May 29, 2020 • 40 mins
Doug doesn’t understand why everyone continues to overreact to the Packers drafting QB Jordan Love in the 1st round when the reason why seems to be obvious. He also criticizes the NBA for their decision to not continue the 2020 season until late July. Plus, QB trainer Jordan Palmer joins the show to tell Doug what we should expect from new Patriots QB Jarrett Stidham.
Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for listening to the best of the Doug Gottlip
Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday
from three to six pm Eastern Time that's twelve to
three Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station
for the Doug Gottlip Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com,
or stream us live every day on the I Heart
Radio app by searching fs R. This is the best
(00:22):
of the Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Sometimes
the answer is really simple, right, Sometimes the answer is
really really really simple. It's like many of you are
at home and suddenly you become homeschool teachers. I know
(00:42):
you have the virtual learning by like man already past
sixth grade bath or in this case, in this case, uh,
in our case, we have two eighth graders and a
fifth grader. One of the eighth graders is in algebra
one and uh, you know you're like algebra way, Like, wait,
that's how I get the answer. Okay, you just plug
(01:04):
in the slope formula and the numbers to slope and
boom it it comes out. Sometimes the answer is really
just that simple. You Now, we look for all this
complex stuff and look, we we do that with sports,
where we think that there's some sort of conspiracy theory.
(01:25):
And now think of all the conspiracy theories that you
can think of. Maybe we just landed on the moon.
You know, they have the conspiracy theory that it was
somewhere in Nevada at a sound stage. Maybe that wasn't
a UFO. Hey, maybe it was just the stealth bomber
(01:47):
that they were testing that they didn't want you to
know that they were testing in. Sometimes officials will just
blow a call. Well, it's because the isn't like this coach,
it doesn't like that. Like, No, it's really really hard
to officiate any sort of game. Sometimes guys just make mistakes.
(02:10):
I've said this before with the Bears drafting Mitchell Drabinsky,
they had all the information, they knew Pat Mahomes had
a chance to be a star. They went and saw
Deshaun Watson work out. You know, you get people like,
what did they make that decision to draft to to
draft Mitchell Drabinsky because of race? No, they've had black
(02:30):
quarterbacks in Chicago before. They don't care, nobody cares. They
just want to win. It's possible, just possible, that the simplest,
easiest answer is in fact the answer It's like one
of the really frustrating things about new Math. Have you
noticed that, Ramos, the new Math you do with your kids,
like the way in which you do in Matt and
New Math. You have all these other kind of outside
(02:51):
of equations that you can you learn and you know
as you do it when you're like, okay, but fifteen
divided by three is in fact five? Why am I doing?
And all this other crap I don't really understand. I
bring up the Jordan's Love story. Jordan's Love was drafted
by the Green Bay Packers at in the first round.
(03:14):
Jordan's loves a talented quarterback who's not refined. He only
started two years at Utah State. He does have athletic
ability and armed talent, and two years ago he had
a very good year. This past year of disappointing year,
but he was the best developmental prospect quarterback on the
board this year. While there was clamoring for Green Bay
(03:37):
fans and clamoring for draft fans for Green Bay to
draft a wide receiver, the fact is that where they
drafted in the first round, the top level wide receivers
were all gone. If not, how come no one else
drafted a wide receiver before or after right once the top,
I think seven wide receivers were gone. Nobody drafted IIDE receiver.
(04:00):
Do you know why, because that's not how their board
laid out. Oh, this is the Green Bay Packers trying
to run off Aaron Rodgers. This is Matt Lafleur trying
to lay down the law that he's the boss and
Aaron Rodgers isn't. Or maybe they just stayed true to
their board. Here's Matt Lafleur on ESPN Wisconsin talking about
(04:21):
Aaron Rodgers and the drafting of Jordan's Love. We talked,
you know, four times a week whenever we get those
opportunities to meet, you know, in those individual meetings, and
I feel really good about where we're at. You know,
we both understand that this is a business, and you know,
when that whole thing went down, it was just one
of those situations where there were a couple of guys
(04:42):
targeted that had just previously been picked and and Jordan
was the next guy on the board. That's it. Like
we had some other guys that were targeted. They were gone.
So you know, maybe it is just as simple as
you as you're like, no, no, no, there's gotta be huh.
(05:05):
I know, we want conspiracy theories to be correct, right.
I understand that we have this incessant need to believe
that there's people out there that are up to no good.
But it is possible that this is not Scooby doo, right.
You know I would have got away with it wasn't
for kids. Now, it's just outright possible that the Green
(05:32):
Bay Packers realized they have a thirty six year old quarterback.
They had the top quarterback still remaining on their board
that was ranked far ahead of anybody else, and all
they had to do is give up a fourth round
pick in order to move up enough to make sure
they got him. And they got him. And this this
desire for a wide receiver. You'd rather us overdraft a
(05:54):
wide receiver then maybe underdraft a potential for ranchise quarterback.
That's just dumb. I mean, look, let's talk about the
Indianapolis Colts. You know, you got a quarterback in Andrew
Luck who you believed and everyone believed was in fact
(06:14):
a superstar in the league. You rebuild an offensive line
so you can protect Andrew Luck because he'd taken a
beating through much of his career. He comes back, you
get to the playoffs after not being able to pick
up a football much of the of the off season
before he comes back, and everyone's going, that's a super
(06:35):
Bowl team. And in Week three of the preseason he decides,
I just can't do rehab anymore. Just done. You know,
they had to scramble and they end up getting Jacoby
Brisset and they're fine. And now they're having to move
all their eggs into the basket of Philip Rivers, who's
well past his prime. And though he has a great
(06:56):
connection with the coaching staff, there's just a limit to
what you can do after Rivers age. The fact is
that everything was built around Andrew Luck, and then Luck
decided I just can't do it anymore. You mean to
tell me having a thirty six year old quarterback, you
can't prepare for the time which Aaron Rodgers walks in
(07:17):
and says, you know, I just had enough. Whether he
wants out of Green Bay or just wants to go elsewhere,
or he wants to retire, whatever it is, I know
he said he wants to play until he's forty. Everybody
in the off season when they haven't taken a beating
and don't have to go to ot as like, yeah,
I'd love to play some more. Rob Gronkowski was once retired.
(07:38):
Now he wants to come back. Why because he had
an elongated off Season's body feels better? Call me week
seven of the season, or call me a week thirteen
of the season when it's freezing cold in Green Bay.
Call me, then call me and and then I will know.
(07:59):
I'll know exactly how you feel. You know. The weird
thing about humans is we are convinced that we know
exactly what we want, and then we change our minds. Right.
Give you an example. There's a there's a um Alexis
(08:20):
called GSO. Now, the first nice car I bought was
in two thousand three. Maybe I bought a I think
a two thousand Lexus from a was like a dealer's
own car or whatever. So I bought Alexis gs FO.
(08:40):
You guys just ever seen those? They're cool cars, four
door sedan, real wheel drive, they haul. At the time,
I was like, man, this is the fastest car. And
I had had a Camaro before, I had trucks before
or whatever. Anyway, I got it. It was cool. I
moved to Connecticut to go to ESPN and I meet
the Lexus dealer there and I'm like, hey, listen, when
(09:01):
the four comes out, could you do me a favor
and give me a call? Because it gets great gas
milage like a hybrid, but it's really more wild wired
for sports, like just feels like my kind of jam.
So um, sure enough. And I and I because I
moved to Connecticut, I switched from the Lexus to a
(09:22):
pickup truck at a truck because of snow. And by
the way, truck's not that good in snow. Who knew?
I didn't know anyway, So sure enough. This is like
two thousand. I just had the girls. This is two
thousand and six. My buddy Tom calls me up and
he says, hey, I got the car you always wanted.
(09:45):
I'm gonna drop it off at the house. Now. Remember
I live like twenty miles from the dealership. The guy
literally came to my house to Lexus, is drops off
the ls the g s t leaves the keys and
drives away and says I'll come back and week right.
So I go outside and I tell my wife this
(10:09):
is my dream car. It's a brand new Alexus. I've
never been able to afford a brand new Lexus for
it still had the covers on the seats. No, there's
only one of these at the dealership. It's unique. It
gets good gas, malach it hauls booty. I just got
a new contract. Let's celebrate. She's like, get it, do it.
