1st Round NFL Draft Reaction!

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to Friday's podcast, you boy, Doug Gottlieb. Here we have
some first round draft picks that will join us, like
Henry Ruggs is gonna be our guest. Pro Football Focus
will join us. Um John Middlecoff got a nice discussion there,
but let's start with the Green Bay Packers, Boom one
of America. Doug got Leave Show, Fox Sparts Radio. I
on a Friday. Oh what a Friday, Lammy Tunsel just

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got paid. Just get paid Friday night. I hope you're
having a good day. Obviously, we're coming off of Day
one of the NFL Draft, which means Day two is
upon us. Uh that Now, when you get to kind
of the meat of the draft, man, we got a
lot of good stuff for you, A ton a ton

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of of good things for you. Um. I do want
to start here with with something that that I think
is probably the most discussed draft pick of the first round.
It's interesting because I like what the Dolphins have done,
and I like what the Chargers have done. I get
what the Bengals did. You know, they stuck to the script.

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They felt like they had the number one guy, the
number one quarterback, and they they began their rebuilding around him.
There's a lot going on there. I want to talk
about what the Cowboys have done. I think the Vikings
were sneaky good. There's a bunch of stuff to talk about,
but um, let's start with the Packers. Something happened that

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we told you could happen, We told you why it
could happen, and it played out just as we thought
it might. Here's Brian Gonnacus, who's the general manager of
the Green Bay Packers, talking about their decision to draft
Jordan's love. You know, he's obviously been through this. You
know he's a pro, and I think it's, uh, you know,

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it's certainly this is something that is a long term decision.
I'm thinking when you go through kind of the way
things went tonight, you kind of your way in the
short term and the long term, and we've got the
best quarterback in the National Football League and we're pointing
to having for a while competing for championships. So I
can understand, you know, the fan base and people thinking
kind of why would you do this at this time,
But I just think the value of our board and

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the way it's at it was the best includeen Bay Packers.
We're really excited to get Jordan's here and get him
into our system. Okay, so um, you tell me where
that where the lie is? Now? You tell me where
the lies this idea that, And I heard Colin Calharda
they're not showing him the proper amount of respect. They've
paid Aaron Rodgers more money than anyone in the history

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of the sport in sports, that's what kind of what
respect is about, right, how much are you getting paid?
When he had a beef with his head coach and
he didn't think his head coach was doing enough, they
fired the head coach. The coach that they hired was
an offensive mind assistant. Granted was from a different style

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of different system and something he didn't have a relationship with.
But let's not kid ourselves and think they didn't do
so to get the best out of Aaron Rodgers. Okay,
so in terms of respect would page more than anybody else.
We're not cutting you. What's the big story? Well, you
didn't get him another weapon. How do you know that?

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How do we know who the Green Bay Packers are
going to select in the rest of the NFL Draft,
and then of course the unsigned free agents and the
potential for other movement in the league. They won thirteen
games last year, they got to the NFC Championship Game,
and they want to get better. But Aaron Rodgers has
been banged up throughout his career, multiple collarbone injuries. He's

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had some other injuries as well. He is thirty five
years old, and at some point his contract will expire
and they will not get a free agent quarterback, right
like the best possible free agent quarterbacks. Now you've got
Tom Brady, who's in his forties. A guy like Tom
Brady would have gone to Green Bay. Kirk Cousins, that
was actually a good free agent signing for the Minnesota Vikings.

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Think how you think of Kirk Cousins. You're either going
to get a disc you want to get a disgruntled
former star Jameis Winston cam Newton asked, or you gotta
take a shot on a young guy in the draft,
which is what they did. Compound that with the fact
nobody wants to come to green Bay and no one
wants to come to green Bay to replace Aaron You

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want to be the next guy after Aaron Rodgers? No,
thank you, no thank you. It it took Aaron Rodgers
being an all time grade. And remember Aaron Rodgers first year,
it wasn't his all. They were bad, okay, but they
were bad his first year. And Brett Farve to start
the year with the Jets. They started out nine and three,
and they were like, man, what are we doing here?

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If Aaron Rodgers wasn't an all time great, which he is,
we'd still be yearning for the days of Red Farve.
Nobody wants to come and replace him. The only way
to do so is have somebody started underneath them. And
of all the guys who know what it's like to
be Jordan's love, you've got Aaron Rodgers, who at the
exact same age, the exact same time, had to do

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what Jordan loves. Gonna do doesn't mean it's gonna work
out as perfectly as it did. No I have no
idea how it works out. Best case scenario for Aaron
Rodgers is he plays great and when when Jordan Loves
contracts had to expire after the fourth or fifth year,
they trade Jordan's Love because they know he's good and

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get another first which they would use to take another quarterback.
So he may be net mad now, But ask yourself this,
If there are so many great wide receivers at that
point in the draft, how come none of them went
after Jordan's Love was taken. It's not a tight end
heavy draft. And yeah, they're running backs that are mostly
gonna go early in the second round one. This doesn't

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doesn't mean the Packers can't select a second rounder or
they can't move up and take another second rounder. But
they also already have a really good young running back.
Could they have added to the defense, Sure, But the
fact is that the complaining from people, and frankly from
Aaron Rodgers, is over not adding a skilled position player,
something they haven't done since they drafted Aaron Rodgers in

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the first round. Who just won the Super Bowl? Who
won the Super Bowl? Who is the who are the
Super Bowl champions? It's the Kansas City Chiefs. How did
they get Pat Mahomes, Well, they moved up in the draft.
They took Mahomes, who was a guy who was talented
but not terribly refined, needed some work. He sat sixteen

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of the seven team games his rookie year, his second years,
the first time as a full time starter. He's MVP
of the league. Is Jordan's love Pat Mahomes. No are
they gonna replace Aaron Rodgers in one year? No, But
in their perfect scenario, Rogers place out the next three
years and then maybe four years, and then maybe what

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if Rogers gets hurt? Try to think of what the
Miami Dolphins have done, have gone through, have now taken on.
The Miami Dolphins just day took to a uh tongue
of Violoa. Now, by my estimation, to a would have
gone ahead of Justin Herbert on everybody's board, including the Chargers.
But they did sign up for two of knowing he

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is injury prone and a major injury risk, and he's
not a great athlete. But they moved heaven and earth
because for the last twenty years they've been trying to
find the next Damn Marino. Look at what just happened
to the Patriots. They had the guy, they had guys
sitting back behind them, they trade him for picks. And
by the way, you shouldn't have trade By the way,

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no one has said you shouldn't have drafted Jimmy Garoppolo. Honestly, here,
here's a funny one. How many people have sat there
and go, you know that they had a chance of
Lamar Jackson, thought about drafting Lamar Jackson, chose not to
draft Lamar Jackson. Why couldn't they had they drafted Lamar Jackson,
would you've been This is slap in the face to
Tom Brady. The fact is the Packers are copying what's

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allowed the Packers to maintain a level of success over
the past twenty plus years, having a star quarterback and
drafting potentially his error apparent. And oh yeah, by the way,
as long as as long as Aaron Rodgers is healthy,
they're gonna be above plus win team. And if that happens,

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guess what they won't be doing drafting early in the
draft and have a chance to draft one of the
next star quarterbacks. This is the best possible scenario. And
then here's the here's one last part. Some guys play
better when they're feeling the love. Some guys play better

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when things are a little bit disheveled. Some guys play
better when they're piste off. Right, they're ticked off. That's
Aaron Rodgers. One of the big motivators for this amount
of success and the ability to continue to try and
be successful is Aaron Rodgers doesn't have a chip on

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his shoulder. He's got a whole bag of Doritos. And
so Aaron Rodgers mad. Yeah, all right, he's mad. Guess
what he can't do, can't go anywhere else. I guess what.
He has been paid more money than everybody else. And
if he's a little bit mad, and it ticks him
off and makes him play a little bit better to
stick it to the man. I don't see who the

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loss is fifty three guys on a roster. If your
quarterback is a little bit miffed, don't worry. That same
quarterback would be miffed if you took a quarterback in
the second, third, fourth, fifth, six, or seventh round. That's
a fact. When Peyton Manning was an Indie, he would
call the front office anytime they would draft a quarterback.
Who's this guy? Philip Rivers? The same They all do it.

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They all do it. So maybe Aaron Rodgers isn't happy,
but he's at least been through this before now that
the shoe is on the other foot. And oh yeah,
by the way, the Packers have not eliminated themselves from
drafting a wide receiver or a tight end in today
or tomorrow's NFL draft. Meanwhile, their overall roster just got deeper.

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They got a developmental quarterback who if in fact he
does become what people think he could become, it'll be
just about the time where Aaron Rodgers is getting over
the hill. We've told you all year long that this
feels like a team closer to building to winning twelve
to fourteen games every year than they are. Too. They're
not at the end of the run. And maybe to

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you that says, well, they should have drafted te Higgins. Okay,
if te Higgins was so good, how come the other
seven teams that drafted after him didn't draft Tea Higgins.
And by the way, it doesn't mean they can't trade
up and draft Tea Higgins today or any wide receiver
that you like. I get it the Packers, and it

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wasn't There was nothing deceptive. They were talking openly to
these tea, to these players, and trying to get a
good feel for all the quarterbacks just in case this
scenario happened, and one of the most talented but unpolished
quarterbacks just so happened to fall to them, and they
took advantage of it in a very, very very eerie,

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eerily similar way to which they took advantage to Aaron Rodgers,
who was a better player in college and thought to
go number one overall, but he was sitting there just
about the same draft pick. If the only guy who's
unhappy is Aaron Rodgers, and Aaron Rodgers is well compensated
under contract for a couple more years, and he plays
better when he's ticked off, what is in fact the

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issue covered up? Next two, it goes to Miami. Justin
Herbert goes to the Chargers. Well, I think both are
in a perfect situation. That's next. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app So, Justin Herbert goes

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to the Chargers. After to a t Aboula goes to
the to the Miami Dolphins, and I think this is fashionating.
You know, the Miami Dolphins. You go back a year ago,
set forth on a plan to remake themselves and hopefully
have to as their quarterback. Now along the way, they

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took a look at Josh Rosen and he wasn't good enough.
Ryan Fitzpatcher one of a couple too many games. They
trade away Laramie Tounsil, who just got the biggest contract
ever given to a left tackle, with fifty eight million
dollars and guaranteed money. So there's a reason that they
traded him away, save a save a ton of cash.
And now of a sudden, they get Tonsil's replacement. They

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get their defense younger and better. And when you look
at to uh look, you go in with both eyes open.
He's a he's a pocket passer. He's a kind of
classic Drew Berries esque pocket passer. It's very very accurate,
knows what he's doing. But you hold your breath anytime

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he goes out there because he's been so injured. On
the other hand, you give him a chance to get
fully healthy and fully up to speed because you've got
a prose pro like Ryan Fitzpatrick as your starter and
just you're just you aware, like, yes, Fitzpatrick wants to start, okay,
but he's been through this before. People forget that when
Carson Palmer was drafted, Carson Palmer's traffic I believe fits

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was his starter that one year that Carson sat for
a year. So you have a good young head coach
that has now a year of experience under his belt,
a good solid front office has putting their pieces in place.
They're building the offense around to a protecting to it
before he gets out there, and he'll have time to
learn how to protect himself. I think it all makes

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sense for for the Chargers. You know. Look, here's the
deal with the Chargers. Trod Taylor is still their quarterback.
Justin Herbert eventually will be their quarterback, but they didn't
draft one that they need to play at this very moment.
And the things that Philip Rivers didn't have athleticism Herbert has.

