June 16, 2020 • 38 mins
Doug Gottlieb weighs in on Mike Gundy’s t-shirt controversy and speaks with Super Bowl champion Cliff Avril about the possibility of Colin Kaepernick returning to the NFL! Doug shares his foolproof plan that would get the 2020 MLB season underway.
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Yesterday there was a controversy of sorts, and it's one
of those how long will this last? How will it end?
Some in in my position in the media called for
my Gundy to be fired because my Gundy was, uh,
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he went fishing with his boys in Lake tex Soma.
Lake Texonma is exactly what you think it is, right.
Lake tex Soma is a lake that borders Texas and Oklahoma.
I believe right. It's it's down in the south part
of the South and southern part of the state. There's
all these beautiful fish laid out and you're like, wait
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a second, hold on, what what is Gundy wearing an
O A N shirt? Oh A N shirt? Now? Um.
For the record, my Gundhy had talked about oh a
N in the past. That is UH one America News Network,
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Your Nation, Your news right. It's a far right cable
channel founded by a guy named Robert Herring Sr. Owned
by Herring Networks. It was launched apparently seven years ago,
and um, they basically take far right politics. So Gundy
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is wearing an O A N shirt. He has a
star running back and again I know so much of
this because one, it's my job, in two it's my
mama her But Cuba Hubbard, who is the star running
back for Oklahoma State, who is Canadian, he's a stud.
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I mean, he's a home run hitting back. He saw it,
he tweeted out. I will not stand for this. This
is completely insensitive to everything going on society and it's unacceptable.
I will not be doing anything with Oklahoma State until
things change. Keep in mind that Cuba Hubbard had a
chance to go to the draft second probably a third
round draft pick. Instead chose to return to Oklahoma State
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where they're gonna build a Heisman campaign around him again
and an offense around him, and they may be the
preseason favorites to win the Big Twelve. Then all of
a sudden, the president of Oklahoma State released the statement
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the athletic director all pointing to Mike Gundhi as as
erroring in terms of of wearing a T shirt. Then
there was a post four hours four hours in between
the original post, which was just supposed to be, Hey,
look at all the fish we caught while wearing an
O A N shirt. And you had Chubba Hubbard and
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Mike Gundy together in what looked a little bit it
just looked a little stiff it. There was there was
a little bit of uh, you've ever heard like a
hostage video? Here it is we We took this from
from Twitter in line of today's tweet with the T
shirt I was wearing. I met with some players and
realize it's a very sensitive issue with what's going on
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in today's society. And so we had a great meeting
and made it wear some things that players feel like
that can make our organization or culture even better than
it is here at Oakholm State. And I'm looking forward
to making some changes. And it starts at the top
with me, and we got good days in in I'll
start off by the first saying that I went in wrong.
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I went about it the wrong way by tweeting I'm
not something that you know has to tweet something to
break of change. I should have went to him as
a man, and I'm a I'm more about action. So
that was bad on my part. But from now on,
we're going to focus on really change and that's the
most important thing. They shake hands at the end. Now
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there have been and this is what happens on social media.
My gun is the worst because he's wearing an a
A enshirt and then they forced Shi A. Hubbard to
what they feel like is apologize, but we have this
is here's the issue. Okay, here's the issue. There's a
good portion of people in this country who are screaming
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out to be heard. And a good part of what
they want to be heard is they feel like they're
they're being made to I at a minimum, to be
to feel like, um, the police are after them, oh
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and be they're being treated unfairly by not just the police,
society the system at large. And what they are screaming for,
and rightfully so, is to be heard, hey man, to
be heard. And obviously this is between the right and
the left. Right and Black Lives Matter is to the left,
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and and somehow there's a positioning to the right, And
now this is leaked into sports where Mike Gundhi wears
a T shirt of a far right news organization and
Cuba Hubbard sees it and is personally offended by it. Now,
what Cuba apologized for? What do you apologize for? Was
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tweeting at his head coach instead of picking up the
phone and calling or texting his head coach. Now, part
of it is what I've been told is that Myke Gundhi,
as much as he's accessible to me as a media
member and as a lum, there's similar accessibility to his players.
In other words, you kind of got to go through
layers to get to him. So it actually is Gundi's
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fault that he was that that. You know, look, normally
should be able to wear a T shirt of a
far right news organization affiliation, especially when you're in the
state of Oklahoma and that's what you believe in. But
there's a lack of understanding the time, the place, and
how it's perceived as well as when you see it
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on social media. Your best players should be able to
text you, coach, what's the deal with the T shirt
you're wearing. So I get that Cuba didn't really He
didn't apologize for what he said. He apologized for voicing
his disapproval on social media. That's not the way that
quality organizations are run. We had the same thing at Fox.
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By the way, we're allowed to disagree with each other.
But you know what they don't want you to do.
Don't do it on social media where there's a back
and forth and people see the back and forth. You
got it? Something wrong with something somebody says, get their number,
text them, call um. You know, seeing man and man
man and woman doesn't matter. We're fine. That's how it's
all organizations should be like this. Now, I tweeted out
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what I was told within the university that the player
demands were. There's no limitations on earrings, on do rags
and wave caps, ability to sag pants, hair, music that
you can that you can have free of whatever sort
of language that you want to have. Y And basically
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what the players are fighting for is, look, if Mike
Gundy wants to wear a shirt that gives him freedom
of speech, well then we want to give our freedom
have our freedom of expression returned to us within the program. Now,
I'm not some stick in the mud, old school super
conservative that says everybody has to have a buzzed haircut.
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On the other hand, there is something about training men
to be men in the workforce, telling them, hey, listen,
I'm not gonna tell you. I don't care if you
wear If you wear your pants halfway down your butt,
if that's comfortable, that's and stuff. I don't care how
many earrings you wear. I don't care about your hair.
I don't care about your do rag. I don't But
I will tell you that there are perceptions fair unfair
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by people in the workplace in terms of hiring you. Now,
what the black community is trying to tell you, and
what the new you know and and and the younger
generation is trying to tell you, is that those perceptions
are unfair. But in an effort to be heard, you
also have to listen. That's the biggest challenge for all
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of us, all of us. Look, I I despise some
of the politics on both sides, but on on O
A N. But I can tell you that there are
parts from it that if you're a conservative Christian that
you gravitate towards right, the conservative Christian that you gravitate
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towards And there are parts of the left who are
conservative Christians that are sitting there and they're torn because
there are beliefs that they have socially that they believe in.
They all people should be treated I mean, we should
all this. It shouldn't be only political right. People should
be treated equally. But there are parts to everyone's agenda
that you don't like. I guarantee there's a part of
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the agenda that you don't like, whether it's uh LGBT,
LGBT rights or Black Lives Matter that you're sitting there,
if you're somewhere in the middle as I am, and
you're like, man, I don't really agree with that. But
if the overwhelming thought is, hey, all people should be
treated equal under the law, and no American citizen or
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even foreign citizens should be made to fear the police
if they're doing nothing wrong, and if they are pulled over,
they're treated the same, regardless of color, age, race, whatever.
