Hail To The Washington Football Club

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you're listening to Fox Sports Radio. They always say that
honesty is the best policy. So, honestly, George Rice Stir,
did you ever think that we would get to this
point when it comes to the nickname of the Washington Redskins.
Did you ever think we were to get this far?

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Now we're not all the way there, but did you
ever think that we would get to this far that
it seems like we are on the verge of this
name changing. Yes, I knew this was coming. Bro, this
was coming. It wasn't a matter of if it was.
When you think about just out in the world, when
things are wrong, wrong, or like all things get corrected

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a lot of times, especially when they're historically wrong. And
most importantly, Dan is that we've learned that people people
cannot be bought like that. Well that I should say,
there's a certain segment of the population that no matter
what you offer them, no matter what you try to
bribe them with those investigative journalists type people, that no
matter what you try to give them, they will not

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give up because the cause and the their version of
the quote unquote right thing is more important than anything
else that you could give them. And I think that
the message was actually just the opposite. For a long
time with Dan Snyder, despite calls for him to change
the nickname of his team, he always stood by it

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and said that the name would not change. Now, over
the last twenty four hours, it has changed dramatically. You've
heard Isaac Loan Crown mentioned in the update. Not only
did Dan Snyder, the Redskins owner, in a statement saying
that they will uh take an opportunity to look into
the changing of the name reviewing of the nickname. Roger

(02:08):
Goodell Reyes released a statement saying, quote in the last
few weeks, we have had ongoing discussions with Dan and
we are supportive of this important step you had yesterday.
One of the minority owners of the Washington Redskins, who
is the founder of FedEx, expressed their opinion that they
were interested in a name change, and then you had

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Nike withdrawing all of the items regarding the Washington Redskins
off of their website to purchase. So it seemed like
the Big Bucks George were the ones that really really
got to Dan Snyder in saying, all right, if fed
X isn't gonna have the naming rights to the field,
if a minority owner is speaking out about this, if

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Nike is pulling it, that to me seems like the
real reason while Dance, why Dan Snyder is actually looking
to review and likely change this nickname. It had to
do with all them. Yes, dude, when people have their
heels dug in you. I mean, okay, I have a
I have kids. We have five kids. And the thing

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that we've learned is this is pressure points. You don't
find like if if one kid, if he likes dessert
and then another kid doesn't, you can't say you can't
do this. Otherwise you don't get deserted. You can't do this,
or you don't get to use the iPhone or the iPad.
You have to find what their pressure point is, the

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thing that is going to hurt enough that they are
going to change their behavior. And that's the same thing
that happened with Dan Snyder here. Yes, that a couple
of years ago they tried to take away the licensing
and the trademark for his team's UM mascot that ended
up getting UH went his way. So yeah, they weren't

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the pressure points Nike. When they did the Veterans UH,
the the the hoodies, the camouflage hoodies and all of that,
they were the only team that didn't have their nickname
on there. They said Washington Football on it. So Nike,
he's already been on board with with this, and now
you have a situation where now they've hit Dan Snyder's

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pressure point. It's not public criticism. It's not because other
than that, he would have been sold the team because
people said he's a terrible owner. It's the money that's
the pressure point for him. This whole scenario breaks down
to what's the gain of keeping it? Really well, like now,
it's what's the gain? And I think previously George, that

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Dan Snyder would make an argument that there was a
loyal fan base UM that was behind him, and we
saw some of the the the poor attempts to show
that that Dan Snyder would exhibit to show why he
would keep the nickname UM. Taking advantage of Native Americans

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and trying to in a way almost parade them out
to say, see, it's all right, inviting uh Native Americans
to games, having them in his booth like these were
the actions of Dan Snyder. But he also I thought
George had a backing from the fan base and really
from the other thirty one owners who hadn't set a

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peep about this because that's their team. Like you get
to do with your team as you want to do
with your team. But the see, here's the here's the
thing is is that Dan Snyder had the backing from
fans because the fans of the team aren't the people
who this is directed at. Like there, it's super super

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easy to tell people, oh, it's just a nickname. It's
not a big deal. When it's not offensive to you,
like when it has no historical reference to you, your family,
any of that, it's super easy for people to say, oh, yeah,
just just get over it. Why is every everybody getting
so upset about this now? Damn? Why is everybody know