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Herbert is a much better athlete than to a and
while he could can be a little bit stiff and
a little bit rigid, he's much more of the traditional
the true twenty one century quarterback is big, strong and
athletic and can move in and around the pocket. Run
play action office, you know, a office, stretch play and

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be able to move. That's what he can do. They
got an incredibly talented roster. They're going in a new stadium.
But the Chargers have always kind of been a little
bit under the radar. They're they're gonna have a dynamic defense.
They Drace drafted uh. They drafted a linebacker who they
believed to be a top ten pick. They moved up
to get one. You have two dynamic pass rushers, arguably

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the best defensive player in the a f C and
Derwin James, loaded with wide receiving talent, tight end town,
et cetera. And you get a quarterback who can learn
from Tyrod Taylor, who knows his head coach and has
been through this process before of being the starter eventually
handing it off to the young guy. So much of
your success. And we talked to Brandon Weeden yesterday, who

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obviously wasn't a success, wasn't a success with the Cleveland Browns.
He's like, look, so much of it's about fit. They
have to know you, you have to know them. And
if you think there were hesitations over justin Herbert, there
probably were. But the charge is coaching staff got to
coach him at the Senior Bowl. That gives you some
knowledge of they're going in with both eyes open. The

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Dolphins wanted to of for a year. They know what
they're getting. They know his flaws. They know he can
be banged up. They know he can get tracked down
by a defensive lineman in in the SEC, and that
can happen obviously in the NFL. But they know his strengths.
When when you know somebody's strengths and somebody's weaknesses and
you're willing to accept them, you have a much better
chance of having a long lasting and successful relationship. Be

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sure to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific. Mark Sanchez
joins us here on The Doug Gotlip Show. Showtime Sports
has teamed up with Mark Sanchez for this new incredible
digital series in depth conversation with the top three quarterbacks
in the NFL Draft. So that's to h Herbert and
Jordan's Love. That's gonna be on Showtime Sports YouTube channel

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and Mark joins us, Mark, thanks so much. I mean,
obviously we're talking about the Seahawks and uh, their head
coach Pete Carroll was was your head coach, and you
know he famously said, oh you know that that not
not ready yet. What was what was your experience? Like,
what do you remember about draft night? Oh? Man, it
was well wind of emotions and pardon me in advance
if I have to go change down my little man.

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I gotta key old running around the house. So it
makes things fun, especially when you're doing interviews. But let's
see we the night before that, you know, informous press conference,
like coach you know, uh says, you know, I don't
want Mark to leave, and I don't think it's a
good idea, and he disagrees with my decision. What people
don't know is that night before he was in my
apartment still about two in the morning, and we're eating

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in and out Burgers, talking about everything under the sign,
about football, the NFL, college, our families, different stuff. And
at the end of the night he was just like, listen,
I know, I know you're set on what you want
to do. I just I don't agree with you, and
you know I have some numbers to prove my point,
but you know, I still support you. It's not like

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I don't like you. Any and so I said, yeah,
I understand. And so the next day when he said that,
I had already known what was going to happen, but
it just came off so poorly and was received so
poorly publicly. And then there's this picture in l A
Times where they caught us like passing each other after
we had already like shaking hands or giving each other
hug or whatever, and it just looks like where this

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is a strange, you know, divorced couple or something. And
so it took on a whole new lots and unfortunately
it made Coach look bad and it looked like, oh,
you know, it's because doesn't him or whatever. And I
remember him calling me that that same day after the
press comment was like, holy god, I didn't. I didn't
mean for it to go that way. I just simply
wanted to explain that I disagree with you, but you
know you're a good kid and we love you. Yeah,

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I get it. Listen. Most important question, what's your intern
out order? Oh? I usually go double double right now,
quarantine orders fily three days of me because I'm just
getting way too big and uh, let's see, I'll go.
Do you ever get the cut? Chilies. It's like a
secret menu item they have, like the peppuccini's or whatever,
and the up in the burger give a little kick.

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It is awesome. So but but what's the what's the
slang for it? Do I have to say cut chilies
or what? You could just tell them to add the chilies,
cut chili slice stillings. But I don't know what you're
talking about. Yes, insider, I know this, this is this
is a bit. Hold. I'm writing this down. I'm currently
in Newport Beach. That that we I have not had
it in and out all weeks, so this is you know.

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I was thinking about carne a soda for dinner tonight,
but I may I'll go in and out this weekend. Okay,
we're going grilled onions or no grilled onions. Yeah, just
telling animal style cut chilies, animal style cut chili's, uh
of course, and of course fries. People I like that.
Don't do the animal style fries. I just eat my
burger without the paper around it and let it all

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drip on the side, so it's like a giant version
of the animal style fries. I like it. Mark Sanchez
professional in and out Orderer College UH football analyst and
of course uh former star quarterback with the New York
Jets when the two AFC chan games joined us on
the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sport TRADEO. I think
one of the big questions about you coming out was

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not how good you were, but you didn't have a
ton of experience in college because you're buried. But you know,
USC at the time was so loaded. I think it's
like fourteen games you played and then you started basically
right away with with the Jets. What was that like?
What what is this now? Obviously it's very different for
the three guys you've interviewed, UM, because we don't we're
not gonna have rookie minicamp, probably don't have O, T, A. S.

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You don't have, and so that the chance of them
really being successful might be minimized. And and and look
all three of them right now. We'll see what happens
in Cincinnati, UM with with Burrow, but but all four
of those quarterbacks have a veteran already there, so they
probably don't play. What's it like to go from fairly
inexperienced college starting quarterback first round pick to starting with

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the Jets like that? That period of time. What's that like?
Listen for all four of those guys, I think if
anybody was ready, uh to step in and play right away,
I would have said, that's Burrow just because of his
experience and how many throws and how many reps he's gone,
like real live reps in games in the SEC. And
it reminds me a lot of Matt Stafford and how

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seasons he was coming out of the draft, where someone
like me when we played sixteen games, that reminds me
more of like Jorgan lows Um or. You know, Tua
and Herbert have much more experience. They have that Stafford experience,
but with Herbert's been a little more inconsistent at times.
You wanted to see some bigger moments. You wanted to

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see him, you know, just take over a game kind
of thing. And you know, you can argue either way
whether he has or has not done that, but for him,
it wouldn't hurt to see somebody else, especially like you said,
when you don't have an off season like this, to
step in and play is tough, man, It is really
really tough. And what would have been probably potentially better

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for my career maybe yeah, to sit and watch look
at Aaron Rodgers, look at Carson Palmer, look at Patrick Mahomes.
Got to sit behind Alex Smith. Really um he he
he handled his interception habit from college that he came
into the league with because he sat behind Alex Smith
for an entire year. One of the best guys are
taking care of the football, one of the best guys

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that understanding how your reads and your feet tie into
your progressions and timing and going through those progressions, how
that all ties together. And he got to watch somebody
who was really good at it for an entire year,
and that's really important for these young guys. That is paramount.
So I would say, for two, it's just physically give
him a year, let him mannate, let him watch, let
him learn from Fitzpatrick, a guy who's been all around

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the league, and let him see what he does well,
what he doesn't do so well, and then give a
chance for him completely healthy when you know for a
fact that hip is healed and he's ready to go.
But unfortunately, in this wind now, the way the NFL
is and the way people are gonna be starving to
the young players to play, you know, the charters, they're
gonna have pressure with a new stadium, new hot shot,

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corner back out of the pack, twelve West Coast kids,
they're gonna want to see him play. So as long
as they don't succumb to that pressure that you have
the potential to let this kid marinate, take him out
of the oven at the right song, and then cut
loose anything with Jordan's love. He's got the best situation
in the world in my opinion. Aaron Rodgers went through
the exact same thing, literally exact same thing, same age,

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and and and everything, and and Aaron Rodgers was Aaron
Rodgers wasn't crazy experienced either, right duco And then two
years ago and and not Aaron Rodgers fault that he
got drafted. He's just working his ass off and trying
to get drafted. So it's not Jordan Luft's fault, you know.
So hopefully you know Aaron's learned from that situation and
he can help that young kid without obviously giving up

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his job. There's no doubt Aaron Rodgers starter, and he
should be as long as he wants to be. Um,
there's nothing wrong with helping that young kid. Your first
start was Houston on the road. What do you remember?
I remember we had some crazy third downs. Um. I
remember I threw garbage interception and we had a we
had a shutout through an interception in our own territory.

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Today I think they got a field goal or sport maybe.
So Rex really wanted to shut out in his first
in his first outing, so he was all this um.
But it was it was incredible. Just I got to
talk to Joe Nama before the game. I remember being
so nervous. I forgot I forgot to state my ankles.
We're like midway through the first quarter. I was like, god,
I totally forgotten. I opened up my thought. I was like,

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dang it. So I ran over the train. I got
him taped on the sideline. I mean, just a little
stuff like that. You're there's so many butterflies and excitement.
My high school coach was there, who had, you know,
tutored me as a quarterback coach for a long time.
He made the trip out from California and watched me.
And my whole family was there, So it was It's
an incredible experience. And listen, I wouldn't change anything that

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I went through, but if I could advise these young
kids understand their hungry to play I understand that I'm trumpet.
It's a bit to get on the field and and
continue as a starter. But I to give him any advice,
So I would just say, hey, listen, then there's nothing
wrong with watching somebody do it for a little bit,
getting your bearings and then jumping in the fire. Now
you only had you only had Kellen Clemens there, and
he was he was the second round pick, and he

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and he was a little bit older than you, but
not much older than you. Um and and a little
bit like Tyrod Taylor. Yeah, situation for Herbert similar. You know,
a guy with experience, he's played I've been in it,
but not you know, like crazy established starter necessarily you
you late in your career when you're with the Bears.

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There's that famous clip. I don't know if you've seen
it where uh, where you're giving him a little pep
talk in the snow before he's right right? Was it
no bad reads? What was it? Do you remember the quote?
It was one the game day that you don't make
anything up. There's no new there's no magic potion, there's
no new reads, there's no new footwork. Nothing changes that then,

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and it's a reminder of there's different ways to say it. Right,
You don't rise to the occasion. Nobody rises to the occasion.
You sink to the level of training. Coach Kelly used
to tell us that all the time. Um, you know
there's people always say that, well, you know, in big moments,
big time players come through, Well, that's what they do.
They've been doing that forever. The moment on the outside
is different. The circumstances might be different, but that's who

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they are. And um, so it was just it's always
a reminder that you're not gonna make anything up today
that's gonna suddenly win the game. What's what's gonna win
the game is your fundamentals foot gray reads and completing
the football. That's it. And you know, as I did
it in a grooten voice, just to change it out,
just to mess with them a little bit. But he,

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you know, he loves that kind of stuff. And that's
the way. That's the way I talked to these young
guys in this three part series, because I broke the
ice immediately reminding them that hey, man, I've been in
your shoes. I know everybody's like fighting for a PC
right now, whether it's you know, both headphones or Adida's
footwear or whatever. I'm not that guy. I don't need
anything from you. I don't want anything from you except

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to watch you play well on Sundays. So I'll give
you everything I got as long as you want to
work hard in the film session, let's do it. And
they were all very receptive, so that makes it fun.
What's that? How? How are you able to do that?
Because like, look, everybody's got an ego, you know, and
people can say whatever they want about your career. Like, dude,
you played in two a f C championship games, Okay,

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like you know, you made plays and you won football games.
Like look your your second game, whether or not people
thought you put up great set your second game as
the starter, your beat the New England Patriots. Okay, that
that did happen back when Rex Ryan's team was the
net was was that that bug that would constantly? But
you know the can't wait Jets for the Patriots? You
were you were the quarterback. But to go from there

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to then being the the old head backup, like when
you're in Dallas das year DA's first year, what's what's
that like? For? What's that like for you? I got
a great story for you when we were lacing up
our cleats and Hunt goes out to the kid. I
know his brother passed away, so I'm just I'm I
don't even want to text him. I love him so

(27:58):
much and I just want to get him to space.
But um, you know, if he does hear this, I
love him to death and and I'm sorry about his loss,
but he Um. He became one of my favorite people,
one of my favorite quarterbacks because he uh, he's considerably
younger than me, and I became, like you said, that
old head veteran guy. We're lacing up our cleets in
getting ready during bye week in Dallas to play Green Bay,

(28:21):
where Dac essentially leaves the team down the field. There's
a clip of me smacking him on the head after
his drive, and I hit him so hard I thought
I almost broke my thumb because I hit his home
at soudaying hard. But I remember during then Aaron Rodgers
obviously pulls out that miracle and beat beats us in
the playoffs. Well, that week we came up to it.

