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Maybe all three, maybe all three, maybe all three. This
was Michelle Roberts, who's head of the NBA Players Association,
on HBO's Real Sports, talking about the possibility of the
NBA returning this year. I'll give you a six. Um,
it was probably an eight last week. I've gotten some
recent concerns expressed by players now that babies, children have

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been effective, so heightened concerned to come into the conversation.
So that's say six. Yeah, it's It's one of the
most bizarre answers I've ever heard from somebody who's in
a leadership perspective. The the idea that she would be
at an eight last week and now because there are
new concerns over somebody's family, that's go again, this is

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out of ten, the idea would take it down someone
not just to a six. Really feels like she's being overreactive.
And oh yeah, by the way, she actually she doesn't
need to necessarily support what she's saying with her actual actions.
But it's this idea of what image do you want

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to put off? How do you want to be perceived? Hey, look,
here's the reality to it. They're gonna play. You might
not like it. You got players that might not like it.
You've got owners that might not like it. Yeah, referees
that might not like it. You might not like it.
As a consumer, You're not not everybody is going to
like it. That's the way in which it works. But

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they are going to play. Idiot is going to happen.
It's gonna happen. And so it's not a I'm not
saying you gotta get on board with something you don't like,
but so much of this is about the messaging. I
don't know. I'm not at a six now. Six you
got facilities opened up, you've got plans being made because

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you're going you may be on the right side of history,
but no one's gonna look back at that. Hey look,
I'm at a nine in terms of desire to have
these guys who are at ten in terms of wanting
them to be on the floor. We just want to
make sure everybody's safe, everything's right, everybody's taking care of
there's some some details that have to worked out, But
in terms of getting back on the floor, like, man,

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this is we want to bring a little mental health
relief to so many of our basketball fans only nationwide,
but world. Why that's the message from the Players Association. Instead,
you're just being, frankly a nuisance. You You just have
all the star players, where most of the star players,

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lest James Harden, get on a call and say, hey,
we gotta get back and play some basketball. Now, you
got the head of the NBA p A Like, well,
isn't eight now I'm gonna six because a couple of
kids got sick. And look, I'm not trying to be heartless.
I'm not denying the level of damage that has been
done and the lives that have been lost, but like, look,
there's just a reality to gotta You gotta get back

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to work. You gotta get back to work unless your stances. Hey,
I am not letting my players play unless there's a vaccine.
If you do that, then you have to say, well,
we probably aren't gonna play in the fall and Winner
of two thousand twenty either. But I don't look, I
I believe that there are as we can need to

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get pushed back on some plans. Listen from Kevin O'Connor
of the Ringer. The sixteen stage current playoff teams. Sixteen
current playoff teams would qualify for the group stage, plus
four teams with the next best records. That'd be Trail Blazers, Pelicans, Kings, Spurs.
Remaining ten teams would be done for the season. The
survey sent to each general manager noted that the tiers

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would would be would first be created by using the
regular season standings to ensure competitive balance between the two groups.
For example, twenty teams could be allocated into five tiers. Right,
you got Bucks, Lakers, Raptors, Clippers, Celtic on Tier one,
Tier two, Celtics, Nuggets, Jazz Heat, Tier three, Thunder Rockets,
Pacers Sixers, Tier four, Mavericks, Blaze, Grizzlies, Nets, Magic, Tier five, Blazers, Pelicans, Kings, Spurs.

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Groups could be randomly drawn one team from each tier
in each group. That I mean, this is what I've
been saying for two months now. Pool play and then
pool play into a tournament. Pool play and pool play
into a turn nament, and once they get into the tournament,
they want to go seven games, they want to give buys.
You gotta get some real games in. Can't just have

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exhibition games into playoffs that that wouldn't make sense. And
they're getting close to dot in the eyes and crossing
the teas and getting this thing done. Except for you
got the head of the NBA p A saying, and
I don't know how dated the interview actually was. One
of the problems with real sports is it's it's not
like their live interviews, but it could have been done
the day before. But you have her saying, I'm out

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of like a six A six? What rock are you
living under? I understand, I listen. I if you're in
New York, your your perspective is different than in Florida,
in Texas. If you're in California, your perspective is is different.
And I'm and I'm not like it lives. I live
in a part of southern California where you have people

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that have protested closing of the beach going back a
couple weeks ago, and I thought that was one of
the dumber things ever done, not because it's not your
right to protest, but twofold one when people protested, they
didn't maintain social distancing, right, you're trying to show the government, hey,
we're mature enough. If you just open the beaches will
maintain social just all right, we'll do it in your protest. Secondly,
why are you protesting the beach protests? Something that really

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matters businesses small and large. And then of course you're
gonna have to figure out as businesses come back online,
what do you do with all these kids that don't
have summer camp? And right now, even if you're still
in school, are not actually in school like that, there's
a litany of problems to work through. But opening the
beaches doesn't really help much. It doesn't really help much.

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But look, I I hate to break to the world
is opening up, the world is learning, And it was
we were never considering being shut down for the summer.
It was never really a consideration. It was how long
until we had to flatten the curve? Did we do?
Did we not? Do we open up too quickly? Time
will tell. But Michelle Roberts is supposed to be the

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most educated person on this providing the most She's supposed
to be the one providing guidance to players, not overreacting
to players, giving them her opinion. That ain't how it works.
That's not leadership. But now, look, I think the reason

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that that that so much of the n b A
that we we don't understand is there's parts of these
TV deals, parts of the revenue deals, Like do I
really want to send the Blazers, you know, get the
Blazers or the King. Don't want to send the Kings,
you know, have them open up the facility, have them
work out, send him down to Orlando, have them go

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through training camp and get in shape and get ready
and play a couple of exhibition games, then play five
games only then to fly home to Sacramento. Like right,
if you're uh, if you're the owner of the Kings,
You're like, why would I do that? I'm just losing money?
And the answer has to be and they got to
provide inventor for TV and radio deals so that they
don't completely lose every amount of revenue for this season

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and have to write checks Like that's just not just
not something that is a sustainable model. Can't stay closed
down forever. Now does that mean you want to include everybody? No,
there's a limit to it, and you're gonna have to
find a way to navigate. You haven't been to navigate
these TV deals because you know, like the Warriors with
their home games on their NBC affiliate, what do you

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do there, Who's gonna cut that check? The Warriors don't
want to play, the league's gonna acquiesced and not have
them play. But there's still several games short of fulfilling
their need for their local regional sports network. Right like this,
This actually happens. This is part of the discussion. So
there's lots of things that we don't truly understand and

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and maybe Michelle Roberts wants to and the but this
is the same with the the MLB p A. The
only message you should be getting from the player association
is we want to play. Our guys cannot wait to play.
We'd like to be We need to be as safe
as possible, and we need to not We need not

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set ourselves back so bad financially that it's used against
us in our next c b A. But the NBA
c b A is locked in, the new deal is done, signed, delivered.
This is simply about a lack of true quality leadership
and and vision to get this thing done. That train
is leaving the station. Okay, it has been at the

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station for the last two months. It is leaving the station.
Now you can decide where you want to sit on it.
But running to catch that train and being in the caboose. Fine,
but that's what's gonna end up happening if you don't
get on board. I just I feel like we're hearing
this narrative from some people that, in an effort to

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negotiate in public, like you, end up sounding like the
most obtuse person on earth. Well, we're at about a six. Well,
players are already back at the facilities working out the
best players have already had a call saying they want
to come back and play. The league's trying to lead,
trying to figure out exactly how they want to format.
And you're at like a six. Oh, well, people are

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having pool parties in the Ozarks, which look like Vegas.
But but we we got a six six on returning
in the NBA season, kidding that the message you want
to send not you're you are cautiously pessimistic instead of
cautiously optimistic. That's how you need to We want to

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be as smart as possible, as safe as possible, and
we want to play basketball. If it's possible. I'm at
like a nine or ten. All we gotta do is
figure out smart logistics. You do that, and no one
will ever do what I'm doing, which is say, boy,
that you're really sound like a dope, and she's not.
She's obviously a bright woman. She wouldn't have gotten been
as as accomplished as she is if she's not very bright.

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But it's to me the nature of being overreactive, one
or two players calling you and saying, hey, I don't
get this, like you just need to be sound, provide balance,
be motherly, fatherly, grandfatherly, grandmotherly, whatever, and just say, look,
I get it. Give me your list of concerns. We

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will figure it out together. You're a basketball player. Your house,
your cars, your life is paid for by basketball. We
want to keep this thing going alright, coming up next. Um.
You know, I've heard some comments about Jimmy Garoppolo, and
it's fascinating if you factor in what happened and didn't

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happen to Super Bowl, you factor in their temptation with
Tom Brady. You look around the NFL and you look
at Super Bowl hangover ter backs, and you start to
think to yourself, this is a really, really really big
year for Jimmy Garoppolo, really really big year. Uh, how

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how much is up against him historically? I'll explain next.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on
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Olive Show Fox Sports Radio. We're gonna have Jason Starkin
a couple minutes, right, guys. Yeah, So I I saw

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this and I thought it was really really interesting. Obviously
this is gonna be a big year for for Jimmy Garoppolo. Um.
Matt McGlinchey, who's his stud offensive lineman form the Notre
Dame kids, said, we're so loaded, Mike, What I say?
I say, Matt, I'm sorry, Mike. Uh, Mike McGlinchey, who's
the star lineman kild have a Notre Dame were so loaded.
We're on We're on point, on a point where we

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can do something really special. Do you think about the
legacies of football players Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady Breeze had
built up their careers, It's almost like we're on the
precipit precipice of that with Jimmy, he's right there. I
think if we do, if we do have a season
like I think, he's going to prove that he's going
to take another step forward. Alright, Look, all of that

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is great, okay, and and very possible. But let's look
at the season following losing in the Super Bowl. Hey,
Tom Brady won the Super Bowl after losing to the
Eagles in the Super Bowl. But outside of Tom Brady,
Jared Goff sixteenth in touchdown passes, fourth most interceptions, nine
and seven missed the playoffs. Matt Ryan, they're up three, right,

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he was the league's MVP seven and nine missed the playoffs.
Cam Newton two touchdown, sixteen interceptions, not even close to
being what he was during his MVP season before. They
lost the Broncos in the Super Bowl and he went
falling the football down six Right, So there is a
Super Bowl hangover for quarterbacks. Um Off situation, Ryan's situation,

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Cam newton situation all different from Jimmy Garoppolo. But there's
the old Shakespearean heavy as the head that wears the crown, Right,
they do wear the crown in the NFC. Everyone thinks
the Niners have an elite level of talent, and last
year's excuse was, hey, it's his first year as a
full time starter. That excuse goes away. You can't go

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with the young. He was twenty eight last year. You
can't go with the in experienced. He's playing in the
world's biggest game. You can't go with it's a new system.
He's now been in this system for what two and
a half years. This will be his third full season
around San Francisco. Granted he got hurt in his first
full season, but he's still around the team the whole year.

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Even John Lynch admitted they talked about, talked about Tom Brady,
decided to stick with Jimmy Garoppolo. Again, Look, there's a
positive way of spinning that and saying, hey, they believed
in Jimmy Garoppolo so much that they spurned to any
chance of getting Tom Brady. But the fact that they
thought about it does not mean that they're completely convinced.

