April 7, 2020 • 43 mins
Doug tells you why Tom Brady and Bill Belichick will fight over credit for the Patriots dynasty for years to come. He also tells you why Aaron Rodgers reminds Doug of Dan Marino after receiving an All Decade selection. Plus, Mike Renner from ProFootballFocus joins the show to tell Doug if Tua Tagovailoa is falling in the draft.
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I want this to be very, very very certain when
I say this, Please do not rush out of your homes.
We're still under quarantine. Everybody's still on lockdown. But but
there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Like I'm not I'm not to the Clay Travis level yet.
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I don't believe this was a hoax. I think computer
models sometimes don't measure out everything, you know, Like, look,
the big fear with coronavirus and this is supposed to
be the peak week or next week is the peak
week winter. The big fear was not just the deaths
from the virus, but the fact that because there in
a short period of time there are so many cases
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that need medical attention that the hospitals would become overwhelmed
and you couldn't treat enough people. Right. That was the
calculation based upon the occupancy level of hospital beds and
this if we didn't go on lockdown, the overwhelming number
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of cases. At the same time, it's not just the
number of cases, as people say all the time, it's
loyal flu. People get the flu and that. Yeah, but
the flu, there's not these spikes in it. It's not
a new virus introduced to our population per se that
that is as deadly and spreads as rapidly like this
spreads really really quickly, and it's a wide spectrum. So
that was the fear. You know, I I have I
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run a basketball program and one of the parents of
one of my kids is a good friend and she's
also an our doc, and she's like, look, it's we can't.
You can't have the practice. And it's not just because
these kids probably won't get sick, won't suffer symptoms, but
their grandparents do they go to the hospital, will just
be overwhelmed. That the problem in some of the calculation
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appears to be not just that social distancing is working,
but also that because we've been on lockdown, there's elective
surgeries are not happening, and there's not as many d
Uise car accidents, etcetera. Right, there is, there's some good
to it, and the occupancy level of the hospitals is
down and the number of cases isn't as bad as
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they would have thought. But here's what's gonna happen. So
what I'm trying to tell you is staying at home,
stick and stick with us here at Fox Sports Radio.
Will give you all the sports that you need, all
the interesting stuff, and we'll get around. I'll relate just
to Brady and Belichick in a second. But it it
appears that if we keep doing this for I don't know,
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another week, maybe two weeks, like it is gonna work.
Now here's what's gonna happen. Both sides are gonna Claire
to claim Claire victory, which is in is interesting because
it relates to Brady and Belichick. Look, Brady and Belichick
are the greatest tandem quarterback end coach in the history
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of football. Nine Super Bowls. And the crazy part is
there's like a there was a tenure run without a
Super Bowl win. We forget Brady towards a c L.
They didn't win the year they were eighteen and O
losing the Super Bowl sixteen on the regular season, Like
there's a stretcher. Actually, their best team didn't win a
super Bowl, and that team came back the next year
and Brady didn't play. But the point is nine super
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bowls will not be replicated. I do not believe the
likelyod is very, very very slight, even with Pat Mahomes
who probably should have gone to one two years ago
and did go to one on one one this year
and he's in his early twenties. But but I read
yesterday rads UH Players Tribune Peace and Belichick's mentioned once
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no new information in there. We know he's competitive, we
know he's looking for something different. If he got along
with his coach, if they were close, you wouldn't have
left right, Like, there's no new information there. But my
big takeaway is this is what happens when people win,
is everybody wants credit, right Uh. The scientists that gave
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us that fear and and pointed out that if we
don't flatten the curve, this could be a problem for
the entirety of the year and change life on Earth
as we know it. They were declare victory because they'll say, hey,
look we saw, we did social distancing, we toulcial distancing.
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And you know, look if it uh, if we didn't
do it, a curve would have not been flattened and
hundreds of thousands of people would have died. They will declare,
but so too will the this is a hoax, This
is a right out. The storm guy will be like, look,
you guys wig massively over did it. You killed the economy.
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You did it for political gain or whatever. They'll declare victory.
Everyone's looking there for their confirmation bias. I knew it.
It was to bring down the president. I knew it.
If we flatten the curve, will we we'd be okay.
And maybe you're both right, maybe you're both wrong. The
truth is somewhere in the middle. And you know what,
the only thing that matters is less people are dying,
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and we'll be okay. And in all honesty, if the
takeaway is I guess what. The air is clean again,
the water is clean again. We can actually go on
walks and talk to each other, have family dinners like
they ain't the worst thing in the world. Do I
want to n say a tournament? Yeah? Do I want
the master? Sure? Do I want I want my life
back a little bit. But if society improves, become of it,
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and we we find out that for pandemics that come
in the future, we can do this and still survive.
It ain't the worst thing ever, right, it ain't the
worst thing ever. Brady and Belichick, your confirmation by like,
whatever your confirmation biases, you are not in your head today.
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If you're a Belichick guy, you're sitting there. Go and
see Brady only mentioned Belichick once. He still doesn't respect
what Bill did to build did for him. You know,
it's just in the case of a guy wanted to
go off on his own, and he doesn't appreciate a
respect a coach, a coach whose old school coach, he
treats him like everybody else. A coach who's built a
winner around him for twenty years, he doesn't. If you're
a Belichick guy, you like, see, Brady wants to do
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his own thing. You know, Brady's been part of the band.
Now he wants to go solo. It's a solo album.
When the truth is, he's best when he's with the band.
If you're a Brady guy, you're like, so he told
you Brady wanted to do his own thing. He's tired
of the oppressive of leadership of Belichick in the Patriot,
This wasn't that fun. It wants a challenge, but he
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wants credit. Belichick wants credit. That's what the that's human nature,
human nature. That's what we're learning from this coronavirus, which
the pandemic. I think it's gonna be thwarted. I mean, like, look,
it's very very sad. I'm not saying I'm not sympathetic
to people who have lost their lives or their lives
have been changed forever by it. I'm not. But in
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comparison to the models which at one point in time
showed us we might lose one point five million Americans
if change isn't made, it feels like a hurricane that
was coming that was gonna be really bad, that just
swiped us and wasn't. We didn't get the full brunt
of the blow, right right, Brady and Belichick instead of celebrating,
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hey man, it was eighteen great here, nineteen great years,
twenty great years. There's incredible partnership that lived at nine
supers and six super wins and complete and utter domination,
actual humiliation of the a f C East. There were
some good football teams, there were some good coaches that
fell by the wayside, and and there were some bad
ones in the a f C East. Nobody cares about
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them because the Patriots kicked everybody's ass seemingly every year.
But instead of celebrating that, we go to our corners,
We pick our sides, and we chose who the winner
is because somebody has to get credit. Brady is in
search of credit and fun and out of boys, and
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his way does work. Belichick the same. No new information
in Brady's peace. Yeah, got it. You're a successful guy,
You're a competitive guy. You liked your time in Boston.
Patriot fans are the best. These are the best times.
You just want to try something new. Could have written
to myself without even talking to Tom Brady. I'm not
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diminishing it, but none of this is new information and
only feeds into our confirmation bias. Brady wanted to do
his own thing only feeds into the Belichick fans as well.
See Belichick was right. Brady is about Brady gonna do it,
wants to do himself, wants to prove his way works
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when he doesn't truly respect, or honor or have the
right feeling and give the right amount of credit to
Bill Belichick. This is what people do. We do it
during times of crisis with the pandemic, we do it
during times of success. Everybody wants credit. Our president wants credit,
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the scientists gonna want credit, The naysayers will want credit
instead of somebody stepping up and going like, hey, all
of you, look, however, we got to this place. It's
not nearly doesn't appear to be nearly as bad at
s feared it could be. And the same goes from
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Belichick and Brady. Hey, you two, you guys do realize
you had the greatest run in the history of modern sports.
Nobody's done that like football, way more so than baseball
or basketball. Half the teams that make the playoffs don't
make it the next year. Half the teams don't make
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the playoffs next year. Go back and look at what
the Patriots were able to accomplish during Tom Brady's time
as quarterback, and you'll notice something. Uh, that happened almost
every year, every year except for the one year he
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was hurt, they made the playoffs, right Uh. And there
was one other year, I think two thousand two that
they make the playoffs, won the Super Bowl, didn't make
the playoffs, and then didn't make one year. You're talking
about since two thousand and one, essentially twenty years they
missed the playoffs together once and instead of celebrating that
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as the most miraculous and incredible and ridiculous, like, look,
since two thousand three, they've won double digit games every
year and only once was it ten games, instead of
mentioning that it's the I want to do it my way.
I want I want my own parade, I want my
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own thing. I want to be recognized as being the guy,
which is no different than when we choose our sides
when ultimately we come out of coronavirus lockdown boat. Be
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on
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Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Mike
Renner is a Pro Football Focus NFL Draft expert. Checkout
PFF dot com for the best analysis leading up to
the NFL Draft. Renter, I need personal opinion. This is
not statistical data that you guys have been able to
provide at Pro Football Focus. What do you think of
the Buccaneers new issue uniforms. I'm a fan. They're pretty slick.
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I thought they're old ones for a little dull. They
needed a change, and it was Tom Brady there. You
gotta get you need something new, fresh to get fans going.