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people have been upset about this for fifteen twenty plus years.
They've been trying to get it removed. Nobody would listen.
Same thing with the monument, same thing with all of this,
but people act like this A is brand new. They
just didn't care. Now it's in their face. That's the difference,
is that there is power to get it done. That's
what the change is. Well, I also well, and I

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was going to say along those lines, I think that
things have changed. I also think that I think it's
I think it's the power of fed X and it's
the power of Nike, and it's those sort of things
that uh will force dand Snider to change. But I
also do think that there has been a change in
the in in the consciousness of what you're talking about.

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And I think that we've seen that because this argument
two years ago is being brought up. You've talked about it.
This has been going on for the last fifteen and
twenty years, and it has been it's been going on
for a long long time. But what we've seen just
in the last two months of what has been going on,
I think has changed so many things. And that fan

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base and that base that said, hey, this didn't offend us,
now their eyes have been opened. And I think that
it is a very very recent change, and I don't
think it's woke culture I don't think it's that thing
Georgia where we like to try to downplay or push
it off of of that person being woke. I think

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it's just a lot more people realizing what is going
on and also ultimately what is the gain. So I
I end with the with what we started with, is
what is the gain in all of this, because I
don't think that you can find anything UH any longer.
Maybe the reasons in the past were were superficial and

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they were in just but they're the people would have
their arguments of the history of the organization. Now that
doesn't seem relevant, that doesn't seem important. It also doesn't
seem like the stuff that people want to be associated with.
And I think that's where we're getting the change right now.
I don't think you would have gotten to take away
It doesn't take away the history of the team just

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because you change a nickname. I mean, this has been
going on for a long time. There was a school
UH that was that's very close to to to me
out in the San Fernando Valley. I think they were
the Birmingham Uh. I think they were the Birmingham Braves,
and now they're the Birmingham something something something else like
it didn't. And we've seen, you know, colleges changed their name,

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their nicknames. Mark Marquette did it. And I think that
that when we were talking earlier, you said that there
were some schools near you that have changed it. So
this is not abnormal. Yeah, yeah, And you know what,
I even brought this up last night when we were
filling on the Jason Smith Show. Jonah Snocks and myself.
You know, Marquette University changed from the Warriors to the
to the Golden Eagles. Where I grew up in north

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central Wisconsin, there are many Native American tribes like De
Flambeau and Nida. There are a lot of different Native
American tribes. But there's also school high schools in my
conference that were the Red Raiders. There were multiple schools
with the nickname Red Men, just like St. John's was,
and then they changed to the to the Red Storm.

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There it was. It was a lot of places. But
when Marquette changes from Warriors to Golden Eagles, it got
the conversation going, at least locally. And you saw this
throughout high schools and you saw the changes, and I
wasn't saying that was the only school there were other
you know, universities across the country, but locally for us
in that state. It it got the conversation going, which

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then also brings to the point George, Yeah, this is
you know, this is thirty years ago stuff. This is
forty years ago stuff. But that stuff ended up going
by the wayside. Some of the schools, honestly, they'll have
kept still kept the nicknames that they have had. I
wonder now if this is going to allow that change.
And I actually, George, I think that this in in
a in a way, is is a way for Dan

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Snyder not gonna it's not gonna be a martyr for
doing this, but for a team that isn't isn't too
uh used to getting positive press, this would be a
positive thing for Dance Snyder, no matter how he does it,
for someone who has stood and you know, stood his
ground with the nickname. Whatever the reasons are, to actually

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change it, I think would be a positive. And in
the long run is this team looks to have a stadium,
a brand new stadium built in Washington, d C. In
the District of Columbia. You cannot move it. There have
a stadium in d C without a name change, so
when all this could help Dan Snyder um in a
lot of ways if he ends up making the change

(10:50):
with the with the team name. There is no right
way to do the wrong thing and no wrong way
to do the right thing. And once the point in
time that you find out that something you were doing
was not the proper way to do things, you change it.
You don't just keep going down the same road because