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And I think they're in the same place that I
am with with Garoppolo, he's a good cornerback. He's fine,
but there are throws that he missed in the Super Bowl.
There are throws that he made on the way to
the super Bowl that you feel like you can't make
if you want to win a super Bowl. It wasn't
just that he Overthrewmanuel Sanders. He overthrew him so much.
The guy didn't have it. Just give the guy a chance,

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you know, just give the guy a chance. And I
think their lack of confidence in him. And the first
half was also telling, like the Patriots have a good
deep you know, Patriots had had a good defense. Um,
you look in the Super Bowl and the Chiefs had
a decent, solid defense. But like the idea that they
were scared or a little hesitant, little hesitant to unleash

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Jimmy Garoppolo against the Chiefs defense when you badly outplay them.
The entirety of the first half, that that one's hard
for me to take. It wasn't like they're facing the Ravens.
Wasn't like they're facing you know, the old Seahawks and
they're flying around the legion of boom. Wasn't like they're
facing the kans City Chiefs. Good team, it's good players,

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but not built upon their defense. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific The Gotlip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's welcome to Jason Stark,
who of course has covered baseball forever and does a
great job of it over there at the Athletic Alright,
So hope is hope is? Uh is pretty high that

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the NBA will return? Where do you believe we are
on baseball? Um? All right? Well? Does I try to
be an optimistic person? And people keep asking me if
I'm optimistic there'll be a deal after what we've seen.
I don't know how anybody could use a word like
optimism to describe this. But the other thing I always

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try to say is I'm also a realistic person, And
a realistic person would look at the other sports and say,
the NHL is gonna play, the NBA is obviously gonna
figure it out, the NFL is going to play. How
can baseball not play? How could any group of people
decide that's a good idea. It is not a good idea,

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it's a disastrous idea. And so I keep thinking, in
a week or so it will become clear to everyone
they can't let that happen. That's my my one hope
right now. Yeah, I just I don't I don't know
how they cannot play, that's right, I just I don't
know how they can. I don't know. Like you have

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to start with the premise of you're gonna play, and
let's figure out how we do it. And I don't
think it helps that you know, Korean baseball is on TV,
is like, well, they figured it out, Well, why can't
we figure it out. I think these things are working
against them, even if and the m l b p
A has every right, especially with the pending cb A
talks that I'm sure are gonna be tenuous, and the

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player Association putting you know, Tony, the players putting Tony
Clark on notice because no one's happy with the previous deal. Like,
I understand all of that, but you have to start
with the premise of we're gonna play and how we're
gonna work it out. Otherwise you send a message to
your consumer that, regardless of how controlled concerned you are
with with health and safety, that it's about it's all

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about money and not about you know, them having the
entertainment value, especially during this stressful time, and I just
for baseball especially, it could be a great time for
them to be interesting and much more front page news.
And the more they delay and the more they fight
over things, the more it it allows any national consumer

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to think the worst, not the best. I couldn't agree more.
I mean, I think they've already sent that message. Unfortunately.
You know, I wish just could have been done quietly.
I wish that I covered sport like the NBA, where
they can just stayed at him sober, we all trust
you figure it out. Um. I wish that if neither

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of those things are going to happen, this has started
with some statement that this is these are extraordinary times.
They require mutual sacrifice, so we need to find a
way to do this. None of that has happened, and
so we are where we've always been. I've seen this
movie a million times. I don't know why every baseball

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negotiation has to start this way, but they do the
only again, I keep cleaning this hope that they don't
all end this way. They start looking like a train wreck.
And then the last twenty five years they have always
figured it out. Well, they need to figure it out now. Well,
except for that one time that they did another World series,
they've always figured out years ago. Okay, let's not do

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that again. No, I listen, and I understand, like, look,
I'm sure Tony Clark sitting there going like, what would
Donald fear do? Right, Like Donald verre perfect name for
a guy in his position, and you know he would
have said no to everything, and then you know, eventually,
you know, you feel like he'd get his way. But
you know you're not Donald Pire And this is a
very this is a completely new world. Um and and

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I I've also read, and I don't know how the
people you've talked to you, I've read where one of
the concerns is that with the financial loss of teams
are gonna take that teams will be vengeful in free agency.
I don't think they'll be vengeful as much as just
responsible on some level. Will there be will they be ticked? Yeah,
But I also just think there's a responsibility. Like, look,
I had to lay off a bunch of people in

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my office because we didn't have home games. Now I
gotta higher back a bunch of people. The last thing
I'm gonna do is go and sign Mookie Betts thirty
five million a year for ten years when I don't
know what the financial impact that ramifications are gonna be.
So I think there's this sense that from some Major
League Baseball players like, hey, we gotta do this right,
but we and we don't want to be forced to

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play because just because they're gonna be mean to us
in negotiations, when I just I think they got to
play in order to make some sort of dollars for
this year. Just survive this year, get through it, and
then business can be much more as usual next year.
You're exactly right, Um, you know they need to play
for every reason, but that is definitely one of the reasons.

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I don't think it's going to be a great year
to be a free agent, no matter what. I wouldn't.
You know, Mookie has been dreaming those fo million dollar
contract dreams. I might be trying to revise that dream
no matter what. But that is one more reason they
have to get this done. Is you've got to try
to salvage the future. And you know, to keep asking

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people in baseball, I don't see a middle ground, but
where is it? Where can they find a way to
do a deal. And increasingly people are focused on that
you need to put in place protection for next year,
protect and for free agents, protections for all the players

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that don't have a contract for next year, which is
most of them. Um, everybody's gonna lose money this year.
That's going to happen no matter how this turns out.
But there has there have to be protections in whatever
deal gets done for the group that doesn't have a
contract for next year, including the big free agents and
the little ones. Yeah, that's that's that's great. Okay. So

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um we both think though that they they're gonna play
because at the end of the day, it's just it's
just too much money, just too much money. What do
you think it looks like? What do I think the
season looks like? What do I think the deal looks
like the season? I don't. I actually I know that
I know the devil's in the details with the players.
I don't think fans care. They just don't. They're like,

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are you gonna put it on TV? Then I'll watch it. Yeah. Well,
first off, I think we keep hearing about what people
refer to as the magic dates. You know, July fourth
to get started again, eighty two games, finishing about when
you would have finished at the end of September anyway,

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the spring training two point oh starting in the second
week of June. I don't actually think that those dates
are are either magic or etched in stone. I think
they're movable. I think all the numbers are changeable. If
they I don't know how to have a deal by
June one, that's five days from now. So as they

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continue to push onward trying to figure it out, it's
conceivable to me that you pushed the start date back,
and that might have an effect on how many games
they play. I would hate to see under eighty two
games because I don't know if hey, you can even
call that a season. But I think there is motivation

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to play games period. However many you have time to play.
If it's eighty, it's sixty, if it's fifty, if it's
less than that. I think if they can figure out
the details, they will play. And then I think you'll
see experiments with all sorts of different rules universal d H.

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That one's almost for sure. The other ones are still
in play. But I think the ex training typebreaker rules
they use in the minor leagues, all kinds of stuff
like that will be part of this if it happens,
and let's hope it does. Yeah, I I the universe
of d H is is interesting. I love the double switch,
like we're gonna have to go R I P to
the double switch. I love that. I understand that they

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want to they want to make it a more offensive game.
What are we doing with pictures having bats? I do
understand that. Uh. And it also creates more jobs, you
know for older players that can't go out of the field.
So I'm sure the the mlbp A loves that and
they'll have a deep they'll have a deeper roster. Um.
Uh what about the gameplay action? Do you think, like,

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I mean, do you will that? Will we have definitely
nine inning games? Will they try and speed it up?
But they to try double headers? Like what are the
what are the ideas that you still hear being banded about? Okay, well,
the reason to play two games starting July fourth is
you don't have to try to cran in extra games
in a really tight window. So you wouldn't have to
have a double headers. You wouldn't have to have to

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seven inning games or one not any game one seven
inny game. All those ideas have been thrown out there.
But you know what happens if they don't get a
deal done in a week and now they do have
to start pushing back the date and TV doesn't want
them to go into November with the postseason, and um,
they have fears about a second wave of the virus

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and they don't want to go to go that route anyway.
Then that that stuff comes back into play in terms
of what do you have the d H permanently that
has to be negotiated, that has to be part of
the c b A. Unless everybody loved it at the
end of this year, you know, I'll pay. There's an
idea that I wrote about. It's not my original idea,

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but I put it in a column over the Winner,
and people went crazy talking about a debating it. Matt
is you have a universal d H. But the d
H is only in the game as long as the
starting picture is in the game, or you can even
negotiate if you want to use an open or the
principal picture so that when that starter comes out, you

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still have a few innings of the kind of decisions
that people love about National League Baseball. But fun compromise,
it is it is. I love it. You wrote the
book on the Worst Trades in the History of Baseball.
It's still one of my favorite books. I'm like the
amount of research you had to do is obscene, right, Um,
but the Mookie Bets one could be an all time

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time if he didn't play for the Dodgers. I mean,
I don't know how much saying how much of that
money they'll have to pay him, but I mean, think
about your MOOKI and for Mookie Bets, I just can't
imagine the financial hit he takes well with every day,
every passing day. Yeah, I've checked it with the Dodges
a couple of times to day after about this positive body.
They do not want to think about it. I don't

(28:04):
blame them, but you know, this brings up another issue
that I just wrote about, and that is players who
decide they don't want to play, they don't feel comfortable playing,
they don't feel safe, whatever it is. Rob Manfold said
on CNN a week or so ago, they would not
force any player to play who didn't feel comfortable with playing.

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And you know, I think what they're referring to is
guys would have to find health risks who have diabetes
or cancer survivors that class of players. But what happens
if other players star players decide they don't think it's
worth playing if they have to give back twenty million
dollars of their salary or whatever. They might not say that,

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they might say it's that's safety. But what are they
gonna do about those players? Are they gonna get paid?
Are they gonna get service time? If Mookie Beck opts
out of the season and they still become a free agent,
I think I are the Diggers would vote on that, right.
So like these are all these sight, these subplots, these
decisions that have to be figured out alongside the big

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ones that are gonna be really interesting to me, No,
it's gonna be really really interesting, and um, you know,
and then you then you also have um, you know,
like the Astros are they are they still going to
be America's bad bad Like they're they're skating on this thing.
Everything was about the Astros before the season had gotten under.
What had gotten in a way, and now the least,

(29:32):
the least concerning thing is did the Astros cheat their
way to a World Series title? It's so true. Remember
that was the only thing we talked about or cared about.
I just talked to Dusty Baker this week. He appeared
on The Stark the podcast with name doug Landville, and
I wrote Comma that some of the stuff he talked about.
One of those things was the Astros and how playing

(29:54):
with no fans helps them. He called it a blessing
in disguise. He described the kind of hey they were
getting from fans young and old this spring, and how
how difficult it was going to be to play a
season dealing with that. If there's no fans in the park,
they just get to go play. Like I like, do

(30:16):
you think they care what we're saying on the radio? Right?
I mean, I think that's one of the teams that
would be helped the absolute most, don't you Yeah, yeah, crazy?
And they would go from being booed everywhere to you know,
the deafening sounds of silence, although we would be able
to hear if anybody hit a trash can much easier.

