Jerry Jones & the Cowboys have an identity

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Hey, welcome to the podcast,
you boy, Doug Gotlieb. Here, we have a really good one.
Not all the talk is totally about baseball when we
talk with Tom Verducci, or about football which all middlecoff,
or about football at brock Heward. It's a bunch of
different stuff. We got some last dance discussion, we got

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some weekend discussion. We've got some college football discussion, some
steroid discussion with Tom Verducci. UM, I got a thought
for you in the legacy of Jerry Sloan and what
Michael Jordan has done to so many in the NBA.
But first let me start with the Cowboys who are
not suffering from an identity crisis up America. Good Doug
Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. UM, listen, we we do

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this thing on a daily basis Ryan Music and I
and our model is a little bit different than Cowherd's model,
than Dan Patrick's model, than the Odd couples model, than
Clay Travis's model, but the idea is still the same.
We talk either on the phone or in person several
times a day and we try and flush out, like, Hey,
what is our big story? What can we how can
we look at the world a little bit differently than

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everybody else looks at the world. And I think we
came up with something today which is kind of interesting.
Um U. In one hour. In one hour, I will
tell you the biggest thing holding me back and believing
in the Tampa by Buccaneers brock Heward's gonna join us
in twenty minutes, John Mittlcoff next hour, Tom Verducci in

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the third hour of the show. In one hour, the
biggest single thing that's holding me back from going pushing
my chips into the table, all in on the table
for the Bay Buccaneers. I saw this story from Edward
or he always has more. My DAK info contract more
than four years, the non starter for the quarterback. There's

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not a new offer. Sides have not negotiated for more
than a month. Since they're close enough on a pr
that's average per year nearly thirty five billion dollars, that
source feels like they're in striking range and a deal
be made by July um. Obviously, Dak wants to be
back out on the market. He doesn't want this to

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be his last big deal. They want to mirror that
of the Kirk Cousins contract, And like Kirk Cousins, because
he was essentially underpaid throughout the first contract, he wants
to be overpaid. Now. This is kind of on brand
for quarterbacks in general, but especially quarterbacks who are drafted

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lower than they end up achieving. Al Right, Russell Wilson
is the highest paid player in the National Football League,
and at least a portion of all of his contract
negotiations are Hey, remember you guys, we uh first four
years we made pennies while you won championships. Granted, the
Cowboys haven't won championships, but Dak Prescott has, without any question,

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exceeded anyone's reasonable expectations for the first contract that he had. Like,
let me start by telling you that Dak Prescott will
be the Cowboys quarterback this year. I also believe, not
just because I've read it from ed Warder. But I've
seen this movie or a show like this and know
how it ends. He'll sign a contract extension and it

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will be for more money than the Cowboys one would
have had to pay had they paid him early in
two probably should be paying even now considering they still
control his rights with the franchise tech. Now, why would
Jerry pay Dak more money than he probably has to?
Is there certainty? Sure? Sure, there there's some cost certainty there.

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And the idea in mind is if you look at
how quarterback contracts have spiked over the past five years,
it's reasonable think over the next four years these contracts
will spike yet again. It's really, really, really hard to
find another franchise starting quarterback. Cowboys search forever to find
Tony Romo, but that was after years of trying after

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Troy Aikman had to retire due to injuries. You know,
the Dolphins are still looking, the Bills are still looking,
and the Bears have really never had one. Even if
Win jickman Man won a Super Bowl, It's hard to
find one. But more than anything, this is on brand
for the Cowboys in in TV and radio, we have

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brands right like there's a way in which Fox shoots
their games, their Major League Baseball games a lot more
close ups. Fox personalities feel a little bit more vivid.
ESPNS brand is, Hey, we're gonna be a little bit
more inside sports. We're about sports. We're gonna tell you interesting,
quirky things about sports. And CBS they're very conservative, all

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about presentation. Make it look tight, make it look classy.
If you don't say anything that rattles somebody's feathers, they're
okay with that. As long as you do a really good,
solid job. That's who CBS is. Right, those are three
companies that I've worked for. I can tell you on
equivocally those are their brands. In football, we have brands
as well. Right, the Chiefs are we score points? Why

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would the Chiefs draft another running back in the first round? Well,
why wouldn't they? End of the day, you got a
nuclear weapon like Pat mahomes, give a bunch of toys
to play with. Right, Yeah, they could have helped their defense, sure,
but why not the Packers their draft pick was on brand? End,

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it was on brand. How do I know this is
what they did when they when they traded for Brett Farve, Right,
Brett Farvard played a year, but they had Don mckowski,
the magic Man, who was actually beloved for a time
in Green Bay, and then when they had five. That's
how they draft dar and Rodgers. And this is what

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they've done time and again, stay true to their board,
find value in the draft. Whether or not it actually
helps you on the field or not doesn't matter. The
Raiders new brand under John Gruten and Mike Mayock is, hey,
let's just load up and play the numbers game through
the draft. That's how we want to do it, essentially

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what the Niners were able to do in refilling their coffers.
Franchises have a brand, just like sports and companies have
a brand. What does the Dallas Cowboys brand? Right? I
mean the Lakers acquiring a star who built his rep
utation elsewhere where? Have I seen that before? I don't know,

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Will Chamberlain, I'm not. I don't know Creamy Abdul Jabbar,
Seaquille O'Neill, Paul Gasol. Yeah, they have drafted some of
the all time greats. And frankly, Kobe was a draft
day trade. That's a draft pick. Maggie Johnson was a
draft day trade as well, but it is on brand

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for the Lakers to say, hey, we're the Lakers. Somebody
wants to come play here, and they have fifty years
of history to show that it works. The Dallas Cowboys
brand is about the stars playing for the star. When
they won big last time, they had the triplets right
and Emmett Smith and Michael Irvin at Troy Aikman. Now,

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I actually believe EZEKEI Elliott is a better all around
back than Emmett Smith. I don't think he'll be the
all time leading rushian in NFL history, but he is
a spectacular town. I don't think Marie Cooper is as
dynamic as Michael Irvine was, but they paid him a
hundred million dollars he better be. And I don't think

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that that that Dak Prescott is Troy Aikman. Traykman was
remarkably accurate, really really accurate, and you look at the
stats now you look it's just a different game of
different sport in which the way it's played. Ask anybody,
Troy Akman was a stud who was more athletic than
he looked. Mary Ransom option in Oklahoma before he transferred
u c L a big bodied, great leader deadly accurate.

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DAC isn't that accurate? But big body, athletic, good leader.
This is on brand for the Cowboys. Are they gonna
overpay and pay a little bit too late to overpay? Yeah,
so do with Emmett as they did with Dez Bryant.
That's what they did with Marie Cooper was Zeke Elliott.

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Actually actually Zeke was a little bit early, but it
was Hey, I'm hold out. Jerry always gives in and
always ends up losing in terms of who got more
money than we thought they would get, and they always
end up being entertaining. And with the exception when they
had Troy Aikman and Emmett Smith Moose john that was
a great team. Moose Johnson, we kind of cold flows

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ell the Motel Adams blocking and with the exception of that,
and obviously they were really really, really really well coached
on with Jimmy Johnson. But this is who they are.
I mean, it's been more than twenty years since they
had back to back ten win seasons. It's kind of crazy, right.
They struggle with consistency because guys build their name and
build their brand playing for the star becomes stars. Jerry

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falls in love with him, and he thinks we were
really close, so he overpays them and they come up short.
How am I doing. I'm not hating on the Cowboys.
I'm just painting what I believe is in completely accurate
portrayal of the Cowboys. So do I think the Cowboys

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are gonna get a deal done? Yes? Do I think
they're gonna overpay? Yes? Do I think Dak Prescott is good? Sure?
Do I think he's great? Nope? Nothing. You tell me
he's gonna convince me of otherwise, although I am willing
to believe that the consistency of having him, they did
essentially keep the same offensive staff. I think you need that.
I think there's value in it, and I think there's
reason to believe that he will continue to get better.

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It's not gonna worse. She's getting better. And of course
will judge him far differently because he's no longer judged
as a fourth round draft pick who, in a spots
star duty to replace Tony Romo ended up doing a
great job in winning thirteen games. Now he will be
one of the highest paid players in the NFL, which
dramatically changes how we look at each of his performances.

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Because that's on brand for fans, right. The Packers staying
true to their board is their brand. Fans judging somebody
not based solely on the performance, but but the the
the v suation of their performance in comparison to what
they're actually making. That's on brand for fans, just like

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it's on brand for the Dallas Cowboys to slightly or
massively overpay one of their homegrown stars because they believe
he's a star. That's the Cowboys brand, all right. Coming
up next, Jerry Sloan died today. He was the head
coach of the Utah Jazz in both of those NBA Finals,

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in which they lost to the Chicago Bulls. Ironically, because
he is a he was a legendary Bulls player. There
is something unique about his legacy. I'll tell you what
that is. Coming next, be sure to catch the live
edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the I

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Heart Radio a app Doug Gotlas Show Fox Sports Radio. So,
Jerry Sloan passed away today at the age of seventy
eight years old. If you like me know anything about
the history of NBA, basketball. You know that Jerry Sloan
was not only a great coach with Utah Jazz, is
a really well respected, outstanding player who won a couple

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of national championships at Evansville. I think they were Division
two at the time. He actually, this is a side note.
Do you guys know that Evansville had a horrific plane
crash in which their whole team died. This was going
back in the seventies. He had accepted the job to
be Evansville's head coach that previous offseason, only to change
his mind. Think about that, right, Um, But Jerry Sloan

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was a really well respected, tough guy player, seen as
one of the toughest, if not the toughest leader in
the NBA when he played with the Chicago Bulls. So, um,
Jerry Sloan dies the age of seventy eight. He hadn't
been lucid I think in a while. Um, he just hadn't.

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And Jerry Sloan is known, and like there's people who
they they just either forgot the situation or didn't know.
Did you understand my tweet today earlier today, Ryan Music,
when when I tweeted out that Jerry Sloan survived a
long time with Darren Williams knife in his back. I mean,

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I do remember that there was some serious turmoil at
the end of his tenure and Darren Williams, but perhaps
not in great detail. Basically, here's the way in which
I was told it went down, and it's been documented
that it went down, is Darry Williams was a superstar
or a buddy, a burgeoning superstar star player in the league.

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And uh, as a star player in the league, you know,
he thought he had the juice and Jerry Sloan was
kind of old school. We run sets, we run plays,
we do it my way, and he was always a
back and forth with Darry Williams, who had the reputation
of being a no at all. And finally they had

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They're playing ironically in Chicago and Darren Williams repeatedly in
the first half broke off some plays, and Jerry Sloan
said something to the order of they if you're gonna
break off a play, at least let some of your
teammates know, right, because nobody knows what you're doing out there.
And then he went to management and said I'm done.

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After Darren Williams said, I got the juice. So in
other words, it was Darren Williams was kind of like, Hey,
I'm gonna take over this team. I'm gonna do it
my way, and Jerry Sloanan said, I'm not gonna fight you. Fine,
I'm done. I've done enough, I've coached you know just
as good are better players than you, And they didn't
fight me the way that you fought. It was just
a new generational generation thing. I don't think Darren Williams

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a terrible guy. I think Darry Williams, had he not
had a litany of injuries, he would have had a
chance to go down as a superstar player. But this
was a stain on on how you know, how you
know him? And and look for Jerry Sloan, I don't
know if they win a title if Michael Jordan doesn't

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come back, or think about it for Jerry Sloan, what
would have happened had Michael Jordan's not retired the first time?
Say they win four titles or five titles, and then
he retires and it's and then it coincides with the
Utah Jazz like, look, they built that thing. You want

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talk about building something organically drafted Stockton drafted Malone. Frank
Layden was originally the coach and then he kicked himself
upstairs to being the president, and Jerry Sloan took them
to a higher plane. His teams played hard, and his
teams were tough, and they emulated that of his coach.

