you're in high school, like they're just you
have no I can't parachute in and take a look
at somebody's high school like I went to my other
child's high school. Kind of it was like an orientation,

(42:35):
was like a welcome, here's all things the high school has,
and you just look around. You look at these kids
are so young and now you have social media, and
so they're saying things they have no real perspective. When
you're young, you don't have a lot of perspective, and
so we give you a pass for the most part,

(42:55):
even when you're getting ready for it to become a professional.
Like I struggled with with Josh Rosen coming out when
Josh Rosen is like, you know, some of the things
he said leading up to the draft because he was
seen as more mature, but he's still twenty two years old,
twenty one years old. I saw this from Joe Burrow,
and Joe Burrow hasn't always said the right thing this

(43:16):
offseason get ready for the draft. Remember when he was
asked about Sincinnati the first couple of times, he was like, well,
they have my process and I have They have their
process and I have my process, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Like, yeah,
that's not even close to the answer you're supposed to
be giving here. The correct answer is I would love
to be the number one pick from Ohio. The Bengals

(43:36):
think that I'm the best player on the board. That's amazing,
which is essentially what he finally said having a press
conference at the combine. Now he doubled up on saying
smart things with this one. He was asked about comparing
himself to Tom Brady in terms of style of quarterback,
and he said, quote, please, don't compare me to the
best player of all time. Let me do my own thing.

(43:57):
Don't do that to me. Please. When he was told
him it's a compliment to be compared to the goat,
the year old said, it is, but it's Tom Brady, right,
it is, but it's Tom Brady. And this is one
of those I don't know if suddenly now he's getting
reprogrammed by his agent. Last Jordan Palmer is going to

(44:18):
join us see what he's worked with Joe Burrow here
some in the offseason. I don't know if it's it's
getting programmed by his agent, but this feels like a really, really,
really smart quote. As opposed to some other guys who
like to compare themselves to the Jordan's, to the Lebrons,
to the Steph Curries, to the you know, they want

(44:39):
to be very careful on walking into that trap. I
it's one thing to idolize the guy, it's nothing to
be compared to your idol. And I think Joe Burrow
has suddenly either been advised to or has figured out
these are the right things to say. What was the

(45:03):
old Teddy Roosevelt? Walk quietly and carry a big stick, right,
That's a great quote. Walk quietly and carry a big quote.
That's what is Walk quietly, carry a big quote. Because
if you start boasting and bragging about what was it,
Johnny Menzel, We're gonna tear up this league. Like, hey,
the league pretty good. We've seen a lot of good quarterbacks,

(45:26):
a lot of Heisman Trophy winners. Dudes that come in
and torn things up, and it's been wrecked. You left
tackle gets hurt, your wide receiver drops the ball, you're
running back is in a contract dispute. Your coach has
a style that doesn't fit what you want to do,
like all of these things. Or you go through a
tough patch. You know, you tweak your back in training camp,

(45:49):
you miss some time, you're not sharp, you haven't worked
with your wide receivers. You know, you make a couple
of bad reads like this that league. The good teams
struggle to make the playoffs consistently well with the rams,
Like we can tell you all the things they lost
in the Super Bowl year, but here's the team that
was the best team in the league, the best team

(46:10):
in the NFC by a good amount. As a healthy quarterback,
relatively healthy Todd Gurley, healthy Aaron Donald the entire season.
Don't eight playoffs the next year, same coach, same coordinators,
couldn't take that next step. So I think this is

(46:30):
if this is Joe Burrow finally getting either some good
advice or understanding. Hey, the Terry Roosevelt was right, well,
quietly carry a big stick. Please don't compare me, ever,
compare me to Tom Brady, even if it's a compliment.
It's a compliment that I it won't go over well.

(46:51):
There's no way of reading Burrow tom Brady comparison and
it going over well when he hasn't taken one single
snap in the National Football Whatever else he said, and
he said some things that are more silly and confident.
And this wasn't even necessarily self deprecating. This was elevating
that of Brady. That's the way to handle it. If

(47:12):
we get all at twenty three years old like he
he may be old for these quarterbacks, but he's young
in terms of the NFL and the attention to ever
remember he went three years at Ohio State, where nobody
was asking for a quote, nobody cared. Now he's given
us quotes that we care about. This is a really
good one. What can we realistically expect from the Astros
this season? It's a great question, right, Like the Astros

(47:35):
have been through all this tumult all of this uncertainty.
You know who the manager is gonna be either gentleal
manager is gonna be? Are they gonna take away there?
Uh World Series rings? And oh yeah, by the way,
they lost their best starter, Justin Herlander has been hurt
here in spring training. What can we expect from them
this year? I'm gonna ask Kevin millar of course won
a World Series with the Boston Red Sox. He's gonna

(47:56):
join me from the MLB Network up coming, but first
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had a chance to catch up with World Series champion
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The all anyone has talked about the entire preseason here,

(49:01):
entire spring training is the Astros. Has that has that?
As a guy who covers it on a daily basis?
Has that died down yet? No, it's not gonna die
down to the season starts, you know. And it's been
a it's been a it's been a new scene. Like
it's it's weird when it came out and I think
everybody involved it didn't didn't know what was going on.
And then he heard like trash cans and microphones and

(49:23):
cameras were like, what, But we're in this devisive area.
So there's that fine line of how how to handle
something like that, and it's not gonna happen overnight. The
commissioner is going to do the best he can. You've
seen a couple of managers lose their jobs. You've seen
a front office guy. People want players, you know, to
kind of lose their scene. But the immunity that the players,

(49:44):
you know, we're able to talk about. That's why we
have the information. So it's a hard one to uh
to address. But I think time will heal at the
end of the day. Yeah, to this point, Rob Manfred's
is not coming off of his stance of taking away
the World Series or putting an asterisk by Do you
think he he's steadfast? Do you think he continues to

(50:06):
be on that wall. Yeah, I just think I mean,
there's always gonna be an asterisk next to that. It's
kind of like the steroid era. There's always gonna be
an asterisk next to some players. But like I said,
if I'm an Astros player, I'm calling him in the
you know, in the club house, and I'm saying, guys,
shut your mouth, let's play baseball. What's go win games,

(50:26):
and by the time the season starts and the season
starts rolling and you get on a nice eight game
winning streak, then everybody will stop talking about But right now,
the off seas is tough. I mean, we're waiting for
Mark Madness. Once the Super Bowl leaves, you know, you're
kind of waiting and see, Okay, what's next. Now you've
got spring training. The Astros still a hot topic. We're
still waiting on the Red Sox scene and uh, you know,
we'll see what happens. Kemill are joining us in the

(50:47):
Dugout Live show on Fox Sports Radio. Obviously, you know
they've they've lost some personnel, but they're still a pretty
loaded team. What do you think it does to them
in terms of actual wins and losses this season? What
are the Astros like and they take the field. I
think they're a great ball club. You still got Berland
and Grant, get the pop lamp, and the color should
be back from his shoulders injuries and stuff like that.
Tommy John's They've got a great obviously lineup. I think

(51:11):
the job of this team is to kind of go
out and batch the baseball and prove to people that hey,
we can do this thing without all the cameras and
devices and trash cans. So they're a really good ball club.
You got n v P at second base, you got
Alex Bregman who's right there in the mix, and Cray
and all these guys they can play. So I would, uh,
I would just use it as a motivating factor because
it's gonna be a tough year and there's a lot