(30:37):
Who's going to be hitting them? Not gonna let in
a family of the other team in the park, right, Jason,
great stuff, Keep up the good work, and hopefully we'll
be talking real baseball very very soon. That sounds good.
Great to talk to you, man. Do well, all right,
that's the one only Jason Stark. He's been uh, he's
been covering baseball since I started doing this, and just
a great guy. Read his work in the athletic He

(30:59):
provides a full of insight and and and historical insight
that I think few can offer because of the year
spent covering it. Coming up next, I'm shocked this league
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great day. Barbershops starting open up in southern California, but
not in l A County. What does that mean by you?
Rye music? Do you guys have the ability to get
your hair cut? I mean not that you would get
your hair cut because you get beautiful, beautiful hair and

(31:41):
a great beard. Um, what's the story in your county? Uh?
Technically a part of l A County? So israel A
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All right, I need I need me a haircut. Yeah,
I'm right there with you. But yeah, whatever, whatever soon enough,
we can we can wait. You know, everybody's in this

(32:02):
thing together. Let's get two games. This is game time
time on the Doug Gottlieb Show, Dan by Buyer. The
game today is real news. Fake news Alright, real news
are fake news, Doug that n NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman

(32:24):
said that they're planning to return can navigate a positive
COVID nineteen tests from one single player. Wait that they
can work around it, that they know they're real specter. Yeah,
that's what he said to Dan Patrick earlier today. The
medical people are telling us one test would require that

(32:45):
player to be isolated, and you don't need an overreaction. Uh,
if you have an outbreak, that's a completely different story.
So Batman furthering giving us in for giving us more
information on the announcement from yesterday that the NHL would
resume play. Still don't know exact date yet, though, Doug
m fascinating. Real news are fake news. Phil Mickelson said

(33:06):
he hated having no fans around during the match last weekend.
That sounds like real news. You are fake news. Yeah,
he actually says that he had something else to say.
I would be open to the idea actually that was
the wrong one. This is what Phil Mickelson had to say.
I thought having no people on the golf course was
a big thing. I thought that it allowed more of

(33:27):
an interaction between players and the viewer at home, had
a much more intimate field. Yeah, so he took the
positives from it. I look, I agree there. I'm surprised Phil,
because Phil usually owns the crowd, right, But I would
guess it does. There does come a point to which
you can't it's not as personal, not as intimate. Look,
I I like the match. I just thought, I mean,
I could be the only one. I just didn't think

(33:48):
Brady and I guess Mike wasn't working early on. I
just didn't think he was. He was that really, he's
very much Tom Brady. There's not a lot of chitter
and talking and just not that interesting a dude to me.
But I do like the idea of having this as
often as possible with other guys. This is this is
what I've noticed as well. And I mentioned the match
the first time. Remember I went to the press conference

(34:10):
in Las Vegas where Phil and Tiger uh announced that
they would be having their match for nine million dollars,
and you know, Thanksgiving weekend teen and you could just
see how Phil carried the press conference because it's Phil
being Phil, but it was also dug in a way
to almost protect Tiger a little bit, like any of

(34:30):
the tough questions, maybe maybe Phil would step in. And
I actually kind of got the sense that the heavier
lifting of the players point was Peyton Mannings wheelhouse, you know,
and not Tom Brady's. It was just the sense that
I got. Yeah, I I I agree with you, and
I think they he does provide. They he allows to
be a sound you need to sound by from a quarterback,

(34:51):
that's he allows. And like Brady probably didn't have time
to work that hard in his golf game, but it's okay, man,
And can you know be there. Whatever I looked, I
I get that it worked, and I think he would
work to some level. Again. I just think, you know,
it's going to be a for the future. It's gonna
be about timing. Why can't they by the way, why
can't they have another one this weekend? Everybody? Do some
people do anything? Why wouln't you just keep doing this,

(35:15):
just keep bringing in different plate people like you're they're
massively overthinking this thing. They did do it. Yeah, I
mean they had the Skins game the week before with
Rory and Dustin and Rookie Fowler and Matthew Wolfe. So
they had they had event. But in Golf's case, to
be honest, they've got an event coming up in mid
June as well. So June eleventh, I believe is the
two weeks from tomorrow. I believe it's when the first

(35:38):
PGA Tour events will resume. Yeah, but they're not playing
this week, like you has wanna play this weekend? Like, yeah,
I don't know, Saturday, go Yeah, let's let's call Steff
up right, Let's get some Let's get some dudes out here.
I can play golf. Well, NBC does have to show
the Stanley Cup Final Eastern Game six of the Eastern Semis,
and really they're fake news. Doug tom Brady is selling

(36:03):
his tricked out escalade for three hundred thousand dollars. That
sounds yeah, so much custom in this escalade v I
P reclining seats, folding tables, a thirty two inch h
D LCD screen, a twelve inch screen in the back.
It's also got a raised roof. It's stretched by twenty

(36:24):
inches it's a model knew at three hundred and fifty
thousand dollars was the price tag then now Toms selling
it for three hundred thousand dollars. I mean, look, it's sweet.
It's completely and totally pimped out. Um. I just don't know, Like,
I don't know how hard work right, You're not gonna

(36:47):
turn a profit. You are much better off giving that
bad boy away. It also kind of looks like a
hearse TMZ had this story. I'm looking at I'm looking
at the picture as well. I don't know, it's not black.
It's pretty cool. I mean it's pretty cool. It's not
as cool. What what I what I'm stunned by is
why is it so much more expensive than say one

(37:07):
of those sprinters, like uh mobile QB that who had
that Philip Rivers had, Like Philip Rivers had a sweet
set up and a mobile QB in one of those
Mercedes Sprinters and it was less than a hundred grand.
It's three grand. You're not getting three grand for that.
Real news are fake news. Doug TV Networks will stand
by their tradition of locking in schedules for the first

(37:28):
two weeks of the college football season by June one,
that real news are fake Na. Yeah, they're gonna hold
off on it obviously with the pandemic, but it's usually
something that you know, game times are setter, they're set
for the networks, but they are going to do that
this time. Fox, ABC, ESPN, NBCCBS all agreeing to not
lock in those schedules right now. Yeah, you gotta gotta

(37:49):
work together in this thing, like let's just kind of
be reasonable. And you know, I think that's the tach
that um um uh that's I think that that's attack
that everybody's taking, Like, hey, we're all in this together.
Let's let's work together on it and get through it. Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Finally,
Doug real news or fake news? John Ramos had his

(38:10):
first ever Instagram live broadcast last night. Sounds like real news,
they're real and they're spectac John. How to go? I
think it lost for like a second. I actually made
a mistake. I hit the wrong button. I meant to
do a group chat with family and with Instagram lives,
but I had one from from a paddle board in
the harbor. Okay, that sounds like fun. It was, except

(38:33):
for like everybody, my family knows I don't have great balance.
I'm gonna follow up one of those things. But the like,
you know, my son's teased me like you're gonna drop
your phone in the water. My my cousin Ron went
on Facebook Live with his phone in his pocket while
running is game time on the Dug Godli Show on

(38:58):
the mental images there that aren't that great? Just not
not not no, not not not feeling that all that much.
Doug Gotlip Show rolls on here on Fox Sports Radio. Man,
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(39:19):
of course is uh the guy who can has those
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(39:41):
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. What Up
Doug Gotlip Show? Fox Sports Radio. Oh Man, there's a
lot to get to. Who we seem to have sports
coming back online. Our guy Daniel Jeremiah will join us
from the NFL Network. He's been doing yeoman's work, y
woman's work. Do you know, Ryan Music, what a yeoman is?

(40:03):
When people say he's been doing yeoman's work, do you
know what a yeoman is? I do not good? Okay,
So a yeoman is, uh, basically a guy who um,
he's a servant in a royal or noble household. He's
the guy who does all the work. Like you ever
seen one of those gigantic houses in jolly old England.

(40:26):
The yeoman does all the work. He's the groom, he's
the squire, right, yeoman's work anyway, doing all the little things.
That's what Dania Jeremiah has been doing at the NFL
Network and for his movie The Sticks podcast. Of course,
he's also an analyst for the Chargers radio broadcast. You know,

(40:47):
we're close. We're close. And I'm not I am a
pest I am an optimist. I'm not a pessimist. And
I also am somebody who like yesterday, I tried to
Clay Travis as a tweet about you know, death by
number of flu deaths as opposed to COVID deaths, and
something I learned, something I learned was that that we

(41:10):
all say, like this, many people die from the flu
every year. This many people died last year. I don't
know if people know this, but but flu deaths aren't
tracked by It doesn't say you're desertificate you died of
the flu. What they do is they use a calculation
based upon UH spikes in death during flu, cold and
flu season. You know, if you died of some sort

(41:32):
of natural causes not related to you know, cancer, etcetera.
You know, air in the hospital. There's no real nobody
on their deaths because it has caused death flu and
they don't calculate that as opposed to COVID deaths, which
are calculated. Now granted they love some others in there.
If you die of pneumonia, you have to die of
something that they think could be the virus. They have

(41:55):
put that on there, but at least they're real numbers.
It doesn't mean that the numbers are inaccurate or more
accurate or whatever. It's just a completely different calculation. So
you can't compare the two. You can't um But as
the number of of deaths drop, right, we're worried about

(42:17):
a number of cases, and that's important in terms of
the spread of it. But some of these cases are
with people who are asymptomatic. Some of this is just
a matter of the fact we have more tests. Some
of it is that it will spread more quickly, and
that while we flatten the curve, we may not have
flattened it enough. There's a lot to get to. I
am an optimist. I believe that sports will and should
be played. Not because I care who's the NBA champion

(42:40):
or the World Series champion. I don't, I really really don't.
I just think that Americans gotta get back to work,
and sports in many ways can lead the way. And
while you want fans to be there, the magic to
TV is you can be like you're there if you're
watching on TV, and if you can provide a safe

(43:01):
environment for those guys, why can't you do it for everybody?
Why can't you do it for other sports? And why
can't you do it for a short period of time
until we all feel safe enough to get twenty sixty
eight people back in the building. A Major League Baseball
is in an interesting spot here all right. Most recently
MLB uh Major League Baseball players. Once again, we're unhappy

(43:22):
with the latest offer from the owners. Players are refusing
to to play for what would be a twenty pay
cut off their original contracts. There was also a provision
that asked star players with the largest contracts to take
the biggest cuts. Here's the deal. The owners didn't get
rich by accident, and they often stay rich by making

(43:45):
they don't stay rich by making bad business deals. A
bad business decision would be paying out massive contracts to
players for a fraction of the season without any fans
in attendance. And players need to realize how much this
condemned season will affect them down the road. Here's Jason Stark,
who again, he's not pro player or pro owner, He's

(44:06):
just pro baseball. He talked with us earlier in the
show about why major League Baseball players need to play
this year. I don't think it's going to be a
great year to be a free agent. No matter what
Mookie has been dreaming, those four million dollar contract dreams.
I might be trying to revise that dream. But that
is one more reason they have to get this done.

(44:27):
Is you've got to try to salvage the future. You
need to put in place protection for next year, protection
for free agents, protection for all the players that don't
have a contract for next year, which is most of them.
Everybody's gonna lose money this year, but there have to

(44:47):
be protections in whatever deal gets done for the group
that doesn't have a contract for next year, including the
big free agents and the little ones. That's Jason Stark
joining us earlier from the Athletic Like, you just have
to get through this year. Just figure out a way
to get through this year. You know. It's it's it's

(45:11):
just goodwill. That's what it is. Hey man, we don't
love it, we don't love playing for less. It's just goodwill,
you know. I mean my my, my boss, Bob Pittman,
he runs high heart right. We were having a record
setting year, killing everything and the numbers actually are up,

(45:33):
are up because more people are listening to our pods
and our radio shows or whatever. But like it just
you can't be furlowing people. And he's not taking any salary,
I don't think any. And he's not I'm sure he's
working more, not less, all of our bosses. So this
this idea that Major League Baseball players are almost morally

(45:54):
offended by the ask well you know, billionaire owners and dude,
they're losing money anyway. A many of them lose money
on a yearly basis even with their teams. And you're like, well,
they make money in the value of the teams. Okay, fine, One,
the value has gone down substantially with this thing too.
You know, good luck finding somebody at the cash on

(46:15):
hand to buy them. And three, why do I have
to lose money on something? Well? Why do I have to?
I don't have to what what? Like, I'm already laying
off a furloughing people who have done nothing wrong. But
you know their services aren't needed because we don't have
We don't need game day services when we don't have
a game in our facility. Sorry, like we gonna do.

(46:36):
You're going to play. It's gonna be a condensed season.
You already agree to a pay cut. It's worse than
we thought. We're gonna have to ask you for a
little more. And it's also a negotiation. Doesn't mean you
have to take that exact amount. But but baseball players
need to understand that, Yeah, the owners are gonna own,
They're gonna probably win in in any negotiation. They also

(46:58):
laid out a couple hundred eion dollars toll on a
team you wonder that you can make yourself. And by
the way, like, this is the amazing part about so
many players who are the most prominent former player owners,
Michael Jordan's and Derek Jeter, and what have they both done.
They've both taken over franchises and run them bare bones.