Um what about? I mean, I like, I'm surprised there
wasn't pewter. I mean, I'm sure there's gonna be a
Pewter uniform. But what about is that? Is that what
the dark gray one is that considered pewter? I thought
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it was right? Or am I? It feels darker? It
feels it feels darker. I guess I get I'm looking
at a different picture. I like the Pewter. Um, I
don't know why Why not throwing a creamsicle? That is
the big question? Like, that's there, that's the money. Let's
be one that everyone loves. So I'm surprised. Maybe they're
saving that's like, uh, color rush, It's possible, possible, the
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color rush would probably I think the Pewter is the
color rush because it's all great. But anyway, um, okay,
let me again before we get to the draft stuff.
I think the big question with Brady is everybody thinks
he can still throw a deep ball. But he's an
underneath guy, right, isn't he isn't he dinking dunk? Isn't he? Westwalker,
Troy Brown, Julian Edelman, Like, isn't that the focus of
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how he likes to play? Like these big play wide receivers,
That's not generally how he plays football. Yeah, So it's
he's capable. He's just good enough at it where he
makes you respect that deep ball, makes you respect that intermediate.
But to where you you have to you know, you
have to drop those linebackers and zone. You have to
get that depth. You can't just sit on the underneath
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stuff like they do like an Alex Smith. So he
is at least capable of that. But yes, like I said,
over the course of his career, he has made his
money alf was hitting those underneath patterns accurately with timing
so that it gives the guy the best opportunity for
yards after the catch, and it will be different. And
it's just because you know, he has been good enough
at the interviewed in deep level. It doesn't mean all
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of a sudden, now they've thrown every single you know,
the majority of his passes there, which is Bruce arians
often that it's gonna work out. And I think that's
the interesting thing in all of this is going to
be a massive, massive shine from what we're used to
with them, and no one knows what's gonna look like.
Doug gotlive show here on Fox Sports Radio. All right,
let's get to uh, let's get to the upcoming NFL
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NFL draft. Um, what do you guys had PFF think
about Joe Burrow fans? I mean, he just put up
the highest graded season we've ever given to a quarterback.
Now we've only been doing it for six years, but
it was far and away the most impressive quarterback season
we've seen in the last six years. And yes, he's older,
and yes he had a lot of talent around him
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at l s U. But I'm of the opinion that
the accuracy that he showed there, like NFL qbs couldn't
go into that offense and did the same thing that
he did. He was just so on another level accurate
with the football on throws ten plus yards down field
to retract the ball placement of every throw, he was
over eight percent more accurate than any quarterback we've ever
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charted in our six years of doing this on throws
templates yards down field, so just an absolute you know,
perfection in terms of the ball placement. Some of these
throws that I just have a I would be difficult
in my mind to see him bust him, you know,
completely not becoming a starter in three years down the
road in the NFL. I think at least he's going
to turn into an average NFL quarterback. All right, if
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you you take him off the board, who's next from
your rakings? I mean, it's too uh, it's two less
fully healthy. If that hip really isn't going to be
a problem the next year he is. And you know,
if Joe Burrow doesn't exist, he's a number one overall
pick right now. That's how good of a quarterback he
was at the college level. And the interesting thing was
we just we saw Joe Burrow play you know, rough
up and down football in two thousand and eighteen. We
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never saw that from two when he was on the
field and healthy, he played elite level quarterback. And even
going back to the freshman year, coming in the National
Championship game leaving them back against Georgia like, he always
played well. And yes he had a ton of town
around him. But again, you can judge the accuracy of
the football. You can judge the decisions she was making,
and they were for the most part right and accurate.
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So I do think that to Uh should be the guy.
If you're the Dolphins, if you're the Chargers, that's the guy.
You got to go up again. Okay, So after Tah
is there a is there a massive drop and who's
third at the quarterback position or just overall here quarterback? Okay? Yeah,
so there is, And I don't think you know, that's
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why I said you've got to go up and get
to it, because I really just don't want just In
Herbert or Jordan Love in the top five of this class.
I mean one, I can't see an NFL GM taking
Jordan's Love after he almost threw more interceptions than touchdowns
in the top ten. Like you just you get roasted
by your fan base on draft day and then two
years down the line if it doesn't work out, your
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your job like that for you, Like you can't miss
that play that high in the draft. So I do
think Jordan Leve will fall. But even Herbert, the problem
with him is he's got a Caniford arm and he's
fairly after it. But why are we not talking about
this guy who has a Caniford arm is fairly accurate
as the SUREFI or top pick. It's because he has
the exact same problems on tape we saw as a
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freshman that he now has a senior There's been really
very little development. Every big game that he plays in
he disappears as a pastor. And it's between the ear
stuff that you can't really coach up that you just
gotta have. That is the biggest question mark with him.
And I don't think there's a fixing that at the
NFL level. Yeah, it's it's a it's a big question. Okay.
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So then there's Jordan's Love, who had a disappointing year
this year. But people want to say, okay, look at
Mahomes and he is the most like Mahomes. Um when
you when when when you see Jordan's Love, what do
you see? You do see that? I mean you see
plays on tape where he adjust the way his arm
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angle to put touch on the ball to drop it
in over a linebacker and underneath the safety. And you
see him outside the pocket on the move drop a dime.
That's just only handful of the quarterbacks you know, even
in the NFL can make he has that sort of arm,
talent and play making ability, But just the consistency aspect
is difficult for me to get over. And I probably
if I'm leaving the first round, I probably would rather
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come away with Jordan Love because you could be getting
an elite quarterback like he could develop into that. He
has more of those uh more of those things than
adjusin Herbert, But I think his floor is also bottom out.
You know, throws more picks and touchdowns the next year
and just leads and can't lead an offense whatsoever state
of life, because I mean that's what we saw this
past year at Utah State. When things go bad. It
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was like quicksand and a lot. You had a lot
of chances this year in the second half of games
to come back, and he just tried to do way
too much. And like I said, the consistency aspect, it's
not just the bad decision, it's the footwork that then consists.
You know, his pocket presence isn't consistent and it led
to just a lot just poor quarterbacks play this last season.
So you're banking on a lot of things getting cleaned
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up very quickly and at the highest level of football.
I'm just not sure it's ever gonna happen. Mike Grant
are joining us PFF dot Com. That's Pro Football Focus.
They go through the rank every guy in the upcoming
NFL Draft, which, look, it's gonna be a virtual drafts
not gonna affect our world at all. It's gonna be different,
but gonna be fun and interesting, as I think everybody
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will will need it for something to do. Uh, you
mentioned when I said quarterback. When I said rankings, you
said quarterback. That's because we didn't mention Chase Young obviously
massive different position. Um I, I can't compare a quarterback
to a guy who's, you know, a defensive end, but
I can't compare him to previous defensive ends like a
Nick Bosa. How did Chase Young grade out in comparison
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to Nick Bosa? Yeah, so he had the highest grade
we've ever given to an edge defender. That's higher than
that goes back to Mile Scarrett, that goes back to
Joey Bosa and Nick Bosa at the highest single season grade.
And it really wasn't even close. Like I've truly never
seen anything like this. I've only been doing this force,
but you know, graduated in twelve college, but that last
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eight years he's better than Jaman Clowney, better than Miles Garrett,
and he is as athletic as those guys as well.
So I think we're really about to see something special
at the NFL level. Like Nick, both hit the ground
running as well as any you know, defensive ends in
recent memory has hit it. And I think we're about
to Chase Young be even better this upcoming season. He
is just a special, special type of vent defender prospect
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that I mean, there's no such thing as can't miss
in the NFL draft, but if healthy, he's can't miss
all right. If you take away Chase Young and Joe
Burrow is two of the next rated prospect, or is
it Jerry Judy is a Derrek Brown Isaiah Simmons. Who's
who's the next rated prospect? I think it's two. It's
too on our board, uh, just because of we factor
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in quarterback and the value of that to some degree.
If you're not factoring that in, I think it's your
I think he is that special of a prospect. I mean,
watched the way this guy runs routes and he looks
like he's been in the NFL for a decade and
has every trick in the book. He just really is
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special in that regard, And that's that's usually the thing
that you're trying to with these you know, modern wide
receivers who don't need to have that to win at
the college. Well, that's usually the thing you're like, Oh,
you know, we'll teach him to run routes. He has
the athleticism. Judy not only has the athleticism, he already
has the routes down. So uh, to me, he is
the best wide receiver prospect we've seen, probably since about
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Amari Cooper back in two thousand and fifteen. That was
how big is the drop off between Jerry Judy and
A And I don't know if Ceedee Lamb or Henry Ruggs, Like,
who's the next why? I'm not saying that that you're
wrong about Judy. I'm just wondering, how how long, how
how big is drop off statistically is there between Judy
and others. I think there's a little bit of a
drop off, but I don't think it's that big. Like
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that's why people are saying this is a special wide
receiver class. You've heard it I'm sure everyone has by now,
but it's because Ceedee Lamb does a lot of those
things well, Like he's not a dynamic and athlete's duty,
but is already a really polished route runner has it
is probably a little more physical and a little more better,
a little better in contested cat situations than Henry Ruggs.
It's a type of athlete like we really haven't seen
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coming into the NFL in quite a while, like John
Ross's staff, but he wasn't the guy who could win
jump balls like Henry Ruggs. Four to seven that hast
vertical and he's throwing him you know, fades in the
red zone and he's going up over and dbs and
getting it. So this really is at the top of
the wide receiver class. Pretty special. Like they're gonna pass
on some of these guys because it goes deep and
you can get one of the second round. But I
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feel good about those, uh, those three guys at the
toppy and something special at the NFL level, all right.
