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There there are discussions, at least discussions about the possibility

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of the college football season being pushed back until the spring,
push back into the spring. Now, look, there's it's almost
like there's there's tides pushing in either direction. If you've
been listening to our updates, Dan Buyer with the updates today,
you know the Colonials coming back online. No fans. That's
in Dallas. What used to be called the g h

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OH the Greater Hartford Open, now it's called the Travelers Championship.
That's gonna be back online. In Cromwell, Connecticut in June.
Also no fans. So golf whether the sport can be
played with no fans a matter of fact, they tell fans,
shut the hell up. You know, we're trying to play
golf fear. It's like Tiger Woods his favorite this giving
Tigers like, you know, it was the greatest year ever

(03:04):
playing golf two thousand twenty because there wasn't anybody going,
you're mad, Tiger, You're the man. Anyway. So golf is saying,
and we're gonna get back online. It feels Sam Amick
from USA Today said it feels like there's a change
in the tide, So sorry, Sam may make the athletic
everybody leaves for the athletic writers. In the Transfer portal Um,

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sam Amick said that there's there's there's growing feeling that
the NBA could come back online. So we're getting closer
and closer, and there is the idea now that you
can play sports without fans. And it's not perfect, but
it's the best that we can possibly do. Plus sports
has become a you know, a TV show more than anything.

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But let me, let me help you understand why the
college football thing is gigantic, gigantic, and it we have
to have a college football season, and we have to
have it in the fall. First, you're gonna have to
surrender the idea that sports can't be played without fans

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in attendance. I'm just gonna have to. By the way,
college presidents are gonna have to surrender the idea that
they can have college without college attendance. The truth be
told poorly kept secret on college campuses is lots of
athletes don't step foot on campus after the first year anyway.
They take most of their classes online, not the old

(04:31):
correspondence course. Do you ever take correspondence course? I was
a terrible correspondence course student. That's basically where you got
like ten assignments, you gotta tournament, and then there's the final.
You never even have to you know, that was that
was pre internet days. Correspondent. I'm talking. I'm talking about
that and talk about rtual classes. But sports can and
will be played without fans. Whether college football be played

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without fans or not, I don't yet know. I know
there's legitimate discussions about having the football season in spring.
But here's the issue. Here's the issue. There's this thing
that I study called the law of unintended consequences. Now,
my dad taught me a lot of things, some I

(05:15):
agree with, some I disagree with. One of the things
he taught moves to play chess. Do you guys ever
played chess? Um? And there's a reason that they say,
will you guys playing chess? The other guys playing checkers?
Because though checkers is a cool game, it doesn't have
the nuances of what chess has. And with a chessboard,

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every move matters to all the other pieces. Right. I
love the idea that there's pawns. Hey, you don't matter
that much you're a pawn. Will sacrifice. You there's a
parallel that to that with you know, with the rest
of the world. But the thing you learned when you
play chess is every move affects the entire board. It

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just does every move in fact and affects the entire
board and the entire board like you know that when
you move one piece to a piece, like all right,
we're trying to move the other person's queen or trying
to ultimately, you know, take down of me. That's you
know what the intended consequences are. But you have to
look at the entire board, and the guys are the

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greatest chess players can understand that one move affects that board.
If you push the college football season to spring, you
throw off the entire equilibrium of a college campus. I'm
not gonna sit here and tell you that college football
isn't more important than any other sport. It's a great fundraiser,
it's a great dalvinizer. Uh, it's it's amazing. On the

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other hand, if you play it in the spring, now
all of a sudden, now the sudden, you affect college basketball,
which doesn't make as much money but usually does make
some money. And more than anything, when you have a
college basketball season, you have a college basketball conference tournament.
Then you have an end a tournament, which, as I've
told you, that is the one fundraiser, that is the
one p t A event of the year for all

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of the Division one institutions. The reason their financial books
are off already even though football has yet to be
technically affected, is there's a three fifty million dollars shortfall
from the n c A from the tournament, and then
you have the conference tournament, huge financial shortfalls. If you

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push football to the spring, now you affect college basketball.
You hurt college basketball again. You're gonna hurt the pay
out to the n c A. You hit to pay
out to the n c A, you hurt to pay
out to all the colleges, and it becomes the snowball effect.
And now you'll see men's soccer, swimming, you know, baseball, wrestling,
all of those go away. Then there's the other part

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of the unintended consequences of keeping people safe, which is
it's a legit reason to not have gigantic crowds college
football games where you have people coming from all over
the state, all over the country just to tailgate with
each other. You hug each other out like that. I
understand there's a problem, but shutting down college campuses and

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shutting down college football weekends, you are killing college towns
in America. Killing there is there is no level of
financial stimulus that can fund all those restaurants, all those bars,
all those hotels. Forget about the school itself, everything that
surrounds it is in fact affective. I am not a

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pure capitalist. I am not I spend time playing professional
basketball in Russia. That was pure capitalism, and I understand
that the problem of pure capitalism is that there is
no help for the guy who's down in the gutter.
It sounds really really good to say, hey, I gotta
you know, you got Darwinism effect. But in this particular case,

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if the gvernm and shut something down, we gotta help.
But there's no level of stimulus that is going to
allow these college towns, these universities to survive. So as
we continue to have reasonable conversations, and it's a reasonable
conversation to be cautious about whether or not we can
proceed with college football on any scale. Whether there's fans,

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whether it's not fans. It's not always just about the
bottom line. It's not. We're not all bottom line business,
but the bottom line does matter. This is like the
discussion you have with your kids, right. You don't want
money to be the only reason to make a decision.
Money isn't the cure for all things to make you happy,
but you do need to have money to survive. You

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do need to work at some point. So as we
begin to have conversations about getting over ourselves as fans
of sports and understanding that fans in the stands do matter,
got it noted, we should also point out that I
just don't think universities can survive without college football, and

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I think that moving it to the spring ends up
hurting all the spring sports, most specifically the n c
A Tournament, which is the fundraiser for all college sports.
And though it sounds like a smart and sensible solution
just go hey, we'll just press paws on. Be fine,
the factor is, at some point the damage is so

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great that whatever the new world looks like. While there
may be more people that are healthier and don't have
to suffer through this terrible virus, we've done unmitigated damage
to the financial structure of university's, college towns and general business.

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So this is a hard one. But I'm of the
belief that, yeah, you gotta have college football. You do.
You gotta have it to get those TV deals, to
get that money to at least keep everything afloat. You
can have without fans. You can have without students on campus. Oh,
we can't have without students on campus. Yes you can.

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You can do online classes. You've got four months to
figure it out. You know. It took my kids public
school a couple of weeks to figure it out. With
some of the brightest um administrators and professors in America,
I think they can figure out how to make the
internetwork in the next four months. And look, I understand
for people who don't, why are you trying to make

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these decisions now when we because because a university of
any magnitude, but especially these massive ones Michigan, Ohio, State, Texas,
you can't say, all right, we'll let you know next week. Now,
you've gotta plan in advance. If I'm planning in advance,

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come hell or high water, we are going to have
college football because that will keep us afloat, that will
sustain us. And then we work backwards and try and
figure out all right, can we have fans, can we
have students on campus? Figure out how to get college
football back. It is the lifeblood of a university. It
ain't even close. Ask anybody figure out how to do

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worst case scenario stripped down crew. Maybe you can't play
in the state of California, in Oregon, in Washington, in
some of these really blue states where they're being super supercautious.
Figure out how to get that on TV. To put
some sort of product out there. It'll be better than
that awful horse competition that was on ESPN over the weekend.

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And then if we can figure out how to get
people in stands, students back on campus, then even better.
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Wading up coming in fifteen minutes, Aaron Torres, Bruce Felman,
and a couple of great draft process bacts including Javon Kin,
law An amazing, amazing personal perseverance story upcoming at the

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top of next hour. Coming up next, the debate over
who's the greatest of all time on the basketball floor
has been banded about over the past couple of years.
With Lebron James and Michael Jordan's that debate will end Sunday.
I'll tell you why. Next. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three

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p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in
the I Heart Radio app Doug Gollup Show, Fox Sports Radio. Um. Okay,
so here here's the here's the thing. Um, do we
have the any Jordan's sound from earlier today? Michael Jordan
was on UH. Um, he was on Good Morning America
earlier today. So Michael Jordan was on Good Morning America

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and he was talking about Jordan was talking about uh
the upcoming documentary. He was talking about the upcoming documentary
which is called The Last Dance. It's about Jordan's final
year playing in the NBA, playing four the Chicago Bulls

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and they end up winning his sixth NBA title. And
I know he came back and played for the Wizards.
But the truth is the final play of his final
real NBA game was a mad jump shot over Brian
Russell Cleveland High School, Long Beach State, So Cal Kid,
and that shot and look as good as the ending

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the Peyton Manning and John Elway's career was, you know,
winning your last game riding off into the sunset. John
Elway was the shell of the superstar that he was
earlier in his career. And Peyton Manning nine touchdowns seventeen receptions.
He didn't buy anyone's account. He didn't play well his
last year, whether he was hurt or he just got

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benched by for brock Osweiler like it did not. It
was not as pretty as history may look upon it
as opposed to Jordan's who not only hit the game
winning shot um he had a drive, he had two
free throws, he had to steal stole the ball from
from Karl Malone, and then he had the game winning
shot on the road against the Jazz in his final

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shot of what really was his NBA career, right, nothing
compares to it. Jordans came out yesterday and said basically
apologized for how some of this stuff is gonna look.
ESPN is gonna keep the language intact. Right, They're not
gonna bleep out the language. So ESPN is gonna They

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haven't done that since playmakers, Right, that was their reality
full reality show actually had a lot of reality to it.
So they're gonna do ESPN after dark. Everyone I know
is gonna watch. And and there's this question about whether
or not whether or not Um Jordan's gonna come across

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looking like a jerk. Right, let's just use logic here,
all right, Michael Jordan's not only in the film, but
he's promoting the film. Do you think for one second
one Jordan hasn't of course he's seen the film. If
he's seen the film and he's promoting the film, I'm
guessing he walked out of the theater, or walked out
of his home theater, or walked away from his laptop thinking, yeah,

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that's pretty good and I look great. If you think
there's any sort of debate as to who the greatest
of all time is, that debate will be ended on Sunday.
I know it's a ten part series. I know they're
gonn a show, you know, two pieces at once or whatever,
and it's not gonna get to the conclusion until the conclusion,
et cetera. The debate will end on Sunday. The only

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thing holding Jordan's back from being seen as the greatest
of all time with the younger generation. I guess two things.
One is stats, because what you you know, Like, look
do you say to yourself, well, I look statistically Lebron James,
He's done this, X, Y, and Z, like the sport
has completely changed, completely changed. All the all the goons

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that used to knock Jordan on his ass every time
he drove to the hoop during the Jordan Rules era
of the Detroit Pistons. Those guys they don't play in
the NBA. Is no more for them to play anymore.
In the NBA, you can have one guy who can't shoot,
one role guy one Dennis Robin. You can't have two slugs,
so that opens up the lane. Of course, he would
have been better. There's more three shot, it's more finesse,

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full game, there's no hand check anymore, all of these things.
But the two things that hold people back are one
the stats and two a recency bias. There's a whole
generation of NBA fans that have never seen him play,
and when you watch him, he'll be like Oh my god,
he's so much better than I thought, right, so much