(47:19):
They're not out there spending free will, free will, you know,
willy nilly. They're not just throwing money at problems. Their businessmen.
They understand how to try and make things work. And
it's not easy, especially when you're dealing with two uh
tough locations. It's not likely they took over the Lakers
or the Knicks, or the even the Clippers or the Bulls.

(47:42):
So I just baseball players need to understand that they
need to work major league, you know, the the top
level superstars. They could be most defended, Like why do
I have to give back the most? And this is
the same argument I have for man. Most people who
are in the highest tax pracket, most of them make like, look,

(48:05):
the system isn't perfect. There is no perfect system. The
system is not perfect. But for example, um, you know,
the richest one per cent should pay the highest percentage
of the taxes because the system that's in place allows
them to obtain that level of wealth, maintain that level

(48:26):
of wealth, and also offers them opportunities with you know,
the best accountants, the best, but the hide some of
that wealth which people middle incomes don't have. The same
as true in Major League Baseball. The system that's in
place allows you to make way more than anybody else
as the haves and the have nots. And oh yeah,
by the way, you're also the one getting the endorsement

(48:47):
deals which no one else gets. You get all the
FaceTime which no one else gets. And while it may
feel like, you know, why do I have to pay
twice as much, three times as much as a guy
who's a low earner, the answer is because, as you
when your salary goes back, you're making thirty times what
most people make in baseball, not just in the world.

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The system that's created that made you a multimillionaire or
people a multibillionaire, is the same system that you're funding
to keep it going. It's funny, nobody likes that system
when it's working for them, only when it's not working
for everybody else. One NFL head coach can't be honest
about his current situation. So I'll have to be bad

(49:31):
news for one team and I'll share with you next.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific
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app Matt Naggie is in a no win situation. Remember
he was hired by Ryan pace Um and he was

(49:52):
hired by a team who had already drafted Mitch Drabinsky,
and they wanted him to make you know, chicken soup
out of chicken. You know what. The first year they
made the playoffs and they were a double jink away
from winning a playoff game at home. I mean, think
about how bad they're kicking game was just in that
season alone, and his coach the year, Coach of the Year.

(50:17):
They made a huge move. They get one of the
elite defensive players in football. The offense was fine and
creative and all of that stuff. Um, but last year
it fell apart. They missed the playoffs. They I don't
know what happened, first of Robinsky lust confidence in himself
or if they lost confidence in Trabinsky, it fell apart.

(50:40):
This was Matt Naggy on the Herd this morning talking
about his current quarterback situation with Strabinsky and Fulls. We've
been really honest with with both of them. Um, The
simple fact that the matter is is that we want
to have the best possible team we can have in
Chicago with the Bears. And and so right now we're
presented with a great, healthy competition between two quarter actually

(51:00):
are going to battle their tails off. Now they understand that,
and and uh, you know, the thing with Mitch is
that he is very competitive. He is nineteen and ten,
like you mentioned, and and he's he's two to one
on most ratio and wins the losses. But he also
knows he can grow in a lot of different ways,
and and so the time is right now for that
to happen. He's excited for it. He can't wait for
the challenge. And then Nick coming into the same situation,

(51:23):
he's had an interesting journey as well. He's been at
the top of the mountain and he's also been at
the very bottom. And so um. But they're both really
good people. And when you're in this situation, when you
have two good human beings that are doing it for
the best of the team, it will work out. Because
we as coaches are very honest and open and and
now it's gonna push both of them, and it's gonna

(51:43):
make our team better. And we're we're we just know
we we feel like we're gonna be better because of that.
I'm guessing I'm getting I'm looking at Ryan music and
I'm thinking he ain't buying the music. You're not buying
that they can be better for having Nick Foles INTERROBISKI, No,
why not. I think outside of two seasons, we know

(52:06):
exactly what Nick Foles is, and even Mitch Dubinski in
the year that they made the playoffs, I don't necessarily
think he was an all world type quarterback. So when
those are your two options going into the year in
a division where you have the Packers, who we both
think are a really good team, the Vikings, who are
a really good team, the Lions probably not so much.

(52:27):
But you're at best third, perhaps contending very hard to
be the second best team in your division. I don't
think it's looking like it's going to be a great
season for the Bears. I tend to agree, although I'm
I'm also willing to give Naggy the benefit of the
doubt in regards to Uh, in regards to how the

(52:49):
quarterback thing plays out, like everybody has in their mind
that he's gonna start falls. I don't think that's what
he's gonna do. I do think that Fools is one
of these unique guys. Um, I don't think I think it.
Folds is one of these unique guys who he is
okay in either position. Like he's really remarkable in his
ability to do both be a starter and be the

(53:11):
world's best, most supportive backup like he does. He just
he has a lot of personal balance. There's not pout
in him. He can be disappointed, he's still competitive, there's
not personal pout in him. I'm gonna give them. I mean, look,
this is it's the kans City system. UM, I don't
think Trabinsky is that good. I tend to agree. I

(53:34):
do think at the end of the day, Um, I
do think it, at the very very end of the
day that Folds is the better player, and Folds is
a guy who UH knows the system really really well.
But I think they'll give Trabinsky the chance to fail,
and Rabinsky will be slightly better and then have a

(53:54):
bad outing or two and Folds I think Folds in
the right system can be a playoff quarterback. I I
think they'll be okay. I think it's gonna depend on
everything else more so than than just how good Trabinsky
and Fools are. But isn't that exactly what the problem is.
I get that no, because I think last year they
were just so limited by Traubinsky. Um, I don't think

(54:16):
they'll be as limited. I think that, you know, especially
if they get Folds in there, they'll give Fools more
chances to throw the ball a little bit because they're
they're comforted with them. They wouldn't have made that move
unless and as I've pointed out before, head coach, quarterback, coach,
offensive coordinator have all worked with Nick Foles when he's
been successful before, so as a work for him, you
can't see go ahead. I think I think the issue

(54:38):
is with both quarterbacks. You've seen exactly when they've been successful,
and it's when they have a great supporting casts around
them that totally lifts them up right, And I thought,
what this team is exactly so when Mr Drabinsky was good,
it was because the Bears defense, We're making unsustainable great
splash plays like Khalil Mack when we saw that revert.

(54:59):
They still had a very good defense last year. But
when you're getting strip sack fumbles returned for touchdowns, you're
amongst the top in the league in forcing turnovers. Things
like that just aren't sustainable, which is what you saw
last year. And it's the same thing with Nick Foles.
It's either the system with Chip Kelly or the great
team that was already in place with the Eagles before

(55:20):
Carson Wentz went down. And when you look at the
Bears offensive roster right now, there is no one on
that team that is a all around game breaker. And
the defense is probably gonna be good, but probably not
to what we saw a couple of years ago. So
why should we somehow believe that whether or not one
of them wins this quarterback competition in the preseason, the

(55:40):
team is suddenly going to be amongst the best in
the NFL. Well, look, I don't love their wide receiver situation,
and I don't think Jimmy Graham is nearly what he
used to be. But Jimmy Graham and Cole Commet those
are better. Those are better tight end options. Good tight
end options um ted gain can still take the top
off of defense. You know, you get Tree Cohen and
David Montgomery back there and they're back field, and Cohen

(56:00):
obviously is a guy who's a Swiss Army knife guy
for them. Um, I don't. I don't hate their offensive
lineup as much as everybody else does. I think it's
a pretty good group. You know, do I think they're
gonna be great? I don't do. I think they can
be better than people think they'll be. You know, you
you open up at Detroit, that's the divisional game. Then
you get in New York at home. Then you go

(56:22):
to Atlanta, you know, India at home, Tampa at home,
to Carolina, Like, none of those teams camp obviously the one,
but you're playing them at home. None of those teams
feel like world beaters, you know, they don't the tough
and if you look at their tough out of division games,
many of them are at home. Houston is at home. Uh,

(56:44):
New Orleans is at home, Tampa is at home. Now
New Orleans is still November one, Tampa still in October.
They'd like to play people in the snow, and they're
not gonna get that opportune until Houston maybe the thirteenth
of December. I actually really like their schedule because the
tougher to games that they play, with the exception maybe
of Tennessee, they play in their own building. I think

(57:04):
they're gonna be okay this year. You know. Does that
mean good enough to keep Trabinsky? Maybe not, But I
think I'm gonna I'm gonna air on the side of
positivity not negativity yet again, let me get you Dan
buy or find out what else is going on? D
what again? Can I ask one question? And then yeah,
just to throw this out there in that division, whose
offense do you like better? Bears or Lions? Uh? I

(57:29):
like the quarterback with the lines better. I like the
offense better with it really, Kenny Golladay, DeAndre Swift, Carrie
and Johnson didn't think DeAndre so I didn't think that
the problem is that they like they put you on
the spot. But no, no, no, no, you're you're right
though with with DeAndre Swift? Can it finally get Detroit
the running game? And we're looking at what where Detroit
was last year? But you got your without your quarterback?

(57:51):
And um, I don't know it's that's that's that's a
very good question. Yeah. The only reason I bring it
up because it's could it could be the worst offense
in the division. So like when we're looking at it
truly of what the Bears are, you look at their
pieces of what they are, say Okay, they got this guy,
and then you look at the division you're like, wow,
everybody else is pretty much better. So it's and there's

(58:11):
different ways to play. But I just didn't think there
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(58:31):
the six podcasts in the NFL network. UM, what are
you hearing in regards to the NFL specifically and when
we'll be back in full swing. Well, I think it's different.
I think it's different by the teams you talk to. UM.
I talked to one team the other day that was,
you know, mentioning something about the fact that okay, uh,
get ready to get people back in the building, but

(58:52):
they want those people if they've been out of town,
out of the area to come back and kind of
self quarantine for two weeks before they were to come
back into the building. So and the other teams you
talked about, you know, they pushed it back what they're
gonna do. But everybody seems to be optimistic, Doug that
that you know, we're gonna get a chance to have

(59:15):
a full training camp and then get a full season.
And I've talked to anybody that thinks otherwise. Uh, Doug
Otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay, so, uh, let's
talk about the Robinsky nick Foles situation. Matt Naggie was
on with Colin Calherd. He was basically the Hey, you know,

(59:35):
two great guys, two great people, they'll push each other.
We'll be better off because of it. What are the
bear what's the Bear season looked like to you? Well,
I mean, I I still think that you start with Drubinsky.
I know some people don't agree with that, but I
think they sho start with Drubisky and kind of give
him a chance to, um, you know, see if he
can get back to the way he was a couple
of years ago and have Nick Foles waiting in the wings.