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But if I was to ask the average fan on
the street Jerry Sloane, You're like, I never heard of him.
Why Michael Jordan's John she Bilip said this, and I
thought it was apropos. My thing is Jordan kept so
many Hall of famers from getting rings, from Ewing to
Barkley to Malone. Everybody got rings in Lebron's watch everybody.
It's a huge difference in my book. He's right, That's

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one of the things that drove Jordan's They even asked him,
okay that first NBA Finals against nine Finals against Carl Malone.
Malone was the m v P. That's why that was
my motivation. I mean, they didn't even mentioned Dominique Wilkins
in the documentary. It literally wasn't brought up. Dominic Wilkins
is one of I think five players in NBA history

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to average twenty five points or more ten straight years,
I believe, like not even brought up why And look,
I think Dominique was a highly flawed player, But dude,
they had some teams down there now right with Doc
Rivers and Kevin Willis, and they had good teams. They
had no shot against the Bulls, none the Knicks. The

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Calves how loaded with the Calves with Larry Nance and
Mark Price, Brad Daugherty. People talk down on these teams like, wow,
you know who Jordan ever really beat? The reason we
don't think anything of them was they couldn't beat Michael
freaking Jordan's I mean, look, we we do this thing

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where we're like, well, the how many Hall of famers
were on the Boston Celtics When they want all those titles,
they're Hall of famers because they won titles, not Hall
of famers who then want their Hall of famers. This
is like a Duke's had this for a long time,
Texas and football has had this. You know, the second
you sign at Duke, you go from being a three

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star to a five star. You're suddenly in on all
the All American games, in on USA basketball, Like, man,
Duke signed him, he must be better than we think,
is he? A five star who signed at Duke Kyrie Irving, etcetera, etcetera.
Or is he a five star because he signed a Duke?

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And I'm here to tell you there are great players,
great players who you barely have heard of from the
nineties that never got a shot. Why Michael Jordan's you know,
like I never thought Clyde Drexer was in his class,
but Michael Jordan made sure that he's never being judged
in his class because they never beat him. Jerry Sloan

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died today at the age of seventy eight years old.
How much different would you think of or no Jerry
Sloan had they won those had they won one of
those series against the Bulls. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three
p m. Easter noon Pacific. First, so, let's welcome in
Brock Heard, who joins us in the Doug Gotlip Show

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on Fox Sports Radio College Football and in f analysts
for Fox Sports. Brock, let let's go to the last dance.
What what surprised you? I think how much I enjoyed
Phil Jackson. To be honest with you, I just as uh,
maybe it's the last decade, Doug here watching Pete Carroll
work and and in many ways he and U Phil

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Jackson are are very very similar dudes. Um, you know,
pretty positive guys allow people to express themselves and be themselves.
So it's probably that as much as anything. That was
the biggest surprise was how much I just linked those
two guys together. And as I said, proximity to Pete
Carroll is probably a big reason why good stuff I

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like it? Um, okay is going into it? Was Jordan
your favorite basketball player of all time? Do you think
he's the greatest bastaba of all time? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I think so. And my wife, my wife Doug was
a college basketball player at Washington, and I remember in
the training room watching her get her ankles taped as
a true freshman, like yes, yes, if she looks that

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good and her ankles taped. Um. Twenty one years later,
today actually is our wedding anniversary. She's still yeah, he
still looks that good. And she was. She had the
Jordan's posters and the Wings poster, you know, so it was.
It's been a blast watching it with our kiddos. We
have a couple of aspiring hoopers, some high school daughters
that'll uh, that'll get to play. Um, and I think

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beyond high school, which is kind of neat and man,
we yeah, we really enjoyed and he was absolutely the
number one. What what do you think Dak Prescott's value
should be? It should probably be run for me at
the template would be Jared Goff that that that kind
of structure and and that kind of money and and

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accomplishment and you know, a good a really good number.
I think a fair number. I think that would be
the I think that would be the starting point for
me because DA's been you know, obviously awesome at home.
I won a playoff game against our beloved Seahawks up
here in Seattle with a third and thirteen QB draw
where he ran through Bobby Wagner and was a big

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part of them winning that game. Um, but you know,
he hasn't done it consistently on the road. He hasn't
done it consistently elevating everybody around him. And I think
he is reliant on those people around him, much like
a Jared Goff is. So to me, that would be
probably the boilerplate, the template to to get a deal done,
don't you, I mean, am I crazy to think that

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Jared Goff's contract is too big, Like, I don't understand
why we emulate a bad contract. Well, it depends what
side you're on, Like you like in your like in
your neighborhood. Right, I'm going to buy a house. You
get five comps, right, you get five comps. You don't
just go like, well, hey, let's take the let's take

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the worst comp possible and let's use that one. Like, yeah,
that's not how that's not how I price out a house. Um,
you know, because there's as much as we like to
says five comps. So who are Dax five comps, Jimmy Garoppolo,
Jared Goff, guys that are good? Okay, the supporting cast
around him. You're not Aaron Rodgers, You're not Russell Wilson. Okay, Right,

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So so we take Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers off
of it, and we say cousins. Right, yeah, yes, we
say cousins. Cousins. I say yep, I say Golf, I
say Garoppolo anyone Wentz uh Now, I think of Carson
Wentz is better, probably probably put team the team on

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his shoulder, but he also has been banged up and
and Doc hasn't. Mandak has been reliable, He's been durable,
he's tough as hell, and you know, those attributes are
pretty hard to find. So okay, maybe maybe Carse good.
What's that he actually been good? I think that, Yeah,
I think that is very good. I just don't think
he's elite. I don't think you can just give him

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anybody like you could do with Patrick and with Russell
and and with Aaron, And you know, you look at
the supporting cast, you look at the amount of turnover
the Russell and Aaron have had in particular receiver and
a tight end, an offensive line running back, It really
didn't It doesn't matter. Like those guys make everyone around
them better. I think Dak is in that next grouping

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of homes, which should be a thirty million dollar a
year kind of player. And you say, well, that's too much,
you know, that's that's those we're talking about. Yeah, yes,
I can. I think Jimmy, what's Jimmy? Jimmy's about thirty.
Isn't golf a little closer to thirty than thirty five?

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I think Wentz is thirty five, Cousins about thirty, So
for me, that's about thirty and if he don't want
thirty million dollars in a year in that generational wealth,
that he wants to play it out and he wants
to try to do with Kirk Cousins, did God bless him?
I mean, I I commend these guys, Doug, I couldn't
do that. I commend to David Clowney right now. I'm
shocked that he didn't sign his one year deal or

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some of his initial deals the Seahawks offered. And you
know He's like, no, my house is worth more. Dock's like, nope,
my house is worth more. Right in in Kirk Cousins,
many of us Scott to him a few years back, said, dude,
signed the extension. You're you're not elite, You're a really
good player. Signed the extension. And he didn't. And then
he went out and got thirty million guaranteed. Then he
went out and got another eighty five million guaranteed. So

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God bless him. They got more entrepreneurial spirit and more
belief in their market value than many of us do. Brock,
you are joining us, Doug gotlip show here on Fox
Sports Radio. UM, I haven't spoken to you since the draft.
What do you think of what the Green Bay Packers
decided to do in drafting Georgia love Oh. I would
not have done that. I would not have pulled I

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would not have pulled that trigger. I'd look at Aaron
Rodgers and say, you got a couple of years left
and we're gonna We're gonna run it until the wheels
totally come off. You're still an elite thrower. Didn't love
the attitude, obviously that there was a sour taste at
the end of the year that Niner game. That was
bad body language. Um about as bad as it gets,
right is is is we have certainly seen from him

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or a player of his ilk, But you know what
that was. That was a rough Sunday And and you still,
you know, we're a big part of us getting there
to the to the championship game. So I would I
would have wrote him for two more years in the
most elite receiver draft we have seen in a long
time and may not see again. And sometime I would
have added another weapon or two there possibly alignman. I

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do like the running back. A. J. Dillon is an
absolute hammer. So I didn't hate that pick, but I
would not have made that move. And and you know,
to me, Doug QB play is getting better. There is
more development at the high school level, there is more
development at the college level. Next year justin Fields and
Trevor Lawrence. A year after that, we're gonna have another
Joe Burrow to uh, you know, We're going to continue
to have those. So I did not think that highly

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of Jordan's love. I would not have made that move,
but the Packers did. Doug gotlib show here on Fox
Sport Trade. That's the voice of Brock here. You can
hear him call college and NFL games on on Fox Sports. Um,
I understand, Jason lights the GM of the Tampa by
Buccaneers and he's celebrating the fact that, hey, listen, we
gotta coach, is not gonna coach that much longer and

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a quote back, who's not gonna play that much longer?
You know, there's gonna be great energy and passion towards
winning and winning right now. My my issue with that is,
I don't know if that always creates the type of
atmosphere that you want. Right I'm not gonna say panic,
but you're gonna have this whole thing. You know, he's
been in one place his whole career and you want
in short order with no O T. S. No, they're

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working out together with no O T A S. For
the thing to come together and the pressure of hey guys,
we only have a year or two year window. I'm
not sure that that landed the way that Jason Light
wanted to land. Well, what are your thoughts on Tampa? Yeah,
it's it's gonna be fascinating TV man. I can't wait
to watch. And by the way, is Bruce gonna take
back the play call street from byronment Leftwich? What? What What

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do you think you think? I think Bruce gonna hearn
a hand over the play calling duties to Byron for
this season. I don't think so. And he's like, you
know what, that was a good experience for you last year.
Let me call plays for this guy because because he's
still pretty good, especially from especially from the neck up,
and knows how to take care of the football. And uh,
you know it's we're working the draft, dug and I
really enjoy Mark Dominic. I think he does an excellent

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job the former GM by the way down there in
Tampa and we're watching the draft, and and you know,
the the Dolphins had all these picks, and it just
felt like so many outside of tah so many of
the Dolphins picks were development guys. And I said to
Marcus said, do they have two or three years? I
mean this can this really be a developmental league? And
he thought new like, you gotta go for it and

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you gotta go win now. You don't have two three
four years. So you're the GM and Tampa. You get
your opportunity to swing. You swing, and you land Bruce
arians You know who's who's a year by year deal
because of his health, because of his age. He's a
year by year. You take that swing with Bruce. Tom
Brady of all people, says yeah, yeah, let me go
finish my career out in Tampa Bay. I think you

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gotta welcome the goat down there, and you gotta roll
the dice and take this year by year and try
to maximize it. This is just isn't This isn't the
developmental This isn't baseball. This isn't you know, in some
ways the NBA where you have two, three four years.
I think this is a win league, win now league.
That the not for long league. That's not changed since
Jerry Glenville was in a three decades ago, and and
when you compare those two to go out and try