It's also a really good offensive tackle draft. Andrew Thomas,
we had on from Georgia's solid for your starter right
started since the day he walked in. Jedrick Willis we
had on Kirk Farren's who he was. He couldn't have
more praise for Tristan Worfs, not just in how good
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he is is a right tackles, he thinks to move
to left, and that he still has potential for improvement
because he's he's only a third year player. Um, and
there's McKay Beckton, who's just a physical freak at Louisville.
Give me your grades on the on the tackles and
the difference between those guys. Yeah, so I said the
wider serio classes special. I think the staff class is
right up there with that wider siver class because not
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only are these guys really good and really physically feeling,
they're all young. Like, these guys are all junior, true
juniors coming out third year players, and you go back
to you know, Quinn Nelson coming on Notre Dame was
a senior. Like these guys who are usually at the
top of the draft are not usually coming out young
because often the line of such a skilled position that
needs to be developed. And so to have four guys
at the top, all true juniors, all playing as well
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as these guys have, it is pretty rare. Beckton is
the one kind of wild card of the group. Like
we've seen elite level football from Andrew Thomas, you know,
George that we've seen it from worse already in our
grading when we've seen it from Wills, but Beckton he's
been really up and down. But man, you cannot teach
a six ft seven pounder to move the way he
does like you fall in love with just get you know,
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flashbacks of Orlando Pace, Bryan McKinney with this guy and
what he could become. And now he at Louisville switched
sides based on the formation as his freshman sophomore year,
so he was at left tackle one play and then
right tackle the next play, and really, like that's impossible
to have to do, really screwed up this development. Finally
this past year got to play left tackle, only headed
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by far as best season, but still really work in
progress in terms of his past protection. So I would
lean those other three guys before I take back in.
But you know, those physical tools only come around once
every decade or so. It's snug atlive show here on
Fox Sports Radio, Mike Grinners our guest Pro football folks
gonna PFF dot Com for the best analysis leading up
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to the NFL Draft. Is there a name of a
skill position guy which America doesn't know. You guys at PFF,
no love, and we're gonna hear it called the first
first night and you're gonna go, you know what, that
guy is gonna be a baller. Oh, that's a good question, um,
skilled position guy. So I don't think any running backs
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end up going in the first round. I think the
one guy who really isn't I don't know if America
doesn't know, but it's production is not great, but advanced
that say that he probably, you know, it should be
a first round or as Pcus t and Rker like
he only had some like six yards this past season,
but he had the third highest rate of off target
throws of any wide receiver in the country. Like his
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TCUs quarterback situation was a disaster and he has he
was in the bottom ten even the year prior to
that as a sophomore, but still went over a thousand yards.
This guy he jumped over a leven footing the broad
jump at the combine over a fort vertical. His explosiveness
personified at like five eleven two oh five could probably
play running backs really wanted him to at that size,
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but he gets open deep, and so I think he's
pretty much a lock at this point to go on
the first round with that explosiveness and with that deep dude. Yeah, no,
no concerns over have you was in the the forty
time wasn't great? Yeah, so the four time was a
little disappointing, But I think who is it said? You
know down Jeremiah had it on from his trainer that
he was running for three is all in the lead
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up and he watched him on Cape and he gets
open like he is running past guys fast cornerbacks there
in the big twelve. He is separating down the football field.
So no real concerns with that. Slow time for me,
not slowish every four four seven, relatively slow to what
we're expected, right, relatively slow for for for for burners.
Mike Renner at PFF underscore Mike or you got a
PF dot com for the best analysis leaving up to
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the NFL Draft, My great stuff man, thanks so much
for joining us. For sure. Thanks be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
three pm Easter noon Pacific. I saw this all Decade
team and Aaron Rodgers is the other quarterback with Tom Brady.
They did fifty three selections. They've done first team and
second team. This year they just did fifty three selections.
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Remember that means no Drew Brees, That means no Eli Manning,
that means no Big Ben Right of the quarterbacks of
that era. Uh, those are the ones that was chosen.
And I don't know if we'll see much push back
on it, right because if you look back at two
thousand ten to two thousand twenty, who else is there?
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Like Mahomes is only the last two years Drew Brees
broke records won a Super Bowl, went to another Super Bowl.
But there it's you know, here's what I feel about
Aaron Rodgers. I think we're gonna look back. We're gonna
look back. And and what what you say by putting
Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers both on that team is
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you're saying what I've always said, which is Brady is
the most accomplished, Rogers is the most talented. And I
know Rodgers has won a Super Bowl. I get it,
um could have won the MVP a couple of years
ago when they lost the Falcons in the playoffs. I
know he's won a super Bowl, but it almost feels
like he's working the way of a Damn Marino. You know,
(27:58):
because if I mentioned Damn Reno to anybody else who
didn't wasn't alive during that I mentioned it to Ryan
Music Music. Did you ever see Dan Marino play when
Dan Marino was playing? I don't believe so no, And
if I did, I don't have any lasting memory of it. Okay,
So when I say Dan Marino, what do you think, well,
(28:19):
Ace Ventura or just you know what people say about
how good he was back in the day in what way?
I mean? I just remember how everyone mentions that he
was the type of player who I don't know if
it was like four thousand yards or five thousand yards,
how he was putting up passing numbers way before we
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ever saw the explosion of you know, passing offenses in
the past decade or so. Right, they were a little
bit ahead of it. I mean, you know, um, I'd
say Dan Fouts was even more ahead of it, right
with air Cory all but but teaming with Shula and
getting Don Shula, who was an old school coach, to
to buy into you going for wide yeah, I mean,
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and then after him it was it was then, uh,
what's saying Kelly um Jim Kelly up in Buffalo, right,
And Jim Kelly appeared in for super Bowls, didn't win
any damn. Marino only appeared in one, didn't win it.
Of course it was to Joe Montana. And I do
feel I feel like like Marino doesn't hold any records
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like those records are now held by And this is
interesting that in the two thousand's we didn't mention Peyton Manning,
but Peyton Manning before the before his last year, if
you go back, and even when he won, there were
a lot of people that said Peyton Manning is the
greatest quarterback of all time, and the pushback was always,
what do you do in the playoffs? Five quarterback in
the playoffs? Any when he won his second super Bowl,
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it wasn't because of him. Aaron Rodgers is going to
be remembered as of now unless there can be one
more Surgeon and one more super Bowl and one more
super Bowl win like he doesn't. We have the two
super Bowls that that Eli has, that Big Ben has,
that Elway has, that Breeze has, like two Superowl appearances,
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and I'm not putting the blame on Aaron Rodgers. He's
been big in big spots. He's a great quarterback. He
is the best overall thrower of the football. You check
all the boy he checks every box I've ever seen.
But he's gonna be a guy. You're gonna have to
go back and tell your kids, no, no no, no, listen.
I know Breeze holds this record. I know Brady won
this many Super Bowls. I know that that that Peyton's
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still on commercials and he's seen as the smartest quarterback.
I know Big Ben one two in ELI one too.
But you gotta just trust me. Aaron Rodgers is as
good or better than any of them. He's gonna be
the you gotta trust me guy. And I think it's
fascinating that whoever these voters were respected him enough, and
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it's voted on by Pro Football Hall of Fame voters.
So like dudes that know these are former Hall of
famers and the Hall of Fame voters that followed football,
they all know he's the most talented. They all know it.
And I would guess that part of the reason Aaron
Rodgers is the way he is perceived because I don't
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think I know Aaron Rodgers a little bit, and there's
always a little bit of truth to some of the rumors,
you know, like is he tough to deal with? Yeah,
But if you were with the Green Bay Packers and
people widely regard you as the best at your craft
for over a decade and you've only been to one
Super Bowl, like you'd kind of be TikTok to begin with.
Then you factor in that he's always carried a chip
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on his shoulder for where he was drafted, for how
he sat behind Brett Farve, for how Brett Farve did
not mentor him during his time for the Big Shoes,
that he had to feel like all those that would
make you kind of salty too. Then you factor in
the fact that he's a really opinionated guy, very bright guy,
and uh can can rub people as a penie needed
the wrong way. I think it's fascinating, like will he
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end up as the I know he's won a Super Bowl?
I know, so you could go, you know, Matt Ryan,
or you could go to somebody else who Philip Rivers,
who never appeared in the Super Bowl. But Aaron Rodgers
widely considered as if not the best, the second best
quarterback in the NFL, so much so over the last
decade he was voting the All Decade team. Yet without
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the volume of quality wins in the playoffs, I feel
like he's gonna be remember like a marino, which is
not a bad thing, but it is definitely a unique
and different thing and not always a successful thing. Fox
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you beer guy. I'm not a big beer guy. I
can't say I'm a big beer guy. Um, I know,
but we're all quarantine. I didn't know if that changed
during quarantine. Uh, I'm more. I'm more of a wine guy.
I'm more wine. Listen you in music and talk red wine,
(33:09):
white wine. I'm a rare winer. Uh. If you're gonna
like generally you don't have to give me the making
the model, but like Merlow cab, Like, what do we drama?