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better than I thought I It's ridiculous, how good, how dominant,
how mentally and physically tough he actually was. We can
have these debates. If you want to have the debates
based upon stats, well, then Russell Westbrook is the greatest
player of the last five to ten years in the NBA,
maybe the last twenty five years in the NBA. Why

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he average triple double three years in a row. No
one had average triple double since Oscar Robertson, No one
in modern basketball average double. So again, if you go
based upon the stats, he's a better or better all
around player than Magic Johnson, who is Mr. Triple Double.
But anybody who lived through the Magic Johnson era is like, no,
that's not even close. Right. Once you see somebody play,

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you actually watched them play, you watch how revered he was,
how tough he was, the physical beating that he took,
you're gonna completely change the way you think and look
at stats, and the recency bias will then shift in
his favor. And my guess is, no matter how tough
he was on teammates like Scott Burrell and others, if

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Jordan didn't come across looking good. He wouldn't support this film,
he wouldn't promote this film he has. You're gonna walk
out of your living room in five Sundays, gonna like
there's never been anybody like Michael Jordan will be nobody,
since we are all going to be part of the
Church of Conversion, will be converted to that Church of
Jordan's just watch. Be sure to catch the live edition

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of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific. Let's get to Brandon Weeden New joins
This from a first round pick in the National Football League. Brandon,
the week before the draft, do you remember what you
thought would happen? Uh? Yeah, I mean I kind of
knew there was only a hint and maybe a couple

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of teams if I were to go in the first round.
I knew it was just gonna be a couple of teams,
in Cleveland being one of them. Um, you know, as
far as you know after that, I knew Denver may
take one. Um there's a couple of you know, Miami
took Ryan, so there, I mean there was a few teams. Um,
you know that I thought we're gonna take quarterbacks and
and like I said, best case scenario for me as

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far as going you know, in that first round was
probably gonna be Cleveland. So I kind of just you know,
that was kind of where I kind of had my
my hope set and um, you know, fortunately it all
worked out. I didn't really know. I went to New
York for all the fun stuff, you know, the days
leading up to it, but I came home for the
actual draft because I didn't know. I mean, the best
case scenario is probably where I went. Um, if not,

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it was probably gonna be that next day in the
second round. So I didn't want to be in the
green room and camera's painting to me the whole time, um,
because it's just you know, let's not pointing for the player.
So I decided to come home and do with a fan.
But yeah, that was kind of my thought going into it.
I'm trying not to stress out about too much. I
had already done everything I could do. Now was you know,

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kind of up to the guys that made all the decisions.
You you mentioned Ryan Ryan being Ryan Tannehill, a guy
who had not only played against, but frankly outplayed when
he was at Texas A and m Um, how do
you think your career Do you think your career would
have been different had you going to Miami? Yeah? I
mean yeah, I mean I think you look at just
the organization as a whole, and they're not the most stable,

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and you know, I wouldn't say they're the best ran
you know, functioning organization of football, but definitely definitely better
than Cleveland was when I got to Cleveland two thousand
and twelve. Um, you know, I mean, who knows. I
I think about stuff like that all the time. It's
obviously out of my control now, but you know, just hypothetically,
you know what things have been different if I go

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to a different, different situation. And I say this all
the time, and I told you this several times. You know,
you can be a good player sometimes and get thrown
the wrong mix and you know you kind of come
out of the back end that deal and not looking
real good. It's just it's hard, especially at that level.
You know, you can overcome it, you know, at the
collegiate level and and other things, but the NFL is

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just so competitive. Um, you know that as a quarterback,
especially a young quarterback, you need you need stability. You need, um,
like a good staff. It's gonna kind of tell the
what you do to what the quarterback does. You need
good players around you, you you need a good defense, you
need everything. Um, you know, and and obviously we were
we're kind of lacking. You know, a lot of pieces
in Cleveland. We do. We just didn't have a whole

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lot of stability and there was a lot of missing parts.
But um, you know, that's that's a lot of it.
I mean, you know, Russell Wilson is an unbelievable player.
You know, he got the luxury of going to Seattle
and handed to to Marshawn Lynch and having one of
the best defenses in the last twenty years. So you know,
they didn't they didn't ask him to do a whole lot.
You know, they may have thought, you know, their team
seventeen times a game is not really screwed up. And

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obviously it's part layed that into a super Bowl and
a bunch of money. And he's done extremely well. He's
a great player. But you know, he's fell into the
perfect situation, even though he wanted to hide around draft pick,
you know. So it's all about where you end up
and in the pieces that are already in place. Brandon Waiting,
our guests in the Doug Gtlic Show on Fox Sports Radio,
what do you think of Joe Burrow? I think he's

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a special talent. Kind of just piggybacking off what I
was just saying. You know that the scary part is,
I mean Cincinnati's got some some decent players. I mean
there's still there's still missing some pieces as well. But
you know, again, I mean, as good as he is,
he's gonna need some help. He's gonna need you know,
guys like a J. Green, and he's got you know,
he's got a good back, he's got a pretty decent

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offensive line, he's got decent defense. I think he's got
a chance to be really really good. Um, it's not
gonna be perfect all the time. Um, the expectation that
is probably gonna needs that it needs to be because
he's gonna be the first pick. That's just not that's
just not realistic. You know, that's before a rookie quarterback.
That's a tough division. Obviously, Baltimore keeps getting better. Um,
Cleveland on paper looks really good. Um, you know, so

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it's it's a it's a tough division. You know, I
think you you you got to take him there because
I think he's a he's a can't miss prospect. I
think he just got all the tools to be to
be really special. Um, And so I think it's you know,
I wish you could land somewhere other than Cincinnati because
you know, they're kind of not quite the Cleveland's level.
They've kind of in that mold of just not being

(24:23):
one of the better RAN organizations. Um, you know, so
hopefully hopefully it works out for him. Um. We talked
about before. I'm not sure how much leverage he has,
and he this is the most leverage he's gonna have
for four years. But um, you know, hopefully he gets
the Cincinnati and and they bring some guys in to
help him. Yeah. No, Look, he's got some good skill
position guys. Obviously Joe Mixing unhappy with but he's making

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but you know, he's uh, he definitely has UH. And
you know, last year's first round pick is offensive lineman.
I think if you can fix the offensive line, you know,
the defense has been a disaster the past couple of years.
But it's not like Sincinnati hasn't been competitive in the
last decade. They made the playoffs five consecutive years before,
kind of t in it down and now trying to
rebuild it. It will be fascinating. Let's let's let's get

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to tu. Um. Look to us a left handed player
that hasn't been a left handed quarterback in a couple
of years in the NFL. He's been hurt several times. Um,
but he is deadly accurate, super competitive. Um. He's not
Lamar Jackson, but he's mobile enough. Um. What are your
thoughts on to injuries, style, left handed, all things in

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your as a former NFL quarterback and an evaluator, what
do you think? Yeah, he's kind of a I want
the question marks on the thing we all know we
can play. But all those things you just mentioned are
gonna be the the glaring questions that teams are gonna
be asking, especially the teams that have a chance to
take him early in the first round, mid part of
that first round. You know the left handed thing. You know, well,

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you you watch Michael Victoroball. I don't know if there's
many guys that have prettier ball to Michael Vick, being
left handed ball just comes out nice to kind of
the same deal with those, a great deep ball, He's accurate,
plenty of arm strength, so that I think it's kind
of a new deal. I know it's kind of a anomaly.
There's not not many of them out there. Um, but
you know, the the injuries, I mean I think that's
the biggest concern. You know, he's had, you know, quite

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a few of them. Obviously, the hip is probably the
obviously the most recent, um and and serious. So that's
gonna be the big you know, That's why the combine
is what it is. You know, that's why it's you know,
it's it's a medical uh just a pony show. But
you you know, he's he's he's gone through all of it.
I've seen the videos of you know, he's working with
Trent Dilferd and doing some of these drills. Is quote

(26:35):
unquote pro day him throwing him. He looks, he looks sharp.
I mean, ball obviously comes out of his hands, he
looks mobile, is drop was good, footwork close good, Um,
I mean everything looks looks normal. I think he's you know,
if he does slide, I think he's gonna be a
steelboard teams. I think he's got a chance. I have
a hack of a career, and you know again selfishly
that we're talking about a minute ago. For him, it

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may not be a bad deal to slide to you know,
ten twelve overall, you know, maybe have an opportunity to
go to a bigger, better organization with the better football team.
But uh, you know he's he's Uh. I think he's
a he's a really good player on hell of a
hell of a college career, and I think he's got
all the tools and all the makings be a a
really good player. You are still playing when Mahomes was

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in college, but you know, like all of us Big
twelve along as you still watched him, did you know
did you know did you know he could be this? No? No,
I mean you know he was good, um gun slinger,
kind of careless with the ball, but made plays like
fluting on those wild plays, some of those throws like
holy cow, you know, on the run and going back
across his body, stuff that you can't really get away

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with in the NFL. No, I mean I'd be I'd
be lying to you if I said I thought he'd
be as good as he is now. Um, you knew
he had the arm strength, obviously, you knew he had
the arm town, But I mean what he's doing in
the NFL, man, that's that's uh, that's pretty pretty remarkable.
And uh, he seems like a great guy. I don't
really know him. Everybody, dude that I know that notice him,

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speaks highly of him, and um, you know it's he's
about to make a ton of money and rightfully so,
I think he's he's one of the most fun players
to watch in the NFL. And um, I saw a
little bit of Texas Tech, but I still think he's
he continues to get better and um, I mean he's
he's far exceeded my expectation of him. I think he's
he's uh, he's proved a lot of people wrong. I

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think he's done done extremely well. Okay, So I asked
you because there are some that say Jordan's love reminds
them of the Mahomes. Is that in any way a
fair comparison? Oh, I mean skill said athletic ability. Maybe
I don't. I don't quite see it. I mean, I
I hate to even put him in that category. It's
that's tough. Um. I know why people do, because he

(28:45):
kind of he can make some those wild plays. Um,
he's done He's done it against pretty good, um, you know, decent,
decent competition. Not quite like what Mahomes did, but you know, yeah,
I think he's I think he kind of if you
had to compare him to a player in the league,
I think that's a comparison. He's not even on the
same playing it yet. Um, but I think, yeah, there's
there's definitely some comparisons there ran waiting our guests in

(29:08):
the Doug Gottlief Show here on Fox Sports Radio, and
then you have what I would say is kind of
the the the curious case of a guy who's a highly,
highly decorated quarterback at at Oregon, who you know, he checks,
you know, all the physical boxes right like, there's not
anything you like. He's not small, he's got a big arm.

