Drew Brees & the National Anthem protests

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Hey, welcome to Wednesday's podcast,
your boy Doug Gottlieb. Here we're gonna be talking a
lot about what Drew Brees said to Yahoo Financial Boom
Up America. Doug Gotleap Show, Fox Sports Radio, ton to
get to. Let's dig right in. We got an unbelievable

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guest list, as we always do from Salam Will join us.
He's a host for our weekend shows on Fox Sports Radio.
Former NFL offensive lineman and a good one. Ryan Hollins
join us. An NBA veteran and analyst of NBA games,
Daniel Jeremiah join us, and um Evan like Who's gonna
join us? He's writes about the Major League Baseball for

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The Athletic. As we continue to cover what appears to
be the re emergence of sports, I want to get
back to that momentarily. But there is some sound which
everyone is talking about and they will be freaking out about.
It's Drew Brees, who is the all time leaning pastor
in the history of the Nation Football League. He was

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on was this uh. He was on Yahoo Finance and
he was asked about the national anthem protests potentially returning
to the NFL. This is his full answer. I will
never agree with anybody, um, disrespecting the flag of the
United States of America or our country. UM. Let me

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let me just tell you what I see or what
I feel when the national anthem is played, and when
I look at the flag of the United States, I
envisioned my two grandfathers who fought for this country during
World War Two, one in the Army and one of
the Marine Corps, both risking their lives to protect our
country and to try to make our country and this

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world a better place. So every time I stand with
my hand over my heart looking at that flag and
singing the national anthem, that's what I think about, and
in many cases it brings me to tears thinking about
all that has been sacrificed, not just those in the military,
but for that matter, those throughout the civil rights movements

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of the sixties and everyone and all that has been
endured by so many people up until this point, And
is everything right with our country right now? No, it's not.
We still have a long way to go. But I
think what you do by standing there and showing respect
to the flag with your hand over your heart is
it shows unity. It shows that we are all in

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this together, we can all do better, and then we
are all part of the solution. Okay. So here's what's
going to happen and is already opening on social media
right which is his comments are getting parsed, They're getting
snipped up, cut up, played in short sound by form,

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and people will freak out and say, how can you
say this? How can you do this? All? Right? Um?
Like you really? I like you? Go? I I just go.
And I can read on social media just guys with um,

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guys with check marks, guys without check marks. Because the
quote Yahoo Finance put out on Twitter is players kneeling
against when the NFL um that he thinks, um, I
will quite here's the quote. I will never agree with
anybody disrespecting the flag of the United States America or

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our country. Right. That's what's being tweeted out by Yahoo Finance,
which he did say. It's not unfair to take a
portion of the full quote. But you see, f Drew Brees,
I better not hear here say go go breeze go Drew.

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Drew Brees is about to find out week one how
Derek Carr felt two thousand seventeen against the Redskins, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
Here's one I swear. I hope all the black Dean
line yell black lives matter and Drew Brees's ear when
they sack him. Here's the first thing that needs to stop. Okay,

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you cannot tell me that the fight is for equality,
equal rights, and justice and the ability to uh to
demonstrate peacefully, which is part of the First Amendment, the
Constitution United States and the Bill of Rights. Right. You

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can't tell me that it's about free speech when a
guy offers up a thoughtful opinion, backs up with why
he has that opinion, and then suddenly gets slammed for
such an opinion, which by the way, is not a
violation of your civil rights, and doesn't ever say you
can't protest. He told you what he thinks, why he
thinks it and how it makes him feel. This is

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the problem with frankly a party of people which I
would say mostly I'm associated with if I if somebody
had to ask me, i'd say, you know, um, I'm
fairly left leaning, especially in terms of socially right. I

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just I just am. Um, it's not a political show.
But if you want to ask me, I would say,
fiscally a little bit more of the right. Uh, socially
more to the left. I'm generally a centrist, but those
are my leanings. But the Laft will tell you that
they're the inclusive party. But here's the problem. If you

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don't completely agree with everything they say and how they
say it, in the tone and the genuflecting that you're
supposed to make in terms of what you're saying, well
then you're out, which is kind of counter to the
whole idea of the entire thing. Drew Brees took about

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as middalist stance as you can possibly take. He supported
talking about his grandpa, and he also supported saying we're
all in this together, We're not perfect. Change needs to
be made. Here's how I feel about the National anthem.
And he will get skewered and it's as big a
part of the problem. Okay, it's as big a part
of the problem as the people on the other side

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saying we don't have a problem with police and we
don't have law and order. We don't have. It's just
as big a problem. You even listen, Like, people stop listening.
They won't click, they won't read, they won't listen, they
won't hear the entirety of the point, which is about
as inoffensive as anybody could make. Probably our biggest problem.

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We want freedom of speech, except when somebody disagrees with
our perspective. Right, that's what we want. We don't want. Actually,
this is as as it's like my profession, everybody my profsences. Man,
I'd really really like some feedback. Then you get then
you get feedback that you don't like, and you're like,
f that guy. No, you said you want a feedback.

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I do. I want honest feedback, except I want What
people really want is somebody agreeing with what they say, right.
I mean, it's the most embarrassing, hypocritical thing that we
do as American people, but we do it, and the
cycle continues, and here we are, right, Drew Brees in

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no way had anything negative to say of the Black
Lives Matter movement about the marches. He was He didn't,
he didn't take a pro police stance. He didn't out
of the words law and order. He said nothing in
negativity in regards to what's actually happening. He just said,
nationally at the protests is not meant for me. And

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here is why he offered up his perspective, which is,
by the way, the same thing that many black people
want you to understand. Hey, listen, I understand your perspective
on police officers. Here's mine. You know, whether you want
to read stats or not stats. The feeling we get
is that we're not treated equal under law, that that

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we get harassed, that we get pulled over, that we
get to make make to feel like somehow we're criminals
when all we did was, you know, roll a stop sign.
You want me to see from your perspective, I do.
I can understand. I can empathize with that. Why can't
you see it from Drew Brees perspective? Only your perspective matters,

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is it? And that is I would say the biggest
issue with the younger generation of people iPhone YouTube, even
the words in which we use are selfish. Our opinion matters,
our thoughts, our opinion, our feelings matter more than anybody
else's unless you agree with mine, and then you're okay,

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if not not okay. Right, Drew Brees never brought up
the word race. He never actually said the word police.
He never said anything negative about any of the protests,
even the looters, which are disgraceful. Anybody who's protesting knows

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that the looters are disgraceful. They are. They have nothing,
nothing to do, nothing to do with what the protests
are about. And look, if you want us, if if
you want me to see your perspective, I can you
also have to see mine. Right, That's generally the way

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it's supposed to work when functioning correctly, which is what
the complaints are rightfully about, Hey, main functioning correctly. We
have a mass discrepancy between what happens to certain races
of people and how they're made to feel, how they're
made to look, the images that are in our mind,

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the images that are movie sets. Maybe all of these things,
and there's past things that we cannot go back and fix. Right.
I don't have the power to go back and fix slavery.
I had the power to go back and fix um segregation.
I don't. And yet we want to create avenues for

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equal rights and the law and equal opportunities and the law.
But equal means equal. Equal does not shift in the
other direct that ain't that ain't close to equal. So
I listened to Drew Brees and what is fairly innocuous,

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middle of the road perspective that shares with you why
he listens to the national Because I'll just tell you this,
when I hear the national anthem played, I agree Drew
Brees from this perspective. I have lived and played basketball overseas.
I know our country has problems. I personally have been

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offended by some leaders in our country. Some of the
things that we've done not always the things that are
listed or that where people are protesting about. And like anybody,
i watch what happened to George Floyd, and I'm sickened. Second. Um,
I don't know if George Floyd was murdered because he

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was black, or because he was the police officer was
on a power trip, or they had some really I
don't know, but I'm willing to listen, get perspective and
find out why so many repeat the same stories about
how they're made to feel by police officers. Okay, but

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when I see the flag, I think of all the
times I was overseas and how I missed home. I
think of all the times that I came home. And
when you get off a plane at JFK or L
A X and you're walking into customs, you see old glory.
You know she's not perfect. Our country is not perfect.

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We're all willing to evolve and get better and change,
but there's an amount of respect that our country has
earned because the truth is that, having lived in other countries,
I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. And I'm not
one of these works said goes they don't like it,
to leave, No, that's stupid. That's not the way it

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works either. A right. If you don't like it, you
want change, Help help foster some of that change, Help
help us grow, help us evolve, help us show your perspective.
But there are a lot of men, women of color,
not of color, that have died protecting what you have
the right to protest. And so when I see when

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I'm when I'm in an arena and they play the
national anthem, and now as a broadcaster, back as a player.
I too, am almost brought to tears because I think,
how damn lucky am I? How lucky am I? I
think about my life right now, I'm forty four years old.
I've I have three children, house, car payments. I got it.

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I got all these things, and I take care of
my family, put away money for my future. And I've
been able to do so because I played basketball and
have opinions which I believe are pretty educated and thoughtful
on sports. That's what I actually do, That's what actually do.

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I haven't had to have military service. I haven't knock
who had ever been had to file for unemployment. I
have had it incredibly charmed life. I am lucky. I
am fortunate. I've worked hard. I had worked hard to
be a basketball player. I had worked hard to get
an opportunity in broadcasting, and I've worked hard while I've
been in broadcasting. But I'm not such a jerk to

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think I'm somehow so much better than somebody else who
didn't get the opportunity. And just like I'm respectful of
all the opportunities granted to me because I played basketball
in college that opened up all these doors. I'm respectful
of the country which offered up all of these opportunities
to happen. So that's what I think of. And if

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when the national anthem plays, you take a knee, understand
that I don't think you have the perspective that I do,
and you probably think you don't have. I don't have
the respective that you do. And Drew Brees didn't take
a shot at the protesters are currently going on. He
simply said what he thinks of when he sees people
kneel before the flag, right, it doesn't mean it's gonna

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stop it from happening. It doesn't mean it's gonna stop
offensive lineman for block and form or defensive lineman, because
that's not the way it works in this country. The
way it works is if you want, if you want free,
you to work, you have to be willing to hear
the counter opinion, especially when it's an opinion that does
not impinge on your for civil rights right like your

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opinion can't be well if you don't like to leave
this country that that affects me, I don't. That's not
what he said. He said, when I like, let's play
the full cut one more time, go ahead, Ramas. I
will never agree with anybody Um, disrespecting the flag of
the United States of America or our country. UM. Let
me let me just tell you what I see, or

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what I see old when the national anthem is played,
and when I look at the flag of the United States,
I envisioned my two grandfathers who fought for this country
during World War Two, one in the army and one
in the Marine Corps, both risking their lives to protect
our country and to try to make our country and
this world a better place. So every time I stand

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with my hand over my heart looking at that flag
and singing the national anthem, that's what I think about.
And in many cases, it brings me to tears, thinking
about all that has been sacrificed, not just those in
the military, but for that matter, those throughout the civil
rights movements of the sixties and everyone and all that
has been endured by so many people up until this point.

