Tom Brady shares the truth about leaving New England!

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Brady's two hour plus interview with Howard Stern Boom, What

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Up America Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Tom Brady
has spoken, we are going to try and figure out
exactly what he means. The Dug got Leave Show is
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Sharin Oaks, California. Hope you're well, I really do Uh,
congratulation to Howard Stern. He got the interview that everybody wanted.
And I do think this there's a couple of different
levels to it. Let me start with Howard Stern, who,
in many ways I do and should revere. I do.

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I revere Howard Stern in terms of, uh, what I
do for a living. He is on anybody's route Mount
Mount Rushmore. He's yes, he's challenged authority. No, he doesn't
work as much as he used to. Yes, he makes
gobs and gobs and gobs of money. But um, he

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has a brand and it has worked four years. I'm
a fan. I'm a fan now. Uh this is this
is a bit of an aside, but they were part
of the interview in which Tom Brady cursed several times,
and I almost felt like, like, look, that's Howard's deal,

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Howard stick and there there, I guess, is more reality
to it, or being more real that way. On the
other hand, one of the things I used to love
about Stern when he was on terrestrial radio, which we
are we're now on two and twenty affiliates nationwide. Welcome
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Dug Golder Show. So um of the things I used

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to love about Howard Shernon was though he pushed the
envelope of what was and was what was not acceptable
in terms of what's legal to be said and cursing
on air like he have cursed, but there was enough
innuendo that you knew what he was saying without saying it.

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You take that away, You take the FCC away when
it's on satellite and I don't know, I don't want
to say you dumb it down. Look what I do
a podcast. We'll curse on a podcast. But for whatever reason,
sometimes sometimes it feels like it was better when they

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couldn't curse. Is that you know what I mean? You
can get across what you mean without saying exactly what
you mean. There was an art to it, and he
was an artist regardless of which, uh what Howard has become.
What he has been able to do is have these

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long form interviews, which is kind of all you ever wanted.
I have a new long form interview out with bow Ryan.
It's called All Ball and you can download it and
we talk about a ton of different things. It's great.
So he gets Tom Brady on and yeah there's talk
about male Janitalia, which is like classic Stern. I don't know,

(04:24):
does anybody really care about twenty years in the locker
room and looking at some dudes junk? We want to
know why he's leaving. When he decided? What was it
about Belichick? Does he want credit? What are his expectations?
How does he want to be remembered? What does he

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think about the legacy he lives? How has he been
able to do this longer and more successfully than anybody
in the history of the sport. We did get that,
and you only get that when you have trust because
of the name or relationship put the interviewer, or you
have trust trust because of the amount of time with interview,

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Like when you do a live interview and you've got
eight minutes, Manu, it's hard to pull some stuff out
of guys, and this unlike like Derek Jeter, unless Jeter
does stir. And even if Jeter discerned, he's never let
his guard down. Pretty doesn't really let his down either.
He's not Aaron Rodgers. He doesn't usually say what he thinks.
You have to kind of judge him based upon how

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you think he means what he's saying. Here's Tom Brady
on when he knew he wanted to leave. I don't
think there was a final, final decision, you know, until
it happened. But I would say I probably knew before
the start of last season that it was my last year.
I knew that, you know, it was just our time

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was you know, our time was was coming to an end.
This is on why he wanted hit hit free agency.
I wanted to make a decision that I thought where
I could really excel as a player, you know, That's
what it came down to. Where could I where could
I really excel and achieve and bring my best out?
You know, which environment would be best for me to
really excel in. You know, I chose this one, and

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time will tell you know what kind of decision that's made.
And all I know is what I can put into it.
And that's that's the process that it is. There's a lot.
There was stuff about Giselle which let us in, which
I've been saying for a long time. There was some
things about Bill Belichick, but not a lot. Not a lot.
The focus was mostly on him, his feelings, his reasoning,

(06:37):
his logic, and I guess we all should have known,
right there was a reason that clause was put into
the contract where he couldn't be franchise tagged. There was
a reason he spoke the way he spoke at press conferences, um.
And I would also say that even though he did

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point out later that there was a lack of trust
with the wide receivers, many of them were new, some
of them were unproven or just not good enough, some
of that trust could have been built had he been
at O T as he explained why he wasn't going
and oh yeah, by the way, had he been more
emotionally invested in the future of the team, maybe there

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would have been a greater bonds of trust built. Does
that make sense? I think Tom Brady ends up winning
out of this part, the fact that he'd go on Stern,
who though he doesn't always ask the right follow up questions,
he did ask a lot of hard questions, and Brady
was willing to give him some. Did he say a

(07:45):
ton No, but he said enough to where you knew
what his meant, where his mental approach was. And the
one thing about guys that are that strong willed like
you don't compete as well as hard. You don't. You
don't focus on your diet, focus on a regime, on

(08:05):
a on a regiment, excuse me, not regime regiment as
intently as he has. And then all of a sudden
change when it comes to where you're gonna work. Here's
what I mean. You can't say, hey, I gotta eat this,
I gotta eat that. This is how I gotta train,
so I gotta work with. This is my focus. This
want to do football, This is when I do life.
You can't do all these things. And then in your

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mind you have what you intend to do the next season,
which was leave and that and and expect that to change.
Guys like that get it in their mind what they're
gonna do, and damn it, they're gonna do it right.
Tom Brady had in his mind he's gonna play until
he's forty five, and damnit, he's gonna do it. He

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had in his mind he was gonna leave the Patriots,
and damnit, he was gonna do it. He had in
his mind his wide receivers weren't good enough, and that's
the way it was. I don't even I don't believe
that is. I don't believe that's being pigheaded or uh
uh or or not flexible enough. I just think there's

(09:11):
a way in which you commit your mind to doing
things that normally it believes it cannot do. And that
is a skill that the best of the best of
the best have. They set in their mind, they set
their intentions, and then they go bart doing it, and

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then when they do do it, it becomes confirmation biased
and it feeds on everything else. Right, So when when
he says, I think I went into the last year
thinking it might be it was probably my last year.
It was his last year. He was done, and that's
why he didn't. There was not really a discussion about

(09:52):
the finality of it. Yeah, that he said. He cried
when he told Bob Kraftlan, he told Bill Belichick. He
also and you guys, tell me if I'm wrong. When
I listened to what's ahead for in Tampa, he understands
the possibility of failure. Hey, we'll see if this was
the right decision. He didn't say this was absolutely positively

(10:14):
the right decision. Like I thought. He came across as
really thoughtful, very interesting, A guy who has to learn,
had to learn about being a better husband. I'm I
have no doubt Giselle did not want him to continue
playing football. He basically made it seem as such. He
didn't make it out like this is anti Patriots, anti Belichick.

(10:35):
He e didn't, you know, burn everything down to the
ground like Sherman on his march through Georgia. No. Tom
Brady is a fascinating American sports figure, American sports hero.
He is not perfect. His answers weren't perfect. They also
weren't completely and totally honest. But he gave us enough

(10:58):
sense for Hey, this is happening. He knew what was
gonna happen, and he made it happen. That's what he's done.
That's how he's played this long. That's how he's been successful,
and that's why he's moving out of New England. All right,
we got more. Well, here's what I want to do, guys, buyer,
I appreciate your opinion. Music Ramos European eight seven, seven,

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nine nine on Fox Cam. Jordan's gonna join us upcoming
in about twenty minutes when I ask him about his
star quarterback, what he thinks of what Brady said. But
something I've been saying for a long time is Giselle
played a huge role in this. I'll explain and I'll

(11:39):
let Tom Brady explain. Next. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three
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Sports Radio. Whoa have you guys seen the Carolina Panthers
uh Twitter page? Oh, they went all in on on

(12:05):
the Atlanta Falcons new uniforms. By the way, we'll bring
in our special Atlanta a uniform specialist, Dan Buyer, who
grades every uniform one to ten A to z by
or what do you think about the the Falcons uniforms?
I saw the Panthers thing, as you said, amazingly done,
and you think it's like a fam thing or like
a Falcons fan, and then you realize that you will

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There's a blue check mark and it says Carolina Panthers.
So they actually did it. I don't want to, you know,
ruin it and it doesn't it doesn't matter. Here's basically
what happens. It's a it's an opened up laptop, opened
up laptop of the Falcons unveiling their new uniforms. And
then it's like ramps up and speeds up and opens
the door and it's Bobby Boucher. No excuse me, it's

(12:49):
um uh, what's what's the mean? Machine? Uniforms from from
the Adam Adam Sandler's version of the Longest Yard? Yeah,
what do you think of the uns? You know, again
a missed opportunity. I don't think that the uniforms are
are that bad. But man, everybody loves whether it be
the Red Falcons or the Dion Sanders Black Falcons uniforms, Like,

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everybody loves those. And why these teams just like the Rams,
So many people love the classic Rams. But they're not
going back. These teams just wanting to you know, at
least they give the Buccaneers credit for listening, and well,
we may want the creamsicles. There are a bunch of
fans that love the Pewter, so they're listening there. But
these teams trying to form their new identity. I just

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I think it falls flat. I mean, I really do.
They They have the gradient one where it's red and
it turns into black, like as as an alternate, kind
of like the old San Diego State football eaments. Not
a huge fan. I just think they missed the mark. Alright,
we'll get into that one with with game time. I'm
sure Cam Jordan's gonna join us. Tom Current's gonna join us.
Patriots insider Um. Look, when when you let people in

(13:57):
on your personal life and you're a superstar, are you win?
When you let people in on your personal life and
your own missteps in your marriage, There's there's no way
it's anything but a win. But to me, there's a
there's another level to this. Tom Brady said this about Giselle.

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She didn't feel like I was doing my part for
the family, you know, and she felt like I would
play football off all season and she would take care
of the house, and then all of a sudden, when
the season would end, it I'd be like, great, let
me get into all my other business activities. I had
to like check myself because she's like, I have goals
and dreams too. It's just not just you know, do

(14:45):
these things either, so you you better start, you know,
taking care of things at the house. She actually wrote
me a letter and it was a very taught out
letter that you know, she wrote it to me, and
I still have it and you know, I keep it
in a drawer and I read it, you know, and
it's a very heartfelt letter for her to say, this
is where I'm at in our marriage. Wow. Right, Like

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we're all as sports fans, gonna get caught up another stuff.
But but that's a wow. Marriage is not easy. There
are parts of it which you you know, you cannot
possibly comprehend how great they are. There are parts of
it which are really really hard. And Brady who had

(15:31):
a long relationship with Bridget moynihan right and has a
child with Bridget before Giselle and now has been married
to Giselle, has kid with Giselle. I mean, like him
letting us in on. She wrote him a letter like
this ain't working, bro, and now he had to to
his own words check himself. That's so wow. But it

(15:52):
also tells you what I've been saying for a couple
of years, which is, dude, there's a reason he's not
going to o t as and she keeps you know,
she volunteered that he had concussions. She don't want to
play football. She plays a bigger role in this any
guy who's ever been married, Like I don't know anybody
who plays who has a marriage that that they may

(16:14):
they will may never say it, but that shapes who
you are and your decisions. You know, you have kids,
it's gonna change your motivation. Obviously, everybody wants to play
in front of their kids and be revered by their children.
I mean, who who doesn't you know, Like, look Lebron

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with kids. He one reason he wants to keep playing
is he wants to play with LEBRONI it's a dangerous game.
She also is a super successful likely a top A
type A. I don't know her, and I'm sure she's
very different than how she's perceived. But you can't be
that successful businesswoman and not be super hyper focused when

(16:58):
it's time to lock in on work. Doesn't mean she
doesn't like being a mother. It just means that she's
got her own thing. And I do wonder if her
pushing for more time and more investment by him in
the family isn't also something that led him to Tampa,
not just in terms of location, as he wants to