(51:33):
of anger out there. Kevi Millar is our guest in
the Doug gott Leaves Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
If if you take them down, obviously, I think prevailing
wisdom is it's Yankees, Dodgers and everyone else. But gian
Carlos Stanton's hurt um. Yankees already down one of their starters.
Uh do you believe it's Yankees, Dodgers and everyone and

(51:54):
everyone else? No? I think that Yankees, you know, they
went through some injuries, you know, and and it's gonna
be a tough year, but they have depth. And yes,
the Dodgers are a powerhouse, so it'll it'll be crazy.
I was all, you know, Hans out, But let's be honest,
Yankees are awesome. Where are you right now? Are you? Yeah? Hey,

(52:21):
damn what's up, man? What's up? Dude? What hole are
you guys on? Three course? Let me just get a
bomb right down the middle part five talking baseball shop.
That's what we're doing here. I like that. Are you
guys how much? How much money is on? It was
each hole? Are you guys playing woolf? Yeahs a whole
birdies are double no carryovers, and so we do it

(52:43):
like that. You know, he's in Chicago, so he visualizes,
you know, golf a lot. I'm in Austin, so I
get play year round. But he's a way better ballstracker
than me, so it turned out to be a good match.
What's your handicapped, Kevin? I'm a five, Ryan's probably a four.
I can play to a twenty. And that's where we
kind of leave it at At what point? At what
hole do you start drinking? That would be a whole

(53:06):
for the conversations in about two holes. I was a
nervous recting and we were gonna have cell phone service
for this, and but all's working out, so it's looking
like it's a it's a positive. Um, okay, the best
golfer in baseball is who oh, dude, that's such a
great question. Mark Mulder is probably the best I play with. Uh.

(53:26):
You know, Yes, Derek Lowe is a wonderful golfer. Uh,
Danya Ergany can hit the golf ball. We're up here
at silver Leaf in Scottsdale, and I'm gonna tell you
that there's some guys that master the golf ball. Kyle Losh,
Josh Beckett, They're all about that. One to two is
silver Leaf ista Michelson design. No, it's a it's a

(53:49):
Wise Coff design. Yeah, because because all the Michelson ones
played perfectly to the way he plays right, that power fade.
If you're a lefty, I like all the because it's that.
That's why I have Does Dempster break out the Harry
carry at all during the round? But yes, he will

(54:11):
do that. He's got a remarkable Harry carry by the way.
I mean, the kid can do it. Has he has?
He told you that I discovered him right like he was.
I think he was in Cincinnati at the time, coming
off like reconstructive arm surgery. I don't know if you
know this, Millar, this is a true story. I discovered
him back in my game night days. He was my
analyst for the postseason as Ryan. Did Ryan Dempster ever
give me credit for for giving him a post career career? No,

(54:36):
And then you know what, I'm glad you said that
because he needs to. Because this kid's a little kids
take a ferry to play baseball. Was drafted in the
second round by the Rangers. And now look at how
big he is and it's probably because of you. And
this makes sense? Now, yeah, it does make sense. Um,
all right, we're we're actually some hapless, hopeless Angel fans.
I'm sitting here going are you at Randon show? Hey?

(54:57):
Can like? I look, their lineup seems stacked, especially kind
of top heavy, right, but I mean, show, hey Otani
if healthy is dynamic as a picture and as a hitter.
You added Rendin Trout hitting in the second spot. Am
I crazy to think the Angels have a chance this year? No,
You're not crazy. And can we just go ahead and
tied up that bullpen? Get creative with the trade, get

(55:18):
creative maybe with camp on steel on those like a
tyler glass. Now, I mean I think this is where
you get creative and see who's available in baseball. You know,
the phrase set process is gone. They didn't Geart Cole,
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let's welcome to He's Daniel Jeremiah moved the sticks to
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on the NFL Draft. Just got back from the Combine.
He does an amazing job. He joins us every week
in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
let's start with Tom Brady. The combine is like the

(56:46):
convention for the NFL. General consensus is Tom Brady plays
where it's all over the place, Doug Um. Everybody says
they've heard all these things about these different teams. Well
then when you the conversation inevitably end the same way.
But he'll probably just end up going back to New England,
you know, Like that's how every conversation goes about Tom Brady.

(57:09):
These three teams make sense. I think you could totally
go to Tennessee, you know, I don't know, maybe it's
the you know, maybe it's the Chargers of the Raiders
or you know, the nine. The Niners. Thing got cranked
up there at the end, and then it always comes
back to But well, if you had to put money on,
I'd still say he goes back to New England. So
that's kind of how all those conversations end. Philip rivers

(57:29):
to Indie. How likely I think it's the favorite. Uh,
I would say to put a percentage on it. I
don't know. Maybe it would be the would be the
overwhelming favorite for me. Does he still have it? I
think so. I think for I think for one to
two year window. Yeah, I think you could. You know,

(57:51):
you can get it out of him. He just he
needs to be protected. He's more dependent on what's in
front of him probably than um just about anybody else
in the league right now. That would be start next year.
But I think provided the protection, I think he could
he could play a winning football. Let's let's uh, let's
let's get to the draft. Obviously you'll be on the
dais on the desk for the NFL Network for the

(58:11):
upcoming NFL Draft, which is live in Las Vegas. Moved
the Sticks as the podcast. Daniel Jeremiah joins us on
the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Why the
Why the one eighty from Burrow. It wasn't a complete
one eighty, but there was the floated hey he may
may pull an Eli, hey he doesn't, and now he's
all in on on the Bengals. If they draft me,

(58:31):
I'm I'm not gonna miss I'm showing up. Why the change, Well,
I think he was still kind of in the fact
finding uh phase when he got asked the question the
first time, and then I still don't think it was
a full I want to be a Cincinnati Bengal. I
want to be the first picked by the Bengals. It
was all go wherever I'm picked, you know, as a

(58:52):
little not quite as not as an enthusiastic endorsement. But
I just said, it's such a long shot to be
able to to pull something like that off. Um, So
you know, I just I think when it's all said
and done, he ends up being the first pick. And
if you gave him truth, Sara, maybe that wouldn't be
his his ideal choice of organization. But he's, uh, he's

(59:12):
gonna be that pick, and I think he's gonna end
up embracing it. And I think it's the it's the
right move for the Bengals. Um is it the right
move with Bengals? Like if if Miami loves Joe Burrow
and they say, you know, like tell us what it's
gonna take. Is there a trade, a realistic trade scenario
you'd make if you were the Bengals. No, No, I
don't trade off of I don't trade off of the

(59:33):
best quarterback if I really like him, and uh, you
haven't need of the position. How many teams have we
seen go wandering in the wilderness, you know, for twenty
years trying to find their quarterback. You've got a chance
with the first overall pick to get the guy. I
think he's a really good player. Uh, I don't. I
don't trade off that hand size. He joked about it.