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because this is the road that we've been in, I
gotta dig in my my heels. This is our history. Well,
if you realize that your history was messed up, admitt
it and just change course and change direction, Like, this
is our country, this is America. Just because there was
so long that it wasn't great for everybody doesn't mean

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that you can't go ahead and change that now. Like
that's the part that is so bothersome to me about
about some people on the other argument about these things.
This isn't gonna change your team, This isn't gonna change
the history, This isn't gonna change any of that. This
is just saying, all right, look, we messed this up

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as a country. We messed up with slavery, we messed
up with segregation, we messed up with the way we've
treated our Native Americans. We messed up. Let's just change course.
It doesn't like take away from anything that has been
that has happened. It doesn't. It's almost like when you
see like like if you take your family to therapy, Dan,

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regardless of whether some major has happened, you guys just
need to talk. Somebody died any any of that. You
have to first, like if something was done done wrong,
you apologize, you admit it, and then you change course.
You don't just keep doing it that way because that's
the always the way it's been done. That's stupid and
Dan Snyder has done that for a long long time,

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and now there could be a change. Thorough review was
the quote that Snyder used in the statement that was
released by the team. I don't know, George, how they're
going to do it, uh with the upcoming season. You
mentioned the the change or the the military uh outfitting
that night he did in November for for the National

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Football League. I think you could see them be called
the Washington Football Club for a season or two seasons,
and then a possible name change. But I would be
very surprised if this nickname is there at the start
of the season. I don't know what they're gonna do
in the meantime. I I that's why I think they
could just go Washington Football Club for the season. But

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I yeah, I think this is coming to an end
and coming to an end soon. Okay, but wouldn't that
actually be kind of a unique thing. I mean, it's
been the football club thing has been popular in soccer.
You have you know, like you have l A, f C,
l A Galaxy, all of that. Like just doing something different.
That might be Dan Snyder's answer, like we're to Washington

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Football Club, like we're not the you know, like just
leave the nickname off. You don't even have to have
one if you don't want to. And that can be
even his way to say, listen, I'm bucking the system.
We're still to Washington Football Club like that. That's it.
That's who we are, This is our city, this is
all of that. Just just own it. But I do
love the way that uh. I thought it was very classic,

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the way he wanted to ease into this, like they
haven't been talking to Native Americans talking to people about
this for for decades now about the name. Oh now
we're gonna do a thorough review. No, you're changing the name.
You're trying to figure out what you're what you're gonna
gonna do. But this is a pr way to say it. No,

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just I get it though. Okay, Dan, you're a changing
the name with this quote unquote thorough review. He's George
rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer. He's talking about Dan Snyder.
He's not talking about me. Get George Twitter at George
rice Stir, I'm at Dan Buyer on Fox. Coming up
next year on the Doug Gottlieb Show, we will head
to the district of Columbia. We'll get the thoughts of

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what's happening with the fan base there and how they
react to the possible change of the Redskins nickname. That
next year on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch
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He's Dann Buyer. I am George rice Stir. We're filling
in for it. Doug got leave today, so obviously the
hot topic today is the Washington Football Club, who may
formerly be known as the red Skins. And we're gonna
try to bring somebody into has some insight and some

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expertise on on that. But I'm just wondering, like, do
people who are upset about this realize that Dan that
in their own city, the Washington Bullets changed their name
to the Washington Wizards. Yeah, oh, I know, yeah, the
sports teams are gonna have different names. I didn't. I

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did you have a problem with Bullets? Did you? I didn't.
I didn't have a problem with it, But I didn't
care either. I mean, I get it. I got the
point that people that they didn't want to be associated
with crime and guns and all of those sorts of things.
Especially I mean, so I I get it, but you know,

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it's not my team too. So I didn't think that
that was as big of a thing because it wasn't
offensive to one particular group of people or their history
or anything like like that. It would be different if
the team were called the Washington Seminalles and the Seminal
tribe was like, Okay, cool, We're down with that. It's

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more about when you have when you when it's a slur.
And the man that we're gonna bring in to talk
about this is uh, Mr Nick ash You. He is
the host over at NBC Sports Washington and at one
oh six point seven The Fan. You can find him
on Twitter at Nick ash You. It's not it sounds