I think these are all reasonable thoughts. I am here
to listen to you, but I would also tell you
that you have to listen to me as somebody who
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I don't own a gun. I don't believe. I don't
believe that the Second Amendment allows you to have some
of these firearms. Okay, but I would also tell you
that police officers know people do have guns, and it
puts everybody on edge and it changes things. What Chuba
Hubbard learned, what myke Gundhi learned. My Gundhi learned that
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a T shirt and a political leaning means something different
now because of how politics has divided us, how TV
has divided us, how sports and politics somehow have become intertwined,
and it's become very very divisive, even on subjects in
which we're actually completely united. And I think what my
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Gundy was schooled on a little bit of is, hey, listen,
if you want the freedom of expression of wearing a
T shirt that you want, players are gonna want freedom
of expression with how they dress and how they purport themselves.
That's what I think Oklahoma State's football players are fighting for,
not because they want to sag their pants or they
want to have, you know, they want to have, you know,
fifteen piercings. They just want to have the ability to
have fifty. If you want to have have anymeror you have
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any emirassings, you can't on one hand say I want
my you know, I want my rights, my Gundhi and
you can't grant us our rights. I think it's a
reasonable conversation. But that's a conversation. The conversation is not
this is what I think. You're wrong. If you don't
agree with me, you're a racist. On the other side,
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this is a conversation. If you don't agree with me,
you're trying to completely burn down the system. Like no, there,
This entire exercise is a great social studies lesson, and
the lesson is this freedom is hard. Freedom is hard
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because if you granted to all citizens, it means all
citizens from different perspectives and different backgrounds, and they're gonna
look at the exact same thing and see something different.
And while you do not have to accept it, what
you have to do is listen if you want to
be heard. That works for both sides. So at the
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end of the day, do I think that Mike Gundhy
is gonna lose his job, No, lose his program? No,
I think everyone especially and still what are going a
great civics lesson on the First Amendment, And there'll be
somebody else who steps in it, says or does something
that lacks empathy or understanding of the time and the
place within the next eight hours, and this will go away.
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But what won't go away is until we under stand
we have to be able to hear the other side
out within reason, right within reason, Because I don't actually
think you have to hear the KKK out how they're
not a how they're not a uh was a terrorist organization?
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I don't know that needs to be changed immediately. Like
hate speech, I have no place for period. Ever, if
you don't immediately denounce racism, there's something wrong with you.
Like this is not that hard to do. That's something
we can all agree. But the rest it's a conversation,
and a conversation goes like this, I talk, you listen,
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and you talk. I listen, I talk, you listen. But
that's not what happens right now. I yell, you yell,
I yell you yell. We both go our separate ways.
That guy is an idiot, that guy won't listen to me,
and I actually think that Oklahoma Stay seemed to kind
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of listen to each other. Are they going to agree? No,
But there are some meeting in the middle, there is
some growth, and there has to be a mutual understanding
of hearing that there are people that see some of
these exact same topics from a very different perspective. Be
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio, a app Doug
Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio. Talented radio guy after being
a super talented football player in a a Super Bowl champion.
His he is Cliff April. He's kind of have to
spend some time with us year on The Doug Gotlip
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Show on Fox Sports Radio. Cliff, first thing, how are
you healthy? Every everybod everybody around you healthy? Everybody good? Yes, No,
everybody's well. Everybody is, you know, kind of hunkered down here,
you know, in Seattle the COVID situation. We've been in
the house for three or four months now, so yeah,
we're just staying out the way. It has been our
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model these last three months. Um, what's it like with um?
What is it called that Capitol Hill area where there
there are no police just people sitting in Like from
your perspective as somebody who has made Seattle your home,
what are your thoughts on what's going on in Capitol
Hill in Seattle? You know what I haven't gone down
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there anything like that. I'm kind of and and I
hate doing this, but I'm kind of just listening to
what the media is kind of saying about it because
I had, Like I said, we haven't really been moving
around much around here. But from the sounds of it,
you know, they they've kind of given them about four
a few blocks where you know people, yeah, where people
can kind of protest and and a lot of people
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are are just down there, you know, doing a wide
range of different things, to be honest with you, but
I don't think it's anywhere near as crazy as say
the national media is making it. Um. You know, it's
it's a lot of peaceful stuff going on. But also
you know, there's vendors out there selling things and different
things like that, so um, you know, it's it's it's
an interesting way of going about it. Again, I don't
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know enough about it to to to die deep into it,
but from people that I know have gone down there
and different things like that, then these are some of
the different things that they've been telling me. What what
is it like to from your experience? Okay, what's it like?
Share with me or and share with us if you could.
You know, I don't know the black athlete experience, right,
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And your guy from Florida draft, you know you go
to uh you know, you drafted in the third round,
You go to Detroit, you go to Seattle. These experiences
that are being shared by some. Is that what it
was like for you or is this something you're learning about?
What's it? What? What? What is your experience of being
a star athlete in America been life? You know what? Honestly,
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it doesn't matter, um other than the city that you played.
You gotta remember, we're football players, so nobody really red
cognizes what we look like unless you're you know, Russell
Wilson or a quarterback of some sort, right. Um. So,
So I have been in spaces, honestly where police officers
pulled up pulled out guns on me. I have been
in areas where I was with Michael Bennett when the
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whole situation happened in Vegas. So I've seen a wide
range of different stuff. When it comes down to some
of the police brutality stuff that people are posting left
and right, like, I've been a part of some of that. Now.
With that being said, also my security guy, as a
police officers a white guy as well. Right, So, um,
you know, I have faith in some of them. But
as a black athlete, honestly, you are you are still
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a black man in America. You still are dealing with
a lot of the same stuff. I've had reporters. You know,
I was one of the people, myself, Michael been at
Frank Clark. We were some of the people that were
you know, protesting, whether that be sitting there taking a knee,
you know, before the national anthem during you know, a
few years back, or whatnot. And I've had people, you know,
come out and any different things to me about it.
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But it's only because I've experienced it, right, I'm not
going through somebody else's lens. I've experienced some of these
different things, even though I'm a professional athlete, even though
you know, some people might consider me a celebrity or
whatever the case may be. Like, these are things that
I have actually dealt with. And that's why so many
people are in up in arms because it doesn't really
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matter what you do or where you're at. Everything's kind
of based off from skin color. Unfortunately, Um clip April
joining us in the Doug Out Lip Show on Fox
Sports Radio, you were there and Colin Kaepernick that only
had taken a knee but also after he got cut
by the Niners. UM that following off season, the only
team he visited was the Seahawks. UM, what what's what's
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your perspective on the real reason they didn't sign him? Well,
I was on the team UM at that time, and
you know, we hear about you know, Capp is coming in,
they might sign them, all these different things. I think,
deep down inside, honestly, coach care of being who he is,
right because you you look at one of the more
teams that were more vocal during those period of time,
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The Seahawks were definitely one of those teams and coach
Carroll Paul aland they didn't necessarily have an issue with
that because they were actually listening to the message. You
look at you think about coach Carroll, Heck, he was
in South Central you know, when he was an s
C and all that stuff, so he understands a lot
of that stuff. Um. But when they brought Cap in,
I think he really wanted to see, you know what
that what that would look like. I think the issue becomes, uh,
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it becomes an issue when the second string quarterback is
getting way more attention than your first string quarterback, because
cap does come with all that, right, whoever he signs with,
if he is a backup, he will get a lot
of the attention. But not only that the first string quarterback,
the starting quarterback, he's gonna have to talk about the
second string quarterback and all this stuff that he's dealing
with as well. Right, So I think it becomes an
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issue for that position. You know, the quarterback position is
one of the few positions and is the only position
actually in football where they don't want to bring too
much a tension or competition, should I say, into camp
and different things like that. And I think this would
have played a role in in just the mindset for
the quarterback and him having to answer more questions about,
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you know, the backup instead of the game planner himself.