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to try to find a way to win, I kind
of commended and will be musty TV what happens with
Russell Wilson in Seattle? Right? There's this this this story
and Chris Sims I'm not I tend to believe him
that there was talk of trading him to the Browns.
There's now discussion as to hey, after this year, do
they trade him to try and get Trevor Lawrence. Uh,
you have an elite quarterback who has found a way

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to win without a great surrounding cast, and yet there
continues to be these rumors that they don't necessarily want
to keep him forever, and he might now want to
be there. You know Seattle better than anybody maybe on
the planet. What do you think happens there? Yeah, I
think he's gonna be here. I think he's got a
very aggressive agent. I don't disregard Chris Simms and Tim

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Hasselback and those guys who who heard some of that.
Russell Wilson hired a baseball agent he had bust Cook
out of college. He said, that's great, you're a deal maker.
You work with these guys. I don't want that. I
want a deal breaker. I want to do it differently
than anybody else. I want to have a baseball contract
and and I want to set things up differently. I
want my contract to look different. And Mark Rogers is

(29:15):
a baseball agent, and from Scott Boris down Doug. They
operate differently than football agents. And Tom Condon and and
my old agent, Marvin dam Off. Those guys look to
to find a deal, to make a deal, and Mark
Rodgers has made the last two negotiations very contentious. I
think we all knew in Seattle they Pete knows what
he has, John knows what he has, John Schneider they

(29:35):
were not going to let Russell play in any other uniform.
And yet those were really contentious, really difficult negotiations, because
that's what Russell is paying his agent to do. So
where exactly that talk came from I would intend to think,
and if I had to bet my dollar that that
came a little bit more from Russell's camp in eighteen
than it did necessarily from John and Pete. Awesome stuff,

(29:57):
Brock Heart Listen, have a great and safe weekend. Um.
I gotta ask you, Um, you know see Washington, Oregon
and California kind of linked up hand in hand to
say we're gonna do everything together. Um, it looks like
the Big twelve and the SEC they're going to try
and get this thing done. Regardless where are we unpacked

(30:17):
twelve football. We've been ahead of the curve socially distancing
and venues like Stanford and Call and Issue for a
long time, Doug, So they won't have any problems social
distancing in the in the stands this fall. I think
we're gonna have football. All jokes aside. I think that
many of these A D s and coaches feel like
within the structure, and again they're incentive ezed to say this.

(30:37):
I get that, but they feel like there's and within
their structure and their resources, they provide a safer environment
for their student athletes than many of them have in
their home communities and everything else. So I think the
they will be back. I think there will be massive
protocol and I think the West Coast will be as
aggressive as anybody and making sure that those STADIU environments

(30:57):
are as safe as possibly can be before they let
the seven or eight thousand back in the stands at
Stanford to watch a football game. Awesome stuff, Brocoly, thanks
so much for joining us. Have a great weekend. You
got a rock here are joining us on the Doug
gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. A big change coming
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(31:18):
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Gottlieb Show. Well before we get to our game, real quick,
jail sports Joe Linta, Uh, congratulating Joe Flacco, his client

(31:41):
on a new one year deal with the New York Jets.
So that just broke. So I want to share that
when you just have surgery. Oh, he's got a deal
to go with that surgery. Okay, Uh, start off with
Psychic Here. Psychic, we saw the conclusion of the Last
Dance where they did address Michael Jordan's gambling and the
way you treated teammates. What do you expect to see

(32:02):
in Tom Brady's nine part documentary series? How much will
they cover the talk rules, Spygate to flate Gate. I
would guess all of it I guess all of it.
I mean, we we can. We don't. We might not
like how even the perspective was on Jordan's thing, but
they covered it all, you know, with it, with the
exception of his personal life, which they never got into

(32:24):
in terms of professional career, they covered it all, really did,
so I would expect all of it. If you you
can't cover that, you can't do a documentary the Patriots
and not include spy gate, especially deflate gate. You got
to conclude that because he got to spend it for
it has has to all be at least brought up well.
And I would imagine they're gonna get more than three

(32:45):
hours with him, so we'll get lots of commentary on
these things too. Uh. NFL teams set to vote on
an alternative to the onside kick by allowing teams one
chance to gain fifteen yards from their own twenty five.
Will this turn out to be a smart rule change
for the NFL? No, No, this is not a smart

(33:05):
rule change. It takes away like we're running a play
instead of an on side kick. No, this is not
a good idea. It's one of those ones like what No, No,
you have a kickoff your potentially on side kick. If
you want to make can people go for it more
with onside kicks, then change that it has to go

(33:26):
ten yards to five even if you don't have a
run up, or move the football to the forty yard
line so that it's not as penalizing to miss an
on sidekick, but inventing an entirely different way to get
the ball back. I don't it's not I don't like,
I hate, I hate. I'll put you down for a maybe.
Chiefs owner Clark Gunn told one oh five three the

(33:46):
Fan in Dallas and said they will begin negotiating with
Patrick Mahomes for his next contracts starting this summer. Who's
gonna get their long term contract done first? Mahomes or
Jack Prescott. That's a good question. Pat Mahomes or Dak Prescott.
Pat Mahomes, Dak Prescott. I believe Dak Prescott will get
it done first because they have to have it done

(34:07):
by July. Mahomes thing they're talking, but they don't have
to have it done even this before this season. You know,
that's just in terms of when his deal runs out.
So I would have Dax will be done first. Juju
Smith Schuster told the NFL Network. He honestly thinks it
will be a big year for Pittsburgh with the return
of Big Ben. Will the Steelers be a playoff team

(34:27):
this season, Yes, they will be a playoff team. But
you know, like, what guy is not going to say
that about his future Hall of Fame quarterback, right? Is
there anybody right now who's like, you know, I think
Big Bank is gonna suck like that. That will go
over really really well. So I think Juju truthfully believes it.
They've worked out together Ben. That's why he shaved his beard,
just because now he's making the NFL throws throwing an

(34:48):
NFL football. But I mean, just because Juju Smith Schuster
said it doesn't mean it's gonna happen. And the SEC
announced earlier today that they will allow athletes to return
to campus for voluntary individual workouts beginning in June eight.
As we begin to slowly see the return of sports,
will we get a full season of college football in um, Yes,

(35:14):
we'll see a full We'll see some sort of full season.
You mean like every game and every team playing. Yeah, no,
we will not have a completely full season, but we
will have a mostly full season. That makes sense. This

(35:34):
is game time on the Duck Gottlieb Show, Dug Gotlib
Show here on Fox Sports Radio. You know what this is?
Were there any big summer movies that were supposed to
come out? Ramos? So is it? What's the big blockbuster
that's supposed to come out for the July had to
be something, right? I think I think it was, Um, Mulan.

(35:56):
It was Disney did a Mulan remake that was supposed
to be pretty big. I saw the preview, but when
I went to see Star Wars and I they've pushed
it back again to like what November. I think was
something like that. I don't know if that's what you
consider a big, big movie, but that was one of
the summer blockbusters for Dizzy that they were putting out. Mulan, Ryan, Um,

(36:18):
were you were of any big So I'm trying to
think of when I when I uh, when I went,
I was like the first one that came to mind.
I have no idea if this came out or when
it was supposed to come out. Was um that Top
Gun movie that feels like Top Gun? I think, yeah,
that feels like it was supposed to have been a
July four Um release state. Okay, now, Ralph, go ahead, Ralph, Oh,

(36:46):
it was supposed to be July twelfth, that it was
all right? I wonder if been select select theaters that
would have been there. Um, Hamilton's the movie was set
to come out for the July weekend, right, that's where
they recorded Hamilton's and it coming out on Disney Plus.
It's give Me on Disney Plus, Top Gun. What yes
is is July. I wouldn't be surprised it's now been

(37:06):
moved to December. Actually, it turns out it was originally
July twelfth, and it was moved to June. Then June.
Now it's December. Why wouldn't they drop it? I'm like,
if we're open back up, are you gonna go to
will you go to movie theaters? I feel like people
will flo I don't know if people have flocked to them.
I feel like they will. I guess that wouldn't there
be one of those things that they would have to

(37:28):
probably limit how many people are in there at a time. Yeah,
there and their research I'm sure tells them, you know,
like they wouldn't. I just wanted like when when? Okay,
I guess this is the question. We get back online.
First thing you're gonna do, Ryan, is what that you
have been able to do? Oh? Man, um, I guess
probably go to a restaurant would probably be I like

(37:49):
the that's what I would do too, would go to
a restaurant. Let's see restaurant bing. Okay, what about you, Ramos?
What are you gonna do? The first thing you can do? Oh?
I it would be a restaurant too, I mean you
can't Okay, yeah, I would say, um, well, I think
we would coach my son's baseball team before what like

(38:16):
no vacations. I got a vacation. You were off all
the law summer too with the baby. That's true, but
that was we interrupted John Ramas's normal vacation or his
post quarantine vasas. Are people going to travel? You travel
to Europe? I don't know. I kind of thing I

(38:38):
want to I just I don't know. I don't have
a compromised immune system. But you know, every time I
go around, I feel like, well then I can't go
see my mom or you know, my mom or whatever.
Just trying to keep her away from this kind of thing.
I don't know. Its gonna be interesting to see what
people flocked to. I feel like taking your Yeah, I guess,
I guess it's a limit. And how many people will
be able to go in the theater, because otherwise you

(38:59):
would saying people will flock to the theaters, like man,
I just want to go out and see dinner in
the show. They're in the show, all right. Coming up next,
we're talked about the Cowboys. This passed hour, we talked
a little bit with brock Cured about the Buccaneers. Tom
Brady's already having worked outs with his Buccaneer teammates. The
general manager has already come out and said, hey, these

(39:20):
are two guys really well aligned. But even Jason Light
there there, gentle manager pointed out something that I think
is the biggest potential hurdle in Tampa playing at home
in the Super Bowl. Share that way the upcoming next
to The Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

(39:41):
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific
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What Up Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I think
as we get ready for the NBA season to come
back in my was just telling me NBA season is
coming back in fifteen minutes to give you kind of

(40:04):
what I've heard. But you know, look, there's pretty much
three teams that are interesting, maybe maybe four. You know,
we get ready for the Major League Baseball season. You know,
there's like three teams that are interesting, maybe four. Obviously
the Astros and what that looks like considering they lost
in the World Series, but then they lost their manager,

(40:26):
their general manager, and several of their top players, and
of course, uh, they're like a public enemy number one
for American baseball fans, especially Dodger fans and and and
others Yankee fans. They're an interesting team, I would say.
In the NFL, Cowboys are always interesting, Packers are always interesting,

(40:48):
Patriots are interesting, right see what happens after Tom Brady leaves?
And the Buccaneers might be the most interesting because because
on paper it all seems to work right here after
right tackle, the rest of the line is good. The
defense is well coached and better than you come to
expect for a team that drafted as high as they
were drafting. They got two stud wide receivers, they got

(41:11):
three good tight ends. They have a coach who has
had success before with star quarterbacks and now you have
Tom Brady. Jason light is their GM. He was on
Sports Center with s VP take a listen. I have
a lot of concerns on that. Right now we have

(41:32):
a head coach that be quite Frank isn't going to
be here for the next fifteen twenty years. So I
think it was actually a perfect marriage. You've got two
guys that got something to prove. They want to win.
They want to win now. Um, they got the same mindset. Yeah, yeah,
that look that sounds all good. They got the same mindset,
but they have different ways of solving the same problems. Right,