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And is everything right with our country right now? No,
it's not. We still have a long way to go.
But I think what you do by standing there and
showing respect to the flag with your hand over your heart,
is it shows unity. It shows that we are all
in this together, we can all do better and then
we are all part of the solution. Give me your

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thoughts eight seven seven nine nine on Fox eight seven
seven ninety nine on Fox, we'll get the opinion of
all the rest of the guys as well. Uh. Coming
up next, So we have a plan for the NBA
to return. Does it make sense? We'll discuss it next.
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Doug Otlives Show, Fox Sports Radio. Okay, so the NBA
has a has a plan. Okay, has a plan and
um uh. That plan is to um propose um or
get league approval for a twenty two game, twenty two

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team format to restart the NBA season in Orlando. The
conference calling vote is set for twelve thirty pm Eastern
Time on Thursday. Top sixteen teams in the East and
Western Conferences will be joined by teams currently six game
within six games of the eighth place teams and two
conferences that's New Orleans, Portland's, San Antonio, Sacramento, Phoenix, and Washington. Right. Then,

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what they want to do is have essentially pool play
pool play into a play in into a tournament, right,
And I would guess that there's a couple of different
parts involved in this. They want to have ramp up games,
not exhibition games, because once you when you have ramp
up quasi real games, now you get the level of

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intensity cranked up, because you can't you won't have any
sort of intensity if you go from practices or even
scrimmages to NBA playoff games. That's not realistic. You've gotta
have a ramp up. You gotta have a ramp up um.
That's the first thing. The second thing is, yeah, you
you do want to get more teams involved. And while

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I think an ancillary benefit is getting Zion and getting
Damian Lillard and you know, getting San Antonio and getting
Phoenix and getting Washington and Brad feel like that it's
good to have more teams kind of involved, more cities involved,
more interest, the truth is that those teams are really fodder.
I'm not gonna win a championship. They may win a game,

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they may win around to the playoffs. Whatever. Does it
suck to be Memphis? It does suck to be Memphis,
who was three games, three and a half games up
in the West. But and this is a huge, huge butt.
The downside to it is, man, it's going head up
against football, and nothing has gone head up against football
and done well in the last decade and maybe decade

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really since the Red Sox come back against the Yankees.
That was the last time baseball hasn't done well. College
football isn't doing as well as it once did, but
it's more popular in certain parts of the kunt tree
than the NBA is. And while the NBA wants to
think of itself as on the rise and nipping at
the heels at the NFL, it's not close and they're

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gonna They're gonna run a dangerous path here. I like
it from a game play aspect in terms of more teams,
more games, build up, ramp up, playoffs, championship. I'm very,
very cautious about that date and what it means the
future dates in the NBA. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three
pm Easter noon Pacific e from Salam joins this former

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star offensive line in the Nation Football League. Now, of
course you can hear him on Fox Sports Radio. Uh,
he's an actor. He's an entrepreneur, he's a writer, he's
a producer, and he's just a talented dude. He let
me let me play for you the full context of
what Drew Brees had to say to Yahoo Finance earlier today.

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Respecting the flag of the United States of America or
our country, um, let me let me just tell you
what I see or what I feel when the national
anthem is played. And when I look at the flag
of the United States, I envisioned my two grandfathers who
fought for this country during World War Two, one in
the Army and one of the Marine Corps, both risking

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their lives to protect our country and to try to
make our country and this world a better place. So
every time I stand with my hand over my heart
looking at that flag and singing the national anthem, that's
what I think about. And in many cases, it brings
me to tears thinking about all that has been sacrificed,

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not just those in the military, but for that matter,
those throughout the civil rights movements of the sixties and
everyone and all that has been endured by so many
people up until this point. And is everything right with
our country right now? No, it's not. We still have
a long way to go. But I think what you
do by standing there and showing respect to the flag

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with your hand over your heart is it shows unity.
It shows that we are in this together, we can
all do better, and then we are all part of
the solution. What's your reaction to what Drew had to say?
What is the context? What was the context of him
saying that? Was there a question? As the question was asked?

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The question was asked, um what he thought of the
possibility of the national Anthem protests returning to the NFL
in two thousand twenty. Oh okay, So this was a
direct answer to if people were to kneel and protest. Um. So,

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the thing when when you and this is where a
lot of people get get caught up in what they say.
Because I've never had a problem with the American flag,
for our freedoms, for the people. My father's it was
in the military. My father was in the war as will.
So I understand that have family members currently in the

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in the military who have sacrificed a great uh many
things for including life, for this country. Um. So I don't,
I don't. I don't have a problem with that. But
given the current climate that we're in right now, it
just it I don't want to switch the narrative again.

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Like we saw what happened during the initial Colin Kaepernick protests.
It became less about what he was protesting for, and
it centered directly on how he was protesting. And so
when I hear a statement like that, that gets people
to talk about you, So now I'm have to talk

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about his Drew brees Is responds to what the flag
means to him and his family, lineage of military services,
so on and so forth. And given the current climate
of what's going on in the entire world right now, um,
with the spot light shown on police brutality, which the

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original protest was for. That's what the protest was for,
the unfair policing of of minorities in their own communities
by in the hands by the hands of the police.
And so it's difficult for me to like, if someone says,
what do you think about the protests? If if the
protest comes back in the NFL, I would say, I

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think it would have more steam now because people actually
get to see and feel exactly what the first protest
was about, right and that the individuals that are protesting,
they're not disparaging the flag or the military or even
this country. It's the treatment by some was in this country.

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That's where I would go, right, But that's a setup
for Drew, Right, that's a setup because he obviously feels
a certain way about the flag and the military and
what that means to him. But they didn't really ask
him about don't know if they asked him in that
interview about what's going on, how do you feel about
Attorney Vince And have you talked to some of your
teammates and the African American teammates and and so on

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and so forth, So it would be unfair to just
throw him there. They're pretty much throwing them to the wolves,
because that's not what we're talking about. Everybody right now
is feeling and talking about what's happening to African Americans
in this country by the hands of police. That's what's happening.
That's the that's the topic. So when you start asking

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random questions and you're getting these answers that don't address
actually what's happening right now outside our own front doors,
then it's misleading. Um, how does this affect him in
the Saints locker room? Um? And and it's That's what
I mean by it's unfair to him because it comes
off as tone death about what the actual issue is

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and what some are currently going through right now in
this country. Because you know, I'm sure if they would
have asked him, and I'm not sure if they did
or not, because I'm not pretty because the entire interviews, UM,
but I'm sure if they would ask him, how do
you feel about number one, what you saw with George Floyd,
how you're how are you responding to it? What are
you telling your kids? What about your community? The answer

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would have been different, So you know, I'm I'm with you,
I'm with you, I'm with you. And he did say
you know, things aren't all right or whatever? You know
he did the UM do you think it'll stop like
offensive lineman? Do you do you think that that changes?
Can you within the confines of the locker room, can

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you contextualize the discussion enough to where guys it can
be business as usual? Well, you know, they they know
Drew Brees better than we know Drew Brees. Those guys
in that locker room, they've been Withdrew and some of
our new guys there. But for the most part, those
guys have been around, so they know who they know
who he is and what he's about. We don't know

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that on the outside looking in. I mean, I know
Drew Brees, but I don't know him like that. I
never played with him. I played against them for over
a decade. Um. But those guys in that locker room
know him and know what he's about, and they may
understand that, you know, we don't. We don't know what
he's doing directly to address what's going on in New

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Orleans and in the communities. If he's out there on
the front line, if he's posted, we don't know that.
So I can't give a blanket statement about what those
guys in the locker room would do. I think, Um,
that's a conversation that they're they're gonna have when they
all get together. Um, and whatever comes out of that,
I'm sure we'll be privy to eventually. But I can't,

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you know, justly sit here and say those guys aren't
gonna like Drew Brees for his comments, because these comments
can be taken way out of context. Yes, but that's
what happened. That's what happens. That's the nature of that's
the nature of of of where, of where we are?
I guess then the question becomes, though, what what if

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that is his feelings? If he's like, look, I you
have your right to protest. I agree with the protest
like any human being. You watched that video and you're
just appalled, right, like I like you, like any sort
of everybody's appalled. I think everybody's pretty appalled by it. No,
I've actually been on radio and had people call in

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and did you'd be surprised on some of the sentiments, right,
which is part of the dialogue, right, like why didn't
that was Why wasn't that agregious? And why wasn't that
appalling to you? And someone like, look, the police were
there or within their right. I didn't think it was
too extensive. But I trust me firsthand. I've gotten all
of those live on the air, and that's why I

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enjoyed the dialogue because it's like a very pro police
and never one time has anyone been anti police, Like
I'm not anti police, I'm anti corruption. Yeah, I'm I'm
I'm with you. I just and and I don't know
if why the Derek Chauvin whatever, why you had this

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knee on if on George Floyd's neck, if it was
because he was trying to be dominant and being a
bully and being you know, and feeling himself, or it
was because George Floyd's black and it made him scared.
I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I do
know that I'm appalled by watching it. And you know,
the more the more stories I hear, you know, I

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don't you know of of enough people that I respect. Like, look, man,
you just don't understand, you know, things that happened aren't
aren't equal, aren't fair under the law, and like all right, well,
like let's let's let's continue this conversation. I do think though,
that you're you're allowed to have the the counter opinion
on or at least an opinion like breezes on some nature,

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aren't you. Of course, of course there's always another opinion
that Drew Brees wasn't addressing the current situation of what
was happening. He he was addressed, and I didn't even him.
I didn't even hear him say that he didn't like
when guys took a knee. But I didn't hear that
what the flag meant to him? Right, So you can't

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look that into he has a problem with guys taking
the knee, because he didn't say that no, no, but
but it's but but but again that that doesn't mean
that's not what happens. Right. You and I are are reasonable, sensible,
educated people who you know, like you know, you grew

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up in sports. You're not really I I find that
very few people who have spent their lives in sports
have any ability to be racist. I just you are. Really,
it's got to be really that That doesn't mean there
aren't racists in sports, but there aren't a lot because
you just don't make it that long because you've got
to figure out how to get along in respect people
you play with and compete with and against. But um,

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but I think the way in which is going to
be taken, it doesn't. It's like the perception doesn't necessarily
it doesn't matter if it's reality, it becomes a perception. Um, okay,
let me let me let me ask this. Should Kaepernick.
I am of the opinion that a massive missed opportunity
by Kaepernick two uh, maybe retake leadership of something that

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he started. Maybe he had no idea or had no
thoughts that it would become this big a thing. But
you've got cops and protesters alike taking a need that's kaepernicking,
and yet he's nowhere to be seen. Couldn't he be
the leader of this movement when he kind of is?
But it's allowed to have all these op shoots and
and and fake leaders because he he doesn't seem to