And I think that probably played a bigger role than anything,
right I. I it's it's interesting, right because there's a
there's a reality to it that that for whatever reason,
really and I think Cam runs into that some now,
right for a different reason. But but but your previous
success and your stardom can actually work against you when
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you're a backup quarterback, right because Russell doesn't want that.
The organization doesn't like you have to have one voice,
one leader. The job of the backup is to get
to start, be ready yourself with limited reps, but also
get the starter ready and support the starter, and that
gets thrown kind of all all out of out of whack.
Um go ahead, Well, well, I would I would say,
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I would say, I don't. I don't know if it's
necessarily just the starting piece sort of just being a
starter in the NFL, because there's a lot I mean,
there's a few guys that have gone from starting to
backup role. I think he's just a little bit more
different with Cap because of everything that comes with CAP. Right,
you talk about the Neil and you talk about you know,
just the media wanting to be in his face all
the time. Like, I think that's a little bit more
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different than say, uh, you know a veteran player that
is kind of you know, just hanging on and different
things like that that has been I don't I don't mean,
I don't mean Cliff, I don't mean like hanging out. Okay,
Like like, okay, so Cam Newton, whichever team you think
should sign Cam Newton, if you have a if you
signed to be a backup, the starter has to be
so solid because you know the second heat founders like
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we got Cam Newton as as the backup and and
the real the reality is guys not only their confidence
but their teammates confidence have to be in the start.
You have to have the right guy the right at you,
and so really like we're as you know, look, Folds
is not as as I don't think he's as good
as Cam. He's had some great games, but full ha
shown the ability to handle. I can be a backup,
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I can be a starter, I can be whatever you want,
and I can I can be ready. Whereas it's a
it's a major switch. And if it was a Cam Newton,
if it was a Colin Kaepernick, there is again for
different reasons, going to be a big media presence on them,
even though they're not technically the ones you're gonna play. No,
I mean, I see where you're coming from from that
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perspective for sure. Right you know, someone like Cam who
just came just a few years ago talking about m
v P and in Super Bowl runs and different things
like that. So yeah, I can definitely see that, Um,
I think, But but it's so interesting because the quarterback
position is the only position they care about like that
everybody else you have to be on your p's and
queues at all times, you know, every single year I
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was in the league coming off Pro Bowls, whatever the case,
maybe they drafted the decausive lineman at my position, right
and they do not do that with the quarterback position.
So UM, I say that to say, you know, Cam
should get a job. I I don't care who he's
backing up. He should get a job. And I think
Cap should get an opportunity to get a job. I
just know cap situation is gonna be a little bit
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different from Camp just because of the actual you know,
stuff that comes with either more of those players. Yeah, no,
I I I absolutely agree with you. It's they're unique, um,
and it'll it will be interesting. Cliff April joining us
Strouper Bowl Champion, Pro Bowl Defensive Ends Radio and Seattle.
He joins us on the Doug Otlip Show here on
Fox Sport Trade. You can follow him at Cliff April. Um.
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How how difficult will this season be without O T
s and without the ability to this point to meet
in person with teammates and coaches, you know, in the facility.
All it's gonna be, it's gonna be it's gonna be hard.
But it's gonna be hard on the younger players right there,
the guys that just got drafted, some of these free agents,
even heck, some of these seconds or players. And the
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reason I say that is because the off season is
where you develop, right. The off season is where you
get the playbook. You're able to work on, you know
your craft a little bit, because when the season rolls around,
all that stuff goes out the window. It's game plan,
it's it's no your plays, it's adjustments and different things
like that. So for for younger players, I think it's
just harder because they don't know what to expect. Right,
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these guys get drafted and they haven't been to the facility.
They've been doing zoom calls and whatnot. They sink there
in shape. They might be in college shape, but they're
definitely not in NFL shape, and they don't know what
that looks like. I think that's where it becomes hard. Also,
the learning curve. Yes, you're being you're able to do zoom,
but some guys learned better when they when after the
coach puts it on the board, they go practice it, right,
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some guys learn better uh doing different things. So going
through that process, I think it just hurts the younger
players and it's unfortunate. And also the injury aspect of things.
I was a part of the lockout. I was I
was there, um, you know, and and injuries was a
big thing because guys just didn't know how to train. Um,
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whether that be younger players or not, but just not
getting the football reps. He's a big role in that.
So there's there. The team that handles it the best
is going to be the team that's standing uh strong
towards the end of the season. Doug otlip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. UM, it's it's fascinating to watch
to watch Russell because when when you first got to Seattle,
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it was still leadion a boom. It was about the
defense and his job, for the most part was to
not lose the game. Now the defense tries to keep
in the game and then it's Russell's job to to
win it to win it late. Right. Is that that's
a fair perspective on what kind of because I every
Seattle game I watch feels like that Niner game at
the end of the season right where Russell's got the ball,
He's running around trying to make a play and either
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win or losing. It's like a one score Every game
feels that way, no, no doubt. Now it has shifted,
you know, because people always asking, you know, oh, how
was Russ. You know during that that that run that
you guys had when you were defense, you had a
great defense. It's like, well Russ. Honestly, one people have
to remember that was only year two through you know,
five for Russell, So he was still a young quarterback
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and it was actually a great space for him to
be in comparison to say, some of these other quarterbacks
that have to come in right now and be the
leader of these teams. Right, he didn't necessarily have to
be that. He can watch and observe and see how
the defensive side of the things do things, how Mars
Shawn and those guys kind of do things and understand
the game a little bit more. But now as you
look at it, all of it is coming to fruition,
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all of it's growing now. Right. So now he's comfortable
being that man and he will make plays. He he
is relentless when it comes down to just his attitude
towards being able to win games. All he needs to
do this to do is just hold up enough for
him to be able to go out there and make plays.
And it's been great to watch the maturation of Russell
Wilson over these last seven or eight years for me
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because again, you know, when I first got here to
s Seattle, he didn't have to say much. He was
kind to keep it to himself, just trying to figure
out the game. Now you walk into the locker room,
he is the man. He everybody's looking up to Russell
Wilson to lead that to and he's been doing a
heck of a job doing it the last couple of years. Yeah,
he absolutely has. Do you think Garoppolo has it? And
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by it, I mean look, you know you, we you
and I know what what it is. Right Like I
watched it. I watched the Emmanuel Sanders throw. I'm like,
oh oh, and I watched some of those throws in
the second half of the Super like oh. Like, lots
of guys can run an offense and can win games
when you got the better team, you got a great scheme,
got a great coach, But it's that competitive greatness like
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can you be great when greatness is called upon, and
I just I don't know. You see the game at
a so much higher football like you level than I
could ever hope to do. You think Garoppolo has it?
I think he has the potential to have it, right,
because there's one thing that that a lot of people
don't don't don't pay attention to. There's a growth factor.
Garoppolo hasn't necessarily played that much football. I mean he has,
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He's been a backup. Then they give him all this money,
then he gets hurt. You know. I think he played
with that last five games one year and went on
a five and run or seven and over run, whatever
it was, and everybody kind of got hyped. Everybody kind
of got hyped up behind him, right. But he hasn't
played enough football for us to say he is great.