(29:28):
You know, he's proven that he can win games. Some
people would say that it's it's coaching and it was
a bad fit style wise, but I don't know. I mean, uh,
you look around and Justin Herbert is the guy that
people have a lot of mixed feelings about. What do
you think of Justin Herbert? Kind of the same, He,

(29:49):
in my opinion, is the biggest question mark. You know,
like you just said, you know, the tools, the size,
the arm strength, the you know, he's pret athletic guy. Um,
but then you watch the games in college and he's
just disappears those those some picks make horrendous decisions, and
then you watch a game and he just makes all
the throws and it makes it makes it look easy.
So just the consistency, I think that's the thing at

(30:10):
the college level you want to see from from these
college quarterbacks. You know, a weekend and week out, go
out there and you know, not make a bunch of
a bonehead of mistakes and win games. You know, I'm
not gonna lie, I'm not lying to and say I
watched a ton of him for you know, a ton
of his games this past year, but I bet I
saw four or five. And uh, of those four or five,

(30:31):
you know, there was there's a couple who looks like
a like a top two three pick over all the
type guy, and then there were some of my man,
how's this guy gonna be a first round pick? You know,
you just he's kind of hit and miss, kind of
all over the board. The upside is there that you
definitely see the potential and you know, again lands on
the right spot. You know, he has the ability to
be a really good one. Um, just you know, in

(30:52):
my opinion, has got to get more consistent. Randy, great stuff. Man,
I'm sure there's some you know they look there's I
don't know what what your memories are of the NFL draft,
but I mean, how many guys are drafted as high
as you're drafting too? Professional sports? Right? Obviously baseball with
the Yankees organization and then the Browns. Uh, gonna be
a cool kind of trip down memory lane. Can't we
talk to you next week as we get closer and

(31:13):
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(31:58):
what do you got, Doug? The game today is guess
wo alright, Doug? Oh, guess what professional sports league may
ask players to take salary cuts if their season is
cut short? Yes? I guess guess which? Guess who? They
all could work? But yeah, major League Baseball obviously, with
the maybe cutting the season and half not being able

(32:21):
to play at home stadiums playing only in Arizona. Of
course this would have to also be dealt with the
players association, But yeah, reports over the last twenty four
hours saying this is a possibility. I want half EDDI
half half edd Um. Yeah, I mean like, what what
do you what do you guys expect? You know, I
think it's fast in the NBA so far, they're paying

(32:42):
guys in full. Um. You know, those guys are social
justice warriors, are on social media. I'm waiting for the
first NBA team and go like, hey, we gotta cut
you a little bit there? How did the how of
that play out? But baseball has the strongest union. But
even that's that strong union understands if I answer ramifications
of the time. Guess who is a USC quarterback that

(33:04):
has now entered his name in the transfer portal. Joe
Dirty actually the same guy Daniels. Yes, that is the case.
Of course, he injured his knee in their season opener
last season against Fresno State. Then uh was was didn't
play the rest of the season, ended up having a
red shirt season. So you have three years of eligibility remaining.

(33:27):
But yeah, no word on where j. T. Daniels could
be headed. Well j T Daniels, remember he did. He
come out of Modern Day winning three championships, didn't play
his senior year. Was was old? Was like a holdback
or double hole back whatever. So he was nineteen is
fresh year. It wasn't like he was super young. But um,
look he got hurt and he got beat out. That's
really right, that's that's that's what happened. And um, I

(33:51):
think he's a guy who doesn't have a great arm,
has a lot of intangibles. I'll be fast to see
where he goes. And you know, this is the perfect
year to transfer, because if you have to sit out,
you might not actually miss anything. Guess who? Dug joke
today that he was retiring, but not from professional football
but rather arm wrestling. Missed the story. Need a hint um?

(34:17):
How about Fly Eagles, Fly Carston wentz Oh, Jason Peters
sextually really close on both of them. Jason Kelsey Man
Kelsey Kelsey is the one. Yeah, why do you lose
a arm wresting match? There was a joke he put
up on an Instagram of him arm wrestling a buddy

(34:39):
and saying, Hey, I'm to and no, I've decided to
retire from arm wrestling, but I will play the Guess
who Doug said quote let's review it a year from now,
two years from now, three years from now, let's let
it all play out end quote about the DeAndre Hopkins
trade to Arizona. That would be his head coach, Bill O'Brien. Yes, absolutely,

(35:02):
Bill O'Brien holding a conference call today. What we don't
know is Bill O'Brien was asked by a reporter if
he consulted with Deshaun Watson prior to the trade. All
O'Brien said was, I'd like to keep the conversations with
the player private. So it didn't even sound like he
revealed if he told them before or after that sounds

(35:23):
like he did. But he doesn't want to sell out
Deshaun Watson because he's boys with DeAndre Hopkins. He would
be really smart if he did. Hey, man, listen, this
is what we're planning on doing. This is why we're
planning on doing it. And I want you to understand.
You don't have to like it, right, And I would
be really really smart leadership. People have asked me all
the time, what would you do differently with your career, Like,
at least in college, I would have these open conversations

(35:45):
with my with my coach, and that would tell you, yeah,
at least you would. You're not any good. That's what
he would have said, You're not any good. Uh. Bill
O'Brien also explained the trade of saying, hey, you've got
to you know, franchise quarterback, franchise, defensive end, franchise left tackle.
You're all trying to pay, so you can't give everybody

(36:07):
franchise money. Guess who. Doug was recently fired as an
ambassador of one of his former NBA teams, and I say, recently,
I'll last a month or two. Charles Oakley, No, Scottie

(36:27):
Pippen Chicago Bulls will the Bulls the He was fired
in mid March and told the NBC Sports Chicago the
firing was probably a good thing, right. I like to
associate myself with winning. I wouldn't know why he was
fired what he said, I mean, because you know, you

(36:47):
don't have to you don't have to. You can be
honest without being totally honest. But was it because he
was honest? And this was the old regime before the
kindness oft era began. Finally, Doug, guess who on the
crew had a Michael Jordan's T shirt when they were younger? Everybody?
That's what I thought too. And then I'm gonna go,
you're surprised by this or a surprised that everybody didn't

(37:08):
have on. I was just surprised. Yeah, I guess maybe
I revealed it that everybody didn't have one. Okay you
this was before the titles, by the way, this was
late eighties. Because I did not like the Bulls winning
six titles. I hated the Bulls at the time, but
I did have one of those caricature shirts, and caricature
church are great. Those should come back, ye should come back.

(37:29):
Half of my wardrobe when I was twelve. I think
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(38:17):
you from the City of Angels. We got a great
show for you. Um. I'm I read this story from
USA Today, Um that college football could lose more than
four billion dollars. Major public colleges could lose more than
four billion dollars if college football season is canceled. Right,

(38:41):
that's not even that's not even discussing all the ramifications
for these college towns like this. This is so the
financial burden of having a college football season, let alone
having just a regular university sched joel uh he is massive.

(39:04):
And do I believe that money it should ultimately be
the reason that we open back up our universities and
our sports. No, but yes, right no, but yes, It's
gonna be a hard pilledle swallow because it will be dangerous.
But did's just so much money, so much money? Eight

(39:26):
seven seven nine nine Fox is the phone number, Ryan Music.
The toughest year of your childhood was? What do you
think about devers? There do as your your childhood? I
would consider myself very lucky because I don't have one
in particular that jumps out to me. Ramas. I don't
know if you considered a childhood, but I think my

(39:47):
first year of high school was kind of a tough year.
The more, um, just new people, like nobody. I think
there was like one person I went to middle school
with went with me to my high school and just
meeting new people and it's always a tough thing, and
especially in high school when you know you're like fourteen
years old or fifteen, you want to really you know,
blend in and stuff. And yeah, it was it was

(40:09):
tough for me, but I went, I purged fourth sprandway
through it and got got better at it. Buyer, Damn, damn, Buyer.
What was the toughest year you remember of your your
child just adjusting to growing up or whatever you want
it could be personally. I don't want to get personal, alright,
but it was. It was there. You don't have to
get personal. Was there a tough year personally? Oh? Just

(40:29):
things happen. I just you know, it's okay. Yeah, I'd say,
like early you know, early teens, there's stuff that happened. Yeah, Yeah, listen,
I had, I had, I had, I would guess a
series of what I would say are occasionally tough years.
There was a year eighty four eighty five, so that
would have been I'd be eight and nine. My dad

(40:50):
they he was an assistant coach at Long Beach State.
They got fired and he went and he was like
a volunteer assistant at Oregon State. So what he did
was he actually sold went to Corvallie, sold cars, got
like a pre arranged job to sell cars, and then
coach basketball at Oregan State in Ralph Miller for a
for a year. Not having like he was just not
there was and this is not in the this is before.

(41:12):
Like now you're like, oh, you call your dad every night,
your face time, I'm like no, Now, the long distance
calls were expensive. Everyone long distance calls were expensive. Yeah,
so you might talk to him once a week. That
was a tough That was a tough year. Um my
year I did. I stayed back in eighth grade maturity sports,

(41:32):
but maturity emotional maturity as well. But knowing I was
going to stay back, I messed around a bunch that
year and it became a I made a what should
have been an easy situation into like an impossible situation
for my parents my first year of high school. But
I never you know, we were I'd say that the
toughest year we had as a family. My dad when

(41:54):
he came back to Morgan State didn't have a job,
and he had had this car, a nineteen seventies six
Honda Civic. My dad didn't know anything about cars um
and but it needed to starter and so is a
stick shift, And we had a push started every day
because he didn't really have the money to afford to
get it to get it fixed. I remember push starting

(42:17):
the car every day and hoping it wouldn't stall out,
but I always had a roof over my head. We
always had food to eat my that that's not the
case for Javon Kinlaw, who's a super super talented player
at the University of South Carolina. He grew up partially
in South Carolina in the Low Countries, just North Charleston,
partially in d C with his mom, and he joins

(42:39):
us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Javan,
how are you? I'm pretty good, thanks to playing. Thanks
for Where are you right now? I'm in Columbia all right.
You're Columbia, South Carolina, the home of the game Cox
Course where you went went to school. Um, what's what's
the prep been like? Considering you know, we're on quarantine.
Are you are you able to work out? Did were

(43:01):
you able to you know, meet with with with teams
at all? I mean just a lot of conditioning, honestly,
just a lot of cardio but on team while I've
been doing all these facetimes. That's about it. Yeah, what
was the what was the weirdest FaceTime was? Like? Was
there any really do you put? Do you put a
fun background behind you? Like on zoom or do you
just go straight up? What do you? What? What's your
what's your? You know? Are you in sweat? Do you

(43:22):
get dressed up? How do you? How do you do
the the FaceTime calls? Men? I just shirt on, ain't
got one of you? Got one on? I've got one
on you. Whether I'm in the living room, outside, I
don't know, in the car, wherever, whenever. Where do you
think you're going? I don't know. I have a good question.

(43:43):
I got no clue. Javon Kinlaw joining us on the
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. How would you
describe your your childhood? How would I describe what your childhood?
I mean, just tough. I guess I don't gonna feel
like getting into because the story is out there, but
it's yeah, it's just it's is you know everybody go

(44:06):
through stuff like that? Yeah? I think so. But the
fact that you've allowed it and and we don't have
to get deep into it, but the fact that you've
the process of telling people was that was that therapeutic?
Like do you feel better having told people about how
tough it was? Or in hindsight, do you you wish
you hadn't let people in fetter about what just the

(44:27):
idea that people know because like we don't know, Like
who would I as a national radio host, I wouldn't
know about how tough it was for you unless you
had allowed people to know the story, you know what
I mean? So I just don't know. I let people know,
like a little piece of the story for me. I
let him know. If you can't never let everybody know,
you know, how about you as a whole? You know?