(59:57):
He's comfortable in that role. He's been in that role before.
I don't think it would be upsetting the Folds. But
I just think if you if you go to Folds
right at the beginning and hand him the job, I
think you lose true whisky at that point in time.
So I still think Trabisky gets one more shot at
this thing. I tend to agree with you as well,
And look, maybe that shot last, Maybe it doesn't. They

(01:00:17):
open up at Detroit, you get a really good sense
and division. Then they get in New York at home
against Atlanta Indian home. These are games which they can
be competitive, and we'll see if Drabinsky has it. We'll
see if I do think Folds is one of the
few guys who can play both of those roles right
mentor backup quarterback and starting quarterback. There are very few
guys that can do that. Yeah, he's very comfortable, and

(01:00:37):
he's very comfortable and who he is, you know, as
a football player, as a human being, and he's been
in that role and had the ultimate success coming out
of that role. So um, you know, I just think
it's if you're trying to salvage both guys, I think
shot here and see if he can do it. Because
you know what people won't say is I know Nick
Folest Mr Robinsky has you know, a bigger skill set,

(01:01:02):
you know, a broader skill set with what he can
do movement wise and athletically. Uh, they can allow you
to do some different things offensively. Now, it didn't happen
last year. I've I thought they could have used him
a little bit more in the quarterback run game. I
thought that would help him out a little bit. Um.
Maybe they'll get a chance to see that this year.
But um, obviously Folds is more accomplished and what he
did in the post. But I think bisky, you can

(01:01:23):
make a case can do some things that Nick Foles
can't do. Doug gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay,
let's let's let's kind of cruise around the league a
little bit. Um. Cowboys continue to be at a bit
of a standoff with DAC. How do you think the
sends What do you think the number is that they
end at. Well, I still think it ends up getting done.
I still come back to that number being, you know,

(01:01:45):
around thirty five million. Um, And and I think the whole,
the whole, the whole way to get to the finish line.
I think it's probably gonna end up being they end
up doing a little bit shorter term deal, um um,
So that that's my guest. I think you end up
at the thirty five number. Maybe that's um, you know,
or your deal instead of term deal. So that would
be uh. I think that's the way they could get

(01:02:06):
to the finish line. Yeah, does that deal make sense
to you if you're the if you're the Cowboys, it
does to me. Yeah, I mean, I just I think
that's kind of what the going rate is. And you're
not you're not walking yourself into a secure deal, but
that's kind of the going rate for you know, for
an upper echelon quarterback. Now, if you're you know how
it is, if your contracts up and you're in the

(01:02:28):
top half of the position, you're going to reset the
market for the next guy. And it ain't gonna last
very long because once, you know, once Mahomes comes in
and once uh, you know, Watching comes in, this will
be uh, this will be well below that. Yeah, it
ship should be well below market value. Do you believe
the stories out of d C the Redskins are saying, man, uh,

(01:02:48):
he was really impressive. In our Dwayne Haskins was really
impressive in our virtual meetings. Does the pr out of
out of DC mean anything to you? I don't really care.
I mean to me at this point in time, just
being engaged is that's kind of the that's expected. You know,
you don't get bonus points round points for that. It's
it's gonna talk back to when they get him on

(01:03:08):
the field. And is he comfortable? Is he confident? Is
he making good decisions? And um, you know we're gonna
see that that version of Dwayne Haskins that we saw
at Ohio State. So um, you know, being engaged UM
is expected. I don't know that it needs to be celebrated.
How does he fit that that that Turner system, right, because, uh,
their offensive coordinator obviously is you know North Turner's son.

(01:03:31):
He comes from Carolina. Uh it is. There's a lot
of play action in it, but it's a little bit
old school. How do you think he fits into that? So?
I think he fits into it? I mean I look,
it's still it's still a pure throwers offense. You know,
good decision making um, and be able to deliver the
ball and be aggressive and can be aggressive vertically. Um,

(01:03:52):
in that system. So I think he fits in their fine.
And I think you know, they've shown Scott Turner has
shown and you know he's relatively young age, but he's
showing that he got adapt to what he has and
I think they'll get comfortable with what Dwayne does well
and try and feature that. But um, you know, he's
not gonna run a lot of quarterbacks zone read or
anything like that. That's not that's not what that's the
core that system is all about. So I think he'll

(01:04:12):
be fine there. He just got to get back to
you know what we saw at Ohio State, being confident,
you know, trust in your eyes and and uh and
delivering the ball accurately. He's got the ability to do it.
I've seen him do it, and he just needs to
get back to it. Alex Smith wants to play football again.
Do you think that ever happens? I hope, you know what,
I I hope if that's you know what he really

(01:04:34):
needs to kind of uh, kind of put closure on
everything to get a chance to go back and line
up and take a couple of nimes. It's an incredible story,
incredible feat. If he's able to get that done, I
just hope you know, from a personal side of things,
that he would not do anything that could put himself
in any kind of jeopardy because that was I mean,
obviously if you saw the the feature, I mean, it

(01:04:55):
was just gruesome, and I would you know, I just
would never want to see him have to deal with
anything close to that ever end. So um, you know,
I I admire him for his pursuit of this, but
I just hope that at the end of the day,
whatever is best for him and safe for him is
what gets done. Why would the NFL not want sky judges.
I don't know. I'm all for it. I get it right,
you know, I think it's I think it's not only

(01:05:17):
is it a chance to get right. I think you
can do it efficiently as well. I don't think i's
to take up much time, and it's uh, I like
the idea personally, I'm I don't know. Is there a
lot of people that will vocally against it because I'm
not all for it. No, I don't. I don't know.
I don't know anybody's against it other than probably I
guess referees would be against it, like the big brother
looking over their shoulder. But isn't the idea to get

(01:05:37):
it right. Yeah, let's get it right. The My whole
thing is two things. Number one, let's get it right.
Number two, let's not waste time. And if you've got
a chance to get things right without wasting time, then
let's do it. Yeah. And then you look at the
like look a lot of things that the XFL didn't work,
but the transparency of it, the the open mic and
then even related to the open mics with the Gulf
this past weekend. I think people love. People like to

(01:06:00):
know what people are saying. Even if they disagree, at
least they understand it's not you know it. It completely
dispels the they don't like this coach, that's why they're
making that call. Yeah, I was kind of curious about that.
I was watching that golf match, which I really enjoyed.
I'm not a big golf guy, but I just thought
it was It was such good TV. It was so
fun to watch. When I was watching that, thinking as

(01:06:21):
smart as the NFL, as the NFL does not miss anything,
So if if they could watch that, figure out a
way they could incorporate something from that event to make
the broadcast and viewing experience even better. The NFL has
proven that we willing to do that, so that would
be an interesting route. You know, I watched little with
the XFL. I saw a little bit of that um
with their communication, allowing that to be open with you know,

(01:06:43):
what was taking place upstairs. But I'm curious to see
what else could come out of that, what other ideas
just about the access that makes it so so fun
for the fans. No question about access is what people
what people want, They wanted for years and they want
even more these days. Daniel Jeremias our guest. He's of course,
has the Move the Sticks podcast. It's incredibly successful because
it's a really good listen. Uh, and he works for

(01:07:04):
the NFL network also covers the Charger games for their
radio network. I don't know if you saw this coming
out of Carolina, but Mike Tilbert, former running back of
the Panthers, was critical not just of the Panthers, bro
their medical staff. Uh. It goes back to his shoulder surgery.
Everyone knows his shoulder was messed up in the middle
of the year two years ago, but they wait until
the off season to have shoulder surgery. Makes no sense.

(01:07:25):
Timing is off as soon as he got hurt in
the preseason against the Patriots. They were saying, Oh, he's
got a high ankle sprain. I looked at it on
film carefully. It's not a high ankle spraining. You could
tell ten minutes after the play you knew it was
a midfoot sprain, Liz frank something something like that. But
you wait until December, you beg him to have surgery.
He shouldn't. He shouldn't have been out there week one,
a week too anyway. Marty Herney, who's the Panthers general manager,

(01:07:48):
said everyone's gonna have their opinions. They're certainly entitled to them.
I have great respect for our medical staff and have
great respect for Cam Newton. That's a non answer answer.
What's the truth. Did the Panthers do Cam Newton wrong?
Or is this imply the Panthers getting thrown to the
bus because uh, nobody wants to sign Cam Newton. Well,
first of all, I have not even read up on this,

(01:08:08):
so you know, I'm kind of learning of this as
you're kind of telling me. So that's that's uh, you know,
I think that's something that's not new in terms of players,
teams and not being satisfied with the medical treatment that
they've got UM in their previous spots. So I don't
think that's earth shattering at something like that would happen
that a player can be frustrated with how things were handled. UM.

(01:08:28):
I still come back to Cam though, in terms of
why isn't he with a team, Well, because there's no
obvious starting quarterback position that's open, and you've got somebody
that hasn't been healthy. So when you combine those things,
it doesn't make sense for him to just take a
backup job. To take a backup job, I think if
you wanted to do that, UM need to have a
lot of opportunities. I just I think from Cam standpoint,

(01:08:49):
it makes more sense to just be patient, sitting wait
the inevitable injury is gonna happen, UM, and then you
can you can go get a chance to be a starter.
If not, then you get a chance to have a
workout at some point in time and you feel really
really good, incent healthy and kind of audition for the
rest of the teams, and and Cam Newton will be
on a roster. You know, if Cam Newton is not
on a roster by the end of the season, then

(01:09:09):
we have a real problem. And we've got something to
talk about. But I just can't envision that being the case,
or something is really screwed up with that shoulder. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. There's there's some something, you know,
there's either something seriously the matter with him or there's
something seriously the matter with the league. You know, because
if he's back to you know, what we've seen, even
though the winds weren't there at times, but the the

(01:09:30):
ability level he's you know, he belongs on a roster
and he belongs to have a chance to start. But um,
right now, I just think it's a combination of not
having him totally healthy and not having any of those
gigs available. That's going to change, hopefully on both fronts.
Daniel Jeremiah check out to Move the Sticks podcast. It's
a great one. Checking out the NFL network and will
soon hear him calling Chargers games for the local broadcast DJs.

(01:09:51):
Thanks so much, Thanks, Buddy Man. He is Joe Burrow
going to be a bust in the NFL. Colin Coward
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(01:10:12):
we like to play for you a previous a portion
of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports
w don't we call it? There's lots of um of
comments that have been made about a lot of the
quarterbacks we've seen in the NFL. Right, Dak Prescott, Tom Brady,
Aaron Rodgers had been a but an off season where

(01:10:34):
we've you know, what are guys gonna do in their
current tour? Sometimes new situations. This was Colin Cowherd earlier
today his thoughts on Joe Burrow with the Sincinnati Bengals.
Kurt Warner said he sees himself in Joe Burrow. So
he's been compared to Brady Montana, Peyton Mann and Kurt
Warner and Boomerisias, and I think said he reminds him

(01:10:56):
of Lebron. He'll have to save Ohio? Can we stop?
L s U S team last year was regarded as
maybe the best college team of all time in terms
of talent. So it is it is they're saying it's
the only team ever that maybe have more NFL players
than those Miami Hurricane teams. Joe Burrow quarterbacked it, and

(01:11:16):
now he's Peyton Manning. It should be noted. I'm going
to give you a list of what people perceive as
the best college teams ever seventy one Nebraska, Nebraska two
thousand one, Miami seven, Miami two thousand four USC. Their
quarterbacks were Jerry Tag, Tommy Fraser, Ken Dorsey, Steve Walsh,

(01:11:39):
and Matt Liner. Now I'm not criticizing any of them
much more talented than me, but quarterbacks tend to get
overdrafted when they play with great players. By the way,
that the the two best Alabama Nick Saban teams two
thousand nine, they were fourteen and o. The quarterback was
Greg McElroy two thousand twelve Alabama team great a J

(01:12:02):
McCarn Okay, So his his argument is that the overall talent, uh,
the l s U football team made Joe Burrow into
who he was, right, made him look better than he
actually was. That is that my good? On that good? Okay,

(01:12:25):
which is a reason my argument it's the he was
Matt really that good? Or do they make Matt Leonard
look that good? Uh? You know, because of all the
dudes that they had, Right, But what if I told
you that there's a lot of star quarterbacks that have
played surrounded by dudes, right, a lot of them. I mean, honestly,

(01:12:48):
did we forget about when? For example, um uh, let's
see here, I know Russell Wilson was at Wisconsin, do
we like, don't look at Russell Wilson's stats when he
was at Wisconsin? Like and and obviously Russell Wilson went

(01:13:09):
lower in the draft than most people would ever draft him.
Now why, well, that's easy. That's because you know, I mean,
now he'd go in the first round or so. But
how good was Russell Wilson when he was when when
he was in college? How good was his supporting cast,
his surrounding team was? Was filthy? Was crazy? And of

(01:13:33):
course they they I think they lost in the Orange Bowl,
didn't I mean lost in the Rose Bowl? Didn't they?
I mean, going, Look, do you know who was on
Russell Wilson's college team? You know who was in his backfield?
Russell Wilson's starting quarterback thirty three touchdowns, four interceptions, best
year in the history of Wisconsin at the position. Monte Ball,
James White and uh, his uh third streeing running back