(59:55):
I think you did as well on social media. There's
some arm strength questions as well. He's playing outdoors in
bad weather. Are those the two areas for concern if
if you are both eyes open about Joe Burrows a prospect? Yeah,
I mean the hand sizesn't doesn't bother me. Um, it's
it's at the acceptable threshold. We always talked about being

(01:00:17):
below nine. It was like, okay, let's see where it is. Uh,
you know, is there any impact of it? So nine?
While it's not you know, it's not the ideal big
huge hands you're looking for. There's you know, if Mahomes
is nine and a core. I just don't. I don't
think that core of an inches is that big of
a deal. So there's no issues with fumbling when you
watch him holding on to the ball. A kid grew
up in Ohio. You know, he didn't grow up and

(01:00:38):
you know on the West Coast, never been in any
kind of weather. So that to me doesn't bother me. Now,
does he have a huge arm. No, I mean that's
and you're gonna have um inside that division. I would
say you're gonna have two or three games a year.
I mean, I think some people think you play in Cincinnati,
you played ten games in the snow every year, and
that's you're gonna have one, two or three games where

(01:00:58):
you're gonna have really windy, you know, tough conditions. But
the way he plays is he's not gonna he's not
gonna aggressively throw the ball outside the hash and down
the field. That's not you're gonna you're gonna empty out
the formation. You're gonna get four and five guys out
in the route, and he's gonna pick you apart ten
yards at a time. That's that's the way he plays. Uh.
It's the Doug Outlie Show on Fox Sports Radio Daniel

(01:01:20):
Jeremiah is our guest. Okay, so number two is likely
Chase Young. We think Chase Young and Nick Bosa compare
and contrast. Yeah, I mean obviously the size, uh, Young
gives you the size. I think Young has a little
bit better get off, um, but I would say Nick
I had to higher a little bit higher grade on Nick.

(01:01:41):
Nick is the best power leverage rusher that I've ever evaluated.
You know, he's got such power in his lower half
and guys just can't anchor him. He just goes right
through him. So that's his like superpower for lack of
a better phrase. And Chase Chase is longer, a little
bit better get off. Their both fantastic. Um. I think

(01:02:02):
Chase is a little bit tight if you're gonna nitpick him,
he's just a little bit tighten the hips. But uh,
but he's you know, he's a special They're they're special
special players that when you put the bosses up there
just pre draft grades. I haven't Nick Chase Joey based
off of pre draft grades. But again we've seen what
both bosses have already done. This kid's right in that

(01:02:23):
class alright. So so if you're Washington it looks like
they'll go quarterback, Go go Chase Young. But if you
were them, would you go quarterback? If if Toa was healthy,
it would be a legitimate it would be a legitimate question.

(01:02:43):
And I would. I would probably be emboldened to to
go deep into that discussion with two healthy he's not healthy,
and the fact that you have a premier player at
the second most important position. Um, I would. I would
extend my look at that Dwayne Askins and and see
what he does going forward. I have a higher grade

(01:03:04):
on Ta than I had on Haskins coming out. So
that's why I say, you know, you have to have
that discussion. But I think the injury kind of muddies
the water a little bit. And uh, and I would
go ahead and take an a lead edge rusher, which
to me is the second most important thing you need
to build a team with. Who do you think the
Dolphins wanted quarterback? I'm not so sure that it isn't Herbert,

(01:03:24):
you know, um and and it's you know, I've I've
talked to some folks that have good contacts inside that
group and have good relationships there, and I say, look,
they really do like Herbert. Now I don't know in context,
is that comparing him with TOA or if they like
him over to A or what that is. But um,
I'm anxious to see if if they like both of them, right, say,

(01:03:46):
it doesn't matter who you have over, but if you
have if you really like to it and you really
like Herbert, there's no motivation for them to get up,
you know, from from five to three. They can sit there,
let the Chargers pay the price to go up ahead
of them, to go get to and then they would
be fine with Herbert. I mean that that wouldn't shock
me if if that's what ended up happening. Danna Jeremiah

(01:04:07):
joining us in the Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
I agree, it does. It feels like they're at five,
but they end up at three, don't they. Yeah, I
don't know. I just again, I think it comes down
to whether they're comfortable with both of those guys. They
have a ton of needs. Man, when you trade as
many players that they have, it's nice to have all
these picks, but they have a ton of needs. So
if they think it's close with two and Herbert, I

(01:04:29):
don't see them trading the farm to go up to three.
I think they could sit there and say we'll be
fine with either one. Um. To me too, it makes
a lot more sense for the Chargers than Herbert does
for the Chargers. So that's why to me, I could
see the motivation on their part to try and get
up there and get them. Yeah. I mean so that
that was my next question obviously for people who know
locally in Los Angeles DJ And in addition to all

(01:04:50):
his other jobs, he's the color analyst for the Chargers
radio network. To Rod Taylor and to that that is,
do you think that's their plan that? That to me
makes the most sense if you're trying to you know,
win football games right now, but then have your guy
for the long haul in. Um, I just think that
to ah, I think to A has a chance to

(01:05:12):
really get everything energized and the whole in the whole organization.
You know, he's he he has capability of doing that,
and I think with the weapons they have there, um,
I think he'd fit in very well. Who are you
most disappointed by based upon their performance of the combine? Um? Gosh,
that's a great one. Uh, I mean I wouldn't you know,
Epanessa I thought would run better from Iowa, the edge rusher.

(01:05:35):
He ran five oh five. Um, so he's got to
clean that up at his pro day. But he's such
a good player on tape, I don't think it would
you kill him. The probably the one who hurt himself
the most. He wasn't in my top fifty. But Cameron
Danceler is a corner from Mississippi State. Some people thought
it had a chance to go in the first round. Um,
I thought that was a little bit rich for me.
But he uh he ran four six five, which is

(01:05:57):
a killer for a corner, so that that one hurt
him a little bit. Who who who impressed you the most?
There's a good group man, uh gosh, and a guy
like Denzel Mims, the receiver from Baylor. Um, he had
a great senior Bowl. He went out, ran four three eight.
He was phenomenal. Um. There's a kid. There's a linebacker

(01:06:18):
from Mississippi State, Willie Gay, who had some academic issues,
got spending for eight games. Um it didn't start a
game this year. But when you watch him, he jumps
off the tape. He was a five star kid, big
time recruit and all that, but he just he had
gotten in some trouble. So you watch the tape, you
get excited about him. I don't know what the what
the issues are. Um. So he goes to the combine,

(01:06:41):
he torches the combine and he ran like in the
four fours, he broad jumped over eleven feet. He had
a phenomenal field workout. And when I talked to teams,
they said they met with him and he not He's
not a bad kid. He had some academic issues. You know,
he was not you know, doing anything illegal, wasn't failing tests.
There was nothing like that um drug test or anything.
So it was just purely an academic issue. And teams

(01:07:04):
seem to be okay with him. So when you can
clean up some of the off the field stuff and
then torch the workout like he did, he's going to
go up in a big way. Yeah. Pretty amazing. Um.
Last thing, DJ Danna Jeremiad, You've you've done this draft stuff,
not just fil network but for for years. Um what
what what is more surprising? Mariota being people likely to

(01:07:26):
be a backup. Some people think Chicago or Josh Rosen,
Like I don't know where Josh Rosen ends up, but
you talked about star falling kind of super super quickly,
which is more surprising. I would say probably Rosen And
I know, you know the knocks on Josh personality wise
and all that, but he was such a gifted thrower,
I thought, Okay, he'll you know, he maybe nobody we