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like a sneeze, but it is spelled a s h
o O H. Nick, welcome to the show. It absolutely
sounds like a sneeze. UM, thank you for joining us today. So, uh,
Dan Snyder has clearly dug in his heels for years
and now they're doing a quote unquote formal review of

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the name. Do you think it will be changed? Yes,
I honestly do. And I would have never said this before,
but with the way things have gone with FedEx coming
out and saying that they wanted them to change the name.
And by the way, the person that came out from
fed X is not only the CEO, but he has

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a minority state in the Redskins. And Nike took down
all of their apparel from their website. Um. And at
this point now, the conversation always was they will change
the name when the money stopped flowing in, because they
think about the Redskins is they're still worth a lot
of money even when they're losing. The fan base has
been there and they've had the sponsors and even when

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people aren't showing up the games, they're still making money.
If they start losing money, which seems to be the
case now, then at least the threat of it. I
absolutely think this is going to change. And it's weird
to say that because this has been a battle that's
been going on long before even Dan Snyder owned the team.
But now it's it seems like it's it's come to
a head, and I think people are considering this in
a different situation than they ever have before. How does

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the fan base really feel about it? Because it felt
like Snyder previously Nick had the backing of the fan base. Um,
I'm not sure that's the case anymore. But but what
is the feel in d C about the nickname? Very
very mixed? Um. And by the way, I apologize, there's
there's an echo in my ear I hear myself, So
if I sound weird, that's just me hearing myself. But um,

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the what's going on right now is a mix of
opinions on both sides. Do you have a lot of
people to talk about it and say, well, the history
of the team and how can you get rid of that?
And how you can change that. And that's really a
lot of the older generation because not my generation. People
my age. We grew up and I'm a Redskins fan.
I grew up a fan of the team. My dad

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was a fan of the team, and he he raised
me a Redskins fan, and I tell him every week,
I'm like, you've ruined my life from maim me a
Redskins fan. But the team has been awful for a
long long time and people that are my generation in
their thirties really only look at them as the dysfunctional
franchise that can't win games. And a lot of people say,

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you know what, if you change the name, it's kind
of a fresh start, and I think we'll take it.
And it's it's just it's becomes something that I actually
feel is more split than it ever was, where it
felt like there were more people that were very against it.
Don't change it. This isn't you know, this isn't something
that should be offensive to anybody. But as this is evolved,
I've really noticed a different change, a different tone from

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a lot of people where it feels at least much
more split. And that that's just I mean, being in
this market and seeing for so long this conversation and
seeing the change that's happened now is it's it's definitely
a different tone than it was before. Even with a
fan base. I've heard so many people nick say that,
oh this is this is new? Why are people bringing

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this up now? And so can you tell people how
long did this conversation has been being had? I mean
forty years? I mean I remember Tony Kornheiser would talk
about how we wrote a column about this thirty years ago.
I mean, it's this has been going on for decades.
It's just one of the things that does change. Is
so you guys are certainly aware of this, Like social

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media changes everything. People are able to get opinions out there,
and then those opinions spread to other people, and there's
information that people get and whether it's always right or
it's always true as old different conversation, but social media
has certainly changed that now and is it is definitely
nothing new this maybe outside of DC it might seem
like a new thing to a lot of people, but

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I can promise you this that every couple of years,
this conversation drums up, and you know, we get more
attention as as time goes on. So it's no surprise
to me that this is now being not only a
conversation again now but stronger than what it ever was before.
Nick Ash, you have NBC Sports Washington joining us here
on Fox Sports Radio, and I should also say former

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Fox Sports Radio host before he went on to bigger
and better things in the Nation's Capital fund him on
Twitter at Nick Ash, You, George and I were talking earlier,
and I think that there could be and I want
to I want to get your thoughts on this, Nick.
I think there could be an argument that Dan Snyder
actually does something positive, that this could be a plus

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for him. Is this gonna be thought of if a
change is made as a positive or is he going
to be looked at as the guy who's forced into
the decision? And it's kind of the same old, same
old with his ownership brain That honestly goes back to
the split in the fan base and how they feel
about changing it. To begin with. There were a lot
of people, I think nationally that will look at this