(01:13:55):
was Melvin Gordon. That's who they had. I mean, come on,
and now I will grant you that that their wide
receiving corps wasn't nearly as vaunted, right with Nicktoon being
their leading wide receiver and Jared Aarberdaris being their second
leading receiver. But the point is that, like, look, when

(01:14:16):
you're surrounded at any of these big schools, you're gonna
be surrounded by dudes. You're gonna be really really good.
Carson Palmer surrounded by dudes, and he became a really
good NFL quarterback. I would guess if you look at
Tom Brady and who he played with in Michigan, if
you played a big school, you're probably gonna have some
dudes around you. And I am my concerns about Burrow
the same concerns. The point I would make would be

(01:14:38):
that they had they were supremely talented the year before.
Even with Burrow at quarterback, he got better, the offense
was better, and and they you know, they took the
college football world by storm. Um, you know, are we
freaking out because he played in the SEC and put
up those numbers. We're freaking out because we're so used

(01:15:01):
to L. S U being so anemic offensively. I don't know.
I can tell you that pretty much every g M
I talked to, and I talk to a bunch of them,
they are like, look, arm strength is like fifth or sixth.
It's important, But it's not like he's chad penning him
and turns his arm strength and having a major problem there.
It comes off his hand, Okay, But he's he's an

(01:15:23):
anticipatory thrower. He's really bright, he's athletic, can make some plays.
Like would I put my contract? I don't know if
I would. I would also say the Bengals have more
talent than you think they have when healthy. Look what
they have a tight end. Look where they have a
wide receiver to stud wide receivers, and look what they
have in running back. So and I know that the

(01:15:46):
level of town in comparison to other NFL teams is
not overwhelming like it is at L s U. But
I don't think he's walking into a place that doesn't
have guys that it makes plays for him if he
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(01:16:07):
Rob Parker joins the show up coming next um. He
has an issue with many of the things Michael Jordan's
said on The Last Dance, Last Dance ten Parts series
plus we'll we'll get his thoughts on baseball and if
base if and when baseball come back, get his thoughts
on basketball. I guess I am surprised you guys see this.

(01:16:28):
The newest thing on basketball is the plan is that
come back and start training camp in July, play in
August into September. Like I don't I'm gonna have to
help me out with that one. I just don't understand
that you delay your delay delay Right now. You're in
this window where there's no sports being played, and that's

(01:16:49):
why all these sports are getting all this attention, like
a golf batch featuring Tiger Phil and you know, Peyton
and Tom Brady. You get into July, baseball is gonna
be going. I think hockey is gonna be going. We'll
be getting ready for football season, and people will I
think be traveling. I don't know, I don't know. Somebody's
gonna have to make heads or tails of why the

(01:17:10):
NBA isn't like, Hey, fellas, let's get back to work now,
let's start hooping in a couple of weeks. It may
not count for games, and we'll figure stuff out in
the fly. All right, Rob Parker joins us, We'll talk
to some baseball. We'll talk to some Jordan's versus Isaiah Thomas.
Next in The Doug Gotlap Show, Fox Sports Radio. Be
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(01:17:33):
Tug Otleave Show, Fox Sports Radio. Beautiful sunny day in
Southern California's uh, We'll get you caught up Baseball shuffle
their feed, Basketball feeling like they want to come back,
but the dates, like man seems a long way off.
And I was I'm gonna credit myself. I told you
that NBA players, it takes a while to get them

(01:17:54):
up and going for nothing. It just doesn't matter how
much they've been working out. Like these guys, it takes
some while. I feel like they're in game shape, but
that the dates are who sure, seems like it's way
off in the future. NFL football, We're ready to go
and college football. It just, I guess depends on who
you ask, right, It's just it really very much depends

(01:18:14):
on who you ask. The Doug Otlip Show here on
on Fox Sports Trade. You can check out Rob Parker's
All Baseball podcast, which is called Inside the Parker. That's
on the Heard podcast network. So too is my podcast.
It's called All Ball Now That All Ball podcast. This
week is with Jack McCallum. Jack is the sports illustrated author,

(01:18:38):
a writer and author of several national best sellers. Who
uh he has? He has the Dream Team tapes. He's
the Dream Team tapes. And what we talked about on
the podcast is one of things I'll talk about with
Rob Parker. Guys, do we have that sound? This was
Jack McCallum. I think the smoking gun sound from the

(01:19:01):
Dream Team podcast is Jack mccowm not just speaking with
Michael Jordan's in two thousand eleven, but Michael Jordan's actually
saying that he wasn't playing the Dream Team unless Isaiah
Thomas wasn't on the team. And then there was an
additional point to it that take take a listen. No
matter what you heard, there was never much of a

(01:19:23):
chance for Isaiah Thomas to make the Dream Team. For
this reason, mainly, Michael Jordan's did not want him. I
wrote that back because a source close to the situation, no,
not Jordan himself, told me that was the case. But
Jordan's reaction to the question did you keep Isaiah off
the team was either angry no, dismissive no Isaiah questions please,

(01:19:48):
or coy hey I didn't pick the team. So when
I went to interview Jordan for the Dream Team book
in two thousand eleven, I wondered how I would nudge
conversation over to Isaiah Thomas. But against all odds, Jordan
went there himself suddenly and without warning, and Nick called
me to ask me the book. Rob calls, I will

(01:20:10):
have to Playah Thomas. He said, you know what if
you didn't hear he said, I don't want to play
if Isaiah Thomas is on the team. Let's welcome to
Rob Parker, who, of course has a new book, Tales
of Rob Parker's Urinating Mouse, a collection of tweets that

(01:20:31):
a real book. That's a real book. Doug is actually
a lot far. It's a fun read on Amazon dot com.
It's fun of course, this comes from Rob Parker tweeting
about it's so quiet you could hear a mouse urinating
wherever something something goes bad. What what's your opinion of
And I know, look, I know you you have an
affinity for Isaiah Thomas. You covered him when you worked

(01:20:53):
for a long time in Detroit, a place you still
call uh kind of your home away from your New
York home where you grew up. I'm wondering what your
thoughts are on the revelation not revelation to most people,
but that Jordans lied in the documentary and was not
honest about keeping Isaiah off the drink team. This, this
is the part I don't understand, is Michael Jordan's is

(01:21:16):
that guy? You know this dog, He's nobody else You
can go and say, well, you know, Larry Bird didn't
like a Magic, didn't like him. There was only one
guy who could keep Isaiah off that team, and that
was Michael Jordan's. So I don't understand why in calling
out Scottie Pippen in the documentary he was selfish when
he got surgery. Hey, Horace Grant was a rat. He

(01:21:41):
gave a sportswriter Sam Smith all the information for the
Jordan Rules Book. He said all this on camera. He
called Isaiah an a hole on camera. So why is
he so coy and was so afraid to just own
up to it, be the boss. It's a punk not
to own up to a Doug and say, you know what,

(01:22:03):
I didn't want Isaiah to play, here's the reasons why.
And the Dream Team had to pick me or him,
and they picked me. I'd have more respect if he
said that, then you know, well, if you want to
put it on me, go ahead, put it on me.
And then the tape to come out. Everybody knows that's
how it went down. Everybody, no, no, but but but

(01:22:26):
the tape that came out said that Chuck Daily didn't
want him on the team either, right, so, but he's
willing to accept, but hold, he's willing to accept some
sort of responsibility. But I also I also think that, uh,
you know, look, if he says here's the way it
really went down. Magic didn't like him urging like him,
Chuck Dailey is on coach, didn't want him on the team, like,
come on, man, I'm not the only dude, And yeah,

(01:22:47):
I didn't. I didn't want him there. Instead, he made
it pretty obvious, and he kind of, as you said,
passively accepted responsibility. The only problem I have here is,
I mean, I know everybody loves to throw Chuck Dale
out there. He's past, he can't answer for himself. But
I'm gonna say this. Jack McCloskey was also the general
manager of the Dream Team, who happened to be the

(01:23:08):
Pistons general manager at the time. He resigned his post
after he realized what was gonna happen to Isaiah because
it was wrong. And Doug, you know this, I know it.
We all work with people we don't like. We'd never
have a meal with, would never invite to their to
your home. But it doesn't mean that you can't work

(01:23:29):
together uh On on something that was earned Isaiah a
top fifty player of all time. Isaiah Hall of Famer
Isaiah uh was on the Olympic team in nineteen eighty
that that boycotted uh because of Russia back then, so
he didn't play in that one. This is a guy
who earned his way on that team. And I'm not

(01:23:52):
buying a team chemistry argument either, because I'm sorry to
beat Angola by forty points. They could have put any
squad together the Isaiah deserved to be on that team,
and just Jordan should fess up to it. That's you're
you're actually kind of contradicting yourself there. No Look, if
you say anybody could have beaten them, I agree anybody.
So it was so but it was about them getting along.

(01:24:14):
It was about you know, and I'm sure and look,
Chuck Daily may not have not wanted Isaiah because he
knew it would upset Jordan and Bird and Magic and
that that could be part of Chuck going like, I
know that's not gonna work, so let's just not go there. Um.
And and by the way, Jack McCallum, when I interviewed
him yesterday for my Eltball podcast, he did not say

(01:24:34):
that's what he did not say. That's why Um. McClusky
resigned that that's not what happened. That he said he
didn't think he belonged on the team either, So I
know that that that's not well. He was on my
show on the Odd Couple and he said that his
knowledge of it was was a little fuzzy and not
as clear as mine. Jack McCloskey resigned in protest over Isaiah. Listen,

(01:24:58):
I I take it as here's I took it. Jordan's
said it right. Winning has a price, he does right.
And for Bird it was his body, his body broke down.
For Jordan's it was you know, he just did not
He was not able to have the normal relationships. He
became this superstar. He became the super driven guy to
win more and more and more and more and more.
One he got the taste of blood and that was

(01:25:20):
the only thing that he could he he could search
for his more more victims of his venom for Isaiah.
The way they won, the way they had to be
successful was being the baddest badasses on the block, right,
And they were, and they intimidated much of the league,
and they for two years they were champions, and they
were the bad boys. But when he has his price,
and for that, for all, for the bridges that he burned,

(01:25:41):
and he burned a lot of them, the price was
the Dream Team. That's the way. Yeah, I just don't
follow that because Tim Duncan didn't have to win that way.
Tim Duncan is a ray Allen miracle three away from
being six and old. Like Michael Jordan, during his career,
he he wore flip flops and was the nicest guy
on the block. Everybody's different, Doug, I don't believe that

(01:26:02):
Michael Jordan's way is the only way to win. Tim
Duncan was able to win in the NBA being totally
different from every other guy who played basketball in that league.
It's different ways for different people. That's what he chose,
and and I don't have an issue. He's the greatest
player I ever saw. I covered Michael Jordan's I was
covering the NBA back during those years. I was in

(01:26:25):
Cleveland for that shot against Craig Eyelow. I was in
Detroit for the the Migraine Uh shot game. I was.
I was around a lot. But I'm still saying. All
I'm saying is from Michael to own up to it.
I don't believe. I'm not saying that there weren't other
people that had issued with Isaiah. But I don't believe

(01:26:45):
Larry Bird would would have not played on the Dream
Team if Isaiah was on it. I don't believe that Uh,
Scottie Pippen would have said, oh, I'm out, or any
other player. This was about Michael Jordan's and just call
it what it is. Yeah, and listen, I'm I'm a
little surprised that he didn't. I'm more than surprised he
didn't step up and just go, yeah, I don't want

(01:27:05):
another team. Nobody liked him. I didn't like him anyone.
Ahmother team. I don't know why. I don't know why
he didn't do it. He did the passive aggressive If
you want to blame me, blame me whatever. It was
never brought up to my you know, his name is
never brought up, and then obviously there's tape of him
having it brought up to him. Rob Parker our guest
in the Doug otlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. The
podcast is called Inside the Parker. Why one baseball players