I was like, I want to drive it around. So
(10:29):
I live at the time in a town called Burlington, Connecticut,
which is half rural, half suburban, mostly rural. I go
on the back roads. I'm jamming around, like, this is
the greatest thing I've ever driven. I come in. The
tires are still smoking. I parked in the driveway. This
is amazing. I go to open up the trunk to
(10:50):
check out the battery, and I noticed that the trunk
is like half the size at best of the normal
GS trunk right, and then I realized I have twin girls.
I can't get a double stroller into the trunk. And
oh yeah, by the way, it's also rear rear wheel drive.
(11:13):
I had like a dirt road basically into my house.
It's not gonna work. You need all wheel drive. But
I was convinced this is my car. I went to sleep.
I woke up the next day and I called Tom
and I said, I love the car. All right, We'll
bring the paperwork. No, come get the car. Why I
(11:36):
thought I wanted it? I was sure I wanted it.
There were months in which I would click online for
the release date. I wanted the color. You got the color.
I wanted the trim. He got the trim. I wanted
the six CD. Remember the six c D in dash changer.
That was amazing change My mind didn't fit my life
at the time. Aaron Rodgers right now says, I want
(11:58):
to play till I'm forty. Okay, but what if he
gets married, what if he has a kid. He's a
guy who's really was really close to Gleason, all right,
very well aware of what football can do to your body,
and if you're the Green Bay Packers, you have to
protect yourselves against the human element of you know what.
(12:19):
I've just had enough. Good, we got Jordan's love. Let's
get a quick breaking news. Here's Dan Buyer Dan breaking
news from Fox Sports Zug. More and more information coming
out from the Board of Governors meeting today that NBA
Commissioner Adam Silver had with those league owners in The
Athletic reports that Silver informed the league's owners that they
(12:40):
are targeting a return day to Friday, July one to
resume the season. As part of those talks, the NBA
owners discussed four different options, the least popular of the
options having all thirty two teams or thirty teams resumed
play with seventy two games to reach that market a season.
So it looks like it could be some sort of
(13:00):
a playoff resuming start to the season. But again Adam
Silver telling the owners today July thirty one is their
target date to resume action. Why so long? Well, I
don't understand. I mean, the plan that was laid out
a couple of days ago was that training camps would
start in July. I don't. I don't. I don't understand.
(13:22):
I do not understand. I don't. I don't get it.
July one. Dude, it's not even June one. How are
they not starting July one? How is that possible? Be
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on
(13:42):
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Let's
start with Jordan Palmer, of course, a QB expert former
NFL quarterback in his own right joined us on Fox
Sports Radio. Jordan, you guys still having workouts with some
of your guys. Well, I mean, it's just a crazy
time was that I don't even know what of the
things that I'm doing, what are legal and what aren't
(14:03):
you know. I've throwing at fields we're getta asked to
lead by security guy and then getting access to this
field until somebody says you can't anymore. And so yeah,
it's been it's been crazy. I'm out here in southern
California and so um, things are are pretty stringent. So
what we've been doing is I've got a handful of
NFL guys, a couple of the guys there was a
bigger group that was supposed to be out here. I
(14:25):
won't kind of stay back home. Um, but yeah, we
one day a week we're on the sand at the beach.
One day week we're on a kid's soccer field, and
then one day a week, Um, we get access to
a high school field and so um, a handful of
NFL and college receivers come in. T J. Houshman Zada
runs the wide receiver group. I run the quarterback group,
and um, we're just piecing it together. And figured it
out and making it happen, trying to get guys kind
(14:45):
of ready for anything. How much does this hurt the rookies, Well,
you know, it's time will tell, you know, in terms
of what they're actually preparing for, right when we figure
out what this season is really gonna look like. But
nine years ago, I was playing for the Bengals. My
brother had just demanded a trade and we just drafted
Andy Dalton in the second round. So Andy and I
(15:07):
were the only two quarterbacks on the roster. And on
top of that, we had just uh replaced our offens
coordinator with Jake Gruten. We had a new offense as well,
and so I kind of ran some things out here
in southern California in my high school mission Viehill High
School and had all the receivers and quarterbacks and running
backs and tight end everybody out here. And so that
was a crazy year where Andy Dalton basically showed up
(15:29):
to camp learned a new offense along with everybody. And
you know, a lot of people forget that he went
to the Pro Bowl that year and they went to
the playoffs, and he pieced it together and had a
really good year. And so I do think it's doable. Um,
you know, I trained Joe Burrows, spent a lot of
time with Jordan's Love, a lot of these guys who
were gonna be playing right away or asked to contribute
right away. And I think it is doable. I just
think it's um, it's a much bigger challenge, Um, you know,
(15:52):
starting off their career this way. All right, let's let's
let's talk Jordan Love. Um, try and explain who he
is as a football player. Too many people who have
not seen Utah State or Jordan Love player. Well, I
think he's just eerily similar to what we would have
said about Aaron Rodgers at that time. We would have said,
you know, potentially, yeah, I could could be awesome. Um,
(16:13):
he's got a ways to go, you know, it would
be good for him to sit and learn from somebody good.
Talent wise, it's there. It's just a little raw, but
the upsides that it's like all the same things we
would have said about Aaron, I think is what I
would say about Jordan's. Um, there's there's enough talent ability,
there's enough likability, and there's the things that to to
trust in him as a person and as a player.
(16:35):
To think that, yeah, he totally has a ceiling of
being a first round pick and being a franchise guy.
There's also a bunch of things we don't know and
um and I just think that the packers, for whatever
reason they're doing it this year, they just said, you
know what, We've got a nice little system here where
all of those things that I just said about this
kid can come into fruition and we can you know,
(16:57):
we can kind of uh max reality to those things
and developed and pour into those those attributes with a
guy like Aaron, with the people they have, their Nathaniel Hackett,
the office, the coordinator, they kind of have all those
pieces and so we can argue whether they should have
spent a first round pick on him or a different position.
But if they were going to do what they did
in the first round, I think they absolutely got the
right guy. Yeah, I I actually, I mean, you know,
(17:19):
people who want them to draft a wide receiver, but
there wasn't anyone there. You know, if if there was,
if there was wide receivers that were evaluated his first
round guys, how come no one else took a wide
receiver After all the top guys went right like and
like Look, I love Aaron Rodgers. I think he's he
checked more boxes than anybody. But he is thirty six,
and you know, in a couple of years, you're gonna
(17:41):
have to at least have a plan in place if
he starts to age, which is a reasonable thing to
think is gonna happen. Um, I like it as well.
Um how hard the things he has to fix? You
said it was raw? What what are those things? Well?
I think there are the things that a lot of
these guys have to fix coming in. I would the
senting about Patrick coming out of Texas Tech um in
(18:03):
that offseason. I you know, I spent the entire off
season with Deshaun Watson, and so I would said the
same thing about him. You know that when I say
some of these guys are rods, they're only even doing
this for a couple of years. And and think about
it business um A used talking out for the example guys.
So Josh by the time he got to the NFL,
you can say how old he is, and that's fine,
(18:23):
you know, twenty one years old, whatever, But I was,
he's only even playing at that point when he got
to the NFL, he only really had maybe a year
or two of quality football in his life. Small high school.
Juco went to Wyoming, got hurt the first year, kind
of didn't really play this second ye Like, it's just
he's really only had a year or two of good
quality experience. And so with the Jordan's love, I I
(18:46):
haven't watched him enough and don't know enough about him
in high school to know if he's even had a
year of quality footballcact. I would say two years ago,
his junior year or sophomore. I guess it was. It
statistically had a great year. Um, but all of this
stuff is so new. Doing the same footwork over and
over again the same way. For some of these guys
(19:07):
entering the league, that's a new concept, and so it's
not their fault, and it's not even their coaches fault.
It's just kind of how their pathway got them to
the league. But now that they're here, it's about building consistencies.
And so I do think that Jordan's has the ability
to grow into the perfect out of replace Aaron rodgers
Um from a ceiling standpoint, there's a ways to go
(19:29):
to get him there, but there's a ways to go
to get all these guys there. How close an indictment.
How close is I know you worked with Sam Donald,
Jordan Palmer joining us Sam Donald when he returned from
Mono seven and to last year, there are people that
thought Casey's offense doesn't fit him. How close do you
think Donald is from being one of those elite guys? Well,
I just think you know what with so much about
(19:50):
football is you know what, we'll We'll go as far
as our quarterback takes us. And it's in most cases
you can say that right like we'll go where you know,
justin field takes us. Uh, the Jets I think is different.
