May 14, 2020 • 36 mins
Doug gives you the story about trade rumors regarding Russell Wilson and why his time in Seattle could be coming to an end. He also reacts to Rays P Blake Snell’s comments about returning to live games during the pandemic and why he doesn’t have to apologize. Plus, former NBA head coach George Karl joins the show to discuss his time coaching against Michael Jordan.
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of the Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Saw
this story. Chris Simms, who joins us usually weekly on
The Doug Gotlip Show, said that the Browns and the
Seahawks discussed the possibility of trading Russell Wilson for at
least the number one overall pick. Mike Florio added this
by saying some were close enough to the situation to
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know what may have happened, believed that Wilson eventually will
be traded in intriguing destinations in would include in our view,
the Cowboys, the Raiders, and the Saints. Okay, the Saints.
The draw there is quite obviously Sean Payton, the cow
Boys is the biggest brand in the sport, and the
Raiders are in Vegas and his wife as a performer.
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I would point out that, Uh, we'll give credit where
it's due. Colin Cowherd talked about it like a year
ago that Russell Wilson doesn't want to be in Seattle
because market size, wife not happy there. Right. But here's
the thing that I want you to realize. I was
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listening to Colin Cowherd for three hours defend how great
a player Russell Wilson is. Find somebody who loves you
the way that Cowherd loves Russell Wilson. Right, And I
think Russell Wilson is awesome backyard football at the end
of the game, every Seahawk game looks the same. It's close,
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it's not as high scoring as you think. Even if
they're overmatched, they can find a way to put it
in Russell Wilson's hands and see if he can dig
him out of the hole. Like right, for most of
the last season, I defended Russell Wilson ahead of Lamar Jackson.
I would I would say that Russell Wilson it was
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more invaluable to his team on the field than even
Lamar Jackson. Not the Lamar Jackson didn't command and was
didn't play great, But that was a really good football team,
well built offensive line, tremendous running game. They got three
tight ends because you know he needs a good catch radius.
He got the best kicker. And for the style that
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they played, defense, kicking game, offensive line, it all works together.
The Seahawks have a wildly flawed roster. They haven't had
an offensive line in years. They tried to rebuild the
legion of boom kicking games, hit or miss uh the
They lost all three of their top three running backs
to season ending injuries and still found a way to
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make the playoffs and at least be marginally competitive on
the road against the Green Bay Packers. In terms of value,
I don't think there are many human beings on earth
who could do for their team what Russell Wilson did
for his That said, that said the reason, and I
know this for a fact, this is not the reason
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Aaron Rodgers doesn't like Russell Wilson. The reason Richard Sherman
didn't like Russell Wilson is not because either of them
think you can't play. It's because both of those dudes,
no matter how flawed you think their personalities are, they
are real dudes. Right. I don't agree with all Richard
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Sherman's He's blocked me on Twitter, like, I don't unders
agree with some of his comments, but that is a
real dude, from the hood to Stanford to All Pro,
Pro Bowl, Super Bowl like hall of Famer. The second
he retires in five years, he'll be a Hall of Famer.
But more than anything, he talks to talk, he walks
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the walk. He is the real, authentic deal. He will
look in the eye and tell you I just don't
like you, and there's not much you can do about
it because he doesn't. He's not gonna fake it, Aaron Rodgers.
What Aaron Rodgers gets accused of is being too honest,
too real. All right. You know, well he didn't really
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dig his new head coach because his new head coach
didn't exactly come with great credentials, and he was running
a copy of an offense that isn't necessarily quarterback dependent.
So yeah, he's challenging some ideas there right this this
this this offseason, he did a podcast in which he
talked about essentially being an atheist, unapologetically. Right, you have
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all these other guys who will will fake it because
it's easier to fake it. Being real could be hard
to lose friends or lose acquaintances that act like they're
your friends. Not not Aaron Rodgers, not Russell Wilson. Those
are not not Not Rodgers, not Richard Sherman. Those are
real dudes. Russell Wilson, something else there. It doesn't mean
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he's not a super talent, but he's a politician, you know,
it just is And that's okay. There's a lot of
those guys in sports. There's a lot of guys that
want to portray an image that is much easier for
you to like. But the idea that that they thought
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about trading him, that someone leaked the story to Cowherd,
that he wants out, that others are saying the trades
of possibility when it makes no sense right when on
the surface, it would make no no sense at all
that Seattle would trade Russell. Why would you ever trade
Russell Wilson that dude single handedly seems to win you games.
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Because there's gotta be more to it. Maybe he wants
out and they're kind of tired of him wanting out
and they have trouble with eyes buying into Russell Wilson
because people don't think he's real makes sense. Again, this
is not saying that Russell Wilson is a bad guy.
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He's just not the guy that he wants you to
believe that he is. And no one can spot a
phony better than an athlete, because they've been recruited several
times in their life. Once they reached any sort of
start him at a young age, in high school or
in college, everybody wants a piece of them, and they
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start to figure out the world a lot easier as
to who's real and who's phony. I find that that athletes,
you know, they've been through a lot in their lives,
and they can appreciate any sort of background, any sort
of diverse thinking, as long as you don't hide it,
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as long as you don't pretend to be something you're not.
And my my sense of Russell Wilson is not that
he's a bad guy, but that no one thinks they
actually know Russell Wilson because all he talks about is
the twelve and Seattle and how much he loves it
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there and this and that the other thing. And yet
behind the scenes he's telling people who he wants out
and they've actually offered him up for trade, which, by
the way, only points out also the stupidity and dysfunction
within the Cleveland Browns. Do you want to trade Russell
Wilson to Cleveland? Tell me how, let's get it done.
Number one overall pick, which you hope right that case
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was Baker Mayfield, which you hope maybe with a little luck,
could end up being a quarter as good as Russell
Wilson is as a player. I'm not sitting here tell
you Russell Wilson's a bad guy. I'm not telling you
he's a bad player. He's a phenomenal player. He's amazing,
kind of revolutionize the sport. An athletic, undersized quarterback who
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can make all the plays throwing the football in and
out of the pocket, especially out of the pocket on
the move. Nobody sets their feet and has that kind
of whip and torque coming off that out of their
arm like Russell Wilson. Nobody. But when enough guys tell
you like it, I don't think he's real. When the
team is talking about trading him and he's leaking out
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that don't love being here. That ain't what everybody perceives
him to be. And I would say that's the rub
with so many guys that have played with him in Seattle.
Why don't you love Russell Wilson. That's why I could
love him if I just knew who he really was.
All Right, we got a lot to get to here.