(28:42):
Dac and I are sitting there lacing up our cleets
for like a Wednesday by week practice where it's just
kind of a walk through and kind of deal. And
he goes, now, none of I was like in elementary
school or maybe junior high. But when you were playing
with the Jets, that's the thanks a lot. And he goes, no, man, like,

(29:03):
you're really good. You guys had some good teams. You
played pretty long. Man, he played a lot of playoff games.
He said, yeah, dude. I just kind of looked at
him like, yeah, he goes, Man, that's crazy. I said,
I guess, thanks a lot. So I felt like the
whole year. I'm like, the whole year, you didn't know like, okay, great.
Literally literally were literally anything that I was teaching you right,

(29:26):
Literally you were just that other white guy that was
in the room that wasn't wasn't Romo right that It
was like, wow, thanks, so humanizing and that's who he is.
I mean, he doesn't care about stuff like that. He
just wants the ball. And that's why I loved it
so much. What was that like when Tony handed the
throne to him, that was a that's a that's a

(29:48):
big moment. When he said Tony famous said football is
a meritocracy. This is his team. You were the backup there.
You were you were there? Then what was that like?
Oh man, it's uh. I mean, it's a change into
the guard. It's the passing of the torch, and you
can do it in a lot of different ways, and
Tony did it in that press conference in a very

(30:09):
mature and professional way. And I know that you know
that hurts. That hurts having to do that. It hurts
knowing that your time there's is over, and especially after
everything he gave to that team. And so that was
that's something that's very difficult and um, but I think
you handled it, you know, in that scenario in that

(30:30):
press conference appropriately. Um. Yeah, that's Uh, that's a tough one. Man.
That's that's never fun for anybody. No, it's not. Um
what last last thing? And I know you gotta go.
We do to Showtime Sports has teamed up with Mark
Sanchez kind of spend some time with this. So you
sit down with two uh, with Herbert, with with with
Jordan's You told them, you told us that, you told them,

(30:52):
you know, I've I've been in your been in your shoes. Um,
but but is which one of these three are you
most confident he's going to make it? Oh gosh, you're
telling me, Doug, listen, I think with the proper wait time,

(31:14):
these could be three of the top quarterbacks we're talking
about for a long time. And that's an easy statement
to say. I love them all right, but I really do.
I think Herbert can use the time in a huge
market to figure out who he wants to be. To
watch somebody like Tyrod who's been around the league for
a while and gleaned from him, you know, the right

(31:34):
things to do, the wrong things to do. He's the
most like year. He's the most he not look he
played a lot more in college and you did, but
he's the most like you right where he's He's a
really good athlete, big market wise, But I mean you
talked about a physical specimen. This kid is huge. I
mean he's six six, all of six six, and he
ran stub four seven around. So this dude is like

(31:56):
lapping me in the mile. It's not even close. He's
a freak and the ball jumps out of his hand.
But same thing with love. This kid's all of six
three plus and the ball jumps out of his hand.
He does some Patrick Mahomes type stuff, and we see
it on his film. I showed in these episodes and
you're you look at him and you're like, whoa where
does that come from? The same thing with two of

(32:18):
the way he processes the ball jumps out of his hand,
He's twitchy, He's is so instinctive he can almost he
has a hard time articulating what exactly he did and
how he processed to make the place he made. He's
so instinctive, and that's crazy. I've never been around somebody
like that, and I've been around a lot of quarterbacks.
So it was these three are impressive, and they all
have those traits, But now it's how are you going

(32:39):
to handle him? Are you gonna keep the coaching stuff
the same? Are you gonna try and build the team
around this guy? Is every decision you make in this
franchise made with the intention of this quarterback to succeed.
If it isn't, don't do it. That's that's my only
advice to to everybody who dressed him. I'm gonna get
killed by producer. I gotta ask you one more. I
think burrows rise. He he hasn't even identified it. It's

(33:03):
so much of it. This sports is about confidence, right,
as you said, Like all these guys can throw All
these guys can can make plays, but it's about confidence.
And I would and you tell me if I'm wrong,
But I think a good portion of your career what
happened was you people didn't have confidence in you, and
then at some point in time you lost confidence in
your own game. You see the same thing happening in Chicago.
I think with with Rabiskia at times, how do you?

(33:25):
How does how does the best maintain that confidence? What's
what was the flaw? Maybe that all allowed you lose
your confidence? I think a lot of it is between
the players Ears number one, You're right, but I think
a lot of it, like I said, is are the
decisions that are made around him that are out of
his control. You can only control so much, and when
there are all these new variables constantly, that makes life difficult.

(33:47):
New receivers, new coaches, new systems. Look at Alex Smith,
until he got into a stable environment, just like raising
a child. If he's around you know two parents who
fight all the time, I think you could be a
little rocky for a while until he gets into place
where everybody's a little more harmonious. It could be it
could be much better for him, And it's the same
way with a quarterback psyche. But the biggest thing for

(34:10):
these guys is like what happens next? And the only
thing I can liken it too in a way is
it's like a boxer. You fight your whole life. You're
one of the toughest, you're one of the strongest. You've
you've got stamina, you can punch hard, you can take punches,
you can do it all right. But until you become
the champ, nothing's different. But as soon as you become

(34:31):
the champ, what does everybody call you? Hey, champ? Everything
changes overnight, within a matter of twelve rounds. You don't
change as a person, you know, bigger, faster, stronger, smarter
than you were total rounds before that. If anything, you're
more tired. But now the people around you change, the
narrative changes. Now you're the champ, and everything changes their

(34:54):
whole life. These guys have no idea. The world just
got flipped on its end. They're they're corning to your
gold whatever, millions of dollars in the bank, and they're
expected to make decisions like a sixty five year old judge.
It's crazy, it's unbelievable. People don't people don't think about that, Mark,
great stuff. Thanks for the in and out heads up.

(35:14):
I'm gonna order that this weekend chase after that three
year old and I can't wait to see this on
Showtime Sports YouTube channel. Thanks again. All right, It's called Intangibles,
presented by Fourth and Forever Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Trading.
My thanks to Mark Sanchez joined us. You know, it's
it's always interesting to me. Um and Buyer, I don't

(35:34):
I don't know where you sit on this or music
you as well. If if I were to discuss obviously,
like you know, people's talk about the butt fumble whatever
with with Sanchez, but I love this. If I said
Mark Sanchez as a quarterback, what would the first thing
that come to your mind be? Buyer? Um, first round pick,
sixth overall. Do you think he had a successful career, Um, Yes,

(35:59):
but I don't think that the career matched the value
of the pick. Music. Yeah, I'd say he had a
successful career. I'm I don't know about the value of
the pick. He became a starting quarterback immediately they went
to t a f C championship games. You know, his
first four or five years is good. He's good, but

(36:20):
we you know, we expect everybody to be eliar. Peyton
Manning Raiders new wide receiver Henry Ruggs joins us next.
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(36:43):
two more hours to go. We got you loaded up
on a Friday. If you're driving around, thanks so much.
I hope you're having a great Friday getting ready for
rounds two and three of the NFL Draft. We had
some unbelievable coverage. I just thought the draft, mean, over
sixteen million people watch, why wouldn't they the only thing on?
And it was really, really, really well done. Um, we
do have a bunch of several of the first round

(37:06):
draft picks that are set to call in, including Henry Ruggs.
The Raiders will get to him in one second. Well, well,
we'll discuss the Jordan's love pick, We'll discuss what the
Cowboys did. We'll discuss uh, the the SEC's dominance, but
kind of a sneaky dominant team outside of the SEC.
But first let's catch up with Henry Ruggs, newest Oakland

(37:27):
Raider wide receiver. They like to go vertical, and no
one's a better vertical threat in the draft than Ruggs. Henry,
how are you? I'm good? How you doing good? Man? Um? Okay,
was that a bathrobe you were wearing last night? He said, yes,
that that looked like it was that a bathrobe last night?
What was the robe you were wearing that night? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

(37:49):
that robe. Oh the old spice rob. I like it. Okay,
so that was that was all part of the plan.
It wasn't like, man, I'm cold, I gotta go throw
them on. Um, No, it was. It was a it
was the last last minute thing. But yeah, it was.
It was part of the play. I like it. Henry
Ruggs joining us. Um, do you watch Do you enjoy
watching the basketball highlights more or the football highlights more?

(38:12):
Of your career? Um? Basketball? Basketball? Definitely, very back, Mary,
I mean I like to watch the football once more though,
no no question about it. What what was it like
to get the call from the Raiders? It was? It was,
it was it was different. I mean, I don't I
really can't even explain the feeling. It's hard to find
a word to describe it. It was just it was unreal,

(38:35):
do you know, Like we're all sitting here and you know,
it's so different this year, whereas in the past sometimes
the tips are picked. I mean the picks are tipped,
so sometimes we know, you know, some picks. You kind
of had to feel like did you know it was
going to be the Raiders? No? I didn't. It was
it was a surprise to me, you know when I

(38:56):
got the calls, I was just I was surprised myself.
All right, you in there, your cell phone rings and
it's what it? Did it say Las Vegas, Nevada? Or
what did what? Like? Did you look at the number?
Did you have the number saved? What happened when that
phone rings? No, it was it didn't. It didn't say anything.
It was it had like a you know, like assume
call I d okay. I mean imagine you imagine if

(39:19):
you're sitting there and it's one of those um, one
of those paid you know, like infomercial calls or whatever,
like just imagine it's like do you hi Hi there,
like no, no, no no, I'm waiting for an important call
ends up being you know the Raiders are are put
on hold? Okay, so whose voice? Who'd you talk to
when you're on with the Raiders? Coach groopen call? What

(39:41):
was that? Like? I was crazy? He's just you know,
telling me that that he was excited and and you
know he was he was ready to keep the peaking. Um,
there had to be at least a little bit of
you and Jerry. I mean, you're such an incredible combination.
Did you guys have a little sigh action going on?
Who is gonna get picked first? No? We didn't. I

(40:03):
mean we we we kind of talked about it, but
it really wasn't a big thing. I mean, you know,
whatever happened happened. We both know that that we worked hard.
We worked to get to this moment, and you know
we were having for each other look hard using what happened?
What does it mean for you know, to go that
high in the draft? It means a lot, just to know,
you know that all my heart work and everything that

(40:25):
I put in is not going unnoticed. What did uh
what coach Saban say to you? Um? I mean he
did he send the message? Pre draft? I got a
lot of congratulations, you know, congratulating messages that I still
have to go through and and and look at. But
you know, he was just he was just saying, you know,
this is the beginning. You know, just just take what

(40:47):
you learning and apply and just you know, this is
the start of something there. Do you think it's it's
crazy to think that one of the reasons you went
so high in the draft, Henry Ruggs out of Alabama
an absolute burner for Tonty obviously, see everybody's seen the
dunking highlights in the NFL, the college highlights where you
just run by guys, uh do Tyreek Hill is probably

(41:07):
a reason that you, guys, the class of of absolute
burners become more valuable because the Chiefs have used him
in so many different ways. Is that a fair way
to look at it, that there's always been speed guys
in the NFL, but using them in more creative ways,
like the Chiefs have have made it cooler to get
to draft a guy like you as as you know,
at at twelve in the in the first round, all right, right, right,

(41:29):
and and I definitely said, like, you know, I'm a
guy that can do a lot of a lot of
similar things. You know, if I'm put in the right
position I can. I can definitely make the same time. Now,
are you gonna do what Tyreek does where if a
running back has a touchdown, you're gonna go chase him
down just to let him know that you can still
chasing down even be he's on your own team. But
the thing is I used to I used to do

(41:50):
at Alabama, but I was always just on the other
side of the field, so they would be too far
to run. But if you if you go back and
washing m, you'll see the spreadful speed chasing people. Henry
Ruggs joining us, Um, wait, did I did? Did they
say it right? Last night? Did your mom get clocked
at like a four three seven? Like that doesn't sound right,
That's not possible. Where where did that happen? I don't

(42:13):
believe it. But she she says she ran free, and
it says I mean she she said she she had
a fast floyer than me, and she's gonna stand on
it and she won't let me live it down. I
wouldn't let her live it down either. I mean, even
if it's in discussion, right, if he's she's fast enough
to be in discussion, that's got to be crazy to
have a mom that can run that fast. Yeah, Yeah,
she definitely happened has a weird Yeah, I'm I'm I'm

(42:35):
guessing a lot. There is a lot of genetics, a
lot of genetics to it. Okay, So normally the first
round pick, there's a private plane waiting for you. You You fly,
you do a press conference, you know, you go and
you pick out and try and start looking at picking
out an apartment. You start to get kind of situated.
What have they told you? Like, what what is the
process of of when you can get to Vegas? Even

(42:56):
h It's I mean, it's pretty much a weight in process.
All we can do is wait and see and find out,
you know what, what's what's going on and where we
can move and do things like that. So I'm pretty
much just just waiting it out and stay in the
safe thing right now, um uh, and running really really
fast in the process. Are you allowed? Are you still allowed?
Like did the Raiders say, hey, listen, we know you

(43:18):
can play basketball, but we don't want you to play basketball.
We want you to turn an ankle. Are you still
allowed to play hoop? They didn't say anything, but you know,
me myself did, just being cost too, I don't I'm
not gonna do too much of that, and they say
it would just stay healthy, alright, stay healthy, stay ready,
and we can't wait to see you in silver and black.
Well listen. Uh, you're the first ever first round pick

(43:40):
from the Las Vegas Raiders. Can't wait to see in
silver and black instant City. Thanks so much for joining us, Henry,
you can't wait to get all right, that's Henry Ruggs,
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(44:03):
scorecard limitations apply music. Is your mom an athlete? Like
for like, I don't even I don't who knows if
she could run a four or three or four or five? Four?
Doesn't matter the fact that she could say it and
her son's like that bull right like your it means
she can clearly run. Uh, my mom was not an athlete.