I'm a I'm a cab guy. How did you get
into wine? You know? Man? It's crazy one. I was
in green Bally obviously. You know, Charles Woodson was coming
(33:29):
from the Raiders, big wine guy, so you know wherever
whenever we used to go out, he always said he's
bottles of wine and all that type stuff. And he
started pouring meat glasses and I'm like, oh, so, man,
I don't even know beers are no hard liquor around
her mouth and to sip on this wine, man, And
I just I've just been on wine man, ever since
my rookie year in Green Bay. Man. So shout out
(33:50):
to Charles. All right, he's also got you in the wallet,
because red wine, a good red wine, is not exactly
Chief James Jones joined us on on the Doug Gotlip Show.
How is your quarantine treating you? Like you at the
home front? Where where are you doing this thing? Man?
I'm at home, Man, I'm in Arizona right now. Man,
I'm at home. I'm just chilling, man like everybody else. Man.
(34:11):
I try to go outside in the backyard and all
that with the kids and all that and run them around.
Man burns some energy. Man. I think that's the hardest
thing through this whole thing. Man. Kids can't sit still.
Kids is all over the place. So I was trying
to find something for them to do occupy their time.
So we've been, uh, we've been making it. Man. Hopefully
everybody else is out there making the man staying safe. Man.
But I've just been trying to stay moving, man, but
(34:33):
you know, try to try to keep it in the house.
How how different and how difficult do you think this
this NFL draft is going to be, uh, the the
NFL Draft is gonna be. Oh. Man, I think it's
gonna be very difficult, man, because you better believe it's
gonna be some people who didn't get their picks in
and you know, the technology goes down and Internet goes
(34:54):
down and things like that, so it's gonna be different
for everybody. Man. Um. Hopefully each person has one of
their scouts and one of their you know, best friends
right next to Roger Dedale, so if anything goes down,
they could call him and let let him know. Um,
this is the guy we're taking. But man, this is
just a difficult time. Man. I was talking to some
(35:15):
of my friends about this the other day. Man. It
just sucks for a lot of the young guys that
you know are not the Joe Burrows and are not
the tools. Man. That you know, they depend on their
pro days. They depend on on that stuff to show
theirselves and get drafted, man, and they haven't been able
to work out for teams or do anything like that.
And now the draft is is going this way. Man.
(35:35):
So I just I just feel for those guys man,
that you know, haven't been really able to show themselves.
All Right, I want to get some MENIPHL draft stuff
in a second, but first I want to ask you
the the All Decade team came out yesterday. Yeah. Pro
Football of Fame voters voted on it. The quarterbacks, I
think a lot of people have perked up their ears.
(35:55):
Aaron Rodgers. Of course you played with and Tom Brady. Uh,
they did choose two, they didn't choose one. Do you
agree with that that over the last decade, Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady the two best quarterbacks in the NFL, hands down.
And to me, it's not even close. Man. When you
talk about how dominant those two beIN man over this span, Man,
it's been unmatched. I mean, and you can you can,
(36:16):
you can put up other people's stats and it might
be closed. But when you talk about guys and what
they mean to their team and how dominant they were. Man.
To me, it's not even close. Man. You're talking about
guys that want multiple m vps in this in this decade. Man,
they were dominant at their position. Well deserved there there
are Rogers. Is gonna be interesting how he goes down
historically if they don't get to another super Bowl. Like
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you and I are in agreement, and obviously you play
with them, you know the sport, having played it and
analyzed it as well, I'm wondering the next generation if
he doesn't get to another stuper Bowl, does he become
maybe Marino esque, you know, and like Drew has been
to two, Peyton one to you know, went to three obviously, Uh,
Brady has been the nine. You know, even Eli and
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Ben have have have one too. How important do you
think for his legacy another super Bowl will be? Uh?
To be honest with you, I really don't think it
will mean anything. I mean, it'll mean something to him
because he wants to win a super Bowl Bowl. When
you talk about the things that he's done in this
league this far and all the things he's accomplished. I mean,
he's the first ballot Hall of Famer, you know, And
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I think it's crazy when people talk about Aaron Rodgers
because they've seen how special he is and they've seen
the things that he has done, and he's great a
different you know what I mean. Because there's a lot
of guys that got one Super Bowl that were easily
hands down first ballot Hall of Famers, you know what
I mean. But since it's Aaron Rodgers and we've seen
him be so special on the football field, you know,
(37:44):
he's kind of great at a little different which is
you know, which is unfair. But he understands that this
is supposed that he put himself in, you know, because
the way he's played on the football field. But I
don't think he has to do anything else. Man. To
be honest with you, man, what I've seen from Aaron Rodgers,
and it should be for everybody what we've seen him
do on that football field. We all know that he's
the first brout of all the fame period. Um tom
(38:07):
Brady's in Tampa. Tom Brady's got great weaponry around him,
but it's not the usual weaponry like right Trey Brown, Ratchete, Halwell,
uh Uh, Julian Edelman, West Welker. He always has one
of those underneath guys in the slot option routes third
down or running back out of the backfield that can
(38:28):
catch it. How tough do you think it's gonna be
for him to assimilate to even if they have better talent,
it's not the Maybe the fit isn't as as as
good or normal for him. How difficult to transition do
you think that'll be? You know, this this is all
to be interested in to wash toom this year because
a lot of people don't understand how big of an
arm you have to have in Bruce arians offense. Bruce
(38:50):
Arians don't really have a lot of fire. Are routes
in his offense. These are yard routing down the field.
I mean, you've seen Jamie's play, You seen Carson Palmer
playing his office. These are big time routes down the field.
So I'm wondering if Tom still has the arm strength
to get this done on a consistent basis. You know,
he's so used to working Julian Edelman and working you know,
(39:14):
West Walker in the slots, you know and things like that. Yeah,
when he had Randy, he took shots down the field
because that was kind of a younger Tom. It's gonna
be interesting to see if his arm is gonna hold
up to be able to make these dick time throws
in his office that goes down that field, you know,
twenty thirty yards, you know, on a consistent basis, So
it'll be interesting. Man. But yes, you spoke on the weapons.
I mean you got God, when you got Evans, I
(39:36):
mean you got Howard. You know, you have a bunch
of guys out there that can make clays, you know
for Tom Brady, so you know, the star power is
not the problem. But Kenny, is he gonna be able
to make new strolls consistently? Can you explain the DeAndre
Hopkins straight to me? You know what, man, everybody's been
has been calling me crazy because I said, I love it.
(39:58):
I'm a big I'm a big hot fan, and I
feel like DeAndre Hopkins is one of the best in
the business right now, as we all think he is.
But I feel like DJ Man, David Johnson, you whin,
He's healthy playing at a high level. Is one of
the best dual threat backs we got in this game too,
running in and catching it. So I don't know why,
but something that's telling me that him and Deshaun Watson
(40:18):
are gonna be dominant if he could stay healthy, you know,
with DJ coming out the backfield, and then on the
other side, you get Colin Murray, another star power, to
go with Larry fish Jail, to go with Kristen Kirk,
to go with t Sean Johnson, you know, to go
with my man in the backfield, um coming out the backfield.
So you know, it's it's it's a win win for
(40:40):
both teams. In my humble opinion, I know people may
look like, oh, David Jonhonasan wash has been hurt and
you know Hopkins been following. But if you get a
healthy DJ man this this this trade could look a
lot better than a lot of people think. I agree
with you, Like people forget three years ago, he was
a dynamic, dominant threat and and when he got hurt
two years ago, it was the hand. It wasn't like
it was a knee or a back right, wasn't something
(41:01):
that that's the debility And he just didn't fit necessarily
with what what Arizona was doing with their with their
new offense. But he does make a lot of money
and they didn't get a first round pick. And I think,
you know, people agree with you on DeAndre Hopkins on
on just how good he can be. Uh. Will Stefon
Diggs be happier with Josh Allen who he'll be the guy?
But Josh Allen wildly inaccurate in comparison to Kirk Cousins.
(41:24):
Oh man, it's oh, that's that's that's good question. You
know this one, We're gonna have to wait and see,
man for me to play out. But what I do
think is he'll get a lot more opportunities because I
definitely know that Josh Allen will take a lot more
chances down the field than Kirk Cousins. Wheel And I
think that's all Stefon Diggs is acting for it. Just
give me the opportunity to make plays. You know, I
(41:46):
always gotta be wide open. It's okay, but the as
a guy right there, give me an opportunity to be special.
And Josh Allen will give him all the opportunity, especially
shot to down the field. He has a huge are
so he'll have them opportunities to make them make plays,
to be able to show the world what he can do.
James Jones joining us here on The Doug Gotlip Show
(42:07):
on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, there is a ton of talent,
ton of talent. Uh in this draft for from the
wide receiver position. You know you're only third rounder obviously
and had an unbelievable career. If you were going to
tell one of these wide receivers like, look, I get
it your draft, your first round pick. But here's how,
here's how you make it and stick and have a
(42:30):
tenure career in the league. What's the secret throughout running?
Rout running? I tell all the young fellas all the time. Man,
when you get in the National Football League, everybody fast,
everybody's smart, everybody tough. You know, everybody's super athletic. You know,
so your speed is only gonna last year for so long.
You have to be able to run these routes and
(42:52):
to be able to be a crafty route runner if
you want to stay in the league for a long time.
You watch Larry Fitzgerald. He's not blowing to is off
of anybody. Very crafty, very route runner. So it doesn't
matter if you come out there and you're Patrick Peterson
and he's round four at three. I'm a crafty route runner.