On that Golic Show, Um, Dalton Rise, Dalton Rising is
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gonna join us from He's a Broncos offensive lineman. They
have some dudes in Denver, Dudes. He's a talented young
offensive lineman. Have you seen what Denver is doing skill
position wise? George Carl is gonna join us at one
in the West, four on the East. George Carl, who
Michael Jordan claims that before Game one of the NBA
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Finals snubbed him in a restaurant? Did that happen last?
George Carl and my boy Brandon Wheten joins us what
it's really like behind the scenes as a quarterback and
how can can you be real or do you have
to be what corporate America wants you to be as
a quarterback in the NFL. Be sure to catch the
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live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three
p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in
the I Heart Radio a app. I don't blame Blake
Style because he's only been a professional athlete. This idea
that a professional baseball players like, look, I signed a
contract I should get Like, buddy, we're in a pandemic.
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Thirty six million people are out of work. Those are
great Depression era numbers. And it has happened like that.
So I know you live in the athlete bubble. Look,
I live in a sports world bubble. I understand that.
And I've been very blessed in my life to not
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have had to be the traditional media guy and make
you know, twenty grand work in a local radio station
and writing you know, you know, a couple hundred bucks
to write a newspaper column, you know, once a week
like that. That's not my I've lived a very blessed life.
I started out with nothing. We got something, but I
still had the perspective of I live a blessed life.
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This idea, the mistake that he made is like you said, hey, man, wait,
already took a pay cut. Now there might be less
and I'm getting taxed, Yo, what's up with that? That's
it's a valid point. Here's the opposite side. A lot
the people in the real world, rather losing their job
or getting furload, like man, let's furload. You don't get paid.
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The good news is you get to stay on insurance
while you're not getting paid and you don't have to work,
but you can't actually go anywhere. And a lot of
us who are working are taking voluntary pay cuts. I
saw one of our competitors where they announced like that
they're taking voluntary pay cuts. I actually know how that works.
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There's nothing voluntary about the pay cut. Oh you know what, here,
here's back more of the money that I had planned
on making. Like now, anyway, it works, but look, we
all get it. It sucks. But what level of suck
is it? Right? Because the end of the day, you're
still a professional baseball player. You're still gonna be able.
At some point your wages will go back to the
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normal level. The rest of us are gonna be left
picking up the shrapnel of like, all right, what's the
new world looked like? Does my job still exist? And look,
at some point you need to play games again. And
I'm sorry, but we can't pay the same amount if
we can't put people in the stands, which, by the way,
goes into direct conflict with the other part of his statement,
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which is like you get the rhona. I got the
Rona for life. So here's this, here's the decision. Like
we all make decisions and then you have to own them.
Decision one is don't play. My safety is paramount, which
you're allowed to. I would disagree with it, and I
would say the numbers tell you that you're gonna be fine.
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Numbers tell you that you're gonna be finding his age,
in his physical condition, with his insurance, he the likelihood
that he either even gets the rona let alone is symptomatic,
and that it affects him more so than a bad
version of the flu. You're talking about the smallest infant
infantest smile infintestimal percentage. But you don't play. That's okay,
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But you know what you can't do if you don't play.
You can't expect to get paid for services not rendered. Now,
if your complaint is over the level of compensation, that's fair, hey,
but you also have to take into account that, hey, dude,
we've missed half the season. We can't pay you for
a season that hasn't been played. We can't pay you
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for a season that doesn't have fans. We can't We
might not even be able to pay you for a
season that has broadcast games and could have Sky high
TV numbers. But here's the crazy thing about the TV numbers.
There's not the advertising dollars to correlate with those TV
numbers because advertisers don't have that much money. Because all
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of the basic advertisers like, look, we'd love to spend
on advertising. People are watching TV. But outside of you know,
food and beverage and pick up stuff, you know, outside
of Coco Bell and Chippotle and you know, other stuff
that you go order in the mail, lots of we
don't have money. We're trying to save money, and instead
of firing people, we cut our our marketing budget. So
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but but here's the here's the bigger part. Does he
contradict himself? Yes, does he sound a little bit spoiled? Sure,
But I think all of that is reasonable. I think
all of these things are reasonable. Quarantine makes guys some
people freak out right, like you're a workout guy like
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I am, and you can't work out, you just you know.
But the lack of understanding for where where the world
is in terms of uh financial stuff, bro, I don't
I don't know if you looked around, but taking a
pay cut is not the worst thing in the world.
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In comparison to what thirty six million people are going through.
You know, dude, Like, listen, we got people at our
jobs that are getting that are are told, hey, you
can't come to work for a couple of weeks. Back
the weeks you're gonna take off and we're not gonna
pay you. Like, no, no, I want to go to work.
No, no no, you can't come to work because we just
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like it's bad. I just pull your head out of
the the backside and look around. Just having a job
is a good thing. Getting paid, even if it's a
little bit less or substantially less than you were gonna
get paid, but still getting paid for a job you're
not actually doing that. You gotta pay taxes on it.
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That's called being a citizen. That's called you do you
do you like the roads? Do you like the cops?
Do you like the fact that when people have lost
their jobs, they're able to collect whether it's you know,
unemployment or welfare or p p P or whatever. Guess
where that money comes from? You know. So, oh, it
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may not be working great right now, but it's it's
worked for like over two hundred years, this sort of system,
and we adjust and we evolve please don't be that
guy who's so obtuse to what's going on the rest
of the world. But again, I don't have to apologize,
just to kind of take a breath and realize he's
in a much better place than most people. Be sure
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to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. George carl
has has uh Furious George is a great book that's
out there. Of course, he's been a he's been a commentator,
uh covering the NBA. He's been a longtime NBA head coach.
He's kind of have to spend some moments with this
year on the Doug Golip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Coach,
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how are you? I'm good again the summer starts. Um,
I've a fair fair enough look. You're a guy who's
had you've had health issues in the past. Like first
and most important question, how is your health under quarantine
with with the coronavirus going around? I'm good. I'm a
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little bored. I'm you know, uh, quarantine is. I'm a
little more social than I than I guess most people are.
And I'm missing on my golf times and my meeting
from watching the game in the bar and during a
beer and talking to It's not on all the coaches
in town that we get together once in a while,
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and there are a lot of the is a lot
of ABA alumni here that we get together. We got
we He's done a couple on by Zoom, but it's
not the same. No, no, no, not good good all right,
good good um okay, So take me back to your
getting ready to play the Bulls in the finals. Most
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important thing. Where is this dinner where you supposedly brushed
off Michael Jordan's Yeah, my recollection is it was in Seattle.