He hasn't played enough football honestly to get that big
deal he got either. But you know that's just the
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quarterback market. Um. I would say, I have seen him
make some great throws. I've seen him, you know, make
some things happen where where he had to kind of
rally the team, but and and and make some get
some wins. Right. So that's the start to it, because
a lot of quarterbacks can't even do that much. But
he hasn't played enough football to the point where I
feel like he's an elite quarterback or or even though
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the team went to the Super Bowl, I don't. To me,
he hasn't done enough yet to say he's elite. But
he has shown glimpses that he can be that guy
at some point. He just isn't there yet. Cliff, great stuff, man.
Glad you're healthy and uh and safe and can't wait
until we actually have football back on TV. In the meantime,
stay safe, stay healthy, and appreciate you join us. Thank
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you for having me as always appreciate you. That's Cliff,
A great player. Good dude, good broadcast. You're kind of
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So here we are June two thousand twenty and uh,
you know, based upon the year, you can pick out
what would have been being played would have been played.
NBA finals have been taking place right now, right, but
we have no NBA finals. We have no NBA finals.
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We haven't had any o t s. But maybe most interestingly,
we haven't had any baseball. And if you watch other
sports networks, you know that in Korea they've been playing
baseball for a while now, right baseball. It it felt
like I had a pretty good sort of planner. I
would do three sort of regional sites. Maybe maybe we'll
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do homesites. We'll figure that out. But regional teams, no fans, players,
pictures spaced out like it'll all work like in baseball,
with exception of everybody touched on the same same ball.
And oh yeah, by the way, they get rid of
a ball most every pitch, right, I mean, obviously that
could change because fewer balls are being thrown to fans
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in the stands. But with the exception of passing around
Germans via a baseball, that's the exception. Everybody is kind
of spaced out, all right. You don't have to sit
next to anybody, you don't have to dap anybody up.
You can even do that COVID dap thing with your elbow,
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can't you? So what was the issue with baseball? It's
about money. It's not about safety. The safety concerns were
brought up, but by everyone's account that like, look, let's
get back to playing baseball. The owners want to play,
but the owner's issue is, hey, every time we have
a game, every single time we have a game with
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no fans, we lose money. And we're willing to lose
some money, but we're not willing to lose as much
money as the union wants us to. That's just not
smart business. Okay, unless you will take a pay cut.
The players, well, their union said we got a deal,
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even though the fine print of the deal means that
they actually don't have a deal right now. So we
could go. Rob Banford said baseball is coming back. Last night,
he was on the Return of Sports Special over on
ESPM with my Greenberg, and he had this to say,
I'm not confident. I think there's real risk. As long
as there's no dialogue, that real risk is going to continue. Okay,
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huh wait a second. Not confident? How did you go?
Non confident? Um? I have a plan, I have a solution.
We can work it out this very very moment Okay,
we're gonna this very moment now with that planned solution,
will be working together. I'll give it to you in
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a second. I believe that Rob Manfred knows in his
back pocket is the fifty game schedule that he can say,
we're gonna go, We're gonna we're gonna go, We're gonna
do it. And even the players Union knows that in
the collective bar in agreement, the commissioner has the ability
to do something in the best interest of baseball that
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will be done. And the issue is he doesn't want
to do it now. He he doesn't want to use
that power. It is the nuclear option. It is the
because I said so argument, and though it's right, it's
not one that he wants to use. So we're still
a couple of weeks away from him using that. Can
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I give you a viable solution that works right now?
Gascon can I can I? Can I pitch you on something? Ramos?
Can I pitch you guys on some course? Okay, So
there's a here's the difference. The players want. Hey man,
we took a pay cut and the owners said, I
know you took a pay cup, but that was with
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fans in the stands, we need you to take an
additional pay cup. Right, here's what the union should do.
We will take hey, we'll take it. But what you're
gonna do is you're gonna take that and added on
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to next to next year, or to the next three
years or two whenever. It's called deferred payments, A defer
the payment. That's what you know. Bobby Benia every what,
every year collects a check right from the New York
Bets for for twenty years, he gets, you know, million
dollars or whatever. Right, he has deferred payments. Baseball players
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in their contracts can defer compensation. And the reason this
works for the owners is one everyone has seen that
deal they signed with Turner. Right, in two years, they're
gonna they get a forty percent raise from both Fox
and from Turner for their baseball rights. So in two years,
that's when you should have deferred to and oh yeah,
by the way, you can get interest on it if
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you're if you're a player, like, all right, I want
deferred compensation with that same compensation you pay me in
two years, and you know, instead of it's you take
twenty five percent off now, but you're gonna give me
five percent interest on it later and maybe that obviously
doesn't work and you just take deferred compensation. The reason
it works for the owners is one, they have that
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guaranteed income coming in if they have baseball into years.
And two this is the if you win the lottery.
What's smarter due take all the money or take the
payments over time? Uh man, take the payments over time, Ramas,
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I take the money. Take the money, always, always, always
take the money. I get one question though, if you
have this were these guys are getting back into compensation,
what do you do with free agency? What do you mean? Well,
some of these guys like would you allow them to
have this year still count towards Yeah, yeah, it's a season,
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and that's already kind of been agreed to, right, that's
already been agreed to that if you play, if we
play baseball this year, there's gonna be a crew de
year towards free agency. Right. And just so you know,
if you switched teams, you still get paid by your
old team in two years or in three years and
whatever you deferred the conversation to. Okay, the reason you
take the money right away, And if you're a financial advisor,
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feel free you can tweet me at Godlie Show. But
every financial advisor will tell you take the money right away,
because then you can invest the money and you're gonna
make You're gonna make way more money h off of
that money initially unless you have no absolutely no control
over your spending and you will not invest it. You
could simply live off the interest the rest of your life.
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If you take it and and you can invest the money,
and it will be it'll be worth at least two
x by the time you know, the twenty of your
payments would have would have come due. You know, like
if you're if you win a million dollars in the
lottery and they say you could take six hundred thousand now,
or you can take a million over twenty years, you
take the six hundred thousand, because over twenty years, if
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you invest all that money, it's gonna be way worth
way more than a million dollars. The same works for
for baseball teams. Right you put money in and an
escrow account and you pay out of the escrow account,
and so it actually works for them financially and they
lose less money any then they would otherwise defer the compensation.
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This is not that hard. But you know, when you
can't get a deal done, me stop talking to each other.
There has I believe there's never been a deal done
in which two sides aren't talking to one another. It
is impossible. And that's where Matt Manfred has That's why
I believe he's thrown out, thrown the challenge flag out there,
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or he's offered up the the caution. Right, He's he's
offered up caution. The caution is quite a cautionary tale.
Is hey, if you're not even having because it's been
so unhealthy, right, the owners will present a uh an
agreement to the players. The players like, we're not We're
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not making a counterproposal. What we will do is do
our own proposal. It's like, what are you doing? Just
talk to one another, get this thing done. Manford knows
in the back of his pocket he can do the
fifty game thing. I think that we're like two weeks
away from that. But in the meantime, if you're the owners,
if you're the players, meet in the middle, agree to
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whatever level of compensation this year, and whatever you're missing
that you're willing to agree over, you just defer that
compensation to be paid out over a year or two years,
three years, I don't care. It doesn't matter. The players
will still get their money. They will just get it
over time. The owners will still pay their money. They'll
just pay it out over time, which becomes less cumbersome
in terms of the death that they're carrying. Be sure
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Yesterday there was a controversy of sorts, and it's one
of those how long will this last? How will it end?
Some in in my position in the media called for
my Gundy to be fired because my Gundy was, uh,
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he went fishing with his boys in Lake tex Soma.