(17:21):
get to New York where they're gonna kinda be headquartered
in and she supposedly wanted to live in Miami. Um.
But also, like Bruce, arians is not a super grinder.
He's a drinks at five kind of guy. Well, I
you're gonna have people who didn't get to interview Tom
Brady and definitely didn't get him for her over an

(17:42):
hour straight, are gonna say didn't say anything. I said
a lot. He told us he was kind of done
before the season started. He told us he didn't really
trust his wide receivers. He told us that you can't
have that he did. It was a really respectful way
of saying that Belichick wouldn't be Belichick without him, but

(18:06):
he wouldn't be there's He had even said, I wouldn't
have achieved what I achieved if I It wasn't for
being with Bill Belichick. It was we'll get to that later,
but it was mutual respect. But letting us in on
his relationship and his wife writing him a letter saying
this ain't good enough. I need more, and Tom Brady

(18:29):
evolving into what he feels like is in fact more
was the type of stuff we never have you ever
heard that from a from a superstar athlete. I can't
think of it. It is a lesson though music for you.
When you get married, when you stop communicating, the relationship stops,

(18:51):
whether it's a letter or a conversation. I don't let
it faster. Don't be our parents who go off like
just keep things to themselves, grumble or you Sometimes you
gotta get things off your chest before you hit the
breaking point of having to go your separate ways. Be
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb

(19:14):
Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Doug
Otlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio Cam Jordan joins US SAT
Superstar Defensive End. Did you have you? Did you listen
to the Brady interview? Have you heard clips? Have what?
What do you know about Tom Brady's interview with Howard Stern?
I have not, I have not. I'm I'm I would

(19:37):
saying much content has been on and as much as
were at the house, listen to everything that even related.
That's the first time I'm hearing about it. Okay, here's here,
Here's what I want to do. Our connection is pretty good.
I'm gonna play for you a couple of cuts. You
tell me what you think fair enough? All right? By
the way, Cam Jordan, who at some points gonna take
either my job or Colin's job whatever. You ever heard him,

(19:57):
He's brilliant on TV and on radio. He joined us
on The Doug Gotlip Show on on Fox Sports Radio.
Here's Tom Brady when he was asked by Howard Stern
when he made it up in his mind that he
was going to leave. I don't think there was a final,
final decision, you know, until it happened. But I would
say I probably knew before the start of last season

(20:20):
that it was my last year. I knew that, you know,
it was just our time was you know, our time
was was coming to an end. What's your reaction to
that You said that he knew before a season? Um,
I mean this is the Patriots were talking about this,
Tom Brady and Bill Belichick at his finest. You know,

(20:41):
somebody who you know is gonna win there their a
FC what North Division? You know, if somebody who's gonna
go to the playoffs knowing that they're a championship caliber
type of team. Um, to say you knew before season.
That's that's pure deterioration of relationship between the coach and
player at that point. Well, he said this about take
it this, This is why he wanted to be a

(21:01):
free agent. I wanted to make a decision that I
thought where I could really excel as a player. You know,
That's what it came down to. Where could I where
could I really excel and achieve and bring my best out?
You know, which environment would be best for me to
really excel in. You know, I chose this one, and
time will tell you know what kind of decision that's made.

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And allso I know is what I can put into it.
And that's that's the process that it is. You've obviously
never been free agent, only been a saint. What are
your thoughts on on that portion of his process and
why he chose Tampa. Uh? I mean when growth, when
your growth diminishes, I guess that's that's something that you
have to worry about. He figured he put twenty years

(21:42):
in with the Patriots to say that, you know, he
wants to be in the best position for growth purposes. Um,
that's that's on him, you know. On in my mind,
I'm just like, why did you have to come to Tampa.
Couldn't you just stay There's plenty a SC teams. He
could have gone to Miami. No, I don't know. Um,
you had to come to NFC South. You have to
make my division that much more difficult. I mean, whatever, Okay,

(22:06):
here here's the one. Here's the one. I think. Uh,
this is a you asked him, you said something about Belichick.
This was interesting. He was asked about getting credit for
the championships. Take a listen. To have him allowed me
to be the best I could be. So I'm grateful
for that, and I very much believe that he feels
the same about me, because we've expressed that to each other.

(22:28):
There there is this sense, I think from those of
us who don't know that this is about credit. He
seemed to credit both sides. Do you believe it's about credit? Uh? No,
I don't know. I don't know their entire dynamics. I mean,
I know Tom Brady as a player for the Patriots.
I know Bill Belsick as the head coach of the Patriots.

(22:50):
I know that they won six championships together. When you
have a winning formula and you know quarterback decides to
leave the friend the face of the franchise, of face
of franchise of two decades, spanning two decades plus three decades.
I mean, when you talk about somebody who who has
that magnitude on the organization going to another team, it's

(23:13):
it's odd and for that to happen, I'm just gonna
have to leave theirs to their Listip that's uh, that's
the top that's the top tier quarterback that clearly I
may not be in the same tax bracket as Yeah.
Now yet next deal, next deal, you you may be
he's actually not making as as much as as a
guy of his stature may deserve. Cam Jordan's our guest
superstar defensive end New Orleans Saints. He did say this

(23:36):
about Bill Belichick and loyalty. I think he has a
lot of loyalty, and I think he and I have
had a lot of conversations that nobody has ever been
privy to and nor should they be that so many
wrong assumptions were made about our relationships or about how
he felt about me. I know genuinely how he feels

(23:57):
about Yeah. Maybe this was maybe this was the most
telling one Cam um he was he was asked about
not attending O T a s and not being you know,
not doing as much in the offseason as he had
previously done. Take a listen to what he said about
his relationship with Gazelle. She didn't feel like I was

(24:19):
doing my part for the family, you know, And she
felt like I would play football all season and she
would take care of the house, and then all of
a sudden, when the season would end, it I'd be like, great,
let me get into all my other business activities. I
had to like check myself because she's like, I have
goals and dreams too. It's just not just you know,
do these things either, So you you better start, you know,

(24:42):
I still have it, and you know, I keep it
is where I'm at in our marriage. I mean, I
don't know how you feel about it. I mean, dude,

(25:03):
I've never heard a superstar go on any radio show
or any TV show and talk that openly about their
marriage about you know, a letter about having to check
themselves and adjust to what they were doing. Have you
ever heard that before? Uh? You know, beyond that, I'd
i'd like to say being you know, married as well.

(25:24):
You just here if if home ain't happy, you ain't
gonna be happy for too much longer. You know, Uh
growing upen in a strong household or post played football
for thirteen years. If mom ain't happy, just know there
will be hell to pay. So you might as well
make sure your home is always Take Cam Jordan our
guests on The Doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Tradio.

(25:45):
Let's let's let's let's get around to your team, to
your division. We haven't caught up since Drew Brees officially
came back. What was your reaction when when Drew resigned?
Uh self? For sure, I guess uh there is There
was no reaction. It was just the expectation that he
would be back. I have not had to worry about

(26:06):
zougrees and not being on the team my entire career,
so I won't thread about it until it happens. If
he decides to put on a Tampa Bay jersey one day,
I will go after him. Uh, Teddy's gonna put on
a Carolina Panthers Jersey. What's that going to be like
hunting Teddy season? I mean I stacked him before, you know,
when he was learning purple and gold, so I can
do it again with powdered blue and soft gray. The

(26:28):
the division did get did get a little more difficult, Like, look,
Jamis has got a ton of talent, but he was
just as likely to throw it to you as he
was to his own team. How much is the dynamic
of the division change with Tampa getting Tom Brady? Um,
I don't know. You talked about the fierce competitive is
Jameis Winston. I mean with thirty three touchdowns, thirty interceptions,

(26:51):
but two receivers that go over a thousand yards, That's
that's tough year in year out. Um, just to know
that he is a young quarterback with five years of experience.
You talk about you know, if you compare his numbers
too Peyton touchdowns versus interception radio interception ratio his first
couple of years. I heard the comparison that you know,

(27:13):
Peyton had more interceptions in the first five years and
names that. So at this point, I mean, you know,
when Jamis made the statement that you know, if he
eliminates some of his other son of the interceptions, he
could be one of the best that's valid. So you
know whatever team he lands is going to have a
potential to see what his threshold really is. UM. Now
you've got Tom Brady, who's who's been known for the

(27:34):
last twenty years to be one of the greats UM
and you've got two grades in your division and Drew
Brees of course, and and Tom Brady, and makes your
division that much harder when you know what Teddy Bridgewater
can do and he goes over And I wouldn't say
replace Cam Newton because as dynamic as Cam Dowton is,
I don't think there's a quarterback that can do what
a healthy Cam Newton can do. UM. You know, you

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look at Teddy Bridgewater and you know what he brings
to a team on and off the field. That makes
our division a little tougher. UM. And then of course
they go get Robbie Anderson and they never gave Cam
Newton or why receive a rep weapon like Robbie Anderson
or you know, and now you prepaired them with Christian
McCaffrey and things get a little tougher. Our division is
looking stacked already and this is just on paper. We

(28:18):
haven't talked about the Atlanta Falcons. They're big thing is.
But when they did sign Todd Gurley, although he hasn't
clear physical so they're trying to get real running back. Um.
But they have new uniforms. Have you seen them? Yeah?
I saw those. I saw those. They I believe they
got that from the Renal League team the Renal League collapsed.
They just picked up regular jersey's right, they just saw

(28:39):
what was left over. Um. Yeah, I mean for the
for the bold and the brave. I guess can't. Uh,
how are you able? Are you able to train right now?
Like do you have a secret do you have a
gym at the house? Do you have a secret workout
facility where you knocked three times and you go in
the back door like a speakeasy? Um? I mean, you know,

(29:02):
I think with me, I just got you know, I
had a core surgery right after the Super Bowl, so
I'm still finishing rehab. They're luckily for me, I get
like personal one on one attention from the Saints right now.
I feel overly I'd like to say pampered, Like I
have my slotted time I go in. We make sure
that everything, you know, still trending on the upsword of being.