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But I mean it's cool. I guess who is the
person most responsible for you being drafted on Thursday night
other than you? God? God? Honestly. Yeah, kept doing a
lot of a lot of tough times, you know, a
lot of hard situations. Did you ever think about Quentin football? Oh? Yeah,

(45:14):
all the time, not like recently, by like when I
was first talking out, Yeah, all the time. What kept
you going? I don't know, man, that's a good question.
I just mm hmmm. I would think about a Quentin,
but like I've never really be it quick like allways,
just kept going because I mean I think everybody had
much else going on. Javon kin Laws super talented defense

(45:37):
attack on the University of South Carolina, joining us on
the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, so
what what how are you going to approach Thursday night?
Like you all, your your mom, your brother, your family
going to be around or you know you you're doing
this obviously we have the social distancing, Like, what what
is your plan for Thursday night? I'm not sure. Yeah, honestly,

(45:59):
I'm pretty sure some family. I'm just looking forward to
just keeping on the field. That's about it, honestly. Yeah.
For for a guy who is such a dynamic football
player and now you all you can do is cardio, right, Like,
I'm sure you've lived either on the field or in
the weight room and you want to get after it.
And even after you're drafted, you're not gonna be able

(46:20):
to go get after it. It's not gonna be It
doesn't feel like they'll be normal. O. T A S.
What's this? You know? Like, how do you handle all
of the extra energy that you have? M SHO. I
got a kid, so she'd take all money? How old? Now? Um,
this is it's an amazing time, right, It's a time.

(46:41):
This is one of the great experience of your life
that you're gonna be a first round draft pick and
you have your daughter that you're able to actually you know,
experience experience kind of child like normally you'd be traveling
to all these different teams. Is there is there one
thing you've done as a father during the time of
quarantine that you had never done before you probably wouldn't

(47:01):
have done if not for quarantine. I mean because I'm
always around you know, I'm always trying to be around
having stuff like that. So I mean, this ain't nothing
I'll do unusually for me because I'm always around her
and stuff like that. Javon Kinlaw joining us on the
doug Otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. You are not

(47:22):
just a tremendous run stopper, but a ferocious hit her.
Um what's the feeling like of exploding on a quarterback
and really you know, taking a dude down? Um Me,
I just I don't know. I don't really be caring
about tackling form like that. I just like talking to
was like a rag doll most of the time. But
it's cool, man, It's it's a great feeling, you know,

(47:43):
just even working so long, you know, sometimes facts don't
come forever. You know, like it might be that one
drive where you finally get even like Sam I've been
working the whole game for this one moment, you know,
So it's a heck of a human Um. Uh, the
Senior Bowl. Everyone said you dominated the Senior Bowl, considering
your coach, by NFL coaches, you're around some of your

(48:05):
contemporary you're trying to separate yourself. Um, what what was
the experience of the Senior Bowl? Like? For me? Sure,
it was just going out day, showing it out, had
what it took, you know what I'm saying, you know,
just getting a chance to play against some of the
the bit of competition out there. You know, I'm feel
like I held my own pretty well, you know. Javon

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Kinlaw joining us on the Doug Otlip Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Party, you know party. You grew up partially
in the South, partially in d C. Is there any
part of the country that you most hope to relocate to? Uh? Now,
in this country, I mean I want to return that
of course were your mom were your mom's from where
you were born? Right? You want to want to go?

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Have you ever been? No? I know when you when
do you think you'll be able to go? I'm going
out to the Automore I'm going I'm out that's that's
that's the plan. How long you just stay? And I'll
tell uh um. So I looked at I probably planned
on establishments and stuff out there, you know, like like

(49:11):
a foundation a house, like what what establishing stuff instead
of what in terms of what who knows whatever? Whatever?
Honestly devon if if there's a if there's a kid
or a family who's listening, And look, this is tough
times for a lot of people, maybe not to the
level of which you grew up. What would your message
be to somebody who's going through those tough times seeing

(49:33):
you get drafted next Thursday? Oh, I don't know. Just
keep pushing, man. You never know what's gonna happen. Just
keep going, you know, no matter what, I know plenty
people that had it worse than I had it, you know,
So you may not to deal up, So we'll make
it right for me to give up, you know what
I'm saying. So just don't give up. That's all occur. Suit. Well, listen,

(49:53):
you have a you have you have never given up,
and you will reap the benefits of it. Next Thursday night,
enjoy the time time with your daughter and your family,
and thanks so much for joining us on Fox Sports
Radio as Javon Kinlaw joining us on the Doug Otlip Show.
So like, look, he didn't totally want to get into it,
so I'll kind of again. I I saw this story
and I was like, man, so mom moves uh immigrants

(50:17):
from Trinidad and to the DC area and they basically
went house to house to house, sometimes homeless. He went
up sometimes a month without going to school. They were
in a basement with no power. He shared a food
time with his brother. His dad was down in South Carolina,
but his dad had had a drinking problem, so sometimes
he wouldn't go home. He'd sleep on the streets or

(50:39):
stay at a football coach's house. Like the whole thing
is amazing, and yet he I mean, he talked about
a story of perseverance. And I talked to three coaches
who were at the Senior Bowl and they're like, kin
Law is not only a monster, but he just has
this ability to play hard every snap. It's like, you

(51:01):
know sometimes that you have the the my my kids
call them the try hards, right, the guys who just
they play really are but they don't have a ton
of ability. Then you have the guys that have a
ton of ability, Geneveon Clowney, who they don't always play
up to their capability because they're just so uber talented.
That's a guy who's both. That's a guy who's both. Huh,

(51:21):
which prospect in the NFL Draft is most likely to
be a superstar? The answer might surprise you. It's next.
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Let's welcome in Aaron Torre as a friend of the program,
a college basketball inside and you Here'm on Fox Sports
Radio as well. Uh, what do you think of this
G League select team which is gonna be forming in

(51:43):
Los Angeles? Oh, Doug Man, Uh, you know to go
so broad Listen, it's a it's a fascinating concept. Um
it's listen, long story short. I'll try to keep this
brief and then you take it where you want. I
don't think it's great for college basketball, but I do
think that there are things that are you know, people
won't talk about in terms of is it absolutely the

(52:06):
best process for the kids involved? In terms of uh,
you know, training, not playing competitively as much as they
normally would be in a college environment. So that's kind
of the initial thought. I'll let you kind of weave
it where you want. But it's certainly a fascinating concept.
In the G League for years have been trying to
figure out how to kind of penetrate this market, get
high school kids interested in staying in the States and

(52:27):
being part of what they do, And it appears as though,
at least for one year, they've certainly done that. All Right,
this is is a good kind of long form discussion.
That's why I wanted this segment to have enough space
for it. Okay, look sure college BASSTB was a tough
time for college basketball. Right, didn't have a tournament, wasn't
there weren't wren't great teams maybe outside of a couple,
It wasn't like one great dominant team. There wasn't a

(52:48):
Zion this year. There wasn't anybody drawing eyeballs and um,
and then you didn't have a tournament to build up
any sort of hype. And then you have now this
is like a Now this is almost like a body
slam with Oh, and now you're losing a couple of
your top players, one who is going to Michigan and
play for you. Know Juwan Howard, so like this, this
does really hurt. Here's where I'm not. I'm not going

(53:10):
to freak out the way that I think many writers, reporters,
basketball types will freak out, because I want to. I'd
like to see how this plays out in the G League.
I want to show me where the actual money that
they make. Here's this is not going to make money.
It is will be a money loser, Okay, and money loser.

(53:30):
Know what They're gonna play like twelve games. No one's
gonna see it. Yeah, there's no TV huge TV rights
deal for the G League because nobody watches G League basketball.
And I believe the league basketball is very good. I
watched it all the time on like spectrum. You can
spectrum sports that you can watch like the you know,
the South Bay Lakers or whatever, Like those dudes are good,
but nobody cares because it's not the real Lakers, right,

(53:50):
And I think we're in this interesting economic time where
there is a certain Darwinism in effect in that if
you ain't making money, I don't know if you make it.
On the other side of of what's sure to be
a dramatic and really really steep recession, I want to
see how this plays out. I want to see where

(54:11):
where the money actually comes from. Do they actually get
drafted high, or do they actually improve or does the
college process work for the same generation of kids. Well,
and that's my thing, right, And so I think, like
you said, I think there's a lot of people in
the media, many of them probably anti n c A,
anti college basketball, that want this thing to work, that
aren't looking at things. And I think there's two things

(54:32):
that are still at least four now working in college
basketball's favor. One is exactly what you said. They're playing
like twelve games in front of nobody. And I know
this is like the cool trend. Now, Hey, I'm gonna
take off six months and just train, and I don't
need college basketball. But at the end of the day,
these kids love to hoop. And like, you don't get
to be a projected lottery pick um if you don't

(54:55):
love being in the gym and love playing and you
know the process of you know, you work so hard
in practice to play games to have that reward at
the end of all this thing. And I just don't
know that in a year if they play eight, ten, twelve, fifteen,
twenty competitive games over the course of a calendar year,
and you know, twenty eight out of thirty days a

(55:17):
month are dedicated to practice. If that's gonna be that
appealing to kids, even with the money involved. I think
the other factor that nobody's talking about is, and this
is so fascinating, Doug, is that you know, in the
normal draft process, right, is that if a kid goes
to a college, UM, it benefits the college, whether it's

(55:38):
the truth or not, to say really nice things about
that kid when they enter the draft. Oh. I loved
working with them, I I I, you know, I would
love to have them for another year, when in reality
we know that not every coach feels that way about
every player. But it benefits the coach to say that
because one, it helps the kid get drafted higher and
to it doesn't benefit anybody, uh to publicly go after

(56:00):
or a kid. And so I just wonder. You're taking
eighteen year old kids and you're basically asking them to
practice for six days a week, seven days a week,
uh in some cases, to play games in front of nobody,
with nobody in the stands. Note buzz, no energy, no excitement.
And I wonder if them being around NBA people for
a year. If the worst starts to get out, that's

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say there's four or five kids in this you know,
in this program going forward next season, well, maybe being
around NBA folks for a year, they start to realize, Hey,
this kid and that kid, they don't really like basketball.
They sign up for the paycheck, Um, they don't love
to practice, and does that hurt their draft stuck? So
I think everyone's just under this assumption every kid is

(56:40):
going to take this opportunity because it's money in their pocket.
I certainly think some will, but I do think to
your point, there's gonna be drawbacks that nobody really talks about. Yeah,
there's it's there's really fascinating stuff. The other part too,
it is it's it's one thing to play twelve games
in a year. It's another thing to go from high
school slash a AU, right, and where you're playing eighty

(57:04):
ninety like remember high school kids. Okay, for people who
aren't familiar with basketball the basketball scene, you're gonna play
on at least one, if not to AU teams on
a weekend. You're gonna play somewhere between four and eight
games every weekend, or at least every other weekend. In
the major programs with your high school, you play your
high school season, you also play fallball, and you play

(57:26):
in the spring league as well. So you're you're talking
about playing like a hundred games. And I think one
of the big issues that people have with our development
process in the United States is not enough practice. That's great,
but tell a kid who goes from playing a hundred
games like our gonna play twelve games this year and
then here's the other part. They're gonna get their askicked, right, Like,
Like that's the part that no one says they're gonna Like,

(57:48):
Jalen Green is a super talented kid. He's half Filipino,
half black, freak athlete who's becoming a better shooter or whatever.
Like he's eighteen years old. He's gonna play against the
year old kid who was a college are who's a
borderline NBA kid. You know, he's gonna play against Alex
Caruso in the G League and Alice Caruso is going
to kick his ass all twelve games. Do you know why?