Lake Texonma is exactly what you think it is, right.
Lake tex Soma is a lake that borders Texas and Oklahoma.
I believe right. It's it's down in the south part
of the South and southern part of the state. There's
all these beautiful fish laid out and you're like, wait
(01:05):
a second, hold on, what what is Gundy wearing an
O A N shirt? Oh A N shirt? Now? Um.
For the record, my Gundhy had talked about oh a
N in the past. That is UH one America News Network,
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Your Nation, Your news right. It's a far right cable
channel founded by a guy named Robert Herring Sr. Owned
by Herring Networks. It was launched apparently seven years ago,
and um, they basically take far right politics. So Gundy
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is wearing an O A N shirt. He has a
star running back and again I know so much of
this because one, it's my job, in two it's my
mama her But Cuba Hubbard, who is the star running
back for Oklahoma State, who is Canadian, he's a stud.
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I mean, he's a home run hitting back. He saw it,
he tweeted out. I will not stand for this. This
is completely insensitive to everything going on society and it's unacceptable.
I will not be doing anything with Oklahoma State until
things change. Keep in mind that Cuba Hubbard had a
chance to go to the draft second probably a third
round draft pick. Instead chose to return to Oklahoma State
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where they're gonna build a Heisman campaign around him again
and an offense around him, and they may be the
preseason favorites to win the Big Twelve. Then all of
a sudden, the president of Oklahoma State released the statement
(02:52):
the athletic director all pointing to Mike Gundhi as as
erroring in terms of of wearing a T shirt. Then
there was a post four hours four hours in between
the original post, which was just supposed to be, Hey,
look at all the fish we caught while wearing an
O A N shirt. And you had Chubba Hubbard and
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Mike Gundy together in what looked a little bit it
just looked a little stiff it. There was there was
a little bit of uh, you've ever heard like a
hostage video? Here it is we We took this from
from Twitter in line of today's tweet with the T
shirt I was wearing. I met with some players and
realize it's a very sensitive issue with what's going on
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in today's society. And so we had a great meeting
and made it wear some things that players feel like
that can make our organization or culture even better than
it is here at Oakholm State. And I'm looking forward
to making some changes. And it starts at the top
with me, and we got good days in in I'll
start off by the first saying that I went in wrong.
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I went about it the wrong way by tweeting I'm
not something that you know has to tweet something to
break of change. I should have went to him as
a man, and I'm a I'm more about action. So
that was bad on my part. But from now on,
we're going to focus on really change and that's the
most important thing. They shake hands at the end. Now
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there have been and this is what happens on social media.
My gun is the worst because he's wearing an a
A enshirt and then they forced Shi A. Hubbard to
what they feel like is apologize, but we have this
is here's the issue. Okay, here's the issue. There's a
good portion of people in this country who are screaming
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out to be heard. And a good part of what
they want to be heard is they feel like they're
they're being made to I at a minimum, to be
to feel like, um, the police are after them, oh
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and be they're being treated unfairly by not just the police,
society the system at large. And what they are screaming for,
and rightfully so, is to be heard, hey man, to
be heard. And obviously this is between the right and
the left. Right and Black Lives Matter is to the left,
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and and somehow there's a positioning to the right, And
now this is leaked into sports where Mike Gundhi wears
a T shirt of a far right news organization and
Cuba Hubbard sees it and is personally offended by it. Now,
what Cuba apologized for? What do you apologize for? Was
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tweeting at his head coach instead of picking up the
phone and calling or texting his head coach. Now, part
of it is what I've been told is that Myke Gundhi,
as much as he's accessible to me as a media
member and as a lum, there's similar accessibility to his players.
In other words, you kind of got to go through
layers to get to him. So it actually is Gundi's
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fault that he was that that. You know, look, normally
should be able to wear a T shirt of a
far right news organization affiliation, especially when you're in the
state of Oklahoma and that's what you believe in. But
there's a lack of understanding the time, the place, and
how it's perceived as well as when you see it
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on social media. Your best players should be able to
text you, coach, what's the deal with the T shirt
you're wearing. So I get that Cuba didn't really He
didn't apologize for what he said. He apologized for voicing
his disapproval on social media. That's not the way that
quality organizations are run. We had the same thing at Fox.
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By the way, we're allowed to disagree with each other.
But you know what they don't want you to do.
Don't do it on social media where there's a back
and forth and people see the back and forth. You
got it? Something wrong with something somebody says, get their number,
text them, call um. You know, seeing man and man
man and woman doesn't matter. We're fine. That's how it's
all organizations should be like this. Now, I tweeted out
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what I was told within the university that the player
demands were. There's no limitations on earrings, on do rags
and wave caps, ability to sag pants, hair, music that
you can that you can have free of whatever sort
of language that you want to have. Y And basically
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what the players are fighting for is, look, if Mike
Gundy wants to wear a shirt that gives him freedom
of speech, well then we want to give our freedom
have our freedom of expression returned to us within the program. Now,
I'm not some stick in the mud, old school super
conservative that says everybody has to have a buzzed haircut.
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On the other hand, there is something about training men
to be men in the workforce, telling them, hey, listen,
I'm not gonna tell you. I don't care if you
wear If you wear your pants halfway down your butt,
if that's comfortable, that's and stuff. I don't care how
many earrings you wear. I don't care about your hair.
I don't care about your do rag. I don't But
I will tell you that there are perceptions fair unfair
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by people in the workplace in terms of hiring you. Now,
what the black community is trying to tell you, and
what the new you know and and and the younger
generation is trying to tell you, is that those perceptions
are unfair. But in an effort to be heard, you
also have to listen. That's the biggest challenge for all
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of us, all of us. Look, I I despise some
of the politics on both sides, but on on O
A N. But I can tell you that there are
parts from it that if you're a conservative Christian that
you gravitate towards right, the conservative Christian that you gravitate
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towards And there are parts of the left who are
conservative Christians that are sitting there and they're torn because
there are beliefs that they have socially that they believe in.
They all people should be treated I mean, we should
all this. It shouldn't be only political right. People should
be treated equally. But there are parts to everyone's agenda
that you don't like. I guarantee there's a part of
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the agenda that you don't like, whether it's uh LGBT,
LGBT rights or Black Lives Matter that you're sitting there,
if you're somewhere in the middle as I am, and
you're like, man, I don't really agree with that. But
if the overwhelming thought is, hey, all people should be
treated equal under the law, and no American citizen or
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even foreign citizens should be made to fear the police
if they're doing nothing wrong, and if they are pulled over,
they're treated the same, regardless of color, age, race, whatever.
I think these are all reasonable thoughts. I am here
to listen to you, but I would also tell you
that you have to listen to me as somebody who
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I don't own a gun. I don't believe. I don't
believe that the Second Amendment allows you to have some
of these firearms. Okay, but I would also tell you
that police officers know people do have guns, and it
puts everybody on edge and it changes things. What Chuba
Hubbard learned, what myke Gundhi learned. My Gundhi learned that
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a T shirt and a political leaning means something different
now because of how politics has divided us, how TV
has divided us, how sports and politics somehow have become intertwined,
and it's become very very divisive, even on subjects in
which we're actually completely united. And I think what my
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Gundy was schooled on a little bit of is, hey, listen,
if you want the freedom of expression of wearing a
T shirt that you want, players are gonna want freedom
of expression with how they dress and how they purport themselves.