I think Sam other than spending you know, almost every
day with him, Um, the way he's staring it right now,
(20:10):
how focused he is. This guy hasn't missed twenty minutes
of a workout. This guy is completely locked and really
honestly has been completely locked in now really since coming
back from Mono because her right when the season ended,
he didn't really slow down or stop at all, and
so you know, thinking and breaking down tape and you
know it's just doing all the stuff. And so I
(20:32):
would say was with the Jets, they're going to go
as far as the pieces that they put around him,
He'll take him as far as they can go. It's
what kind of pieces they gonna put around him. And
I think that they've made some really big steps this year,
and I'm excited to see some of these free agents
how they pan out and some of these draft picks
as well. But um, Sam is absolutely one of the
best young players in this league. Doug gotlip show here
(20:52):
on Fox sport Trader. That's the voice of Jordan Palmer.
Check out QB summit dot com and at Jordan Palmer
on i G where you can find the beach. We're
trying to identify the high school that they're that they're
throwing out in a given day. Yeah, maybe Tjosanzada in
the in the background, still rocking the ponytail, right. Um,
Why you've worked with Goff in the past. Why do
(21:15):
you think he struggled this year? Well, I just think
from their identity was they could protect the quarterback and
they could run the football, and they could they could
run the football well enough to be able to get
a beat on what type of coverages and and how
you're going to defend them. A lot of people think
(21:36):
that you run the ball. When you run the ball
well let's say whatever that is untill you get four
yards to carry throughout the game, you're gonna end up
with yards and you're gonna end up with potentially touchdowns
like that. That that those are two potential by products.
But the reality is when you run the ball consistently,
you start to narrow how the defense can defend you.
And when you can narrow and identify how the defense
(21:56):
is going to defend you, then you can counter that
put your offense in advantageous positions. That's an oversimplified version
of calling place right. Well, in the first couple of
years with McVeigh and Goff, they were able to run
the ball to the point where they could dictate what
coverages they were seeing, and then they could also protect
the quarterback and he could go through multiple progressions and
(22:17):
all those white houtse and tight ends are smart and
can get to their spot, and so high completion percentage um,
you know, third down conversions were high. Red zone was great.
So that's where they were at. But as soon as
they struggled to run the ball and they struggled to
protect a little bit. They're not built to just drop
back and spread it all over the field versu any coverage. Now,
maybe they could they maybe that they've made enough corrections
(22:38):
and they all built for that this year. But I
just don't think they were last year. And then they
lost two or three games that could have gone either way,
and all of a sudden boom there whatever, they were
seven and nine or nine and seven, um, And so
I just think that I don't think that there. I
think they took a small step back. It looked worse
than it was. I think they're absolutely a contender again
(22:59):
this year. Right back in you've you've worked with Yard
Stidham in the past. Um, this guy who was an
elite level recurred going to Baylor and then transferred obviously
to Auburn and and started there for two years, kind
of both quirky offenses. As now he's become a guy
who some believe is the is the guy in New England?
Does does he have it? Like, look, replacing Tom Brady
(23:19):
is gonna be hard enough, but does he have it
to be a starting NFL calibrat fall quarterback? Yeah? And
and jeareds the guy I said I met him in
the sixteen and and it was around him a bunch.
You know, this offseason is one of the guys who
would kind of just stayed home last minute when Covid
broke out. Um. But really, if you were to flip
and I said this when he was getting ready for
the draft, if you were to flip his last two
(23:42):
years of at Auburn, if you were to just had
his I think he left after his junior year. So
if you would have had him flip those two years sophomore,
he would have been talked about being in the first
round pick. You know, sophtware year. They you know, he
sat there, He sat out a year, went to Auburn,
started the first year and maybe a good pay and
my team, he had a couple of monster wins where
(24:03):
he was like kind of went off and kind of
won the game for them. Um. And then this last
year they had a couple of injuries, miscommunications. Is last
year at Auburn, and it it kind of ended up going
fourth round. But he was never a fourth round of talent.
He just want those guys that kind of slipped and uh,
you know, I remember during the draft we could see
him going second to fourth and he ended up going
(24:23):
forth and it was like, wow, that's crazy how that
sometimes guys just slipped through. But you're right. I mean
he ran two corky offenses if you're looking at it
to an NFL lens, which means he had the least
amount of stuff to unlearn. And last year he was
sitting in the off season with Brian Hoyer and Tom Brady.
How about this for a staff between those two guys,
twenty seven years in that system, thirty one in the league.
(24:45):
So he's in a room with essentially like right, I'm
not even talking about McDaniels, just the other guys in
the room. And so for him to sit for a
year and be able to go to might T you know,
or whatever the example is, and sit and learn and
soak that in. Um, he was always intelligent enough to
(25:07):
learn it. He's curageous enough to do it, and he's
talented enough to do it at a really high level consistently.
He just didn't have been exposed to it outside of
our time together. He hadn't been exposed to like NFL stuff.
And I would say that just watching him last year
as we prepared for the draft. Wherever two years ago
preparing for the draft to this past year, that like
(25:28):
was the past couple of months working with Burrow and
my draft guys and kind of talking with them. Even
just seeing the growth of him on the board was
like unnursing anybody growth that fast, change that fast. But
it's the Patriot, So why would we expect anything different.
I don't I don't know. I don't understand the They've
evaluated players in the league as well or better than
anybody in the league, with the exception maybe of wide receivers. Right,
(25:51):
they struggled to find a talent there, but they've they've
done a great job of player evaluation. Heck, even when
they had they had the covered Brisett and Jimmy Garoppolos,
they obviously evaluated those two guys really well. They had
Hoyer's a backup, he became a starter elsewhere, Like if
you can evaluate a position now, all of a sudden,
they don't know what they're doing. I'm I'm I'm I
don't understand that. I don't understand that philosophical break that
(26:13):
people seem to have that all of a sudden, New
England's a bunch of idiots. Right, Belichick believes in him.
I'll buy it. It's it's a lot like who are
we talking about that? Oh, we're talking about this? Sean Hill,
Taysom Sean Payton Taysom Hill, thing like, look, do I
know that Taysom Hill can be an every every down
start in the NFL? No? But if Sean Payton thinks
he can, well he's forgotten more about football, especially offense football,
(26:35):
that I'm ever gonna know. I'm gonna slide with Sean
Payton fair. I mean, I don't know, and so I
don't know, maybe more than any team in any sport
to be able to say like we're gonna go ahead
and figure this and questioned if you want, but it's
(26:58):
foolish like they've who has more come out and ability
to do that than them? And also they're just one
of those teams that does not have to sell any
decisions to their fan base anything about Green Bay and
foot and holler about you know, the moves that takes
sort in love. But the reality is, are they going
to give up the season tickets because they're so mad? Course?
(27:19):
And so people make it all right, we lost Jordan
that that sucks because he's really good Jordan Palmer. I
think he agreed with my points, and if he didn't
agree with him, that's okay. We'll just pretend like he
did Jordan Palmer. Check out QB summit dot com or
at Jordan Palmer on Instagram. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three
(27:42):
p m. Easter noon Pacific. Apparently, Bars Barber's restaurants are
allowed if they follow correct protocol to be open now
in Los Angeles, starting today, starting today, like the text
are coming in, like where we go? I don't know.
Let's just go out and do something right. And this
(28:07):
is California, which is a blue state with a very
with a with the governor who has been very outspoken
in his desire to slow roll the reopening of the
state's economy. The Lakers facility is open, the Clippers facility
(28:28):
is open. The players have been back working out. Many
of them were working out to begin with, but some
had took a substantial amount of time off. The NBA
today told the governors or the owners, but they're not
allowed to call owners, right, even though you own the product,
you're actually the governor of the product. But I didn't
(28:49):
vote for that guy that be prepared for July one
excuse me July to be the date that we're back
playing games. And July and July. Um My coundar weirdest
thing says May twenty nine. Now, when we have discussed this,
(29:15):
I did say that the NBA is not it's not
a speed It's not not one of those dinghies where
you can just turn on a dime. Right, it's not
even one of those long speedboats. Like it's a bigger
ship than you would imagine. It's one of the reasons
that colleges are setting their plans in place now, because
you're talking about fifty thousand students, you're talking about faculty,
you're talking about dorms and all this other stuff. You
(29:36):
gotta plan in advance. You can't just hey, let's wait
until July and August to make a decision the n
B A all right, So let's say we're not gonna
have thirty teams. People don't want to do that, probably
don't want twenty two. It probably ends up on twenty
twenty times thirty five. All right, My math here says
(29:59):
seven people. That is that we're talking about. There's thirty
five people per traveling party. That's what's allowed. Right, How
is my math? Okay? There, twenty times thirty five is seven.