(44:24):
My dad was, you know, was a walk on hooper
at Ohio State. But was your mom athletic at all? Yeah?
She was a swimmer, and she swam at junior college
or in junior college whatever. Yeah, you actually sounded like
a junior college guy. And he said, she said, swim ad,
you're I'm a kid. I messed with you. Um. So
like when she hops in the pool, did she show
off and just start burning every like, hey, let's race

(44:45):
and then just smash you in a in a swimming race. No.
I think all of us just sort of understand where
we fall in line with all of that. Buy or
you have any your mom athletic. Um. I didn't think
she was until she kicked my button bad mint. When
I was younger, you know, I was just one of
the neighborhood the nat up and said let's go, and
she wiped the floor with me, like I and I

(45:07):
and I was kind of in the the cocky early teens,
you know, age probably about thirteen or fourteen, thinking that
I could do whatever and and uh yeah, wipe the
floor with me. I like the the the bathrob that
Henry Ruggs would right, he had the bathrobe and the
gold watch. That was a great That was the great mix.
The de ject division, like he can go either way

(45:28):
and go he can go out of the town, or
you could shut it down for the night. I thought
he was sitting there, I go, that's not a robe,
is it? And sure enough, then when he stood up,
I saw the old old spice on the lapel there,
and sure enough, Um, what was your music? You had
a question when you see the highlights from Henry Ruggs,
And I don't know how much other than those highlights

(45:50):
you would have been able to watch. But from like
a pure basketball analyst standpoint, what did his game look like? It?
Was it just simply he's just more athletic than everyone
one else? Or how would you analyze him as a
basketball player? Did you see the video? Yeah? I mean
clearly he's a freak, But I didn't know if there
was anything there that perhaps someone such as myself would

(46:11):
be missing that you would be able to discern from
the highlight video. I don't think he's five eleven. I
think he's probably more in the five tennis variety. But
doesn't matter like, um, I mean just so crazy explosive, right,
I actually think that was there are there are some
guys that are burners that don't aren't vertical as vertically
explosive like that. Dude has just bounce, you know, and

(46:34):
it's just that they call it twitchy. You know, we're
just boom and you you're bouncing, you twitch and whatever.
He was He no, I I mean, do I think
you could have played college basketball? Yeah? Like, look when
you play college basketball, all the football players think they
can play hoop. And I remember, do you guys remember
our de w mcquarters. He's the first round pick of
the Bears. I think he was the first round pick

(46:56):
of the Bears. So my first year at Oklahoma Stay
the year before, they had struggled with injuries and defections,
and our Debbie actually got to start a couple of
games in basketball, and so when they signed me, they
basically like, hey, dude, you're not gonna play anymore. And
so our Dub didn't like he didn't like me, and
I didn't even I didn't not not know him, but

(47:17):
it was basically like he felt like he was playing
basketball and football and they didn't want to give him
a chance, like there was no competition, but he was.
And so we played pick up some at the Covin
Center and he was kind of same type of thing
where he was just a freak, like he was like
he could just do some things athletic like grow, but
most basket, most most guys that dedicate themselves to football,

(47:39):
they lack the you know, the ball handling. It's a
little stiff or whatever. Like in the highlights you watch
Rugs he dribbled mostly with his right hand or whatever.
But I mean that's nitpicking, but I mean the just
freaky freaky athlete, like I can't the other the other
things you can't. I can't imagine being defended by those
guys because they're so quick and so strong. I thought
McKay Beckton's basketball highlights were actually the most impressive last night.

(48:00):
Well has a big man and he could really move
almost Yeah, he's a as a gigantic, gigantic man. Now
McKay beckton, what but he was not the biggest man
in the room when he was introduced right like his
was a big dude. Yes, that was the best part
of last night, the best I thought the best part

(48:21):
of last night honestly was like you look at so
many you know, there was the Rich Eisen had like
a digital show where you have all these guys. Russell
was Russell Wilson was actually out in his um Mercedes
sprinter van because he didn't have internet connection whatever. But
all these other guys are in these beautiful palatial you know,
not quite Cliff Kingsbury, but really nice places. And then

(48:43):
you go to the guys that hadn't been drafted, that
just being drafted. And I mean even Joe Burrow, like
that looked like anywhere Ohio, right, the puffy, fake leather sofa,
you know, with the fringe from the windows and the
classic like seventies eighties d apes. It looked like before
pictures from HDTV. That's what it looked before the Property

(49:05):
Brothers got their hands on it. I just thought there's
something very real and very tangible about it. And then
you have all their families around them, and so you
don't have kind of the usual agent hanger honors whatever.
I thought it was really really cool. I thought it
was very well done. It was very cool. The Cowboys
took Ceedee Lamb last night. I actually think it was
a good pick. Tell you why next. Be sure to
catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays

(49:27):
at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the I Heart Radio Whap Doug Otlives Show
Fox Sports Radio Cowboys lost Byron Jones free agent Miami Dolphins. Dolphins,
Dolphins are gonna be better. They're gonna be better, Uh
Robert Quinn. But you know who's a pass rusher? Right?

(49:50):
And there was there was no Accuda type player available
when they drafted, and like, look, Cede Am was the
number one wide receiver and a top ten guy on
their board, and that's what they went with. Like I
kind of think we we sometimes outthink things. We're like, well,

(50:10):
they should have Okay, let's look at the guys who
were taken behind him. Uh, Damon Arnette was seen as
a reach but very talented cornerback out of Ohio State.
They weren't taking Austin Jackson, who up and down obviously
a big kid who's talented, but um maybe a bit
of a project. I do think they could have taken

(50:34):
uh Cleavan case In Casson from l s U. Justin
Jefferson was available, but Seede Lamb was they had ahead
of him. Kenneth Murray, who who I mean, Like the
Chargers traded up to get him because they thought they
believed that somebody else would would get after him. I mean,
here's a guy they've been looking for a will linebacker

(50:56):
for seven years and they they found it and Kenneth
Murray and they thought he was the top ten guy.
He was available at twenty three. I love him. So
I mean, when you know, you go and look and
Jordan Brooks was looked as a reach, Patrick McQueen. They
don't need another linebacker, you know, there wasn't the only
other thing that that Cowboys could have done was take

(51:17):
a safety. And if you don't have a safety, as
with the first round grade on your board, you don't
do what's the classic thing that people tell you not
to do in the draft. Don't reach for a need.
Don't reach for a need. And I it's interesting. I
like a Marie Cooper. I think he's making too much money.

(51:41):
No one else they have kind of jumps off the
page at you, Blake Jarwin. Obviously they signed up to
be a tight end who continues to improve. Had him
on great story from a walk on at Okahma State
than undrafted player. But like, look, they do need to
fix their defense. But if you just go out and
get the best players, that plan generally works. Maybe you

(52:05):
trade one of them, maybe you keep all of them.
But this is a league in which the teams with
the better players do have a tency to win. They're
not one player away in the middle of the middle
to end of the first round from from being a
super Bowl team, but they could be once they've been

(52:26):
in a position going back before they got a Marie
Cooper of Hey, what happens if we don't have enough
wide receivers? Then Dak just isn't that good right when
they lost tomorrow when a Marie Cooper wasn't playing well.
They're offense stunk when they didn't have Marie Cooper. Their
offense stunk when they didn't have their running back Zeke Elliott.
Their offense stunk when they had one piece that wasn't firing.

(52:48):
So now you add an additional piece. Dac is a
good player. He's made into being a great player when
he has talent around him, and getting more Hollent only
makes that more obvious. I like to pick I like
Ceedee Lamb and and whether or not he can be

(53:10):
their go to wide receiver, he might not have to
because they have him Maria Cooper. You can only double
one guy, and if somebody's open, that's when Dad can
be really good throwing him open. That's not really what
he does. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter
noon Pacific. John Mitelcoff joints this for NFL Scout. Um

(53:33):
let's start with Ceedee Lamb will work our way all
around this draft. I don't hate it. He's a really
good player, and he was around a little bit longer
than maybe they thought they had him. Like how is
described to me as everybody's board looks different. And if
a guy is much higher on your board and he's
still available, especially a wide receiver in the league which
has become the dominant path, you know, dominated by the past,

(53:55):
and you have a quarterback who's much better when he
has good players around him, I don't hate it. What
are you thing? I'm with you. I mean you get
to the point to me pass like pick fifteen. There's
a chance for a huge discrepancy on your board. And
I think talking to people around the league, Ceedee Lamb
wasn't liked, he was loved. You know, I've been on
a lot of boards. He was a top seven eight player.

(54:18):
And the cowboys who listen, it's an offensive league. The
more weapons you can have a Mari is a completely
different player as well. Right, he's more of a route runner,
a softer player. They have a power running back and
now they have kind of more of a physical jump ball,
you know, maybe a little smoother. I don't want I mean,
I'm just gonna compare him to DeAndre Hopkins. I don't

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know if he's gonna be as good as DeAndre Hopkins.
But that's, you know, kind of a style. And you
you you want to me to always have a little
balance of your two wide receivers, of your one and
two guys to be a little different. You don't want
guys to be identically the same. It's like, you know,
basketball is a great example, right, you want your one
guy to do one thing and the other your other
wing to do another, and it balances out. It makes

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your off events really more explosive. And think about McCarthy, Doug,
how many sweet wide receivers he's had over the years
and the Rogers runs where they were all a little
different and it worked pretty perfectly and they scored a
lot of points. Um, all right, let's let's let's let's
talk Aaron Rodgers. Um should he be ticked that they
took Jordan's Love. Well, here's the problem, Like a defining

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element of his career was people somewhat feel bad for
him that FARV was kind of an able to him, right,
and he is he gonna be able to do that
now to a younger guy. The difference is Rogers while
somewhat remember his throwing motion was a little weird in college,
he was a way better prospect coming out of cow

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than Jordan's Love is coming out of Utah State. And
the other thing you could have been. He could have
been the number one probably should have been the number
one overall pick. Instead they took Alex Smith big time.
And I would say of the last fifteen years a
player of Rogers talent a omplishments. I mean he almost
beat USC the one year when they were humming, probably
doesn't fall past the top like ten ever again, so

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that was it was a one off and two I
just he it's like there's not a threat because he's
not gonna be close to his good though. I think
if you're Rogers and you go where we were thirteen
and three, we were in the NFC Championship while we
got boat raced. Aren't we just a couple of players
away from thinking of hell, maybe we could compete with

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the Diners, maybe we could win the NFC. And now
we're taking a player that, yeah, he's not gonna able
beat me out for years, but he's not doing anything
for us. Couldn't we have taken a wide receiver and
maybe Gudakins would tell them, well, there weren't any guys
of value. The thing that's kind of crazy that I
would understand Roger's side a little is you guys traded
up to get him. I'd be one thing if you
just sat there and took him. They got kind of

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aggressive to go get the player. So I I see
both sides of this. Uh. I also think it just
shows you it happens every single player or Aaron Rodgers
time in Green Bay now is finite, whether it's gonna
be two years or three years. But he's not gonna
finish his career as a Green Bay Packer. I don't

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agree with that. I mean, I I just don't. I
mean I think, like, look, Jordan loves a couple of
years away, right we you and I both agree on that. Okay,
so he's a couple of years away. Rogers hasn't been
healthy his whole career. But like this whole idea that
they haven't been haven't given respect, Like they have more
money than anybody's ever gotten in the history of the sport.
I'm not but so so looking in we'll figure like