(41:54):
Brady has always been an underneath guy with exceptionally ain't
Raandy Moss and Bruce arians is risk it no biscuit.
But but even that really doesn't matter. I just look,
the hardest thing to conceptualize is, here's a team that's
been to the playoffs twice since they want a Super
Bowl twenty years ago twice. Um, haven't been in over

(42:20):
a decade, and we believe that they're gonna turn that
around with essentially one player or two players and a
change in mentality. Do you know how hard it is
to go from expecting to lose, to expecting to win,
and then factor in that you're everybody's biggest game. Now

(42:40):
Suddenly it's just different. When you're the Patriots. Every game
you go and play on the road is arguably the
biggest game for the other team, and they hate you,
but you're already used to it and prepared for it.
In Tampa, while I don't think they'll be nearly the
hatred there was towards the Patriots, there will be some
push back in everybody's biggest game. But do you think

(43:03):
all these guys are ready for that? I think the
answer is no. But winning is more than anything of mentality. Mentality,
and if if you haven't been there, if you haven't
done that, you just it isn't easy to do. You

(43:25):
can't just go from hey, we haven't been in the
playoffs too, let's play for a super Bowl. There are
steps to be taken. I mean, look, even the Chiefs
lined up off sides and and this is after several
years of losing at home in the playoffs when Alex
Smith was their quarterback. How long Michael Jordan took what

(43:46):
seven years? Peyton Manning he quickly turned around the Denver
Broncos of course they got stopped in the super Bowl.
But he didn't get to the super Bowl the first
year because Joe Flacco through an unbelievable pass and Peyton
couldn't do anything in the wind. So I just this
idea that you you bring Brady in and all of

(44:06):
a sudden it changes one or two guys that change
the culture is a lot, and the culture of Tampa
has always been, Hey, they're pretty fun. This team is
gonna score some points better and you think better fan
base than you think. But it's hard to have two
guys to make a winning culture. Yeah, it feels like

(44:27):
there's three outcomes. One, the whole thing goes up in flames, right,
just disaster too. And this is probably the most likely.
They're a good team, they're getting the playoffs and they lose,
and we determine it to be a failure because a
success that he left the Patriots who don't make the playoffs,
but a failure because they lose early in the playoffs.

(44:48):
And three, the dream scenario is you get you give
this guy who's who hasn't played with weapons in years,
the best weapon he's had in years, and he just
takes the league rough runs, rush shot by the league.
My guess is its option to not not three and
not one, but one is more likely than three is
likely because he's in his forties. So in in interesting teams,

(45:17):
that doesn't mean they're the best teams, right. The Eagles
are a better team than the Cowboys, but the Cowboys
are more interesting. The Saints are a better team than
the Buccaneers, but the Buccaneers are more interesting. But what's
interesting about the Buccaneers to me is can they flip
that attitude, that mindset and do so uh in in

(45:41):
such incredibly short fashion. Can you do that? That's that's
gotta be a difficult ask. Gotta be difficult, all right,
coming up next, Um, here's I'm gonna get to I
have inside information on what I've been told is going
to happen in the NBA. Now it is not This
is not me going Adrian Ward Danowski. It's probably what

(46:04):
ends up happening, and the general sense, and there's still
some planning on how to do it. And you're starting
to see different parts of the story play out. And
there's a reason why I know how many teams I
think I know how many teams will get to go
about how they're gonna do it, and what the hold
up is an announcing it. I'll share that with you

(46:24):
next on The Doug Gotlip Show. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. So here's what I've been told sources, sources,
NBA is coming back, um and Orlando is the destination

(46:46):
and the reason. And you're like, well, I thought Vegas
and you have the West Coast teams in Vegas. The
the issue with Vegas a couple um one. I just
think they want it all in one place, all right.
It's these are control It's one place to Vegas, Vega.
Vegas wants to get back online being Vegas not sure
they want to get back online, being just just oh,

(47:07):
it's not that Disney doesn't want to reopen. But it's
a little bit it's a little bit different. Right. They
got the Milk House, and you you know, you can
have it in one hotel or maybe two different hotels
who that can be that are Disney owned, whereas you've
got all the conflicting alliances in Vegas, and Vegas makes
money off the tables and they don't want to to

(47:29):
be protecting people just it's too much Vegas Orlando where
options Orlando is the likely destination. And if you saw
Mark Stein tweeted today that each team is being told
uh if and when we get back, going, thirty five
people is the max? All right, that's you get. Normally

(47:50):
they can get fifty or more. And your traveling party
thirty five people is all you get, which to me though,
only signifies why you don't need to have. You know,
there's there's thirty teams in the b A normally the
top eight in each conference. In each yeah, normally the
top eight, so sixteen make the playoffs. This time you'll

(48:12):
probably have somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty, right, because
you have kind of grouped up. But I I don't
think they're going to call on those bottom ten teams.
And the logic is actually really really sound. Logic is
actually really really sound. And here's what it is. I mean,

(48:35):
the truth is they don't want those teams because those
teams don't want to play. What's the point They've already
played two thirds, two more or three quarters of their season.
What are a couple more day games gonna do for
them other than potentially injured players, and oh yeah, by
the way, cost their owners even more money. But the
way out of it, the way out of giving everybody

(48:57):
a fair quote unquote fair shot, is this. If you
eliminate the bottom ten teams in the league, and everybody
had thirty five people in their traveling party, you're taking
away three hundred and fifty extra people in terms of

(49:17):
the ability to keep everything safe and uh sanitized and
protected from COVID nineteen. I think the NBA will end
up using your coronavirus to protect themselves from having to
bring in the bottom ten teams league. Everybody else will play,
and the only question is how do they do it right?
How do you play a couple of games to get

(49:37):
ready for the playoffs and they're all gonna be seven
game playoff series, And my guess is some form of
games or exhibition games against the other conference. Understand So
if you're the West, you'll play three to five games
against the East and vice versa in order to get
yourself up and going. You have your training camp, you

(50:03):
don't have exhibition games anywhere other than the site of
where the bubble is. And once you get to the bubble.
You can't leave the bubble until you decide you're leaving
the bubble. You're gone forever. And what's better to have
a bubble? Uh, with with or without three additional people?
My guess is the NBA comes back and they almost

(50:24):
get right to the playoffs or at least with playoff
caliber teams, and the last ten out don't really care,
and their way out, way out, way from out, from
underneath it is to say, hey, look, we're taking three
fifty people out of the mix. It makes it easier
for us to to stay healthy. Makes sense? Yeah, yeah,
go ahead, right music. So Chris Haynes, going back to

(50:46):
late last week UM, he reported about how some of
the star players had all gotten on a call and
they were sort of trying to create a unified front
on getting returned to play games. What did you make
of James Harden being not necessarily against coming out to play,
but he said he was trying to wait for the
pandemic to calm down a little bit to make sure

(51:07):
that it was safe to play. Sort of feels like
he was the one somewhat dissenting voice to not be
all in on, like, hey, we should be playing games
sooner rather than later. Um, it was weird when I
saw that, you know, it was, wasn't it? I mean

(51:32):
it felt that way, you know, he wasn't like like
I feel like everybody I talked, just like, let's just
play right? Does he have somebody close to him and
got sick? I believe the only real star player that
we've heard, And we don't know about his mom and
if she was healthy otherwise. Not not that I'm trying
to diminish what he went through. That's terrible to go
to go through. Um, I don't know. I think it's

(51:56):
really and it's yeah, he is really the only guy
well and if when I'm looking back on this original
report from Chris Haynes on May twelve, it does appear
that James Harden was the one name not on this list. Chris,
Paul Lebron, James, Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant, Janice Kawhi, Leonard,
Steph Curry, Dame Leonard Damian Lillard. Why wasn't he on

(52:18):
the call? He missed it. He missed a Zoom meeting
time When when it first happened, I was on it
and then it was off it And once I got
off it. Then somebody has sent me a new meeting.
When when it first happened, I didn't necessarily notice that
he wasn't a part of it. But now that I've
seen that, and then he was the one to sort

(52:39):
of be like, hey, you know, let's wait for it
to slow down a little bit, it does seem like
he's the one star player that's not all in on
let's start playing games. Does that matter? I suppose it
doesn't unless he were to take that next time we
come back and play. I'm not playing any defense matter,
right like whoa, oh, whoa say something else, big boys,

(53:04):
some else doesn't matter. Ah, I don't know. I look,
I'm I'm intrigued. I'd be really interested to see what
the Rockets will end up doing. It. It's not gonna
be a shortened series. You know, you'll have seven game series.
But I do wonder what playing a neutral site does
to all those threes and how they're playing. And you know,
if they could, they could. I still think they're gonna

(53:26):
upset somebody in the playoffs. I don't think they win
the Western Conference, but I don't I wouldn't want to
play the Houston Rockets. Fox Sports Radio has the best
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I Heart Radio app search f s R to listen live. Alright,
so how many weekends we got left till we have
we had sports? You think we got probably three? Anythink

(53:49):
arou almost three weekends you got? Next weekend is is one?
And then I feel like July that July fourth all
America weekend or that seems because you know, the fourth
falls on a Saturday, the third is a Friday. For
some reason, it seems like that would be the like
ultimate weekend to start sports to me in America. I

(54:14):
was just looking at the resorts in Scottsdale this weekend
all sold out, really yeah, because they're the only ones
that got the pools open. Whatever. And in in southern
California you can some of these hotels rope, but you
can't have a pool open just yet. Pond you can
have but pool pool in a pond pond be good
for you. Um, But I I think it's there's like

(54:37):
it all depends on your where you live. Is how
you feel about this thing? Ryan? Where how do you
feel about this thing about opening stuff? But you're in charge,
What would be your honest feelings? He's the answering the phone.
What about you, um aramos, how do you feel? Well?
It's funny. I'm on the board for our little league
and we've been talking about this for the past two weeks.

(54:59):
When wh do we start baseball? When do we start?
And it's it's a tough question answers. A lot of
legality stuff around it too, you know, with the parents
and you know you're gonna just release your kid to play,
and it's it's gets tough, Dug. It really is a
hard question to answer. Irvan. What do you think if

(55:20):
you were in charge of the world, what would you do?
I'd the same thing that that John says. Fourth of
July just sounds like a perfect time to to get
everybody back, and it's gonna be time to watch baseball
because everyone's gonna want to stay inside in the a C.
Do you think everyone's want to stay inside the July No,

(55:40):
I'm saying it's gonna be time thereafter. I mean, people
are gonna want to enjoy conditioning and watching games. I
kind of feel like about all these sports, you're gonna
miss the window because the second you go like Hey,
you guys can go like I'm out. I'm out. I've
been watching TV for three months. Day, I've been going
a beard. I've got to get a shave. I want

(56:03):
to get a haircut. Come out middle cough. I put
you in charge of the world. When do you open
everything back up? Right now? Like twelve roll? I mean, Doug,
I didn't even realize. I'm not kidding that it was
a moral day weekendun til yesterday, because why why would you?