(58:09):
Because they've been playing pro basketball now, do I think
it helps them develop? Yeah? You play. On the other hand,
like we're doing this thing where a G league coach
are many of them. Donnie Tindo, I know, is a
longtime college coaches of the league, but many of them
have never been a head coach in their life. Those
are the guys we're gonna have developed our best high
school players as opposed to the college coaches who have

(58:31):
been doing this forty fifty years. In terms of development
developing players, I think there are so many holes to
this thing. I'm intrigued to see how it plays out now.
Look the other hand to it, I'm really cautious. If
the NBA decides to expand beyond one team and it
now becomes legitimier league system, I just don't think that
financially it'll work. And I think ultimately, ultimately, if this

(58:54):
is the play, and if i'm college sports, I'm like, no,
you can't, you have to do I would push for
this to be the play instead of being to go
straight from MYGH school. Yeah no, And And that's kind
of kind of what I wonder on the on the
back end too, is there's been this narrative that you know,
the one and done rule, it is an inevitability that
it's going to get changed. And I do wonder if
this is the NBA kind of easing their way into that.

(59:17):
But I also wonder again on the back end, listen,
and you and I both are not here to crush
eighteen year old kids. But what we're here to do
is give the reality of how this is. Is that
there's a lot of eighteen year old kids that are
already really hard to deal with. There's a lot of
eighteen year old kids who have parents who are really
hard to deal with. And I do wonder if it
has the the reverse effect of you know, you do

(59:40):
this for two or three years and you start to
really yeah, like and I'll give you a good example.
And I'm not you know, criticizing this kid specifically, but
the kid R J. Hampton who went to Australia, right,
it's this big grand story about how he's gonna change
everything and this is gonna become the new pathway if
you really do your homework on that. UM, I'm pretty
comfortable saying sing that I believe that the family felt

(01:00:02):
like they were promised some things that uh, you know,
they that weren't necessarily delivered. Maybe some of it's on
the organization, not blaming the kid, not blaming the family,
but it isn't this utopic thing where he went over
there and he was incredible and he was a pillar
of the community, and the community loved him, and it
was this great thing that worked out for everybody. I
know that there are some people behind the scenes in

(01:00:24):
that league that we're like, man, that really wasn't as
fun as it was like we were promised it to be.
And so, you know, does that happen in the American
system now where it's like, man, you know, let John
Calipari deal with this kid for a year or two.
Let Mike Schefski or whoever the next generation of these
guys is to deal with them for a year or two, because,

(01:00:44):
like you said, Doug, you know, for for it to
make financial sense for these kids to not play college
basketball at all, you're investing a lot of money. And
we heard today some numbers about you know, close to
and salary, but you know, what about housing, what about
you know who whatever? Coaches? And by the way, apparently
there's veteran players that are going to be part of
this program. I mean, this program, without knowing the financials,

(01:01:07):
sounds like it's going to be very expensive. And I'm
just curious if in the long run. It is going
to be worth it. There's a very good possibility it is.
I think there's more of a possibility than people want
to think about that. It isn't last thing. Um My
man A Torres joining us a college basketball inside for
Fox Sports, and of course you hear them on Fox
Sport Trade on the weekends as well. Um, this is
you know, it's really really interesting to me. Uh, there's

(01:01:31):
talk of college football pushing back to the spring. That
would be a disaster for college basketball, like and and
for all college athletics because so much of how they
fund things is based upon the n c A tournament.
I'm not saying the tournament would go away, but it
would be minimized in terms of its importance. Uh, if
it had to change dates or if it was competing
against college football viewers. In your mind, how important is

(01:01:52):
it that now it is college football played, but it's
it's played during the fall, not during the spring. Yeah,
it's it's I mean, it's massive, I mean on every
level financially. Um, you know, and listen a long story,
you know, to go back to last week Mike Gundy,
did he trip over his own words? Yes, But the
point that I made on My Saturday show with Arnge Spanier.
Is the only ultimate point he was trying to make

(01:02:15):
was that it would be crippling for the community of
Stillwater UM and Oklahoma athlete Oklahoma State excuse me, athletics. Yeah,
that was the only point he was trying to make.
And like everyone, you know, whatever, we know how people
acted to anyone that says anything controversial, But that was
the only point he was trying to make. It would
be crippling for college athletics. We're already seeing, uh, you know,
athletics get cut. And I think there's some interesting conversations about,

(01:02:39):
you know, how feasible you know, winter into spring football
would really be because then you're talking about potentially having
a pushback the following season, the fall of one season,
because you can't end a season in in May, June, April,
whatever it would be, and then four months later it's
a lot to come back and ask to to to
open training camp. So it's it's crew show for college

(01:03:01):
college football. I think there's a lot of issues that
were addressed on some of the calls that happened yesterday
in terms of every campus kind of being its own
deal where everything is kind of different um, but I
would say for the health of college athletics as a whole,
is for the health of a lot of the economies
that surround college athletics and towns like Tuscaloos and still
Water and in Norman, Oklahoma, in places like that, it

(01:03:22):
is very important to ideally get this sport going in
the fall. By the way, how good is is healing?
I mean, I think he's really Listen. First of all,
shout out to you, because I saw your tweets this morning.
There's a kid named Kate Cunningham that's going to your
alma mater that is like, bro, like that kid is
so freaking good. And like Jalen Green. I know some
of his high school people that coached him, they loved him.

(01:03:45):
They said he's a great team and as you said, Doug,
a great athlete. But if there was one, if there's
one kid I'm betting my future on that's in high
school basketball right now, betting my career on it's a
kid that's going to Oklahoma State. No disrespect to Jalen Green,
No listen, and I want to I want to and
and my tweet was basically like, look, Jalen Green has
improved he's he's a very very talented kid. Okay, but

(01:04:05):
basketball is where they're starting to figure it out that
it's about skill, it's about being making everybody better and
being great yourself. And Kaid cutting him has this unique ability.
He's a tremendous player who also lifts up everybody else. Right,
he does all these little things. Could he be a
better shooter? Yeah? Could he could? He doesn't need to
change his body and become more pro body, yeah, um,

(01:04:27):
and all those things help. But you know, like there's
a reason that Luca don Chick and Trey Young and
somebody said you gotta have skill passing, shooting, ball handling
and feel. And it's not that Jalen lacks feel. He
just it's sheer force of will and that has that
looks great on highlight tapes, but it's not as valuable

(01:04:48):
on a on a professional or even collegiate basketball floor
as having that same kind of some of the same
levels of athleticism, but far more skill fair fair. And
it goes back to a point that you brought up
a minute ago, is with this jail and Green kid,
as skilled as he is, as good as he looks
relative to high school kids, you know, when he gets
on the floor with twenty six year old grown men

(01:05:09):
and new Look, it's not gonna be a full NBA
ge League season. Excuse me. I give the ge Leaue
credit for coming up with a structure that kind of
helps these kids along. But at some point he's still
gonna have to play against grown men. And he's the
kind of kid that that, you know, physical gifts are there,
the basketball skill you know, I think he could really
struggle early on against these professionals at eighteen years old.

(01:05:31):
Awesome stuff, Aaron, thanks so much, join us look forward
to hearing you this weekend. Alright, Doug, thank you man.
I appreciate it. Pleasures all mine. Doug Gotli show here
on Fox Sports Radio coming up next. Um, what if
I told you that the best potential pro prospect in
the draft is not likely to go number one overall
and is not a quarterback? Find out who it is next.

(01:05:54):
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name is at Uncle Alchemy, and he did what I
thought about doing this one time. I think I hit

(01:06:15):
you up with this idea Ryan Music, which was doing
a segment called out of Context and basically cutting up
comments that like on Tuesday's in the NFL, everybody has
a press conference, right, cutting that sound up and taking
things completely out of context. And Ryan's point, I believe
at the time, was like, yeah, we can't really do that,

(01:06:37):
like it makes people look really bad. I'm like, yeah,
well that's the point of out of context. Like, yeah,
you can't though, because somebody would you play it and
even if at the back end of it you say
like that was out of context, you try and explain
what the person actually meant. The damage could already be done, right,
that's correct. Uh So this guy he cut up my
Kevin Durant issue with Steph Curry. He took eleven seconds

(01:07:00):
out of it. And of those eleven seconds, I said,
Steph is a high turnover guy, can be a little
bit harder, not always great to play with, and doesn't
always make doesn't make necessarily make people better. Team could
be better because the step doesn't mean he makes you better.
There's like a whole other layer to it, Doug. It's
not like there was like another nine minutes of you

(01:07:21):
took eleven seconds out of a take and the parts
of the take which are Steph Curry is an all
time great player. I believe Kevin durant Ay better overall
BASTL player, but an all time great player, but he is.
There is no such thing as a perfect basketball player.
Does not exist, does not exist. And my point yesterday

(01:07:44):
which is where I kind of agree with k D,
which is like, look, it's okay to point out k
D's flaws and that he does stop the basketball and
he's not. He's not. He wasn't a perfect fit for
how the Warriors used to play, and they did evolved
of playing somewhat his style and they had success doing it,
but it wasn't didn't always feel as good. But his

(01:08:07):
issue was like, look, you're gonna write about what I
do and don't do well. You never write about what
staff doesn't do well. Ever, ever, like you gotta gotta
some balance to you, which is even better because the
guy cuts up only the what he the negative doesn't give,
which only proves my point about the Steph Love affair.

(01:08:30):
Let's get to what Fox never a good idea to
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slash how to. This was Colin cow Hear talking about
Cede Lamb and the wide receiver prospects in the draft.
In the last five drafts, there have been seventeen for
round receivers. Fourteen of the seventeen are busts or of
under achieved. So one of these first round wide receivers
is not going to be as good as advertised. And
I'm telling you, Ceedee Lamb, it's not gonna be Jerry

(01:09:12):
Judy unless he goes to Jacksonville, then Hill under achief.
But if he goes anywhere else but Jacksonville, Jerry Judy
is gonna be the best receiver in the first round.
But what's funny about the draft is seventeen receivers first
round taking last five years, fourteen are busts or of underachieved.
And if I insinuate one of them could underachieve, I
don't know. What I'm talking about. Um. The bottom line

(01:09:36):
is Ceedee Lamb will be as good as the team
that he lands in. If he goes to Kansas City
with Andy Reid Schemes and Patrick Mahomes, Ceedee Lamb is
gonna be a star. If Jerry Judy, who is better,
goes to Jacksonville with Old Baker Mayfield, Clone Gardner Minshew
and whoever their nineteenth coach in thirty years is Uh,
then he won't be as good. You're gonna be as

(01:09:57):
good as a wide receiver as the system, the play caller,
and the coach you go to. Fasting the Jerry Judy
part is really interesting to me. I don't know about
Ceedee Lamb whether or not he would be as good
as advertised. Clearly a product of a great system at Oklahoma,
that doesn't mean he can't be great. Hollywood Brown came
out that same system, was more of a hot more

(01:10:17):
of a home run hitter, and had a very a
good rookie year played on a great team. Was he
an integral part? I think he was because he took
the top off a defense. But does that mean that
he was a perfect player? No? No, Like I don't
think Hollywood Brown at his peak is like Tyreek Hill
in terms of how dynamic he is. But the way