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in the next two years, it's all guaranteed. You know,
he's got all guaranteed money, so he's not going anywhere.
Plus you're not gonna play the kid. And then at
the end of two years, like we'll see and if
he's if if Jordan Love still hasn't played, he's still
probably gonna have first round value because people will think
he's sitting there waiting and they're holding onto him, and
he'll probably light up preseason games, right And because as
long as he doesn't play, or he'll play games seventeen

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of a couple of years, he'll still have value. And
you'll try and you'll figure it out then agree. But
the one thing, though, is these guys are now the
new GM and the new coach are invested into this individual.
And you're right, financially they are tied to Rogers. There's
no even questioning. For the next two years, he can't

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even trade him because of the dead cap. But after
that some of it's on Jordan's level. He's got to
be You're not just gonna give it to him to
be stunk. Part of the reason they went from Far
to Rogers. Far was slipping and Rodgers was could crushing
in practice. Now here's the other thing. Rodgers did show
signs that he was diminishing a little bit. So we'll see,
maybe this inspires him. Maybe he you know, remember they

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did the same thing with Brady and Jimmy, but Brady
just kept playing well and it kind of forced their hands.
So I guess any anyone to the owner, anyone to
the owner, anyone, anyone, anyone to the owner. But but
if you agree, if Jordan's loves get to the point
where he's as good as Jimmy Garoppolo, Rodgers will be
in trouble. Yes, and and Rogers continues to if he
Rogers starts to decline. But I also think that Rodgers,

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the guy that his whole career has been built in
the fact that he's been energized by think he's been slighted,
and he thought he thought the NFL slided him. He's
in the green room longer than anybody else. The Niners
slided him at far slided him. He carries that that
bag of chips on his shoulder. And if this is
one morning it gets into play, well, it gets him
to kick everybody's ass and take names. So so be it.
I'm not I'm not even like a like a ticked

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off and motivated Aaron Rodgers is not the worst thing
in the world. The but but I do think he
could he could go. Well, guys, the Niners traded up
and they got Brandon. Why didn't we do that exact
same move we had, we had less room to go up.
Why why wouldn't we get that to go with Davante
and kind of just be like, Okay, we're back. Yeah, No,
it's a it's a it's a great question. Let's see

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what they Let's see how it plays out today. Let's
see what what happens today. Um, which quarterback is in out?
You know, let's not talk about love anymore, but of
Herbert uh tongue of Ioloa and Joe Burrow. Who's in
the best position to succeed? I think Herbert, by far,
I mean, the Chargers had a night last night, Kenneth
Murray's stud and Herbert is going to a team that

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has two stud wide receivers. I mean Keenan Allen is
one of the more consistent guys in the league. You
got Mike Williams, who was a great jump ball wide
receiver and has been making play since he was a
Clemson kicking Bama's butt. You have Austin Ekeler, who's a
quarterback's best friend, and you have Hunter Henry. I mean
they are because you asked for. Much like most guys

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that get drafted in the top six, they usually go
to two a ton of bloat who is gonna realize
fast like Waddle and Judy and they walk up through
that door and Burrows, best wide receiver in a j
Green has been injured, is probably gonna be unhappy, and
that team just stinks. Joe Mixon's okay, but other than that,
they don't have weapons. I think, Herbert, you couldn't ask

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to be a top six quarterback to go. I'm trying
to think back in recent memory. Is there a better
situation for a rookie quarterback to enter into that's been
drafted that high. You'd be hard for us to find one. Yeah,
And and I don't think he has to play right
away either, Like I I legit think that, and Tyrod
has been in that situation before with the younger guy.
You know, it doesn't mean have to like it, but

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it's still his team until until it's not. I tend
to agree with you and the point you made the
Kenneth Murray pick. I mean, they had him in the
top ten on their board and they've been looking for
a will linebacker for I think seven years. Seven years.
You go back and I was shocked that he lasted there.
I mean, I thought him and Patrick Queen I talked to,

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I was texting with the guy today in the league,
and historically middle linebackers or just like just linebackers in general,
aren't valued like a lot of other positions. In two
thousand twenty, with how talented the tight ends and running
backs are and how side to side also the running
game is, those guys to me, are so valuable and

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him and Patrick Queen, the Ravens and the Chargers got those.
How did those guys last the mid twenties the good teams.
It's just it's shocking to me who who had the
biggest head scratching night. My issue with the Arizona Cardinals
taking Isaiah Simmons Steve Kim had a lot of success,
taken the Honey Badgers, taken Buchanan, the kid from Washington State,

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and when he had Todd Bowles and Todd Bowles as
we saw last year in Tampa, is really good. Even
in New York. I know there he ended up getting fired,
but he really didn't have any tempt for what they
had talent wise. They were trying to be bad and
won six games. He is a great chess player. He
can move and utilize players. Vance Joseph has not been good.
The Cardinals defense last year was pitiful in in then

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for his two years there, they fell off a cliff.
So when you take a guy like that as a
general manager, it's it's now out of Steve Kime's hands.
Like he's not running the scheme, he's not coaching the practices.
That that is a very risky pick. Given the coordinator
and even the head coach is Cliff Kingsbury, who has
nothing to do with defense. That that to me, I

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don't know, man, I I think I would have gone
safe offensive line there. I get in theory what he's
trying to do, just the way they're equipped with their
coaching staff, I don't love it at all. The Tristan
worst Tampa thing was the most obvious thing ever, right
like that felt like and I don't think he's perfect,
but he's a right tackle. They need a right tackle

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and he's good and talented. What should what should the
expectations though for Tom Brady be of a rookie right
tackle trying to win a Super Bowl, Well, he's already
getting heat, right because Tom clearly is not a big
quarantine guy. And I don't blame because Tom Brady is
thinking one thing and one thing only. I'm trying to
win the Super Bowl and shove it in Belichick's face
this year. So the no O t A has got

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to be killing them and it's just it is gonna
be somewhat of a challenge. And you and I have
talked about this before. Arians him meshed together, like you
could argue of any team that's probably gonna be good
this fall, and I think it's fair to say they
were gonna be pretty good if they had a normal
off season. They've got to just be, you know, killing themselves.
Like we gotta get together because Arians and Brady the

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meshing up the offenses, uh, even like what he wants
and you know, even his offensive lineman, the the the
checks and the calls that he's had are gonna change
or maybe try to adapt some of the stuff they've
done in New England. It's complicated stuff, so I it's
gonna be even a right tackle is in theory of
plug in play position? Well, how does Tom call it?

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How does arians call it? What's their final bourbage? Like
it's it might kind of get all thrown together fast
starting just in training camp. I kind of like what
the Vikings did last night. Like I like Jefferson. I
think he's a much less expensive, maybe not as refined version.
You know what current they lose Stefon Diggs, You're placed
him with a rookie was really talented. And then I
know Glad neither some mock the field stuff there, but uh,

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it's a dynamic defense and needed a cornerback. I like
what they did, really like what they did. Yeah, I'm
a big Justin Jefferson guy. And while digs in a
weird way, even though you think Cousins wouldn't be good
at that type, player, was productive when cutting through him
the ball just the divan I get him out of there.
Justin Jefferson comes right in with feeling Dalvin Cook. That
offense is gonna be good. Right to me, the corner.

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When you look historically over the guys Zimmer and Spielman
of drafted like they haven't missed on a lot of
high end corners. Lately, Waynes turned out to not be
that great. Mackenzie Alexander, the little nickel they drafted out
of Clemson, has been hit or missed. Though, I'm with you,
I like this guy just what I've seen of some
of the highlight clips. People I've talked to the league
like them. But we'll just see now they just need
a corner. They cut Xavier Rhodes. Waynes is no longer there.

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They just needed, you know, a high end type talent
at least they can work with. And at the end
of the day, Zimmer's probably a top two or three
defensive mind flash coach in the league. So you feel
good about taking a chance on a guy at the
end of the first round. Where is Caesar Louie's gonna
play for the Saints? That's a good question. I mean,
I center guard. I mean that's he only has two options. Uh,

(01:05:52):
why wouldn't he play center? Someone texted me in the
league today. I just that was a little bit of
a head scratcher. You know, typically you can get just
interior offensive lineman. I guess this guy was clearly the
top interior offensive lineman in the draft. I mean you
can just tell by the draft and no other guy
even we've even really talked about. I just don't like

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invest in first round picks into that guy. But you know,
they had their they had their shot right at Jordan's Love,
which I I thought at twenty four they were gonna
take Jordan Love and when they didn't shows you maybe
Sean Paynton didn't like him that much. But you're right.
I just you're trying to win a Super Bowl this year.
Take a center. Um, it's not really my cup of tea.
But you know who am I to question Sean Payton

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and Mickey Looms have. They've had a lot of success.
But I I was with you, that was I didn't
see that coming. Yeah, I didn't either. Patriots. Patriots now
have a have a pretty pretty solid day, pretty decent
day ahead of them. What are your expectations for the Patriots? Well,
Belichick traded while the other team was still on the clock,
so he wanted no part of any of the guys
in the first round. Really, what could they not do?

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I mean, and they need more explosive playmakers as a
deep wide receiver draft, Uh, they need you know, their
defense is a tad old. McCarthy's getting up there, High
Tower is getting up there. Jamie Collins and Van Oya
are now gone again, So I are they just kind
of doing a rebuild of this is kind of their
first base for next year, maybe going after their quarterback.

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It does feel it does It does feel that way, right,
doesn't it like you just try to accumulate a bunch
of second and third round picks, try to hit on,
you know, six of them, and have a core group
of just solid starters around a guy. Yes, that's what
That's what it feels like. And and if you the
video and they're chief if you and there's video out
of of them making the trade. I don't know if

(01:07:41):
you saw the video, but they're like, oh, just Jefferson's
going to Minnesota, Okay, now let's do it right, So
it was obvious that they were Jefferson was like the
cut off of you. They need to know, they need
a playmaker. They haven't had good luck and wide receivers,
and once he was gone, I was surprised that they didn't,
you know, I mean, Murray was there for them, Queen
was there for them. I don't know if they what
they think. If some you know, Jordan Brooks obviously that

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people thought would be around later, but it is. It
does feel to me like they're going to use this
as a almost like a gap year, trying to figure
out what they like, what they don't like. If it's bad,
they'll just sell off some of those pieces late in
the year and then it can do a complete reboot
next year. I also think he values We invested a pick,
a pretty good pick, a fourth rounder instead him. We've

(01:08:23):
had him for a year, were high on him. We're
gonna do a good job of just accumulating some players
around him and just see what he's got and if
it doesn't work, it's easy for us to pivot. Right.
He never kind of pigeonholes him in one way. And
like you said, they have what I've always heard is
they to use a clump of players, like they're never
bound to one individual guy. They know their spot, they

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get three or four guys, and if if those three
or four guys are gone, they're just never married or
never gonna force anything. That's why they always trade draft
picks back because like, we're not going to trade a
guy that we don't think it's worth that, because they
also factor in whatever you draft a guy, whatever you're
paying him for first round of money, and we don't
think your first round player. Seattle also historically is trying
to shy away from that. Yeah, and and they have

(01:09:06):
cap issues and you know, you know pay they have,
they have the dead dead cat money to Brady and uh,
you know, obviously they actually still think they're gonna be
solid ugly. I don't think they're gonna think they're gonna
be fine. I think I think that'll be. I think
they'll be fine. You know. Yeah, well, I mean like again,
like a right, if Stidham's terrible, if they can't score,

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you know, um well, you know, well then then I
think mid season they start selling off pieces and start
looking towards the future. And you know, I mean they're
gonna if it gets bad, Stefan Gilmour will be traded
for a bounty, right that that's what will be, and
they'll be able. They'll and in the last year of
a deal and they don't want to. They won't have
to redo that one. Um, okay, just just want one

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or two More's John Mitokoff, our guest on the Doug
Gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. UM, who would
you be most excited for if you were a d
and he goes today. Uh, that's a pretty good question.
I'd say the running back from Georgia's Swift is a
pretty dynamic And we've seen the last several years, the

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running backs taken in the early thirties, you know, like
thirty five to thirty nine, kind of that Nick Chubb
range can be immediate impact players. So usually the running
backs on the second day, it sounds like a second
round pick, but they're the equivalent for a running back
up a first round pick, like you saw the running
back first round is really like pick thirty to forty five.