(56:23):
Especially in California, It's like it hasn't changed that much though.
I have family in the valley in the Fresno area,
and they they're rocking and rolling, you know, they're going, Yeah,
that that fits Fresno. It's all but Napa, Napa's nap open.
What's crazy, though, is I was telling the guys just
looking like an Arizona resorts in Scottsdale and they're all

(56:46):
booked like they're they're they're back online, they're going and
you can tell me you're doing social distancing, but come on, man,
you know you're laying out by the pool, and which
would suppose they kills the thing anyway, But I just
I'm with you on that. Why a buddy. That's like, hey,
are you doing this weekend? I'm like, no, not really,
Like you want to go play Pebble He's like it's cheap.
I'm like, how much is it. He's like yeah, it's

(57:06):
just a little under five hundred. Like yeah, when he
said cheap, I thought you made like two hundred bucks.
So it's like they're getting a lot of run at
Pebble Beach. Yeah. I would not play five dollars. There's
nowhere on earth I would pay five hundred dollars to
play golf. Yeah, I mean a gus. No, I wouldn't
do it. I would do that, but I'm with you,

(57:27):
I wouldn't pay it to go to Pebble Beach. Now,
if nance is going to commentate on every one of
my shots, then I would pay a gust to that
play Gust National for for for five hundred bucks. Yes, Yan, Doug,
you are an infamous You only play like thirteen or
fourteen holes of golf? Would you play the full eight
teen out of gust that? Yes? Okay, yes, yes, I
actually you know what My my problem with golf is,

(57:51):
I've never taken a guy's golf trip. I just haven't. Um,
there's I could go into a litany of reasons, mostly
because was like, I don't know, guy's golf trip, but
just like, really, this is all we're doing. Yeah, and
it's great. It's great. It depends if you have too
much fun at night and then the golf kind of stink. Yeah,
and then you're like yeah, especially because you know, if

(58:13):
you're going to a nicer place or tea, times are
usually earlier, so they actually they mesh that first day.
But if you do it like three days, like I
did the band and Dunes for my brother's bachelor party,
and it's a cool in theory, but about the second
day on the you know, third eighteen, you're ready to
tap out. Your back hurts, You're like tired of walking.

(58:33):
You're like every shot looks the same, this place is hard.
I can't find my ball. It's it's so I mean,
it sounds like the most ever rated thing ever. I
don't know. I would. I would like to play one
great round, Like at pebble. I never played there, was
supposed to play there. I was up there for some
other thing and we're supposed to play peble and it
was raining. They're like, you guys want to play? People like, no,

(58:55):
I just played eighteen holes of golf in the rain.
Like the last thing I want to do is go
to pebble and play in the rain. No thanks, I'd
like to play, but I like, just play eighteen holes,
no cell phone, Nobody tells me when I got a beast.
I always have to be somewhere. Is the problem where
I feel guilt of not being weed somewhere somewhere else.
I do think an underrated event to go to, just
in general, are PGA tournaments. You went to the US

(59:16):
Open a couple of years ago, didn't you just to
hang out? Yeah, we've we've been. You know, booze is flowing, Uh,
the A T and T there's awesome. I know, Riviera
looks cool, like obviously the waste management that it's actually
an under undervalued I think kind of like a sporting event.
A lot of younger people boost tents. It's you don't

(59:36):
even end up watching any golf. Yeah, but that's the
whole thing, Like if you're going to actually watch the event,
you're not going to watch the event. And if I
want you just you just go to go outside basically, yeah,
to drink outside. Yeah, And and and if you got
like a sponsors tent. Then you're not paying for it either,
which makes real Yes, that's you and I speak the
same language. Middlecoff joining us Stug gotlip show here on
Fox Sports Radio. I said this about the Cowboys. They're

(01:00:00):
gonna resign Dac. It's gonna be for too much money.
It's gonna change the way when we look at him.
But this is what the Cowboys do, right, Like it's
they wait a little bit too long, they spend a
little bit too much, and they get a little bit
too into their stars. And yeah, I mean that's just
that's just very much on brand for them. I would
tend to agree with you on a typical year, but
it and maybe it's just because O. T A. S

(01:00:20):
aren't going on, so the story would be amplified. Right
if he was holding out and wasn't at practice, it's
hard to tell like what he would actually be doing
and where he hasn't said anything. I just wonder, are
are we sure they're not just gonna kind of go
play it this out this year a little Kirk Cousins
style and just see like new coach, new scheme, just

(01:00:41):
kind of a new situation. I know Jerry's the boss
and Jerry's old. But you know, with these crazy, outlandish demands,
because even if you go, you know, I want forty
plus million by the fourth or fifth year, you could
justify once the world kind of gets back rolling and
the salary cap will be huge, that wouldn't be that
crazy money, even though for him still feels extreme. Is
just he ever a top tier quarterback? I think, Listen,

(01:01:04):
I'm a Dak fan, but I love him to a point,
and I think I would imagine Mike McCarthy, uh, you know,
has somewhat similar view. You can't work with Aaron Rodgers
in the peak of his powers, and I go, yeah,
I think this guy's got the chance to be like
one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Now. Dad
could be solid, and he already is, but is he
gonna get that much better? I mean, we saw him
last year. I know. My people with the Eagles were like,

(01:01:27):
we we came in empty hand into that game in
Philadelphia at the end of the season, and he just
couldn't be us, you know, and and we were playing
with it basically an empty clip in our gun, and
somehow we found a way to win. The Eagles had
no business winning that game and he just he was
not good. And I know McCarthy wasn't there, and Jason
Garrett and where of the coaching staff. But the problem
isn't this pandemic McCarthy like they haven't had a chance

(01:01:50):
to work together. Have they even talked. It's just a
it's a bizarre deal. I don't think. I don't feel
confident in either way. Guest in the Doug Otlet Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. You see Flacco signed with
the Jets. I did one point five millions, so's he's
officially a backup. I thought I just had surgery to
like that. That's in April. I just ready, not even

(01:02:14):
you wouldn't even be ready. He couldn't even play in
a preseason game. Someone just tweeted I kind of I
kind of like, not like I didn't love I don't
love that. You don't need to post videos off you're
working out if you're Cam Newton, Like, don't care. But
I kind of like him now sitting out and just
waiting and being America's backup because I could. I don't
think he's a great fit as a backup, but I
think he's a he's got a chance to reinvigorate himself

(01:02:37):
if the right guy goes down. And every year somebody
goes down, like I can name Houston, Baltimore, Buffalo, Um.
You know, if Dwayne Haskins sucks after a while, maybe
I don't know. They've got so much money tied into
Alex Smith they need him to retire. Like I kind
of go through it, and I think those are some
of the places that that he could he could land
if somebody gets hurt, and you know how these coaches are,

(01:03:00):
Think how many rosters do you think you're in good shape?
These guys haven't seen a player since you know, a
lot of these teams since late December, once you get
to training camp. I used to see it in training
camp after we had all o T A s and
then two days into the past, like, yeah, we gotta
get rid of this guy, we gotta get rid of
this guy. We need upgrade here. I think it's gonna
happen all over the place, especially at quarterback with so

(01:03:20):
many new coaches, so many new just turnovers just naturally
in the sport. I think by about week one of
training camp, assuming it starts as normal, cam's even if
a guy isn't hurt his interest will be dramatically higher. Plus,
when coaches and GM are together every day, like literally
shoulder to shoulder, even if they're social distancing at the time,

(01:03:41):
this is all they would talk about is how can
we upgrade? And Cam Newton just being available depending on
his price. Uh, I'd be shocked, honestly, Doug if he
hasn't had offers right now, right and he's just kind
of poo pooing um, you know, kind of like a
Jami's type. Deill come in for basically nothing. I don't
think he might have the authors for nothing, but I
don't think. I mean, like we go through the teams.

(01:04:02):
I just don't think there's an interesting him that people
think because because here's the thing, what is Cam Newton?
Do you know definitively what how he would how you
would play Cam Newton if you had him? Well, no,
because he's been an injured guy. So I don't even
know if he's healthy, right right, So let's let's say
but even if he is healthy, stays the reason he's
not the same runner. That's why they try to make
him to a thrower when he was in Carolina. Right

(01:04:23):
then you're like, all right, well then forget about his
letting that now we don't think of the same runner.
He's never an accurate thrower. We don't know about his
shoulder and needs of his shoulder is healthy, we don't
know if it holds up. I I think one element
of like the Cam Truthers, they forget when he was
in the peak of his powers. They were running quarterback power,
you know, like as a part of their offense. I mean,

(01:04:45):
I think that's MVP seas and ten touchdowns. He would
run behind the lead blockers consistently every game. So yeah,
they're going to be a large percentage of people that
you would assume of like why would they be interested?
Are just not gonna like him because the wear and
air on his body is not your typical thirty one
year old because you've also got a factor in like
the running back legs and he's legitimately been hurt, and

(01:05:07):
then if the shoulder is messed up and he's never
been the most accurate guy. But I've seen enough of
these workouts with no name guys. Let alone a guy
like Cam Newton. If you bring him in August one
and put him through a workout or have him sit
with the coach and he says the right things like
it's it's not that hard to kind of resurrect it. Now.
I'm with you that you've got to find the right fit,
as Jami's found the perfect fit right go to New Orleans.

(01:05:31):
You know, if Drew Brees goes down like he did
last year, he'll play not Taysom Hill and Boom. He
could look good and then all of a sudden he's
their long term answer. Or maybe he gets himself a
job next year or somewhere else. Cam you know, I
would imagine wants to find that ideal fit. But like
you said, who knows, it might not it might not exist.
He might have to go somewhere that's not quote unquote ideal.
Oh I don't. I don't know that. That's the problem

(01:05:51):
when you hold out and wait, is you don't really
know that you control. Yeah, it's totally out of your
totally out of your control. Which I've actually kind of
to do in terms of travel this summer, right, Like
what if you could just go and like all right,
here's the I'm gonna give you five hundred bucks, find
me somewhere I've never been before, and you like keep
it and you land you're like, Okay, let's go that

(01:06:12):
kind of that's kind of fun. That could be a TV.
Where are you gonna go? I don't know. I just
said I'm I'm offering up. Somebody else could send me
somewhere and I wouldn't even know when I got on
the plane, right, Like, they don't tell you where you're going.
You get on a plane, you land, They're like, all
right here you are go be fun if you ended
up in the right spot. True. True. The first thing

(01:06:34):
you're gonna do, the first thing you're gonna do when
we get out, is what I mean. You just go
somewhere and eat. I mean you kind of take for granted.
I do like going to restaurants and eating, you know,
I mean you just you get that taken away from you.
But do you do you? I mean do you? I
mean did you take out? I mean yeah, but it's
it's not the same. I mean sometimes I want to
get out of my house. I just like, like I

(01:06:55):
like it in my house too. I mean I would
love to go to my him, get it. That's what
I'd like to do, right, Just get a just get
a workout in, right, I would be amazing. But I
feel like that's farther away than it is closure, right,
I think will be next week or two whatever you
think the gyms by early June. I think it depends

(01:07:17):
on what type of facility it is right there. I
think the big mega gym's, you know the ones, the
gold gyms that you go and do biceps on like
three times a week. I don't think those ones are
opening up anytime soon. What are you gonna do when
you show up your gym though, and they're only allowed
capacity and is already in there, and they tell you
to wait, but they don't know when people are gonna
come out where you sit there and wait. No, No,

(01:07:39):
that that's gonna be a problem. That's that's that's gonna
be a problem. Absolutely gonna be a problem. Uh. Here's
a question. NBA. John Middaloff, our guest in the Doug
Golip Show three ounce, the podcast just dropped. Some of
this podcast thing drop the same time is mine. It
is really is better than mine. This is all football, minds,
all basketball. Um okay, uh do you believe let whoever