I know how to get open. You watch Jason Witten,
He's not out running nobody. He come off the TV
(43:13):
and he knows how to run routes, create separation. That's
topping a lot. It's route running in the National Football
League if you want to play for a long time,
So young fellas, perfect your craft route running if you
want to last in the league for a long time
and make a lot of money. Eighty nine Jones n
T a F. That's James Jones, super Bowl champion, NFL
network analysts and currently a kid wrangler in his backyard
(43:37):
in the Phoenix area. That will, That will get you
in better shape than anything else. James, so happy that
you're healthy and having a good time with your family.
Appreciates you. Join us on Fox Sports Radio. Not a problem,
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I say this, Please do not rush out of your homes.
We're still under quarantine. Everybody's still on lockdown. But but
there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Like I'm not I'm not to the Clay Travis level yet.
(00:44):
I don't believe this was a hoax. I think computer
models sometimes don't measure out everything, you know, Like, look,
the big fear with coronavirus and this is supposed to
be the peak week or next week is the peak
week winter. The big fear was not just the deaths
from the virus, but the fact that because there in
a short period of time there are so many cases
(01:07):
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and you couldn't treat enough people. Right. That was the
calculation based upon the occupancy level of hospital beds and
this if we didn't go on lockdown, the overwhelming number
(01:29):
of cases. At the same time, it's not just the
number of cases, as people say all the time, it's
loyal flu. People get the flu and that. Yeah, but
the flu, there's not these spikes in it. It's not
a new virus introduced to our population per se that
that is as deadly and spreads as rapidly like this
spreads really really quickly, and it's a wide spectrum. So
that was the fear. You know, I I have I
(01:52):
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one of my kids is a good friend and she's
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You can't have the practice. And it's not just because
these kids probably won't get sick, won't suffer symptoms, but
their grandparents do they go to the hospital, will just
be overwhelmed. That the problem in some of the calculation
(02:14):
appears to be not just that social distancing is working,
but also that because we've been on lockdown, there's elective
surgeries are not happening, and there's not as many d
Uise car accidents, etcetera. Right, there is, there's some good
to it, and the occupancy level of the hospitals is
down and the number of cases isn't as bad as
(02:35):
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stick and stick with us here at Fox Sports Radio.
Will give you all the sports that you need, all
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appears that if we keep doing this for I don't know,
(02:56):
another week, maybe two weeks, like it is gonna work.
Now here's what's gonna happen. Both sides are gonna Claire
to claim Claire victory, which is in is interesting because
it relates to Brady and Belichick. Look, Brady and Belichick
are the greatest tandem quarterback end coach in the history
(03:17):
of football. Nine Super Bowls. And the crazy part is
there's like a there was a tenure run without a
Super Bowl win. We forget Brady towards a c L.
They didn't win the year they were eighteen and O
losing the Super Bowl sixteen on the regular season, Like
there's a stretcher. Actually, their best team didn't win a
super Bowl, and that team came back the next year
and Brady didn't play. But the point is nine super
(03:42):
bowls will not be replicated. I do not believe the
likelyod is very, very very slight, even with Pat Mahomes
who probably should have gone to one two years ago
and did go to one on one one this year
and he's in his early twenties. But but I read
yesterday rads UH Players Tribune Peace and Belichick's mentioned once
(04:07):
no new information in there. We know he's competitive, we
know he's looking for something different. If he got along
with his coach, if they were close, you wouldn't have
left right, Like, there's no new information there. But my
big takeaway is this is what happens when people win,
is everybody wants credit, right Uh. The scientists that gave
(04:33):
us that fear and and pointed out that if we
don't flatten the curve, this could be a problem for
the entirety of the year and change life on Earth
as we know it. They were declare victory because they'll say, hey,
look we saw, we did social distancing, we toulcial distancing.
(04:54):
And you know, look if it uh, if we didn't
do it, a curve would have not been flattened and
hundreds of thousands of people would have died. They will declare,
but so too will the this is a hoax, This
is a right out. The storm guy will be like, look,
you guys wig massively over did it. You killed the economy.
(05:16):
You did it for political gain or whatever. They'll declare victory.
Everyone's looking there for their confirmation bias. I knew it.
It was to bring down the president. I knew it.
If we flatten the curve, will we we'd be okay.
And maybe you're both right, maybe you're both wrong. The
truth is somewhere in the middle. And you know what,
the only thing that matters is less people are dying,
(05:38):
and we'll be okay. And in all honesty, if the
takeaway is I guess what. The air is clean again,
the water is clean again. We can actually go on
walks and talk to each other, have family dinners like
they ain't the worst thing in the world. Do I
want to n say a tournament? Yeah? Do I want
the master? Sure? Do I want I want my life
back a little bit. But if society improves, become of it,
(06:00):
and we we find out that for pandemics that come
in the future, we can do this and still survive.
It ain't the worst thing ever, right, it ain't the
worst thing ever. Brady and Belichick, your confirmation by like,
whatever your confirmation biases, you are not in your head today.
(06:22):
If you're a Belichick guy, you're sitting there. Go and
see Brady only mentioned Belichick once. He still doesn't respect
what Bill did to build did for him. You know,
it's just in the case of a guy wanted to
go off on his own, and he doesn't appreciate a
respect a coach, a coach whose old school coach, he
treats him like everybody else. A coach who's built a
winner around him for twenty years, he doesn't. If you're
a Belichick guy, you like, see, Brady wants to do
(06:44):
his own thing. You know, Brady's been part of the band.
Now he wants to go solo. It's a solo album.
When the truth is, he's best when he's with the band.
If you're a Brady guy, you're like, so he told
you Brady wanted to do his own thing. He's tired
of the oppressive of leadership of Belichick in the Patriot,
This wasn't that fun. It wants a challenge, but he
(07:08):
wants credit. Belichick wants credit. That's what the that's human nature,
human nature. That's what we're learning from this coronavirus, which
the pandemic. I think it's gonna be thwarted. I mean, like, look,
it's very very sad. I'm not saying I'm not sympathetic
to people who have lost their lives or their lives
have been changed forever by it. I'm not. But in
(07:31):
comparison to the models which at one point in time
showed us we might lose one point five million Americans
if change isn't made, it feels like a hurricane that
was coming that was gonna be really bad, that just
swiped us and wasn't. We didn't get the full brunt
of the blow, right right, Brady and Belichick instead of celebrating,
(07:58):
hey man, it was eighteen great here, nineteen great years,
twenty great years. There's incredible partnership that lived at nine
supers and six super wins and complete and utter domination,
actual humiliation of the a f C East. There were
some good football teams, there were some good coaches that
fell by the wayside, and and there were some bad
ones in the a f C East. Nobody cares about
(08:20):
them because the Patriots kicked everybody's ass seemingly every year.
But instead of celebrating that, we go to our corners,
We pick our sides, and we chose who the winner
is because somebody has to get credit. Brady is in
search of credit and fun and out of boys, and
(08:40):
his way does work. Belichick the same. No new information
in Brady's peace. Yeah, got it. You're a successful guy,
You're a competitive guy. You liked your time in Boston.
Patriot fans are the best. These are the best times.
You just want to try something new. Could have written
to myself without even talking to Tom Brady. I'm not
(09:00):
diminishing it, but none of this is new information and
only feeds into our confirmation bias. Brady wanted to do
his own thing only feeds into the Belichick fans as well.
See Belichick was right. Brady is about Brady gonna do it,
wants to do himself, wants to prove his way works
(09:21):
when he doesn't truly respect, or honor or have the
right feeling and give the right amount of credit to
Bill Belichick. This is what people do. We do it
during times of crisis with the pandemic, we do it
during times of success. Everybody wants credit. Our president wants credit,
(09:43):
the scientists gonna want credit, The naysayers will want credit
instead of somebody stepping up and going like, hey, all
of you, look, however, we got to this place. It's
not nearly doesn't appear to be nearly as bad at
s feared it could be. And the same goes from
(10:04):
Belichick and Brady. Hey, you two, you guys do realize
you had the greatest run in the history of modern sports.
Nobody's done that like football, way more so than baseball
or basketball. Half the teams that make the playoffs don't
make it the next year. Half the teams don't make
(10:27):
the playoffs next year. Go back and look at what
the Patriots were able to accomplish during Tom Brady's time
as quarterback, and you'll notice something. Uh, that happened almost
every year, every year except for the one year he
(10:47):
was hurt, they made the playoffs, right Uh. And there
was one other year, I think two thousand two that
they make the playoffs, won the Super Bowl, didn't make
the playoffs, and then didn't make one year. You're talking
about since two thousand and one, essentially twenty years they
missed the playoffs together once and instead of celebrating that
(11:10):
as the most miraculous and incredible and ridiculous, like, look,
since two thousand three, they've won double digit games every
year and only once was it ten games, instead of
mentioning that it's the I want to do it my way.
I want I want my own parade, I want my
(11:32):
own thing. I want to be recognized as being the guy,
which is no different than when we choose our sides
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the NFL Draft. Renter, I need personal opinion. This is
not statistical data that you guys have been able to
provide at Pro Football Focus. What do you think of
the Buccaneers new issue uniforms. I'm a fan. They're pretty slick.
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I thought they're old ones for a little dull. They
needed a change, and it was Tom Brady there. You
gotta get you need something new, fresh to get fans going.