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You know, if you're if you're drafted in that range,
like Clyde the kid that Chief Scott is going to
be a stud. I think that guy is gonna be
really good. I've always liked Laviska Shenolt, the kind of
explosive receiver from Colorado. Now there are a bunch of
injury concerns, but when he was healthy. I always thought
he was a just a bona fide pro. Uh so
that that's usually guys like that end up today because

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there are question marks with the injuries. Um yeah, I
mean it's to me today is like when you get
your non sexy like line, you know, your guards and
Spenter start for your for eight years. Um, I we
we gotta go really quickly here. But the burners, we
we had rugs on, you know, Like I feel like
everybody wants to find their own Tyreek Hill and Rigor

(01:11:19):
went um and I know he didn't run a great
forty time. I just I don't know. There's only one
Tyreek Hill? Are those? Were those guys reach for speed
more than reach for need? Yeah? To me, that guy
is very dependent on the on the quarterback. You know,
you've seen Alex Smith with the ted Gins and the
Tyreek Hills early in his career and it doesn't look
the same as when he's with Mahomes. So it's just Derek.

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The pressure now to me on Derek Carr is im
mense dug like there is no really excuse. But it
might this first year if it doesn't go well, it
might not even be Ruggs as fault at least with
rigor with the Eagles, like Carson could sling it and
he will throw it now. He's to me, Ruggs is
much more ready made. But the other guy, just given
his quarter back, is going to be set up more

(01:12:01):
to succeed to me, you know, early on and John
Middle call follow him on Twitter, Follow on Facebook. You'll
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thanks so much for joining us. All right, He's awesome,
and I hope you enjoyed that. Which college football conference
are the best players in the country? I think you
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was the Herd with Colin Cowherd talking about the NFL
Draft and where the best players in the country come from.
The SEC is the best conference in college football, and
it's not really hosts. Last night they set a record
fifteen first round picks. Almost half the draft was SEC.

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Six of the top ten players never happened before, Folks,
It's not hard. This is why I follow college football recruiting.
What what of all the independent colleges in the country,
which one is the best team? Notre Dame? Why? Because
they recruit better players than Navy and b y U,
who dominates over the last twenty years, mostly dominates Big

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Ten recruiting, mostly Ohio State. They got the most national
championships right last thirty years. Oklahoma first or second in recruiting,
dominates the Big twelve. Clemson dominates recruiting over the last
seven years in the A C C dominant program. But
the SEC has easily the best players. I would agree.
I think there's there's a couple of things to it

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that are interesting. Should be pointed out that the SEC
is great, and they've uh they go all in on
facilities and recruiting, and I'm there's probably some ancillary benefits
there that we pretend like we don't want to talk about,
but we know do exist. And this is after what's
amazing is this is after old mrs guys, the old
mrs kind of out of most of their weaponry of

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of stud dudes. Right. And but Georgia being back is
a big thing. Um, And you have, you know, multiple schools.
I would tell you that that one other factor has
allowed the SEC to continue and grow in their dominance.
One is there's more schools than they ever used to have.
That's one reason they have more kids that can be drafted.
But the other is a lot Texas, A and M

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being in the league creates more avenues for them to recruit.
Texas and Texas and Florida obviously produced the greatest well
spring of the greatest well spring of talent. The other
thing that was fascinating though, and a window brought this
thing up, was Joe Burrow started Ohio State, Chase Young,
Ohio State, Jeoffrey Okuda, Ohio State. That's the first three
guys off the board. Pretty amazing, right, I mean, really

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really fascinating that Ohio State has been so so good
and they had other first round picks as well. Um,
and then you look at you know where Chase Young's from.
He's from the d m V. That area has produced
a ton of players, but they can't seem to keep
them home. All right, let's let's uh, let's take a

(01:15:20):
look at the first round draft, this first round of
the draft from last night. We'll we'll tell you who
had the best night, who had the weirdest night, who
had the coolest set up, the most bizarre set up,
and why you shouldn't really be offended. Have you made
fun of Dave Gettleman having a mask on? You didn't
know the backstory that? That's fine as well. We'll get
to that next. This is the Doug Gotlip Show. Be

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sure to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb
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having a good day. Part of the trying to pick
apart somebody's picks is we don't you know just because

(01:16:04):
we don't hold you know, Like I'm gonna say, I
think I know what I see and what I like.
How it translates to the NFL, Like look, that's what
those guys get paid to do. They watch the All
twenty two tape, they look at it very differently. All
you can kind of go by is what you feel
like the plan is. You know what, what exactly is

(01:16:26):
the plan? Does the plan make sense? As a plan?
Not makes sense? And there's one of really two plans.
Either you go trying to fit your needs with the
best player available, or you go and take the best
player available. And sometimes teams get caught in between the two.
And then there's of course the the Green Bay Packers

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who seem like they prepared themselves for years to come,
and I wonder how people feel about that. Let's let's
brob welcome in Austin Gale. He's the associate director of
content for Pro Football Focus. He joins us in the
Doug Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, everybody has
a mock, everybody has things that at what point did

(01:17:10):
your mock go out the window? Probably pick four or five.
I did not extract the New York Giants to take
uh Andrew Thomas at four. I really didn't. And he's
PFF top offensive tackle, not Christop Wors, not Jeder Wills.
We had Andrew Thomas, there's the best offensive tackle. But
we didn't think Graman was going to go that route.
We thought he was gonna go to McKay text Chedrick Wills.
We thought he was gonna go with more of the

(01:17:31):
freak yeer athletes. He goes after Andrew Thomas, we're really
impressed with. But that's when the mock went out the window. No,
I'm with you. It's interesting. I had I talked to
a GM this morning and he said he liked to
pick two. He said, Beckton is a higher ceiling, lower
floor guy. There's there's, you know, always the potential for
some weight issues there, and you know, also there's some

(01:17:53):
personality stuff. I mean, I think there's people that were
bothering in the league. Not that he got popped for weed,
like it's a big deal, but there's three hundred guys
to come mine. He's literally the only one who got
popped for weed. You know, So you're just sitting there
going like, you know, push comes to shove. Thomas is
a plug and play guy. And this follows this is
this is who Dave Geentleman is right. I mean, he

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drafted a running back, he drafted He's drafted offensive lineman.
He's trying to build inside out kind of old school
classic football, and if anything giving credence to your rankings,
he just Getleman. Getleman fit Gettleman's personality with his pick.
Is that fair? No? I think you know Gettleman's on
the wrong side of a lot of jokes. Was kind
of how he you know, projects himself to analytics and

(01:18:36):
those things. But he knows how to scout offensive lineman
like he understands what you needed that position and with
Andrew Thomas the George Offen tackle. He's still a very
young player, just one years old. Has improved his grade
every single year of his career at the collegiate level,
according to PFF grade. You watch his game against Caleb
and Chaser on the number twenty overall pick to the

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Jacksonville Jaguars, he dominates them, absolutely dominated. He doesn't have
the foot speed of Jedrick Wills, he doesn't have the
power of Christan Worth's when he has his great technique,
great power, he's a brick house. I think that's a
great pick for the New York Giants. That for they
could have traded down. I don't think anyone was coming up.
I think the Dolphins knew they could have stayed put
at five and grabbed tous tongue of by La. So

(01:19:17):
I really do like to pick giants. How do you
like to of for the Dolphins? Dude, slant dunk? I
mean talk about smoke screen after smoke screen, Chargers ate
it up. Chargers did not get aggressive and try and
trade up for Tis song and by Law because they
think they bought into this smoke that the Dolphins were
trading up for a castle. They like just In Herbert Moore.
The Palm Beach Post and the Miami Herald reported undislows

(01:19:39):
injuries for two. They played this like a fiddle like
the Miami Dolphins did not have to trade up for
easily the second best quarterback in this class, arguably the
second best player in this plat theory will to stay
put at five and take to its song boy Lowa.
This is an a plus in my opinion. It was.
It was classic mastery of the draft. I think they
played the market well. Really put the charge is in

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a bad position forcing them to take Justin Herbert six.
So you don't like Herbert. I'm not a big fan
of Herbert. He rans outside the top twenty five on
PFS your latest fakeboard and the region is it He's
not nearly. His accurate is to a song of Bylaw,
and accuracy is so important when you're translating to the
next level. PFF has found is only more predictive metrics.

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One of the more translatable stable metrics going from the
college to the pro level is accuracy and Justin Herbert
just simply doesn't have it compared to to a song
of Bylwa and Joe Burrow. And then factor in when
Justin Herbert, you know, the light shine brightest, you just
didn't see him become that best player on the football
field he needed to be to win those big games
against good defense. His grading profile against top defense is

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in college football is just flat out at that concerns me.
I thought to Brady Quinn, the former Notre Dame Brown's quarterback.
He said, he lacks that fire, like you need that fire,
that innate ability to play the quarterback position. He's almost
robotic with his movements. Yes, sometimes the robot looks great,
the armcount looks great. Sometimes you need that instinct really
play that position at a high level. Doug gotlib show

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here on Fox Sports Radio Austin Galees is our guest,
and he joins us, you know, look, I actually know
that charge organization. Well. I do think they wanted to
h above Herbert, but they also were concerned, like, man,
we gotta hold our breath every time too A goes
out there. How much of the injuries concern you? I
mean injuries origin concern I mean some doctors say it's

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an injury worried war more at three five than you
do at twenty five. But like you talk to Peter
King and he says, you cannot minimize this risk. It's
something the NFL hasn't ever seen. It's not an ahd
L injury. It's not Tommy john To Compared to baseball,
this is a catastrophic injury the NFL just doesn't have
a ton of experience with. And if there's anything the
NFL hates, it's being first on something. Being first on

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a player inside the top five and that has this
kind of injury history is definitely a scary moment for
gms that maybe feel like they're on thin ice. I
think I understand why he didn't go number two to
the Washington Redskins. Chase Young a paper pick and maybe
you want to build around Dwayne Haskins. But I think
Dolphin's were smart to take two over Herbert because you
know it's also risky bad quarterback play. Justin Herbert has

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all of that. Um, okay, what what are your thoughts
on Jordan's love to the Packers? So this one concerns
me a bit. I don't hate to trade up. I
think a lot of people are making too much of
the trade up. They did not give up a ton
to trade up and grab Jordan's love. I think I
have a bigger problem with them not maximizing this window
with Aaron Rodgers. I keep hearing people say, well, this

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is going to motivate him to play better. If your
first round picks, biggest strength is motivating your Hall of
Fame quarterback to play better, you pick the wrong guy, Like,
that's just not what you're supposed to do. I think
they would have been smarter to address maybe out at
the fine bringing a wide receiver, improve that defense. Maximize
this closing window for the thirty six, very seven year
old quarterback you have that's a future Hall of Famer,

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Try and go win a Super Bowl with him. Don't
start preparing for the future especially with this guy. Jordan's
Love is a project. You watch his five best place,
you get a taste attached from homes. You watch just
five worst places, you don't draft the kid. I mean,
it's such a roller coaster in a similar way to
Javis Winston. The high end is awesome. The high end
is leading the league in passing yards, in touchdown, but
the low end it's thirty interceptions and unprecedented low level success.