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have it in him to be that leader. No, I
don't know. I'm not going to question what he has
in him or not. Because he sacrificed a great deal
to bring this to the forefront, he was criticized, he
was demonized, he was villaous, the villainized by his silent protests.
And now all people are saying is why can't they
protest peacefully? Right? So they talked about a man who

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protests peacefully, and then they've villainI as people who are
outraged and and and now have a little more steam
to their protests. So it's it's pretty much a lose
lose in in terms of why isn't he out front
being the leader of this movement. He's never been in
front of the camera. Right, even during the protest, people like,

(32:18):
we just want to hear him, We just want to
hear him speak but that doesn't discount or just credit
what he's doing for this movement. He brought it to
the forefront. This is something that has been plaguing in
the African American community since the beginning of time, and
the fact that he chose that way to protest in
that platform, it made it a world event because talking

(32:38):
about all of the world. And now three years later
we're seeing you ignore are when you ostracize someone who's
trying to address issue and you ignore that. This is
what happened. So in terms of why isn't he at
the podium and he's at why isn't he at the
White House rallying everybody? Um, I don't leave. To me,

(33:03):
it doesn't the protest doesn't land on him. This is
bigger than the NFL and him taking the knee, and
it's grown far greater than that which should should have.
So this is just not a movement where one guy
can leave the movement. This has happening in countries all
over the world. This has in all fifty states. So

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they have one guy as the guy who is the
leader of of of a movement that is that that
you know, it's it's been centuries in the making, Yeah,
that's being scared to put on him. That's it's it's
that's impossible. You can't put this whole thing on his shoulders.
Although he was the face of it, uh during his

(33:45):
protests in the NFL. I just disagree with you. I
think he I honestly think he is the face of it.
And you know, part of what has part of the
reason that they were that people were able to make
it about the flag is because he wasn't taking a
commanding role in it and say it's not about the flag. Continue.

(34:07):
But I unders I understand, but you have to you
have to keep people on message, like that's part of
leadership is keeping people on message and and and and
writing the leadership role. Everybody in the leadership role. There's
no handbook on how to be at least everybody leads
in their own way, right. So the faces of this
movement are George Boyd, are Brianna Taylor? Are these victims

(34:32):
who those are the faces of the movement, not Colin Kaepernick,
those people who have lost their lives to this very
thing we're protesting. Those are the faces in the movement
and the leaders of the movement. Listen, I understand, but
they're not here to speak and stand up for themselves.

(34:52):
Why I do. I get it. But what I'm saying
is if Colin Kaepernick was over the last last week
at different rallies and leading and saying, look, this is
what I've been talking about for years. These are the names,
these are the faces, these are the people important. And yeah,
by the way, if you're with us, you're not looting,

(35:12):
not destroying property of owners. That this is this that
that's you're not with us, and this is what it's about.
It's about this thing. I think that's leadership, and I
think that's missing. And I'm surprised at a former starting
quarterback in the NFL that could lead fifty three men
to a super Bowl nearly to a comeback win the
super Bowl, doesn't see it that way. I'm surprised. But

(35:35):
once again, we can't. And I think that was a
problem with the protest. Everybody had an idea of how
he should be protesting and what he should be doing.
It doesn't work like that, right, Like, yeah, if we
would want things to be a certain way, but if
they're not that way, it doesn't discredit or it doesn't
take a wink from the actual facts. Whether comic Kaepernicks

(35:58):
decide to step out and go to Washington and in
Minneapolis and Oakland and overseas to talk at these rallies.
That is beside the point that the movement is too big.
It's it's bigger. It's it's way bigger than that. Now, yeah,
with that add some energy, and of course, but this

(36:20):
train is gone. It's not obviously you can see it.
It's not going to stop. There's a line being drawn.
There's no more straddling the line. Right as right and
wrong as wrong. And you gotta pick what side of
the line you're on. And however you feel or deemed
you need to be uh to speak out and and

(36:41):
be heard. That's your decision. But us as a collective,
that's the loudest voice. We just we don't need Colin
Kaeperan extending at the steps of the capital giving us
a speech on what to do or how to do it.
This thing is already in motion. That eight minutes forty

(37:03):
six seconds was devastating George Floyd listening to listening to
him cry for help and no one doing anything. Breaking news.
All four of all the three other officers have all
been charged with aiding and abetting second degree murder. So

(37:25):
they'll all be arrested today. Yeah, that was just released,
uh via CNN and at what every news station. The
district attorney in Minneapolis has has levied that punishment after
assessing um all of the evidence, Like this is, look,
how fast this is happening? This would have took forever, right,

(37:48):
and those officers in Atlanta. I don't, I I don't.
I don't know how. I don't know how long. I mean, like, look,
I don't want I have no idea how long it
would have taken. I have no idea. I mean like, look,
if if we want justice, that has to be a
fair trial. And and but I you know, I don't know.
I do know that's breaking news. And I know that
that you you and I will continue this conversation. But

(38:11):
good stuff, dude, we got we got we gotta roll. Uh.
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UM student athletes back on campus. Mile Ma Hotter has
three student athletes who have apparently tested positive for COVID

(38:56):
nineteen asymptomatic nonetheless, but we'll get to that this hour
in the show. But when everyone's talking about UH outside
of the sports world of the protests. Inside of the
sports world is both the protests and when we're gonna
get back to work. And it appears that the NBA
has a plan now. Their their plan UH is basically

(39:19):
making a bubble city out of the wild world of sports.
It's a sports complex in Orlando, very close to Disney World,
where they're gonna play the remaining games of some form
of NBA season into a playoffs into UM in into
the actual playoffs play seven game series which will culminate

(39:41):
in an October NBA Finals. Adam Silver is expected to
have a proposal take a vote on Thursday at twelve
thirty on the East Coast. So welcome in. Ryan Hollins. Yeah,
he works everywhere he covers the league. He played in
the league. He played at U C l A. He
joins us in the Doug Gottlips Show on Fox Sports Radio. UM,

(40:01):
I want to get to all the other stuff. Let's
just start with the NBA twenty two teams welcomed in
Bubble City, Orlando neutral site. What are your thoughts on
what the plan is as of now? I look at
Adam Silver right now, and uh, I'm thankful because it
looks like he absolutely got it right. Uh. As far

(40:21):
as the NBA teams getting back and playing two teams
stick out to mind two players Damian Lillard and Zion Williams,
and uh, Damian Lillard, Trevor Reesa and Carmelo and those
guys c j Uh. That's that's a veteran squad that
wants to go out and maybe we don't think they're
going to compete for a championship, but in their minds,
they've they've geared up, and you've got to apply dame
for what he's done over there. The Pelicans arguably the

(40:44):
most exciting player in Ziohn Williamson since we've seen since
Lebron James. So you know, and you'd like to see
what he would do. Uh, in a playoff scenario and uh,
you know, Doug, I know we'll get to it, but
even just bigger than uh, bigger than basketball. You know,
the support that Adams over in the NBA players have had,
um just within the time of you know, the outcry

(41:04):
for social justice that we're dealing with now, and you know,
Adams really appreciate how sensitive that he's gone about, uh,
the situations and allowing NBA players to express themselves. And now,
uh you see a lot of this. Um. I don't
want to say change is happening, but you know things
are definitely different. Um, Let's why why so long? Like

(41:25):
I I think I would understand it would take so
long in terms of getting ready and getting into shape.
But you can't if you're gonna have these preliminary games,
why not get back in the court early in July
for when you got around the guys up, you gotta
round them up and uh, ultimately injury prevention. You know, Doug,
you and I both know, man, we could go through

(41:47):
two months of training camp. You know, back in the
day we played in college, you got a whole month
of just running, you know, weightlifting, suicides, all that you
get on the court and you still be out of shape. Uh.
So there's a level where these guys bodies have to
get back into the form um. And that's why it's
gonna it's gonna take a while. Uh. Every you know,
every team wants to say at least some swarm of

(42:08):
peace or goodbye as the season was cut short. So
I think getting as many teams as you can for
meaningful games makes sense. You don't want to just be
watching nothing on TV, even though at this point, you know,
beggars really can't be choosings if it comes to our
our NBA actions. But more so, Doug, to answer your
question entry prevention, getting these guys back in you have

(42:28):
no idea how out of shape? Uh that that that
guys have God and then just mentally just getting in
the routine of being NBA players again, getting back to
regular life. Ryan Allan is joining us in the Doug
Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay, what do
you think this does to the balance of power? Like
when we last saw the NBA it was Clippers, Lakers, Bucks,

(42:49):
those are the three best teams that what if anything
changes when the when these teams return, you know, Doug, Doug,
we talked about this, and I was, you know, I
don't want to say represent a landslide. This is pre
Lebron James, you know, probably one of the best weeks
he's had in a very very long time where he
took down Kawaii Leonard in Janice. But I think this
really really does not savor uh the Clippers. I look

(43:12):
at Lebron James and I think he's gonna come out
as a favorite to win the NBA Championship. Why do
I say that in the midst of chaos? We rely
on what experience. Looking at the guy who's got three
championships and nine NBA Finals, is gonna know if the
temperature is like of playing in the NBA playoffs in
the midst of uncertainty? Are the Clippers more equipped? Yet?

(43:34):
Do they have uh ten, nine or ten guys on
roster that can at least stay in front of Lebron
James and won't just give up an immediate bucket? Yes? Uh,
top to bottom? Do we like what they bring to
the table? Do they have Kawhi Leonard, who was arguingly
the best player in the world before Lebron James showed
up to the two thousand and twenties season, yes, but ultimately,

(43:55):
I'm gonna look at experience. I'm gonna look at the veterans.
I talked to guys like Jared Dudley, uh In, Quinn
Cook and those guys on the Lakers, and they've been
working out, they've been preparing, so, you know, just understanding
the sense of urgency and not not having a lack
of complacency. And I'm not saying the Clippers have it,
but I'm gonna lean on experience in these times. Ryan Hollands,

(44:15):
our guest in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. UM,
I'm gonna i wanna play for you something that Drew
Brees had to say earlier today now, uh this. He
was asked the question to ask the question about his
thoughts on the potential return of national anthem protests this
year in the NFL. Here was his response. I will

(44:37):
never agree with anybody, um disrespecting the flag of the
United States of America or our country. UM. Let me
let me just tell you what I see or what
I feel when the national anthem is played and when
I look at the flag of the United States. I
envisioned my two grandfathers who fought for this country during
World War Two, one in the Army and one of

(45:00):
the Marine Corps, both risking their lives to protect our
country and to try to make our country and this
world a better place. So every time I stand with
my hand over my heart looking at that flag and
singing the national anthem, that's what I think about, And
in many cases, it brings me to tears thinking about

(45:20):
all that has been sacrificed, not just those in the military,
but for that matter, those throughout the civil rights movements
of the sixties and everyone and all that has been
endured by so many people up until this point. And
is everything right with our country right now? No, it's not.
We still have a long way to go. But I

(45:41):
think what you do by standing there and showing respect
to the flag with your hand over your heart, is
it shows unity. It shows that we are all in
this together, we can all do better, and then we
are all part of the solution. What do you think
Jewelry is someone that I've looked too. Drew Brees is