(01:10:38):
in which Lamar Jackson plays like he does through a
great deep ball and you have to have somebody open
up the middle of the field for you know, the
multiple tight ends, the three tight ends that they threw
to last year. Um. I saw NFL scouts say that
he thought Jerry Judy has the chance to be the
best pro of anybody in the draft. I think part

(01:11:02):
of what Colin is hitting on what he's what he's
getting and he realized it's really hard. There's a higher
hit rate with quarterbacks, right, fourteen out of seventeen based
upon his estimation, underachieved or our bust altogether. Right, there's
a higher hit rate and a higher misrate. Higher hit
rate on quarterbacks, higher misrate on But what what we're

(01:11:24):
evolving two in the NFL is the importance of positions
that command two people's attention or more. Think about who's
the most the most valuable players on a football field.
Wide receivers, because if you're really good, you you you
have a cornerback and a safety. If you're a defensive end,

(01:11:46):
you're gonna have to be double team or defense attacking
you double team to be a really really good quarterback,
obviously you occupy more than one guy. And if you
don't think that wide receivers are important, and I've heard
Colin he's mostly right about the best the superstar wide receivers,
you don't traditionally have to have one to win a

(01:12:07):
Super Bowl. Julio Jones and Atlanta Falcons could have won
a Super Bowl. Michael Thomas, there a couple of crazy
plays away from playing for a super Bowl. But still
I get what he's saying. On the other hand, if
wide receivers weren't integral and super important parts of an offense,
why are they being paid at a rate of twenty
million plus per year, whereas running back salaries Christian McCaffrey notwithstanding,

(01:12:31):
are are stable or even dropping. Quarterbacks, Wide receivers and
defensive ends and maybe offensive tackles, that's where the money is,
because that's where the importance is. Say if and and
here's another part to Jerry Jerry Judy. If Jerry Judy
is the best player in the draft, that doesn't speak

(01:12:52):
very highly of what people think about the upside of
a Joe Burrow or a to a Tugo Violoa right,
because those guys should have way more effect uh, way
more importance on an NFL team, shouldn't they what you
would think? Now? Look, I think Chase Young, mean, he

(01:13:14):
benefits f the fact that he's a dominant freak of
nature talent um, and I think Nick Bosa helps him
a lot. Joey Bosa helped Nick bo said, Nick Bosa
helps Chase Young, not just all from Ohio State, but
the level to which the level to which they have
affected their teams immediately when they got into the NFL.

(01:13:36):
I mean both even what the holdout was incredibly effective
right away and then Nick Bosa, he was the best
player in the field and Super Bowl for most of it.
We're in a really interesting time. Eventually, we're going to
come out of this. As sports fans and sports broadcasters
were wondering, like, what's the summer gonna look like? What's

(01:13:57):
the fall gonna look like? Well, it happens with college
football in the fall. I believe it will and has
to be played. I'll tell you why next in The
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Fox Sports Radio Quarantine Day number thirty one. I believe
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(01:14:41):
love this thing for like the first month, but now
you guys can go back to work. I have my
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dog takes he's got his He goes out. I take
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Then he's got his early morning nap and he hangs

(01:15:03):
out with the kids a little bit, they go to school.
He's got his mid morning nap. You know that he's
got his early afternoon nap. This is completely thrown off
his nap schedule. He wants to get us back. He
wants to get back to work. You more than our
president wants get back to work. Um, let me give
you some some comments from people in collegian sports. The

(01:15:24):
revenue from ticket sales and concessions, that's all significant, but
but we could figure that out. Your expenses get reduced.
On the other hand, where the revenue really comes from
athletics is the TV contract and distribution. That's really important.
That's from Michael Young to Sports Tools Trade. He's the
president of Texas A and m in Texas A and
m uh I saw this one from USA today. At

(01:15:50):
stake in college football is at least four point one
billion dollars in fiscal year revenue for the athletic departments
at at just the fifty public schools in the Power
five Conference. That's an average of seventy eight million dollars
per school. Well, that's more than six of these schools
combined total annual operating revenues based on the amounts report

(01:16:12):
for the two thousand nineteen fiscal year. These estimates do
not take into account potential impacts on student fees or
money from schools and general funds, which both would likely
be reduced if students cannot return to campus as usual
for the false semester. Even within Power five, there are
schools that receives significant amounts from these sources. You want
the translation, we're gonna have college football. We have to

(01:16:36):
have college football. Schools athletic departments cannot survive without it.
No college football, no college sports. And and you can say,
you know, college football, they've been profiting up the name
and likeness of kids for years. Okay, take away those

(01:16:59):
scholarships and you get to the core of at least
the intent of what college sports has been about, which
is providing higher education from people who normally couldn't get
an opportunity, couldn't get access to, let alone afford that
higher education. Colleges are harder and more expensive than they've

(01:17:22):
ever been to get into. And if you think that
not having college sports, wow, they they you know they've
been They've been profited off their name and likeness. Dude.
The whole thing, the whole system works for the greater good.

(01:17:44):
And college football, which has been discussed. I've had some
conversation with people who are high level college football. People said, like, look,
they're discussing at least the possibility of the spring. Problem
with the spring is now the sudden, it cannibalizes ring sports,
specifically college basketball, the n c A tournament. Could it

(01:18:04):
be done? Yeah? Yeah? Would that? Would that still fill
up the well we're not even talking about this. But
one of the things, and this is not part of
the calculation for the athletic directors, maybe more for the presidency,
is if you don't have college football with fans, what
do you do to the hotels, the restaurants, the bars
in these college towns, Like you're gonna die. Just no way,

(01:18:28):
There's just no way. But even if you have a
season with no fans in the stands, which is being discussed,
is a greater possibility, I think than having it just
in the spring. But even if you have that, um,
you're gonna have something because they're just too much money

(01:18:49):
at stake. And that money, Yes, do college coaches make
a college football head coach and make a ton of money, Sure,
but all of that money is spread around to create
all these athletic departments. Nothing, sir, vibes. If college football
doesn't have a season this year. Nothing. Let's check it
with Bruce Felban, who covers college football has done so
for years here on The Doug Otlip Show. Covers it

(01:19:10):
obviously for Fox Sports. He joined us Um and Bruce U. First,
what do you here like if they had to make
a decision today, If they had to make a decision today,
what would college football? What would happen with the college
football season? Doug, They're lucky they don't have to make
a decision today because I don't think anybody knows what

(01:19:32):
they would do. I don't think just strictly, you gotta
remember the the presidents of the universities are the ones
who are gonna have a big role in the decision
of the football coaches do not. Um, the athletic directors
really don't either, So right now you totally you talk
to conference commissioners and leadership in college football. I mean,

(01:19:53):
it's fancy to know this if they don't already is
this isn't like the NFL, or this isn't like the
nba A or Major League Baseball or p GA where
there's a commissioner or anything. There's not that leadership, you know,
you know, singular leadership in college football. It's not even
like college basketball or the n c A run the tournament.

(01:20:13):
You know, college football playoffs not run by the n
t A. So that makes it more muddled. Um. And
I think one thing that came from Vice President Mike
Penn's had a ad a call with the ten conference
commissioners and as well as the a DA of Notre
Dame Jack Swarbrick, and one of the things that really
had come out was that they explained to him, Uh,

(01:20:36):
if the schools don't come back or aren't back in session,
then they can't have games. And I think a lot
of people look at it and go, wait, a lot
of people take online classes, but the conference commissioners explained
that they can't. You know, they're not going to do
it that way. So it's really complicated. Um. Now, you know,

(01:20:58):
talking to people around the sport, I think you know,
they have kicked the tires on Well if this happens,
you know, like, what are the time frames of this?
You know? Is it possible that the season could get
delayed and maybe delayed to the point where it almost
runs when normally a back college basketball season runs. Who knows?
I mean, I think that's a possibility. I think the

(01:21:19):
point you made before though, because the money is so
uh monumental in college football with college football and how
it funds the rest of the athletic programs and so
much of the university really takes its its its finances
from that. Uh, they have to try to find a

(01:21:41):
way to get it in at some point during the
academic calendar. So even if it's you know, hypothetically drags
on into next spring, at least they would be able
to get the money going from the huge, you know,
billion dollar TV contract. Said whatnot? But you know, to say,

(01:22:02):
right now, what are they going to do? I mean,
who knows what this is gonna look like two months
from now, you know, ten weeks from now. I think
right now everybody is in such a weight and see
mode of where this is going, because um, there's no
easy answers to it because right now I don't think
they know that. There's so much uncertainty with Yeah, it's

(01:22:24):
the whole thing is fascinating. Now tell me if I'm wrong.
But colleges need to make a decision before example the NFL,
because again, as you pointed out, they I disagree with
the idea you can't all do online courses like you've
got four months. You can do online courses if you
have to, but don't they have to make a decision
sooner rather than later because it affects so many more

(01:22:45):
people than the NFL for example, where the NFL can
play a little bit more weight. And see, because right
now colleges have to set their budgets, their timeline, their meetings,
they're hiring everything. You know, people have to sign up
for their classes, all of these things. Don't they have
to decide soon rather than later. I don't. I think
they would have to reevaluate all the time on this.

(01:23:06):
I mean, I think the idea of working off the
traditional academic calendar and when these things are structured, I
think we're in such uncharted waters, and the money with
college football is so significant they will if they have
to make it up as they go along. I mean, take,
you know, take the scenario if it came to it
where it had to get pushed back into even November

(01:23:29):
where the season started, and the season wouldn't end then
until either February or even March. Um, you know what
does that look like as it relates to to football
players college le players trying to get ready for a
draft that would be in next bring. I just think
that that the decision makers would say, look, you know,
we have to get a season in at some point,

(01:23:51):
we're going to have to figure out everything else as
it relates to that, whether it's hey, we're gonna play
in some really cold leather places. Yeah, cold, and in
November in Minnesota and Michigan and a bunch of other places,
and it's way colder in February. But if there's no
other viable alternatives, and that's the thing that you know,

(01:24:12):
you talked to babes, you talked to two power brokers
around the sport, they'll come back to what really is
viable because we are in such uncharted waters right now
with health crisis and this is a pandemic and just
it's just very surreal right now. So I think to
think that they would say, hey, this is the time

(01:24:33):
frame we're working off of all that stuff I think
will be out the window and they'll just kind of,
I don't want, they make it up as they go along,
But that's what they're going to have to probably do,
because who knows what the next couple of months, how
how much this is going to change and hopefully it'll
hopefully I'll get better, but nobody really knows how how

(01:24:54):
the virus is going to react in the summer, or
you know what we're talking about, is it you know,
does it come back in a different way. I mean,
we just don't know. And and I think also it's like,
you know, we see different governors around the country are
handling it way differently. Yeah, the mayor of Las Vegas
once the once the quarantining h ended immediately right, there's

(01:25:16):
there's a coalition Midwest states that are trying to get
the quarantine lifted as well. Whereas now you have the
you have California and Oregon and Washington their governor's banning
together and you know, like to go like until it
is it's quickly becoming red versus blue, and and United
America suddenly getting back to being divided and maybe the