We're talking about seven people. That's not fifty thousand, seven
hundred people that that got to get ready to go
(30:21):
in a month just to go to like camp and
then two months where we play, all while knowing for
the past several weeks that this was coming. America is
opening up, like this is not breaking news. Yeah, California was.
Really They said like, we don't know, it may be longer,
(30:44):
where it might be June fift and I and I
told people like, look, I think it's gonna be May fifteenth.
That ends up being about June one, and even before
June one back for business. But that's with a that's
with an economy of millions upon millions of talking seven
hundred people. The facilities are all clean, they're all ready
to go. You can set the protocols in place, Like
(31:04):
what are we doing? I don't I don't get an NBA.
I don't understand it. If you want to tell me,
it's because the TV windows and traditionally the TV window
and lot late July is better than the TV window
in early July. Like that's fine, okay, but where you
end is going to be coinciding with baseball, the kickoff
(31:28):
of college and pro football, and you're gonna get lost
in the white wash. Meanwhile, you just had the Last
Dance documentary. Do record numbers get on the back of that.
People want sports and they don't want to wait. I
can I can tell you two things that I know.
I know people want sports, and I know people do
(31:50):
not like to wait. And I just spend it Adam
Silver early in the show because I was like, all right,
well he's doing a good job of taking in everybody's input.
But now I'm sitting there going like, what in the
hell dude like to to today? JR. Let's go. Fox
Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
(32:11):
Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot
com and within the I Heart Radio app. Search f
s R to listen live. Richard Justice is an MLB
insider for MLB Network. Now, look, I was just crushing
Adam Silver because they announced their coming back where they
have announced they're coming back end of July. UM. We'll
talk about the financial implications of it in a second,
(32:32):
but what what what do you think major League Baseball
if they can get it done this weekend, when do
you think they would target actually being on the field
playing baseball games. Fourth of July. I think Doug and Uh,
I think that's the larger goal Baseball. You know, baseball
has a long, long history of their collective bargaining disagreements
(32:55):
in public, and they're always spitting at each other until
the last minute. When they get a deal done, they
need a deadline. The problem in this case is what
is a deadline. The deadline is less clear than in
prior years. But I think if it's not done next week,
there's gonna be gonna be trouble in River City. But
I'd be I'm firmly convinced, knowing people on both sides.
(33:17):
I think you understand the optics, Hey, the advantages of playing,
you know, having the game almost the audience to yourself,
the states to yourself, and be the more more pressing.
The optics of not playing. Um, we'll get to the
baseball stuff a second, though. I mean, I do you
understand the basketball coming to end of July? Do you?
(33:38):
Why does it take them so much? I know you
want to be in prime physical condition. I get all that,
but two months like that seems ridiculous. Yeah. You know,
my experience, and I've been around the NB a lot,
is the conditioning level of these guys is unbelievable, Doug.
I used to sit off the side of the court
(33:59):
when I covered the Mavericks, the Wizards, the Bulls, the
Rockets especially, and watch guys run on a treadmill, and
they would have the treadmill turned up as high as
it would go. I can still remember Tracy McGrady runner
on there for twenty minutes and you're saying, how are
you doing to my conditionation? Just not there yet. So
I think, as an NBA trainer said to me one time,
(34:19):
you know, get it, these guys are Ferrari's. So maybe
there's some some of that aspect to it. Richard Justice,
our guest in the Doug gotlif Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so now the players throughout, hey, well we'll play more games.
We don't want to give back more money, We'll play
more games. Does that make fiscal sense to the owners? No.
(34:42):
I looked right now, under the planets on the table
of the owners would lose four billion dollars um. You could,
if you want to look at maybe the players math,
it would be two billion and some For some teams
it would make sense. For a lot of teams, the
losses would just add up and so but again, well,
(35:05):
so okay, so so so can I let me can
I lay this out for the listener and you tell
me if I'm if I'm off on this thing? Right
where where what people aren't understanding is that um and
I said this kind of with with basketball as well.
When you just because you have games, right, if you
don't have fans, you don't have parking, Okay, you're still
(35:26):
gonna have to pay for the debt service on your stadium.
You're still gonna have to you still and all the
all the regular bills you have for a team you have,
even if you cut salaries, you're still having all the
other kind of bills. And the only money that you're
able to generate when you have TV only is TV money,
which seems like huge money and and it is, but
(35:49):
it isn't. There are so many other bills that get
paid based upon having people in the stadiums that I
don't think we're taking the right amount of calculus for it. Fair. Yes, fair.
If the players get the pro rade at half their
salary basically for playing eighty two games, uh of what
would be left in terms of revenues would go to
(36:09):
the players. And if the sliding scale. If the players
were to say, of the sliding scale where Clayton Kershaw
takes even a bigger pay cutt Garrett coleb a bigger
pay cut, it would go back to of revenues. Either way,
it's gonna be a financial blood bath and it's going
to spill over the next year. Now here's one to consider.
(36:31):
Some of the agents have floated the idea of just
give the players of the money and we'll defer some
of that salary. But there are other agents who are
saying hold it. That's going to impact spending. One what
Mookie Betts gets in free agency? What what what George
Springer gets in free agency? And there at a time
when you're you're thinking there's already the possibility of a
(36:53):
nuclear winner and spending um that what I guess, what
I'm saying is there's just lots of balls in the
air in terms of how you get this, how you
nail down a deal that everybody is unhappy with, Because
at the end of the day, everybody is going to
be somewhat unhappy. But I think just knowing both sides,
they're going to be very happy to get on the field.
No I I tend to agree with like I think
(37:13):
a deal gets to what do you think a deal
looks like? A deal looks like some we've Okay, the
owners moved a little bit this week. Uh they there
are discussions. Now what how are the players going to counter?
They're going to counter in some way? You know. The
one general manager tell me this, he said, Look, this
(37:36):
is gonna be at the end of the day, It's
going to be about do the players feel safe? Because
money is a is a is a is a concrete
thing we can argue over, we can fight over, but
it's not moving. We know where the money is. Less
certain is will players feel safe going back in? And
we seem to be beyond that At that point, everything
that remains to be decided in that in that arena
(37:58):
appears to be something that can be overcome. Okay, So
do you think it's an eighty two game schedule? Do
you think it's a night two? Yeah? Eight two right now,
because what the CDC is warning is we may have
a second wave and and you don't want to be
in position to have it to cancel the World Series. Now,
the players are going to go and try to convince
(38:18):
the owners. Hey, we let's be in position. If we
have to play a neutral site World Series. Let's spay
a neutral site World Series. If it has to be
in late November December, let's do it. More games the better.
I don't right now. The players don't don't like the
financials of what the owners have proposed, and the owners
don't like the idea that we could be swept off
(38:38):
the map by a second wave. There's there is a
compromise to be made in there. What it is, I
have no idea. Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's it's fascinating.
Do you think they'll play home stadiums where they do?
Because because Texas now apparently you can have sporting events
with limited attendance. Do you think they do the home
stadium thing? Yes, but no fans right now, I mean
(38:59):
whatever the governor of Texas says that that's his opinion.
We're not to the point where the teams and the
people running the team's feel safe, and I don't know
that we I don't know that fans are going to
feel safe getting back in there. You know a lot
of people won't go to a restaurant and go to
a large ballpark. Right We're not there yet. We may
be there in a month. Let's hope we are, but
(39:21):
we're not there yet. I think that's why they want
to do the stadiums. Then. I think they want to
do the stadium thing in case it opens up. Then
they then they can make some money on the gate.
And you are right about that. And especially if you
could sell tickets for the postseason and increase the postseason
that bumps the revenues, that gives you another two billion
(39:42):
to play with one eighth something like that. Um, then
you're certainly looking at, uh, you know, something that looks
more normal, and we need something normal right now. Great stuff.