His recollection, I think's recollection was it was in Chicago. Uh,
you know, basically it comes down to his Doug you
know back then that you know I told my team
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a day or two before the playoffs started, no socializing,
no Friday night is even with Michael when nobody on
the Bulls. I don't want I don't want to see
you out to dinner or going to the lines, you're
playing golf. I don't want to see you doing any
of that. Because Michael has a d n A that
he likes to take those things and use them to
his advantage. My recollection was in Seattle when when we
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were down too and I didn't really want to talk
to Michael anyways. And then the question I have is
didn't he stiff me too? Couldn't have he walked over
to my table, you know, so I know he's the king,
and I should have run over and said hello and
in a way. But you know, I've been with Michael
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ten times since then, and he's never mentioned it to me.
I'm odd was actually I played golf of them on
in time and it never got and it's never been
in my radar that I was the stimulus or to
elevate him to beating us. But I don't know. You know,
I think there's playing in the NBA finals, playing in
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the NBA final first time without your father, and knowing
you might play on father's name. I think those are
pretty good things that would probably motivated Michael to be
even at a higher level of intensity and anger and
aggressiveness to be successful. George Carl joining us in the
Doug Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. What was the
game plan going into the series. Well, you know, most
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of the time, it was the you know, when I think, Doug,
you might remember when Seattle, we did a lot of switching,
and we did a lot of double teams. So any
time that we failed, we could get a really good
double team on him and taking roles and or post
ups and or isolation situations, we double them. Other than
that we were going to rotate or our responsibility, he's
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on them and then save Gary. The thing we said
it was we'll save Gary for the end of the
game or and the end of the series. Well, Game
one we got beat by seventeen, so there wasn't an
end of game. Game two was a close game, and
Gary played him a lot in the last couple of
minutes of that game at the end of the game.
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Dame three game too for people to remember Game two,
that was when Gary was guarding him and you threw
a double team Adam Late and it was Steve Kerr
that hit the big backbreaking shot, wasn't it It was?
It was yeah, Um, but you know, the three pointer
didn't have as much influence, even though they made more
threes in the series than we did. Um. The thing
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comes down to it was a defensive series. They were
a great defensive team, and I think we were a
damn good defensive team. And most of the games when
we lost was we couldn't score, you know, we couldn't
get a flow and get a rhythm to the game everything.
You know, And you know how in the seven game series,
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what plays are working the next game are usually taken
away from working because the teams prepare for it. And
by game six, you know, we're running place for Hercy Hawkins,
who we never ran place for, you know, just to
try to get some type of rhythm or find the
matchup that could be successful at a higher percentage than
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we were getting. And you know, and the one thing
I would look when I look back on that series
is named McMillan. Garry Peyton, what's the heart of our team?
He was the energy He was our energy bunny. He
was our anger guy. You know, we didn't always like
how he did it, but he lifted us. The guy
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that was the soul of our team was named McMillan.
He was the guy that gave his confidence. He was
the guy that guided us. He was the coach on
the floor are He was totally unselfish. He was the
guy that made us feel feel really good. He played
Game four in Game five, we won both games and
I think we actually played better than Chicago and both
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those games. And again, I just wish we would have
had a series that we we actually had Nate to
play because the name Nate, Nate was kind of our
our guy that we really are group guys. You know,
he's a guy that brought us together. You know, it's
it's it's fascinating to Again, part of this is George
carl our guest in the doug Otlip Show. Part of
it is, as you're pointing out, without saying as much,
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you do wish there was a little bit better maybe
basketball perspective um of how it's presented right like um, Like,
I think it's interesting that you know, with the like
the Kerr shot was not mentioned in talking about that series.
That was a huge backbreaking shot because all you got
to get is one game in Chicago and it's a
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totally different You get one out of two and you
had a legit shot in game two. Um. But I
I also think that no one pointed out that Jordan
used to live at the free throw line, Like, yes,
the game was more physical, but he used to live.
He shot was a ten, eleven and sixteen free throws
in the first three games. And one of the reasons
you want to keep Gary Payton offen was especially in Chicago.
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He's gonna get in foul trouble and you you gotta take
him out of the game. All right. No, the two SIPs,
the two stats that beat us with free throws and rebounds.
Michael shot for the series, shot like thirty six percent
the last three or four games this series. Uh, he
had some average games. He didn't play at a high
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standard every game. And the one thing, we lose game
three because of trout. You know, if we had sleep
sleep deferation, we were. We played in Chicago on a
Friday night, lost game Tree honest Friday night, probably gone
an air of playing around twelve thirty, hoping to get
back to Seattle. Round two. Well, we hit a snowstorm
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and Billings had to refuel. We didn't get back. I
didn't get to bed until like five thirty six o'clock
when the next game is Sunday at twelve thirty. So
we had to practice on on Saturday. So Chicago is
going to bed after the game feeling good. They probably had.
I walked through some sweater around ten or eleven May
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probably twelve and caught a playing at three or four.
We go to bed at five or six, and I
don't know when we had practice, probably around two or
three or something like that. And then we played at
twelve thirty and we came out flat. We came out flat.
We had an awful game, couldn't score Michael. That was
the one game Michael got loose and had I think
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thirty seven or thirty eight and we got down three oh.
And all we had to do now is fight for
our pride and character of saving the season by by fighting.
And our team did, I mean our most I would
say most teams down in three oh team has won championships.
And they have Michael Jordan. They lay down. They might
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have given in, they might have thrown it in in. We didn't.
And and then game six, you know, we couldn't make
a shot and it was a totally defensive game. I
think it was the seventy five or something like that,
and it was I mean, you go back and watch
that game. The three ball actually is really important in
that game because they make like five or six in
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the second half and uh and we lose this Serias.
So yeah, they were they were a little they were
a little ahead of the time in terms of having
hybrid players, right, they had a lot of length, especially
you know that that second wave when they had Harper
Ron Harbrew could guard anybody, right he had he had
transitioned in his career. Dennis Robin Kuld guard any buddy,
Jordan could guard anybody. Pipp And could guard any buddy.
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Coo Coach wasn't a great defensive player, but he was
so big he could at least be a presence like
they had. They were they were long and range before
long and range was was was really in vogue. Um,
I guess here's here's my question. Um, how do you think,
as a former coach in the NBA that's dealt with
all sorts of personalities, how do you think Pippen comes
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off well? Pepper has a cloud over his head because
of the game. I mean, I mean I talked to
someone in a couple of days ago about it. It
will never go away, you know, you know, saying no
to your coach and kind of saying no to cup
coach taking the last shot, I mean, I mean and
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and the and the shot goes in, Yeah, the ultimate
I mean it just doesn't. I mean, but then but then,
but coach coach. He didn't. He didn't say like he said,
I wish it would involve happened. But then he said,
if I had the chance, I probably would have done
it again, Like why would like, really, more than twenty
years later, you wouldn't think, you know, I wish I
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would have just just gone in and run the play and
Tony would have hit the shot. Never, you know, Like
I was stunned that while he owned it, with more
than twenty years to think about it, he didn't say
I shouldn't have done it. Yeah. I think that passiveness
of being definitive and just admitting to your vulnerability. And
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we all did stupid things in our lives that we all,
you know, deep downside, we wish we wouldn't have done.