(29:23):
Had you know O t A started, I would probably
be a hunderstood by then, um and the next you
know week and have to I do have figure out
what I'm gonna do once I'm once I'm a dent
healthy though, Yeah, because because because when you for people
don't understand when you rehab you can go one on
one with the trainer and go back into facility. You're
the only guys a lot. What is it like to

(29:43):
go in that facility and there's nobody there. Yeah, it's
a ghost town. It's a ghost building. I mean, uh,
if anything, uh, it lets you focus on what you
need to do. I mean it is it is intense
works here. Um, and you know normally if you have
to rehab, there's it's like you know, it's like a
locker room full of people. It's you know, it's like

(30:04):
you're getting work in, but you're still get to socialize.
No, no no, no, it's it's straight focus. Uh. You do
get to like at least have somebody who's not your
immediate family beside you, which you know you gotta you
gonna at least bounce some current events off of them. Um,
but you go back to the house and it's it's
just us. So it's intense. I mean to know that
I still have access facility. I'm over here trying to

(30:25):
get my home gym together and for you know, whenever
I am a hunchreson healthy so I can continue training
as I've been doug out the show Fox Sports Radio
cam Jordan's So, now are you doing there? You're going
on walks every day. Like, what are you doing when
you're back at the house. Uh, we've got stationary bike,
Who've got jump ropes? Uh if the kids, the kids
get in trouble, we're doing push up and squats. These

(30:47):
might be some of the strongest three and four year
olds out in the game. My son has done no
lesson and like to push up today, And I'm not
at this point. I'm not trying to like, you know,
send him up to his room and no time out,
no no other discipline, straight push ups. And I'm talking
about push ups. If he gets tired with it, will
and is pushups like he's going his traps are gonna

(31:08):
be amazing. But push ups with a three year old,
come on, dude, four year old, my three year old,
My three old daughter is like she for some reason,
I don't know what to jump between three and four.
Four year old he gets it. He loves push up
until he gets tired, and like all of a sudden
he wants to listen once once that twelve push up
comes in. But he's good for ten. I've learned he's

(31:31):
good for ten and we can we can say we
can hold it all right. You don't want to go
down anymore folded. He doesn't know the ISOs, but their ices.
That's amazing. Um, Malcolm Jenkins is coming back. He's been
gone for six years. What's changed in that building in
the six years he's been gone? Man? Uh, that was
the title with I was like year three and it

(31:53):
was like I went from having so much vent leadership
from Malcolm Jenkins, Roman harperd John Velmo, will Smith was alive,
rest in peace, rest in power. Um. We talked about
everything that we had. You know, Cedric ellis Uh, there
were so many veterans on the squad too. When he
left six years ago. I jumped to being like the

(32:14):
forefront of being the oldest guys on the defense, and
then you know I sort of held steady sense. Yeah.
Now now it's now's your locker room, right, I mean like,
now you were the young pup, Now you're the vet.
Now he comes back in. How does the totem pole work?
I mean, it's still still Malcolm Jenkins. I mean he's
still a pro bowler, he's still a All Pro. He's

(32:35):
still a guy who's had some of his best years
over Philly and won a championship. That's a that's a
winning mentality. So I know what he's bringing to the
dB locker room. You know, you lose Von Bell and
you bringing another Buckeye. We just trade Buckeyes at this point,
were just bringing another one. U last last thing, one
thing you've seen on TV movies, show doc, something you'd

(32:58):
recommend that you probably would have watched had you not
been un quarantined. Uh. I mean at this point, I'm like,
I'm like, once basketball went down, I was looking for
some sort of sports something. I started watching the c
d C W TV show with Tay digs in it
um All Americans, and I was like, you know, the
moment I saw the the actual backpeddling, the actual like

(33:21):
breaking on the ball, like this is terrible, I can't
do this, but it's you know this. This background story
of it all is what's kept us in. Wife loves it.
We watch it. I sort of caught up on I'm like,
all right, this is actually like it has decent storylines.
But had it been like basketball season, you know, watched
a little bit of soccer football something, I would be like, No,
I'm not I'm not here for this whatever. This kid

(33:42):
is backpeddling because he's supposed to be. No, I don't
put non fluid movement movement hurts my heart. No, I
gotta dude, it's it's really really hard to replicate what
you guys do for a living. Sports movies are hard
to to to look to look realistic. Cam listen, I'm
so happy your your family is safe and healthy and
look forward to catch you up within your future. Thanks

(34:03):
so much for your analysis on Brady, your thoughts on
your division. I'm sure the Atlanta Falcons will be sending
you Christmas cards because maybe a jersey because you like
their uniform so much. Who uh, I would take a
Julio Jones jersey draft have two thousand eleven um only
because it's Julio Jones. Drafts have two thousand eleven And

(34:23):
maybe you Matt Ryan too, because he's been good to
me over the last nine years. Good stuff. Damn, thanks
so much, no doubt, thanks for having me on pleasures mind.
Marie Cooper very was very close to leaving the Dallas Cowboys.
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did you see Tom Curran's dunk or attempted dunk? I
think it was a couple of days ago. Some good stuff,
some good stuff. Attempted dunk is the keyword, alright, Eric,

(35:28):
keywords alright. Real lows are fake news. The Seahawks remained
the front runner for free agent defensive enda Devi and Clowney. Yeah,
that's what Mike Garrel follow the NFL network, told the
Seattle radio station yesterday that the Seahawks made an offer
to Clowney. He declined it, and at some point the
Seahawks decided that they needed to do other things. So

(35:49):
it looks like the Seahawks are out of the running
for Clowney. Could be down to the Titans and Browns
for the defensive ends services. Wow. Um, he's doing what's
called chasing the market. I'll explain with that is next hour.
But this is uh yeah, I mean, look, Seattle wanted
to get him on a discount rate short term and
give him a chance, you know, give him a chance
to um to you know, like a prove it deal,

(36:12):
and he obviously balked at it. He lowered his price
and they walked. So well, see, you can always circle
back around. There is no lasting final until the inc
is dry. Real nows are fake news. Bengals wide receiver
A J. Green is still rehabbing from an ankle injury
that cost him all of last season for two Bengals
Zack Taylor says that a J. Green is fully healthy

(36:35):
after missing all of last season with that ankle injury.
Of course, the Bengals placed the franchise Tagon Green. He
has yet to sign it. Yeah, I mean end, I'll
work out long term deal and we'll see what happens
with Andy Dalton, which they also said. Zach Taylor said
all options are on the table. So my guess is
that if they can get a somebody offers them something
for Andy Dalton, they'll trade him. Otherwise they'll keep him

(36:56):
as the veteran quarterback until somebody goes down. If you
need a veteran to you know, Andy Dalton solid, it's fine.
Real news are fake news. The Washington Redskins almost signed
a Mari Cooper to a contract this offseason. I'm gonna
go real news and there spectacular. Ron Rivera, the Redskins
hid coach, admitted as much yesterday, saying, quote, to Mario

(37:18):
is someone we chased, and we chased very hard all
the way up to the very end. When he decided
to return to Dallas. He said they were talking about
a substantial amount of money, but in the end, Cooper
signed with the Cowboys five years, hundred million dollars. And
this again is what the new cb A did and
kind of screwing up the Cowboys a little bit, as
well as the lack of order of you know, not
being able to franchise tag him the the new cb

(37:41):
A only there's only one franchise, one tagg e. Otherwise
there could have been an exclusive tag and general franchise
tag and he wouldn't have been able to explore the
open market. Real news are fake news. One of these
safeguards in place for the NFL Draft is having a
conference call with all thirty two teams on it in
case someone's WiFi drops. The Spectacular side dot Com reporting

(38:06):
the league will have all thirty two gms on a
conference call to announce a pick in case of emergency
or thirty two teams the league. If you needed to
make a pick because the WiFi dropped, you just un
mute the call and make the announcement to the other
thirty one squad. I may that makes sense. There's that
they They're really smart about this. There are putting safeguards
in place. Y'all have your cell phone. I'm guessing you

(38:29):
know everyone will have the right number. You can text
in your pick as well and we'll just go. But
the zoom calls like you do get, you will get,
they get lags or whatever. We did. Uh, Happy birthday
to my niece yesterday, Scarlett Riker, Happy birthday, eighteen years old.
And even then there were some lags, and of course

(38:51):
my mom didn't know how to turn the sound for
like the first ten minutes, we're all texting air it's
hilarious anymore. Um, No, we're good, this is game time
on the Duck Gotlip Show music. One thought on on
the Brady interview so far, it was more revealing that

(39:13):
I probably had anticipated, especially regarding actual football stuff. Yeah,
I would I would agree. I would agree. It was
not Derek Jeter. Derek Jeter gives you nothing, but you
can't sit for an hour with Stern, you know, otherwise
you can talk about boobze all time and naked stuff
and whatever it was. It was. It was more revealing.
He let us in a lot more than I thought

(39:34):
he would let us in. You know, he was still
Tom Brady. Speaking of Tom Brady, it's not all about
credit between him and Bill Belichick. He's right, but he's
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thoughts on on the Brady Interview. Same thing with Dana
Jeremiah twenty five minutes away. UM, I do want to

(40:22):
say this. It's all ironic that yesterday And you know,
sometimes when I say it, it doesn't come out of
my mouth the way it works in my my brain.
You guys ever have that like now, I didn't say that,
Like yeah you did. So what I intended to do
yesterday was point out that I do believe while this

(40:44):
is going to be a really hard week, the numbers
this is these next two weeks, numbers are supposed to spike,
and yesterday was a really bad day. And so in
no way, in no way would I want to sound insensitive. Um,
but the numbers tell you that they believe the curve

(41:05):
is flattening, whether or not the curve would have been
as bad as some thought it could be or not.
I don't actually think that matters, um nor is that
part of what I'm saying. The curve does appear to
be flattening. The question becomes when do we get to
the place where it's flatten enough to where life can
get back closer to whatever normal or new normal it's

(41:29):
supposed to be. And I kind of predicted what I
believe will ultimately be the case, which is you'll have
one side saying it wasn't that bad. The other side
made it so it seems even bad, so we all
freaked out, the other side saying, see, you finally listen
to us and it worked, so instead of it just

(41:54):
being a win, instead of it just being a win,
And I hate to be that guy, but like, look,
if it becomes deaths from coronavirus any one of those people,
it's terrible. It's still sad. But in comparison two the
over a million that some some computer programs predicted, it's

(42:21):
an absolute one. Who cares who gets credit? We all win, right?
And I used the Patriots as the analogy. What's amazing
is Tom Brady does an interview with Howard Stern and
he immediately talks about who deserves more credit. I think
it's a argument actually that people would say that, because again,

(42:43):
I can't do his job and he can't do mine.
So the fact that you could say what I'd be
successful without him the same level of success, I don't
believe I would have been. But I feel the same
in in in vice versa as well. To have him
allowed me to be the best I could beat. So
I'm grateful for that, and I very much believe that

(43:04):
he feels the same about me, because we've expressed that
to each other's Do I think that Phil Jackson it
was a great coach. Yes, Michael Jordan's didn't couldn't get
over the couldn't even get to the finals until Phil
Jackson became his head coach. Same thing for Kobe Bryant
and Shaquille O'Neil. They were teammates before Del Harris was

(43:26):
the coach. They were frustrated, and remember Phil retired once
previously and then he came back. Kobe never won a
championship unless Phil Jackson wants his coach. Does that mean
that Phil Jackson deserves more the credit. No, he couldn't
do it without Kobe Bryant, without Shaque O'Neil, without Michael
Jordan's Scottie Pippen. Of course, he couldn't the two go

(43:48):
hand in hand. That's the reality of it. No coach
has ever done it without players, and no players have
ever done it without really good coaching. Brady gets it,
but we in the media don't. This is the stupidest
crap we've been doing because we took it from political news.
Let's make it one side or the other side, and

(44:09):
somebody has to win. Why why can't we all just win?
Why can't we just go a head? The Patriots are awesome.
It's a perfect combination of a quarterback with an indefatigable
work ethic and a coach with the same. Unfortunately, what
makes us sometimes breaks us and Belichick's willingness to move on,

(44:33):
even from his best players that he's ever coached. He
moved on from Randy Moss. You moved on from Richard Seymour.
He's moved on from everybody. Nate Soldier moved on from like,
go look at it. Do that mean he doesn't think
they're great players? But there's a there's a point there,
and Brady has that same mentality. Brady knew them race.

(44:56):
She was over, he was done. He's like, I'm already.
He said on Howard Shern earlier today that he knew
he was gonna leave, probably a year before the year
even started. Right, doesn't mean he prepared any less, doesn't
mean he didn't try harder. Trying hard didn't mean that

(45:16):
he got emotional or or or anything. He knew. Belichick knew.
That's why there wasn't. There wasn't like why didn't the
why didn't the the Patriots makes some last second push
because they knew it was over the guy. They were

(45:37):
wired perfectly perfectly. You have the one quarterback who was
willing to take a little bit less. You have the
one quarterback who's willing to sacrifice his ego. You have
the one quarterback who's willing to take the verbal lashings
and and maybe it comes. It all comes from our upbringing, right,

(46:00):
whether it's his parents. So the guys he worked with
or when he's at Michigan, never forget like he got
pulled from games by uh was Drew um what's the
other quarterback at Michigan? By? What was the other quarterback
at Michigan? Drew Henson senior year Drew Henson. Everybody's he's
going to be the next great one that helped shape you.