(46:01):
the ultimate professional. I couldn't think about somebody dropping the
ball more out of more important time in history. The statement,
even when Colin Kaepernick took a knee. The statement was
never that Colin Kaepernick did not respect America and all

(46:25):
that the troops and people have done. In fact, he
said he was frustrated that a lot of his friends
that served in the military were not treated correctly. So
Drew Brees just glossed over the whole point of everything
that's going on right now. That hurts, that's frustrating. That's
the whole reason that this whole situation is happening. Like

(46:46):
but like, like straight up, like I swear to go
like I love I look out, I'm hurt right now.
I look up to Drew Brees, like that's disappointing, Drew
Brees knowing it's saying that we don't appreciate the sacrifices
that your dad, your grandpa, or whoever has made for
the country. I'm not political anything like that. I understand
that I'm not fighting that. I like being safe. Okay,

(47:06):
I like being safe. I don't want to be bummed.
But Drew Brees, he dropped the ball here. Acknowledge what's
going on right now, knowledge police brutality, Acknowledge a system
that is essentially failing right now. You listen, you could
my kids understand and watch. George Floyd has said it
was wrong, and I'm not saying that Drew Brees is
saying this right. But there's a bigger matter here that's

(47:28):
been going on right now. And that's why listen, I
have real heart and real frustration a boy Drew Brees
saying that this ain't the time. Now, maybe I didn't
hear all of the clip. Maybe there's more than what
Drew Brees has said, but I'm incredibly disappointed. There's there's something,
there's something that's really really wrong that we finally have
people understanding. So don't make this about the military or

(47:51):
somebody else or whatever. Ultimately look at the situation and saying, man,
people are treated wrong. African Americans have been treated wrong.
We all need some form of equality that we're really
close to fighting for. Drew Brees, you have a voice
that speaks. Yeah, here's what I'm gonna disagree with you. Okay,
now again, in full, in in fairness, Okay, we want

(48:14):
to play the whole clip. We didn't play the whole interview,
and I don't know if he was asked about the
actual protests, but I also think, and this is really important,
he was giving his perspective on the national anthem. That
that's his perspective, and I think that's one that's shared
by a lot of people, right or wrong. Now, is

(48:35):
there a difference between that and the protests that are
going on now? Absolutely that should not in any way,
And I would agree with you that, Like there has
to be some sort of statement at some point from
Drew Brees which is like, you know what what you
saw in Minneapolis is horrifying. It is absolutely horrifying. But
I I think if we're gonna have the real conversation,

(48:55):
the real conversation also has to be Hey, I'm willing
to listen. That's what you see when he sees somebody
kneel befourth, Like, that's how you feel, That's how it
makes you feel. Now Again, my my stance has always been,
like I actually I get I actually get with Drew
Brees saying I thought that Kaepernick was and anybody who
kneels for flag is not only disrespectful, but intentionally disrespectful. Right, Like,

(49:18):
there's this Well, it's not about yes, it is, it
actually is. It's it's intentionally to bring attention to a problem,
which I'm ryan I'm being completely you know, we grew
up kind of similar sort of worlds, right where your
basketball player, you don't really you can't really see race.
If you do something something, you're not gonna last long
in the basketball world. If you have a problem with

(49:38):
somebody the other color skin, especially if you're white, having
colored with somebody with black skin, right, you just you
ain't gonna work. Right. So it's always been hard for
me to wrap my head around how black people feel
like they're being treated when like, I don't feel like
I treat anybody differently, so why would anybody else? But
I actually think this is his honest perspective what he

(49:59):
see ease, and I think it's going to be parsed
in a way which is going to demonize him. And
I actually think when you listen to the full context
of it, it it can't it shouldn't be demonized. Alright, alright, fair, fair,
But here this, Doug. I don't agree with looting. I don't.
I don't agree with looting. I'm not gonna that. That's

(50:20):
not for me. That doesn't make sense. But when I
see people doing it, I understand the hurt. I understand
that those are voices that they feel like they're not hurt.
I understand that some of them are doing it for
selfish reasons because they want to get a TV or
a new pair of shoes or a selfish game. But
I understand that there's people that are also hurt and
they really don't know how to express themselves, and they're

(50:40):
just going to tear up the first thing that they find,
whether it be right or wrong. UM. I also believe
Doug that there's a time in a place for everything,
And when you look at Colin, it was it was
a form of a peaceful protest that he didn't appreciate
the things that were going on today. And I understand
while some may see it is disrespect listen to his message.

(51:04):
By no means is anything his message disrespectful. And Doug,
you and I both know as members of the media,
is a time and the place for everything. In the
midst of of you know, civil unrest, in the midst
of you know someone was beat up or or domestic violence,
you don't want to be on the other side saying
something else. And I do respect that it's that it's

(51:26):
it's Drew's opinion, and he may say, you know, for
me personally, this is what it represents and I'm not
changing that, but I think there's a problem when you
cast judgment on other people, especially on the time. And Doug,
I get it with me and you both we've been blessed.
We play a sport. We were able to be a
part of a sport in which speaks the universal language music, basketball, sports,

(51:49):
you know, entertainment. It's a universal language that brings people together.
And it's but absolutely beautiful. You've had black teammates, have
had white teammates, Latino, Asian and so on the floor forth.
All that matters when you go on according no matter
what color you're on. If you could ball, you could ball.
But I'm saying as far as timing, this is incredibly
poor timing from Drew Brees. And maybe before you make

(52:10):
a statement, I said, you know, hey, man, I want
to not and and into his fairness. We both are
acknowledging we did not hear the full uh interview or
what has said. We don't know what type of support. Shoot,
we don't even know Drew Brees has pledged money towards
the situation, you know, But right now this is not
the time to be saying, man, I'm dung home fighting

(52:30):
for the military, you know, and I get you. He
answered the question, which was a question. But I just
believe that the bigger issue right now, and I hope
that a reporter wasn't just trying to find a sound
bag to make Drew Brees look bad because I really
really look up the Drew Brees and love Drew Brees
and thought he's been an amazing pro and heard nothing
but great stuff about him. It's just very poor timing.
Ryan Hollen joining us in the dug Out Lit Show

(52:52):
on Fox Sports Radio. Um, this is a really really
unique time. I guess kind of bringing back to the NBA,
and you talked about I don't I feel like the
NBA is missing that window though, man, Like I just
especially considering that social justice is something that I think
the NBA, above even the NFL or any of any

(53:13):
other players that has been intricately involved in and accepted
the responsibility of. I feel like, you know, you're you're
going to get to July and into August and now
competing with football in September, I feel like it's missing
its window. Man. It's it's incredibly tough, but we know
how sensitive times are, you know, beyond the social injustice

(53:35):
with with COVID nineteen and obviously safety in the NBA.
As you know, I don't want to say the pioneer
with it. I guess what the word would be. They
were the first league to have stopped and you know,
major league to go on and and say hey, we're
gonna start up again. So the reality behind it, and
duck you understand this. You know there's player contracts that
are up, So what all right, if you're on a

(53:55):
one year deal, you know, Jared Dudley for the Lakers,
do we roll over and you're still on the team
or do we just cut your contracts short and you
do not uphold and obligation. You know there's billions and
trends of dollars that being are being lost beyond the NBA.
But you know, if you have an opportunity to come
back and salvage and and not have a year where
like just DNP aspects no winner or or at right

(54:18):
now as fans right the Milwaukee Bucks would hold up
the trophy and say, well, I guess we kind of
won by default, so you've got to have a finish
to the season. I think, uh, the NBA, you know,
will be hotter than ever if they do it and
promoted right, which I I trust that will. I have
no idea what it would look like, but you know,
sometimes you take those limits, Doug, and you make lemonade.

(54:41):
You're good, You're healthy, you safe. Yeah, man, we're good.
We're at home. I think the toughest part for me, man,
just being honest and frank what you were just like
explain to my kids what's what's going on, or having
to have those conversations with them, because like it sucks
as a kid, like I don't care what color you are,
you know what I'm saying, ain't, but like they have
to hear these conversations, and you know, hopefully, if if

(55:04):
it's permitted, they grow up in a world that's much
much different and they can be a part of that change.
I'm saying they need to be out, you know, in
the front lines of social justice. But if they see it,
we all have a personal obligation, uh to kind of
put a halt to it. And I think I think
the big message Doug, you degree is like just having empathy,
empathy towards these situations and not just turning a blind

(55:24):
eye and going, well, that's what it is. Because Black
people go, well, they're not going to change it. We
know it's wrong. And white people go, well, I don't
really see it. Well, you all see it now, you
know yep, well said, I totally agree on empathy. It's
it's more of it is needed. Ryan, thanks so much
for joining us. Hey, Doug, you're the man. Appreciate you again, Man,
great show. I'm gonna keep on listening. Man, I'm tuning in.

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Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific. Vic Fangio,
for people who don't know, Vic Fangio was started being
a coordinator in It took him until this past year
to get a head coaching job, and what he said
was football is a meritocracy, right, and I don't actually

(56:32):
think it is totally meritocracy. Part of it is a
popularity contest. What he said is what I said about quarterback,
about the Bears drafting a quarterback. He didn't get a
job as a head coach for twenty five years despite
being a coordinator and a good one because he started

(56:53):
to get along with people, not because he's white, because
they're black. Whatever. Now, do I think there needs to
be more opportunities for minorities to climb the ranks of
coaching staffs in front offices? Yes, yes, has to be
a depth of prospects um in administration as well as

(57:14):
in coaching. But like nothing speaks more to the fact that, uh,
it's really really hard to get one of those jobs,
more than Dick Pangio's career. He's speaking from personal experience,
which doesn't change what he said, and it doesn't change
He didn't say racism doesn't exist. He just said it

(57:39):
doesn't exist in football. And and this is what's happened,
and this is what hurts. And I want I want
you to listen, and this is the problem that we
stop listening to one another. Like the way it's supposed
to work. You say your side that I said my side.
I said, you say my side. Even when you're yelling
at each other, you're supposed to see your side, right,

(58:03):
So I think it's super interesting here we stopped listening.
And what what so many people who want to claim
systematic racism will tell you is, hey, if you don't
accept that this is the way it is, that's that's
not what if I my experience is different than yours, right,

(58:28):
Like my experience is different than like I'm big bangio,
I'm a I'm a senior citizen. Now I to wait
twenty five years to get my head coaching head coaching job.
Like there wasn't any there wasn't any systematic system of
oppression which helped promote me. So I and the the

(58:49):
the idea that he needs to apologize for his perspective
having lived it is a big problem for me. We
do the opposite of what we're saying. We're doing. Hey, man,
we're protesting because you gotta listen, you gotta see these
problems exist, all right, Well, what if my experience in
this specific sport place of work is different, Well then

(59:12):
your opinion doesn't matter that that's what we're saying. Vic Fangio,
who spent his entire professional life coaching, and its spent
the last twenty five years trying to get a head coach.
And y'all finally gets when people like you know, it's
just their systematic racism and football, like, no, there's not,
there was, there was. You can't excuse what happened to

(59:34):
Warren Moon, you can't excuse what happened to so many Okay,
but we're in a place now where you're just trying
to win games, just trying to win games. That's it,
just trying to win games, you know. And and we

(59:54):
we do this thing when when quarterbacks, oh, you're criticized
because it's a black pock. No, not Baker Mayfield has
taking more criticism. Johnny Manzel rightfully took a ton of criticism.
Carson Palmer retired, took a ton of criticism even though
he retired because he was made promises by the Bengals
and they didn't live up to him. And he's like,
I'll walk, I'll do my way. All these men were criticized.