But I love Scotty Tibn as a player. You know,
people you know says, you know, I thought Scotty Pepper
was the top five six players when he started playing
in that in in that series. I think he's specially
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placed both ends of the court. Is a point guard
at point forward or wherever you're playing. He has point
guard mentality. Ah, he's long as hell, and you know
he has a pride in playing defense, probably more so
than Michael at the end of his career him. Last thing,
you pointed out that the story that was told about
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you with the with the Dinner was like nobody even
brought it up. That kind of feels like a narrative
for the series, which is that Jordan's still trying to
settle scores even now. Do you think that that should
affect how we think of him and how we how
we perceive Michael Jordan after watching these documentaries, Um, you know, dog,
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it's hard for me to you know, Michael Jordan's You
can argue there and maybe some players that can play
on his level, but there is no one with his
talent and his the man to play with intensity, focus
and when it all costs no one. I've never competed
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against it by a guy more competitive than Michael Jordan's
both on the golf course, playing poker and playing basketball.
I mean, the man it was driven and he never
took her day off. I mean every every day he
has it in his life. I think I think he
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just loves competition. Yeah, it's really George carl Our guest
on the Doug Gottli Show on Fox Sports Radio. When
you watch your old team and what kind of when
you think back, Um, what what does it? What does
that feel like now twenty some odd years removed from
the NBA finals. Well, I've been, you know, in this
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pandemic mentality. I've been watching a lot of my my
playoff games, and what it tells me is the game
has changed. I mean it is a dynamic, different game. Uh.
And and I think they are more athletes and better players.
Is faster players and more quicker players because the game
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now is more into quickness and and to be able
to go someplace with the ball. As we're back then
it was execution that plays, understanding responsibilities of like you
know of one on one play and isolation play and
you know, and movement. You know. And I think it's
just a dynamic. I mean, today's game is about fast,
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low rhythm pace. That game is about execution, focus on defense,
don't give them second possessions, low possession game. I mean,
it's a dynamic. It's it's completely different. Yeah, I mean
they look and the guys, we can people can point
out what they don't like about the new generation of player.
They are so skilled at shooting the basketball, passing the
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basketball like it's really I mean, I I'm not sure
there's enough healthy respect for how skilled the new generation
is at at making shots? Is that? Is that? Is
that fair? I'm gonna disagree with you. I agree with
you maybe on shooting, but I don't think today's game
is a better passing game fair enough. I think they're
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more individualists, and I don't know if you want to
use individualists and the next stage it's selfish. I think
there are more people searching down shots and points than
being a guy that makes other people better? And which
which is what made which? Was makeing Lebron different? I think?
But it made Bird different, It made Jordans different. I mean, obviously,
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Magic and Bird those they were the two. They were
the two best at making other people better, making lifting
up entire franchises. Go Why why in the conversation, I
don't know, I don't know, I don't I don't know
what's happened where all of a sudden and Bird the
same way? I mean? And you tell me if I'm wrong.
As far as Bird like Larry Burton, Magic Johnson were
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the two best players in the league and change the
league forever. For a decade, they were the two best
for a decade. They were the two best. And and
I know, but you have. And maybe it's because Magic,
in his magic way, said he's the greatest Laker ever.
No he's not. Magic was the greatest laker ever. Right,
Magic was Magic was must see TV. He was amazing, amazing.
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Um and Bird much the exact same way. Oh Magic,
I mean when Magic was on, you got no chance.
I mean he could beat you with the points, he
could beat you with his his passing, he could reach
you with just the energy he brought to the game.
I just don't understand that we talked about Kobe without Magic. No,
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you can't do that. Yeah, I'm I'm completely with you.
I'm glad you brought that up. I am one of
the younger generation that was taught a healthy respect for
Bird and for Magic. Thanks much for joining's coach called
a real a real honor and a pleasure. Thank you do.
Have a good day, man. Fox Sports Radio has the
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listen live. Pro Football Focus released their list of top
players from two thousand ten to two thousand twenty. Last
the Decade Team. Rob Gronkowski ranked five. Here's PFF analyst
Sam Munsen on the Herd explaining the high ranking. I mean,
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the injuries and the hobbling. Those are the things that
prevented him being number one or number two in this list.
Like Rob Gronkowski, there are a few players that had
his consistent level of just absolute peerless dominance throughout the decade.
He was as good as the best receiving tight ends
in the NFL, guys like Jimmy Graham that never blocked
at all throughout the decade. Gronk was every bit the
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match of those guys and did it for longer. And
then he was as good as a blocker as guys
that were on the roster just for that role, you know,
blocking specialist tight ends who were earning a living for
sixteen games going out there and Baski playing auxiliary tackle.
Gronk was as good as those guys were at just blocking.
So you put those two things together and he was
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this ultimate matchup weapon that nobody could deal with because
they didn't have players that could be good in both
facets of the game. You're right, the injuries, they were,
they were a problem. They were the thing that pulled
him down. But that's what's stopping him from going down
as being like literally one of the best players to
ever play in the game, let alone a top five
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guy in the decade. I've never felt better without myself
than I do right at this very very moment. For
the last many months has been I don't even know
what month, this is. The last four or five months,
UM Niner fan football guy. UM has tried to crush
me because I said George kill is not really a blocker.
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And what people have taken that to me and is
George Kittle can't or dozen't block. That is not my
point at all. The question was asked me by Cowherd
about where we were talking, what was the discussion about
Rob Gronkowski, And what Sam Munson points out is exactly
how it's been described to me by NFL gms. Look,
the ten best blocking tight ends. You have never heard
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their name. You don't know who they are. They're basically
slightly slimmer guys that can catch that are They're just
tackles that occasionally go out in a pattern, but for
the most part they're a uh sixth offensive lineman. Right.
Gronk was as good a blocker as those guys now.
Kittle as a purely a pass catcher has shown the
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desire to be a good blocker. He's a really good
block right, getting down the field and getting on a
body and if he gets done to getting on the
next guy. But like, you can't leave George Kittle one
on one with one of the best defensive ends in
the NFL. It's not what he does right. Gronk, on
the other hand, was alignment as a blocker and then
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as effective as Kittle as a pass catcher, one of
the greatest ever period at blocking and catching. And those
guys unicorns do I think he's a sixth best player
in the last decade. Know. But what Sam Monthster is
pointing out is what I was the point at the
bigger point I was making that people get caught up
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in not understanding the nuance and substance of the argument. Say, alright,
coming up next is Russell Wilson done in Seattle? The
answer might surprise you. It's next in the Dug Gotlip Show.