(01:25:37):
sort of business as usual. Bruce Alman our guests on
The Doug Galli Show a couple of quick college football questions.
J T. Daniels was a uh A much sought after
star quarterback at modern day High school. UH. Instead of
having a senior year, he went straight to USC and
was a starter at USC, got hurt, got beat out

(01:25:58):
by by Keating Slova. He put his name in the
transfer portal. Uh Are you surprised by this? A little
surprised at the timing. But my guess is that he
maybe thinks there's gonna be a one time transfer exemption
so he could be eligible when you know, he finds
a new school. I think a lot of people, if
you're around USC, I think it was gonna be hard

(01:26:19):
for him to beat out Keaton Sloanus. The crazy thing
is if you follow are like, wait, the one guy's
the three star, the other guy was a five star.
Anybody who watched Keaton Sloans last year and knows the
people who you know at USC knows how highly thought
of he is. And it's not to say J. T.
Daniels isn't a good quarterback, because he's definitely got a
good arm and and he had a you know, promising

(01:26:40):
first year there. It's just I think when they saw
how good the quarterback is there in Keaton Slovius, I
think it was gonna be an uphill battle for for J. T.
Daniels to overtake them. And I think he probably saw
the you know, the handwriting on the wall, and to
let me see if I can you know, if they
are going to do some kind of one time transfer exemption,
let me see make that decision now rather than then

(01:27:03):
get into a quarterback battle that you know, I'm probably
on a long shot to win. Yeah. I love the
idea of a transfer exemption. Most guys would use it
to say, Hey, I want to be closer to home
because I haven't been able to leave home. On the
other hand, J T. Daniels the closest school is USC
to his his home in Orange County. So there's a
there's a very interesting how that ends up playing out. Um. Uh,

(01:27:28):
Joe Burrow is going to be the number one overall pick.
How much do you think? And and look, we're seeing
the success of transfer quarterbacks throughout college football. Uh, college
basketball has reached kind of this peak transfer mode. Where
are we with college football in in comparison in terms
of the volume of transfers? Us, you know, Justin Fields

(01:27:49):
is gonna be a top pick on to next year. Um,
we saw Burrows this year three of the four quarterbacks. Um,
you know in the college football playoffs where transfers. How
is this all affected the college football landscape? Well? I
think it's it's a lot of stopping shop kind of
thing you can fill out needs. I mean, look, L
s U just got arguably the best free agent defensive

(01:28:10):
player who was on the tramp ser market, and that
was the guy named Jabral Cox, who a lot of
people who's an All American linebacker at North Dakota State,
which is obviously the powerhouse of all powerhouses, where they
win national titles every year. A lot of people thought
Jabral Cox has first or second round talent as a linebacker.
He was going to visit l s U and then

(01:28:30):
the quarantine happened. He never actually even got a chance
to visit l s U. But he committed and he's
he's set to go there now. And I think this
is an example of them looking, uh, you know, and say, hey,
where am I the best fit? Where can I go
somewhere making impact, you know, immediately, and also, uh play
at the highest level. And you know, I think in

(01:28:52):
the case of Cox, who again and this is a
guy probably could have gone anywhere, uh, and he was
playing at a national championship program. Saw people, here's an
opportunity that I think I can up my stock and
get to experience some stuff maybe I didn't get to
experience even though I was, you know, going from basically
one national title team to another. And I think that
is very um is very indicative of where we're at.

(01:29:14):
You know, l s U lost Patrick Queen, who probably
will be a first round pick. He was a guy
who mid season last year nobody probably thought was gonna
be leaving early, much less the first round pick. Patrick
Queen blows up as they go on the national title run.
And now here's a guy not just you know, they
lose two linebackers early, him and Jacob Phillips, and it's
like her, this is kind of the free agent market,

(01:29:35):
and I think that's you know, where the rosters are
so big, but also where the attrition happens a lot
in college football. UM, where where you know you may
you're not gonna wait on a on a recruit to
develop two years later. You can just if a kid's
out there and that kid knows who now knows where
the vacancies are, you can all of a sudden make

(01:29:55):
your recruiting pitch and maybe a kid you never even
thought of, you know, late in the year of now,
all of a sudden, he can be one of the
answers to your problems. Great stuff A lot. Last thing, Um,
if you haven't read the Bruce's book, you should pick
it up. It's really it's a fascinating look at at quarterbacks. Um,
how many I know it's available in what's called but

(01:30:18):
the QB I don't have. I have in front of me.
It's called it's called the qb um trend. Gilford says
that two is the best prospect he's ever ever worked with. Um,
this the to A thing. Um, how much of this
is you know, kind of confirmation bias whereas he was
this well regarded, he played well and people are not

(01:30:38):
willing to kind of adjust to what he may be
or how much of this is just the the the
actual evaluation of who Toa is, you know, I mean
the tour came out he he has a terrific arm.
He has a great feel and anticipation and all those things.
I think the only thing that probably somebody could ding
two or four because now at this point, you know
he's six ft or maybe six one ish. But now

(01:31:01):
it's like people don't get too hung up if you're
not six four or six five. I think the parts
where it's like if your medical people sign off on
to AH, there's a lot to like there. I mean,
just you talk to people at Alabama how they felt
about him as a as a locker room, presence, his
positive energy, all those things. I think certainly his time

(01:31:23):
under Trent, I mean trends is you know, in this
quarterback space, this is pretty rare that he's decided to
work with somebody leading up to the draft. I don't
think he's ever done that specifically little one guy, So
I think that that helps him. But you know, ultimately
it's like I would look at it at two and say,
you know, if you tell me he's he's going to

(01:31:43):
be healthy, because it's that's a that's a crapshoot on
any of these guys. I mean Jordan's loves, Justin Herbert,
Joe Burrow, any of them could get hurt in the NFL.
It's obviously a physical sport. But you know, as beyond
Joe Burrow, if you told me who would I who
would I bet on it? These guys I would bet
on two us because he's to me, the closest to
uh no brainer in terms of what he can do,

(01:32:05):
whereas the other guys are projections. I really like Justin Herbert,
but there's been some inconsistency and and there's some questions
Jordan's love has been, you know, wildly inconsistent sure when
he's played has been terrific, and he's played on a
big stage where he's taken everybody's biggest shot. Um, you know,
I know he did have a lot of talent. He

(01:32:25):
had way better receivers than than what Jordan's Love and
Justin Herbert had. But still, I mean he played against
really good defenses. I mean, I think there's a lot
to like there. I can see why, you know, so
many people are on board with him. The Quarterback is
the name of the book. You can pick it up
audio books, Kindle, of course, Amazon. I've I've actually read

(01:32:45):
it twice, really really interesting, some of it profiling George
Whitfield as the quarterback whisper. It's good stuff. It's authored
by Bruce Felman. Of course you see on Fox Sports
covering all college football. Bruce, thanks so much for your insight.
It's it's irreplaceable in the sports land cap escape. Thanks
so much. And stay safe always a pleasure. Stay safe,
all right, that's Bruce Felman joining us. Daniel Jeremiah loves
him as a prospect, loves him so much, so I said,

(01:33:08):
give me one guy who if his name is called
in the first round. Most of America might not know
about him, but he's a stud. That stud joins us. Next,
be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Jalen Johnson's

(01:33:29):
a fascinating prospect. Let me kind of explain why. Okay,
So he tore his labor in UH two thousand eighteen,
he played with it torn last year, and yet he
didn't play in the bowl game, and so he could
have his shoulder fixed in time that he could have
his own pro day. Right, So he goes and he

(01:33:52):
runs at the combine. He ran okay. It wasn't you know,
it wasn't a burner, but he ran okay. Got to
do the interviews. I think was expecting to have a
full pro day, and of course, you know, coronavirus changes everything.
Forty yard dashes four point five seconds, three point six
five a vertical leap uh hundred inches in the broad

(01:34:14):
jump cone drill seven point one seconds, in the twenty
yard shuttle four point one three seconds. So he did well,
but felt like you could have done better than the
forty got to be with all these teams. He's a
big raider guy, raider fan press coverage corner. But a
lot of where you're going to be drafted comes down
to the forty and obviously comes down to your strengths.

(01:34:34):
Got a lot really really long arms. He's only six
ft about. So here's a guy who on one hand
played hurt. He didn't have to play this year in
college football and still would have been eligible for the
draft and likely would have been a first round draft
pick or early second round draft pick. Instead, he plays
maybe not challenge as much, who's gonna throw the ball
his way? And then doesn't play in the bowl game

(01:34:55):
where he obviously could have started. You didn't have to
prepare for his pro day, but doesn't get to have
his pro day because of coronavirus. Best lay plans of
mice and men often go awry, So I think that's
I think it's gonna be an interesting waiting game to
see where he goes. No pro days really really change

(01:35:18):
some things, and he's a guy who could drop. Could
you know somebody could have seen when it been? All
depends where you when you see a guy as the
what impression that's made. Jalen Johnson joins us on The
Doug Gotler Show. Jillan You and Fresno or in Salt
Lake Norm right now, Um, what's this like for you?
As you know you're you're still rehabbing the shoulder, and
yeah you can't. I'm like, do you have a is

(01:35:39):
there a speakeasy Jim you're able to get into and workout? Um? No, coming,
I can't lift too many weights right now, So I
mean I'll just do a little homework out. Um to
do a lot of body weight stuff with my legs
and stuff like that, and right ride the bike, just
certain stuff like that. But majority of my exercises trying
to get my shoulter back right and rehab and then
suicod therapy. Uh, if if you could, if you could

(01:36:01):
go back and do it. I know you played hurt
all year and you know you didn't play in your
in the bowl game. Uh, would you go back it?
Like again, you didn't know coronavirus gonna shut everything down?
But if you knew what you knew, now, would you
play in the ball game? If you go back and
do it? Oh? No, because I mean that's still I
mean the coronavirus doesn't have any effect on my shoulder

(01:36:23):
being heard and me needing surgery and going through um
the combine. So I mean, I mean, I don't see
where the coronavirus would have made me want to play
in the game or change my decision, because I mean,
at didn't I did that so I can prepare for
the combine to be able to do all of that.
Um And I feel like, now it's coronavirus, it doesn't
do you have an effect on me because I did

(01:36:45):
everything after combine, So it's not like I didn't get
opportunity to do anything. I mean, I feel like my
decision was um smart, especially what happened though with the
whole epidemic and all that type of stuff. Sure, I mean,
you know you would have been able to have a
pro day, but that's only improve me maybe your forty time.
It's it's pretty crazy. Most of your most of your
athletics scores are good, Um the forty. I know you

(01:37:06):
would have liked to put up a four or four
or obviously maybe lower. Isn't it crazy? Like your whole
college career and the only shot somebody can take at
you is like, well, you're one hundred tenths of a
second slower than you wanted to be in the forty time.
That may be a reason, right, Like that's kind of
crazy when I think about it. I mean, I don't
know where that where that comes from, where that started at.