(01:27:28):
just suck it up and go back to work because
that's not how they're made. And I get it. They've
sacrificed for a long time. They fought the owners through collusion.
Do you remember that when the owners colluded against them. Uh,
there's just been a long history of mistrust. I will
say this, There's been twenty six years of labor piece
and baseball, So I'm not gonna bash either side. I

(01:27:50):
get it. These are uncharted warders. The players don't want
to just sign up and go oh, Yeah, we'll do
whatever it takes and sign up with something that they're
not gonna be happy with and the owners have to do.
I'm not knocking the owners. It's not a regular year.
No fans, no parking, no concessions, no merchandise as stadium.
That's a lot of money that's gonna be lost. They'll

(01:28:12):
figure it out and and they have time to get
there so that we can have baseball come July fourth.
I don't believe either side wants no baseball for eighteen months.
It would damage the game more dug than when we
didn't have a World Series. Yeah. No, listen, I'm the
might do anything I can to get back out in
the field and extends to take a listen with Jason Stark,

(01:28:34):
who you and I have worked with before now we're
for Athletic what he had to say about about what
the players are looking at. I don't think it's gonna
be a great year to be a free agent, no
matter what you know. Lookie has been dreaming. There's four
million dollar contract dreams. I might be trying to revise
that dream. But that is one more reason they have
to get this done. Is you've got to try to

(01:28:58):
salvage the future. You need to put in place protection
for next year, protection for free agents, protection for all
the players that don't have a contract for next year,
which is most of them. Everybody's gonna lose money this year,
but there have to be protections in whatever deal gets
done for the group that doesn't have a contract for

(01:29:20):
next year, including the big free agents and the little ones. Yeah,
I mean, like, look, it's it's interesting they're trying to
protect themselves against uh, you know, against for their next
c B A. On the other hand, by protecting themselves,
you could actually end up hurting yourselves even more, no
doubt about it. That's why it's very very important for

(01:29:42):
baseball and for the players union, because if you damage
the game here, there will be no Mookie Bets four
million dollar contract, uh when he's a free agent with
the Dodgers, you know what I mean. So so you
could kiss all that goodbye. And you've seen the richers
baseballs in eleven billion dollar business, Uh, Doug, you know this. Uh,

(01:30:03):
the the on television, the biggest money maker are live events.
Everybody else can watch all the other stuff whenever they
want ben watch, right, we still the only appointment television
we have is pro is sports on television. That's why
baseball still makes so much money. Rob Parker, I guess

(01:30:24):
on the Gotlip Show on Fox Sports Radio, what do
you think at the NBA not coming back till late
July and playing games in August and September. I'm calling
it the Mickey Mouse Championship in Orlando. I don't know.
I don't know. I guess they got to make sure
that people are right. Doug, you've played basketball on a
high level. Uh, get people back. It's been a two

(01:30:44):
or three month layoff, right or wind up being something
like that. So I guess you can't rush people back.
You have a chance of people getting injured. And Uh,
I agree with them about just going straight to the playoffs.
I I don't think in the last seven or eight
regular season games kind of in that format and bringing

(01:31:05):
all the teams together, teams that are out of it,
why even bother. I think you should just go with
your six team playoff teams and try to play it
as close to the situation that you've always had the
best out of seven, so that you have a legitimate championship.
You don't want to, you know, monkey with it too much, Doug,
so that uh, people look at it sideways and say, well,

(01:31:27):
they won the championship, but that was kind of flaky,
or that wasn't real, or they didn't really go through
the same test that all the other champions went through.
So that's the hard part is making sure that you
don't delegitimize it. Awesome stuff Rob Parker. Check him out
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(01:31:47):
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(01:32:11):
need more positivity. One sports league is trying to come
back and needs to start promoting more positivity. I'll explain next.
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app
search f s R to listen live Doug Alliam Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Look, I'm not gonna sit here and

(01:32:34):
do the super positivity thing, you know, like yeah, hunt it, dolless.
People have died, but look at other people who survived,
like yeah, it doesn't make you feel any better when
people have died, right, like your uncle dies, your mom dies,
your cousin dies, like of COVID. That's not gonna Oh
well other people survive. Oh good, then good. We don't.
We don't. We don't do that anywhere else. We're not
doing that here. Um. I do think though, in regards

(01:32:56):
to sports and leaders of either franchises, teams, players, association owners, commissioners,
the positivity should be like, look, we are going to play.
We want to play, we want to get We just
want to be smart about it. We just not want
to We don't want to be there, Like listen, you
don't want to be the that that pool at the ozarks.

(01:33:18):
Basically what you don't want, you don't want, like, hey, everybody,
we're back. Let's throw everybody in a pool and not
worry about it like you know, it's not really the
thing we're looking for here. Let's just bump shoulders and
rub up and down against each other and and get
down to some flow right in a pool and uh,
a link of the ozarks. Like, Nah, not what we're

(01:33:39):
looking for. There's a reasonable, sensible way to get back
to some form of normal regular life. Same thing with sports.
But look, I I hear too often like this pessimistic view.
This is Michelle Roberts, she's head of the NBA p A,
talking about the potential return of the NBA. When asked
her confidence on it coming back on a scale of

(01:34:00):
one attention, I'll give you a six. Um. It was
probably an eight last week. I've gotten some recent concerns
expressed by players now that babies children have been effective,
so heightened concerns have come into the conversation. So let's
say a six. Yeah, I'll put it in a six. Um.
This was and it's Cantor showing some positivity, some of

(01:34:23):
the positivity we need on first things first. Earlier this morning,
the old basketball players just teaching to go off and
play basketball. I feel like we can't just take anything
right now. The only thing we gotta hear just a
basketball bouncing. But I think I think you know that
it's gonna be fine. I'll take anything right now if
you're asking me, yeah, that's reasonably. Look, you're a basketball player.
Basketball players play basketball. What's the Lebron James the thing,

(01:34:46):
keep the keep the main thing, the main thing, Keep
the main thing, the main thing. The main thing is basketball.
Whatever we can do to get out and play basketball smartly,
whatever we can do, let's let's do it. I mean,
Chell robviously down to a six, like this is a
one to ten, right, you should be at like a
nine ten and like, all right, the little caution, you know,

(01:35:07):
maybe we're closer to eight, nine and whatever. Her job
is not to react to some negative thoughts and feelings
of players and have it take her confidence down. Her
job is to bring everybody else up to an eight
or nine. That's actually your job. So now you're here
in the NBA, say, oh, listen, we're gonna let some

(01:35:28):
some family members inside the bubble. And the question becomes who,
how many you know? And if you know anything about
these bubble things. I've been talking with some people with
TBT to basketball tournament, which is going to go on
sort of as planned twenty four teams this year instead
of sixty four one location ten straight days. But once
you're in the bubble, you can't you leave, and you

(01:35:49):
leave the bubble, you are out. So I there's a
lot of things that people don't know and don't unders
and are trying to figure out and wrap their heads around.
But when when one of your leaders says like a
six out of tent, when everything else that where you're
reading is they're going forward, you know. I I get

(01:36:12):
you want to be cautious. I get you want to
be smart. I get you don't want to get talked
into a deal that ends up being a bad deal,
and and ways over the head. It's it's like when
you're just starting a band, you don't just sign your
rights life away to some big record company. You're not
gonna get anything in return just because you so desperately
want to be reapped by that record company. I get it,

(01:36:34):
But there's there's a reasonable way to handle PR. And
if your PR is pessimistic instead of optimistic, you're handling
this the wrong way. Be sure to catch the live
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Sports Radio. From this from Peter King. The reason the

(01:36:58):
sky Judge got knocked down. Okay, and if you're just
joining us, you might have heard this from Dan Buyer.
The sky Judge, which we saw in the XFL never
even really went to a vote. Problems are one unintended consequence.
What if a coach there was a challenge flag and
the official in the booth is telling the ref on
field to change the call. Two, there aren't seventeen qualified

(01:37:21):
people I call bs on that. Three, the time praying
to make a call is so condensed. Sky jug Judge
may not see the replay in time. Um and and look.
The best idea for the new season regarding the sky
job const sky Judge concept is to allow the free
flow of info from replay official to ref on the field.

(01:37:43):
Peter King says he's been told by some replay officials
that they already do that, even though they're not supposed to.
The idea is this the sky jug Judge actually exists anyway,
It's just there's no official sky Judge. I do think
they were continue we continue to try and perfect something
that's imperfect, which is officiating, which is you know what's
the least reliable form of uh testimony, It's eyewitness testimony, right,

(01:38:13):
remember that from my uh my cousin Vinnie. You remember
my cousin Vinnie there Ramos. Ramos was like, yeah, cousin,
I'm big fan of Marsa Tomay. Right, everybody's everybody knows
about Marissa Tomy, like Mirsa Tomay and my biological clock
is ticking and the two utes. But one of the
big parts of of it is that they were misidentified

(01:38:35):
because well, because we're using eyewitness testimony, which isn't nearly
as reliable as circumstantial evidence. You know, scientific evidence is
the most reliable, not perfect, but much more reliable than
eyewitness testimony. And so we're trying to make eyewitness testimony

(01:38:55):
or eyewitness eyewitnesses the most accurate, and they're not on
nor would they ever be. It's an impossible ask, impossible task.
So I look at this thing, and I'm I think
I understand why there's no sky judge. I don't think
the sky judge needs intercede, and I do think you

(01:39:16):
can empower the replay official to act as though they're
the sky judge anyway without having the official title. You know,
the problem with the unintended consequences is you haven't we
have We don't have enough. We don't have enough data
to know if that's what would happen. And I think

(01:39:36):
because the XFL was so shortened, we didn't really have
a good sense of it. Am I the Yeah, go ahead, Ryan,
I know when you're talking about the unintended consequences Peter
King saying, what if a coach throws a challenge flag
as an official in the booth, that's telling Reugh on
field to change call. My understanding isn't neces necessarily that

(01:40:00):
the sky judge is going to be like the arbiter
on trying to correct calls in real time, right, Like,
isn't it just supposed to be another aspect that is
assisting in trying to get the replay correct? Yeah, but like, look,
when there's just too many when there's just too many voices,

(01:40:22):
you know what I mean. I just I feel like
there's like, Okay, you already have the replay officially, you
have the sky judge, and you have the head referee
in the field, and you have all these like just
it has a chance to be too many. Yes, I
agree the it should be all pulling together for the
same thing, right. So I guess my thing is, why
does there have to be one designated person for the
Sky Judge. I thought part of what they were trying
to do with replay review was streamline it anyway. You know,

(01:40:45):
if you go back to some of the reports about
when Dean Blandino joined us at Fox, part of what
had upset the NFL was the fact that he created
this whole replay review system type of thing, and then
they got into a contract is you and then that's
why he ended up leaving for TV. And so if
that's what the goal was to streamline this whole situation,

(01:41:06):
why would the Sky Judge then suddenly be this one
off as if it needs to be its own separate situation.
I guess that's what I'm not understanding. It feels like
either we don't understand exactly what's going on with Sky Judge,
or they seem to be making this far more complex
than it needs to be. M hm. Yes, yes, but

(01:41:28):
that's because they weren't given a blank slate, right. It's
not like like, look, if you really want to revamp officiating,
you absolutely could. But this is kind of that you have.
Now you have full time officials along with the part
time officials that have years and years of service in
the league. Are you gonna cut down the number of
guys You're gonna add the number of guys. You have

(01:41:49):
too many officials on the field. You know, you have
the sky Judge. The like you get, you get to
a point where it's if you could create a perfect
system and go back and start, oh for, you might
be able to streamline. Instead they're trying to streamline it
on the fly meanwhile add pieces to it. Yes, I agree,
it's very confusing. It's very confusing. Um. I think the

(01:42:10):
problem with the sky Judge is they are so removed
from the field that they can't there's always gonna be
a time last between ball is snapped. Play has made okay,
Now I gotta get the replay, watch every replay by
the time you get to the next one, are you
disrupting the flow of the game, you know, hold on
for a second, we gotta review this. Do you let

(01:42:31):
things go? I just I don't think anybody actually wants
a perfectly officiated game. I don't think you do. I
really believe that I think we all think we do,
but we don't really, because a perfectly officiated game, there
are a lot more stoppages. They just are every catch
you're gonna wait, wait, wait did he catching? You know?