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and say, good job, good for him, and they're going
to applaud it. There's gonna be a lot of people
within the Redskins fan base that hate him more because
of that. But I will tell you what will ease
the pain on this a little bit, because the issue
for so long is that the Redskins have wanted a
new stadium. Anybody outside a DC that hasn't been there,
I can tell you FedEx Field, where the Redskins play
is trashed. It is an awful, awful stadium and they've

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wanted one for a long time and it's been landover Maryland.
They want to go back to the site where RFK
Stadium is, where the Redskins played in their glory day.
And the conversation for a long time was they probably
are going to be able to go there until they
change their name. And Mariel Bowser, who is the mayor
of DC, has not come out in the past and
said specifically they need to change their name to be here.

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She has now said the only way they're coming back
and they're going to the RFK site is if they
change their names. So, if you have the opportunity to
be there and build a brand new, beautiful stadium in
the perfect location in downtown DC where the RFK site
is now, by the way, the stadium is getting demolished
in about a year. I think no matter what, So
if you're able to do that. I didn't put that

(23:12):
out on Twitter. I was like, if you was a
Redskins fan, have to deal with the Redskins changing their name,
but getting a new stadium, what you take it? And
most people were willing to accept that. And I was
sold a few months ago too that they were talking
to Amazon and their ultimate goal was Amazon Fields at RFK.
But they've had a lot of hang ups and shocking
it's dc a lot of politics involved with this too.
But if this name change were to happen, there's a

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very good chance they could go back to that site
build a new stadium, and then a lot of people
would say, all right, you changed the name, but the
stadium is beautiful and I'm happy again. It's It's amazing
what a new, beautiful stadium can do for a lot
of fans, because nobody shows up to the one right now,
so they'd love to go to a new one. I've
bet I got nick, I got two quick options for

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name changes. Tell me which one that you like the best.
I floated out the Washington Valor or the or keeping
the colors the same, all of that, and then just
going with the hogs or something like that, because that's
what they were known for in the in the in
the eighties of John Riggins all of that, Like, wouldn't

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that be an awesome name as well? I think there's
a chance that people would accept that you really do
have to keep the colors, and that's you know. I
put out the name Washington Valor because that was the
Arena League team that we had for like two years,
and I just love the name. But they were red,
white and blue. You can't you can't really change the
colors from Bernie and Gold. People love them. So hogs
would be something people have thrown around warriors, which is

(24:37):
kind of boring to me, But you could kind of
keep some of the stuff that you have in terms
of the colors, and maybe the way some of the
logo could change a little bit, the red tails, which
is like those those fighter planes from like World War Two.
The thing with these names is people throughout a ton
of different ones, and it always sounds weird because you're
used to the name that it is. But I think
people at least want to keep the colors and that

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will help a little bit. He's Nick Cash you NBC
Sports Washington and one of six point seven the Fan.
Find him on Twitter at nick ash You Nick, great
to talk to you again, have a grade fourth. Thanks
for having me. Guys. This is the Doug Gotlin Show
on Fox Sports Radio. He's George Rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer.
I would imagine in your career you've been able to
attend games in a suite. Is that is that correct? Yes?

(25:21):
I yes, I have. I don't love sitting there though.
Oh really all right, why is that? Well? If it
is a football game, yes, put me in the suite,
because well, actually, actually say, if it's a professional football game,
put me in the suite. If it's a college football
game that I'm not necessarily emotionally invested in, put me
in a suite. If it's the Ducks, put me about
ten rows up at the fifty, I'm I'm there. But um,

(25:46):
but for basketball especially, I mean, but for sports in general,
like I like to be kind of in the mix
when I'm watching the game. But if it's like a
social thing, then you have put put me in a suite.
It's comfortable, there's food there, like it's a environment. I've
been fortunate enough to, you know, to be in a
suite for l A King's game and a few Dodger games.
But the Dodger game is tricky. And I'm just gonna

(26:08):
bring up this point when we were the first ones
in the suite prior to the game, because listen, I'm
not showing up late to a game. If we have
a suite, I am taking full advantage of that opportunity.
So you walk in and you don't like, we don't
have the It's it's me, my wife and it was
my cousin who was with me at the time. And