(01:07:49):
don't have guys lined up to be is his best buddy,
you know. But he's so gifted as a thrower that
you know he'll figure it out, somebody will get it
out of him. So for him potentially to be on
his third team in three years, uh, coming right into
the league. And I don't know who could have predicted that. Nope,
I do not either. Daniel Jeremiah is a great job.
Down with the Move the Sticks podcast, listen to him
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The morning showing the TV side is called First Things First.
This was Nick right on First Things First, discussing the

(01:09:58):
Lakers and Clippers and who the team to beat is
in the West. The reason they have handled they've they
have gone about load management with the regular season. The
way they have is about health. The reason I'm skeptical
about them is they don't have a rim protector to
deal with Anthony Davis or deal with Lebron when he
gets to the RIM. I think because of the load management,
they're not gonna have the continuity other teams have. And
I think we have overrated the playoff caliber that the

(01:10:22):
caliber of playoff performers. Most of this roster is except
for Kauai, who has been an unimpeachable playoff performer. Clippers
contingent has one thing to hang their hat on this
year as far as we're better than the Lakers. In fact,
there two and oh all the advanced that say the
Lakers are better to the record says that the Lakers
are better. They I test on who's playing better, who
has the best player all of us as the Lakers

(01:10:42):
are better, all they have those head to have matchups.
If the Lakers didn't beat them Sunday and remove that
arrow from their quiver, then it's just I think it. Yeah.
I mean, like, listen, we are we are taking stabs
at at an answer we don't have. With the exception
when they match up against each other, and so far
we see a match up against each other, the Clippers

(01:11:03):
appear to be better than the Lakers, and I guess
the question would become can they both get to that
dream matchup? And when they get to that dream matchup,
will they both be healthy? My guess is I believe
the Clippers are in fact better in the match up
because I seen them played twice. I think that in
terms of who their best player is, the Clippers are

(01:11:24):
younger at best players, so they're more likely to get
a consistent performance out of Kauai in that matchup. And
I think there's some match up issues there that look.
The way to beat the Clippers is they don't have
really really rim rim protection. And I'm not sure that
the Lakers really challenge outside of Lebron that lack of
room prediction. I think the Lakers are really good. I

(01:11:47):
think they're both very very good teams. I think they're
the two best teams should be told in the NBA.
But with a limited sample size and only seen them
play against the other two times, I would say that
the Clippers are better, not just because they've won, but
they looked like the better team both times. Yes, right, music, Doug,
we need to talk. We have something that we need

(01:12:09):
to talk to the utmost importance. Go to at Gottlieb
Show on Twitter. Doug, you've been known for an unpopular
take or two on Twitter before. Oh I know where
this is going. Yeah, last night you tweeted out Twitter
pole sitting at a bar slash restaurant wearing clean socks,
high back chairs. Can I take my shoes off and
sit normally? That's not This comes from a previous discussion

(01:12:34):
with somebody about about whether or not that's okay at
a at a bar restaurant. So I take off my
shoes just about everywhere I go. All right, this is
not I just do um if I have on clean socks,
I'm again, I'm not rubbing my feet on anything. I
might sit maybe Indian style or occasionally or tuck one

(01:12:54):
leg underneath. But I'm in jeans in the shirt and
socks and shoes. Why is that a big issue. It's
just not allowed at a public restaurant. Why because you
need to have shoes on within the establishment. I had
shoes on and then I sat down and my feet
are not even sitting on the ground, and they're hanging
up there. I would get We'll get into that discussion. Plus,

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All right, let's continue with our conversation from last hour,
where somehow, and I got slaughtered on this on on
on Twitter, which I knew would happen, but somehow the
idea of if you sit at a bar, a bar restaurant,
and you're sitting there and you're you're your shoes either
slide off or whatever, or you take your shoes off

(01:14:04):
and you have your socks on, somehow you're unsanitary. Now
I don't understand this, or kouf. I like our reaction
to socks is we're acting like they're I'm talking about
some stinky sweat socks that have been inside your bag
for a month. Like that's not how we're rolling here right,

(01:14:24):
Like you have a nice pair of clean socks. Why
is that less sanitary than the bottom of your sneakers?
Rhymee music, Well, Doug Um, I don't always make the rules,
but I am what you would consider a rule follower.
I believe in almost every food establishment in certainly California,

(01:14:46):
I would say probably most of America, the rule is
no shirt, no shoes, right. I don't believe the rule
is shoes upon insurance, but shoes are optional after entrance.
So I believe in you hold on, hold on, you
are You're not actually answering the question. Senator, Okay, the

(01:15:10):
question is not what are the rules or by laws
or whatever? Like, look, part of it is like we
do the whole You can't have flip pops, but women
can wear you know, open back heels, like like the
same thing. What is what is really the difference? Right?
It's like, but I'm not talking about what is and
what is not the rules? I believe they just saying

(01:15:31):
what is so Like you get people go like that's gross.
What's so gross about it? Somebody explained to me, Well,
it's not like I'm going taking off my socks running
my fingers through my pinky toe and was that called
a ring toe? What is that second, third, fourth toe called? Anyway,
getting the toe jam out and going smelling it and
then rubbing it on the counter. That's not what I'm

(01:15:53):
doing talking about. You're just sitting there high back chair, Yeah,
shoes on you like you know, and and you just
I'm more comfortable. My socks are super comfortable. I have
nice comfy Nike socks on right, Like I don't know
we have what Why is why are we anti sock it?
I think it's simply because the idea is when you

(01:16:14):
have shoes. The most cleanly way to present yourself inside
of a food environment would be to have your feet
within the shoe as it's closed. But then I under
the opposite of that is true, the bottom of your
shoes you walk from your car through the parking lot,
you know, right, but the bottom of your shoes are
remaining where they should be, which is either on the

(01:16:36):
floor or somewhat above the floor. So that way, the
rest of your foot is within your shoe where it's
supposed to be to keep from all of the you know,
perhaps odors or something else that could be spread out
when your shoe is not on. You still haven't actually
given me like my feet, And I understand, I understand

(01:16:57):
why we have these laws. You're right, it's so that
it's not just if your barefoot, but if you are
your barefoot and you rub stuff on your feet whatever.
But my thought is, like, the truth is the bottom
of your shoes way deerier than socks that have been
inside your shoes. Right, I understand. But you you have
your shoes with you regardless of which. So I have
my shoes, so I have them then, right, So if

(01:17:20):
if you have to have the shoes in order to
enter the building the blessed. The best place for your
shoes to be are on your feet. Why it's difference.
What's the difference. It's because then you're taking your feet
out of your shoes, and now your shoes are out
and exposing any types of odors or sweats or whatever.
I mean. Like, you specifically may not have smelly feet,

(01:17:41):
but every place that you enter doesn't somehow have the
Doug Gottlieber like, oh, hey, trust me, he's been here before.
His feet don't smell. It's fine. I I understand that
parton I do um Doug gottlie show here on Fox
Sports Trading. Have you guys gotten this? Like, are we
to the point? Would will you stop any of your
travel due to the coronavirus? Obviously Ramos hasn't gotten on

(01:18:03):
a plane in like two decades. Yeah, I'm okay because
I don't fly at all. That doesn't happen music, What
about you? No, I am I'm a full go on everything.
I actually I'm I'm like looking at this like, man,
there's gonna be deals on trips galore, Like where am
I gonna go? Let me know? Like where is the
spot I want to get to on vacation. I feel
like things are gonna be super cheap, and I get
there and just mean nobody there kind of fired up

(01:18:26):
about traveling. And I also and maybe this kind of
goes hand in hand music with my sock thing is
I have an amazing immune system. I knock. Would I
never get sick? You know, I had the throat thing,
the voice thing a couple of weeks ago. That's about
as bad as it ever gets for me. Now my
job is pretty cake. All you gotta do is be
able to talk, you know, so you could be sick

(01:18:47):
and still be able to do it when you're when
you're stuffed up. But outside of I literally don't get sick.
So maybe it's my thump, my my fee. I'm not
impervious too things, but I do feel that way at times.
I just don't. There's not any place that I wouldn't go.
Now if somebody's like hawking up, hacking up along and
they look like there's six, is not going to go
over and allow them to open mouth, kiss me or anything.