(01:42:54):
And if and and suddenly here's the other part that's interesting.
We only use it really for matches and fumbles and
you know, past interference, but there's all kinds of other
penalties and things that you will see when you watch it,
when you review it. You lined up off sides. That
guy actually moved easy on the staff, Like, why is
one penalty and one thing? You know? In no, we

(01:43:16):
go by yardage based upon how egregious the error is.
So um, I'm with you. I don't think it was
a blank slate. I do think you could be confusing.
You know, what do they what do they say? Too
many too many Indians? Not too many too many chiefs,

(01:43:37):
not of Indians. That's kind of what we're sort of
running into here. Yeah, I mean, I I get, I
get what you're saying. It almost feels like this may
be somewhat of a direct reaction to the past interference.
So they talked about I think even Troy Vincent had
said earlier this week to Peter King that the past
interference rule turned out to plee like a complete disaster.

(01:43:59):
Some been along those lines, and so this feels like
they tried to expand past interference and the interpretation of
it and the implementation of replay review and that whole thing,
and it went so poorly that categorically the idea of
expanding video review by adding in a sky judge was

(01:44:21):
just immediately met with we don't want to even go
down that path anymore because of how bad it was
with past interference. They're just like putting a full stop
on expanding any type of replay review because of how
bad past interference went last year. Yeah, yeah, no, I
mean they're they're just trying not to overreact and trying
to be smart about it, and maybe they're being too

(01:44:42):
underreactive now, really really interesting. I do tend to agree
with you though, in the sense that, like, I know,
when a when a bad call is made, and when
it happens against the team you're rooting for, you're obviously
going to be piste. But it feels as the you
are going people are as a whole getting more frustrated

(01:45:04):
with how disjointed games are based off of the flow
that they are with the one or two really bad calls. Correct, correct, listen.
I I we haven't talked a ton on this show
about the death of my head coach Eddie Sutton at
eighty four on Saturday Night. But one of the things
he would always say would be like, and during the

(01:45:25):
course of a college season, you're going to get calls
that go for you and go against you, right, Like, look,
there are some egregious calls that guys miss guys butcher
and they feel way worse and way more important. But
generally it does have a it has a tendency to
work out. Nobody's out to get your team, and when
you're having a bad year, it feels like everybody's against you,
and they're usually not. But um, I don't know. I

(01:45:47):
thought those are wise words, like not freak out because
it will it will come back around to you. And
you know, I would much rather have a smoother game
than have a perfectly perfectly called game that is disjointed
and kind of choppy. I know what you think. Give
me your thoughts at Gottlieb Show. Coming up next to

(01:46:08):
the NBA has new plans regarding their return to play
in two thousand, twenty. I will share them with you next.
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Fox Sports Radio. Be having a great day. We like

(01:46:30):
to do this every day and and oftentimes I don't
feel like we give Dan Buyer enough space. Not the
case today, We're on time, on target. Let's get to
the press, the press, Dan, Bye, what do you have
my friend doun? Let's start out with some news from
the NBA. The Athletics says the league working on a
plan to have games resume in late July or early August. Now,

(01:46:51):
this multiface process that I teased a little bit earlier
would allow teams to have in market training camps in July.
They would then move to Orlando scrimmages and other workouts,
and then games would follow in Orlando. ESPN says they're
trying to figure out a way to get family members
to accompany players to Orlando. Obviously there would be a
limited amount, but it's all a part of the plan

(01:47:13):
that the NBA tries to resume play this summer. Why
why why it takes so long? Yeah, I'm not sure either.
You know, I did a show this past weekend here
on Fox Sports Radio, and I listed what I thought
were the three most important things that the NBA needed
to do to resume health. Number one or the factors

(01:47:34):
that they had looked into. And number two I said,
full playoffs. And the number three was get this thing
over with by labor day, um for reasons of the
NFL and football and what you would have to go
up against. But it doesn't seem like the n b
A is Maybe they are taking their time for health,
which is the number one sort of thing, but it
just seems that it's, uh, yeah, we're still We're still

(01:47:57):
two months would be two months away right now for
any NBA games. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah,
Like a month is a month makes sense, A month
makes sense. Two months does not make sense to me, Like,
especially when guys have started working out again, a month
makes sense to get him back up and get them

(01:48:17):
doing exhibition games, you know, do that for a couple
of weeks, have some games. If two months, we start
playing real games like playoffs right away, like, but it
just feels way too long to be getting him back
full of workouts in July and the July. I also
found it interesting because I think we use talk radio
and we use Twitter at ways to gauge interest and

(01:48:40):
what people are really talking about or what they what
they care about. And the format DOUG, which I think
is what maybe we thought was going to be so interesting,
maybe isn't that interesting at all. The people they just
want kind of what you're saying is they just want basketball,
and they want it now. However you're gonna do it,
just do it. But I don't think people are up
in our is over any of the different formats that

(01:49:02):
have been proposed. It just seems that the teams have
more of an issue with that. Correct. Correct, But now look,
teams have some wisdom to it. But yes, I look,
I I think that I honestly think the formats can
be figured out as you go. You don't have to
decide on format completely. You have de sign on which
teams are gonna go and that general stuff. But like, look,
if if you're getting the you can go back to
work type deal that you're getting across the country, get

(01:49:24):
them back, get them working out, and and learn to
deal with somebody you know contracting COVID otherwise. You know, again,
this is like the college football thing. We run the
risk of getting to July. One guy gets sick and
if you said you're gonna keep it going, well you
really You touched on this just a little while ago.
But the basketball tournament that announce will feature twenty four

(01:49:44):
teams playing a tournament over ten days in one quarantine location.
M Uh yeah, I mean I've been told, I know
of some of the potential locations. They have safety protocols
in place, they have the bubble in place. The question
is which twenty four teams. And they've changed the date
to the middle of July because the NBA thing isn't

(01:50:05):
gonna be underway at that point time. They thought it
was gonna have to be NBA and may so gonna
be really interesting to see how they pull this thing up.
Some college hoops transfer news. MC McClung. We knew he
was leaving Georgetown. He'll play at Texas Tech. Well, U
c l a s. Johnny Jasang is allowed to play
immediately for the Bruins following his transfer from Kentucky. Yeah,
that's because he's coming back home. I guess the pandemic

(01:50:25):
allows him to, but he was leaving regardless. I don't
I don't understand the waiver thing. I really don't. But
good player, and um he's the guy. It's funny McClung
could play right away. Jazang needs the city here, but
the opposite is gonna happen. The Rams will host the
first ever event at Sofi Stadium on Friday August. They'll
be hosting the New Orleans Saints in their preseason opener.

(01:50:47):
Then the Rams will face the Chargers at Sofi Stadium.
It'll be a Chargers home game and they'll have another
home game. Is that so three of the four preseason
games for the Rams will take place at new Sofi Stadium? Maybe? Yes,
I was gonna say if those games. Definitely. I also
also said on the show on Sun and I think
even when Jonas and I filled in for you on Monday,

(01:51:09):
I don't think the preseason games, of of everything that
the NFL needs to get in, like, the preseason games
to me are the last thing that is important. Well,
they do need it, from this uh, From this perspective,
especially with the new stadiums that they need to work
out the Kingston they got that oculus. You heard senior oculus.
That's the that's the big screen that they have, which

(01:51:29):
is it's like a double sided version of what they
have in Atlanta. So Atlanta has that big uh you know,
three sixties circular video board right top right. Um Sofi Stadium,
which again another dome stadiums important. Remember even though it's
in l A, it's a dome stadium. It is not.

(01:51:50):
I do not believe it's a retractable dome. Um it's
all glass. And they're gonna have a two sided version
of that exact same thing. So they need to have
you need to have some dry run, some practice. But
it's four k panels a mad thing. Is ridiculous, ridiculous
that they have in Sophi Stadium. And this is why
I basically here like you want to, like I do

(01:52:12):
I think it's worth five or six billion dollars? Of
course not. But if there's ever been a stadium worth
five or six billion dollars. Basically, they went around all
the new stadiums, are like I like that, Let's do that,
like that, Let's do that like that, Let's do that.
That's what they've done, Adam Schefter told the ESPN Cleveland,
that the Browns offered free agent defensive engine Devi and
Clowney the most money of any team and free agency,
and Chefter said, if you wanted to go to Cleveland,

(01:52:34):
he'd already be there. I don't know, but he just
said basically that he's not going to the Browns because
the Browns have offered the most and he's still not
a Cleveland Brown. Yeah, he's doing what's called chase in
the market. You know, he said his number too high
and now he's he's taking it really personally that that
teams aren't coming anywhere near his number when they know

(01:52:54):
he doesn't have leverage for it, and he's he's kind
of screwed. I don't understand you don't take a short
term deal with the Browns and see, I mean, like
beggars can't be choosers. You want a big check, but
you don't want playing Cleveland. I don't understand that. Plus
they have a lot of talent. It look like he's
gonna get a double teamed every time. ESPN dot Com
says that Packers running back Aaron Jones has spoken with

(01:53:15):
the team about a contract extension. Uh yeah, I mean, like, look,
I think That's one of the reasons they drafted uh
A J. Dillon out of at of Boston College. They
want to keep Aaron Jones, but they also want to
protect themselves in case he he wants too much money.
Despite having zero guaranteed money on the remaining two years
of his deal, Texans star J. J. Watts says it
would quote be the wrong move and quote to ask

(01:53:38):
for an extension or more money right now. I think
that's I mean, look, J. J. Watt says and does
the right thing generally all the time. That's saying and
doing the right thing. Major League Baseball and his players
remain far apart on money for twenty but John Hayman
of the MLB Network says that there seems to be
an agreement on adding a universal designated hitter. This has

(01:53:59):
been talked about throughout the weekend that yeah, universal d
h could be here to stay. Do you like that? No,
not at all anything you know who likes it? Hitters
hitters like it, and and union members like because another
job while the Oakland and another high paying job as well.
While the Oakland Ace will stop paying their minor leaguers

(01:54:21):
at the end of the month, Marlins and padres will
continue to pay their players in the miners through at
least August. So interesting, interesting difference there. Yeah, Marlin's remember
they think they had about um uh furloughs or pay
cuts at least they were coming up. But they're gonna
pay their players at least. Nevat athletics the minor leagues

(01:54:43):
is not gonna come back at all this year. I
don't know how they could do it. Yeah, I'm crazy,
I mean yeah, I just I don't see anyway that
it's gonna happen. Novata Athletic Commission formally approved Top Rank
Boxing to resume their events for the first time since
the pandemic shut that. So when will be the first
Top Rank Boxing? Can you know? I don't have one
on the schedule right now, but they're allowed to schedule them.

(01:55:06):
I could look it up in twenty seconds. That's the press.
Back get out there and pressed. That was the press.
We are creeping up on first time under quarantine. Not
a ton new new material to go on music. Have
you just have you have you noticed that? Like it's crazy.
We're on day seventy here in southern California and we
generally haven't ever woken up with nothing to talk about.

(01:55:28):
We got some good stuff today. We have a good
up Brandon Weed and will join us tomorrow. Um, the
Jordan's stuff lasted a lot longer than we thought. Now
we're getting to the point of frustration of why won't
the NBA Major League Baseball? But even when they decided
to come back, like it's so long, there's this gap here,
this gap. I guess we'll watch more golf next weekend.
Surprised And why not just play those matches every day,

(01:55:50):
different guys wired up, playing the same course, talking background music.
I should be promoting this stuff. I really should. All
right back tomorrow. Download the All Ball podcast, The Good
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