That's what I think Oklahoma State's football players are fighting for,
not because they want to sag their pants or they
want to have, you know, they want to have, you know,
fifteen piercings. They just want to have the ability to
have fifty. If you want to have have anymeror you have
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any emirassings, you can't on one hand say I want
my you know, I want my rights, my Gundhi and
you can't grant us our rights. I think it's a
reasonable conversation. But that's a conversation. The conversation is not
this is what I think. You're wrong. If you don't
agree with me, you're a racist. On the other side,
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this is a conversation. If you don't agree with me,
you're trying to completely burn down the system. Like no, there,
This entire exercise is a great social studies lesson, and
the lesson is this freedom is hard. Freedom is hard
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because if you granted to all citizens, it means all
citizens from different perspectives and different backgrounds, and they're gonna
look at the exact same thing and see something different.
And while you do not have to accept it, what
you have to do is listen if you want to
be heard. That works for both sides. So at the
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end of the day, do I think that Mike Gundhy
is gonna lose his job, No, lose his program? No,
I think everyone especially and still what are going a
great civics lesson on the First Amendment, And there'll be
somebody else who steps in it, says or does something
that lacks empathy or understanding of the time and the
place within the next eight hours, and this will go away.
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But what won't go away is until we under stand
we have to be able to hear the other side
out within reason, right within reason, Because I don't actually
think you have to hear the KKK out how they're
not a how they're not a uh was a terrorist organization?
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I don't know that needs to be changed immediately. Like
hate speech, I have no place for period. Ever, if
you don't immediately denounce racism, there's something wrong with you.
Like this is not that hard to do. That's something
we can all agree. But the rest it's a conversation,
and a conversation goes like this, I talk, you listen,
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and you talk. I listen, I talk, you listen. But
that's not what happens right now. I yell, you yell,
I yell you yell. We both go our separate ways.
That guy is an idiot, that guy won't listen to me,
and I actually think that Oklahoma Stay seemed to kind
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of listen to each other. Are they going to agree? No,
But there are some meeting in the middle, there is
some growth, and there has to be a mutual understanding
of hearing that there are people that see some of
these exact same topics from a very different perspective. Be
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio, a app Doug
Gotlip Show Fox Sports Radio. Talented radio guy after being
a super talented football player in a a Super Bowl champion.
His he is Cliff April. He's kind of have to
spend some time with us year on The Doug Gotlip
(14:43):
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Cliff, first thing, how are
you healthy? Every everybod everybody around you healthy? Everybody good? Yes, No,
everybody's well. Everybody is, you know, kind of hunkered down here,
you know, in Seattle the COVID situation. We've been in
the house for three or four months now, so yeah,
we're just staying out the way. It has been our
(15:05):
model these last three months. Um, what's it like with um?
What is it called that Capitol Hill area where there
there are no police just people sitting in Like from
your perspective as somebody who has made Seattle your home,
what are your thoughts on what's going on in Capitol
Hill in Seattle? You know what I haven't gone down
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there anything like that. I'm kind of and and I
hate doing this, but I'm kind of just listening to
what the media is kind of saying about it because
I had, Like I said, we haven't really been moving
around much around here. But from the sounds of it,
you know, they they've kind of given them about four
a few blocks where you know people, yeah, where people
can kind of protest and and a lot of people
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are are just down there, you know, doing a wide
range of different things, to be honest with you, but
I don't think it's anywhere near as crazy as say
the national media is making it. Um. You know, it's
it's a lot of peaceful stuff going on. But also
you know, there's vendors out there selling things and different
things like that, so um, you know, it's it's it's
an interesting way of going about it. Again, I don't
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know enough about it to to to die deep into it,
but from people that I know have gone down there
and different things like that, then these are some of
the different things that they've been telling me. What what
is it like to from your experience? Okay, what's it like?
Share with me or and share with us if you could.
You know, I don't know the black athlete experience, right,
(16:30):
And your guy from Florida draft, you know you go
to uh you know, you drafted in the third round,
You go to Detroit, you go to Seattle. These experiences
that are being shared by some. Is that what it
was like for you or is this something you're learning about?
What's it? What? What? What is your experience of being
a star athlete in America been life? You know what? Honestly,
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it doesn't matter, um other than the city that you played.
You gotta remember, we're football players, so nobody really red
cognizes what we look like unless you're you know, Russell
Wilson or a quarterback of some sort, right. Um. So,
So I have been in spaces, honestly where police officers
pulled up pulled out guns on me. I have been
in areas where I was with Michael Bennett when the
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whole situation happened in Vegas. So I've seen a wide
range of different stuff. When it comes down to some
of the police brutality stuff that people are posting left
and right, like, I've been a part of some of that. Now.
With that being said, also my security guy, as a
police officers a white guy as well. Right, So, um,
you know, I have faith in some of them. But
as a black athlete, honestly, you are you are still
(17:38):
a black man in America. You still are dealing with
a lot of the same stuff. I've had reporters. You know,
I was one of the people, myself, Michael been at
Frank Clark. We were some of the people that were
you know, protesting, whether that be sitting there taking a knee,
you know, before the national anthem during you know, a
few years back, or whatnot. And I've had people, you know,
come out and any different things to me about it.
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But it's only because I've experienced it, right, I'm not
going through somebody else's lens. I've experienced some of these
different things, even though I'm a professional athlete, even though
you know, some people might consider me a celebrity or
whatever the case may be. Like, these are things that
I have actually dealt with. And that's why so many
people are in up in arms because it doesn't really
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matter what you do or where you're at. Everything's kind
of based off from skin color. Unfortunately, Um clip April
joining us in the Doug Out Lip Show on Fox
Sports Radio, you were there and Colin Kaepernick that only
had taken a knee but also after he got cut
by the Niners. UM that following off season, the only
team he visited was the Seahawks. UM, what what's what's
(18:44):
your perspective on the real reason they didn't sign him? Well,
I was on the team UM at that time, and
you know, we hear about you know, Capp is coming in,
they might sign them, all these different things. I think,
deep down inside, honestly, coach care of being who he is,
right because you you look at one of the more
teams that were more vocal during those period of time,
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The Seahawks were definitely one of those teams and coach
Carroll Paul aland they didn't necessarily have an issue with
that because they were actually listening to the message. You
look at you think about coach Carroll, Heck, he was
in South Central you know, when he was an s
C and all that stuff, so he understands a lot
of that stuff. Um. But when they brought Cap in,
I think he really wanted to see, you know what
that what that would look like. I think the issue becomes, uh,
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it becomes an issue when the second string quarterback is
getting way more attention than your first string quarterback, because
cap does come with all that, right, whoever he signs with,
if he is a backup, he will get a lot
of the attention. But not only that the first string quarterback,
the starting quarterback, he's gonna have to talk about the
second string quarterback and all this stuff that he's dealing
with as well. Right, So I think it becomes an
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issue for that position. You know, the quarterback position is
one of the few positions and is the only position
actually in football where they don't want to bring too
much a tension or competition, should I say, into camp
and different things like that. And I think this would
have played a role in in just the mindset for
the quarterback and him having to answer more questions about,
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you know, the backup instead of the game planner himself.
And I think that probably played a bigger role than anything,
right I. I it's it's interesting, right because there's a
there's a reality to it that that for whatever reason,
really and I think Cam runs into that some now,
right for a different reason. But but but your previous
success and your stardom can actually work against you when
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you're a backup quarterback, right because Russell doesn't want that.