Richard Justice, of course worked for the MLB Network as
an MLB insider, a long time writer in h in
Houston with the Chronicle. Thanks so much for joining us, Richard, alright,
(40:02):
the one know the Richard Justice joining us
Thanks for listening to the best of the Doug Gottlip
Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday
from three to six pm Eastern Time that's twelve to
three Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station
for the Doug Gottlip Show at Fox Sports Radio dot com,
or stream us live every day on the I Heart
Radio app by searching fs R. This is the best
(00:22):
of the Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Sometimes
the answer is really simple, right, Sometimes the answer is
really really really simple. It's like many of you are
at home and suddenly you become homeschool teachers. I know
(00:42):
you have the virtual learning by like man already past
sixth grade bath or in this case, in this case, uh,
in our case, we have two eighth graders and a
fifth grader. One of the eighth graders is in algebra
one and uh, you know you're like algebra way, Like, wait,
that's how I get the answer. Okay, you just plug
(01:04):
in the slope formula and the numbers to slope and
boom it it comes out. Sometimes the answer is really
just that simple. You Now, we look for all this
complex stuff and look, we we do that with sports,
where we think that there's some sort of conspiracy theory.
(01:25):
And now think of all the conspiracy theories that you
can think of. Maybe we just landed on the moon.
You know, they have the conspiracy theory that it was
somewhere in Nevada at a sound stage. Maybe that wasn't
a UFO. Hey, maybe it was just the stealth bomber
(01:47):
that they were testing that they didn't want you to
know that they were testing in. Sometimes officials will just
blow a call. Well, it's because the isn't like this coach,
it doesn't like that. Like, No, it's really really hard
to officiate any sort of game. Sometimes guys just make mistakes.
(02:10):
I've said this before with the Bears drafting Mitchell Drabinsky,
they had all the information, they knew Pat Mahomes had
a chance to be a star. They went and saw
Deshaun Watson work out. You know, you get people like,
what did they make that decision to draft to to
draft Mitchell Drabinsky because of race? No, they've had black
(02:30):
quarterbacks in Chicago before. They don't care, nobody cares. They
just want to win. It's possible, just possible, that the simplest,
easiest answer is in fact the answer It's like one
of the really frustrating things about new Math. Have you
noticed that, Ramos, the new Math you do with your kids,
like the way in which you do in Matt and
New Math. You have all these other kind of outside
(02:51):
of equations that you can you learn and you know
as you do it when you're like, okay, but fifteen
divided by three is in fact five? Why am I doing?
And all this other crap I don't really understand. I
bring up the Jordan's Love story. Jordan's Love was drafted
by the Green Bay Packers at in the first round.
(03:14):
Jordan's loves a talented quarterback who's not refined. He only
started two years at Utah State. He does have athletic
ability and armed talent, and two years ago he had
a very good year. This past year of disappointing year,
but he was the best developmental prospect quarterback on the
board this year. While there was clamoring for Green Bay
(03:37):
fans and clamoring for draft fans for Green Bay to
draft a wide receiver, the fact is that where they
drafted in the first round, the top level wide receivers
were all gone. If not, how come no one else
drafted a wide receiver before or after right once the top,
I think seven wide receivers were gone. Nobody drafted IIDE receiver.
(04:00):
Do you know why, because that's not how their board
laid out. Oh, this is the Green Bay Packers trying
to run off Aaron Rodgers. This is Matt Lafleur trying
to lay down the law that he's the boss and
Aaron Rodgers isn't. Or maybe they just stayed true to
their board. Here's Matt Lafleur on ESPN Wisconsin talking about
(04:21):
Aaron Rodgers and the drafting of Jordan's Love. We talked,
you know, four times a week whenever we get those
opportunities to meet, you know, in those individual meetings, and
I feel really good about where we're at. You know,
we both understand that this is a business, and you know,
when that whole thing went down, it was just one
of those situations where there were a couple of guys
(04:42):
targeted that had just previously been picked and and Jordan
was the next guy on the board. That's it. Like
we had some other guys that were targeted. They were gone.
So you know, maybe it is just as simple as
you as you're like, no, no, no, there's gotta be huh.
(05:05):
I know, we want conspiracy theories to be correct, right.
I understand that we have this incessant need to believe
that there's people out there that are up to no good.
But it is possible that this is not Scooby doo, right.
You know I would have got away with it wasn't
for kids. Now, it's just outright possible that the Green
(05:32):
Bay Packers realized they have a thirty six year old quarterback.
They had the top quarterback still remaining on their board
that was ranked far ahead of anybody else, and all
they had to do is give up a fourth round
pick in order to move up enough to make sure
they got him. And they got him. And this this
desire for a wide receiver. You'd rather us overdraft a
(05:54):
wide receiver then maybe underdraft a potential for ranchise quarterback.
That's just dumb. I mean, look, let's talk about the
Indianapolis Colts. You know, you got a quarterback in Andrew
Luck who you believed and everyone believed was in fact
(06:14):
a superstar in the league. You rebuild an offensive line
so you can protect Andrew Luck because he'd taken a
beating through much of his career. He comes back, you
get to the playoffs after not being able to pick
up a football much of the of the off season
before he comes back, and everyone's going, that's a super
(06:35):
Bowl team. And in Week three of the preseason he decides,
I just can't do rehab anymore. Just done. You know,
they had to scramble and they end up getting Jacoby
Brisset and they're fine. And now they're having to move
all their eggs into the basket of Philip Rivers, who's
well past his prime. And though he has a great
(06:56):
connection with the coaching staff, there's just a limit to
what you can do after Rivers age. The fact is
that everything was built around Andrew Luck, and then Luck
decided I just can't do it anymore. You mean to
tell me having a thirty six year old quarterback, you
can't prepare for the time which Aaron Rodgers walks in
(07:17):
and says, you know, I just had enough. Whether he
wants out of Green Bay or just wants to go elsewhere,
or he wants to retire, whatever it is, I know
he said he wants to play until he's forty. Everybody
in the off season when they haven't taken a beating
and don't have to go to ot as like, yeah,
I'd love to play some more. Rob Gronkowski was once retired.
(07:38):
Now he wants to come back. Why because he had
an elongated off Season's body feels better? Call me week
seven of the season, or call me a week thirteen
of the season when it's freezing cold in Green Bay.
Call me, then call me and and then I will know.
(07:59):
I'll know exactly how you feel. You know. The weird
thing about humans is we are convinced that we know
exactly what we want, and then we change our minds. Right.
Give you an example. There's a there's a um Alexis
(08:20):
called GSO. Now, the first nice car I bought was
in two thousand three. Maybe I bought a I think
a two thousand Lexus from a was like a dealer's
own car or whatever. So I bought Alexis gs FO.
(08:40):
You guys just ever seen those? They're cool cars, four
door sedan, real wheel drive, they haul. At the time,
I was like, man, this is the fastest car. And
I had had a Camaro before, I had trucks before
or whatever. Anyway, I got it. It was cool. I
moved to Connecticut to go to ESPN and I meet
the Lexus dealer there and I'm like, hey, listen, when
(09:01):
the four comes out, could you do me a favor
and give me a call? Because it gets great gas
milage like a hybrid, but it's really more wild wired
for sports, like just feels like my kind of jam.
So um, sure enough. And I and I because I
moved to Connecticut, I switched from the Lexus to a
(09:22):
pickup truck at a truck because of snow. And by
the way, truck's not that good in snow. Who knew?
I didn't know anyway, So sure enough. This is like
two thousand. I just had the girls. This is two
thousand and six. My buddy Tom calls me up and
he says, hey, I got the car you always wanted.
(09:45):
I'm gonna drop it off at the house. Now. Remember
I live like twenty miles from the dealership. The guy
literally came to my house to Lexus, is drops off
the ls the g s t leaves the keys and
drives away and says I'll come back and week right.
So I go outside and I tell my wife this
(10:09):
is my dream car. It's a brand new Alexus. I've
never been able to afford a brand new Lexus for
it still had the covers on the seats. No, there's
only one of these at the dealership. It's unique. It
gets good gas, malach it hauls booty. I just got
a new contract. Let's celebrate. She's like, get it, do it.
I was like, I want to drive it around. So
(10:29):
I live at the time in a town called Burlington, Connecticut,
which is half rural, half suburban, mostly rural. I go
on the back roads. I'm jamming around, like, this is
the greatest thing I've ever driven. I come in. The
tires are still smoking. I parked in the driveway. This
is amazing. I go to open up the trunk to
(10:50):
check out the battery, and I noticed that the trunk
is like half the size at best of the normal
GS trunk right, and then I realized I have twin girls.