(01:00:18):
Matt Leonard wasn't as good a pro as uh, Mark Sanchez.
I mean, we make fun of Mark Sanchez because the
butt fumble. He went to two AFC champion games. We
act like he was a total chump as a quarterback.
He wasn't. But again we do these things and we're like,
you're only criticizing. No, not. Football is a meritocracy. Tony
Romo said it. Tony Roma lost his job to Dak

(01:00:40):
Prescott when he was injured. He said, football's meritocracy. Dak
Prescott didn't get his job because he's black. Tony Romo
didn't lose his job because he's Mexican American. To Roma
lost his job because he got hurt and Dak Prescott
came in and played great. That's why, and that's the
way it's supposed to be. That was the That was

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the go back and listen to the I have a
dream speech, right. It was the I want my kids
judge on the content of the character, not the color
of their skin. That's what happened with Dak Prescott. It's
the only reason he got the job because he was healthy.
He kicked as Tony Romo wasn't healthy. When Tony Romo
came back, it was too late. It was too late.

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I believe Tony Romo to be correct. I believe if
you look at the last fifteen years in football. That's
what's happened. Like we want to make these arguments about
we Lamar Jackson was passed over because now he wasn't
It wasn't like the same team which helped him become
the m v P passed over him in the first

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round of the draft. Guys make mistakes, they do, and
guys get better and guys improved. Ja Marcus Russell's draft
to number one overall, not because he was black, because
he was gigantic with a huge arm playing for the
Raiders who wanted to throw it vertical. It was a
terrible pick, not because he was black, but because he

(01:02:05):
was lazy and he was addicted to scissora and he
didn't improve and he didn't live up to his potential.
Same thing with Johnny Menzel, right, he didn't improve, he
didn't lock in, he didn't work hard enough, he didn't
know the playbook. Tenny Man's out and lose his job
for any other reason than he wasn't good enough. That's it,

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and Vic Fangio having to apologize for his own personal
perspective spending the last twenty five years trying to get
the head coaching job after becoming a chord twenty five
years ago. He became a chordiner. Somebody's got apologized for
his own perspective on a sport that he loves and
coaches and worked his entire life to get this chance.

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I don't. It doesn't mean that that players and coaches
don't feel differently. He's allowed to have his opinion. That's
the whole idea of this thing. Let's get to a game.
This is game time time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

(01:03:11):
R damn bye. When you got my friend dog? The
game today is real news? Fake news alright, real news
are fake news that NBA players won't be allowed to
shower at their facilities after games and must do so
at their hotels Spectacle. Yeah, no post game locker room
showers will have to go back to the Romata Inn

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and clean up wherever they may be staying. But zero chance.
That's that's why I kept it, you know, the Romata
In than real news or fake news. Players can bring
to family members with them to Orlando and the NBA
when the season starts on July one. You are fake news.
No players will be allowed to have family members with

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them when the playoffs start, but not right away. That's
according to one of the provisions that the Board of
Governors will vote on tomorrow. Governor, so it allows time
for the girlfriends to be there for the regular season
and then the family can show up for the side
pieces regular season. Come on, it's just a joke, just fire.

(01:04:16):
Real news are fake news. Inactive players won't be allowed
to stay at the arena once lineups are set when
the NBA resumes. That sounds like real news are they
can sit the stands. So they's just can't be on
the bench, but they can sit you know, in section
one ten or wherever they're going to be playing the games.
But they they'll have to sit in the stands. Yeah
it must be in the front row. But they won't

(01:04:39):
be allowed to be Like when when you know they
have all these European players drafted. You know they always
like sit in the stands and they pop out. Was
a stands guy? Yeah, Giannese and Tanta No no, no, no, no,
oh man, there is Yeah. I still remember that draft
day as a Bucks fan. I'm like, great, another project,

(01:04:59):
this is going well. Little did I know that this
is uh yeah, it worked out alright. Real news are
fake news Doug that the Carolina Panthers have offered retired
linebacker Luke Keikley an assistant coaching job on Matt Rule staff. Yes,
he's reportedly weighing his options to be a scout within
the front office or possibly make a move to the

(01:05:21):
broadcast booth. He's a brilliant guy, very well respected for
a player, um and he had to retire too early
because of health concerns. So which is what happened Troy Aikman,
what happened with Tony Romo? What happened with him? He'll
be he'd be good either way. Maybe he and John
Ramos can team up and be the Panthers preseason you
know TV, you know they have those uh take the
national guys. Put him in a different market like it.

(01:05:43):
Maybe maybe that could happen. We've all got our fair
share to get that job, John, John, how would you
introduce your TV broadcast if you were the preseason voice
of the Carolina Panthers. Welcome to Panthers Football, All right there, Doug,
your thoughts you hired that would probably be like would
that be week one of the preseason or would that

(01:06:04):
be every one of the preseason games? All three or
four preseasons. That's yeah, that would be great. That's really good.
That'd be kind of like you know, the uh, what
is your that would be your trademark. You know when
John Ramo says, welcome to Panthers football. You know it's
football time t shirts. That's it. Real news are fake news, Doug.

(01:06:27):
The fate of this year's Ryder Cup will be decided
by the end of the month. That's uh, real news,
they're real and the spectacle that is correct. The chief
executive of the of the European Tour, who was half
of putting on the Ryder Cup with the PGA of America,
says that discussions will go on throughout the month of June.

(01:06:49):
It's really it seems to be much more dug than
a matter of fans or no fans being there. There
are some other issues that the European Tour may want
to play the Eider Cup and not delay it for
another year. But but they should know by the end
of June. Is the message at least coming from the
European Tour. Finally, Doug, real, lose your fake news. That
someone broke into Miller Park in Milwaukee, causing minor damage

(01:07:12):
to the field. That's uh, that's real news. They're real.
Doesn't seem to have anything to do with any of
the protests. But someone was apprehended, like at seven o'clock
in the morning on Tuesday. I don't know what minor
damage one person could do to the field, but that
is apparently what happened in the home of the Milwaukee
Brewers Donuts. But yeah, but if it's not even a truck,

(01:07:37):
if it's just him, I don't know. I'm not sure.
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scorecard limitations apply. I hope every buddy understands what I'm saying. Hey,
what I'm saying, Like we we just take this and
it spreads like wildfire to where you have to you
have to admit everything is racist, Like no, that wasn't
really the that's not the whole, Like we're getting far

(01:08:18):
afield from everything. The current protests. The current protests are about, um,
the mistreatment of I don't even think just black people,
but the mistreatment specifically of black people by the police.
And so when we get into sports and sports specific like,

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you can say it exists, you can feel like it exists.
But wit and now you're kind of point to stats
because the NFL has reacted, and I think rightfully, so
the numbers are down or bad. It's not great optics,
But optics aren't necessarily okay, aren't aren't necessarily um an

(01:09:04):
accurate perceptive act. Don't always point out racism. Just because
there's not enough black head coaches doesn't mean there's racism,
you know. I mean, look in terms of population United States,
black people make up of the United States. If you

(01:09:24):
want to tell me that their systematic racism in the
laws and the way people are treated and that's why
there's a mass incarceration of young black men, I'm very
very much willing to listen, because that's it's a what happens.
There is a perception problem from every day human beings, right.
I mean Mark Cuban essentially said as much without trying

(01:09:48):
to say as much, which is, if you see a
person of color walking down the street, do you feel anything,
Do you think anything, and it's because it's been it's
been told to you time and again in what those
numbers are. But in terms of the sport of football,
sport of basketball, and of baseball, I'm of the opinion

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and it's backed up generally by people I know in
decision make in in decision making, which is, look, we
all just want to win games. Because we win games,
we get another contract, we make more money, we get
a better house, and our kids get to go to school,
and there's their food on the table and our everybody
is happy. That's what's important. And so if your person

(01:10:31):
that thinks like that, I just don't feel like it's
a it's nearly as legitimate a discussion as it may
be used to be, especially in considering how things continue
involve and change. There are ebbs and flows. Would I
be willing to admit that there needs to be more
faces of color leading NFL franchises as head coaches and

(01:10:54):
of course, of course, but that doesn't Just because we
currently don't have as many as we have had previously
and haven't had enough in front offices doesn't mean that
racism is the reason why, or from Big Fangio's perspective

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a guy who's lived in the NFL, and I'm sure
there's there's some of it where he just feels it himself,
like man with I mean, how long did I have
to wait to get a job right? We can only
speak from our own perspective and experiences, and that's what
he shared. But I'm just disappointed by We're supposed to
be having opening conversations and sharing our thoughts and our perspective.

(01:11:36):
Fangio shares his and immediately has to apologize for What
did he say that was so embarrassing? That was that
needed to be apologized for? Did the NBA get it
right with the return to play plans? We'll talk about
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we like to play for you a portion of a
previous show on Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Why don't
we call it No? This is Dan Patrick talking about
the NBA's return to play plan. I don't know why
they need to make it so complicated it's just if

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I have all twenty two teams each playing eight games,
and then that decides the standing. So I've given the Blazers,
I've given Zion and the Pelicans a chance to make
the playoffs, and then when you don't make the playoffs,
then that's it. Then you go home. Those six team
goes home. You have sixteen teams, and then you have

(01:12:39):
a playoffs series here. Oh, don't make it more complicated.
Just give Portland a chance, or you want to give
the Pelicans a chance, and then that's it, and and
you play your eight games, and then if you're not
there in the top sixteen, then you don't get to play.
Don't make it more complicated than what it is. Eight games. Okay,
let's see how you fare in those eight games. Did

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you move up? Did the Pelicans slip into the eighth spot?
All right? If they did great, If they didn't, Now,
can Washington fall out of their playoffs spot? I know
we're we're talking about those on the outside trying to
get in. Who is most vulnerable here? You know, the
Pelicans I think are three and a half games out.
So if you have eight games, you can make up
three and a half games. But could somebody be relegated here? Like,

(01:13:23):
could this be the NBA's version of relegation if all
of a sudden somebody went on a hot streak and
won six or eight games and then they knocked somebody out. Yeah, listen,
it could be. Really there's there's some teams at the bottom,
the bottom of the playoff current playoff standings who are
gonna potentially get screwed by this. Most not believe the