The organization doesn't like you have to have one voice,
one leader. The job of the backup is to get
to start, be ready yourself with limited reps, but also
get the starter ready and support the starter, and that
gets thrown kind of all all out of out of whack.
Um go ahead, Well, well, I would I would say,
(20:56):
I would say, I don't. I don't know if it's
necessarily just the starting piece sort of just being a
starter in the NFL, because there's a lot I mean,
there's a few guys that have gone from starting to
backup role. I think he's just a little bit more
different with Cap because of everything that comes with CAP. Right,
you talk about the Neil and you talk about you know,
just the media wanting to be in his face all
the time. Like, I think that's a little bit more
(21:18):
different than say, uh, you know a veteran player that
is kind of you know, just hanging on and different
things like that that has been I don't I don't mean,
I don't mean Cliff, I don't mean like hanging out. Okay,
Like like, okay, so Cam Newton, whichever team you think
should sign Cam Newton, if you have a if you
signed to be a backup, the starter has to be
so solid because you know the second heat founders like
(21:41):
we got Cam Newton as as the backup and and
the real the reality is guys not only their confidence
but their teammates confidence have to be in the start.
You have to have the right guy the right at you,
and so really like we're as you know, look, Folds
is not as as I don't think he's as good
as Cam. He's had some great games, but full ha
shown the ability to handle. I can be a backup,
(22:03):
I can be a starter, I can be whatever you want,
and I can I can be ready. Whereas it's a
it's a major switch. And if it was a Cam Newton,
if it was a Colin Kaepernick, there is again for
different reasons, going to be a big media presence on them,
even though they're not technically the ones you're gonna play. No,
I mean, I see where you're coming from from that
(22:24):
perspective for sure. Right you know, someone like Cam who
just came just a few years ago talking about m
v P and in Super Bowl runs and different things
like that. So yeah, I can definitely see that, Um,
I think, But but it's so interesting because the quarterback
position is the only position they care about like that
everybody else you have to be on your p's and
queues at all times, you know, every single year I
(22:46):
was in the league coming off Pro Bowls, whatever the case,
maybe they drafted the decausive lineman at my position, right
and they do not do that with the quarterback position.
So UM, I say that to say, you know, Cam
should get a job. I I don't care who he's
backing up. He should get a job. And I think
Cap should get an opportunity to get a job. I
just know cap situation is gonna be a little bit
(23:07):
different from Camp just because of the actual you know,
stuff that comes with either more of those players. Yeah, no,
I I I absolutely agree with you. It's they're unique, um,
and it'll it will be interesting. Cliff April joining us
Strouper Bowl Champion, Pro Bowl Defensive Ends Radio and Seattle.
He joins us on the Doug Otlip Show here on
Fox Sport Trade. You can follow him at Cliff April. Um.
(23:31):
How how difficult will this season be without O T
s and without the ability to this point to meet
in person with teammates and coaches, you know, in the facility.
All it's gonna be, it's gonna be it's gonna be hard.
But it's gonna be hard on the younger players right there,
the guys that just got drafted, some of these free agents,
even heck, some of these seconds or players. And the
(23:53):
reason I say that is because the off season is
where you develop, right. The off season is where you
get the playbook. You're able to work on, you know
your craft a little bit, because when the season rolls around,
all that stuff goes out the window. It's game plan,
it's it's no your plays, it's adjustments and different things
like that. So for for younger players, I think it's
just harder because they don't know what to expect. Right,
(24:15):
these guys get drafted and they haven't been to the facility.
They've been doing zoom calls and whatnot. They sink there
in shape. They might be in college shape, but they're
definitely not in NFL shape, and they don't know what
that looks like. I think that's where it becomes hard. Also,
the learning curve. Yes, you're being you're able to do zoom,
but some guys learned better when they when after the
coach puts it on the board, they go practice it, right,
(24:35):
some guys learn better uh doing different things. So going
through that process, I think it just hurts the younger
players and it's unfortunate. And also the injury aspect of things.
I was a part of the lockout. I was I
was there, um, you know, and and injuries was a
big thing because guys just didn't know how to train. Um,
(24:56):
whether that be younger players or not, but just not
getting the football reps. He's a big role in that.
So there's there. The team that handles it the best
is going to be the team that's standing uh strong
towards the end of the season. Doug otlip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. UM, it's it's fascinating to watch
to watch Russell because when when you first got to Seattle,
(25:20):
it was still leadion a boom. It was about the
defense and his job, for the most part was to
not lose the game. Now the defense tries to keep
in the game and then it's Russell's job to to
win it to win it late. Right. Is that that's
a fair perspective on what kind of because I every
Seattle game I watch feels like that Niner game at
the end of the season right where Russell's got the ball,
He's running around trying to make a play and either
(25:42):
win or losing. It's like a one score Every game
feels that way, no, no doubt. Now it has shifted,
you know, because people always asking, you know, oh, how
was Russ. You know during that that that run that
you guys had when you were defense, you had a
great defense. It's like, well Russ. Honestly, one people have
to remember that was only year two through you know,
five for Russell, So he was still a young quarterback
(26:04):
and it was actually a great space for him to
be in comparison to say, some of these other quarterbacks
that have to come in right now and be the
leader of these teams. Right, he didn't necessarily have to
be that. He can watch and observe and see how
the defensive side of the things do things, how Mars
Shawn and those guys kind of do things and understand
the game a little bit more. But now as you
look at it, all of it is coming to fruition,
(26:25):
all of it's growing now. Right. So now he's comfortable
being that man and he will make plays. He he
is relentless when it comes down to just his attitude
towards being able to win games. All he needs to
do this to do is just hold up enough for
him to be able to go out there and make plays.
And it's been great to watch the maturation of Russell
Wilson over these last seven or eight years for me
(26:46):
because again, you know, when I first got here to
s Seattle, he didn't have to say much. He was
kind to keep it to himself, just trying to figure
out the game. Now you walk into the locker room,
he is the man. He everybody's looking up to Russell
Wilson to lead that to and he's been doing a
heck of a job doing it the last couple of years. Yeah,
he absolutely has. Do you think Garoppolo has it? And
(27:06):
by it, I mean look, you know you, we you
and I know what what it is. Right Like I
watched it. I watched the Emmanuel Sanders throw. I'm like,
oh oh, and I watched some of those throws in
the second half of the Super like oh. Like, lots
of guys can run an offense and can win games
when you got the better team, you got a great scheme,
got a great coach, But it's that competitive greatness like
(27:28):
can you be great when greatness is called upon, and
I just I don't know. You see the game at
a so much higher football like you level than I
could ever hope to do. You think Garoppolo has it?
I think he has the potential to have it, right,
because there's one thing that that a lot of people
don't don't don't pay attention to. There's a growth factor.
Garoppolo hasn't necessarily played that much football. I mean he has,
(27:52):
He's been a backup. Then they give him all this money,
then he gets hurt. You know. I think he played
with that last five games one year and went on
a five and run or seven and over run, whatever
it was, and everybody kind of got hyped. Everybody kind
of got hyped up behind him, right. But he hasn't
played enough football for us to say he is great.
He hasn't played enough football honestly to get that big
deal he got either. But you know that's just the
(28:14):
quarterback market. Um. I would say, I have seen him
make some great throws. I've seen him, you know, make
some things happen where where he had to kind of
rally the team, but and and and make some get
some wins. Right. So that's the start to it, because
a lot of quarterbacks can't even do that much. But
he hasn't played enough football to the point where I
feel like he's an elite quarterback or or even though
(28:35):
the team went to the Super Bowl, I don't. To me,
he hasn't done enough yet to say he's elite. But
he has shown glimpses that he can be that guy
at some point. He just isn't there yet. Cliff, great stuff, man.