I can't get a double stroller into the trunk. And
oh yeah, by the way, it's also rear rear wheel drive.
(11:13):
I had like a dirt road basically into my house.
It's not gonna work. You need all wheel drive. But
I was convinced this is my car. I went to sleep.
I woke up the next day and I called Tom
and I said, I love the car. All right, We'll
bring the paperwork. No, come get the car. Why I
(11:36):
thought I wanted it? I was sure I wanted it.
There were months in which I would click online for
the release date. I wanted the color. You got the color.
I wanted the trim. He got the trim. I wanted
the six CD. Remember the six c D in dash changer.
That was amazing change My mind didn't fit my life
at the time. Aaron Rodgers right now says, I want
(11:58):
to play till I'm forty. Okay, but what if he
gets married, what if he has a kid. He's a
guy who's really was really close to Gleason, all right,
very well aware of what football can do to your body,
and if you're the Green Bay Packers, you have to
protect yourselves against the human element of you know what.
(12:19):
I've just had enough. Good, we got Jordan's love. Let's
get a quick breaking news. Here's Dan Buyer Dan breaking
news from Fox Sports Zug. More and more information coming
out from the Board of Governors meeting today that NBA
Commissioner Adam Silver had with those league owners in The
Athletic reports that Silver informed the league's owners that they
(12:40):
are targeting a return day to Friday, July one to
resume the season. As part of those talks, the NBA
owners discussed four different options, the least popular of the
options having all thirty two teams or thirty teams resumed
play with seventy two games to reach that market a season.
So it looks like it could be some sort of
(13:00):
a playoff resuming start to the season. But again Adam
Silver telling the owners today July thirty one is their
target date to resume action. Why so long? Well, I
don't understand. I mean, the plan that was laid out
a couple of days ago was that training camps would
start in July. I don't. I don't. I don't understand.
(13:22):
I do not understand. I don't. I don't get it.
July one. Dude, it's not even June one. How are
they not starting July one? How is that possible? Be
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on
(13:42):
Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Let's
start with Jordan Palmer, of course, a QB expert former
NFL quarterback in his own right joined us on Fox
Sports Radio. Jordan, you guys still having workouts with some
of your guys. Well, I mean, it's just a crazy
time was that I don't even know what of the
things that I'm doing, what are legal and what aren't
(14:03):
you know. I've throwing at fields we're getta asked to
lead by security guy and then getting access to this
field until somebody says you can't anymore. And so yeah,
it's been it's been crazy. I'm out here in southern
California and so um, things are are pretty stringent. So
what we've been doing is I've got a handful of
NFL guys, a couple of the guys there was a
bigger group that was supposed to be out here. I
(14:25):
won't kind of stay back home. Um, but yeah, we
one day a week we're on the sand at the beach.
One day week we're on a kid's soccer field, and
then one day a week, Um, we get access to
a high school field and so um, a handful of
NFL and college receivers come in. T J. Houshman Zada
runs the wide receiver group. I run the quarterback group,
and um, we're just piecing it together. And figured it
out and making it happen, trying to get guys kind
(14:45):
of ready for anything. How much does this hurt the rookies, Well,
you know, it's time will tell, you know, in terms
of what they're actually preparing for, right when we figure
out what this season is really gonna look like. But
nine years ago, I was playing for the Bengals. My
brother had just demanded a trade and we just drafted
Andy Dalton in the second round. So Andy and I
(15:07):
were the only two quarterbacks on the roster. And on
top of that, we had just uh replaced our offens
coordinator with Jake Gruten. We had a new offense as well,
and so I kind of ran some things out here
in southern California in my high school mission Viehill High
School and had all the receivers and quarterbacks and running
backs and tight end everybody out here. And so that
was a crazy year where Andy Dalton basically showed up
(15:29):
to camp learned a new offense along with everybody. And
you know, a lot of people forget that he went
to the Pro Bowl that year and they went to
the playoffs, and he pieced it together and had a
really good year. And so I do think it's doable. Um,
you know, I trained Joe Burrows, spent a lot of
time with Jordan's Love, a lot of these guys who
were gonna be playing right away or asked to contribute
right away. And I think it is doable. I just
think it's um, it's a much bigger challenge, Um, you know,
(15:52):
starting off their career this way. All right, let's let's
let's talk Jordan Love. Um, try and explain who he
is as a football player. Too many people who have
not seen Utah State or Jordan Love player. Well, I
think he's just eerily similar to what we would have
said about Aaron Rodgers at that time. We would have said,
you know, potentially, yeah, I could could be awesome. Um,
(16:13):
he's got a ways to go, you know, it would
be good for him to sit and learn from somebody good.
Talent wise, it's there. It's just a little raw, but
the upsides that it's like all the same things we
would have said about Aaron, I think is what I
would say about Jordan's. Um, there's there's enough talent ability,
there's enough likability, and there's the things that to to
trust in him as a person and as a player.
(16:35):
To think that, yeah, he totally has a ceiling of
being a first round pick and being a franchise guy.
There's also a bunch of things we don't know and
um and I just think that the packers, for whatever
reason they're doing it this year, they just said, you
know what, We've got a nice little system here where
all of those things that I just said about this
kid can come into fruition and we can you know,
(16:57):
we can kind of uh max reality to those things
and developed and pour into those those attributes with a
guy like Aaron, with the people they have, their Nathaniel Hackett,
the office, the coordinator, they kind of have all those
pieces and so we can argue whether they should have
spent a first round pick on him or a different position.
But if they were going to do what they did
in the first round, I think they absolutely got the
right guy. Yeah, I I actually, I mean, you know,
(17:19):
people who want them to draft a wide receiver, but
there wasn't anyone there. You know, if if there was,
if there was wide receivers that were evaluated his first
round guys, how come no one else took a wide
receiver After all the top guys went right like and
like Look, I love Aaron Rodgers. I think he's he
checked more boxes than anybody. But he is thirty six,
and you know, in a couple of years, you're gonna
(17:41):
have to at least have a plan in place if
he starts to age, which is a reasonable thing to
think is gonna happen. Um, I like it as well.
Um how hard the things he has to fix? You
said it was raw? What what are those things? Well?
I think there are the things that a lot of
these guys have to fix coming in. I would the
senting about Patrick coming out of Texas Tech um in
(18:03):
that offseason. I you know, I spent the entire off
season with Deshaun Watson, and so I would said the
same thing about him. You know that when I say
some of these guys are rods, they're only even doing
this for a couple of years. And and think about
it business um A used talking out for the example guys.
So Josh by the time he got to the NFL,
you can say how old he is, and that's fine,
(18:23):
you know, twenty one years old, whatever, But I was,
he's only even playing at that point when he got
to the NFL, he only really had maybe a year
or two of quality football in his life. Small high school.
Juco went to Wyoming, got hurt the first year, kind
of didn't really play this second ye Like, it's just
he's really only had a year or two of good
quality experience. And so with the Jordan's love, I I
(18:46):
haven't watched him enough and don't know enough about him
in high school to know if he's even had a
year of quality footballcact. I would say two years ago,
his junior year or sophomore. I guess it was. It
statistically had a great year. Um, but all of this
stuff is so new. Doing the same footwork over and
over again the same way. For some of these guys
(19:07):
entering the league, that's a new concept, and so it's
not their fault, and it's not even their coaches fault.
It's just kind of how their pathway got them to
the league. But now that they're here, it's about building consistencies.
And so I do think that Jordan's has the ability
to grow into the perfect out of replace Aaron rodgers
Um from a ceiling standpoint, there's a ways to go
(19:29):
to get him there, but there's a ways to go
to get all these guys there. How close an indictment.
How close is I know you worked with Sam Donald,
Jordan Palmer joining us Sam Donald when he returned from
Mono seven and to last year, there are people that
thought Casey's offense doesn't fit him. How close do you
think Donald is from being one of those elite guys? Well,
I just think you know what with so much about
(19:50):
football is you know what, we'll We'll go as far
as our quarterback takes us. And it's in most cases
you can say that right like we'll go where you know,
justin field takes us. Uh, the Jets I think is different.