(01:08:00):
wins the NBA championship, let's say they're gonna come back
and play. I think they're gonna play in Orlando. That
so I've been told, is that a legitimate NBA championship? Yeah?
I think it is. I mean it's not. Do we
hold the ninety nine and that was differently they played
a shorter season so they didn't halt it. I I
you know, the way time goes on. I don't think
as long as we're not doing like best of three

(01:08:23):
until the conference finals. To me, if they play the
normal playoffs, even if they finished, you know, seventy game
regular season, so they're skipping twelve. If Lebron wins it
or Kauai wins, and I think we'll give them that
real one. Now, I think where there might be somewhat
would push back if like a random team were to
win it. You know, let's say like somehow the Sixers

(01:08:43):
come back and they're just boys and they just rattle
off and he'd be like, they never would have wanted
if this thing didn't get halted. That's where because to me,
if Lebron or Kauai, which feels like they're the favorite,
and be honest, they'll get proper credit like they just
won the NBA change it depends on who wins it, right, Yeah,
if Harden weord to win, it would we'd make some
excuses totally same same thing, like if if Toronto or

(01:09:06):
Boston somehow pops up and windsy east and then wendsay
be like, nah, that one didn't count. Lebron winsay, like
see Lebron the Clippers winning, you like see Clippers Kuai.
I I do think that it's a difficult situation, like
for all the crappy teams are are the Warriors gonna
like send Stephan I don't think that. Here's how I
think they'll get out of it. I think they'll say,

(01:09:27):
you know, we would really like to have those teams participate,
but every team's bringing thirty five guys people. If we
cut out the bottom ten, that's threefty less people. Yeah, well,
this is about social distancing and being safe. We're gonna
be safe. That's I think how they'll get out of it.
My my question is that the Warriors are the number

(01:09:47):
one pick. Should they take James Wiseman M It depends
what's out there in terms of offering a trade. Let's
say that there's not a good trade offer, and that's
you're just gonna take the best college guy that gives
you the best big picture, you know, situation. Yeah, I
mean I like Anthony Edwards, Um, I would think I
would think about that. I like James Wiseman because of

(01:10:07):
his versatility, wouldn't have to be an alpha um and
he could. He could eventually, but he's not the problem
with drafting one of these kids is they're just kids,
and they're in a window now we're over the next
three years. They're going to try and compete for a championship.
And I don't know if it makes sense to draft
a nineteen year old thinking he's legitimately going to help

(01:10:28):
you compete. Maybe. I think the Warriors a lot like
that second half of Jordan's. They're in a position they
got a couple of sweet picks, this one in the
next year's Timberwolves. They have a trade exception of eighteen
million dollars if they do it right. However, whatever move
they make, they could be equipped to, you know, compete
to win maybe one or two of the next two
or three years. Yes, no question, no question. I think

(01:10:49):
there is a second run in them, but they're gonna
have to get a little bit lucky and stay and
and by that I mean stay healthy and let's see
what happens with the rest of the league. We we
don't know what how Lebron ages. We we don't know
if if Yanna stays in Milwaukee. We don't know a
lot of different things. Have a great weekend, John, thanks
so much for joining us. All right, that's John Middekoff

(01:11:10):
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H Okay Hall of Fame coach is worried about the

(01:11:34):
impact the G League will have on college basketball stars.
Given my thoughts. Next, be sure to catch the live
edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the I
Heart Radio app. And now this is Tom is a
legendary uh Michigan State head coach on the Herd earlier today.

(01:11:57):
Look what's going on right now? You know we got
the transfer all out there, We've got the G League.
We've got people talking about kids coming right out of
high school. There's a lot of moving parts right now
in the in the basketball game in general, I worry
that we devalued education a little bit. I don't think
we appreciate maybe not only the academic education, but the

(01:12:18):
social education of college. You know, I think it's very
important when a kid comes, if it's some one or
two years, but when he's there, um, he's growing as
a person, not just intellectually, but I think socially. I
think that's important when there's not a lot of pressure
on who knows where it's all going right now, but
me personally, I've seen a lot of great kids. You know,

(01:12:38):
whether they're here one year, two years, three years, or four,
I think it's an advantage for him, and sooner or
later they're gonna get to that G League or the NBA.
And if they do, it becomes a real business and
a real job, and uh, they'll miss college a little bit.
You have no idea how good you have it. That's
what he wants to say. That's what he wants to say.

(01:12:59):
They all want to say that, Like, look, I just
if you don't make it in college and you're a
good student, you're a good kid, Like you're not going anywhere.
They just you know, all right, we got we got
Jimmy over there. We'll get into a Jimmy like he's
not gonna play, but it's a good kid. He gets
his degree to be part of our basket. Will figure
it out. If you're a good kid and you don't

(01:13:20):
make it in the G League, they're done with you.
Are you gone go figure something else out? I mean,
like what what what? What do you I don't understand
why you guys are chasing I I it's like part
of me wishes that these guys would go and get

(01:13:41):
a year in the G League and then have the
ability to come back to college, right because I believe
that their vision of the G League is some like well,
it's just a tiny step behind the NBA. Like no,
it's not. You're playing like the G League has been
social distancing since it became the G League. It just is.

(01:14:02):
I'm not I'm not trying to demean the players that
play there. They're better than the college teams. I played
minor league basketball with really really good players. I mean
I remember looking around, like when I was in en
in Oklahoma, we actually Drew Well we're in the USBL
Like Willie Burton's the ninth pick of the draft. He
scored fifteen a game. You know, um Bubba Wells lad

(01:14:22):
the country and scoring, and he was the second round
pick of the Mavericks. Gale and Young as a second
round pick of the Bucks. Like, I'm looking around, like
these dudes are skill wise better than guys I play
with in college. But you can't fill up a fifteen
thousand seat arena, go and look at all the names
of guys in G League teams. So what happens is

(01:14:43):
we will focus as parents and basketball people and fans
on the two or three ten guys that do make it,
not in the hundreds of guys that don't. My issue
is not with guys coming straight out of high school.
It's that there's no way to cap it. You kind
of have to let the market decide. But we don't
actually tell people just how tough a market it is.

(01:15:05):
There are four hundred and fifty jobs out there. And
the best part about what what time? As I said,
I told you there's a social aspect of college that
we are just missing out on. It's it's a part
of your growth in your development. It's my my son
and daughters they go to they go to camp, and

(01:15:26):
I think their camp is gonna be a go, but
we don't know, Like it's a massive investment. But what
what they get from the camp is a social aspect
that they don't get at home. There's no phones, no computers,
no movies. You know, they actually interact with other children
from all around the country and they just be They're

(01:15:48):
just kids, which is okay. And you don't like everybody.
You like some people. You make friendships. You have a
boyfriend or a girl friend, you know, you see him
at a dance, Like it's okay to just be a
college kid. Like I I look back now twenty years later,
and I stayed on campus from one short sesse. I
should have stayed that the whole time, Like you have

(01:16:09):
your whole life to come back home and work out
with your trainer or whatever. Being on a college campus
in the summer when no one else is there except
a bunch of you know, some athletes and some students,
and like, you know, it's a quarter of the people
in the college. That's the best. Man. You find a
new bar you've never been, do you meet new friends,
You make closer friendships. I've never under there's a reason

(01:16:33):
that anyone who's been to college goes best four years
of my life. And we seem to act like these
jobs are gonna go away. You know, the job will
go away if you go to college for a couple years. Like, no,
it won't. You know, remember when Adam Silver said, not
all NBA players are happy. That's because we tell them
the ability for them to be happy is to make money.

(01:16:57):
That makes you happy? Like no, no, not even close.
Don't get me wrong. Why don't you make you know?
It's like my daughter says, like, you know, money can't
make me happy. It would. I could buy some horses
and those would make me happy. The Fox say, what's

(01:17:19):
your brand? Everybody has a brand, not just companies, but teams.
Teams have a brand. The Cowboys are right on brand,
I'll explain next to The Doug Gotlip Show. Be sure
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weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox
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(01:17:40):
Updug Gotlip Show? Fox Sports Radio. Almost done, kids, We're
almost done with the quarantining. Be smart, about it. If you, guys,
if you're staying open, let you open up, then go.
If not, find ways that some friends invite us over
for swimming, cookouts, whatever I I've idea. If I showed you, guys,

(01:18:00):
I I could identify a grilling problem even from Instagram.
That's how good I am. I got Nagi, It's how
good I am and identifying stuff. We're we're almost there.
We're almost back almost. I got this survey for you
about what college football football players say about coming back.
Who got a great hour for you? M By the way,

(01:18:24):
if you missed the All Ball podcast getting downloaded the
Herd podcast network, John Middlecoff joined us. He's got three
and out minds All Ball of Courser's Rob Parker's That's
inside the Parker. Tom Verducci will join us in twenty minutes.
Get his thoughts on what Major League Baseball looks like
if and when it returns. Think it will. Yesterday, Ken

(01:18:45):
Rosenthal said thinks he'll be back. Gave us a sense
of what he thinks. It looks like players take a
pay cut, not a revenue share. We'll ask Tom Verducci
what he thinks as of today. It's a bit of
a moving target. Um, anyway, what's your brand? Right? Your brand?

(01:19:06):
It's kind of like your elevator pitch? Who are you?
Who are you? Like we had a theme yesterday, didn't we?
You know, we had a theme yesterday about knowing kind
of who you are? You can't say what you are
in two sentences. Well, it's like Cam Newton. If Cam
Newton comes back to play quarterbacks for all these people

(01:19:27):
like Cam Newton should be on a team, Like, okay,
what is he? Well, he's a running nick No, no,
I didn't run anymore, got hurt. A bunch thirty years
old doesn't run as bunch. And then of course he's
not an accurate thrower, and he's coming off a shoulder surgery.
And it's also hard to change who he is at
thirty years old. You can say, like, hey, we don't
want Cam running anymore, but he's Cam Newton's like telling

(01:19:51):
Michael Jordan's to stop trying to win every battle. That's
not Michael Jordan being true to Michael Jordan's anyway. Um,
I think NFL teams have brands, you know what the
Patriots are. Their brand is Belichick, like the Steelers are,
whether or not their offense, you know offense, and even

(01:20:15):
their defense emulates it. They are synonymous with you know, Blitzberg, toughness,
steel curtain, and they're just that's who they are and
what they feel like. They also they don't like paying
big money free agent contracts or you know, they want
to pay top dollar. That's not who they are. It's

(01:20:37):
never been who they are. The Cowboys are different. The
Cowboys brand is glitz, glamour. All right, America's team. Remember
the old Cowboys stadium, how they had the roof cut out. Well,
I was the roof cut out so God could see
the Cowboys play football. Now you have Jerry's world, which

(01:21:00):
don't know if you guys know that dome can't open.
They never open it. But that don't I wish. I
feel like they never opened it. One reason they don't
open it hard to throw a football. Interestingly, which brings
us to Dak Prescott, who I believe I know he'll
be throwing footballs there this year, and I would guess
for the next four years after he'll be throwing footballs

(01:21:20):
as well. I don't know if it's a four or
five year deal. I do know that Edward Er says,
and they actually haven't talked. This is just people talking
through the media. They're pretty close. They're at somewhere in
the mid thirties, you know, in terms of salary per year.