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Memphis Grizzlies. And by the way, Memphis being three and
a half up and we think with the structure, they're
still gonna have play it and doesn't take a ton
to maintain that that lead. And as much as we
want to feel good for the Grizzlies, who are thirty
two and thirty three before we stopped, let's be honest,
they were just thirty two and thirty three. And if
they're really good, why can't they just All you gotta

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do is win four games, Win four games, and you're
probably you're safe. You know, you're safe from the non
playoff relegation. The same goes for the Orlando Magic. What happens.
I think the most interesting team is the Brooklyn Nets.
I know they've said that Kevin Durant is not going
to play, but why not? You know why not? It

(01:14:31):
doesn't mean he has to play forty minutes a night,
but what why why can't he play some if nothing else,
the extended training camp as well as, you know, a
couple of games, getting those under your belt before you
go back into mothballs. Like so we're not gonna have
Kevin Rand play until January of next year. NIKES doesn't

(01:14:53):
seem like the best plan. I like. I think the
interesting teams are what happens to Orleans, what happens in
New Orleans. My guess is, and this is one of
the things that's really gonna hurt Zion when he goes.
I don't know how much he's been working. I'd love
to see what kind of shape he's in. He's got
two months to get in shape. But his lack of
a jump shot and and the way in which he plays,

(01:15:15):
all those teams will have the ability to scout. Teams
will be very very very very very well scouted. You're
not gonna be able to surprise anybody. You will be
open for a reason. And I think you know, players
like Zion Williamson. Now that everyone's seeing him, and they
will see him in person, it'll be much more difficult

(01:15:37):
for him to be this current best version of himself.
That's what the fox said. Um okay, So Drew Brees,
uh had an interview with Yahoo Finance, and there's an
answer to a question about flag protests. Again, part of
it is how the question is asked. But we're gonna

(01:15:59):
play the full kind text then give you some thoughtful
commentary on it. Music. I haven't asked your opinion. What
do you think about what Drew Brees said. I think
that it is his opinion to think that about the
National Anthem, and I think that, uh, he could have
been slightly better about the way that he structured his feelings.

(01:16:22):
That perhaps wouldn't have garnered such a harsh reaction from
people right had he had he simply said, hey, look
this is this has nothing to do with the current protests,
which I support. If you said, look, I support people's
protests and understand that change needs to be had inside
police departments, let me just tell you what I think
of in regard to the flat protest for the National Anthem.

(01:16:45):
But he didn't. He's a big boy, and what he
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Do Do Do? Do? Do Do? Do Do? Okay? So, Um,
there's a lot of interesting stuff kind of going on here. Um.
There's Major League Baseball at a standoff with the Play

(01:17:35):
Association ever coming back and playing. There's the NBA which
appears really close to come back and playing. There's college
football where Oklahoma State my alma mater, my Gundy of course,
and wanted to get guys on campus sooner. They got
three guys test positive for COVID, all supposedly asymptomatic. All right.
Then we had the protest which continue nationwide. They continue

(01:17:58):
to spread into the suburb and seem to gain more support.
And though there has been some destruction, has been some
looting that seems to have on some level been kind
of leveled off here. Um with with bringing in the
National Guard. That will that will change some things, you know,
I'll change some things. Um, But now people are we're

(01:18:23):
getting our opinions out there, and opinions usually the words
get parsed, we cut them up, and we're unfair to people.
That's that's what I feel that about. I feel like
that that happens all the time. To take Drew Brees, Okay,
And I'm not sitting here telling you I agree with

(01:18:44):
everything Drew Brees is saying or the way in which
he said it. I'm also not saying I disagree. You're like, wait, wait,
so you don't agree with him. It doesn't mean I
disagree with everything that he's saying. Drew Brees was asked
by Yahoo Finance. All right, um, by Yahoo Finance. Okay.

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We included the question and his full answer. Take a listen.
Everyone is looking back now at Kaepernick's protests for a
few years ago, and obviously they were always about police brutality,
and now it's coming back to the foe and a
lot of people expect that we will see players kneeling
again even when the NFL season starts. I'm curious how
do you think the NFL will and should respond to that.

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And of course you're such a leader in the league,
what is your responsibility as a leader in times like
this for the rest of your teammates and players in
the league. I will never agree with anybody, UM, disrespecting
the flag of the United States of America or our country. UM.
Let me let me just tell you what I see
or what I feel when the national anthem is played,

(01:19:53):
and when I look at the flag of the United States,
I envisioned my two grandfathers who fought for this country
during World War Two, one in the Army and one
in the Marine Corps, both risking their lives to protect
our country and to try to make our country and
this world a better place. So every time I stand

(01:20:14):
with my hand over my heart looking at that flag
and singing the national anthem, that's what I think about.
And in many cases, it brings me to tears thinking
about all that has been sacrificed, not just those in
the military, but for that matter, those throughout the civil
rights movements of the sixties and everyone and all that
has been endured by so many people up until this point.

(01:20:38):
And is everything right with our country right now? No,
it's not. We still have a long way to go.
But I think what you do by standing there and
showing respect to the flag with your hand over your
heart is it shows unity. It shows that we are
all in this together, we can all do better, and
then we are all part of the solution. Mhm. Now

(01:21:00):
I listened to the entire thing, and I know and
every guest we've had on UM, I believe they're all
African American, they've all had taken issue with it. Many
people are taking issue with it. I got a buddy
of mine, Trevor, who listens to the show, and he
texts me he is like, UM, sorry to bother you.
I'm listening to your show. What do we stand for

(01:21:20):
the anthem? Then I'll take a knee in unity to
acknowledge the issue that's going on with social justice? How
about you keep them separate, but pay attention on both.
So when we're looking at it, UM, my issue with
the now the kneeling is this. The idea of kneeling
was to bring attention to an issue. Attention was gained. Now,

(01:21:43):
what like, how do we make smart adjustments and changes
many of which have, by the by the way, taken place,
you know, have taken place. And that's what a lot
of the the heads of police departments have said to
all of us throughout this entire time. It's like Hey, look,

(01:22:04):
we we've we continue to get better. We're not perfect.
We're not perfect. Well this is this and and forgive
me if my mind is evolving and changing and thinking
as we go. Okay, but that's I think what you're
supposed to do, which is you don't just say something

(01:22:26):
or have an opinion and stay in that place and
never add to it. Right. Um. I've long been a
advocate of the college system remaining some form of fashion
where it is in terms of amateurism. I don't want

(01:22:46):
to get into reasons about it. I just now have
I evolved in some way on some of my thinking.
Of course, I'm against name, image, and likeness. I think
there are so many unintended consequences, O we we We
just can't even begin to list them. Can't begin to
list them. Um, there are some good consequences from them, there,

(01:23:09):
they really are. But but here here's where I am
on on this deal. One of the issues I think
we have with college scholarships is we try and make
something perfect which is imperfect. Have you ever heard me
say that before? These guys are nodding. Rama's was like,

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I'm so annoyed at you're saying that. But we do.
We've done it with instant replay. We've tried to make
something perfect that is imperfect, and and the more you try,
the less likely it's, the less good it's going to be.
It's the reason I don't I tell all my um

(01:23:50):
you know, all my friends. Hey, dude, like I have
a big nose. We're aware of this. Stop laughing. I
have a big I'm okay, I have a big nose.
I tell my kids all the time. Or my hairline
is not not great, it's not what it used to be.
But have you ever seen dudes that go and get
there that you know? And I don't know if some
of these guys have had it done and it looks

(01:24:11):
really good, but generally I haven't seen anybody who's had
the plug thing done, the bosley, the sewn in. You know.
I I don't like Brian or Lacker, Like he looked
good bald, then he tries to go get hair. It's like,
just doesn't look like Brian or Lacker. Doesn't you try
and perfect something that's imperfect, even if it's really really good,
You're like, wow, you know if we just you know,

(01:24:32):
for my hair, I have these big time power alleys
right well, I could go in and get you know,
the little get the hair transplanted and put in there,
and maybe it looks better. But why am I gonna
try and perfect perfect something that's imperfect. I'm in my
mid forties. I've been doing this long time. You know
what my face looks like. I don't need to fudge
it with my hair. What's the point? Does that change

(01:24:52):
at all what you think about what I say or
how I say? It shouldn't It doesn't. And by the way,
the more you and fix something, the worst sometimes it gets.
How that doesn't mean that's how we should view uh,
policing our people. I'm saying, we're just probably not ever
going to get to the place where it's perfect. Like

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I am. I willing to believe that every person deserves
the right to to a fair trial and to be
treated fairly and humanely even if they do something wrong. Absolutely, absolutely,
and for the most part and in many ways, we've
gotten much better. Um. I also understand police officers in

(01:25:35):
terms of you walk up to a car door and
Nancy roll Sirky rolled any window? You don't know, when
you ask somebody to get their license and registration? What
is this? I mean people. People have guns. They just
do more guns than people in the United States. You
know that it's gonna put you on edge. No amount

(01:25:57):
of training. Okay, and get into what happens to any
of us if all of a sudden gun is pointed
away or we think we see a gun, guys freak out. Now,
obviously that didn't happen in this particular case. And if
and the George Floyd, it's a tragedy, it's a tragedy. Um.

(01:26:19):
The George Floyd tragedy is an unarmed man who you
know at first was cooperating, then wasn't cooperating. But no
amount of cooperation the way which he deserves to be
sat on for eight and a half minutes, like come on,
and those all of those officers have now been charged,
all of them. But I didn't hear. I didn't hear

(01:26:43):
any support for the officers or the inhumane treatment of
anybody by Drew Brees. I heard Drew Brees say we
have problems and we all have to fix it together
with his right, Like we can't just simply go like,
oh hey, you go fix it and I'll sit here
and watch. Like that doesn't work. We all have to
work together. We're not going anywhere. Just so the left

(01:27:03):
knows the rights not going anywhere, just to the right
knows the left's not going anywhere. We are all in
this together together, and there continues to be more of us,
not less of us. That's the way it also works.
And people are and I think rightfully, becoming more politically active.
Let's see how politically active they are November three. You
want to break a real difference of often told people

(01:27:24):
go vote. Half the people are almost half the people
who are a voting age don't vote in presidential election years,
and even less vote and the non presidential elections. That's
when you can make the biggest difference. But we do
this thing where we get entrenched and where we believe,

(01:27:48):
and I think many people are on the right side
of history. And Drew Brees says, hey, look when I
see the flag, here's what I think of. That's what
that's what the protests and the flag is. And suddenly
he becomes the worst human being, tone deaf, unable to
understand because he's white, what like like none of that

(01:28:10):
was translated to me. Could he have been smarter and
more tactful, sure, but that might not have been sharing
what he's really thinking. This is what he's really thinking,
which is Hey, when I see it, I think of
my grandparents. When I see the American flag, I don't
think of the protest. I don't think of Colin Kaepernick.