I think Sam other than spending you know, almost every
day with him, Um, the way he's staring it right now,
(20:10):
how focused he is. This guy hasn't missed twenty minutes
of a workout. This guy is completely locked and really
honestly has been completely locked in now really since coming
back from Mono because her right when the season ended,
he didn't really slow down or stop at all, and
so you know, thinking and breaking down tape and you
know it's just doing all the stuff. And so I
(20:32):
would say was with the Jets, they're going to go
as far as the pieces that they put around him,
He'll take him as far as they can go. It's
what kind of pieces they gonna put around him. And
I think that they've made some really big steps this year,
and I'm excited to see some of these free agents
how they pan out and some of these draft picks
as well. But um, Sam is absolutely one of the
best young players in this league. Doug gotlip show here
(20:52):
on Fox sport Trader. That's the voice of Jordan Palmer.
Check out QB summit dot com and at Jordan Palmer
on i G where you can find the beach. We're
trying to identify the high school that they're that they're
throwing out in a given day. Yeah, maybe Tjosanzada in
the in the background, still rocking the ponytail, right. Um,
Why you've worked with Goff in the past. Why do
(21:15):
you think he struggled this year? Well, I just think
from their identity was they could protect the quarterback and
they could run the football, and they could they could
run the football well enough to be able to get
a beat on what type of coverages and and how
you're going to defend them. A lot of people think
(21:36):
that you run the ball. When you run the ball
well let's say whatever that is untill you get four
yards to carry throughout the game, you're gonna end up
with yards and you're gonna end up with potentially touchdowns
like that. That that those are two potential by products.
But the reality is when you run the ball consistently,
you start to narrow how the defense can defend you.
And when you can narrow and identify how the defense
(21:56):
is going to defend you, then you can counter that
put your offense in advantageous positions. That's an oversimplified version
of calling place right. Well, in the first couple of
years with McVeigh and Goff, they were able to run
the ball to the point where they could dictate what
coverages they were seeing, and then they could also protect
the quarterback and he could go through multiple progressions and
(22:17):
all those white houtse and tight ends are smart and
can get to their spot, and so high completion percentage um,
you know, third down conversions were high. Red zone was great.
So that's where they were at. But as soon as
they struggled to run the ball and they struggled to
protect a little bit. They're not built to just drop
back and spread it all over the field versu any coverage. Now,
maybe they could they maybe that they've made enough corrections
(22:38):
and they all built for that this year. But I
just don't think they were last year. And then they
lost two or three games that could have gone either way,
and all of a sudden boom there whatever, they were
seven and nine or nine and seven, um, And so
I just think that I don't think that there. I
think they took a small step back. It looked worse
than it was. I think they're absolutely a contender again
(22:59):
this year. Right back in you've you've worked with Yard
Stidham in the past. Um, this guy who was an
elite level recurred going to Baylor and then transferred obviously
to Auburn and and started there for two years, kind
of both quirky offenses. As now he's become a guy
who some believe is the is the guy in New England?
Does does he have it? Like, look, replacing Tom Brady
(23:19):
is gonna be hard enough, but does he have it
to be a starting NFL calibrat fall quarterback? Yeah? And
and jeareds the guy I said I met him in
the sixteen and and it was around him a bunch.
You know, this offseason is one of the guys who
would kind of just stayed home last minute when Covid
broke out. Um. But really, if you were to flip
and I said this when he was getting ready for
the draft, if you were to flip his last two
(23:42):
years of at Auburn, if you were to just had
his I think he left after his junior year. So
if you would have had him flip those two years sophomore,
he would have been talked about being in the first
round pick. You know, sophtware year. They you know, he
sat there, He sat out a year, went to Auburn,
started the first year and maybe a good pay and
my team, he had a couple of monster wins where
(24:03):
he was like kind of went off and kind of
won the game for them. Um. And then this last
year they had a couple of injuries, miscommunications. Is last
year at Auburn, and it it kind of ended up going
fourth round. But he was never a fourth round of talent.
He just want those guys that kind of slipped and uh,
you know, I remember during the draft we could see
him going second to fourth and he ended up going
(24:23):
forth and it was like, wow, that's crazy how that
sometimes guys just slipped through. But you're right. I mean
he ran two corky offenses if you're looking at it
to an NFL lens, which means he had the least
amount of stuff to unlearn. And last year he was
sitting in the off season with Brian Hoyer and Tom Brady.
How about this for a staff between those two guys,
twenty seven years in that system, thirty one in the league.
(24:45):
So he's in a room with essentially like right, I'm
not even talking about McDaniels, just the other guys in
the room. And so for him to sit for a
year and be able to go to might T you know,
or whatever the example is, and sit and learn and
soak that in. Um, he was always intelligent enough to
(25:07):
learn it. He's curageous enough to do it, and he's
talented enough to do it at a really high level consistently.
He just didn't have been exposed to it outside of
our time together. He hadn't been exposed to like NFL stuff.
And I would say that just watching him last year
as we prepared for the draft. Wherever two years ago
preparing for the draft to this past year, that like
(25:28):
was the past couple of months working with Burrow and
my draft guys and kind of talking with them. Even
just seeing the growth of him on the board was
like unnursing anybody growth that fast, change that fast. But
it's the Patriot, So why would we expect anything different.
I don't I don't know. I don't understand the They've
evaluated players in the league as well or better than
anybody in the league, with the exception maybe of wide receivers. Right,
(25:51):
they struggled to find a talent there, but they've they've
done a great job of player evaluation. Heck, even when
they had they had the covered Brisett and Jimmy Garoppolos,
they obviously evaluated those two guys really well. They had
Hoyer's a backup, he became a starter elsewhere, Like if
you can evaluate a position now, all of a sudden,
they don't know what they're doing. I'm I'm I'm I
don't understand that. I don't understand that philosophical break that
(26:13):
people seem to have that all of a sudden, New
England's a bunch of idiots. Right, Belichick believes in him.
I'll buy it. It's it's a lot like who are
we talking about that? Oh, we're talking about this? Sean Hill,
Taysom Sean Payton Taysom Hill, thing like, look, do I
know that Taysom Hill can be an every every down
start in the NFL? No? But if Sean Payton thinks
he can, well he's forgotten more about football, especially offense football,
(26:35):
that I'm ever gonna know. I'm gonna slide with Sean
Payton fair. I mean, I don't know, and so I
don't know, maybe more than any team in any sport
to be able to say like we're gonna go ahead
and figure this and questioned if you want, but it's
(26:58):
foolish like they've who has more come out and ability
to do that than them? And also they're just one
of those teams that does not have to sell any
decisions to their fan base anything about Green Bay and
foot and holler about you know, the moves that takes
sort in love. But the reality is, are they going
to give up the season tickets because they're so mad? Course?
(27:19):
And so people make it all right, we lost Jordan
that that sucks because he's really good Jordan Palmer. I
think he agreed with my points, and if he didn't
agree with him, that's okay. We'll just pretend like he
did Jordan Palmer. Check out QB summit dot com or
at Jordan Palmer on Instagram. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three
(27:42):
p m. Easter noon Pacific. Apparently, Bars Barber's restaurants are
allowed if they follow correct protocol to be open now
in Los Angeles, starting today, starting today, like the text
are coming in, like where we go? I don't know.
Let's just go out and do something right. And this
(28:07):
is California, which is a blue state with a very
with a with the governor who has been very outspoken
in his desire to slow roll the reopening of the
state's economy. The Lakers facility is open, the Clippers facility
(28:28):
is open. The players have been back working out. Many
of them were working out to begin with, but some
had took a substantial amount of time off. The NBA
today told the governors or the owners, but they're not
allowed to call owners, right, even though you own the product,
you're actually the governor of the product. But I didn't
(28:49):
vote for that guy that be prepared for July one
excuse me July to be the date that we're back
playing games. And July and July. Um My coundar weirdest
thing says May twenty nine. Now, when we have discussed this,
(29:15):
I did say that the NBA is not it's not
a speed It's not not one of those dinghies where
you can just turn on a dime. Right, it's not
even one of those long speedboats. Like it's a bigger
ship than you would imagine. It's one of the reasons
that colleges are setting their plans in place now, because
you're talking about fifty thousand students, you're talking about faculty,
you're talking about dorms and all this other stuff. You
(29:36):
gotta plan in advance. You can't just hey, let's wait
until July and August to make a decision the n
B A all right, So let's say we're not gonna
have thirty teams. People don't want to do that, probably
don't want twenty two. It probably ends up on twenty
twenty times thirty five. All right, My math here says
(29:59):
seven people. That is that we're talking about. There's thirty
five people per traveling party. That's what's allowed. Right, How
is my math? Okay? There, twenty times thirty five is seven.