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of the Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Saw
this story. Chris Simms, who joins us usually weekly on
The Doug Gotlip Show, said that the Browns and the
Seahawks discussed the possibility of trading Russell Wilson for at
least the number one overall pick. Mike Florio added this
by saying some were close enough to the situation to
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know what may have happened, believed that Wilson eventually will
be traded in intriguing destinations in would include in our view,
the Cowboys, the Raiders, and the Saints. Okay, the Saints.
The draw there is quite obviously Sean Payton, the cow
Boys is the biggest brand in the sport, and the
Raiders are in Vegas and his wife as a performer.
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I would point out that, Uh, we'll give credit where
it's due. Colin Cowherd talked about it like a year
ago that Russell Wilson doesn't want to be in Seattle
because market size, wife not happy there. Right. But here's
the thing that I want you to realize. I was
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listening to Colin Cowherd for three hours defend how great
a player Russell Wilson is. Find somebody who loves you
the way that Cowherd loves Russell Wilson. Right, And I
think Russell Wilson is awesome backyard football at the end
of the game, every Seahawk game looks the same. It's close,
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it's not as high scoring as you think. Even if
they're overmatched, they can find a way to put it
in Russell Wilson's hands and see if he can dig
him out of the hole. Like right, for most of
the last season, I defended Russell Wilson ahead of Lamar Jackson.
I would I would say that Russell Wilson it was
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more invaluable to his team on the field than even
Lamar Jackson. Not the Lamar Jackson didn't command and was
didn't play great, But that was a really good football team,
well built offensive line, tremendous running game. They got three
tight ends because you know he needs a good catch radius.
He got the best kicker. And for the style that
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they played, defense, kicking game, offensive line, it all works together.
The Seahawks have a wildly flawed roster. They haven't had
an offensive line in years. They tried to rebuild the
legion of boom kicking games, hit or miss uh the
They lost all three of their top three running backs
to season ending injuries and still found a way to
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make the playoffs and at least be marginally competitive on
the road against the Green Bay Packers. In terms of value,
I don't think there are many human beings on earth
who could do for their team what Russell Wilson did
for his That said, that said the reason, and I
know this for a fact, this is not the reason
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Aaron Rodgers doesn't like Russell Wilson. The reason Richard Sherman
didn't like Russell Wilson is not because either of them
think you can't play. It's because both of those dudes,
no matter how flawed you think their personalities are, they
are real dudes. Right. I don't agree with all Richard
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Sherman's He's blocked me on Twitter, like, I don't unders
agree with some of his comments, but that is a
real dude, from the hood to Stanford to All Pro,
Pro Bowl, Super Bowl like hall of Famer. The second
he retires in five years, he'll be a Hall of Famer.
But more than anything, he talks to talk, he walks
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the walk. He is the real, authentic deal. He will
look in the eye and tell you I just don't
like you, and there's not much you can do about
it because he doesn't. He's not gonna fake it, Aaron Rodgers.
What Aaron Rodgers gets accused of is being too honest,
too real. All right. You know, well he didn't really
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dig his new head coach because his new head coach
didn't exactly come with great credentials, and he was running
a copy of an offense that isn't necessarily quarterback dependent.
So yeah, he's challenging some ideas there right this this
this this offseason, he did a podcast in which he
talked about essentially being an atheist, unapologetically. Right, you have
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all these other guys who will will fake it because
it's easier to fake it. Being real could be hard
to lose friends or lose acquaintances that act like they're
your friends. Not not Aaron Rodgers, not Russell Wilson. Those
are not not Not Rodgers, not Richard Sherman. Those are
real dudes. Russell Wilson, something else there. It doesn't mean
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he's not a super talent, but he's a politician, you know,
it just is And that's okay. There's a lot of
those guys in sports. There's a lot of guys that
want to portray an image that is much easier for
you to like. But the idea that that they thought
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about trading him, that someone leaked the story to Cowherd,
that he wants out, that others are saying the trades
of possibility when it makes no sense right when on
the surface, it would make no no sense at all
that Seattle would trade Russell. Why would you ever trade
Russell Wilson that dude single handedly seems to win you games.
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Because there's gotta be more to it. Maybe he wants
out and they're kind of tired of him wanting out
and they have trouble with eyes buying into Russell Wilson
because people don't think he's real makes sense. Again, this
is not saying that Russell Wilson is a bad guy.
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He's just not the guy that he wants you to
believe that he is. And no one can spot a
phony better than an athlete, because they've been recruited several
times in their life. Once they reached any sort of
start him at a young age, in high school or
in college, everybody wants a piece of them, and they
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start to figure out the world a lot easier as
to who's real and who's phony. I find that that athletes,
you know, they've been through a lot in their lives,
and they can appreciate any sort of background, any sort
of diverse thinking, as long as you don't hide it,
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as long as you don't pretend to be something you're not.
And my my sense of Russell Wilson is not that
he's a bad guy, but that no one thinks they
actually know Russell Wilson because all he talks about is
the twelve and Seattle and how much he loves it
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there and this and that the other thing. And yet
behind the scenes he's telling people who he wants out
and they've actually offered him up for trade, which, by
the way, only points out also the stupidity and dysfunction
within the Cleveland Browns. Do you want to trade Russell
Wilson to Cleveland? Tell me how, let's get it done.
Number one overall pick, which you hope right that case
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was Baker Mayfield, which you hope maybe with a little luck,
could end up being a quarter as good as Russell
Wilson is as a player. I'm not sitting here tell
you Russell Wilson's a bad guy. I'm not telling you
he's a bad player. He's a phenomenal player. He's amazing,
kind of revolutionize the sport. An athletic, undersized quarterback who
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can make all the plays throwing the football in and
out of the pocket, especially out of the pocket on
the move. Nobody sets their feet and has that kind
of whip and torque coming off that out of their
arm like Russell Wilson. Nobody. But when enough guys tell
you like it, I don't think he's real. When the
team is talking about trading him and he's leaking out
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that don't love being here. That ain't what everybody perceives
him to be. And I would say that's the rub
with so many guys that have played with him in Seattle.
Why don't you love Russell Wilson. That's why I could
love him if I just knew who he really was.
All Right, we got a lot to get to here.
On that Golic Show, Um, Dalton Rise, Dalton Rising is
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gonna join us from He's a Broncos offensive lineman. They
have some dudes in Denver, Dudes. He's a talented young
offensive lineman. Have you seen what Denver is doing skill
position wise? George Carl is gonna join us at one
in the West, four on the East. George Carl, who
Michael Jordan claims that before Game one of the NBA
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Finals snubbed him in a restaurant? Did that happen last?