(01:21:41):
He's not given into the fifth year and they're probably
not going above thirty five million dollars there you go. Right,
So there's a deal to be had before July. And
this is perfect for the Cowboys. It is. It's perfect
for the Cowboys because even if we go back and

(01:22:02):
look and I think Troy Aikman was a great player,
was Trey been ever the best quarterback in the league?
Not really? Not really? Right? What what years did they
win the Super Bowl? John Romis, you do you remember
when they won all the Super Bowl when the Cowboys
were in there? Yeah? Who were the best quarterbacks in

(01:22:23):
the league those years? Brett Farve, All right, this is
kind of super on brand for them. Go back and
looked out. Look, it's been a long time. They haven't
had back to back ten win seasons. Is a true story.
Since all right, they won the Super Bowl. Barry Switzer

(01:22:47):
was their head coach that they beat the Green Bay
Packers seven in the NFC Championship game, had to beat
in the Philadelphia Eagles, but they've always had glitz glamour,
and I actually think that Jerry is sitting there going.
I don't think Dak is Troy Aikman, but Troy was

(01:23:09):
a great and respected leader, and so to his Dak
Deck's not as accurate, but similar body types, similar body
types do I think that Amari Cooper is the playmaker
Michael Irvin. No, doesn't have the issues off the field
that Michael Irvin had and probably not as dynamic on

(01:23:29):
the football field. And then at running back, I actually
think Ezekie Elliott to me all around more talented than
Emmett Smith. Canny be as consistently productive and not get
hurt and not get in trouble the way that Emmett
Smith did. But this is on brand for them. They

(01:23:53):
think they found their Aikman. They think they found their
uh um there am They think they found there Michael Irvin.
This is their brand, and they will slightly overpay and
it will be about stars and the star and that's
how they think they're gonna win a Super Bowl. I

(01:24:15):
don't necessarily agree with it, and I don't like it,
but I understand it because they know who they are
and where and how they've been successful in the past, right,
which is exactly why the Green Bay Packers were right
to do what they did on traft Day, which is
stay true to your board and if you can find

(01:24:35):
the air apparent who oh yeah, by the way, just
so happens to need a couple of years of seasoning
when we got a couple of years left with Aaron Rodgers,
all the better. The Packers draft pick is very much
on brand. Their lack of desire to go out and
sign dudes in free agency on brand. That's who the
Packers are, the Chiefs. They added a great, dynamic, past

(01:24:58):
catching running back in the first round. What's our brand?
Our brand is we got Pat Mahomes, get bat Moomes, dudes,
and we're gonna score points. We're down twenty four nothing
uh to the Houston Texans at home, and before you
can blink, we got the lead. Why because we we
have Pat Mahomes and we're just gonna keep feeding him. Guys,

(01:25:20):
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(01:25:42):
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come to the NFL, and if you want to win
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(01:26:31):
hate the game, don't hate the team or their plans,
hate the brand. All right? All right? I got bad
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This David Ubben of the Athletics surveyed forty five current
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(01:27:13):
of five in the FCS to you an idea of
how they feel about attorney in campus. Almost eight percent
say they'd be comfortable a turning campus resumed football activities.
The players were asked to rate scale of one to
five how comfortable they were, one being extremely uncomfortable, five
being extremely comfortable. No players said they would be extremely uncomfortable,
and three players said it would be a two. Honestly,
I'm fine returning today again, not a totally scientific scale.

(01:27:37):
I just I don't know how to tell you this, guys,
but it's really cool being a college athlete. You know
a lot of people who didn't play college sports or
seem to talk down on it. Oh, they're all they're
doing making money off their name and likeness. You need
to get a piece of yours link, all right, Maybe

(01:28:00):
they get some money, Like, the truth is that they're
making money more off the event than they are off
you personally. But okay, you get a lot back in return.
And look here, here's the easiest thing I can tell
you for the name and like this guys, And I
know some of the stuff is changing whatever, But in
terms of true value, um Ralph Irvin, you are a

(01:28:22):
a a vociferous sports fan, are you not? You wouldn't
have this job if you're not. How many college basketball
players could you legitimately name right now played this year
in college basketball? And I'm not saying this to embarrass you, know,
I'm I'm I'm thinking, and I actually watched a fair
amount this year, but at the moment, because I haven't

(01:28:45):
thought about them, I could, I don't even know how many.
I couldn't tell you right right, It's just completely off
my radar, right right, because there was no tournament. They
had a season, they played they like all of the games.
The season was not remember postseason tournaments are postseason. All

(01:29:07):
of the regular games were played. Nobody like, I mean,
I covered the sport. I covered the sport. I mean,
I look, could I normally could I go forty deep? Probably,
you know, a hundred deep maybe maybe, But I couldn't
tell you, like right now, at the top of I

(01:29:28):
have bam bam bam, bam bam. Right, I could think
of like six or seven names, and then I have
to start thinking. You have to go through the teams
where that was never the case. You have the n
S A tournament, Like the thing does work both ways.
They promote you and you get a chance to hang
out around your friends and you get to work out

(01:29:50):
and you get all the best benefits of being in
the school. Like everybody who's actually been through, it's like, yeah,
it's actually kind of sweet. And now it's way sweeter
than it ever has been. And I know they're changing.
I'm his dam and lighting stuff and whatever. That's the rules,
you know, whatever the rules are. I'm I'm okay with it.
But if we don't realize the value in just kind
of being around a college campus. Can't send him back,

(01:30:14):
can't send him back? Why why can't you send him back?
All of them want to go back, And that doesn't
mean that just because they want him, that's what you do.
I understand that, Like we have this discussion in my house, Well,
he's not sure he wants to play baseball, Yeah, he
wants to play football. You're gonna put him out there
and I I haven't play tag and football was his life. Like, no, okay,
so you're gonna listen to him when he says something

(01:30:34):
about baseball, You're not gonna listen to him. He said
some of that. That's a contradictory statement, right, you have
one of those I love one of those wars. Anyway, Um,
there's I'll say they want to come back. Everyone knows
that the more this thing opens up, we'll have some
court sort of you know, spike and in infections whatever.

(01:30:57):
But it's not like you're gonna stay anybody's gonna stay
at home. Once to stay at home order is lifted,
nobody's staying at home because they've been at home for
two months or more. So if you're gonna be anywhere,
be to college campus, controlled environment, medical team ready working

(01:31:17):
out so that you're staying in good shape, which causes
you helps you to fight things off. And oh yeah,
by the way, again, like I'm guessing most of these
guys who are playing collegian sports don't have underlying health issues.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific.
Tom Ferducci joins us works for the MLB Network, and

(01:31:39):
of course then will be on Fox. Best guess when
do we have baseball fourth of July? How about a
fourth of July picnic and we get to watch the
Yankees play the Red Sox, Dodgers play the Giants, the
Cubs play the Cardinals. That's the plan anyway, we all
need a plan at least to be optimistic. Okay, Um,

(01:31:59):
how far way are we from from a deal being struck? Well,
as you know, Doug, with baseball, you get into some
of these labor discussions, and this happens to be a
labor discussion. Uh. It tends to be like you're back
in middle school. When you've got a homework assignment, you
do it the last minute. I never get things done early.
So not that there's a hard deadline here, but in

(01:32:20):
order to stick to a schedule to start playing the
first week in July, I really believe they need an
agreement by ID say, at the end of the month
June one, maybe a couple of days beyond that. So
we're essentially on a two week clock here. And I
don't think it's an exaggeration to say that the future
of baseball is on the line these next two weeks.
And I say that because if in fact, other sports

(01:32:42):
are up and running doing the best they can to
get things in empty ballparks, whether it's tennis, golf, soccer,
you name it, and baseball has the protocols in place
to return, and yet they decide that they can't come
to an agreement based on how players should be paid. Uh, well,
then people are going to a be in the habit

(01:33:04):
of not having baseball and that's kind of easy to
get used to because you move on. And more than that,
and worse than that, they would resent baseball. So I
think given that that is kind of the repercussion for
not having any agreement. That's why for me, I'm like
thinking that there will be baseball because the downside is
just so big. I don't know if they'll resent baseball.

(01:33:26):
I don't I honestly don't think they'll resent. I just
think the out of sight, out of mind is the
big thing, right, Like, wait, wait, everybody's come back, and
you guys couldn't figure it out because of of money.
And I understand it's a lot of money, and there's
a good you know, we we've detailed Tom just so
you know how much how little the rank and file
actually make like there's a grand misconception about Major League Baseball.

(01:33:48):
They're the haves and the have nots. We said, all
baseball models great, Like, do you realize that those guys
make nothing in the minors and very little their first
four years in the bigs And if now they don't
wash out, now they're in for a sizeable payday. But
a good portion of them never make it to that
size will page. So I understand that. I think it's
the out of side, out of mind, And I still
think that if they don't get it started by the

(01:34:10):
fourth July, they're running the risk of missing this window
where people are around and they'll pay more attention to
your sport. Well, that's true, and I do think I
don't want to make this too big of a deal.
I think in a very small way, baseball has in
the past contributed to quote unquote return to normalcy, right,
whether it's the green light letter from President Roosevelt during

(01:34:31):
World War Two, the days after nine eleven when baseball
came back, we weren't sure whether we're safe to gether
in in in public spaces. Um. And you know, baseball
kind of has that episodic nature to it. It's there
for us every day, even if it's on, you know,
on the radio's background noise. You know, that kind of
familiar you know, especially during the summer and when we

(01:34:52):
do move about. The familiarity of baseball is big in
terms of getting back to an every day kind of normalcy.
And again it's something that's frivolous in the grand scheme
of things, but Doug, in this climate, in this world,
we could use a little for privality, right. So that's
why I think the opportunity is there for baseball. When
I use the word resent, I use that in the

(01:35:14):
sense that most people do look at players as people
with an average salary of three million dollars, right, and
if they're not playing because they can't agree on how
to divide the money, you know, And this goes back
to the one strike as well. I mean, there are
real labor issues that stake here, but I'm saying the
general fan that's out there, and especially in this climate
where there's so much sacrificing and suffering, people will not

(01:35:37):
understand if there's no baseball and the reasons why, Um,
they'll just understand that they decided they couldn't come to
agreement about money, and of course it's more complicated than that.
But that's where I think the resent comes from. Doug
gli show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so we
had Ken Rosenthal, why know you work with obviously on

(01:35:58):
Fox uh, yesterday and Ken said, look, they're never going
to agree to a revenue split, so instead they'll just
they'll just be another mechanism. Is that what you think
ultimately happens. I do, Listen, I I'm not nearly smart
enough to know where the answer lies. That I know
it doesn't. It's not in revenue sharing. It's not it's

(01:36:20):
not a matter of just you know, rejiggering the math
to figure out Okay, it's not at eight point five.
That's not it. Conceptually, you know that that dog just
doesn't hunt the whole revenue sharing thing we've had, We've
lost the World Series over it, and I think the
owners know that when push comes to shove. And again,
I'm not sure what the answer is, whether it's maybe
you make things up financially on the back end, uh,

(01:36:43):
sort of like deferred payments. Although I gotta tell you,
after baseball, in any business I'm talking not just sports here,
any business in this economic climate, there's going to be
fewer dollars on the other side of this. Anyway, I'm
talking about free agency in the off season Sason, maybe
season two, season, I don't know, but uh, they're longer

(01:37:05):
term ramifications here, but short term yeah, I think they're
gonna have to be very creative to find what the
answer is here. And that's assuming they can agree on
what the health protocols are. First, Tom Verducci joining us
in the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right,
so give me give me a picture of what you
think it looks like fourth July. Again, I'm not gonna
hold you to this and we're not gonna say this

(01:37:26):
what Verducci, but your best guess what it looks like.
Do they do the three leagues of ten teams thing?
Do they play in Arizona and in in in Florida
or do they let him play at the home stadiums?
Best guess what do you think it looks like for
the majority of teams, they will be in their major
ballparks that they have in the regular season. Toronto might
be an issue because let's face you can't cross the

(01:37:47):
border right now. I'm not sure that's going to change.
There may be some other sports the spot Los Angeles County.
I'm not sure if that's still going to be in play,
you know, early July. So you may have situations where say,
and I don't know this to be through, I'm just
gonna throw this out there. Toronto Blue Jays have to
play in the Raise Ballpark. They can train in their
spring training facility into Need and they can play there.