(26:30):
we walk in and we know it's not just the
three of us that there are other tickets, but there
is one hot dog per person on the hot dog
thing that they have in the suite. But we're the
first ones there, and you're like, man, you know, do
do you eat too? And then just let somebody else,
you know, have to deal with them not having enough

(26:51):
hot dogs. It was such a decision, a tough decision
to make, and I can say we took the Hiero
George where these pre buned hot dogs. Yeah, they're they're
like like in the sweet you know, like how you
would have them like got a little roller that would
you know, keep them warmer like cook them there. That's yeah,
that's what youah in the in in the little silver

(27:12):
thing with the Yeah, yeah that's what. Well, here's only
twelve of them, and I'm like these, there's twelve seats
in the you know in the sweets. Oh okay, So
from my experience with that, okay, it's not normally one
hot dog per person. That's usually all that will fit
on the on the thing, and they'll bring you more

(27:34):
hot dogs. Like hot hot dogs aren't something that they're
gonna like be, you know, skimp skimping on. It's the
carrot cake on the dessert car cheesecake there. That's where
they hit you. Didn't, man, I didn't want to. I
didn't want to ruin anybody's night by being like, oh,
we're out of hot dogs. You know. See you are
a good guy. You can come over to my house
anytime because you are. Um. But that also we'll see.

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And then here's the other thing about it is if
I'm the person paying for the sweet then I feel
like this may be wrong, but I feel like I
have liberties to to indulge in as much of what
I want of whatever thing. If I want four hot
dogs and there's only twelve. I'm eating four hot dogs.

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I paid for this, you know what I mean? Yes, yes,
I agree with that. I agree with that wholeheartedly. I
was not paying for the sweet obviously, so I I
stayed in my in my spot, I played my role. Yeah.
I was at an Oregon game, Oregon versus Arizona last
football season. I was in, uh, somebody's sweet. And because

(28:44):
I had the baby there my wife, he was only
what six months old at the time, So we're not
sitting out there in November in a game, So we're
sitting in the sweet. And and when you come into
somebody else's sweet, there's a few things that you have
to learn, Like there's a few piece key pieces of information.

(29:05):
Number One, who sweet it is? It? Is it? I?
Is it a company suite or is it a personal suite.
If it's a personal suite, you must be introduced and
introduce yourself to that person if you were an invited guest.
And then the second thing is find out where that
person's seat is. The way you don't be the jerk
that sits in the in the man who's right in

(29:26):
the check seat. Don't do that. I didn't realize that
there are all these things that Todger Stadium and they
have like it's like a tier, like you know, there's
like a bottom tier and a top tier for the
seats that go out through the field, and then you
have the couches inside. But they were all the same.
But yeah, I didn't realize that there was there was
a hierarchy. That makes a lot of sense though in

(29:48):
regards to trying to figure out, um, how a suite
doesn't work. I know we're gonna talk about Mike Gundhy,
but this this sweet stuff is is is more is
kind of take in our whole thing. And and I've
I mean, I don't know if I don't know if
I cheer the same way in a site. No, you know,

(30:09):
like dude, there's a you gotta be a tabbit cooler
in a suite, like it is like that's not where
the die hard fans are. Well actually actually in college
football they still get a little bit excited, but it's
not the same. It's not the same ruck is And
also when you when you think about it, even Okay,

(30:30):
there's two different levels of commitment in life, right there
is people who would say that the people who are
buying the suits, they're oftentimes big time donors that they're
making a serious commitment to the university, right, but they're
not quite committed enough to sit down in the elements
and get rained upon, right and snowed upon and sit

(30:53):
out there in freezing cold weather. So which commitment is
more commendable to you? I'll tell you what. If it
wasn't for those donors, there may not be seats um
for or or you wouldn't even want to go to
the football games that you would be watching. So um,
I hate to say it, George, but I think money talks.