George Carl and my boy Brandon Wheten joins us what
it's really like behind the scenes as a quarterback and
how can can you be real or do you have
to be what corporate America wants you to be as
a quarterback in the NFL. Be sure to catch the
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live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three
p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in
the I Heart Radio a app. I don't blame Blake
Style because he's only been a professional athlete. This idea
that a professional baseball players like, look, I signed a
contract I should get Like, buddy, we're in a pandemic.
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Thirty six million people are out of work. Those are
great Depression era numbers. And it has happened like that.
So I know you live in the athlete bubble. Look,
I live in a sports world bubble. I understand that.
And I've been very blessed in my life to not
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have had to be the traditional media guy and make
you know, twenty grand work in a local radio station
and writing you know, you know, a couple hundred bucks
to write a newspaper column, you know, once a week
like that. That's not my I've lived a very blessed life.
I started out with nothing. We got something, but I
still had the perspective of I live a blessed life.
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This idea, the mistake that he made is like you said, hey, man, wait,
already took a pay cut. Now there might be less
and I'm getting taxed, Yo, what's up with that? That's
it's a valid point. Here's the opposite side. A lot
the people in the real world, rather losing their job
or getting furload, like man, let's furload. You don't get paid.
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The good news is you get to stay on insurance
while you're not getting paid and you don't have to work,
but you can't actually go anywhere. And a lot of
us who are working are taking voluntary pay cuts. I
saw one of our competitors where they announced like that
they're taking voluntary pay cuts. I actually know how that works.
(11:30):
There's nothing voluntary about the pay cut. Oh you know what, here,
here's back more of the money that I had planned
on making. Like now, anyway, it works, but look, we
all get it. It sucks. But what level of suck
is it? Right? Because the end of the day, you're
still a professional baseball player. You're still gonna be able.
At some point your wages will go back to the
(11:51):
normal level. The rest of us are gonna be left
picking up the shrapnel of like, all right, what's the
new world looked like? Does my job still exist? And look,
at some point you need to play games again. And
I'm sorry, but we can't pay the same amount if
we can't put people in the stands, which, by the way,
goes into direct conflict with the other part of his statement,
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which is like you get the rhona. I got the
Rona for life. So here's this, here's the decision. Like
we all make decisions and then you have to own them.
Decision one is don't play. My safety is paramount, which
you're allowed to. I would disagree with it, and I
would say the numbers tell you that you're gonna be fine.
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Numbers tell you that you're gonna be finding his age,
in his physical condition, with his insurance, he the likelihood
that he either even gets the rona let alone is symptomatic,
and that it affects him more so than a bad
version of the flu. You're talking about the smallest infant
infantest smile infintestimal percentage. But you don't play. That's okay,
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But you know what you can't do if you don't play.
You can't expect to get paid for services not rendered. Now,
if your complaint is over the level of compensation, that's fair, hey,
but you also have to take into account that, hey, dude,
we've missed half the season. We can't pay you for
a season that hasn't been played. We can't pay you
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for a season that doesn't have fans. We can't We
might not even be able to pay you for a
season that has broadcast games and could have Sky high
TV numbers. But here's the crazy thing about the TV numbers.
There's not the advertising dollars to correlate with those TV
numbers because advertisers don't have that much money. Because all
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of the basic advertisers like, look, we'd love to spend
on advertising. People are watching TV. But outside of you know,
food and beverage and pick up stuff, you know, outside
of Coco Bell and Chippotle and you know, other stuff
that you go order in the mail, lots of we
don't have money. We're trying to save money, and instead
of firing people, we cut our our marketing budget. So
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but but here's the here's the bigger part. Does he
contradict himself? Yes, does he sound a little bit spoiled? Sure,
But I think all of that is reasonable. I think
all of these things are reasonable. Quarantine makes guys some
people freak out right, like you're a workout guy like
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I am, and you can't work out, you just you know.
But the lack of understanding for where where the world
is in terms of uh financial stuff, bro, I don't
I don't know if you looked around, but taking a
pay cut is not the worst thing in the world.
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In comparison to what thirty six million people are going through.
You know, dude, Like, listen, we got people at our
jobs that are getting that are are told, hey, you
can't come to work for a couple of weeks. Back
the weeks you're gonna take off and we're not gonna
pay you. Like, no, no, I want to go to work.
No, no no, you can't come to work because we just
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like it's bad. I just pull your head out of
the the backside and look around. Just having a job
is a good thing. Getting paid, even if it's a
little bit less or substantially less than you were gonna
get paid, but still getting paid for a job you're
not actually doing that. You gotta pay taxes on it.
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That's called being a citizen. That's called you do you
do you like the roads? Do you like the cops?
Do you like the fact that when people have lost
their jobs, they're able to collect whether it's you know,
unemployment or welfare or p p P or whatever. Guess
where that money comes from? You know. So, oh, it
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may not be working great right now, but it's it's
worked for like over two hundred years, this sort of system,
and we adjust and we evolve please don't be that
guy who's so obtuse to what's going on the rest
of the world. But again, I don't have to apologize,
just to kind of take a breath and realize he's
in a much better place than most people. Be sure
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to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. George carl
has has uh Furious George is a great book that's
out there. Of course, he's been a he's been a commentator,
uh covering the NBA. He's been a longtime NBA head coach.
He's kind of have to spend some moments with this
year on the Doug Golip Show on Fox Sports Radio. Coach,
(16:43):
how are you? I'm good again the summer starts. Um,
I've a fair fair enough look. You're a guy who's
had you've had health issues in the past. Like first
and most important question, how is your health under quarantine
with with the coronavirus going around? I'm good. I'm a
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little bored. I'm you know, uh, quarantine is. I'm a
little more social than I than I guess most people are.
And I'm missing on my golf times and my meeting
from watching the game in the bar and during a
beer and talking to It's not on all the coaches
in town that we get together once in a while,
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and there are a lot of the is a lot
of ABA alumni here that we get together. We got
we He's done a couple on by Zoom, but it's
not the same. No, no, no, not good good all right,
good good um okay, So take me back to your
getting ready to play the Bulls in the finals. Most
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important thing. Where is this dinner where you supposedly brushed
off Michael Jordan's Yeah, my recollection is it was in Seattle.
His recollection, I think's recollection was it was in Chicago. Uh,
you know, basically it comes down to his Doug you
know back then that you know I told my team
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a day or two before the playoffs started, no socializing,
no Friday night is even with Michael when nobody on
the Bulls. I don't want I don't want to see
you out to dinner or going to the lines, you're
playing golf. I don't want to see you doing any
of that. Because Michael has a d n A that
he likes to take those things and use them to
his advantage. My recollection was in Seattle when when we
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were down too and I didn't really want to talk
to Michael anyways. And then the question I have is
didn't he stiff me too? Couldn't have he walked over
to my table, you know, so I know he's the king,
and I should have run over and said hello and
in a way. But you know, I've been with Michael
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ten times since then, and he's never mentioned it to me.