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It's a fair, totally, totally fair point that there is.
There's the highs and lows. But being the project, it
does make sense like Packers aren't gonna get to draft
high the next couple of years with Aaron Rodgers, and
this gives them at least the possibility of a guy
that does have talent and has plenty of time to
refine that talent. I think he reminds me in a
lot of ways to a former Green May Packer, to
Shan Kaiser, and he has this high end in his game,

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and if you can coach it out of him, all
it takes is one proNT office, one quarterbacks coach that says, hey,
I saw those five best plays from Jordan's Love. I
think I can get all of those plays out of
him with consistency. Just give me a couple of years,
Gan Aaron Rodgers, I bet I can do it, but
it's so difficult to improve at the NFL level, especially
with Jordan loved me. To get better as a processor,
he needs to be more consider sent throwing the football accurately,

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better decision making, and he was playing against the Mountain
West competition and not doing it at a high level.
Then he needs to get better against so much better
competition in the NFL. It's like trying to get better
when you fairly are beating level five and then you
get throwing a level twenty five. Like. It's going to
be very difficult for him to get better. It's not
as simple as sitting on the bench and adjusting to

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the speed of the NFL. Like. There has to be
actionable items on his on his list of two dues
in order for him to get better. It's just gonna
be hard to see if he can actually reach that
high potential. Who's a team who did really well yesterday
that we're not talking enough about. You know, it's all
the teams I have multiple change. It's all the teams
that they put did not get aggressive and try and

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trade up. Because they felt really confident in their evaluation.
They stayed put and drafted the best player available. First
scene that comes to mind, Denver Broncos. You heard in
the week prior that they wanted to trade up for
a wide receiver. They wanted to go get Peedee Lamb.
They wanted to get go, go get Jerry Judy. They
stay put. It falls right to them. You don't give
up that extra draft capital and you take the best
player available and Jerry Judy at fifteen. And in the

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same situation Dallas Cowboys at seventeen. I heard that Jerry
Jones was debating between Caleb and Chas Song would have
been a bit of a reach in my opinion. That
filled a bigger position of need for Ceedee Lamb hands
down the best player available on the board. He makes
a strength better add Phebe Lamb, that receiving corps Michael
Gallup on Mariti Cooper CD Lamb, Like, that's just trying

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to change the game. That's trying to win the NFL
with a great strength and a great receiving corps. Love
those two fits. Love those two picks for the Broncos
and Cowboys. Um, but you. You don't love any of
the teams that moved up, you know, Brandon, you is
is one that that they paid a steep price to
move up. I I thought that, uh, I thought that
the Chargers going out and getting Kenneth Murray also, look,

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you pay a steep price, and the Patriots obviously get
a chance to load up on second and third round picks.
This way. You don't like the you don't you don't
like those two move ups. I think I like the
brand that you can move up because get San Francisco,
and like how standing and approaches every receiver class way
different than everyone else. A lot of other front officers
are looking for separators, guys that they don't have to

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scheme open. They know they can get open against man coverage.
Kyle Shanahan is a mastermind, a puppet master. He looks
at the receiving class and says, who with the ball
in their hands is at their best because I'll scheme
them open. I don't need them to get the open
on their own. And that's exactly what you getting, Brandon
and you. I love the fifth in San Francisco. It's
very similar to Deebo Samuel and that he's going to
find a way to get in the football. He doesn't

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have to create separation against man coverage all the time.
He's going to get the football where where I find it.
I think that's a great trip to San Francisco. And
I also like the trade up the Bucks trading up
just to pick to make sure they get their guy
in Tristan Warps, because I do think they needed an
offense to tackle. I don't think they thought they were
gonna have an opportunity at one of the top four guys.
Tristan worse as are freak. You talk about stealing this

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guy broke Combine records for three fifteen pound plucks men
that have been at the Combine over the past decade plus.
I think that was another good trade up for the Bucks.
Who's the who's the most obvious selection today to marry
to a team right um, Like he's sitting out there.
Team has a need create the match that we're gonna

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see tonight. I want to say, Josh Jones the Houston
AFA to jack hole to the Cincinnati Mangles at thirty three.
But I think they want to get cute, maybe add
a wide receiver or a high potential defensive tackle. Like
Ross black Box, the bigger obvious one is Michael Pittman Jr.
The USC wide receiver six ft four, two ur and
twenty pounds, a lot of length, a lot of five

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to the Indianapolis Colts. They love length, they love size
and Indie and they need a wide receiver. They traded
their three teams overall pick for another guy with length,
the Forrest Buckner. But there's still in need maximizing a
window with the veteran quarterback in Philip Rivers. They only
got one year with this guy. Of course they could
resign him after this year, but t why Hilton is
not gonna be the only guy that gets done for

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Philip Rivers. I think adding Michael Pittman at pick three
four would be a huge move for the Colts. Yeah,
we'd be really interesting. I heard they were interested in
moving up for Jordan's love and that's one of the
reasons and the Packers moved to that spot. Hey man,
great stuff, you guys. Tell everybody at PF you guys
doing a great job. Austin Gale from Pro Football Focus,
thanks so much for joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
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I think one of the good things about our show
is and you tell them if I'm wrong. Ryan, Ryan's
in his late twenties, is Native Californian. Ramos is uh
the oldest of the group. Won't give away his age,
but he's also a native California, but a different age,
different perspective. I've lived all over native of California, but
I've only lived in California my adult life, uh five
years now, um and then uh, you know, so, I've

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lived in in Oklahoma, I've lived overseas. I've lived in
Connecticut with twelve twelve years, twelve years professionally. At twelve
of my years professionally, I've lived in Connecticut. You know.
Dan Buyer is a Seahawks fan who grew up in Wisconsin.
He's been in southern California most of his professional life.
But buyer, Um, what do you think of what the
pack okay music? What do you think of what the Packers?

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Did you know? At first look, I thought it was
a little curious that in this situation it does seem
like they are in the win now type of mode
where the way they've changed over the coaching staff, the
front office, they've sort of spent a lot of money
a couple of free agencies ago, and they got really

(01:29:41):
close to you know, NFC Championship game and whatnot. So
it was interesting. But I will admit the more you
and I talked before the show, I came around to
your viewpoint, which is I don't hate it. You know,
I don't hate it. I I understand it. I don't
know how good Jordan Love is, but the people I
talked to in the NFL are like, look, he's got
a lot of talent. He just he didn't have a

(01:30:01):
good year and um didn't have a good team around him.
Whoever drafts him, if he there's if if you can
stash him for a couple of years and have him
learn he could be really good because he can do
some things. The things that he does well, he can't
really teach. And most of the things he doesn't do well,
you can clean up. You can clean up. It's like

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I had this. I was we were discussing. I've had
a bunch of really interesting talks about quarterbacks, and I
was like, you know, Chad Pennington, why didn't he have
a better arm? Like, it's not because of the size size,
Like Chap Pennington is a big dude. I just didn't
have a good arm. Whereas Kyler Murray, it it goes
against what you think. We're physics, right, Kylamur is a
tiny little dude, but that ball just jumps out of

(01:30:44):
his hand, completely jumps out of his hands. Got just
unbelievable arm um. And so I think, you know, Jordan
loves an interesting story. This is a great opportunity for
Aaron Rodgers because if you go back to March, he said,
it doesn't matter. They brought guys in here before nobody's
beating out. Rogers has been vocal about Farve didn't treat
him great, and he said some you know, he called

(01:31:05):
far grandpa before they ever really knew each other. So
it's not all Brett Farve being a jerk. But in
addition to Aaron Rodgers getting a chance to be the
better guy than Farv was as a leader and a mentor.
And you guys know this Jordan love story about his
dad killed himself when he was fourteen years old. He
was playing basketball games. Dad was supposed to show up.

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He circled back, went back home, said he forgot something
after dropping off his sister at the game, and his
mom found him dead. And I guess his dad was
a cop and Baker's Field and had gone through some
issues with depression. Actually gone to mental health hospital, stayed there.
They felt like they got a handle of it. Just
a terrible story. But for a kid who had that

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sort of tragedy in his life and does not have
a father in his life, you have a chance to
a rod like you don't be the dad the kid,
but you can be a real big brother and there
can be an incredible bond in there. And whether or
not you're trained and be your error parent, be your apprentice,
or to be somebody else's like I don't I don't

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actually think Aaron Rodgers is ticked off about them having
another quarterback I really don't. I think Rogers, if he's
ticked off about something, he's like, look, we need we
need to continue to add better players. You got me
good running back. Finally, Aaron Jones is good. You know,
could you have gotten me the kid from l s
U who went to Kansas City. Yeah, that would have
been a little high to drafting, but he would have
been available with the charge where the Packers were originally picking.

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But there's other running backs that are available. If you
want a running back, there'll be other wide receivers. The
better wide receivers, the better offensive lineman, the better those
guys were all gone. You got to kind of hit
or miss. You gotta gotta hit her miss uh territory
where everybody's kind of the same, and they chose to
go quarterback. I don't. I don't think that's terrible. I

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just don't. I think I actually think Rodgers will treat
him great. I think that his issue is do we
have enough? Do we have enough? And you know, if
you remember when um, you know he they're basically kind
of a one wide receiver team for most of last season,

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you know that that was his that was his issue
with the team was in the in his mind, like,
do we have enough wide receivers? Considering think about last
year and think about what it looked like, um, when
he didn't have Davante Adams. You know, Alan Lazar is

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the second leading wide receiver. He had four seventy seven
yards receiving. You know, So look, Aaron Jones had a
great year thousand yards rushing, four d seventy yards receiving.
It was not like he's the best player in the league.
Could they use some running back help? Sure? Could they
use some wide receiving help. Sure? I think that's where

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his issue. It's not with the kid, and I think
he has a chance to create an incredible bond. And
I get what the package sitting there going, like, look,
we had a handoff from far to Rogers. What does
you can do far to Rodgers to love If that
happens in three years or four years, great, and Aaron
Rodgers might want to play, say he plays till he's forty,
but but so far, really, Tom Brady is the only

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one to do it well. And even Tom Brady has
begun slipping. Yes, Ryan, doesn't. It also feel like it's
hard to understand exactly what each player may want because
if you remember a couple of years ago when they
missed the playoffs and then they got rid of Mike
McCarthy and all that stuff. Remember how critical Aaron Rodgers

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was of you know, young wide receivers got to make
sure they give out effort in all of these different
comments being critical of young players, Like, I get it.
If you draft uh Odell Beckham Jr. And he's a
star right away, then it makes all the difference. But
it's like there's such a del kept balanced between As
you said, they were late in the first round, so
it wasn't like one of the top guys, you know,

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it's not like they could have had just like Jerry
Judy is sitting there, so they're like, okay, Well, in
the past, Aaron has been upset because we put too
many young players around him. So why would we then
use this pick on the sixth or seventh best wide
receiver in the draft and now give him another young
wide receiver or do we try and build for the

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future and he can just become more familiar with the
people who he already has played with one to two seasons.
Like I can understand where the Packers are coming from.
Where they're like dude, you've complained about having too many
wide receivers in the like too many young wide receivers
in the past. What does getting you another one at
the end of the round? What does that actually do?
It's like it's like being that's why you can't. You can't.

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What is it that the wolf can't doesn't worry about
what the sheep thinks? Right, And I don't think maybe
that analogy works for a quarterback, but you just can't.
We're gonna watch Sunday is gonna be the second and
the third and fourth episodes of the Last Dance, And
if there's a takeaway for it, like obviously didn't like
Jerry Krauss, Jerry Cross made a bunch of moves that

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Michael Jordan didn't like. Michael Woman didn't want to run
the triangle. It made his career. He didn't want to
trade away Charles Oakley. It made his career. You can
go through a bunch of these things. I mean, look,
Tom Brady, I'm sure there's plenty of moves that they
made in New England that made his career. It doesn't

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mean that every time. That doesn't mean you have to
be defiant. You gotta be defiant and and not call
the guy and not you know, give me a heads
up or involving. But players play, coaches, coach and general
managers picked the players, and you all gotta work together.
But you know, I, I you. You know, the front

(01:36:57):
office shouldn't have shouldn't have get the final call all
on what plays are called, just like the players shouldn't
get the final call on what players are selected. We
just got a little too far, Like look at the
Lebron James thing. Like Lebron James picked out. You know
at first he's hard to deal with anywhere he is

(01:37:19):
because he wants He won't tell you what he wants,
but I'll tell you based about his body language. Right,
He's gotta read his body language. Dude, I'm taking kids Cleveland.
The first time they left lost him. They've tried to
move heaven and earth to make him happy, the same
thing before, like they had to trade away Kyrie and

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that was the best that they could get at the time.
Everybody's saying Colby Alman is great. You know all these guys,
if you try and what is it, what is the
old Jerry Sloan? If you try and please the fans,
you end up becoming one of them sitting next to him.
So I do actually understand Aaron Rodgers is frustration. But

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let's not comment on what the Packers have done until
all seven rounds are done and see the final plan.
And oh yeah, by the way, this particular pick makes
total sense. It's it's worked for them in the past,
to a lesser extent, to a different extentding work for
I mean, it worked greater for the Chiefs. But Mahomes
is a much better prospect than Jordan's Love. The idea

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is Jordan's Love's gonna clean up a bunch of stuff.
Who better to learn from than Aaron Rodgers. Rogers cannot
play forever. I cannot play forever, Nor does does anybody
expecting to play forever? Um and so and and he.
You have to have a replacement plan in place. I

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find nothing wrong with what the Packers did. Be sure
to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. I'll take
a couple of teams. I liked Buyer. Uh, you know,
you get your Sunday show coming up, so you're gonna
be doing NFL draft stuff as well as getting us
ready for the Last Dance Episode three and four. Give

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me a team or two that stuck out to you
that you liked last night. A team that stuck out,
I mean, I think the Vikings. You know, I think
it's funny how we look at last season and how
it was and you were just talking about the Packers.
What one of the criticisms we actually had of green
Bay last season was that they didn't really play anybody
of significance that they beat. And while it's nice to say, hey,