Um what about? I mean, I like, I'm surprised there
wasn't pewter. I mean, I'm sure there's gonna be a
Pewter uniform. But what about is that? Is that what
the dark gray one is that considered pewter? I thought
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it was right? Or am I? It feels darker? It
feels it feels darker. I guess I get I'm looking
at a different picture. I like the Pewter. Um, I
don't know why Why not throwing a creamsicle? That is
the big question? Like, that's there, that's the money. Let's
be one that everyone loves. So I'm surprised. Maybe they're
saving that's like, uh, color rush, It's possible, possible, the
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color rush would probably I think the Pewter is the
color rush because it's all great. But anyway, um, okay,
let me again before we get to the draft stuff.
I think the big question with Brady is everybody thinks
he can still throw a deep ball. But he's an
underneath guy, right, isn't he isn't he dinking dunk? Isn't he? Westwalker,
Troy Brown, Julian Edelman, Like, isn't that the focus of
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how he likes to play? Like these big play wide receivers,
That's not generally how he plays football. Yeah, So it's
he's capable. He's just good enough at it where he
makes you respect that deep ball, makes you respect that intermediate.
But to where you you have to you know, you
have to drop those linebackers and zone. You have to
get that depth. You can't just sit on the underneath
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stuff like they do like an Alex Smith. So he
is at least capable of that. But yes, like I said,
over the course of his career, he has made his
money alf was hitting those underneath patterns accurately with timing
so that it gives the guy the best opportunity for
yards after the catch, and it will be different. And
it's just because you know, he has been good enough
at the interviewed in deep level. It doesn't mean all
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of a sudden, now they've thrown every single you know,
the majority of his passes there, which is Bruce arians
often that it's gonna work out. And I think that's
the interesting thing in all of this is going to
be a massive, massive shine from what we're used to
with them, and no one knows what's gonna look like.
Doug gotlive show here on Fox Sports Radio. All right,
let's get to uh, let's get to the upcoming NFL
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NFL draft. Um, what do you guys had PFF think
about Joe Burrow fans? I mean, he just put up
the highest graded season we've ever given to a quarterback.
Now we've only been doing it for six years, but
it was far and away the most impressive quarterback season
we've seen in the last six years. And yes, he's older,
and yes he had a lot of talent around him
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at l s U. But I'm of the opinion that
the accuracy that he showed there, like NFL qbs couldn't
go into that offense and did the same thing that
he did. He was just so on another level accurate
with the football on throws ten plus yards down field
to retract the ball placement of every throw, he was
over eight percent more accurate than any quarterback we've ever
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charted in our six years of doing this on throws
templates yards down field, so just an absolute you know,
perfection in terms of the ball placement. Some of these
throws that I just have a I would be difficult
in my mind to see him bust him, you know,
completely not becoming a starter in three years down the
road in the NFL. I think at least he's going
to turn into an average NFL quarterback. All right, if
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you you take him off the board, who's next from
your rakings? I mean, it's too uh, it's two less
fully healthy. If that hip really isn't going to be
a problem the next year he is. And you know,
if Joe Burrow doesn't exist, he's a number one overall
pick right now. That's how good of a quarterback he
was at the college level. And the interesting thing was
we just we saw Joe Burrow play you know, rough
up and down football in two thousand and eighteen. We
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never saw that from two when he was on the
field and healthy, he played elite level quarterback. And even
going back to the freshman year, coming in the National
Championship game leaving them back against Georgia like, he always
played well. And yes he had a ton of town
around him. But again, you can judge the accuracy of
the football. You can judge the decisions she was making,
and they were for the most part right and accurate.
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So I do think that to Uh should be the guy.
If you're the Dolphins, if you're the Chargers, that's the guy.
You got to go up again. Okay, So after Tah
is there a is there a massive drop and who's
third at the quarterback position or just overall here quarterback? Okay? Yeah,
so there is, And I don't think you know, that's
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why I said you've got to go up and get
to it, because I really just don't want just In
Herbert or Jordan Love in the top five of this class.
I mean one, I can't see an NFL GM taking
Jordan's Love after he almost threw more interceptions than touchdowns
in the top ten. Like you just you get roasted
by your fan base on draft day and then two
years down the line if it doesn't work out, your
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your job like that for you, Like you can't miss
that play that high in the draft. So I do
think Jordan Leve will fall. But even Herbert, the problem
with him is he's got a Caniford arm and he's
fairly after it. But why are we not talking about
this guy who has a Caniford arm is fairly accurate
as the SUREFI or top pick. It's because he has
the exact same problems on tape we saw as a
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freshman that he now has a senior There's been really
very little development. Every big game that he plays in
he disappears as a pastor. And it's between the ear
stuff that you can't really coach up that you just
gotta have. That is the biggest question mark with him.
And I don't think there's a fixing that at the
NFL level. Yeah, it's it's a it's a big question. Okay.
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So then there's Jordan's Love, who had a disappointing year
this year. But people want to say, okay, look at
Mahomes and he is the most like Mahomes. Um when
you when when when you see Jordan's Love, what do
you see? You do see that? I mean you see
plays on tape where he adjust the way his arm
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angle to put touch on the ball to drop it
in over a linebacker and underneath the safety. And you
see him outside the pocket on the move drop a dime.
That's just only handful of the quarterbacks you know, even
in the NFL can make he has that sort of arm,
talent and play making ability, But just the consistency aspect
is difficult for me to get over. And I probably
if I'm leaving the first round, I probably would rather
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come away with Jordan Love because you could be getting
an elite quarterback like he could develop into that. He
has more of those uh more of those things than
adjusin Herbert, But I think his floor is also bottom out.
You know, throws more picks and touchdowns the next year
and just leads and can't lead an offense whatsoever state
of life, because I mean that's what we saw this
past year at Utah State. When things go bad. It
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was like quicksand and a lot. You had a lot
of chances this year in the second half of games
to come back, and he just tried to do way
too much. And like I said, the consistency aspect, it's
not just the bad decision, it's the footwork that then consists.
You know, his pocket presence isn't consistent and it led
to just a lot just poor quarterbacks play this last season.
So you're banking on a lot of things getting cleaned
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up very quickly and at the highest level of football.
I'm just not sure it's ever gonna happen. Mike Grant
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will will need it for something to do. Uh, you
mentioned when I said quarterback. When I said rankings, you
said quarterback. That's because we didn't mention Chase Young obviously
massive different position. Um I, I can't compare a quarterback
to a guy who's, you know, a defensive end, but
I can't compare him to previous defensive ends like a
Nick Bosa. How did Chase Young grade out in comparison
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to Nick Bosa? Yeah, so he had the highest grade
we've ever given to an edge defender. That's higher than
that goes back to Mile Scarrett, that goes back to
Joey Bosa and Nick Bosa at the highest single season grade.
And it really wasn't even close. Like I've truly never
seen anything like this. I've only been doing this force,
but you know, graduated in twelve college, but that last
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eight years he's better than Jaman Clowney, better than Miles Garrett,
and he is as athletic as those guys as well.
So I think we're really about to see something special
at the NFL level. Like Nick, both hit the ground
running as well as any you know, defensive ends in
recent memory has hit it. And I think we're about
to Chase Young be even better this upcoming season. He
is just a special, special type of vent defender prospect
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that I mean, there's no such thing as can't miss
in the NFL draft, but if healthy, he's can't miss
all right. If you take away Chase Young and Joe
Burrow is two of the next rated prospect, or is
it Jerry Judy is a Derrek Brown Isaiah Simmons. Who's
who's the next rated prospect? I think it's two. It's
too on our board, uh, just because of we factor
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in quarterback and the value of that to some degree.
If you're not factoring that in, I think it's your
I think he is that special of a prospect. I mean,
watched the way this guy runs routes and he looks
like he's been in the NFL for a decade and
has every trick in the book. He just really is
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special in that regard, And that's that's usually the thing
that you're trying to with these you know, modern wide
receivers who don't need to have that to win at
the college. Well, that's usually the thing you're like, Oh,
you know, we'll teach him to run routes. He has
the athleticism. Judy not only has the athleticism, he already
has the routes down. So uh, to me, he is
the best wide receiver prospect we've seen, probably since about
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Amari Cooper back in two thousand and fifteen. That was
how big is the drop off between Jerry Judy and
A And I don't know if Ceedee Lamb or Henry Ruggs, Like,
who's the next why? I'm not saying that that you're
wrong about Judy. I'm just wondering, how how long, how
how big is drop off statistically is there between Judy
and others. I think there's a little bit of a
drop off, but I don't think it's that big. Like
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that's why people are saying this is a special wide
receiver class. You've heard it I'm sure everyone has by now,
but it's because Ceedee Lamb does a lot of those
things well, Like he's not a dynamic and athlete's duty,
but is already a really polished route runner has it
is probably a little more physical and a little more better,
a little better in contested cat situations than Henry Ruggs.
It's a type of athlete like we really haven't seen
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coming into the NFL in quite a while, like John
Ross's staff, but he wasn't the guy who could win
jump balls like Henry Ruggs. Four to seven that hast
vertical and he's throwing him you know, fades in the
red zone and he's going up over and dbs and
getting it. So this really is at the top of
the wide receiver class. Pretty special. Like they're gonna pass
on some of these guys because it goes deep and
you can get one of the second round. But I
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feel good about those, uh, those three guys at the
toppy and something special at the NFL level, all right.
It's also a really good offensive tackle draft. Andrew Thomas,
we had on from Georgia's solid for your starter right
started since the day he walked in. Jedrick Willis we
had on Kirk Farren's who he was. He couldn't have
more praise for Tristan Worfs, not just in how good
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he is is a right tackles, he thinks to move
to left, and that he still has potential for improvement
because he's he's only a third year player. Um, and
there's McKay Beckton, who's just a physical freak at Louisville.