I'm odd was actually I played golf of them on
in time and it never got and it's never been
in my radar that I was the stimulus or to
elevate him to beating us. But I don't know. You know,
I think there's playing in the NBA finals, playing in
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the NBA final first time without your father, and knowing
you might play on father's name. I think those are
pretty good things that would probably motivated Michael to be
even at a higher level of intensity and anger and
aggressiveness to be successful. George Carl joining us in the
Doug Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. What was the
game plan going into the series. Well, you know, most
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of the time, it was the you know, when I think, Doug,
you might remember when Seattle, we did a lot of switching,
and we did a lot of double teams. So any
time that we failed, we could get a really good
double team on him and taking roles and or post
ups and or isolation situations, we double them. Other than
that we were going to rotate or our responsibility, he's
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on them and then save Gary. The thing we said
it was we'll save Gary for the end of the
game or and the end of the series. Well, Game
one we got beat by seventeen, so there wasn't an
end of game. Game two was a close game, and
Gary played him a lot in the last couple of
minutes of that game at the end of the game.
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Dame three game too for people to remember Game two,
that was when Gary was guarding him and you threw
a double team Adam Late and it was Steve Kerr
that hit the big backbreaking shot, wasn't it It was?
It was yeah, Um, but you know, the three pointer
didn't have as much influence, even though they made more
threes in the series than we did. Um. The thing
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comes down to it was a defensive series. They were
a great defensive team, and I think we were a
damn good defensive team. And most of the games when
we lost was we couldn't score, you know, we couldn't
get a flow and get a rhythm to the game everything.
You know, And you know how in the seven game series,
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what plays are working the next game are usually taken
away from working because the teams prepare for it. And
by game six, you know, we're running place for Hercy Hawkins,
who we never ran place for, you know, just to
try to get some type of rhythm or find the
matchup that could be successful at a higher percentage than
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we were getting. And you know, and the one thing
I would look when I look back on that series
is named McMillan. Garry Peyton, what's the heart of our team?
He was the energy He was our energy bunny. He
was our anger guy. You know, we didn't always like
how he did it, but he lifted us. The guy
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that was the soul of our team was named McMillan.
He was the guy that gave his confidence. He was
the guy that guided us. He was the coach on
the floor are He was totally unselfish. He was the
guy that made us feel feel really good. He played
Game four in Game five, we won both games and
I think we actually played better than Chicago and both
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those games. And again, I just wish we would have
had a series that we we actually had Nate to
play because the name Nate, Nate was kind of our
our guy that we really are group guys. You know,
he's a guy that brought us together. You know, it's
it's it's fascinating to Again, part of this is George
carl our guest in the doug Otlip Show. Part of
it is, as you're pointing out, without saying as much,
(22:36):
you do wish there was a little bit better maybe
basketball perspective um of how it's presented right like um, Like,
I think it's interesting that you know, with the like
the Kerr shot was not mentioned in talking about that series.
That was a huge backbreaking shot because all you got
to get is one game in Chicago and it's a
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totally different You get one out of two and you
had a legit shot in game two. Um. But I
I also think that no one pointed out that Jordan
used to live at the free throw line, Like, yes,
the game was more physical, but he used to live.
He shot was a ten, eleven and sixteen free throws
in the first three games. And one of the reasons
you want to keep Gary Payton offen was especially in Chicago.
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He's gonna get in foul trouble and you you gotta take
him out of the game. All right. No, the two SIPs,
the two stats that beat us with free throws and rebounds.
Michael shot for the series, shot like thirty six percent
the last three or four games this series. Uh, he
had some average games. He didn't play at a high
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standard every game. And the one thing, we lose game
three because of trout. You know, if we had sleep
sleep deferation, we were. We played in Chicago on a
Friday night, lost game Tree honest Friday night, probably gone
an air of playing around twelve thirty, hoping to get
back to Seattle. Round two. Well, we hit a snowstorm
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and Billings had to refuel. We didn't get back. I
didn't get to bed until like five thirty six o'clock
when the next game is Sunday at twelve thirty. So
we had to practice on on Saturday. So Chicago is
going to bed after the game feeling good. They probably had.
I walked through some sweater around ten or eleven May
(24:27):
probably twelve and caught a playing at three or four.
We go to bed at five or six, and I
don't know when we had practice, probably around two or
three or something like that. And then we played at
twelve thirty and we came out flat. We came out flat.
We had an awful game, couldn't score Michael. That was
the one game Michael got loose and had I think
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thirty seven or thirty eight and we got down three oh.
And all we had to do now is fight for
our pride and character of saving the season by by fighting.
And our team did, I mean our most I would
say most teams down in three oh team has won championships.
And they have Michael Jordan. They lay down. They might
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have given in, they might have thrown it in in. We didn't.
And and then game six, you know, we couldn't make
a shot and it was a totally defensive game. I
think it was the seventy five or something like that,
and it was I mean, you go back and watch
that game. The three ball actually is really important in
that game because they make like five or six in
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the second half and uh and we lose this Serias.
So yeah, they were they were a little they were
a little ahead of the time in terms of having
hybrid players, right, they had a lot of length, especially
you know that that second wave when they had Harper
Ron Harbrew could guard anybody, right he had he had
transitioned in his career. Dennis Robin Kuld guard any buddy,
Jordan could guard anybody. Pipp And could guard any buddy.
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Coo Coach wasn't a great defensive player, but he was
so big he could at least be a presence like
they had. They were they were long and range before
long and range was was was really in vogue. Um,
I guess here's here's my question. Um, how do you think,
as a former coach in the NBA that's dealt with
all sorts of personalities, how do you think Pippen comes
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off well? Pepper has a cloud over his head because
of the game. I mean, I mean I talked to
someone in a couple of days ago about it. It
will never go away, you know, you know, saying no
to your coach and kind of saying no to cup
coach taking the last shot, I mean, I mean and
(26:39):
and the and the shot goes in, Yeah, the ultimate
I mean it just doesn't. I mean, but then but then,
but coach coach. He didn't. He didn't say like he said,
I wish it would involve happened. But then he said,
if I had the chance, I probably would have done
it again, Like why would like, really, more than twenty
years later, you wouldn't think, you know, I wish I
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would have just just gone in and run the play and
Tony would have hit the shot. Never, you know, Like
I was stunned that while he owned it, with more
than twenty years to think about it, he didn't say
I shouldn't have done it. Yeah. I think that passiveness
of being definitive and just admitting to your vulnerability. And
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we all did stupid things in our lives that we all,
you know, deep downside, we wish we wouldn't have done.