(46:25):
He's not this. That's why Cam Newton can't play in
the league right now. Cam Newton couldn't sit behind Tim Tebow.
He couldn't do it. Yes, he had to leave Florida
because of an off the field incident. All right, but
if you if you have ever heard any quote on
Kim Newton or people around Cam Newton, he thought and
he probably was better than Tim Tebow. But Cam Newton

(46:47):
has never been a guy who sat, didn't sit in
high school. He's got the one year in college. Then
he went to Blind and he you know, he played
and set records. Then he goes to Auburn and same thing.
Then he goes to the Panthers and he plays right
away like he's not a guy. He hasn't ever had
to sacrifice, with exception that one year at Florida and
it was a disaster. And if he knows himself, he

(47:08):
can't be that backup. That's not what he's He's never
been wired to be that way. He's never been wired
to be a guy that takes less. Tom Brady was
asked today about his legacy is like, dude, I don't
care about my legacy. If you remember Cam Newton, before
he played a game in the NFL, he said, I
want to be an icon. I want to be bigger

(47:29):
than football. Before you never played a game, and I don't.
I'm not gonna criticize Cam Newton because that was what
he was taught at a young age. That's how he's raised.
He was so much bigger, so much better, so much
stronger and faster that he was able to get away
with saying what he wants, doing when he want and
he always got to start, and he always got to play,
and he always could run around, through over anybody. Brady

(47:54):
admitted today on radio he probably couldn't start in a
high school team at any other position. Now that may
be overstating it, but the idea is like he's but
he said six three, six four, he says pounds. That's
what he's been playing at. He's slow, it's not fast,
not explosive, doesn't lift a lot of weights. It's all

(48:15):
about elasticity. He he's amongst the least athletic quarterback and
the oldest quarterback in the league, but he can still
be crazy effective because he's had to learn how to play,
lacking speed, lacking agility. But we do this. Look, it's

(48:38):
it's brilliant television. It's brilliant one side of an argument,
the other side of an argument. Put him in a
two box and let him have at it. It works
on Fox News, it works on Fox Sports one. Now
it works on all the different networks sometimes though it's
not an either or proposition. Steve Kerr and Steph Curry, well,

(49:04):
you know they Luke Walton coached him a bunch of wins.
And when Steve Kerr didn't have players this year, they
didn't win games. Okay, well, Steph Curry and everyone anything.
Until Steve Kirby came as coach. You got the perfect
coach and the perfect player for that perfect coach. The
same thing. If you don't think that coaching matters, why

(49:29):
the hell do you think the Warriors were the best
third quarter team when they won championships. Third quarters the
adjustment quarter. See what they're doing the first half, you
make adjustments at halftime. They were the best third quarter
team maybe in the history of the NBA. But if
you take away Steph Curry and Clay Thompson, if you play,
Thompson doesn't bail him out. Game six in Oklahoma City,
they lose to an inferior Thunder team. Right. The credit

(49:54):
thing is a media thing, is a fanboy thing. The
real world, the real world of real t work is
no one's ever done it without a coach, No one's
ever done it without a great player. You are who
your best player is. But you also, every team is
is the sports version of who your head coaches. Your

(50:15):
coach is a tough, hard nosed, blue collar guy. Guess
what your team is gonna be like, right, guess they're
gonna be like go and look, pick the team and
pick the coach, and I will point out that's exactly
who they are. I'm reading Gridiron Genius again. It's Michael

(50:36):
Lombardi's book, and it talks about when he was first
with the San Francisco for the Ninetors. He drove around
Bill Walsh. That was his job. He drove Bill Walsh's
Porsche and when driving around and Bill Walsh would constantly doodle,
constantly write down notes. Bill Walsh was meticulous. Every picture
had to be just so, just perfect. He even Bill
Walsh even coached up Eddie de Bartelo on how to

(50:58):
be a proper owner, coached everything, and do you know
what the San Francisco forty Niners were. They were meticulous. Yes,
they ran an offense that was ahead of the rest
of the league. Yes they had Joe Montana, Yes they
had Jerry Rice, they had all these other star players.
This is all accurate. Was it Bill Walsh? He's one

(51:23):
of the greatest coaches in the history of any sport.
Was it Joe Montana, He's one of the greatest quarterbacks
in the history of sports. But the timing of the two,
you got the perfect quarterback who wasn't the first brown pick,
wasn't the first overall pick, didn't have the strongest arm.
But he found the perfect offense, a timing based offense
that needed an athletic quarterback to have precise rhythm, precise accuracy,

(51:48):
with the best wide receiver we've ever seen, who also
was precise with his route running, his conditioning, everything he
did that doesn't need to be it was Bill Belichick
was good. They were great together. Jordan's and Phil Jackson
great together. Bill Walsh and Joe Montana and Jerry Rice

(52:13):
great together. I thought it was a really telling that
such a B S argument was was exactly what Brady
said and exactly how I think most of us in
sports feel. And yet we see it on TV constantly,
hearing on radio, and usually it's from guys that haven't

(52:33):
played anything. Everybody knows you need a coach because and
this is this is like a doctor until you've experienced
a really good one. When you've had a really good one,
a really good mechanic, a really good doctor, really good lawyer,
a really good friend, really good lover. Unless when you've

(52:55):
had somebody's really good, then you're like, man, the other
one one not good at all. And in coaching, I've
played for some really good coaches. My head coach Oakouma
said Eddie Sutton was just named to the Naseman Memorial
Hall of Namorial Hall of Fame. John Mclaw was a
good coach. My dad was a good coach. Andy Brown,
who was my high school coach now the coach a

(53:15):
sattle Back College. Good coach. Tom McCluskey was my coach
my first year in high school. He was an outstanding
coach when a state championship and he's a junior college coach.
But there was a difference between playing Freddie Sutton playing
for those other guys. He's better. That's why he's in
the Hall of Fame. That's who one eight under games.
Would you have one with no players? No? No, they

(53:36):
didn't win the two years before I got there. You
get the right mix and the right players takes off trust.
Every relationship is built on trust. Why it can be
an issue for the Bucks next season, I'll tell you next.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. You know, Uh, trust

(53:59):
is a try. This is the thing that's built over time, right,
Like there's trusting relationships, there's trust in in work relationships
where um, you have to know I don't know. You
have to know what someone else is gonna do when
you use it, when you say something to them, you

(54:21):
gotta know how they're gonna take it. In sports, trust
is huge. You trust people because of your relationship with them,
how much you've worked with them, that's a big one.
How much you've worked with them, and their level of talent. Ah,

(54:41):
I figured out he's him, how talent he is. This
is Tom Brady talking about working with his wide receivers
last year, I would say, you know, I don't. I
don't have any trust that this guy can you help
us win the game. I mean, I can definitely express
my opinion to say, if you put them out there,
I'm not going to throw them the ball. You know,
the whole team is trust in me to do what's

(55:04):
right by the team. So you can't put someone out
there that I don't believe in, because if I don't
believe in them, then it's worthless for the team. And
then I think, fortunately for me, Coach Belichick always saw
it the same way as me, which is why I
think we have such a great connection. Yeah. I mean, look,
he's sitting there and I think he's talking about to
kill Harry. A good portion of his to kill Harry,

(55:25):
who is the rookie didn't play, you know, was on
I our first eight games and then almost never got
the football. He could be talking about his entire wide
receiving corps last year that he did not trust. I
guess here in lies the rub. Does he have more
talent in Tampa as far as wide receivers tight ends

(55:47):
this year than he had last year? The answer is yes, absolutely.
On the other hand, On the other hand, there's more
to trust than just talent. Trust is built over time.
Where are you supposed to be? Where do you want
me to throw it? Can you be at the precise

(56:08):
point where I can throw the football? These guys are
precision guys. They come in with healthy expectations. Your first
year is really, really, really hard, and when you don't
know where someone's gonna be when you give them a
look and they give you a look, and you just

(56:29):
know you only get that through time spent together. So
as much as I think all of us would sit
there and go like, look, he's gonna trust the Tampa
guys more because you know, Godwins just a better player
than he had, you know, O. J. Howard and Cameron
brad and just better players than he had. Mike Evans

(56:50):
just better than anyone he had in New England last
year outside of Edelman. But he doesn't know those guys right,
there might not be O T. A. S. And for
a guy who has always been precision based, and he
even said it's about trust, Imagine if Mike Evans has

(57:12):
a case of the drops the first month of the season.
Imagine if Godwin isn't where he's supposed to be imaginetive
O J. Howard, who has never had the number of
catches right like O. J. Howard. The legend of O. J.
Howard is Alabama would only throw to him in the
college football playoff. Otherwise he'd almost never get the football.
Maybe we'll figure out why you never get the football

(57:34):
because he wasn't in the right place at the right time.
Trust is a trust is a very interesting word. It
does work both ways. And I do think that in football,
in any sport, or in any workplace, time and time
together builds trust. And maybe you have to go through

(57:57):
adversity to understand who you can trust during your most
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on Fox Sports Radio. UM, you are you guys gonna

(58:20):
be up and running for the NFL Draft. Uh, We're
gonna have a broadcast. I don't know exactly how it's
all gonna work. I think all that stuff to being
formulated above my uh pay grade. But um I'm anticipating
I'm gonna be in my home office and in some way,
shape or form, we're gonna be on the air and
and uh and knock this thing out. All right, let
me get to the Brady interview. Have you how much

(58:41):
of it you just heard clips? Have you heard red?
So we were taping Paths to the Draft this morning,
so we can't do it live right now. So we've
been taping that in the morning. So I went straight
from that into a bunch of interviews Doug. So I've
seen the headlines and seen some quotes, but I did
not get a chance to listen to it. Okay, um m,
he's said, I don't need to play it for you.
He said basically, he was no final decision made, but

(59:05):
he thought he was leaving before the season began. That's
not a surprise. I mean, I think he kind of
saw the the writing on the wall of where this
thing was going to end up, and I think, you
know that's what his thought was before the season. If
that didn't if that wasn't the telltale sign, I think
just the frustration you could see on his on his
face and the way everything transpired with the lack of

(59:27):
help around him and the way he played. I think
it was inevitable in hindsight and hindsight looking at it.
He listed he listed his house for sale. I mean
he told us all we like, the contract was up,
he had couldn't be franchise tagged. He didn't go to
O T A s. Although he explained why he didn't
go tots are getting that in a second. Um, you know,

(59:48):
he put his house for sale, and come on, like,
there's enough signs there that we we we kind of
we we kind of knew. I thought the most interesting
part was this part. This was Tom Brady talking about
Giselle and how Giselle made him check himself. A couple
of years ago. She didn't feel like I was doing
my part for the family, you know, and she felt

(01:00:10):
like I would play football all season and she would
take care of the house, and then all of a sudden,
when the season would end, it I'd be like, great,
let me get into all my other business activities. I
had to like check myself because she's like, I have
goals and dreams too. It's just not just you know,
do these things either, So you you better start, you know,

(01:00:31):
I still have it, and you know, I keep it
is where I'm at in our marriage. That that what
are your thoughts about? Yeah, that was a wow. Right, Yeah,

(01:00:53):
that's a wow. That's not something you get out of
a normal interview there, you know, with a football player,
but that was. Look, I think it's very honest, and
I think that is a challenge for some people, you know,
trying to have that balance, especially at that position the
time that's required. Um, and that's why I think you've
seen really it's changed. I would stay dug over the