Give me your grades on the on the tackles and
the difference between those guys. Yeah, so I said the
wider serio classes special. I think the staff class is
right up there with that wider siver class because not
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only are these guys really good and really physically feeling,
they're all young. Like, these guys are all junior, true
juniors coming out third year players, and you go back
to you know, Quinn Nelson coming on Notre Dame was
a senior. Like these guys who are usually at the
top of the draft are not usually coming out young
because often the line of such a skilled position that
needs to be developed. And so to have four guys
at the top, all true juniors, all playing as well
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as these guys have, it is pretty rare. Beckton is
the one kind of wild card of the group. Like
we've seen elite level football from Andrew Thomas, you know,
George that we've seen it from worse already in our
grading when we've seen it from Wills, but Beckton he's
been really up and down. But man, you cannot teach
a six ft seven pounder to move the way he
does like you fall in love with just get you know,
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flashbacks of Orlando Pace, Bryan McKinney with this guy and
what he could become. And now he at Louisville switched
sides based on the formation as his freshman sophomore year,
so he was at left tackle one play and then
right tackle the next play, and really, like that's impossible
to have to do, really screwed up this development. Finally
this past year got to play left tackle, only headed
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by far as best season, but still really work in
progress in terms of his past protection. So I would
lean those other three guys before I take back in.
But you know, those physical tools only come around once
every decade or so. It's snug atlive show here on
Fox Sports Radio, Mike Grinners our guest Pro football folks
gonna PFF dot Com for the best analysis leading up
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to the NFL Draft. Is there a name of a
skill position guy which America doesn't know. You guys at PFF,
no love, and we're gonna hear it called the first
first night and you're gonna go, you know what, that
guy is gonna be a baller. Oh, that's a good question, um,
skilled position guy. So I don't think any running backs
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end up going in the first round. I think the
one guy who really isn't I don't know if America
doesn't know, but it's production is not great, but advanced
that say that he probably, you know, it should be
a first round or as Pcus t and Rker like
he only had some like six yards this past season,
but he had the third highest rate of off target
throws of any wide receiver in the country. Like his
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TCUs quarterback situation was a disaster and he has he
was in the bottom ten even the year prior to
that as a sophomore, but still went over a thousand yards.
This guy he jumped over a leven footing the broad
jump at the combine over a fort vertical. His explosiveness
personified at like five eleven two oh five could probably
play running backs really wanted him to at that size,
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but he gets open deep, and so I think he's
pretty much a lock at this point to go on
the first round with that explosiveness and with that deep dude. Yeah, no,
no concerns over have you was in the the forty
time wasn't great? Yeah, so the four time was a
little disappointing, But I think who is it said? You
know down Jeremiah had it on from his trainer that
he was running for three is all in the lead
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up and he watched him on Cape and he gets
open like he is running past guys fast cornerbacks there
in the big twelve. He is separating down the football field.
So no real concerns with that. Slow time for me,
not slowish every four four seven, relatively slow to what
we're expected, right, relatively slow for for for for burners.
Mike Renner at PFF underscore Mike or you got a
PF dot com for the best analysis leaving up to
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the NFL Draft, My great stuff man, thanks so much
for joining us. For sure. Thanks be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
three pm Easter noon Pacific. I saw this all Decade
team and Aaron Rodgers is the other quarterback with Tom Brady.
They did fifty three selections. They've done first team and
second team. This year they just did fifty three selections.
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Remember that means no Drew Brees, That means no Eli Manning,
that means no Big Ben Right of the quarterbacks of
that era. Uh, those are the ones that was chosen.
And I don't know if we'll see much push back
on it, right because if you look back at two
thousand ten to two thousand twenty, who else is there?
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Like Mahomes is only the last two years Drew Brees
broke records won a Super Bowl, went to another Super Bowl.
But there it's you know, here's what I feel about
Aaron Rodgers. I think we're gonna look back. We're gonna
look back. And and what what you say by putting
Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers both on that team is
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you're saying what I've always said, which is Brady is
the most accomplished, Rogers is the most talented. And I
know Rodgers has won a Super Bowl. I get it,
um could have won the MVP a couple of years
ago when they lost the Falcons in the playoffs. I
know he's won a super Bowl, but it almost feels
like he's working the way of a Damn Marino. You know,
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because if I mentioned Damn Reno to anybody else who
didn't wasn't alive during that I mentioned it to Ryan
Music Music. Did you ever see Dan Marino play when
Dan Marino was playing? I don't believe so no, And
if I did, I don't have any lasting memory of it. Okay,
So when I say Dan Marino, what do you think, well,
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Ace Ventura or just you know what people say about
how good he was back in the day in what way?
I mean? I just remember how everyone mentions that he
was the type of player who I don't know if
it was like four thousand yards or five thousand yards,
how he was putting up passing numbers way before we
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ever saw the explosion of you know, passing offenses in
the past decade or so. Right, they were a little
bit ahead of it. I mean, you know, um, I'd
say Dan Fouts was even more ahead of it, right
with air Cory all but but teaming with Shula and
getting Don Shula, who was an old school coach, to
to buy into you going for wide yeah, I mean,
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and then after him it was it was then, uh,
what's saying Kelly um Jim Kelly up in Buffalo, right,
And Jim Kelly appeared in for super Bowls, didn't win
any damn. Marino only appeared in one, didn't win it.
Of course it was to Joe Montana. And I do
feel I feel like like Marino doesn't hold any records
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like those records are now held by And this is
interesting that in the two thousand's we didn't mention Peyton Manning,
but Peyton Manning before the before his last year, if
you go back, and even when he won, there were
a lot of people that said Peyton Manning is the
greatest quarterback of all time, and the pushback was always,
what do you do in the playoffs? Five quarterback in
the playoffs? Any when he won his second super Bowl,
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it wasn't because of him. Aaron Rodgers is going to
be remembered as of now unless there can be one
more Surgeon and one more super Bowl and one more
super Bowl win like he doesn't. We have the two
super Bowls that that Eli has, that Big Ben has,
that Elway has, that Breeze has, like two Superowl appearances,
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and I'm not putting the blame on Aaron Rodgers. He's
been big in big spots. He's a great quarterback. He
is the best overall thrower of the football. You check
all the boy he checks every box I've ever seen.
But he's gonna be a guy. You're gonna have to
go back and tell your kids, no, no no, no, listen.
I know Breeze holds this record. I know Brady won
this many Super Bowls. I know that that that Peyton's
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still on commercials and he's seen as the smartest quarterback.
I know Big Ben one two in ELI one too.
But you gotta just trust me. Aaron Rodgers is as
good or better than any of them. He's gonna be
the you gotta trust me guy. And I think it's
fascinating that whoever these voters were respected him enough, and
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it's voted on by Pro Football Hall of Fame voters.
So like dudes that know these are former Hall of
famers and the Hall of Fame voters that followed football,
they all know he's the most talented. They all know it.
And I would guess that part of the reason Aaron
Rodgers is the way he is perceived because I don't
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think I know Aaron Rodgers a little bit, and there's
always a little bit of truth to some of the rumors,
you know, like is he tough to deal with? Yeah,
But if you were with the Green Bay Packers and
people widely regard you as the best at your craft
for over a decade and you've only been to one
Super Bowl, like you'd kind of be TikTok to begin with.
Then you factor in that he's always carried a chip
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on his shoulder for where he was drafted, for how
he sat behind Brett Farve, for how Brett Farve did
not mentor him during his time for the Big Shoes,
that he had to feel like all those that would
make you kind of salty too. Then you factor in
the fact that he's a really opinionated guy, very bright guy,
and uh can can rub people as a penie needed
the wrong way. I think it's fascinating, like will he
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end up as the I know he's won a Super Bowl?
I know, so you could go, you know, Matt Ryan,
or you could go to somebody else who Philip Rivers,
who never appeared in the Super Bowl. But Aaron Rodgers
widely considered as if not the best, the second best
quarterback in the NFL, so much so over the last
decade he was voting the All Decade team. Yet without
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the volume of quality wins in the playoffs, I feel
like he's gonna be remember like a marino, which is
not a bad thing, but it is definitely a unique
and different thing and not always a successful thing. Fox
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s R to listen live. James Jones joins us. James,
you beer guy. I'm not a big beer guy. I
can't say I'm a big beer guy. Um, I know,
but we're all quarantine. I didn't know if that changed
during quarantine. Uh, I'm more. I'm more of a wine guy.
I'm more wine. Listen you in music and talk red wine,
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white wine. I'm a rare winer. Uh. If you're gonna
like generally you don't have to give me the making
the model, but like Merlow cab, Like, what do we drama?
I'm a I'm a cab guy. How did you get
into wine? You know? Man? It's crazy one. I was
in green Bally obviously. You know, Charles Woodson was coming
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from the Raiders, big wine guy, so you know wherever
whenever we used to go out, he always said he's
bottles of wine and all that type stuff. And he
started pouring meat glasses and I'm like, oh, so, man,
I don't even know beers are no hard liquor around
her mouth and to sip on this wine, man, And
I just I've just been on wine man, ever since
my rookie year in Green Bay. Man. So shout out
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to Charles. All right, he's also got you in the wallet,
because red wine, a good red wine, is not exactly
Chief James Jones joined us on on the Doug Gotlip Show.