(01:19:10):
But I think within reason, I not only would I
not travel, I actually feel like I'm gonna travel more
now because of the because of my immune system and
because of the massive freakout's gonna cause some travel deals.
I can't wait for the travel deals to hit, like
the airlines, like I'm just started loading up. I read
a couple of stories here on Tom Brady being unsure
of his future, and UM, I don't actually think unsure

(01:19:36):
is the proper word. I think it's a little bit
of disappointment, a little bit disappointment. This was from Patriots
Inside or Tom Curran. Belichick and Tom Brady have talked.
They had a telephone conversation on Tuesday, that's yesterday to
discuss Brady's impending free agency. Wasn't particularly productive. A source said.

(01:19:58):
How long they talk, or whether they got into discussion
about money, length of term, or contract details isn't known.
Belichick Corps, to one source, was all business. The impression
draws that Belichick spoke to Brady's if you're still under contract. Technically,
of course, Brady is still under contract, but that's until
March eighteenth, when his contract expires and he becomes an
unrestricted free agent. My Girardi from the NFL Network also

(01:20:22):
said the two spoke, So you're getting two different insiders
saying they spoke. Dick again, don't know the tenor to it.
Do know that Brady that the Brady market isn't nearly
as strong as being portrayed, and this may explain the
number of leaks and attempts to link the quarterback with
different organizations including San Fran hashtag stay tuned. Kind of
feels like what I've been telling you. Here's Albert Brier,

(01:20:44):
another insider on the rich eisenshow earlier today. I don't
know that the market is all that hot. You need
a lot of conditions in place to really want to
go after him. To be willing to blow up the offense,
need to be willing to put yourself on a two
year timetable. Need to be willing to see in the
near future where rebuild is going to be coming. You
need to do willing to put talent around him. I
think there's a one of the number of teams that

(01:21:05):
are that are interested. You know, the Patriots are interested
in bringing them back. The Titans are interested, but they're
also interested in their own quarterback, Ryan Tannehill, and then
the Raiders and the Chargers will also kick the tires
on it. I know they're investigating the possibility of it. Yeah,
and and it's like the whole thing, everything has to
work out perfectly in order if you get a guy

(01:21:28):
as a free agent, you have to offer more years
and more money otherwise while we leave, and you have
to have a offer a better situation. Those three things,
those are those are hard things to to to achieve.
A little bit reminds me a little bit reminds me
of of the political u the political field and the

(01:21:52):
presidential election, where if you go back a couple of
months ago, so maybe it's Elizabeth Warren with Mike Bloomberg runs.
It could be Bloomberg mayor Pete like my like mayor
Pete Young, you know Young. He hasn't been in Washington,
so he's a little bit of an outsider, although he

(01:22:13):
did great things in uh in South Bend. You know, Um,
he's not only openly gay, but he's willing to talk,
you know, real talk about family values and how they
look in two thousand twenty with like and then you're like, yeah,
just I don't know if you're ready. Like, there's just

(01:22:33):
people who are not ready for that as their president.
The Elizabeth Warrant thing, like she's a little bit a
little too far left, a little too combative. By the way,
all these people just so were aware. They're almost all brilliant.
Like I was having a discussion with somebody last night.
I was like, you know, Elizabeth Warren's like Harvard debate champion,
Like you don't want to get into a debate with her,
but would America vote for her? Would America vote for

(01:22:56):
her in a general election? Same thing Bernie Sanders. You know,
plenty of people have voted feel to burn. But the
question becomes not can you win primaries, can you win
in the general, which seems to be where the Democrats
have sat there and go like, hey, look, if we're
gonna beat Donald Trump an incumbent when the economy is
doing well, we need somebody closer to the middle who

(01:23:20):
can stare him down. And you know, and it feels
like Biden is gonna be that guy. That's which if
had you had you gone back a year ago and said, like,
who's most likely to be the Democratic um presidential Canada,
You'd be like, probably Biden makes the most sense. Right
tied to the Obama thing, that's probably the deal that

(01:23:42):
makes the most and he would have gotten it the
last time, had a sun Night died. That's the same
thing here as the Patriots. They become the default that
you fall back to the Chargers. Look, Charges have got
good players, Charges are l a but the Chargers don't
have a great offensive line, don't have a great reputation,
and the Charges have kind of been planning for to

(01:24:02):
get younger, not get older at quarterback. Like, doesn't really fit.
Do they want to win now? Do they need to
sell seats? Yes, but I'm not sure it totally fits
with how they want to play. The Raiders just aren't
there yet, like in their rebuild there and the whole
I've heard this with the Raiders need to sell tickets.
No they don't. Every ticket is sold in the Raiders
new stadium. They don't need to sell a single seat.

(01:24:24):
That thing is a home run two times over. That
ain't happen. Well, what about Tampa too small market? Plus,
he likes it, he likes chunk plays, throw the ball
deep downfield. That's not who Brady is. It's not going
to Indy. That's Peyton mannings team Tennessee. It's like, does
he make them better than Tannehill? And you have to
upset Tannehill and overpay him. I don't know he doesn't

(01:24:46):
know the offensive coordinator, even knows the head coach. We're
gonna end up in the exact same place we thought
we were gonna be the presidential election. We're gonna be
the exact same place we thought we're gonna be. With
Tom Brady, he's gonna play at his career in New England.
You know, he chased off Jimmy Garoppolo, and there were
some hurt feelings on both sides, but you know what,

(01:25:10):
end of the day, they're better off together than they
were are separate, then they are separate. I got a
great third hour of the show for you. If you
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By the way, I'm really excited to awesome guests Dave Revson,
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that tomorrow drop on Friday. Getting ready for your college

(01:25:30):
basketball weekend. But we'll talk to some NBA coming up next.
I call it the Zion Williamson Effect. What does it
actually mean? I'll tell you next. But first, Fox Sports
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(01:25:51):
s R to listen live Doug got Liam Show, Fox
Sports Radio. UM, some good NBA viewing tonight in terms
of the future of the association. That's because the the
New Orleans Pelicans, Uh, the New Orleans Pelicans are going

(01:26:13):
to UM I believe UM was that that tonight or
not tomorrow night? Right? The Pelicans have uh you know
it's like Luca versus Zion and the NBA playoffs. Right,
almost feels the game is tonight. I was I'm looking
for the game like the matchups tonight. Oh, there it is. Sorry?