But I love Scotty Tibn as a player. You know,
people you know says, you know, I thought Scotty Pepper
was the top five six players when he started playing
in that in in that series. I think he's specially
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placed both ends of the court. Is a point guard
at point forward or wherever you're playing. He has point
guard mentality. Ah, he's long as hell, and you know
he has a pride in playing defense, probably more so
than Michael at the end of his career him. Last thing,
you pointed out that the story that was told about
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you with the with the Dinner was like nobody even
brought it up. That kind of feels like a narrative
for the series, which is that Jordan's still trying to
settle scores even now. Do you think that that should
affect how we think of him and how we how
we perceive Michael Jordan after watching these documentaries, Um, you know, dog,
(28:27):
it's hard for me to you know, Michael Jordan's You
can argue there and maybe some players that can play
on his level, but there is no one with his
talent and his the man to play with intensity, focus
and when it all costs no one. I've never competed
(28:49):
against it by a guy more competitive than Michael Jordan's
both on the golf course, playing poker and playing basketball.
I mean, the man it was driven and he never
took her day off. I mean every every day he
has it in his life. I think I think he
(29:10):
just loves competition. Yeah, it's really George carl Our guest
on the Doug Gottli Show on Fox Sports Radio. When
you watch your old team and what kind of when
you think back, Um, what what does it? What does
that feel like now twenty some odd years removed from
the NBA finals. Well, I've been, you know, in this
(29:32):
pandemic mentality. I've been watching a lot of my my
playoff games, and what it tells me is the game
has changed. I mean it is a dynamic, different game. Uh.
And and I think they are more athletes and better players.
Is faster players and more quicker players because the game
(29:55):
now is more into quickness and and to be able
to go someplace with the ball. As we're back then
it was execution that plays, understanding responsibilities of like you
know of one on one play and isolation play and
you know, and movement. You know. And I think it's
just a dynamic. I mean, today's game is about fast,
(30:16):
low rhythm pace. That game is about execution, focus on defense,
don't give them second possessions, low possession game. I mean,
it's a dynamic. It's it's completely different. Yeah, I mean
they look and the guys, we can people can point
out what they don't like about the new generation of player.
They are so skilled at shooting the basketball, passing the
(30:38):
basketball like it's really I mean, I I'm not sure
there's enough healthy respect for how skilled the new generation
is at at making shots? Is that? Is that? Is
that fair? I'm gonna disagree with you. I agree with
you maybe on shooting, but I don't think today's game
is a better passing game fair enough. I think they're
(31:01):
more individualists, and I don't know if you want to
use individualists and the next stage it's selfish. I think
there are more people searching down shots and points than
being a guy that makes other people better? And which
which is what made which? Was makeing Lebron different? I think?
But it made Bird different, It made Jordans different. I mean, obviously,
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Magic and Bird those they were the two. They were
the two best at making other people better, making lifting
up entire franchises. Go Why why in the conversation, I
don't know, I don't know, I don't I don't know
what's happened where all of a sudden and Bird the
same way? I mean? And you tell me if I'm wrong.
As far as Bird like Larry Burton, Magic Johnson were
(31:44):
the two best players in the league and change the
league forever. For a decade, they were the two best
for a decade. They were the two best. And and
I know, but you have. And maybe it's because Magic,
in his magic way, said he's the greatest Laker ever.
No he's not. Magic was the greatest laker ever. Right,
Magic was Magic was must see TV. He was amazing, amazing.
(32:09):
Um and Bird much the exact same way. Oh Magic,
I mean when Magic was on, you got no chance.
I mean he could beat you with the points, he
could beat you with his his passing, he could reach
you with just the energy he brought to the game.
I just don't understand that we talked about Kobe without Magic. No,
(32:30):
you can't do that. Yeah, I'm I'm completely with you.
I'm glad you brought that up. I am one of
the younger generation that was taught a healthy respect for
Bird and for Magic. Thanks much for joining's coach called
a real a real honor and a pleasure. Thank you do.
Have a good day, man. Fox Sports Radio has the
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our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com and within
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listen live. Pro Football Focus released their list of top
players from two thousand ten to two thousand twenty. Last
the Decade Team. Rob Gronkowski ranked five. Here's PFF analyst
Sam Munsen on the Herd explaining the high ranking. I mean,
(33:13):
the injuries and the hobbling. Those are the things that
prevented him being number one or number two in this list.
Like Rob Gronkowski, there are a few players that had
his consistent level of just absolute peerless dominance throughout the decade.
He was as good as the best receiving tight ends
in the NFL, guys like Jimmy Graham that never blocked
at all throughout the decade. Gronk was every bit the
(33:36):
match of those guys and did it for longer. And
then he was as good as a blocker as guys
that were on the roster just for that role, you know,
blocking specialist tight ends who were earning a living for
sixteen games going out there and Baski playing auxiliary tackle.
Gronk was as good as those guys were at just blocking.
So you put those two things together and he was
(33:57):
this ultimate matchup weapon that nobody could deal with because
they didn't have players that could be good in both
facets of the game. You're right, the injuries, they were,
they were a problem. They were the thing that pulled
him down. But that's what's stopping him from going down
as being like literally one of the best players to
ever play in the game, let alone a top five
(34:18):
guy in the decade. I've never felt better without myself
than I do right at this very very moment. For
the last many months has been I don't even know
what month, this is. The last four or five months,
UM Niner fan football guy. UM has tried to crush
me because I said George kill is not really a blocker.
(34:39):
And what people have taken that to me and is
George Kittle can't or dozen't block. That is not my
point at all. The question was asked me by Cowherd
about where we were talking, what was the discussion about
Rob Gronkowski, And what Sam Munson points out is exactly
how it's been described to me by NFL gms. Look,
the ten best blocking tight ends. You have never heard
(35:01):
their name. You don't know who they are. They're basically
slightly slimmer guys that can catch that are They're just
tackles that occasionally go out in a pattern, but for
the most part they're a uh sixth offensive lineman. Right.
Gronk was as good a blocker as those guys now.
Kittle as a purely a pass catcher has shown the
(35:24):
desire to be a good blocker. He's a really good
block right, getting down the field and getting on a
body and if he gets done to getting on the
next guy. But like, you can't leave George Kittle one
on one with one of the best defensive ends in
the NFL. It's not what he does right. Gronk, on
the other hand, was alignment as a blocker and then
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as effective as Kittle as a pass catcher, one of
the greatest ever period at blocking and catching. And those
guys unicorns do I think he's a sixth best player
in the last decade. Know. But what Sam Monthster is
pointing out is what I was the point at the
bigger point I was making that people get caught up
(36:07):
in not understanding the nuance and substance of the argument. Say, alright,
coming up next is Russell Wilson done in Seattle? The
answer might surprise you. It's next in the Dug Gotlip Show.
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