We're talking about seven people. That's not fifty thousand, seven
hundred people that that got to get ready to go
(30:21):
in a month just to go to like camp and
then two months where we play, all while knowing for
the past several weeks that this was coming. America is
opening up, like this is not breaking news. Yeah, California was.
Really They said like, we don't know, it may be longer,
(30:44):
where it might be June fift and I and I
told people like, look, I think it's gonna be May fifteenth.
That ends up being about June one, and even before
June one back for business. But that's with a that's
with an economy of millions upon millions of talking seven
hundred people. The facilities are all clean, they're all ready
to go. You can set the protocols in place, Like
(31:04):
what are we doing? I don't I don't get an NBA.
I don't understand it. If you want to tell me,
it's because the TV windows and traditionally the TV window
and lot late July is better than the TV window
in early July. Like that's fine, okay, but where you
end is going to be coinciding with baseball, the kickoff
(31:28):
of college and pro football, and you're gonna get lost
in the white wash. Meanwhile, you just had the Last
Dance documentary. Do record numbers get on the back of that.
People want sports and they don't want to wait. I
can I can tell you two things that I know.
I know people want sports, and I know people do
(31:50):
not like to wait. And I just spend it Adam
Silver early in the show because I was like, all right,
well he's doing a good job of taking in everybody's input.
But now I'm sitting there going like, what in the
hell dude like to to today? JR. Let's go. Fox
Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
(32:11):
Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports Radio dot
com and within the I Heart Radio app. Search f
s R to listen live. Richard Justice is an MLB
insider for MLB Network. Now, look, I was just crushing
Adam Silver because they announced their coming back where they
have announced they're coming back end of July. UM. We'll
talk about the financial implications of it in a second,
(32:32):
but what what what do you think major League Baseball
if they can get it done this weekend, when do
you think they would target actually being on the field
playing baseball games. Fourth of July. I think Doug and Uh,
I think that's the larger goal Baseball. You know, baseball
has a long, long history of their collective bargaining disagreements
(32:55):
in public, and they're always spitting at each other until
the last minute. When they get a deal done, they
need a deadline. The problem in this case is what
is a deadline. The deadline is less clear than in
prior years. But I think if it's not done next week,
there's gonna be gonna be trouble in River City. But
I'd be I'm firmly convinced, knowing people on both sides.
(33:17):
I think you understand the optics, Hey, the advantages of playing,
you know, having the game almost the audience to yourself,
the states to yourself, and be the more more pressing.
The optics of not playing. Um, we'll get to the
baseball stuff a second, though. I mean, I do you
understand the basketball coming to end of July? Do you?
(33:38):
Why does it take them so much? I know you
want to be in prime physical condition. I get all that,
but two months like that seems ridiculous. Yeah. You know,
my experience, and I've been around the NB a lot,
is the conditioning level of these guys is unbelievable, Doug.
I used to sit off the side of the court
(33:59):
when I covered the Mavericks, the Wizards, the Bulls, the
Rockets especially, and watch guys run on a treadmill, and
they would have the treadmill turned up as high as
it would go. I can still remember Tracy McGrady runner
on there for twenty minutes and you're saying, how are
you doing to my conditionation? Just not there yet. So
I think, as an NBA trainer said to me one time,
(34:19):
you know, get it, these guys are Ferrari's. So maybe
there's some some of that aspect to it. Richard Justice,
our guest in the Doug gotlif Show on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so now the players throughout, hey, well we'll play more games.
We don't want to give back more money, We'll play
more games. Does that make fiscal sense to the owners? No.
(34:42):
I looked right now, under the planets on the table
of the owners would lose four billion dollars um. You could,
if you want to look at maybe the players math,
it would be two billion and some For some teams
it would make sense. For a lot of teams, the
losses would just add up and so but again, well,
(35:05):
so okay, so so so can I let me can
I lay this out for the listener and you tell
me if I'm if I'm off on this thing? Right
where where what people aren't understanding is that um and
I said this kind of with with basketball as well.
When you just because you have games, right, if you
don't have fans, you don't have parking, Okay, you're still
(35:26):
gonna have to pay for the debt service on your stadium.
You're still gonna have to you still and all the
all the regular bills you have for a team you have,
even if you cut salaries, you're still having all the
other kind of bills. And the only money that you're
able to generate when you have TV only is TV money,
which seems like huge money and and it is, but
(35:49):
it isn't. There are so many other bills that get
paid based upon having people in the stadiums that I
don't think we're taking the right amount of calculus for it. Fair. Yes, fair.
If the players get the pro rade at half their
salary basically for playing eighty two games, uh of what
would be left in terms of revenues would go to
(36:09):
the players. And if the sliding scale. If the players
were to say, of the sliding scale where Clayton Kershaw
takes even a bigger pay cutt Garrett coleb a bigger
pay cut, it would go back to of revenues. Either way,
it's gonna be a financial blood bath and it's going
to spill over the next year. Now here's one to consider.
(36:31):
Some of the agents have floated the idea of just
give the players of the money and we'll defer some
of that salary. But there are other agents who are
saying hold it. That's going to impact spending. One what
Mookie Betts gets in free agency? What what what George
Springer gets in free agency? And there at a time
when you're you're thinking there's already the possibility of a
(36:53):
nuclear winner and spending um that what I guess, what
I'm saying is there's just lots of balls in the
air in terms of how you get this, how you
nail down a deal that everybody is unhappy with, Because
at the end of the day, everybody is going to
be somewhat unhappy. But I think just knowing both sides,
they're going to be very happy to get on the field.
No I I tend to agree with like I think
(37:13):
a deal gets to what do you think a deal
looks like? A deal looks like some we've Okay, the
owners moved a little bit this week. Uh they there
are discussions. Now what how are the players going to counter?
They're going to counter in some way? You know. The
one general manager tell me this, he said, Look, this
(37:36):
is gonna be at the end of the day, It's
going to be about do the players feel safe? Because
money is a is a is a is a concrete
thing we can argue over, we can fight over, but
it's not moving. We know where the money is. Less
certain is will players feel safe going back in? And
we seem to be beyond that At that point, everything
that remains to be decided in that in that arena
(37:58):
appears to be something that can be overcome. Okay, So
do you think it's an eighty two game schedule? Do
you think it's a night two? Yeah? Eight two right now,
because what the CDC is warning is we may have
a second wave and and you don't want to be
in position to have it to cancel the World Series. Now,
the players are going to go and try to convince
(38:18):
the owners. Hey, we let's be in position. If we
have to play a neutral site World Series. Let's spay
a neutral site World Series. If it has to be
in late November December, let's do it. More games the better.
I don't right now. The players don't don't like the
financials of what the owners have proposed, and the owners
don't like the idea that we could be swept off
(38:38):
the map by a second wave. There's there is a
compromise to be made in there. What it is, I
have no idea. Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's it's fascinating.
Do you think they'll play home stadiums where they do?
Because because Texas now apparently you can have sporting events
with limited attendance. Do you think they do the home
stadium thing? Yes, but no fans right now, I mean
(38:59):
whatever the governor of Texas says that that's his opinion.
We're not to the point where the teams and the
people running the team's feel safe, and I don't know
that we I don't know that fans are going to
feel safe getting back in there. You know a lot
of people won't go to a restaurant and go to
a large ballpark. Right We're not there yet. We may
be there in a month. Let's hope we are, but
(39:21):
we're not there yet. I think that's why they want
to do the stadiums. Then. I think they want to
do the stadium thing in case it opens up. Then
they then they can make some money on the gate.
And you are right about that. And especially if you
could sell tickets for the postseason and increase the postseason
that bumps the revenues, that gives you another two billion
(39:42):
to play with one eighth something like that. Um, then
you're certainly looking at, uh, you know, something that looks
more normal, and we need something normal right now. Great stuff.
Richard Justice, of course worked for the MLB Network as
an MLB insider, a long time writer in h in
Houston with the Chronicle. Thanks so much for joining us, Richard, alright,
(40:02):
the one know the Richard Justice joining us
Host
Doug Gottlieb
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.