(01:26:33):
Uh so East Coast? Was that eight thirty local? Right?
You have New Orleans taken on Dallas. Now Luca don
chick is, he's top five in PR. The Mavericks are
three games back of Houston, and you were talking about turnaround.
Pretty amazing what the Mavericks have been able to do

(01:26:54):
simply making a move to get Christops Perzingis, who's played
forty seven games. Lucas only played forty nine games. But
the two of them combined to UM not only average
was at fifty about fifty points a game, but also
average nineteen rebounds a game. Then you're throw in the
fact that Luca averages about nine assists a game, and

(01:27:17):
Persingis is two blocks a game. And you can see
there are they are a really good combination. Two together.
Don Chick is nearly averaging a triple double in his
second year in the NBA twenty eight and a half
nine uh nine point three rebounds, eight point eight assists.
It's it's crazy, and the the Mavericks are winning because

(01:27:40):
of it. Now there will be some cowherd somehow tries
to paint me as like I'm a Zion hater when
I've only said, like, hey, I'm I'm concerned not that
the way he plays won't last, but that he won't
that Zion won't be able to stay healthy long enough.

(01:28:00):
He's just he's he's so big and so strong, but
he also there's so much pressure put on his joints
and ligaments and tenons because the constant pounding of jumping.
Like I don't know, I just kind of fear that
he's gonna get hurt. Now, they did get it a
little bit of an initial Zion bump when they beat

(01:28:22):
the Bulls, the Pacers and the Trailblazers twice than the
Warriors and the Cavaliers. Those are the bad teams they've
beaten up with exception of the Pacers, they've beaten up
with the bad teams. But after losing to the Timberwolves,
that means they've lost three out of their last four games.
And Zion statistically has played very well in all of

(01:28:42):
those games. And so here's gonna be the hard thing.
I think Zion these all these things can be accurate.
I think Zion is gonna be tremendous. I love that
Zion can play without the basketball, doesn't need to create
his own shot. I think if he stays healthy and
if he continues to lose weight in the off season,
the sky is the limit potential. Potential wise, I don't

(01:29:05):
think you can play it this weight for an entire
year or a couple of years. I don't think that
that's a good idea. But I also believe that his
statistical dominance is his pr is twenty five point six six,
And there was early on he had a minute restriction.
Now he does not have the same minutes restriction, and
yet they're not winning, and so the question becomes is

(01:29:28):
how he's playing and how he's quote unquote dominating. Is
that helping them win games? Now holding them up to
the test that is the Lakers. That's hard. Lakers are
the best team in the West and it's a bad
matchup for the Pelicans. Bad matchup. On the other hand,

(01:29:49):
he can't be at the Timwolves. You know, they don't
play great defense. They're one of the worst defensive teams.
I'm talking about the Pelicans in the NBA and Zion
and hasn't helped him at that end, no matter how
efficient he's been at the offensive end in terms of
just making dunks and easy close shots and defending and rebounding.

(01:30:09):
It's the Zion effect. We're we're so fascinated by the highlights,
which are plenty, that we're not asking ourselves are those
highlights helping them win games? And the answer is not yet,
Not yet, Luca Zion tonight. Whereas Luca and those stats

(01:30:30):
and how he plays and how he competes and gets
others involved, his ability to shoot the three, to stretch
the defense to create shots for others, averaging nine assistant game,
it obviously does help the Maverage win. Be sure to
catch the live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show
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(01:30:52):
Gotlei Show Fox Sports Trading. You can check out qb
Summit dot com. That's where a bunch of quarterbacks get
together and to quarterback stuff. I'm kid and Jordan Palmer's
former NFL quarterback uh in his own right of course,
his brother Carson Palmer's former star NFL quarterback in his
own right. He Jordan's a quarterback expert, works with guys
all year long, and he joins us year on the

(01:31:13):
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right, the
Quarterback Summit, I believe as it already occurred, is it
gonna occur? What's the Quarterback Summit? Well, it's just a
gathering of guys that kind of all ages. Right now,
it's draft training and NFL vets uh. And then I
just literally starting this Saturday, I have one day campers
through day camp, so I worked with kids throughout the
course of the year from ten years old to nine

(01:31:35):
year vets. Have a have have a ten year old,
I have a ten year old. I'm down the street
from where you are. Where's where? Where? Where do I
get to tow do I get the ten year old
with you? Let's go send him on down give me
something dot Com send him to me. I love to. Actually,
it's funny. I know I'm getting older because I've got
a lot of former teammates who are now sending their
kids to me. Some of them are in college. So

(01:31:57):
I'm at that point in my career where guys I
used to play with kids are now coming, including my
brother Jordan Palmer joining us in the Doug Out Lip Show.
You've had these workouts though, going, these these draft workouts going,
and I was told Burrow has been a part of it. Donald,
Kyle Allen, Um, I mean Josh Allen as well, uh

(01:32:19):
Stidham and Jordan's love right, those are the guys that
have been out there. Yeah, so I've got draft classes
this year. Usually you know, worked with three or four guys,
and that's been the case also Stephen Montes and Cole McDonald. Um.
As you're preparing, Uh that my last day with Stephen
Montes today as he heads back to Colorado's Pro days
next week. But then I've had vets here for the
last couple of months. So yeah, some of those guys

(01:32:40):
and a handful of others, um, some of them starters,
some of them back ups, trying to take a step,
and uh really like some it's more just a community.
I mean, it's we tonight we have Wednesday Night film
Night where we're picking a theme. I think tonight is
red Zone from the ten of the twenty, and we're
watching the top five quarterbacks in the league statistically in
that s at the category and we're all getting together

(01:33:01):
and watching tape, creating some great conversation and everybody kind
of taking a step. So it's really more of a community,
and it's been awesome. I've got a couple of different
groups that throw each day. They usually overlap, so there's
usually some vets, some draft guys. Um and I've got
you know, college kid bo Nix from Auburn flying in
tomorrow night for the weekend. So there's always just kind
of all ages guys always hoping each other. And it's

(01:33:24):
been fun because this is some of the best young
quarterbacks in football. Yeah, and uh and you got I'm
actually on the side keepe summit dot com to learn
more about it. Um. Okay, so Burrow, Uh, the the
one of the things I've heard from people who have
seen him throw is a little underwhelming in terms of
the arm strength, your brother played in Cincinnati. You've played

(01:33:44):
outdoors in the NFL. I'm wondering how big an issue
you think that is, considering all the games in their
division are outdoors and at least a portion of the
time in crummy weather. Yeah, you know, I think arm
strength is one of those things that it's it's it's
so fun to talk about, and it's so exciting, and
you can have a casual fan who doesn't know much

(01:34:05):
about the position of the game and they can form
an entire opinion on a quarterback based around arm strength.
But the reality is is it's kind of like hand size,
where you'd love to say that it's very relevant. The
problem is is that there's been a lot of guys
with small hands play well or heights. There's been just
really good short guys too. Drew Breeze is really good.