(01:01:13):
last probably seven eight years, where all these quarterbacks started
training in California in the off season and then they
get their white out to come out there and work
out with them and throw with them out there, so
they're able to kind of have their family time without
going around the facility and still get some work in
with their teammates. I think that, Uh, there's probably a
lot of guys that have dealt with something similar. Yeah,

(01:01:33):
I think that when she mentioned the concussions, I mean, look,
I got the sense that she didn't want to play
football anymore. And this was the this was the meeting
of this, This was the compromise. Right, she wanted to
be in Miami. He's like, yeah, I want to win, Like,
how about Tampa, same state? Compromise? Good? That works that
That seems to be what happened to me. Yeah, I
think that's I think that's reasonable interpretation of how that

(01:01:55):
all came down and how it all worked out here.
But you know, it's just the other snippets that I
saw from this and the different quotes and everything. It's
just I just used the word inevitable, right, It just
felt like, Okay, we should maybe we just should have
all seen it. This was inevitable, and this is gonna
be best for Tom and his family and what he
wants to do going forward. The question I have is
is it going to be what's best for the Patriots

(01:02:17):
the short term? Yeah? Or and what's is it gonna be?
What's is it best for Tom Brady? Honestly like more talent,
But does it fit together? Does it it worked together?
We'll see on paper? Does look really good? But style
wise and and trusting wide receivers. You know, it's one
thing to trust them because they're more talented, but do
you trust where they're gonna be when you expect them

(01:02:39):
to be in a certain place. Yeah, and that's uh,
that was the frustration. I think that the one thing
about that was, you know, trying to break in so
many different receivers and they just had no consistency, no continuity.
Especially when Gronk was gone, he just had one guy
there that he really trusted and that was it. And
so I think even even though he hasn't played with
these guys, I think these guys are such pros and

(01:02:59):
have been doing it for a long time and are
really really consistent good players. Um. I think that will
alleviate some of that frustration. Um okay, let me um,
let me. Let me get to this year's upcoming NFL draft. Uh.
I know you've been talking about the quarterback Borrow goes one? Right, Yes,

(01:03:19):
I'll be shocked if he doesn't go one. Um, you
had justin Herbert going for to a y. Well, look,
I think that's gonna be the decision between the two players.
And just talking to people around the league, Uh, there
seems to be a lot of belief that inside that
organization that there's two different camps. There's the to A

(01:03:41):
camp and then there's the Herbert camp and strong proponents
for each player. I went to the Herbert Pro day,
Miami was well represented there. Um, and then you just
factor in the unknown with Ta and I just you know, okay,
if it's up in the air and there's people a
lobbying for each person, one guy is completely healthy and
the other guy there's a little bit of a concern

(01:04:01):
there with the hips. So um, That's why I would
not surprise me at all if Justin Herbert ended up
being their pick. Okay, so to to the Chargers, But
would the Chargers get cold feet and trade up to
get him? Like did the Chargers value to above Herbert?
I don't know that for certain. I would imagine if
they would. Um, I think, you know, I think when

(01:04:22):
you just look at how they played on the field,
I didn't think it was close. I thought it was
clearly to Hum was a better football player. So that
then it comes down to what your medical is and
where you feel about that. But if you're okay with
the medical and you're the Chargers, I would think it
make a lot of sense to be aggressive to go
get him. Um My, here's my question, Doug, and I've
been really thinking about this one. If you're the Chargers,
you say you think there's a big gap between two

(01:04:45):
and Herbert. You like Herbert, you don't love him, um,
and two is off the board? Are you better served
to take a guy like Isaiah Simmons and then maybe
swing back for another quarterback in the second round or
maybe you wait for another year to get the quarterback? Um,
if you don't love Herbert Man, you put Isaiah Simmons
on that defense with all the guys they already have,
and and run around with Derwin James. Um, you know,

(01:05:07):
is that the better decision? I think that's an interesting debate.
I I do too, especially when you have a quarterback
who's gotten to the playoffs for seven point five million.
You have Easton Stick who may not have the arm,
but you want to see how kind of how it
plays out. I don't. I don't think that's crazy. I
really don't, because, as you've seen, when healthy, if they
can fix that offensive line, which they've begun the process

(01:05:28):
of it with with Bilaga um and and with and
with the trade turner trade. They they've you know, they've
they've taken some major steps there. It's it's not crazy, Okay,
who's the next quarterback off the board? So I think
it's gonna be fascinating to see what happens with Jordan's Love. Um,

(01:05:49):
I know some teams have Jordan's Love, you know, as
the second or third quarterback. I know some teams they're
scared of him and have them clearly as the fourth quarterback.
So that's gonna be fascinating. I think when the most
likely scenario Burrow at one, five, and six, I would
say most likely quarterback, quarterback whoever it is between Herbert
two of those three, then Jordan's Love, where does he go?

(01:06:12):
I mean I could I could start the conversation at
seven with Carolina, even with Teddy Bridgewater. They could afford
to sit him for a while and he could be
there their long term guy. Or you start, you know,
if he gets by the Raiders two picks, you know what,
whatever they think of him, I think there's a chance
he could really slide. And now you start getting into Okay,
the Saints, you trade in front of the Saints if
you're the Packers, Um, to get the guy to eventually

(01:06:34):
take over for Aaron Rodgers. That could be an interesting storyline.
H Danny Jeremiah joining us in the Doug Gottlieb Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. Wide Receivers, Great Wide Receiver Draft,
What are the tears? Yeah, I think there's four guys,
and I've I've said for a long time, I think
there's the three guys at the very top, and I
think that Justin Jefferson to me from l s U

(01:06:55):
is right there with them. So I have four wide
receivers in my top fifty in players, So that to
me is the upper tier, those four guys, and then
after that, I think there's a little bit of a
drop off, and then you start getting to the Brandon
Aiyuk from Arizona State, Tee Higgins from Clemson. Um, you've
got Leaviska Shenault from Colorado. All those guys are very gifted,

(01:07:16):
but there's some question marks with them. I think those
top four they're just rock solid, very few holes in
their game. Uh man. I mean then after that's kind
of second tier, Doug. Then there's just waves of these
guys that just keep comment and common and common. So
there's a bunch of good ones are gonna be their
third fourth round. Willie running back go in the first round.

(01:07:36):
I did not have one of my most recent mock um.
I think that that uh DeAndre Swift is one of
the twenty best players in the draft, and I think
he's worth the first round pick, even with the devaluing
of the position. I think he is. He's that good.
But when I look at the teams that have running
back needs, which there aren't that many, and then you
look at some of the other needs they need to fill,

(01:07:57):
there's just other priorities that you would before running backs,
and then you can you can circle back and get
another back in the middle round. So I think there's
a good chance we don't see one um any thought
that teams are are are kind of understanding they're overreacting
to their initial thoughts that the virtual draft would would
make it really difficult, Like now that they're gonna do

(01:08:19):
a run through, now they've kind of settled into the
home office is thing. Don't get me wrong, it ain't
gonna be perfect. It's not gonna be what they've always
done for thirty years. But is there any sense that
that people are like, you know what we might overreacted.
This isn't the end of the world. Well, I hear
both sides of it from talking to gm s. I
mean you talked to you talked to one and he's
a little bit uh, I would say nervous, But just man,

(01:08:43):
how is this going to go? You know, a little
bit unsettled, I guess would be the right word. And
then I've talked to several others that are like that,
we're gonna be fine, We'll work it out there. You know,
if you skew a little bit younger. Um, they're not
as intimidated by the technology and they think it will
all work out and just be fine. So I think
it is. I think it ends up and find I
think that the do you remember the line uh you

(01:09:03):
have like a grandfather would say something like you need
to measure twice and cut once. This is That's what
this draft is like. If you are picking seven team
and you're the Dallas Cowboys, you don't wait until you're
on the clock to try and orchestrate a trade. I
would call every team that picked ahead of me now
like during this period and say, what would it take

(01:09:25):
if you don't like who's there? When you pick and
we wanted to move up. Let's discuss what what that
compensation would look like. At least get the work started
right now so you're not having to start from scratch
when you're on the clock. Does does what happens with
Cam Newton? I think it's I think it's a post
draft decision. I think he'll sit back, wait and see
who goes where, um and then and then the decision

(01:09:47):
would be made at that point in time. I would imagine,
I mean, see what you think, but to me, the
charters would be his most appealing situation, and I would say,
instead of signing somewhere else, you probably want to wait
this out and see if the Chargers draft a quarterback
or not. I just don't think they have any interest.
I don't. I don't know that they do either. But
I'm saying if I'm looking at it from his perspective,

(01:10:08):
and let's say they've expressed they have no interest in you,
well that he might be thinking, well, does that change
if they don't get a quarterback? I got it, and
then you could maybe maybe you could wait and to
see if somebody goes down or somebody's disappointing into in
camp or whatever. I wouldn't be in a hurry. I mean,
there's nothing going on right now. I feel like you're
gonna you want to get signs so you can get
into O T, A S or something. Uh what about

(01:10:28):
jamis same thing? Yeah, I would say the same thing.
Just kind of waited out and see what happens. I'll
stick by what I said with him, and that if
I would see him, I would Pittsburgh would be I
would just say, I'll just go there on a low
number deal and uh, odds are I'm gonna get a
chance to get on the field and uh and show
what I can do with a good team. Daniel Jeremy
you'll see him on the NFL Network during the NFL Draft. Course.
Here I'm covering Chargers games and you can download the

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scorecard limitations apply this um This was Tom Brady saying
he doesn't care. Tom Brady stay doesn't care about his legacy.
This is callin Cowherd's reaction. We all want to be

(01:11:36):
thought of well, right, but legacy as a as a
broadcaster told me years and years ago, a very famous
broadcaster said, legacy is mostly about ego and vanity. You
care how others think of you, and if you really
are good at your job, you don't worry much about that.
I mean, we're we're all. You know. Nobody likes to
be ripped, right, You don't like to be heard all

(01:11:57):
day people ripping you. But if you're really secure in
who you are, you don't care a lot about legacy.
Tom big family feels loved, Tom loves many, He's loved
by many. He's securing himself. Therefore, legacy doesn't matter. It
doesn't matter. Take the other quarterback in the All Decade team,

(01:12:18):
Aaron Rodgers, who said two days ago. Quote, My thing
is legacy is really important. Aaron Rodgers has a well
documented struggle with his family. Isn't married, doesn't have kids.
Legacy matters. Who's thin skinned Aaron, Who's not Tom? M

(01:12:39):
hmm um. Here's my problem with with Tom Brady telling
us his legacy doesn't matter. He went back to high school.
He said, when I was in high school, do you
think I cared about legacy? Like nobody in high school
cares about their legacy. It's not a high school thing.
It's not a college thing. It's not early in NFL thing.