(01:28:31):
When I see it, I think of anytime I've been overseas.
I come back and I see all glory and I
feel better. And many of you know this, like um
Music and Rama's Rama's hasn't flown in twenty years. Music
knows this because when you fly somewhere and you come
in and you're landing in l a X and Ryan

(01:28:55):
Music eventually is gonna get married and he's gonna go
to some remote, far away island for a honeymo and
it's gonna be incredible. It's gonna get married, give me
the woman he loves. They're gonna be in some and
it's gonna be awesome. But I would guarantee this feeling
when you start descending into into uh, the Los Angeles
Basin and you see houses upon houses upon houses for miles,

(01:29:18):
the Hollywood Signed Dodger Stadium, the New Sofi Stadium, the
Fabulous Forum, Staples Center, Downtown l A, the Beach, the ocean.
You're like home, right, And I have a bunch of
different homes. You know. I lived in Connecticut for twelve years.
I landed Jfker, I land at Hartford. I have that feeling.

(01:29:39):
When I land in Oklahoma City, I have that feeling.
And I land in Orange County like, there's nothing like
landing at the Duke seeing the bear California flag. That's
what I think of when I when I see Old Glory,
and I'm like, man, I got the location lottery. I
hit the location lottery because I passion for what I

(01:30:02):
do is rewarded, without any question. With the place in
which I live. I can't make a quarter, an eighth
a hundreds of the money that I make talking about
sports on radio and television any other place on Earth.
I'll like you am I, and I'm thankful for it.
I'm thankful for anybody who stood up for freedom. And

(01:30:23):
I'm honestly thankful that we live in a place where
these protests can occur, you know, And I have I
have empathy for people who are peacefully protesting who get
shot with these rubber bullets at night, but but not
sympathy because and it's not their fault, but you got
this looting, and they've said, hey, look, you can protest

(01:30:44):
during the day all you want. You start protesting at
night when we told you to be inside. This is
what's gonna happen. Not your fault, but we just gotta
clear the streets. But I mean, don't you aren't you
gonna look at glory? I like, I'm I think now
when I look at it, I'll be like, man, thank
god we live in a place where you can protest.

(01:31:06):
They're protesting right down the street from my house, right
down the street, and it's great my kids. It starts
a conversation with my children about it where I can say, listen,
what are they protesting. Well, they're protesting George Floyd's death. Yes,
but it's even more than that. It's the unfair treatment

(01:31:26):
of all people, especially people of color, by the police
for years. And people want to make make their voices heard.
They want change, and they're willing to sacrifice their day,
their time, their energy for it. It's a good conversation,
but a conversation and this is Look, this is important
for me when I'm conducting a radio interview, right like,

(01:31:47):
a conversation has to be back and forth. It's not
just one person's voice, or it's not just one voice.
So when someone asks Drew Brees opinion and he shares
his opinion on the flag, means sure, did it miss
the mark in terms of any sort of warmth or
feeling of understanding and empathy for what many of his

(01:32:10):
teammates feel like they've gone through. Yes, it does, but
he's allowed to feel that way, to think that way,
especially when sharing his own personal perspective. Does that make
sense music, Am I talking abut my rectum? No? I mean, look,
I think as what you've said about Drew Brees is

(01:32:34):
that if that's his opinion, we live in a country
where he's allowed to share that opinion and it was
not one that um holds others back from their right.
And so if you are in favor of supporting that,
then you're absolutely right in line with what you've said
about Drew Brees. Right and what are he's saying doesn't
have to be right right like in in opinion, it

(01:32:59):
doesn't have there's no like right and wrong. We do
this thing to where it's like you have people have
to think of feel like they're winning every argument or
there's a right, and then you have to go like,
you know what, your argument is better like that, Actually,
isn't the way it works that that? You know? He
was asked about potential for protests coming back. He shared

(01:33:19):
his opinion of the national anthem end of story. We
see the NBA getting ready to to get going, all right,
but what about Major League Baseball? Why can't Why are
they so far apart? We'll get to that up coming next.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

(01:33:40):
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Finally,
Lebron James speaking out on the interview done by Drew
Brees with Yahoo Finance. Lebron responding with the tweets saying, quote, Wow, man,
is it still surprising at this point? Sure? Isn't You
literally still don't understand why Cap was kneeling on one knee.
That's in the form of a question and has absolutely

(01:34:01):
nothing to do with the disrespect of our soldiers who
keep our land free. That from Lebron James also some
Saints wide receivers also speaking out on the topic as well. Doug,
back to you, Yeah, I think that's the thing he's
talking about from his own perspective, like Lebron. I I
understand what Lebron is saying, right, and I understand what

(01:34:24):
how it translates for Colin Kaepernick, And like this is
one Kaepernick doesn't doesn't get it on any sort of message.
It's everybody else taking what he said a long time
ago and we're using that but more than anything, like
Lebron is saying how he sees it, how he how
Kaepernick wants to see it, and Drew Brees is simply saying,

(01:34:46):
when I hear the national anthem, this is how I
feel like there's a complete disconnect there, which, well, I
go ahead, I think that there is a disconnect in
the question. And then Breeze's response because the response wasn't
anything about disrespect being the flag, and the response was
how would you feel if players started to kneel again?
Or how would the NFL act with this? And Breeses

(01:35:09):
took it upon himself to say that he first of all,
that he feels that it's disrespect when I think a
lot of what is happening now are people realizing that
it wasn't a sign of disrespect, maybe more so than
did three or four years ago. But Drew Brees still
looks at it as a sign of respect, taking his
own interest in talking about that first and foremost before anything.

(01:35:33):
So I think it is a sign of disrespect, but
I think it's intentional disrespect. Yes, we're disrespecting you, so
you pay attention to this problem. Well, yeah, protest isn't easy,
that's the other thing. And and and and it's it's nice
to try to make progress when it doesn't affect you.
But the real the real progress comes when when people
actually have to sacrifice. And I think that's what these
people are asking. You know, Drew Brees, if you're gonna

(01:35:55):
sacrifice maybe a sponsorship or or an endorsement, um, you know,
just for the sake of this, or is that more
important to you? Because I don't know who he's protecting.
Drew Breese also asked what one year left in the
National Football League? So, I mean, are his other interests
post football that he's saying this? I mean, I I
just took it. I didn't like his comments. I didn't

(01:36:15):
like the tone of it. I just I think that
they were they were off base. I don't think that
they were I thought they were very, very shortsighted. I
thought they were a bit selfish and and when you say,
like there's conversations of going of of having an opinion.
I get that in sports, like you may think Drew
Brees is two years left in the tank and I
think he's washed up. Okay, we agree to disagree, but

(01:36:37):
when it comes to something like this, it's very difficult
to be like, well, that's your opinion. Somebody out there
thinks that the Minneapolis cop had every right to do
what he did. I know that for a fact because
somebody called into my show on Sunday and said that,
And you're you're taking and you're taking with what you're
what some idiot calls in and says that the cop
out every right and putting that in Drew brees his

(01:36:57):
mouth and he never said that, No, he didn't, he didn't.
But I'm just using the point of the opinions of
right right now. Obviously there are opinions that are wrong. Um,
but when when you're asked your opinion on something I
don't know, I just I can't crush because and I
agree with you. You know, there's a lack of a

(01:37:17):
follow up. One of the things that that's really interesting
to me is I have a I have a good
friend who is is an executive in media, and he
tells me all that. He's told me several times. He's like, look, dude,
you're gonna be fine in tough times in this business
because you know not. You're obviously pretty good at what

(01:37:40):
you do. But you're also like, you're paying attention, you're listening,
you're understanding the fact that there wasn't a follow up
to ask, wait, so do you have a problem would
you would you think poorly of another player who kneels?
And oh yeah, by the way, what is your opinion
on the current protests? If you actually listen to the question,
there's a bunch loaded into it as well. But even

(01:38:01):
before right, it's not just a question, Well, we'll replay
a Dan want to continue this discussion. Let me welcome
to evanre like who who joins us? He covers Major
League Baseball for the Athletic Evan, we're trying to solve
all the world's problems. Can you just solve one for me?
When will baseball come back? Well? As of now, the

(01:38:21):
intent by the owners is to play a fifty games season,
and the big question is whether or not the players
would try to stop them, whether they would look at
this March agreement between the two sides and say you
can't unilaterally set a schedule. My reading, and I think
most people's reading is that they can. Um. So eventually

(01:38:44):
it still sounds like we're going to get baseball, but
just not on happy terms really for either side, but
maybe more so for the players. At this point. Um,
there are I mean again, there are people in our
world and the media they're like, hey, why don't the
owners just open their books? Like the flaw of that
is they can open the books and show last year

(01:39:06):
that has nothing to do with this year. Plus, no
major sport opens their books to their you know, opens
their books. And granted these are unforeseen times, right, but
nobody opens their books, do they? Uh not unless they
are compelled to by someone else, like an arbitrator or
or some sort of judicial body. The interesting thing would

(01:39:29):
be if the union did indeed pursue a grievance, which
they could. Either side could file a grievance against the other.
It would be a terrible process, It would take a
lot of time, and they would be incredibly contentious. But
if they did that, part of it might actually include
forcing the league to show more of the documents it

(01:39:50):
might it would be in the hands of an arbitrator
at that point, but no standard practices private businesses, which
Major League Baseball is m teams for the most part,
Arcs of the Braves being an exception, don't have to
show their books. Evandrel joins us on the Doug Gottlieb
Show on Fox Sports Radio covers Bajor League Baseball for
the athletic UM, when baseball comes back, what does it

(01:40:15):
look like? Well, presumably fifty five or so game somewhere
between fifteen sixty and the fifty range at this point.
One interesting thing is if the owners forced this through,
they're probably not getting the expanded playoffs because the players
would still need to sign off on that. The owners

(01:40:36):
can set the regular season, but you're probably looking at
the old playoff format for this year unless they come
to some sort of new agreement. Unless they can uh
stop complaining and actually get to the table and get
something done here, and then the other details have kind
of been out there, you'd have expanded rosters, maybe roughly
forty five or approaching fifty. All these health protocols, you

(01:41:00):
have schedule that East plays East West place West in
both leagues, UM, and probably d in both leagues, but uh,
those finer details aren't clear yet. Yeah, it's really interesting
on how we went from being very hopeful about eight
some odd games half a season two now all the

(01:41:22):
way down to like fifties sixty games, Like, wow, we
just lost a bunch of baseball. What's fascinating about it
is we should have you know, we should have great
baseball in such a short period of time. No. Yeah, Well,
the players look at what the league is doing and
and basically think the league is hijacking, um, the sport

(01:41:44):
at the moment, saying we're gonna take baseball away from
the players and the fans unless you give us what
we want, financial confessions that we say we need or
or else you're getting these fifty games. And you know
the other side has been saying you've been lying to
your membership. That's the accusation. The players certainly don't feel

(01:42:04):
lot to the case. Um, but look, some baseball is
better than no baseball, I think for most people. I
think that's I think that's fair to say. Yeah, I
would agree, Um, what do we do with the stats?
Like baseball has historically so much about the stats. I
think maybe that's why I'm so selfish. One eighty two games,
I'm like, well, we just double the stats and there

(01:42:25):
you go. It really works out easier. In my head,
what do we do with the stats for this year?
If that's If that's how it plays out, and in
a silver lining, I actually think it'll be a fun
talking point for for years to come. Like if you
get a guy hits three nine or somebody who probably
approaching four hundred even in eighty two games is difficult.