(01:34:28):
Arm strength is another one of those things. There's just
a bunch of really good players that don't have the
strongest arm I've ever seen. Um. I also think it's
a misconception. Um Joe's spending it as good as anybody. Um.
He can put a ton of ball, you know, kind
of juice on the ball. But also, this game is
about anticipation, accuracy, and timing and the combination of those

(01:34:49):
three elements. And uh, I mean he did it sixty
times at least last year that resulted in touchdowns, and
I did it at a high level. I don't see
it being an issue whatsoever. I think all these guys
they go from college and they go to the NFL,
and they've got to learn to play a lot of
different elements. And uh. And so there's a step that
all these guys. When Carson went to the Bengals, he

(01:35:11):
never he never played in the snow, he never played
in below thirty five degrees, And so there is that
period of time. Same with Sam Donald. He's playing in
New York now. The only time the first one, the
first time Sam ever threw in the rain was on
his protect um. And now he's in New York. And
so I think there's a phase that all these guys
have to go through. Jordan Palmer, I guest in the
doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. How much

(01:35:35):
should his age factor into our ability to evaluate hims?
Twenty three years old, far older than you know, he's
older than Sam darl right now. Um, how much should
we factor his age in terms of how close he
is to his ceiling because of his age. Gosh, I
didn't even realize that that's funny. Um, you know, I think, uh,
two of the things that I look at when I'm
evaluating these top guys is maturity and confidence. On the

(01:35:59):
maturity side, it's not tucking your shirt in and saying
yes certain using manners. Maturity is really how do you
guys handle big situations, whether that's a really hard situation
or a really awesome situation that could allow them to
kind of deviate their focus. And when I look at
the way that Joe handled the last couple of months
of going from relatively unknown to I mean, damn your pandemonium.

(01:36:24):
When this guy rolls around, it's crazy to handle that
type of life change. And and can't honestly say that
he's a guy that wants a bunch of attention. He's not.
So it's not really awesome and flattering like some people
would think it is for him to handle that situation
the way that he has um and whether that's media,
whether that's social media, where that's personal interactions with people,

(01:36:45):
I gotta think the age is one part of it,
but also he's just a mature, well raised dude. Um.
And and so that is pretty telling of how he's
going to handle the highs and lows of the NFL.
I think that he'll just continue to handle it. Uh,
definitely on the upper end of the scale when it
comes to maturity. Jordan Palmer I guest and the Doug
Otlers Show on Fox Sports Radio. Jordan's loves a guy

(01:37:08):
that NFL people know really well. Uh, Draft people know
really well. But I think the common and and he's
got a big arm and you know, you hear people
say Pat mahomes Um struggled at times this year. Give
me if if I if if I were to walk
to your if I were to walk up to your
workouts and see Jordan's love, what would I see? Well,

(01:37:29):
the arm, strength and and uh like the how effortless
his stroke is are gonna jump out right away. He's
a guy that's really still developing one body wise. You know,
these guys are all two years old, so they're they're
still developing, getting stronger. Um. And when you get a
talent playing at a middle to lesser um you know,

(01:37:52):
ranked school level school, you know Josh Allen at Wyoming
or Jordan love it at Utah ste Um, you get
a guy's too, are have a lot more put on
their plate than a guy at a big time school.
So a lot of times, you know Jordan's love for example,
what Utah State. A lot of the answers that Utah
State is supposed to have is, uh, I don't know,

(01:38:12):
you're a first round pick. Makeup play, not literally that
they said that or that that he was put in
those situations. But that's kind of what happens over the
course of the year is you've got a player that's
better than everybody. So the expectations is that that guy
is gonna make plays. When they do, they usually throw
a lot of touchdowns and throw a lot of picks
um And so if you really actually go through Pat

(01:38:32):
Mahomes is another perfect example. A lot of touchdowns, a
lot of picks in college because so much is on
their plate versus the Joe Burrow who had a prolific season.
But you look around that huddle and there's some dudes
in that hole, and so Jordan, I think the arm
strength is gonna jump out to you. The size and
how he looks. Uh, he wins people over right away too.
He's just a cool dude. Fans don't realize that a

(01:38:54):
lot of times that's very relevant being a cool dude
that people want to be around. UM, and then uh,
it's misleading his staff in terms of projecting him moving forward.
And that's why I think NFL teams UH and scouts
and and personnel guys know him and are are able
to shake off some of the negatives on Jordan's love
because it was more specific and due to the situation

(01:39:15):
and circumstances he was in more so than how he
projects moving into the league. Doug Otlives show here on
Fox Sports Radio. That's the that's the force of of
of Jordan Palmer. All right, Compare and contrast uh, the
potential there with guys like toa who uh is coming
off an injury, everyone is square. How accurate he is,

(01:39:37):
How would you compare those two guys well? To his
injuries is really kind of its own thing that I'm
not in a position to evaluate how he's gonna handle
coming out of that, UM, but certainly there's a lot
of smart medical people that will come to some conclusions
on that. So really my opinions on on tour are
just assuming that he's fine, right, assuming that no issues

(01:39:59):
with the hip or anything else moving forward. I think, uh,
and I think I've said this to you before. Really,
the future of this game for quarterbacks is the quarterbacks
ability to create time and space. And sometimes that's a
subtle movement in the pocket, and sometimes that's making a
bunch of people miss and doing something awesome like my
Homes and Josh Allen and some of these guys and

(01:40:20):
Russell Wilson um. And so if that's the future of
the game, then you gotta I think, really the age
of the big, tall guy who's got a strong arm
and can't move, I just think those days are done.
And so a guy like to of becomes really interesting
because it's not just that he's really quick, it's that

(01:40:40):
he moved and reorganizes or resets or gathers himself just
really really efficiently and really consistently well. That translates more
so than being tall or having a bigger arm or
being really fast. That stuff translates. And so when I
look at two, I look at a guy who, uh

(01:41:01):
can probably play well early because of his ability to
improvise and create time and space in the pocket and
give himself, you know, quality um quality throwing attempts would
not having a bunch of people around him. Jordan Palmer
joining us in the Dugout Leaps show on Fox Sport Trading. Yeah,
the I've talked to a couple of NFL people and
they've said one gentle manager was like, yeah, look, we

(01:41:23):
like him. But one of the reasons he's gotten hurt
is because he's gotten hit. One reason's gotten hit is
he's not necessarily as athletic as I think people would
think a smaller quarterback is. Is that fair? I don't know.
I think the guy moves pretty dard good. Um. And again,
this is not about a forty time Um. I just
I don't really care about that. No, it's more about back.

(01:41:45):
It's about pocket elusiveness, right, pocket mobility. And but those
injuries have been people at his feet? Are people tracking
him down a little bit? Yeah? And and and I
look at it like this, it's really similar to great
jump shooters. Okay, so you look at a guy like
Claig Thompson, and one of the reasons that there's kind
of two things I think that make a great jump
shooter is one, somebody who has a consistent shot. But

(01:42:07):
the second part of it is somebody who gets to
that shot consistently doesn't put them so creates enough space
at the end, gets to a consistent spine angle. They're
not fading away at a different angle every single time.
And so a lot of it is creating great shots, right,
great attempts. I think quarterbacks the same way. And so
if you can reorganize and get yourself back with you,

(01:42:29):
you know, the terminal terminology I would use is get
yourself reorganized. But all my cleats in the ground consistently
with the same base. When you can move, stop flip
your hips and do that consistently over and over again.
I just think you're gonna end up having better attempts
more often. And so yeah, I think too of got
hit a lot, but I don't know that it's him

(01:42:51):
putting himself in bad situations as much as it he's
trying to make a play. Uh. And as you continue
to play more, that's you know, It's just you can't
rep pocket presence and practice. You have to play a
lot of games and get better at that. I just
think it's something he's going to continue to get better
and better at, much like Deshaun Watson has done, much
like Josh Allen has done not taking bad hits this

(01:43:12):
These reps only come up in games. Uh, And I
just think as time goes by with two, he's going
to continue to improve on that. What do you think
of Justin Herbert? Um? I think Justin is a guy. Um,
you know, he's just been so talked about for so long.
And the impressive thing is he's really kind of stayed
away from everything in college. He didn't put himself out

(01:43:32):
there a bunch, you know, media and going all these camps,
and he just seems to me to be like a
quiet worker, you know. And and uh, it's been around
him enough to know he's a humble dude, and just
this last couple of years was just focused on his team.
Wasn't worried about anything individually. Um. But I do think
when you get to the NFL, um, you know, being
a vocal leader and dominating the room, those are things

(01:43:54):
that actually become relevant. Um. And so I'm interested to
see he's been in a comfort zone. He's been you know,
born and raised from what I know, and Eugene played
high school, played college. I grew up an Oregon Duck
fan and all that I am inagted to see when
you get out of that bubble and you go to
a new team. UM, kind of like to a left
the island and moved to the south and handled it well.