(01:13:01):
It's that you've been in the league for twenty years
your legacy. And part of the reason that he's different
than Brady is Brady has been in nine Super Bowls.
Aaron Rodger has been a one you're comparing incomparable, not
non comparable. Aaron Rodgers the guy sitting out there going like, look,
I've been I've been good. They're great almost every year

(01:13:21):
I've been in this league, every year i've been healthy.
I just don't get recognized as such because you gotta
win the post season. But winning the postseason oftentimes about
your defense and your coach and a little bit of
luck more so than anything else, right, I mean we
had this like the Seattle thing, like he was playing
with a torn calf muscle. The game plan was severely

(01:13:44):
limited because his coach didn't know if he could run,
if he could move. They still were gonna win the game,
and they lost on some of the most bizarre stuff
ever in Seattle. In Seattle on the road, they dominated
the game. He just played safe, smart, sound football and
they didn't win. And like that's her his legacy, so
that you're you're comparing and comparable even to Colin, like

(01:14:05):
has nothing. He doesn't get along with his family because
of religion. He hasn't been married yet. I don't know
what you know, Like, I mean, we're gonna go through
personal stuff. Like before Brady was with Chell, he had
he had like are we doing that? Do we have
to do the kid out of wetlock thing? Like that
wouldn't be fair, right, So it's not fair to point
out that Aaron Rodgers had been married, is it? Don't

(01:14:29):
tell me that Tom Brady doesn't care about his legacy
when TV twelve is really important to him. I mean,
the whole basis of the TV twelve method is his
legacy as the one quarterback because of this diet and
regiment has been able to play into his forties. It's
a legacy. Might not care about his legacy, but he's

(01:14:51):
sure as hell he clears about his brand. So maybe
we're arguing semantics. But if your brand endures passed your
playing days, that's your legacy. If your brand carries on
all the virtues of how you played, that's your legacy.
So I call bs on The legacies never mattered to me, Okay, Tom, Yeah,

(01:15:20):
I definitely think that that was one of those situations
where Brady felt like he had to give the right answer,
or maybe it's one of those things where in his
head Brady seems to think that he doesn't care about
legacy when he, in all reality, doesn't really fully understand

(01:15:41):
what everyone else's definition of legacy is. And that's sort
of where he's being misled. He sort of sees legacy
as this big topical thing that every time he turns
on the radio and watches on TV, he sees people
always arguing over, well, what does Brady's legacy mean? Or
what is peyton man His legacy mean? When in reality,

(01:16:02):
as you just said, it's like, well, no, just how
do people talk about you, how do people see you?
How do people contextualize and view your career? Everyone has
a legacy, and if you say you don't care about
your legacy, you're actually just not being truthful at that point, right, everybody,
everybody wants to be remembered. You know, you don't want
to be remembered as the guy who screwed it up, right,

(01:16:23):
I mean, like, I'm sure what what Brady's part of
Brady's legacy is going to be at the end of
his career, he chose Tampa Bay because he wanted to
spend more time with his family. His legacy is going
to be he was a family man. That's part of
his legacy. Like, those are good things to be remembered for.
So this idea that I don't care about my legacy, like, well, no,
it's actually just not true. You just want to be

(01:16:46):
remembered in the right way. And for some reason, you're
hung up on what you think this word legacy means completely,
But you're by a do you what do you think
of the legacy talking? Yeah, I mean and and I
may have missed if you said this, but the one
productions is basically his legacy. Yeah, that's what it is.
I was and look at me now, you jerks, you

(01:17:08):
idiots completely And look, this is where I think Stern
is great. This is not. Don't give me the got
leaves taking shots at Stern. Stern's a legend. Got leaves hack, right,
that's what you get from Bubba Booe Foy. No, but
Stern didn't follow up on a couple of a couple

(01:17:29):
of the sports questions, which is fine. He got more
out of him than anyone thought he would have gotten
out of him. He got over an hour with him.
It was like two hours of right, it was crazy,
crazy long. It was good. It was good, I mean
it was it was interesting. I could listen Tom Brady
read the phone book, but he wasn't read the phone book,
but the legacy stuff. Come on, all right? Coming up next?

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(01:18:15):
the second we'll talk about Tom Brady is to our
interview with Howard Stern. Bub bub booi boy our Stern
had to sit down. We all want I'm sure Tom's
got a chance to spend a lot of time with
Thomas Edward Patrick Brady in the past. But I'm wondering
what he thought of Gizell's note. But she said like, hey,

(01:18:38):
but there's ain't working for me. Oh all right, we'll
get to that in a second. I do want to
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(01:19:02):
minutes why in many ways people just fail to get it,
and we're we're doing them. We're moving the goalpost. That's
what we're doing. We're moving the goalposts on everybody. I'll
share that with you up coming. First, let's get to
Tom Curran, who, of course, uh covers the paths for
NBC Sports Boston. Tom, did you listen to the interview

(01:19:25):
in its entirety snippets? How did you? How did you
ingest your top. You're over two hours of Tom Brady
with with Howard Stern, mostly highlights because I had some
ongoing interviews that I was doing up here to Stephen
just Towski a little bit today, still wants to put
professional football. But I had to, Um, I had to

(01:19:48):
take the highlights of it. But I thought it was great.
I thought it was interesting. I thought it was the
right forum for him to let his hair down a
little bit. Um and look, he let his hair down
as much as Tom Brady is willing to let his
hair down, right like, let's not you know, UM, I
thought the l stuff was the most interesting. What was
your most interesting part that you took away to me?

(01:20:10):
That he is absolutely hell bent on stand on the
high road. And I get what you're saying in terms
of letting his hair down, and he's I don't see
him as being a guarded guy at all. I just
see him as being kind of a decent, simple guy
in terms of it. And I say simple and he's
got forty million dollar mansions, simple values. I mean, it's
it's the same stuff. It's be nice to other people,

(01:20:33):
take the high road when you can. There are a
million grievances Doug that he could air right now about
Bill Belichick. It injustices he was served and times that
he felt as if he was poorly treated. But instead
he's taken a big picture of you and saying, look,
why would I focus on those little things that drove
me absolutely backcrap instead of the nine super Bowls and

(01:20:55):
six championships and things I attained because of them. And that,
to me was what came to the fourth So a
long story short, when he just conceded that there were
irreconcilable differences, those being I wanted to keep playing. I'm
too old for him. He needs to get the team better.
I don't hold it against him. That's the essence of

(01:21:18):
why he's a buccaneer. Let's get to what he said
about his relationship with Gisel. You know, he he had
made O T A s for a long time, then
he stopped doing the O T A thing. Here's here's
Tom Brady as to why she didn't feel like I
was doing my part for the family, you know, and
she felt like I would play football all season and
she would take care of the house, and then all

(01:21:40):
of a sudden when the season would end, it I'd
be like, great, let me get into all my other
business activities. I had to like check myself because she's like,
I have goals and dreams too. It's just not just
you know, do these things either, So you you better start,
you know, taking care of things at the house. She
actually wrote me a letter, and it was a ry,
thought out letter that you know, she wrote it to me,

(01:22:03):
and I still have it, and you know, I keep
it in a drawer and I read it, you know,
and it's a very heartfelt letter for her to say,
this is where I'm at in our marriage. What are
your thoughts? He married an international supermodel who was, you know,
kind of up from her bootstraps in that industry and
rose to making a twenty six million dollars a year.

(01:22:25):
To think that she might, you know, be kind of
like the homecoming queen happy to just settle down with
the high school quarterback and raise the kids would have
been unrealistic. So give him credit for stepping up to
the point and sharing parental duties and saying, whether it's
TV twelve or throwing with Julian, we'll go into the
Kentucky Derby. My kids are of a certain age where

(01:22:47):
I gotta cut the crap and give her credit for
saying and honestly, Doc, I don't. I don't know what
your family situation is. I apologize. I have three kids.
They were all born within three years of each other.
You gotta split it. If you're an splitting it, you
are gonna really be a poop's creek when the kids
are fourteen and fifteen and you're looking at each other

(01:23:08):
and saying you were a real think when they were going, yeah,
you know, I think everything is reasonable. I think she
played a bigger role in the in the not feeling
respected enough. I think that's accurate. Okay, I don't. I
don't think she wanted to play football. That's why she
said the concussion thing and he had to downplay it, right.

(01:23:29):
I think she wanted him out of there. She didn't.
She didn't want to play in football, and I think
between her and Alex Guerrero in his ear, that's what
led him to finally go, like, you know, they're right.
All this stuff is in fact enough fair, very very
on the front of not of concussions, but very fair

(01:23:50):
in that the folks around him, whether it was Alex
or Giselle or folks back in San Mateo, Brothers, sisters,
friends who had been around him on the team, Gronk
Amundola all saying, look, man, you're kind of getting hosed here.
They have you on a string, and you are because

(01:24:12):
you were the hundred and nine, because you've had so
much success. You still view yourself as lucky to be here.
I came up hard in my industry in that I
was making thirteen grand when I started, and I didn't
make my age until I was thirty five. I always
feel wary that I could lose my job. Will be

(01:24:33):
back right there at any moment. I'm not drawing a
direct parallel between the two of us, But I don't
know if he ever really understood until people started explaining
to him just what you said, Doug, Hey, you've got
some autonomy here, you have some heft of your own.
Don't let them take advantage of you. Why not in
the concussions? Why do you disagree with the concussions? He
doesn't believe that to be And I think he said

(01:24:57):
this during the interview. Um he believes he can mitigate him.
He believes he can mitigate him by hydration, vitamins. He
believes the brain is a healable organ and I just
don't think that he and his dad does. His dad
and I actually went to be you Um symposium together.

(01:25:21):
He wanted me to go see it. So his dad
is very much against concussions and afraid for him. But
but Tom really believes that he's gonna be fine. Mhm um. Yeah.
I mean there's a little snake of all sales of
the TV twelve thing, right, I mean you can have
you can view it through that prison if you want to. Um,
I think that a lot of people do. I think

(01:25:42):
there's a lot of validity and and and beneficial aspects
to it if you want to. You can focus on
the peripheral things like him saying hydration can help prevent sunburns,
which is an asinine to things to saying in his
book because it gives people an opportunity to miss the
point of the other it. So yeah, I don't disagree
with anyone who would allege that. But overall, yeah, there's

(01:26:05):
a lot of benefit, no no, no, no question, no question.
And and the fact that he's figured out that that diet,
even more than exercise is the is the key to
long term health. That you know that again, positionally he
doesn't have to maintain, he doesn't have to have these
maintain lift lifting strength and speed and whatever. Um. Look,

(01:26:25):
I think there's a lot of genius to it. But
the idea that he can mitigate concussions or sunburns or
whatever is like I remember, like like Edelman did the
whole verse Edelman's first off season and TV twelve he
towards a c O in a non contact deal. It's like,
all right, well, I thought it was all about flexibility
and elasticity, you know, you know, and then he got

(01:26:46):
popped from p e D s and people are like,
all right, m I kind of it's not maybe what
it's perceived to be. Yeah, I mean, and they would
counter that, you know, he would only be able to
run that fast because of the training you've done in
the p D crap happened out in Los Angeles is
not there. But well, I'm getting off tract with you
on this, but it is a fascinating conversation because there

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is a level of discomfort that folks have because it's
almost sometimes gets when he gets going like Tom Cruise
bouncing on a couch with scientology. And it's not that
I think it's more reasonable, but it does make people say,
what are we talking about here? Here's the most interesting
part um and full disclosure, I actually agree with Brady's take,

(01:27:31):
but you tell me if this is authentic. Brady was
asked about getting credit. Who should get credit for their
Super Bowl wins. I think it's a pretty argument actually
that people would say that, because again, I can't do
his job and he can't do mine. So the fact
that you could say, would I'd be successful without him
the same level of success, I don't believe I would

(01:27:53):
have been, but I feel the same in and vice
versa as well. The to have him allowed me to
be the best I could be, So I'm grateful for that,
and I very much believe that he feels the same
about me, because we've expressed that to each other's your thoughts,
I'll buy it, I'll buy it. I think that as

(01:28:13):
a fan or media member, we can absolutely make that argument.
So well, he says, it's to do it has Merritt.
Tom Brady has been Bill Belichick's safety net for the
last decade, and Bill Belichick made Tom Brady for the
first decade. That's it. He gave him the opportunity, He
surrounded him with a you know, we put all the

(01:28:34):
chips in his brain to show him how to play
quarterback the right way. Brady capitalized on that, and then
for the last ten years, I think Brady and Josh
McDaniels have been a safety net for for the Patriots.
We'll find out this year with Brady gone, if they're six,
seven or eight win team, we're still can win double figures.
But I do believe that that's what I was talking
about with the high road that he wants to live

(01:28:56):
on and he doesn't want to get into. You know,
we'd be interesting to see how good they would have
been this year Jimmy Garoppolo was there a quarterback, but
I know the people around him at times feel that way,
and I do too. I think if they had Garoppolo
there this year, it wouldn't be a twelve win team.
But that's my two cents. What would they have been

(01:29:16):
last year? Though? Maybe I mean the year before when
they went to when they won the Super Bowl eight.
Nate and Josh Gordon and Cordaryl Patterson and Chris Hogan
and Philip Doors, senator receivers called Darryl Patterson actually playing
running back, no question, it was amazing what they were.