(01:42:46):
Fifty games, maybe you know, you could have some some
interesting anomalies this year. And you're also going to give
a chance to teams that probably an hundred and sixty
two wouldn't have a chance. And anybody can get hot
for a couple months that's not that hard. I'm one
hot start might put you in the playoffs. So it'll
be a weird year and it will be something people

(01:43:08):
talk about in the future. Um. The problem is, you know,
guys like Mike Trout and people with Hall of same
careers whatever it is, they're losing games where they could
have compiled STAPs. Yeah, um, losing games and losing money.
And then here's the here's the bigger question. This year

(01:43:30):
is gonna be a mess. They're gonna have fewer games,
They're gonna make less money. What about the financial ramifications
in the future. You know, for years we have heard
you know, at some point there'll be an adjustment with
the players out and I know there's no middle class
now right like, but you still have the top the
Trout contract, the Bryce Harper contract, some of the other contracts.

(01:43:50):
Mookie Bets is going to be a free agent whenever
one more year is played. What does it look like
for the top earners in the in the near future.
Historically there's always been an owner or multiple owners who
in a winter, given any given winter, are willing to
splurge for the big name. And it's a fair question

(01:44:11):
coming out of this, with revenues down and teams taking
on more debt, could this be the winter where a
guy like that is sitting out there or just get
that big offer? You know, four million is probably what
we're shooting for. Um, does it mean that you might
not even see a three hundred million dollar offer? The
flip side is that coming out of this, you you'd want,

(01:44:34):
if you're an owner potentially to invest in your product.
You want to get people back for what you hope
is a full season one. You want to replace those
lost revenues by adding excitement. You add a star player
like Mookie Betts, maybe you can more quickly make back
some of your money. Um. So it's to be seen.
And whether they play fifty or eighty two or somewhere

(01:44:56):
in between is going to impact that. It will impact
how much money these guys do or don't make this year,
these guys being the owners. Yeah, I think there's another
kind of interesting. I wonder how much we're gonna see
starting starting pitchers pitch. But I do wonder what it
does to the pitcher's arms if they have this substantial

(01:45:17):
amount of time not only off, but then a shortened season.
Right like sho Hey Otani, he'll get to pitch some
this year then be back at full strength. I mean,
does this reinvigorate at Clayton Kershaw essentially having half a
season off, Like, I'm actually kind of fascinated at what
it does to some of these players careers. You know,
I was in Boston when Julian Edelman got h spending

(01:45:40):
and you know, it was always as it's a silver lining.
You know, you lose the guy for four games when
it comes back fresh. Um, you can make that argument
here that maybe on a physical level, some guys will benefit,
and I'm sure we will get a story of the
guy who just really needed those extra you know, four
months to heal his body up, even though we probably
said when he arrived at spring training, oh, I'm good

(01:46:02):
to go and everything's doing great. Yeah, there's potential through that,
but that's that's a silver line reading. There's no question
Doug Otlib show here on Fox Sports Radio, Evan joining us. Um. Okay,
the other question I have is is there a contingency
plan for fans to be in the stands right like,

(01:46:22):
because we're all operating as if there's going to be
a second wave but many but what we have learned
is like the first wave doesn't appear to be as
bad as feared. Yeah, I think we'll know here in
a couple of weeks. All these protests, you had social
distancing kind of going out the window, even though most
people are wearing masks. So if there is any sort
of summer wave, like, do you believe there's a plan

(01:46:44):
where hey, we're not going to talk about it out loud,
but there's a chance we get fans in the stands,
at least for the playoffs. It's one of the things
that some agents are leary of in this negotiation where
the owners are asking them to take a pay cut
based on the idea that there are no fans end
or what if they're do end up being fans. I
still think the most likely scenario is that if there

(01:47:06):
are fans, it will be in small numbers. But ownership
people have talked about the possibility of come August capacity,
maybe you get up to whatever number you can imagine,
So it's always been considered as something that could happen.

(01:47:27):
It's probably probably not enough to really impact the money,
you know, unless you're getting close to full capacity or
normal capacity. It's still is framing the discussion as a reduction.
It's going to vary. Market to market you're gonna have.
You could see a day where Milwaukee they can let
in fift but in l A or New York ten

(01:47:50):
or none. So there are all sorts of market to
market contingency plans going on. Yeah, it's gonna be really
really interesting. Hey man, I haven't thanks so much for
joining us. Look forward to reading your work and figure
out when we get baseball back in the meantime, keep
us updated. We'll keep reading in The Athletic. Evan drel
Like who does a really good job covering MLB for
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(01:48:11):
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(01:48:53):
Dan Bayer, he's been excellent, fired up today. We've had
his co host on his Sunday showing from Salam with us.
It's been a good day for Dan. By what do
the NBA could be officially back. We'll find out tomorrow
and Board of Governor's vote on a plan that would
bring twenty two teams back to resume the NBA season
on July thirty one in Orlando. Thirteen teams in the West,

(01:49:15):
nine in the East. That's really good news for the
Washington Wizards, who would be a part of the conversation.
They play eight regular season games with the playoffs to follow,
plus a possible eight nine playing game if the or games.
If the ninth seed is within four games of the
eighth seed at the end of the regular season, Hey,

(01:49:35):
the ninth seed right now in the West is how
many games away? Is three and a half? Right? Just
happens to be, right. It's kind of interesting, providing motivation
for Damian Lillard as he gets says Zach Collins, likely
back as well. The Wizards are five and a half
back of the Magic in the UH for the eighth
spot in the Eastern Conference. But again there's a situation

(01:49:57):
where the Wizards have played one fewer game team than Orlando.
So I mean, if they, you know, finish in it
within four and a half games, I don't know what
the you know, what the NBA is going to do.
Maybe they'll figure out a way to make it more even,
but it seems like I want to see if I know,

(01:50:17):
Kevin Durant said he's not coming back, and right now,
we don't think carry every's coming back. They're really gonna
wait till January to play. Yeah, I mean I thought
it was surprising too, because Doug I always took the
to hear Lloyd Pierce of the Hawks saying like they
wanted in because they felt they had a young team
and could use that sort of experience. Well that's what
I thought. I'm like, why would you want Trey Young
to play in those, you know, meaningless games? But maybe

(01:50:41):
maybe it was just you know, company line. But yeah,
that could be it. But there could be an eight
nine playoffs, something that has been talked about previously. Major
League Baseball owners and you just spoke with uh. The
last segment rejected the union's proposal of a fourteen games schedule.
Now have no plan to offer a counter proposal. We
we will get we will get baseball back. It's just

(01:51:03):
baseball takes forever to figure it out. Yeah, I mean,
there's just and and so much of this about when
they're when they're CB a expires, you know, more so
than just even this year. It's everybody trying to, you know,
dig in for the next fight, which could be a
long one as well. You want to hear the full
exchange with Drew Brees and Yahoo Finance. All right here

(01:51:24):
it is. Everyone is looking back now at Kaepernick's protests
for a few years ago, and obviously they were always
about police brutality. And now it's coming back to the
four and a lot of people expect that we will
see players kneeling again even when the NFL season starts.
I'm curious, how do you think the NFL will and
should respond to that? And of course you're such a
leader in the league, what is your responsibility as a

(01:51:44):
leader in times like this for the rest of your
teammates and players in the league. I will never agree
with anybody, um, disrespecting the flag of the United States
of America or our country. UM. Let me let me
just tell you what I see or what I feel
when the national anthem is played, and when I look
at the flag of the United States, I envisioned my

(01:52:07):
two grandfathers who fought for this country during World War Two,
one in the army and one of the Marine Corps,
both risking their lives to protect our country and to
try to make our country and this world a better place.
So every time I stand with my hand over my
heart looking at that flag and singing the national anthem,

(01:52:29):
that's what I think about, And in many cases it
brings me to tears thinking about all that has been sacrificed,
not just those in the military, but for that matter,
those throughout the civil rights movements of the sixties and
everyone and all that has been endured by so many
people up until this point. And is everything right with

(01:52:49):
our country right now? No, it's not. We still have
a long way to go. But I think what you
do by standing there and showing respect to the flag
with your hand over your heart, is it shows unity,
shows that we are all in this together, we can
all do better, and then we are all part of
the solution. When you hear him talk about the sixties
and the civil rights movement, does do you still feel

(01:53:10):
like he misspoke and he shouldn't have said what he
said the way he said it. Um, I just I
think I have the disconnect, like I feel, I like
I feel that part of it, But I just don't
think that it's connected to the flag here, and he
just immediately said, you know, disrespecting the flag. You had

(01:53:31):
a buddy that said texted into you that said, why
don't they kneel after the national anthem or before it
or or to some extent they actually did that during
the protests, and players still got booed just because they
were taking the knee. And I think that's where a
lot of this is from, and that's where the Kaepernick
stuff is from, is it's it's not about the flag.

(01:53:52):
Aaron Rodgers has even just made an Instagram post in
response saying it was never about the flag of when
they would lock arms on the sidelines, And I think
that's where the disconnect that I had was. He was
asked about the NFL and Breeze immediately said, I will
never stand for anybody disrespecting the flag. And that's where
I think the problem becomes is he thinks it's disrespectful,

(01:54:15):
and that is never meant to be the case. I
think it's disrespectful. I don't like the idea that I
will never stand for it. That's like, well, what are
you gonna You're gonna go and fight your team? And
if he kneels like, what do you like right, Like
I don't. That's where I would. I do think it's disrespectful,
but I think there's intend to do that because you're
trying to bring attention to a problem, Like, yeah, we're

(01:54:36):
being disrespectful because we're being treated disrespectfully by a country
that that that we're told this doesn't exist, and yet
we feel like it does exist. Like that's how the
conversation I think should go instead of everybody running from
the flag thingle and it's not about the flag. It's
not about that. Yes, it is very much about the flag,
and the flag represents different things to different people. And

(01:54:56):
that's why I believe I agree with you. That's why
I believe Breeze has that right to say what he says. Um,
I think it generates a good conversation. I think all
this stuff is healthy. I don't agree with the shutting down.
He's just an eighties tone deap. He doesn't know what
he doesn't know, Like, okay, so if the opinion does
not completely agree with yours, the the miss to me

(01:55:18):
is all he had to do was add in to
the civil rights movement, the idea of or even the
protesters today. If he said that I think you'd be
fine it out there and pressed that was the press.
I'll be hosting The Herd tomorrow, I would I would
guess by are you hosting the show? Yes? And Chris

(01:55:38):
Plank will be in playing Tulsa's own Chris Plank. Great guy,
very talented, not as talent as you, Dan. Check out
All Ball Dropping tomorrow. Tjsh Banzada wait to you hear
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