(01:44:16):
I'm interested to see Justin make that transition and uh
and you know, my assumption is that he's gonna do
a great job at it. Awesome stuff. Jordan Palmer. Check
out QB summit dot com. That's QB summit dot com. Jordan,
thanks so much to join this incredible perspective on the
position that everyone talks about. Thanks again. Thanks alright, Jordan Palmer,

(01:44:37):
probably sending my dude down there, lefty, lefty quarterback, the
next to the Jewish toa. That's what he's gonna be,
the Jewish toa. What do you guys think? Jewish toa
is that it has had a good nickname. It's not bad,
not bad at all. All right, coming up next, we'll
get you to the press. Um. Oh man, this is
a an all pro hitting free agency. I'll share that
with you. I'm coming next. Fox Sports Radio has the

(01:44:59):
best a sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all
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to listen. Live the Press, Steve Di Seger, what do
you got three NFL items for starters? Thank you, good nights,

(01:45:20):
and we'll go one by one after I give you
the three tight end. Jimmy Graham of the Packers not
expected back in Green Bay, according to Ian Rappaport NFL Network,
who says it's notable, although not a surprise for anyone involved.
Also just coming down from multiple reports, l A Chargers
left tackle Russell o'kung has been traded to the Carolina
Panthers for guard Trey Turner and Mike Garifolo. NFL Network

(01:45:44):
says the Jaguars are not shopping quarterback Nick Foles, but
they are getting interest. They are going to listen in
trade talks. Let's start with Jimmy Graham not staying in
Green Bay. Reportedly not surprising. I didn't work out. I
don't think I just you know, Jimmy Graham was a
guy who everybody thought could be the next Tony Inzals
and he has not been. He didn't achieve what Seattle thought,
what Green Bay thought, and now everybody's moving on from him.

(01:46:05):
That's right. In the last three years, even though he's
playing the last three years clearly not as good as
the previous three points. Russell Okong, of course, has been
outspoken for many a year and it's not a Charger
once this becomes official, but multiple reports have him going
to Carolina trade of Pro Bowlers. Yeah, I I think
the Chargers are now. The Panthers offensive line coach came

(01:46:26):
from the Chargers, That's where the relationship was. But I
feel like the Chargers. Remember Russell missed most of last
year with blood clots and uh he won a new
contract as well, which they weren't willing to give him.
It's going to save the Chargers money and get a younger,
better player. Now, Nick Foles could be traded. The NFL
Network report they're not actually shopping him, but they're listening

(01:46:49):
in Jacksonville. Uh, well, they'd like to have somebody take
that contract off there for a backup quarterback. He's making
too much money. That's a huge I just um, uh,
but I don't know. And that's that. Let's get to basketball.
As coach k from Duke was on with Dan Patrick
and said on the show that Kobe Bryant was the

(01:47:09):
best high school basketball player he'd ever seen. The exact quote,
I never saw Lebron play in high school. But Kobe
was the best high school player I ever saw. He
had a maturity of competitive arrogance to go along with
his talent that was way way off the charts. And
of course Kobe had said during and after his playing day,

(01:47:30):
he said at least that had he gone to college,
he would have played at Duke. You know, it's funny
as I was a freshman when he was I think
a rising senior. And Fran McCaffrey is now the head
coach Iowa. I was the assistant who recruited me at
Notre Dame, and I remember sitting with him. We're talking
about guys recruit and he said, there's a kid in

(01:47:52):
Philadelphia's friends from Philadelphia, who's the best high school player
I've ever seen. Kobe names Kobe Bryant. So that that
is a sentiment that has been echoed by a lot
of people, and I've seen some really good ones. The
International Olympic Committee President Thomas Bach says, not only are
the Tokyo Olympics still on for July, but he has
not even entertained the thought of canceling or postponing this

(01:48:15):
summer's games. He sought to Project Calm when holding a
conference call with the local organizers in Tokyo, though the
officials were briefing the local media. The local media, some
of whom were wearing protective masks. But as for the question,
how can you be so confident Mr IOC that the
games will go on as scheduled in Tokyo. His reply,
because we talked to the experts. Meanwhile, Augusta National has

(01:48:39):
next month the Fame Master's Golf tournament. It says it
is monitoring the situation with coronavirus. It's April nine that
the tournament begins at Augusta. You see, just this week
the state governor and health officials confirmed the first cases
of coronavirus in Georgia. And yes we did speak earlier
today the announcement from the Italian government, all sporting events

(01:49:02):
in that country we'll have to happen without fans in
the stands for at least a month, including in their
Fame Soccer League Seria. A p says Italy is currently
the European epicenter of this coronavirus outbreak, with more than
a hundred dead there because of it. Yeah, it's it's
fascinating and the mortality rate is only high for you know,

(01:49:24):
infants and older people are people who have compromised immune systems.
But it's like, I do think that you have all
these countries taking these extra precautions. We as kind of
the ugly Americans. We's just a flow, right, Like, no,
it's a little different. It's not airborne, but it does last.
I don't know, like you start canceling stuff. I don't

(01:49:45):
remember this type of scare internationally since like Ebola was
the last one, right, it was the last one. The
health people say, H one N one. There was also
something in China about years ago stars. Yeah there's any Yeah,
that's H one n one. Um. Anyway, fascinating to see
the Dodgers at spring training Friday, for example, their managers
said today, we're gonna have one of our doctors come

(01:50:06):
in and address the team about coronavirus. That that's good,
so at least you get some information talking about it. Yes, Yes,
is from a professional. Yes, the experts are better than
guys like you and me on radio talking about poorly
relaying information. Yeah, well on most topics you could say that.
And final item, there's a new puck coming to the
NHL for the postseason with sensitive electronic equipment inside part

(01:50:29):
of puck tracking and player stats that'll come out in
graphics on the telecast. Wow puck tracking, Smart puck for
the post smart puck, which she reminds me of of
the the old Fox. Uh flat went was at the
line on the on the puck Fox track, Yeah, puck
get out there and pressed. That was the press, all right. Yeah,

(01:50:53):
apparently it's not cool for me to take off my
shoes at a bar, although I just don't. I don't.
I don't see it. Chris Broussard tomorrow, right, somebody else tomorrow? Else?
Is tomorrow something good? John middle Coff Tomorrow we'll talk Quarterbacks,
Talk n b A, and we'll also record podcast. Is
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