(01:29:39):
It was a bad offense, was it was? It wasn't
a talented offensive rosser. No, two years of bad offense.
So you feel the same way they might. They could
spide a little bit. Yeah, Tom Current joining us. He
said this about wide receivers. I thought this was probably
his most telling. He didn't go low road, but probably
his most telling. I would say, you know, I don't
I don't have any trust that this guy. Can you

(01:30:01):
help us, you know, win the game. And I can
definitely express my opinion to say, if you put him
out there, I'm not going to throw him the ball.
You know, the whole team is trust in me to
do what's right by the team. So you can't put
someone out there that I don't believe in because if
I don't believe in him, then it's worthless for the team.
And then I think, fortunately for me, Coach Belichick always

(01:30:22):
saw it the same way as me, which is why
I think we have such a great connection. Uh. He's
basically saying like, look, these guys weren't good enough, right,
and he told Bill Belichick they weren't good enough. Yeah,
I love it, I do. And that is the quarterback
that Bill Belichick made you know, what, do you have
felt confident in doing that? Had he grown up in
an offense where a first round pick is the first

(01:30:44):
round pick and you throw to him, whether or not
he knows he's asked from his elbow, probably not. But
Bill Belichick brought him up in a system that says
it's merit. And if Joey Galloway, for instance, runs a
rout at twelve that's supposed to be run at nine,
he's not getting the all. And Brady's gonna yell at
him if he get in two thousand and nine, but
it's not that flipping hard and you can read his lips.

(01:31:07):
Or if Chad Ocho Sinko is Bill Belichick's, you know,
preferred player and they bring him in and he can't
find his ass with both hands, he's not gonna get
the ball. Same thing with Chad Jackson, and maybe the
same thing with you know, Jacobe Myers. And to kill
Harry or Chris Hogan. When Hogan had drops, they just
ended up on his poop list. That was it. Yeah, No,

(01:31:27):
I mean, you know, Chato Sino couldn't figure out where
to line up and it irritated him to know it,
which does make me wonder if Tampa he obviously sees
the obviously sees the talent. They have talent, but are
they guys? Can they get on the same wavelength? No O,
t A s probably a short and different sort of

(01:31:49):
training camp preseason. He doesn't have a coach who's you know.
Bruce arians is a very well respected coach and offensive mind,
but not seen as a grinder. And those guys have
no idea what they're what they're in for. If he
didn't have an Edelman in the slot and a running
back he can throw too, this is a completely different
deal for him. I think we all assume, hey, better

(01:32:10):
players Tom Brady, Mike Givnson, stud. Godwin's a stud. Like.
I'm not saying they can't play, but will it work
with them together? Dog? Did you play point? Okay? To
hear Brady talk about it, Brady is Steve Nash or
John Stockton as you probably wanted to be when you
were coming along in your in your career as a

(01:32:32):
basketball player. He reads everything, and he used to talk
about Cronk. When Gronk would go down the field, he
could tell by Cronk's shoulder movements what he was about
to do whether he was going to go in, I'll
break off or oute whatever he was gonna do, and
they would do that in training camp, him, Moss, and
Gronkowski would go over onto a separate field. Um. Actually

(01:32:53):
Ross and Kronk didn't play together. I just kind of
made that up. Yeah, but with Reeves either way was Gronkowski,
Brady revus Um would be on a field and they
be working together aft during training camp and special sessions
by themselves where they would all look at this stuff.

(01:33:13):
And I remember looking at that and saying, holy craft.
These are legendary players working on their craft. But that's
the only way you get to figure out how a
guy looks when he's about to be open, and how
he gets how he wants to work against leverage, the
same way someone in basketball figures out, Okay, he likes
the ball here when he starts to dip his hand
or whatever, I gotta put it here. And you're right

(01:33:35):
with Godwin, with Evans, O J. Howard, whoever. It takes
weeks and weeks and months to get there. Yeah, it's
gonna be gonna be really really interesting if he has
the time, uh to to get to build that trust.
Tom great stuff man, I hope you're safe and and
and warm in Boston. Appreciate you being our guest on
Fox Sports Radio. Thankually having to be done. Take care.

(01:33:58):
That's Tom Curran who he he kind of went like,
did did he think this was Howard Stern? There was
some ass references in etcetera. That's what I like Tom.
He's fired up, fired, fired up. Hall of Fame analyst
and Hall of Famer and Fox NFL analyst Terry Bradshaw

(01:34:19):
joins the show. UH in five minutes or so, we'll
ask him how hard it will be to assimilate to
a different style of playing quarterback and does he buy
that Tom Brady didn't care about his legacy? Look at that. Next,
be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. So,

(01:34:43):
my gun, he's getting crushed and look he he played
the classic right wing UH playbook with the calling media
the mainstream media. Right, nothing irritates media guys more than
me and called the mainstream media the media is the media. Um.

(01:35:04):
But the the biggest issue I have you haven't heard.
I'm sure you can go online. You can see the
out of context remarks which do stand on their own
and on their own two feet. But it also to
point he was on like an hour call. Either's thirteen
people apparently on the call, and during it, you know,

(01:35:24):
the first twenty minutes, we're all about first responders in
the community come together and people maintaining social distancing, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
He's being made out to be a Neanderthal, a hoaxer.
I guess somebody who is in denial of UH the coronavirus,

(01:35:48):
and I don't believe that to be close to being
the case I've read. I'll tell the pat forty and
who else? Dan woken? You know, how dare my gund
want his unpaid labor force of players to be back
in Stillwater so that he can make and all the
paid labor can make their money. Here here's what he

(01:36:13):
said about getting back to work. I'm thinking in three
or four weeks we can have the test ready available
for people that aren't sick. Based on can we test
the employees, the hundred people that work in our building
and we can swab them and clear him to come
into the building and get back to work. Once we've
done that, I'm looking to start testing the players and
bring them back. He's his process, maybe a little bit

(01:36:36):
faster than the timeline that others have given, but there
is nothing ridiculous about his statements. Zero. At one point
he did say, hey, look they're years old, they're they're healthy.
If they get it, they can fight it off. Like
we we've got we went to this this like this

(01:36:56):
is where I say, we're moving the goalposts. When the
virus was being sold us as a pandemic, the biggest
fear was not just for the elderly over eighty, but
even over sixty, was that there would this thing spreads
so rapidly and so easily that the fear was the

(01:37:20):
fear was hospitals, e rs just overwhelmed, and between the nerve,
the need for ventilators, the need for hospital beds, we
had to find a way to flatten the curve. Right.
It wasn't over the power of the actual virus itself,
even if it is terrible if you get it, if

(01:37:42):
you if you don't, if you get the symptomatic kind.
Now we've gotten to the point where even in three
or four months, if somebody gets it, do we shut
things back down? Like no, that wasn't the problem to
begin with. We have done a great job of change
in our own behavior, not just because we stayed away

(01:38:03):
for the most part, from one another, but staying off
the roads. There's less people in hospitals, and so the
hospitals aren't as overwhelmed as there was fear and the
numbers have subsided. Now, look, this is gonna be a
really bad week or two, but the idea of being
hopeful and looking towards the future of getting back to
work is not a bad thing. And oh yeah, by
the way, he said they'd be tested. Everybody be testing cleared.

(01:38:25):
And here's the big thing. I think he understands. None
of this happens. People are being furloughed, millions of people
losing their job, and the town in which he lives,
the school which he went to and worked for, is
paralyzed until these people can be cleared and come back
to work. And one of the ways you get them

(01:38:47):
back to work is you find a way to get
the students back in as well, or at least the
football players. But we we operate under this premise that
college foot all players are somehow used, abused, unpaid. Dude,
ask any of those guys, we do you prefer to
be on campus and stillwater right now, with training table,
all your workouts, hanging out around your buddies, all, you know,
everything taken care of in a safe environment, or be

(01:39:10):
at home. He didn't say. He didn't say, hey, let's
do the Imperial method. Everybody starts tomorrow. We'll ever gets sick.
It's sick, hurt, immunity, whatever. Like, he didn't say that.
He's like, look, and and he's quoting a news organization
which has not seen as reputable, but whatever. His point
was like, look, let's get this thing as soon as

(01:39:31):
we get to where the curve is officially flattened. Let's
get people back working. Let's test them if they're okay,
let's do the squabs. And we think the testing will
be I'm like, look, they're open up, pop up testing things.
We're not going to get a vaccine in time. It
just doesn't work that quickly. That's not the way it works.
But we'll work towards a vaccine, will work towards treatment,
work towards more ventilators, more hospital bets, which we'll get,

(01:39:54):
which we have and we can get more. And meanwhile,
at some point we're gonna have to get back to work. Optimism,
reasonable optimism, it's not a bad thing. He he has
an accent, he has a mullet. You know. He lives
in Oklahoma, the redd estate in the Union. He makes

(01:40:15):
a lot of money because he's been really successful as
a coach. He says things and sometimes misquotes things and
quotes the wrong thing. Whatever he does. The I'm a man,
I'm forty, even though he's fifty. Now, all right, he's quirky. Whatever,
This is no different honestly, then the president, the president

(01:40:36):
has butchered press conference at the press Scott, he's yesterday
he went after mail in voters. Meanwhile, he's a mail
in voter in Florida. Like, I get it. But when
the President did say, like, hey, that the cure can't
be worse than the cause, right, Like he's right, at
some point we do. Doesn't mean we're not respectful and

(01:40:57):
sensitive to people who are sick and over these new
a couple of weeks it's supposed to peak. But we
also have to have a plan for how we get
back to working and building a better country. Right, Like
kids can't be out of school forever. People can't be
out of work forever. That just doesn't work. Fox Sports
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(01:41:40):
That's tomorrow, April nine. Uh, Terry Bradshaw joins us on
the Doug Gotlip Show. That's that. The So happy Hour
is six o'clock Central Time? Right? Is that? Where Where
are you doing this from? I'm doing it from my
rants in Oklahoma. Happy are around here is every day
with quix o'clock, But tomorrow we were doing it virtually

(01:42:02):
all over the country. So it's gonna be a fun time.
It will it will be a fun time. People are
doing these these these these happy hours. Bourbon straight bourbon?
Is it? Neat? Is it on the rocks? Do you
make something with it? I do all of it? Uh.
If it's late at night and my wife and I
have been traveling and retired and can't sleep, We'll put

(01:42:25):
on a romantic movie and uh them lights. Hopefully it's
cooling up outside to build the fire, and it's straight.
It's neat. Uh. Sometimes you know, I put a Cuba
byce in it says. Sometimes I put I'm drinking everywhey,
I presper it uh a little chilled. But sometimes they don't,