(01:38:09):
The Dodgers can possibly play if they can't play in
l A County, they can play in Anaheim's There. There
are ways to kind of get beyond. They're probably a
couple of places where you're gonna have to have so
called neutral or doubling up sites. Then you're gonna have
the same divisions that you normally have. Teams are gonna
play two series home and road within their division, in
one series home and road in the like division of

(01:38:31):
the other league. So that really cuts down the amount
of travel that teams are doing and it really put
the premium on your winning your division. And then you'll
have a postseason with seven teams in each league. The
number one seed gets to buy. The first round is
not a wild card game. It's a wild Card Series
best at a three. Uh, baseball needs to have a
semblance of a normal postseason because most of the money,

(01:38:53):
the TV money is tied up in postseason, and it's
based on tiers of a postseason. So you can't go
to like a a March Madness type of schedule one
and done type thing. The money comes in in the postseason,
a big chunk of it, and it comes in based
on familiar tiers that we all know, wild Card, LCS,
World Series, and I think to keep those in place

(01:39:13):
and actually adding a couple of games with wild Card
Series instead of a game, Uh, they can recoup some
of the losses. Again, it's just a small part of
what you know, everybody's losing here, But the key is
playing up regular season games to have a quote unquote
normal postseason. Tom Berducci joining us in the Doug gotlip show,
I I okay, So then what is the postseason becomes

(01:39:36):
expanded or what? Yeah? No, I think again you're talking
instead of five per league, seven per league. And you know,
Major League Baseball floated this idea to the Union even
before the shutdown here about an expanded postseason, and actually
there was a really good I thought, Uh, you know,
at first blush and baseball doesn't accept anything. I first
blush if it's a change. I thought the actual reaction

(01:39:59):
was pretty good. I know that TV networks like it,
the players would like it. You get more teams involved
in post season play, and it really brings September more
into play because you're really playing for seating. I mean,
you're in the number one seed. You get to sit
out the first round. That's huge, and you know, if
you're the eighth seed, you know you don't make it.
But if you get scrambled to that seventh spot, you
are in. And I know there's been a lot of

(01:40:20):
pushback that teams could have a losing record if you
went back in retro fitted this system in the wild
card era, there's only be like two or three teams
on the course of fifteen twenty years that would have
got in with a losing record. But um, you know
the idea that the number two seed on a Sunday
night is going to choose who they play in the
first round from among teams five, six, and seven, I

(01:40:42):
think that's pretty cool. You can call that a gimmick.
I don't think that's necessarily a bad word in today's world,
if you're trying to sell something, um, so I think
the idea that say, you know, Brian Cashman can be
announcing on Sunday Night had choice between the Indians, the Rangers,
and the Red Socks. Who the Yankees want to play
in the wild Card Round. I think that's pretty cool.

(01:41:04):
So you may see something like that. Hey, there's this
upcoming documentary on ESPN regarding the home run Chase with
McGuire and Sosa. Do you know anybody who's seen it.
I do not, but I saw the real thing. You know,
it seems like it's so long ago now, but you know,

(01:41:25):
for a lot of people, I think they're gonna be
surprised that this actually went on. I mean, it seems
to me like it's yesterday. But I know that there's
people voting for the Hall of Fame, for instance, who
were in middle school when this stuff was going on
in the late nineties. So it's fast. Honestly. What's interesting
is it was the same time as the last Dance,
Like people forget. Like I remember I was in college

(01:41:47):
and as a college athlete, I remember looking at those
guys going like, well, those guys are juicing, right, those guys,
and then and then you know, he tried to uh
McGuire tried to throw us off the trail with the
andro but the andrew uttle in his locker um, which
you know, like come on, and then ultimately he's come clean.
I just I'm I'm fascinated by what what how how

(01:42:09):
much they'll talk about the steroids and what it does,
because the Lance Armstrong thing is this weekend, isn't it that?
This weekend? And the Lance Armstrong thing like look, if
if you watch and you pay attention, you know that
all of the lies of the steroid guy, I didn't
know whether they're putting in my body, like Lance evens like,
no one doesn't know what they're they're taking. Who nobody
does that? I just I do wonder what it does

(01:42:30):
to those those those Hall of Fame debates. First of all,
I agree with you, there's a reason why guys take
p e d s and that's not because they taste good.
They work. They work and the old light if anybody
wants to tell you that, you know, if p e
d s were to be all in the end all
and then every baseball team would be filled with guys

(01:42:51):
at they're you know golds Gym in the lineup. These
guys begin with world class hand eye coordination, and you
are layering on top of that just incredible ability for
the muscles to fire and never gets fatigue over course
of course of a hundred and sixty two games season.
So I'll be interested in watching it because I think
there's a lot's been lost, a lot has been oversimplified.

(01:43:14):
People forget just just how inauthentic that entire era was. Um,
So listen, I'm someone when it comes to voting for
the Hall of Fame. I don't vote for guys who
use p p ds. They made the wrong choice. I'm
not taking away their money or their records. And every
time I have a ballot, I think about the players
who played the game clean. You know, those are the

(01:43:36):
guys who were disadvantaged. Hey, listen, honestly, I cannot take
I've never agreed with a person of your stature more.
I just I haven't. That's exactly how I exactly how
I look at. Can't take your money, can't take anything else.
The all I can do is take away. I don't
care if Perry bonds the Hall of Fame before he
made it, he knowingly Winley made a decision, and that

(01:43:59):
that to me, he just qualifies him from being from
from any ability to to validate his his immense skill
as a ballplayer. That's what you give up, You give
up immortality. Sorry, that's that's the way goes well said.
And by the way, I never buy the other theory
that the media looked the other way during those years.
I can tell you I sat across from Mark McGuire

(01:44:22):
in his living room in California before the season and
flat out asked him one on one, face to face
if he used steroids, and he denied it. Now, what
am I supposed to do? Am? I'm supposed to go ahead?
And I wrote that he denied it. Am I supposed
to go ahead and write that he's lying to me
that he's actually a steroid user. But he didn't want
to answer the question truthfully. You know, we have standers

(01:44:45):
in journalism and you just can't write opinions, and especially
when it comes to someone's decision to use P E. D.
So I think for the most part, you know, I
think the media in general acted responsibly. And I didn't
know anybody who knew, point fly what was going on.
Certain guys, certain substances. You know enough to write it
and chose not to write it, so it would be

(01:45:06):
interesting to see how the media started. That's covered as well.
Excellent stuff. Thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate Tom,
you got it man. Thanks Tom Ferducci. Joining us on
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(01:45:51):
you got there? Al Herman? They put their pants on
the same way, will you do? We are two three four,
I declare a thumb. We all know that cuts are
being made across college athletics. One example is a Georgia
state where the athletic directors informed all the school's coaches
that as of July, they all need their own mobile

(01:46:12):
phone plans. No more school phones. Part of a twelve
and a half percent cut from their annual operating budget.
They're also cutting grad assistance at eight thousand dollars per
year salary. They always sniffed the grad assistance right, like
the head coaches could give back eight thousand dollars, but
the grad assistant who makes eight thousand dollars that position,

(01:46:32):
like why why we do this? We do stupid things
and we we just we do dumb things. And the
coaches would probably happily plit payt I know that happened.
I don't we he versus versus versus lose a grad assistant? No,
not really, because they can get volunteers. You'll get guys
that volunteer to do it. Well, that's a good cut

(01:46:53):
to the budget. Yeah, the thing is interesting that that
that's interesting you you wait, they'll end up losing coaches
over that one cellphone. A cellphones are crazy creepy expensive,
aren't they? You were getting like, damn, what what was
unlimited for like seventy nine coaches getting together for their
own family plans? Yeah, Seattle could still use a new

(01:47:18):
wide receiver and well they might target Antonio Brown. So far,
their biggest offseason acquisitions have been greg Olsen and Philip Dorset. Yeah,
I mean, look greg Olsen, who, um, well, let's see
how much he has left in the tank. But tremendous player,
tremendous player. Dorset obviously was never able really to be

(01:47:39):
nearly the the guy they wanted to be when he
was in Indie or in in New England. Um. The
problem with Antonio Brown is you don't know if he's
g gonna be suspended by the NFL. And it feels
like he's going to be suspended for some period of time,
but it be enough grade because that guy can play well.
Another option they might go with is Josh Gordon, who
of course was there this past season, but could be

(01:48:00):
suspended in any time for being Josh Gordon. Uh. Steelers
have decided that they're gonna sell tickets to games. They're
selling individual tickets, but they're holding back fifty percent of
the individual game ticket inventory in preparation of possible social
distancing scenario, which which giants of this? This is the

(01:48:21):
Pittsburgh Steelers. Steelers. Sorry, yeah, I don't know. Well, we
just I have no idea. What's gonna happen to fall.
Nobody seems to We'll have sports I just don't know
if people be able to watch him in person. So
apparently Tom Brady and Sean Payton are texting back and forth.
Peyton said that he of he and Bradier do a
little trash talking, as he texted Brady, we want to

(01:48:45):
quiet the cannons hashtag keep the Cannons quiet, and Brady,
of course apparently texted him that you guys are the favorite,
You're the favorites, were the underdogs, to which Peyton says,
blah blah blah. Yeah, I would guess that Tom Brady
is a terrible trash talking texture, all right. Just you know,
his fear somebody getting his cell phone is so great,

(01:49:06):
there's no chance that he's dropping f bombs in there. Well,
at this point, we might get to see some of
Tom Brady's trash talk capabilities Sunday when they're playing golf. Yeah,
we'll see. I will be watching that. I can't wait
to see. One thing that he is a little concerned
about his Memorial Day weekend and people talking right off
the backyard of his house that he's running from Derek Jeter.

(01:49:26):
So he's purchased off duty police presence at his Tampa
Bay home. I mean look, it ain't like he can't
afford it. And it is weird creepy to be docking
off the house, like, but they're doing it. Who owns
the dock? That the dock? Well, no, they're just you know,
dropping an anchor right outside and just hanging there. That's crazy,
backing out there and pressed that the press. One of

(01:49:47):
the things you don't think about, right, Like, what a
beautiful view of the bay and you can you can
dock your boat right out there. You can just drop anchor,
like or anybody else could. Didn't see that one coming.
Didn't see that one coming. I'll ever want to do
is live in Tampa by the water. Now you do,
and you're like, oh, you know, maybe it's better to
live by the ocean where you're not in the bay.
All right, I'll be doing Dan Patrick's show Monday, right so,

(01:50:11):
and uh we'll have golf to talk about. And I
guess Nascar. I'm getting closer and closer to NBA and
NFL and Major League Baseball. Have a great, safe, happy,
more moral day weekend. Still got lip show

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