(01:39:37):
this team was in the NFC Championship game, so we
really think that the gap between the fort in Green
Bay was that close. I mean, Niners dominated them on
both occasions. And I think you could say with Minnesota
that of losing to San Francisco the week before, where
they were pretty much dominated by San Francisco. When you
look at those two teams, you're saying, Okay, maybe the

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Vikings are trying to close that gap, and they didn't.
So I I mean, I like, I like what what
Minnesota was able to do. I think the drafting of
Kenneth Murray by the Chargers on the heels of justin
Herbert makes that defense even crazier. I mean, the Chargers
are gonna be an offensive team despite all their weapons,
that defense is going to be nuts. Like they have
got talent everywhere, and maybe the next year, maybe the

(01:40:19):
only time because you gotta pay a bunch of guys.
But I like what the Chargers did, not only getting
Herbert but the Murray pick after that? Wait, why why
do you think? Who do you think they'll lose? I
mean that's the Bosta contracts canna be really interesting. Yeah,
and you Ingram who but they already paid him. He's honestly,
you can't pay every You can't pay everybody, don't you can't.
But but but right now, their quarterback, their starting quarterbacks

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gonna make seven point five million, and I don't know
what what what Herbert will make at at six, but
it's not crazy crazy money, Like I kind of think
they're gonna be pretty good. Like unless you're paying your
quote now, you're paying your quarterback thirty that's one thing,
so I think, And they're not paying Uh, they'll probably
draft a running back tomorrow. Maybe they slide in the

(01:41:03):
third round and get one today. I'm very very doubtful.
Um but yeah, they're gonna pay Hunter Henry. I just
don't think, you know, they're gonna have to pay top
of the market Keenan. Allen only makes nine million, they'll
probably redo him his deal as well. Uh, Mike Williams
when he comes up, he'll command a pretty pay day.
Maybe that's the guy who they end up eventually having

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to move on from. I think actually Mike Williams may
take Keenan Allen spot. I mean, if Allen's in the
last year of his deal, they're gonna try, and they're
gonna try and rework Keenan's deal. So I mean, I
I just I also don't think that Keenan is gonna
gonna command the twenty million top of the market type stuff.
I could be wrong. And he's had a lot, a

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lot of injuries, and they've they you know, and and
he's he's under market value right now. But i'd bet
you know they've done he's done to LESCo has done
a good job. It's they're kind of one of those
sneaky teams. There are a lot like the Browns in
that I think a lot of people are in the league,
Like you know, they get a really good roster you know.
And I think the Chargers are another one of those

(01:42:05):
teams that they if you if last year, they just
last year they lost all those closed score game. Their
quarterback sucked. That's just they had a but not having
Derwin James, offensive line injuries and the quarterback turning the
football up and didn't have Melvin Gordon half the half
the season. Um. But if you look at from the
remember they had the awful what owen five start or

(01:42:26):
whatever two years ago and they nearly turned around and
made the playoffs. You know, that year and a half
it started to show and they've continued to accumulate talent.
They have a ton of talent. I agree with you.
It will be interesting to see how much you know,
I I liked what what San Francisco did right. They
lost uh uh, what's the the force Buckner and then

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they go replace him with a guy might not you know, young,
might not be as good, but cost them, you know,
save them twenty million dollars that they can go and spend.
Otherwise they go and get Brandon Ayouk because they lose
Emmanuel Sanders to free agency, who they got on a rental.
Do all I these the good Organs, the teams that
have been consistently good, and I actually think the Chargers

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have been pretty consistently competitive. They were disappointing last year. Um,
but like the Niners, Niners got, Niners are going to
be as good or better. I agree, totally agree with
you in the Vikings. And I'll tell you a team
that I like. I like the Cowboys. I like what
the Cowboys do. I do. I think they need defense, yes,
but they need a safety. And none of those safeties

(01:43:28):
were first round guys. If they were first round guys,
you know what, somebody would have been done taking them
in the first round. Ceedee Lamb. Everyone believes is gonna
be a good wide receiver. Great, I don't know. But
you just keep getting good players and skill positions when
your offensive line is set, and I think you're in
a pretty good spot. So it's not like they passed
on Chase Young or Rokuda, right. They passed on some linebackers,

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but they already have their two linebackers young linebackers they
have in their contract. They're good. I think with the Cowboys,
how interesting would it have been if dex If Cooper
was the last one to have his deal done. And
let's say there was a franchise take situation and they
had Dak on the contract, right, that's where they kind
of screwed up. I think they overpaid him, Mary Cooper.

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But but here, here's the bigger thing. Tell me the
rookie wide receiver that's come in and made huge plays
him in a leading wide receiver for a playoff or
superl team, there's it's never happened. It's never happened, right,
that literally never happened. So, I mean, like Deebo Samuel
was really good for the Niners last year. But he
was good because they used him, you know, on those

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end a rounds they used to be as a running back.
They would throw to them, they use them all over.
But Emmanuel Sanders was there, was there, big, big playmaker.
Why he's their veteran. Like, you need a couple of
years before you really explode on the scene. And so
this idea that some people have, like the Packers, like, oh,
you draft a rookie wide receiver, those guys aren't gonna
light up the world. It takes a couple of years
before you figure it out. Yeah, I thought, you know,

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and saying that, I thought Deebo Samuel was probably the
best wide receiver on the forty ns at the end
during that stretch. But yeah, to your point, and the
point about the Chargers was this is you've got a
lot of guys to make a decision on with the
South that that are that are making a lot of money,
so you can't pay everyone of So what the point was,

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They're not going to be the offensive team that they
have been for the past fifteen years in my mind
because of how good that defense is. The signings of
a Chris Harris Jr. And a Lynnville Joseph May all
also make that window of this next year or two
be very important. Anybody who you thought, like, what the
hell are they doing? Um, I mean, I do have
questions about Green Bay and in what they are, But

(01:45:38):
again that that wasn't as they're not as close to
San Francisco as they may believe. The Seahawks, I you know,
I just it's the same old, same old, And maybe
because it's closer to my heart, I thought, geez, you
know this again, I was surprised that Tristan Worth's fell
so far. But everybody had their own love of of
who they you know, had with the tackle, I thought,
Derek Brown at seven for for the Panthers was a

(01:46:01):
steel Yeah, it was out of his steel was I
agree with you? A really really good pick, right. I
actually liked Isaiah Wilson to the Titans. Not because I
think he's a great right tackle, but he's a maller
And how how do the Titans want to play? They
want to hand the ball off to Derrick Henry, right,
they want to mall you with their running back and
with their offensive line and that all Like he's six seven,
three fifty. He's the clearly the second best of the

(01:46:22):
two tackles at Georgia, but a really really good one
for how they want to play. I think that absolutely positively,
uh absolutely tough positively fits them. Coming up next, we'll
hear more from from from Dan Buyer, the best wide
receiver who was drafted last night. I will tell you next.
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When we get you caught up in all the stories today,
we do so with the press. Dan Byo, what he got, Doug,
We got a combo of kind of the press in
our game time from Psychic earlier today. But looking back
on last night when it came to wide receivers, who
do you think made out best in taking a wide

(01:47:06):
out in the first round? There were six taken in
last night's first round. Uh well, I mean, I do
think the Cowboys did well with with with ceedee lamb um.
But if I was going to pick the best, I
mean and I think the Niners did well to getting
Brandon new Yuk out of out of Arizona State. To
me though the best and I don't necessarily think it

(01:47:27):
was um it was that much of reach. Jerry Judy
to the bron I thought the Broncos did the best.
You know, just a really clean route runner, good player,
He's gonna be solid. I'm not sure there's a superstar
wide receiver in this draft. You know. The Rugs is uh,
you know, Ruggs is a what's what's the what's the term?

(01:47:48):
When you have a guy who's up, he's a nice addition.
He's just not a go he just he just goes fast.
A compliments or yeah, he's a complimentary player. He's not
a you don't build around him. Uh, I think Lamb
and Judy feel like long time, really good wide receivers
more so than anybody else. Tom Pella Sero the NFL

(01:48:10):
network reporting that the Bengals are now listening to offers
for the top pick in the second round. Colts will
pick second uh in the second round tonight. That pick
also thought to be up for grabs. I just want
to add that in there. What did you think from
last night's draft will be kept broadcast wise, which, by
the way, highest ratings ever for an NFL draft that
was televised fifteen point six million average viewers last night.

(01:48:34):
But what elements do you think will be utilized in
future drafts that we saw last night? I think players
being in their homes, the parents, their own homes and
their parents. I think that'll be a you know, that'll
be a big thing. I wouldn't be surprised. I know
they like the players coming up on stage. I don't
know if that gets capped more or if they they
just like the aspect of them being with their families.
I think that's a great thing because, like, you're not

(01:48:56):
getting to the NFL without the help, without the help
and support of everybody around you, right, Um, I don't.
I don't know how you mandate it, but I think
it's there's an easy way, like, look, we're gonna put
a camera in your home, and you know, ten people
are less in your home, and that's our deal. I
think these some of these other shows, they had a
digital show where you had eyes in and you had
a bunch of Hollywood types and football stars those ones. Last.

(01:49:19):
I don't think you have the commissioner from his basement.
I don't think you have Wingo in a studio by himself.
I do like the idea of having like a six
box to where you can go around and get different
opinions and not have to have him at a desk. Remember,
the original plan was to boat picks like at the
Bellaggio pond. They were gonna take them and like, what

(01:49:42):
are we doing here? I don't know if that'll be
around in two when it goes back to Las Vegas. Alright,
Moving on Doug. Some more news from the National Football
League a report from CBS Sports as some of the
NFL are miffed over interactions between Tom Brady and the
team's coaching staff. The report some teams feel that the
interaction violates NFL rules about contact prior to the offseason program.

(01:50:06):
Think a penalty is coming. No, No, you know you
just dude, just you can find out where he's been.
Just get his cell phone and you know, go look
through his text And I'm kidding, I'm the good He
quite obviously wants to connect with his new coaches and
get acclimated. I mean, I don't think this is a

(01:50:29):
real crime. It's fine. The more news from the National
Football League, Deshaun Watson apparently gonna get some talks in
the Houston Texans on a contract extension. That's from Edward
or Old Buddy uh Now back at ESPN. This on
the heels of Laramie Tunzel getting his contract extension. Warder
says that the Texans now focused on talking with Deshaun Watson. Yeah.

(01:50:51):
I mean that was part of the deal. Was he
knew he had to you know, he had to pay
Laramie Tunsil. He knew he had to pay to Shaun Watson.
And I mean, God bless Larmie Tunzel. He got way
up of market value and he negotiated the deal himself,
so there's no agent fees. Deshaun Watson's did the same thing.
Fire's representation immediately and save all that money. And look,
I think it's pretty obvious what he's doing. He's buying loyalty.

(01:51:12):
And there I did this for you, buying loyalty. Many
NFL reports that I've seen on Twitter quoting NFL sources
of saying this is why Bill O'Brien needed to get
a contract extension done with Tounzil before he even traded
for him, because now we just extremely overpaid for him
because you you felt like you had to keep him

(01:51:32):
because of what you gave up. On the other hand,
you wanted to know, like, wait, why are the Miami
Dolphins trading this guy away? You want to see and
work with him and and think he's the real deal.
So I I think there's that sounds good. But if
you haven't worked with a guy before and you want
to see him in person, it's a completely different thing.
In the midst of the hype over the Bulls documentary,
ESPN reports that a similar documentary was in the works

(01:51:55):
as a film crew followed Kobe Bryant and the Lakers
during his last season. Yeah, Kobe told me that, and
I thought it had come out. He had for his
last season, for his last game when he had sixty points.
They had they had a ton of cameras throughout the arena.
He he told me, like, there's a plan for his
spectacular so and Kobe everything he did. Kobe did big

(01:52:15):
and there was and obviously it'll be um the more
recent action will be in high def and it'll feel
more real and more recent. You know. One of the
things about the Jordan Bulls thing is it doesn't feel
like that long ago, and then you realize how long
ago was. You know, even then the early stuff where
you're like, well, they would have been one of the
seven teams not to make the playoffs, Like seven teams.

(01:52:37):
Oh yeah, that was before the heat and the Hornets
and all those other teams kind of came. The thunder
came came to be. How a great weekend. Enjoy the
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