(01:42:48):
you know, But whatever, it's good stuff, man, That's all
I gotta say. Terry Bradshaw joining us here on the
Doug Gallup Show on Fox Sports Radio. You or somebody
you You've made a career out of being able to
laugh at yourself helf the things that people said about you,
and yet you once four Super Bowls and maybe for
the life of your career while you played being underappreciated, right, Um,

(01:43:09):
oh you know I do you said that, But I
would say that is that I think people forget. People
forget the comments that were made about you when you played,
before you went and even when you were winning Super Bowls,
you know, as if as if you're some dumb hick

(01:43:30):
that couldn't didn't didn't know anything except to throw the
ball along the len Swan. And I just don't understand
why they talk like, well, it's not that you. Um,
do you think you know? Brady didn't and he did
an interview today with Howard Stern. He didn't say that
what was what it was about. But do you think
that's what this is about? Absolutely? Um, I absolutely think

(01:43:56):
that's what it's about. Listen, everybody wants to leave the
NFL at your quarterback and Howie and straighthand like to say, hey,
you can't have more than one quarterback in the room,
you know, because of their egos. And I've been around
deep to things that get sacks and I know how
that evil he is. But it's uh, very few people

(01:44:17):
go out like John Elway, whereas the whole you know,
the whole world mourns his departure and the doors and
worships the Brownie wall. Very few go out like Dan
Marino where he he has his retirement party at the
stadium and fifty thousands show up. There are very few,
uh like that, And and that's okay. And so you

(01:44:41):
look at it and you say, wow, everybody wants to
be loved and praised and patted on the back. Gollie
that that truly is our ego. But if you put
it in its proper place, you have to understand that
you that in my case, I was drafted, I did
my job, and I moved on. I didn't want to

(01:45:05):
pat on the back. I didn't need it. Uh. I
knew where my place in quarterback history was. It was
gonna be as time mark stone. And we started seeing
the passing game evolved until so the a f L,
which is what we have now, had little AFL by
the way right now. Um, then you knew that those

(01:45:25):
numbers are out the world. But I never looked at
step so much as I look. Okay, I won four
Super Bowls. I didn't win them, we've won them. I
was a part of that. I was the quarterback that
led the tape to victory. I can walk in any
room anywhere with any quarterback, uh even Brady. I'm not

(01:45:45):
to say I don't feel like I'm don't measure up
to Tom Brady because he won six, he also lost three.
I never lost any. Uh So that's how I would
look at it, and so I'm totally comfortable. I don't
need pray the adulation. I I guess maybe I was
fortunate I got I had to retire, but I don't

(01:46:05):
question that. Tom. It's tired of hearing that, Well, he
wouldn't have want if he didn't have Belichick. You know what,
he wouldn't have with Bello check with one without Brady. No,
he probably he would have. He probably would have uh
that they would have always have been good football teams,
but he needed that quarterback. There is not a head coach,

(01:46:27):
a great heads coach in the NFL, in the history
of this league, with very few exceptions that it's not
tied or joined it the hit by a great quarterback.
So they go ahead, and they go hand in hand.
And it's unfortunate that the relationship that I had with
Chuck it was not cozy. It was just coach quarterback.
And and once I got you, once I got adjusted

(01:46:50):
to you know how he was treating me. I just
what the hell, you know, what are you gonna do?
Just go on, dude, John getting hick out here. I mean,
that's what I Brady Brady evidently evidently wanted wanted to
for for folks to say, and Bella check to say, God,
we're gonna miss him. What an incredible player. He used this,

(01:47:11):
and he was maybe that's what he wanted to hear.
And then he says he's got something to prove what
there's only one thing He's got to prove that he
can win without Belichick. Period. Terry Bradshaw our guest, a
Hall of Famer or the super four time Super Bowl champion,
never lost the Super Bowl, joining us on the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. A reminder Bradshaw Bourbon

(01:47:34):
Happy Hour on Facebook tomorrow at seven seven o'clock, seven
o'clock eastern six clock Central Time, Live from Factorville, Oklahoma.
All right there in the Sooner State. Okay, So how
difficult do you believe? Everyone agrees Bruce Herians knows football,
knows quarterback offensive football, and he's a little bit of

(01:47:56):
a throwback to like when you played, where guys hold
the ball a little bit longer, a little bit deeper.
He has more talent around it, but it's not the
type of talent that Brady had at his peak, with
exception maybe a Randy Moss. Right, it's a lot of
underneath stuff. Does How long how long does it take
for him to assimilate to that personnel in that style? Well,

(01:48:17):
I think for first of all, they'll have to shorten
their passing route. Tree. Tom's not used to holding the
ball in forty three years of age. He's not going
to want to hold hold the ball up to three seconds.
He's not going to do that. Uh. I don't care
how good the past protection is. So that'll have to
shorten their tree up in in in New England. Everything
when Hernandez was alive and the two Gronkowski it was

(01:48:40):
crossing routes, check zone, set down, check zone, man run away,
then up the field and then slip the back down
the scene, you know, but it was boomed out quick
hit eight yard or turned into a fifteen yard hit
a six yarder and that's how they got the ball
out and when he had a running back at the
back in Bob. So he'll I believe Bruce will change

(01:49:02):
the offense for Tom Brady. Not unlike what happened when
Peyton went to Denver and they changed the They took
Peyton's offense to Denver with him, except when he won
the Super Bowl that was a more ball control, running
football team. I think they'll have to. I think they'll
have to do that. I just don't see Tom Brady
being able to sit back there and gun twenty yard

(01:49:23):
post skins and flag routs and take offs and double
you know, uh, double routes, double trees, topping bar I
just don't see that. I may be wrong, but hey,
look this guy is a special talent for sure, and
he was a special talent to go to that special
coach he had and cause of that offensive coordinator, and

(01:49:46):
man he's going to hold It's a whole diffootball game.
Better better team, better talent offensively for sure, a really
good defense, really good defense. So it could all work out.
It could end up like Peyton last year when he
won the A Super Bowl against Carolina. It could be
this is the top of offense they run because if
they get time time, I mean his his delivery is

(01:50:11):
as good as I've ever seen in the league. The
other guy is Jimmy Garoppolo. And I told Jimmy Garoppolo
this to his face when I said, I love your release.
I love the way you hold it, step high elbow
whom showed the throat boom just like Brady. That's a
really cool way to throw the football. Very accurate and
heads always up and always looking downfield, and and and

(01:50:34):
fit on. The footwork has always been placed. And uh,
when your footwork and your arm are all in timing
or the accuracy follows. Has the quarantine changed your off
season at all? I haven't been anywhere, never home. I
never home. I told camp, I said, can you believe this?
This is the most time I've been at home since

(01:50:55):
really off season in the pros where we never went anywhere,
and they're early seventies. Week we got a job, so
I was home, you know, the entire obviously's have never
traveled at all, but in the less I was. In
the last fifteen years, I'm gone four days a week,
at least four days a week, and this year I
wasn't going to be home maybe a day a week,

(01:51:18):
and now I'm I'm here. A matter of fact, I've
been moreing paddocks all the day I've been. I've been
doing things that I really enjoyed doing, moing paddocks, looking
at horses, working horses with my trainer. In the mornings.
I've been doing stuff I've never I never have done
in a long time, and I thoroughly enjoyed. But I'm

(01:51:39):
you know, I've got a great life and think and
we love each other tremendously and and we're very close.
So this is working out if you If you don't
get along with your be bad timing man could be
bad race horses or reining horses, working horses their court.
I l quarter horses, quarter horses, and I show him

(01:52:02):
a halter. My horses are big, massive animals that are
not athletic enough to do cutting, reining, racing, uh stuff
like that uh gssage. They they're big, beautiful animals. And
the way halter came about was early fifties. They would
show these horses. They would ride these horses in events

(01:52:24):
to grope on them, uh that, calf on them, and
steer roping, still wrestling, They do all those things. And
then in the afternoon they take the salads brochum off,
take him out, stand them up, and they judge them
for halter for confirmation. And that's how the quarter horse
actually evolved. And then the halter with the we gotta
stud coming in our business called impressive and he has
an express explosive gene, and all of a sudden, we're

(01:52:47):
gotting sixteen seventeen hand horses with massive forms, little heads,
big chests, and long hips. And so that's the business
that that I got into primarily because I got hurt
roping and I love the horse to so much this,
This was easy for me to fall into. Well, Terry, Listen,
I look forward to happy hour tomorrow. If you get
any hunters or jumpers or any ponies, let me know.

(01:53:08):
I got. I got some girls that I got. I
would would would get in the car and drive to
Thackerville and ride them every day for you. Hey, Well,
we also have the world's number one pleasure stud So
we do have the greatest riding horse in America. And
my daughter stands a horse called John Simon, and I've
had six world champions out of him. And my paint
horses and that ride and they do all of that

(01:53:29):
stuff that you're girls would love. And if you don't
get them down here and let me put a really
pretty horse under them, shame on you. We're in We
do not take care of you body. I know, I know,
I got my law. My in laws are in drum right.
We'll come to the in laws, unload the stuff, drive
down to Thackerville. It's couple hour drive, and we'll be
there with some sonic drinks in hand. We can add

(01:53:50):
some bourbon to the dr Pepper got a Sonic one
and a half miles from here. I'm right by the
casino WinStar Son. You can get your burger there. You
can stay at one Star and then I'll show you
a horse and your girls can pick out a horse
or two, doesn't matter. And the way you go, Bud, Uh, Terry,
We're gonna have to talk Eric Shanks in terms of

(01:54:12):
I mean, um, yeah, we're gonna talk to Shanks about
about some increasing salary in order to pay for those worlds. No, no, no, no,
I'm making this easy for you. I'm gonna give them
to you. Now. What you gotta say, Bud, just filling
up the car with gasts as as we speak. No,
you don't need a car, you need a truck and
a trailer. I have a it's a it's a truck.
We do have a trailer as well. Facebook dot Com

(01:54:33):
slash official Terry Bradshaw. He can make the pitch official
tomorrow night on Facebook TV. Thanks so much, Thanks to
enjoyed it very much. The best, He's the best, Terry Bradshaw.
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of wanting sixteen schools. Yeah, I won't go to sixteen
to eight, but remember that's at the end of the
current agreement. That will create more money, more revenue. But
we don't know what that new world looks like. But

(01:55:39):
I do think that they're gonna try and bleed every
amount of revenue out of college football that they can,
because especially now with less revenue coming in from the
n c A tournament for at least a year. Jack Nicholas,
by the way, co leading the eighty six Masters. He
has a put on seventeen for Birdie to go to
nine on the college Tom Collin, Jack's gonna win the
Oka ESPN let me ruin this one for Rock will

(01:56:01):
pulls this one out. Go ahead that the NBA will
hold a horse competition with players alumni and w NBA
players including Trey Young, Chris Paul, and Zach Levine. Keep going,
all right. The bat used by Yankees great Louke Garrig
in nineteen twenty two sold at auction for over a
million dollars this past week. Money crazy well spent right

(01:56:21):
iron horse. There's probably a lot of bats that he had.
Can you imagine all the bats he used in all
those consecutive games, Yeah, tons of him. That one's for
a million bats. Not worth anything. By the way, Nicholas
has made Bertie on seventeen, so he's taken the lead. Finally,
a baseball league in Taiwan, we'll resume play with no

(01:56:41):
fans that attendants. So one team is going to plan B.
The Rackets and Monkeys are putting robots in the stands
for their games. Okay, I've said it before, I'll say
it again. If MLB wants no fans, you know, playing
Miami and in Tampa backing out the press. So look.
Tom Brady did a sit down interview over two hours

(01:57:02):
with H with Howard Stern. With Howard Stern, my biggest
takeaway is apparently Giselle gave him my way or the highway,
and he chose her way. This The Doug Golip Show

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