Glad you're healthy and uh and safe and can't wait
until we actually have football back on TV. In the meantime,
stay safe, stay healthy, and appreciate you join us. Thank
(28:57):
you for having me as always appreciate you. That's Cliff,
A great player. Good dude, good broadcast. You're kind of
to spend some time this year on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific
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What Up Tug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Mm hmm.
(29:24):
So here we are June two thousand twenty and uh,
you know, based upon the year, you can pick out
what would have been being played would have been played.
NBA finals have been taking place right now, right, but
we have no NBA finals. We have no NBA finals.
(29:46):
We haven't had any o t s. But maybe most interestingly,
we haven't had any baseball. And if you watch other
sports networks, you know that in Korea they've been playing
baseball for a while now, right baseball. It it felt
like I had a pretty good sort of planner. I
would do three sort of regional sites. Maybe maybe we'll
(30:10):
do homesites. We'll figure that out. But regional teams, no fans, players,
pictures spaced out like it'll all work like in baseball,
with exception of everybody touched on the same same ball.
And oh yeah, by the way, they get rid of
a ball most every pitch, right, I mean, obviously that
could change because fewer balls are being thrown to fans
(30:33):
in the stands. But with the exception of passing around
Germans via a baseball, that's the exception. Everybody is kind
of spaced out, all right. You don't have to sit
next to anybody, you don't have to dap anybody up.
You can even do that COVID dap thing with your elbow,
(30:54):
can't you? So what was the issue with baseball? It's
about money. It's not about safety. The safety concerns were
brought up, but by everyone's account that like, look, let's
get back to playing baseball. The owners want to play,
but the owner's issue is, hey, every time we have
a game, every single time we have a game with
(31:15):
no fans, we lose money. And we're willing to lose
some money, but we're not willing to lose as much
money as the union wants us to. That's just not
smart business. Okay, unless you will take a pay cut.
The players, well, their union said we got a deal,
(31:40):
even though the fine print of the deal means that
they actually don't have a deal right now. So we
could go. Rob Banford said baseball is coming back. Last night,
he was on the Return of Sports Special over on
ESPM with my Greenberg, and he had this to say,
I'm not confident. I think there's real risk. As long
as there's no dialogue, that real risk is going to continue. Okay,
(32:06):
huh wait a second. Not confident? How did you go?
Non confident? Um? I have a plan, I have a solution.
We can work it out this very very moment Okay,
we're gonna this very moment now with that planned solution,
will be working together. I'll give it to you in
(32:28):
a second. I believe that Rob Manfred knows in his
back pocket is the fifty game schedule that he can say,
we're gonna go, We're gonna we're gonna go, We're gonna
do it. And even the players Union knows that in
the collective bar in agreement, the commissioner has the ability
to do something in the best interest of baseball that
(32:49):
will be done. And the issue is he doesn't want
to do it now. He he doesn't want to use
that power. It is the nuclear option. It is the
because I said so argument, and though it's right, it's
not one that he wants to use. So we're still
a couple of weeks away from him using that. Can
(33:10):
I give you a viable solution that works right now?
Gascon can I can I? Can I pitch you on something? Ramos?
Can I pitch you guys on some course? Okay, So
there's a here's the difference. The players want. Hey man,
we took a pay cut and the owners said, I
know you took a pay cup, but that was with
(33:30):
fans in the stands, we need you to take an
additional pay cup. Right, here's what the union should do.
We will take hey, we'll take it. But what you're
gonna do is you're gonna take that and added on
(33:52):
to next to next year, or to the next three
years or two whenever. It's called deferred payments, A defer
the payment. That's what you know. Bobby Benia every what,
every year collects a check right from the New York
Bets for for twenty years, he gets, you know, million
dollars or whatever. Right, he has deferred payments. Baseball players
(34:13):
in their contracts can defer compensation. And the reason this
works for the owners is one everyone has seen that
deal they signed with Turner. Right, in two years, they're
gonna they get a forty percent raise from both Fox
and from Turner for their baseball rights. So in two years,
that's when you should have deferred to and oh yeah,
by the way, you can get interest on it if
(34:36):
you're if you're a player, like, all right, I want
deferred compensation with that same compensation you pay me in
two years, and you know, instead of it's you take
twenty five percent off now, but you're gonna give me
five percent interest on it later and maybe that obviously
doesn't work and you just take deferred compensation. The reason
it works for the owners is one, they have that
(34:56):
guaranteed income coming in if they have baseball into years.
And two this is the if you win the lottery.
What's smarter due take all the money or take the
payments over time? Uh man, take the payments over time, Ramas,
(35:16):
I take the money. Take the money, always, always, always
take the money. I get one question though, if you
have this were these guys are getting back into compensation,
what do you do with free agency? What do you mean? Well,
some of these guys like would you allow them to
have this year still count towards Yeah, yeah, it's a season,
(35:38):
and that's already kind of been agreed to, right, that's
already been agreed to that if you play, if we
play baseball this year, there's gonna be a crew de
year towards free agency. Right. And just so you know,
if you switched teams, you still get paid by your
old team in two years or in three years and
whatever you deferred the conversation to. Okay, the reason you
take the money right away, And if you're a financial advisor,
(36:01):
feel free you can tweet me at Godlie Show. But
every financial advisor will tell you take the money right away,
because then you can invest the money and you're gonna
make You're gonna make way more money h off of
that money initially unless you have no absolutely no control
over your spending and you will not invest it. You
could simply live off the interest the rest of your life.
(36:23):
If you take it and and you can invest the money,
and it will be it'll be worth at least two
x by the time you know, the twenty of your
payments would have would have come due. You know, like
if you're if you win a million dollars in the
lottery and they say you could take six hundred thousand now,
or you can take a million over twenty years, you
take the six hundred thousand, because over twenty years, if
(36:43):
you invest all that money, it's gonna be way worth
way more than a million dollars. The same works for
for baseball teams. Right you put money in and an
escrow account and you pay out of the escrow account,
and so it actually works for them financially and they
lose less money any then they would otherwise defer the compensation.
(37:04):
This is not that hard. But you know, when you
can't get a deal done, me stop talking to each other.
There has I believe there's never been a deal done
in which two sides aren't talking to one another. It
is impossible. And that's where Matt Manfred has That's why
I believe he's thrown out, thrown the challenge flag out there,
(37:27):
or he's offered up the the caution. Right, He's he's
offered up caution. The caution is quite a cautionary tale.
Is hey, if you're not even having because it's been
so unhealthy, right, the owners will present a uh an
agreement to the players. The players like, we're not We're
(37:48):
not making a counterproposal. What we will do is do
our own proposal. It's like, what are you doing? Just
talk to one another, get this thing done. Manford knows
in the back of his pocket he can do the
fifty game thing. I think that we're like two weeks
away from that. But in the meantime, if you're the owners,
if you're the players, meet in the middle, agree to
(38:08):
whatever level of compensation this year, and whatever you're missing
that you're willing to agree over, you just defer that
compensation to be paid out over a year or two years,
three years, I don't care. It doesn't matter. The players
will still get their money. They will just get it
over time. The owners will still pay their money. They'll
just pay it out over time, which becomes less cumbersome
in terms of the death that they're carrying. Be sure
(38:29):
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