How is your quarantine treating you? Like you at the
home front? Where where are you doing this thing? Man?
I'm at home, Man, I'm in Arizona right now. Man,
I'm at home. I'm just chilling, man like everybody else. Man.
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I try to go outside in the backyard and all
that with the kids and all that and run them around.
Man burns some energy. Man. I think that's the hardest
thing through this whole thing. Man. Kids can't sit still.
Kids is all over the place. So I was trying
to find something for them to do occupy their time.
So we've been, uh, we've been making it. Man. Hopefully
everybody else is out there making the man staying safe. Man.
But I've just been trying to stay moving, man, but
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you know, try to try to keep it in the house.
How how different and how difficult do you think this
this NFL draft is going to be, uh, the the
NFL Draft is gonna be. Oh. Man, I think it's
gonna be very difficult, man, because you better believe it's
gonna be some people who didn't get their picks in
and you know, the technology goes down and Internet goes
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down and things like that, so it's gonna be different
for everybody. Man. Um. Hopefully each person has one of
their scouts and one of their you know, best friends
right next to Roger Dedale, so if anything goes down,
they could call him and let let him know. Um,
this is the guy we're taking. But man, this is
just a difficult time. Man. I was talking to some
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of my friends about this the other day. Man. It
just sucks for a lot of the young guys that
you know are not the Joe Burrows and are not
the tools. Man. That you know, they depend on their
pro days. They depend on on that stuff to show
theirselves and get drafted, man, and they haven't been able
to work out for teams or do anything like that.
And now the draft is is going this way. Man.
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So I just I just feel for those guys man,
that you know, haven't been really able to show themselves.
All Right, I want to get some MENIPHL draft stuff
in a second, but first I want to ask you
the the All Decade team came out yesterday. Yeah. Pro
Football of Fame voters voted on it. The quarterbacks, I
think a lot of people have perked up their ears.
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Aaron Rodgers. Of course you played with and Tom Brady. Uh,
they did choose two, they didn't choose one. Do you
agree with that that over the last decade, Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady the two best quarterbacks in the NFL, hands down.
And to me, it's not even close. Man. When you
talk about how dominant those two beIN man over this span, Man,
it's been unmatched. I mean, and you can you can,
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you can put up other people's stats and it might
be closed. But when you talk about guys and what
they mean to their team and how dominant they were. Man.
To me, it's not even close. Man. You're talking about
guys that want multiple m vps in this in this decade. Man,
they were dominant at their position. Well deserved there there
are Rogers. Is gonna be interesting how he goes down
historically if they don't get to another super Bowl. Like
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you and I are in agreement, and obviously you play
with them, you know the sport, having played it and
analyzed it as well, I'm wondering the next generation if
he doesn't get to another stuper Bowl, does he become
maybe Marino esque, you know, and like Drew has been
to two, Peyton one to you know, went to three obviously, Uh,
Brady has been the nine. You know, even Eli and
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Ben have have have one too. How important do you
think for his legacy another super Bowl will be? Uh?
To be honest with you, I really don't think it
will mean anything. I mean, it'll mean something to him
because he wants to win a super Bowl Bowl. When
you talk about the things that he's done in this
league this far and all the things he's accomplished. I mean,
he's the first ballot Hall of Famer, you know, And
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I think it's crazy when people talk about Aaron Rodgers
because they've seen how special he is and they've seen
the things that he has done, and he's great a
different you know what I mean. Because there's a lot
of guys that got one Super Bowl that were easily
hands down first ballot Hall of Famers, you know what
I mean. But since it's Aaron Rodgers and we've seen
him be so special on the football field, you know,
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he's kind of great at a little different which is
you know, which is unfair. But he understands that this
is supposed that he put himself in, you know, because
the way he's played on the football field. But I
don't think he has to do anything else. Man. To
be honest with you, man, what I've seen from Aaron Rodgers,
and it should be for everybody what we've seen him
do on that football field. We all know that he's
the first brout of all the fame period. Um tom
(38:07):
Brady's in Tampa. Tom Brady's got great weaponry around him,
but it's not the usual weaponry like right Trey Brown, Ratchete, Halwell,
uh Uh, Julian Edelman, West Welker. He always has one
of those underneath guys in the slot option routes third
down or running back out of the backfield that can
(38:28):
catch it. How tough do you think it's gonna be
for him to assimilate to even if they have better talent,
it's not the Maybe the fit isn't as as as
good or normal for him. How difficult to transition do
you think that'll be? You know, this this is all
to be interested in to wash toom this year because
a lot of people don't understand how big of an
arm you have to have in Bruce arians offense. Bruce
(38:50):
Arians don't really have a lot of fire. Are routes
in his offense. These are yard routing down the field.
I mean, you've seen Jamie's play, You seen Carson Palmer
playing his office. These are big time routes down the field.
So I'm wondering if Tom still has the arm strength
to get this done on a consistent basis. You know,
he's so used to working Julian Edelman and working you know,
(39:14):
West Walker in the slots, you know and things like that. Yeah,
when he had Randy, he took shots down the field
because that was kind of a younger Tom. It's gonna
be interesting to see if his arm is gonna hold
up to be able to make these dick time throws
in his office that goes down that field, you know,
twenty thirty yards, you know, on a consistent basis, So
it'll be interesting. Man. But yes, you spoke on the weapons.
I mean you got God, when you got Evans, I
(39:36):
mean you got Howard. You know, you have a bunch
of guys out there that can make clays, you know
for Tom Brady, so you know, the star power is
not the problem. But Kenny, is he gonna be able
to make new strolls consistently? Can you explain the DeAndre
Hopkins straight to me? You know what, man, everybody's been
has been calling me crazy because I said, I love it.
(39:58):
I'm a big I'm a big hot fan, and I
feel like DeAndre Hopkins is one of the best in
the business right now, as we all think he is.
But I feel like DJ Man, David Johnson, you whin,
He's healthy playing at a high level. Is one of
the best dual threat backs we got in this game too,
running in and catching it. So I don't know why,
but something that's telling me that him and Deshaun Watson
(40:18):
are gonna be dominant if he could stay healthy, you know,
with DJ coming out the backfield, and then on the
other side, you get Colin Murray, another star power, to
go with Larry fish Jail, to go with Kristen Kirk,
to go with t Sean Johnson, you know, to go
with my man in the backfield, um coming out the backfield.
So you know, it's it's it's a win win for
(40:40):
both teams. In my humble opinion, I know people may
look like, oh, David Jonhonasan wash has been hurt and
you know Hopkins been following. But if you get a
healthy DJ man this this this trade could look a
lot better than a lot of people think. I agree
with you, Like people forget three years ago, he was
a dynamic, dominant threat and and when he got hurt
two years ago, it was the hand. It wasn't like
it was a knee or a back right, wasn't something
(41:01):
that that's the debility And he just didn't fit necessarily
with what what Arizona was doing with their with their
new offense. But he does make a lot of money
and they didn't get a first round pick. And I think,
you know, people agree with you on DeAndre Hopkins on
on just how good he can be. Uh. Will Stefon
Diggs be happier with Josh Allen who he'll be the guy?
But Josh Allen wildly inaccurate in comparison to Kirk Cousins.
(41:24):
Oh man, it's oh, that's that's that's good question. You
know this one, We're gonna have to wait and see,
man for me to play out. But what I do
think is he'll get a lot more opportunities because I
definitely know that Josh Allen will take a lot more
chances down the field than Kirk Cousins. Wheel And I
think that's all Stefon Diggs is acting for it. Just
give me the opportunity to make plays. You know, I
(41:46):
always gotta be wide open. It's okay, but the as
a guy right there, give me an opportunity to be special.
And Josh Allen will give him all the opportunity, especially
shot to down the field. He has a huge are
so he'll have them opportunities to make them make plays,
to be able to show the world what he can do.
James Jones joining us here on The Doug Gotlip Show
(42:07):
on Fox Sports Radio. Uh, there is a ton of talent,
ton of talent. Uh in this draft for from the
wide receiver position. You know you're only third rounder obviously
and had an unbelievable career. If you were going to
tell one of these wide receivers like, look, I get
it your draft, your first round pick. But here's how,
here's how you make it and stick and have a
(42:30):
tenure career in the league. What's the secret throughout running?
Rout running? I tell all the young fellas all the time. Man,
when you get in the National Football League, everybody fast,
everybody's smart, everybody tough. You know, everybody's super athletic. You know,
so your speed is only gonna last year for so long.
You have to be able to run these routes and
(42:52):
to be able to be a crafty route runner if
you want to stay in the league for a long time.
You watch Larry Fitzgerald. He's not blowing to is off
of anybody. Very crafty, very route runner. So it doesn't
matter if you come out there and you're Patrick Peterson
and he's round four at three. I'm a crafty route runner.
I know how to get open. You watch Jason Witten,
He's not out running nobody. He come off the TV
(43:13):
and he knows how to run routes, create separation. That's
topping a lot. It's route running in the National Football
League if you want to play for a long time,
So young fellas, perfect your craft route running if you
want to last in the league for a long time
and make a lot of money. Eighty nine Jones n
T a F. That's James Jones, super Bowl champion, NFL
network analysts and currently a kid wrangler in his backyard
(43:37):
in the Phoenix area. That will, That will get you
in better shape than anything else. James, so happy that
you're healthy and having a good time with your family.
Appreciates you. Join us on Fox Sports Radio. Not a problem,
Thanks for having him. Roun
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