(01:37:28):
But I mean at the end of the day, I
feel like they know that those times aren't too far off.
There's a four eight or four four nine that's literally
a finger almost. If that so, I mean, it's I mean,
it's for them. I felt, is now about what you
can do on the field, how you can play and
if you can play or not. But I feel like
it's only a bad thing if you run too slow. Sure, sure, yeah,

(01:37:51):
there's no this thing. Nobody ever said like, man, I
ran too fast there Jillian Johnson joining us on The
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sport TRADEO. I I read
where you had it as a goal to get drafted
when you're in high school. Okay, when was like, look,
high school, everybody thinks they're gonna play maybe in college
or professionally. But was there an actual moment where you
wrote it down or you announced the people I'm gonna
be drafting the NFL. I'll say my junior year. Um

(01:38:16):
was when I figured out when I started getting offers
and then actually told multiple college coaches that and that
was one of my goals going into for one of
my decisions going into college. Who can who can help
me obtain my goal of going to the NFL and
give me a then opportunity to be able to build
myself as a player and have the person to give
myself the best opportunity to be able to succeed in

(01:38:38):
the NFL. That was something that I had in high school,
had my junior and senior year, So I mean that
was realistic for me during that time. Part. You said
that meeting the Raiders was an amazing moment. You met
a bunch of teams for twenty minutes at the combine.
Why why the why the Las Vegas Raiders. Why was
that such a big moment for you? Um? Other to

(01:39:00):
say John Browden, I thought that's a household name when
it comes to the NFL, and then Mike Mayock as well.
I feel like just just who they are and what
they mean to football and the impact that they have
had on the game. Um, I mean, that's pretty pretty
There were a nice amount of teams that also had
that kind of like that starstruck moment meeting Mike Tomlin

(01:39:20):
and the Steelers and everybody like that. So I mean, honestly,
it was I mean, it was just a real moment
to just even be in all of those wombs and
seeing the coaches um that I see on TV in
person and being able to talk to them. So, I mean,
the Raiders just was just an example I gave. But
I mean I was I was pretty much surprised and
um thrilled to talk to all the coaches. Yeah. Plus

(01:39:41):
President of Vegas is that I mean you could drive that,
your all your family and friends could drive that if
that happened. Plus the new stadium looks dope. Mike Thomlin
looks like the coolest dude in the room. Is he?
You said, what Mike tom Mike Tomlin feels like he
feels like it'd be he'd be cool, right, Like, Oh no,
for sure. He was real late with it. So, I
mean our whole conversation was easy. I didn't. I mean,

(01:40:04):
that would might have been the most relaxed one that
I had. And I mean he said up from the
beginning like, hey, you ain't It's not one of those
one of those meetings like you don't have to worry
about um being too being, like worried about being too
good in a sense and trying to um be all
worked up and stuff like that. I mean, it was
a real the last conversation, um, and then he gave

(01:40:24):
me conversation and I mean he talked back to me.
I wasn't doing all the talking, So I mean it
was a pretty engaging conversation. Gotam show, you're on Fox
Sport Trader Jail, I want you to know that Daniel Jeremiah.
When I asked him, I said, hey, man, give me
one guy who most of America may not have heard of.
But this guy would be a stud if your team
gets him in the first round. This is what he said.
I love jale and Johnson, the corner from Utah. I

(01:40:44):
think he's really tough, he plays fast, you can play
the football. Um, he just wasn't challenged this year, so
people say I need to make a ton of plays. Well,
he made so many the year before that people just
avoided him. Um, So to me, I think he's a
He's a really good football players that a lot of
people talk about. Pretty cool, right, That's Dan and Jeremiah
the NFL Network talking about you. How how do you

(01:41:05):
not let that get your head? Um? I mean, honestly,
it's I mean, for me, it's pretty easy. Just keep
doing my job and just keep trying to be better
at a player. I mean that sounds good, and I
mean I appreciate that, but I mean at the end
of the day, I still got the job to do
and I still have to get better. Um. So I
mean I just go to work, um every day to

(01:41:25):
try to improve some some point in my body, some
point of my my attitude, my i Q or whatever
it may be, to just be better. But I mean
that's just how I am. I always want to be better,
and I just want to be the best I can do. Uh.
You're you're a press corner, right, your man to man
get in somebody's face. You know, you've got long arms,
you got you know, big hands, and and that that's
what you do best. So I guess the question when

(01:41:47):
you have your labor and repaired, obviously you're talking about
your shoulder that hurts your ability to do anything upper
body with your shoulders, and so where are you in
the rehab process in terms of your ability to get
full range emotion to to to lift any sort of
weights with that shoulder. Um. I mean I haven't lifted weights.
I'm only six weeks out, but I mean I've just

(01:42:07):
been working on range of motion and being able to
move it. Um So, I mean I'm coming along pretty well. UM.
I still got a long way to go, but I mean,
I'm just gonna start um implementing some band words to
try to get some um interior strength in my shoulder.
You're trying to get those small muscles back activated and
moving around. But I'm not concerned about being strong enough

(01:42:30):
for being UM ready in that aspect because I know
my work ethic and I know how I train and
lift weights. Um So, I mean for me, it's just
about you just trying to get my legs back under
meath so when I do get the weight room hard,
when I'm able to, I'll be all in for Uh.
It's fascinating to me that, like I don't know, if
you know this, you're gonna be one of the few

(01:42:51):
guys who's gonna be able to go to your team's
facility right away. Because the only way you can get
a in a facility right now in the NFL is
if you're rehabing an injury and will be rehabbing injury.
So you're one of the few rookies that guys will
be able to meet with and fly or get you something,
find a way to get you there, and you actually
be able to stay there. You did you know that? No?
I didn't know that. That's news to me, But I

(01:43:11):
mean that that's great news from me in terms of
being able to get ahead of the curb, being in
the facility, being able to stop building those relationships with people,
and um, hopefully having access to the film wom was
well to be able to start learning the playbook and
watch the film, and um just starting to be better.
All right, But here's the big question. What they'll happen
against USC? Right there? Just throwing the ball up Slovis

(01:43:33):
was just throwing it up in the air. You guys
are playing so well. You just you had all those
injuries as well. How much did that burn inside you
that lost in the in the in the coliseum, in
the moment or just looking back at it, like looking
back at it now, because it was it wasn't it
was It felt like they were just throwing jump balls
more than anything. It wasn't like you guys were getting burned, right,
they're just throwing jump balls to Pittman, right. I mean,

(01:43:59):
looking back at it, I mean I feel like nothing
the loss was needed, but I thought that loss barked
a new flame in us to project this to the
season that we ended up having. Um. So, I mean
I wouldn't. I don't regret the loss, but I mean
I hate losing something it wasn't It wasn't a good feeling.
Um still knowing that that's how the game went. But
I mean, and then the day they made plays and

(01:44:20):
we didn't make the plays. I mean, that's what happened
in the game of football, especially with dbs and receivers.
Sometimes you want it, sometimes you lose. And I mean
that day he won more than we did. Yeah, you
guys had a hell of a team though in a
great run you know, unfortunately had you had to come
to it them. But look, man, can't wait to see
where you're drafted obviously, uh continued uh success on your
rehab with the shoulder. Can't wait to see where you

(01:44:42):
go next Thursday. And thanks so much for joining us
on Fox Sports Radio. Thank you going all right. Jillen Johnson,
who is just a stud cornerback right, just one of
those guys that you like. Put them on aside. You know,
if you're if your team plays man and he's going
to do his job, that's it. You know, it seems easy.
Probably the hardest job in sports, probably the hard shot, right,

(01:45:03):
because a lot like lot like with with like left tackle.
You know, you get burned once in a game, you
give up a touchdown. You get burned once at left tackle,
and you give up a sack could be a strip
second phone. Guess where Odell Beckham Jr. Is going? Find
out next. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter

(01:45:24):
noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio Whap Doug Gotli Show Fox Sports Radio. M Well,
was this a real story? I didn't ask Bruce about it.
Bruce sent me some Bruce Elbins isaac uh soapa oga.
He benched seventy four times. He didn't stop because he

(01:45:49):
was sore. He stopped as he was bored. Just just
a two five. So that's what they do in the
bench press, getting ready for the NFL Draft. I was
I was, I was strong in college and um, you
know by in comparison, a little fell um six ft tall,
relatively long arms, but not like crazy long arms, right,
I think I think fourteen was the most. Like a

(01:46:12):
bench press two seventy four times is insane. I couldn't
do the bar, which is forty five pounds seventy four times.
I guarantee none of you could do the bar seventy
four times. No way, that is so crazy strong. That's
seventy four times. I couldn't do seventy four push ups.

(01:46:32):
That's your body weight seven four push but the bar
is not even your body weights forty pounds. I bet
you couldn't do it seventy four times. Holy crap, Holy,
let's get to the breath. The press buyer Dan by

(01:46:53):
what he got, Doug this news just in NFL network
see and rapp reports saying that von Miller tested positive
for coronavirus. When we get tested positive, now you're like, wait, okay, coronavirus. Alright,
So he's the second player. Last night, we have the
first players, second player, get well, get well von Miller?
Really so yeah, Ian Rappaport, adding that uh he finds Yeah,

(01:47:14):
he's home, resting in good spirits. And plans to speak
publicly tomorrow. We'll get to some other NFL news at
a sect, but first, the Athletics, as Major League Baseball
owners may ask the players Association for players to take
salary reductions if they play a shortened season and empty stadiums.
There was an agreement basically they made in March doug
and in the CBA there was something about shortened seasons already.

(01:47:36):
The question now is is if the owners will want
the players to take more of a cut because fans
won't be allowed. That seems to be the big sticking factor.
M Yeah, you're gonna have take cut. I mean, that's
just it's really hard. I mean, um, I think everything
would be negotiation. I do think that we're getting closer
and closer to having some sort of sports a right,

(01:47:57):
we need some good news. Even though the fatalities are
still at record numbers, it seems to be at least
some sort of light far off. And then the tunnel.
You had this yesterday with Mary Kay Cabot, but now
Brown's chief strategy officer Paul die Podesta calling the Odell
Beckham Jr. Trade reports quote totally false end quote, telling

(01:48:19):
reporters that in a conference call slex Rem Mark Blusas,
who had the story, does look like it was he
did not have the greatest source. But we'll see. We
we don't know it was discussed, and you know, in
fairness to Mark and in fairness really to everybody, we've
had plenty of denials. Remember, Cam Newton was definitely gonna
be a member of the Carolina Panthers until he wasn't.
Here's Texans, said coach Bill O'Brien, who was asked today

(01:48:41):
if he spoke with Deshaun Watson prior to trading DeAndre
Hopkins to Arizona, any conversation like that, With all due
respect that I keep between myself and the player, I
will say that we've communicated a lot with DeShawn during
this time. You know, he's That's a yes that say
yes with his new teammates that I would have with

(01:49:04):
the player relative to those types of things, I'd just
like to keep that in the house. I'm not gonna
say if I talked to Deshaun Watson, but you're damn right,
I talked to Deshaun Watson, right, Yes, yes, Uh. The
wind totals for the NFL and twenty r n Caesar
saying right now that the number for the Ravens and Chiefs,
the two highest, are at twelve. The Buccaneers are at nine. Patriots,

(01:49:26):
they're projected wind total or at least the odds in
Vegas eight and a half. I would take the under
on the Ravens only that I think that division is
gonna be much better. You know, he didn't have Big
Ben and and I think Cleveland will be better. I
take the under on the Ravens because Ravens won't be good,
and that's suppressed. Back get out. They're impressed. Danna, Jeremiah Marrow,
Joel Clad Tomorrow, should be should be a great show.

(01:49:48):
John Middlecoll John middlecof tomorrow. This is Doug Doug out
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