(31:13):
For as much as I want to stand up for
the die hards, um, the money talks. Heck, we see
it in arenas, you know, the the the ability for
your sweet or for your arena to have the sweets
necessary to UH to be competitive. Yeah, it's a real thing.
So I hate to say it. I know the diehards

(31:34):
may battle the opposing kicker, but without those donors, you
aren't even going to the football games. Because your team's
two and nine and in the bottom of your conference.
You are totally wrong because because you think, okay, wait
a secon your school has the biggest donor of all time,

(31:56):
and you're trying to tell me that it's the students
that may Oregon foot I didn't. I didn't. I didn't
say the students. I didn't say the students because the
students they get free tickets. I'm talking about the people
who buy season tickets from the community and show up
to the games. I I would say that they're equally
as as important. But I'm not talking about just Phil

(32:18):
Knight himself. I'm talking about the the arrest of the donors.
Even though Pet Kilkenny, there's a whole bunch of other
guys who are huge, particularly at the University of Oregon.
But if it's not for those die hard fans, like
those fans that like actually get false starts, like there
isn't even room for that big time donor, like the

(32:42):
like the everyday man are is needed even more than
the big donor, because those are the people that show
up at like Nebraska, who keep Nebraska sold out for
twenty straight years despite them having terrible years, Like those
are the people that build the program, the legacy and

(33:02):
the family, like like where it's ingrained in you were, Like,
my whole family is Oregon Duck fans. My kids are
Duck fans. My my parents, and that goes down from
generation and generation. And I think that that's built with
the everyman and not built with the big conglomerate, you know,
the big time donor. I think that they're I think

(33:23):
that there are fan bases across the states, but I
think in this world of college football, George, you gotta
have the cash to compete in it. I do agree
with you need the cash and plus um, you know,
I went through a school where students don't show up
to the middle of the second quarter if that, and
then they end up leaving by the fourth quarter to
go drink. So that that's so the student aspect of it. Yeah, Oregon.

(33:46):
I didn't realize that Oregon get students get free tickets
at Oregon. Yeah, really, hun Or or at least they
did when when when I was in school, all you
had to do was uh, have your student I D.
And you had to wait in line a lot of time.
They like they were waiting time for in line for
days for big games. Man. He's George Rice Stir. I'm

(34:08):
Dan Buyer. We disagree on that. We also may disagree
all about a world record that could be set tomorrow.
This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. It's all coming up
next year on Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific. This is the Doug
Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. He's George rice Stir.

(34:31):
I'm Dan Buyer sitting in for Doug on this day
before the fourth of July. We're gonna get to a
game in a second, but first we bring in Isaac
Lowankran for some big news from the association. Breaking news
from Fox Sports. Sean's Erranti has just reported that Indiana
Pacers star Victor Oladipo has decided to sit out the

(34:54):
resumed NBA season. Oladipo said, as a competitor and teammate,
this is tearing me apart, but I truly believe continuing
on the course I'm on and getting fully healthy for
the one season is the right decision for me. And
some more NBA news just coming in as we speak
to Miami Herald just reporting that the Miami Heat has

(35:15):
now closed its practice facility after a second player has
tested positive for the coronavirus Dannon. George appreciated Isaac Oladipo
returned to play thirteen games prior to the coronavirus shutdown
as he had that quad uh muscle injury that was
pretty significant. George, but this isn't a Bradley Beal deciding

(35:37):
if I want to play for the ninth seated Wizards.
Pacers were locked in at that five seed in the East.
Maybe could have done a little better, and now they're
not gonna have one of their biggest pieces. So I don't,
I don't. I don't like it. I don't like it.
I don't like it at all. Like I get that,
But at at the same time, you do have a choice.

(35:59):
I don't necessarily like his his decision, but it's his decision.
I would not if fit were to me, not a
risk to me and or my or my family, I
would be playing. And but just to say I want
to focus on next season when you were just coming
out and playing, I'm not down with that. But if

(36:22):
he were having some sort of setback or something like
like that, if he were concerned, then yes, I'm all
in for people making their own choices about their their life.
But just as whole, I'm just gonna focus on next season.
Sounds like not very competitive to me. Speaking of looking ahead,
let's play a game. This is game time on the

(36:48):
Doug Gottlieb Show. We welcome back in Isaaclanchron. After that
thirty seven second break, we gave him what is the
game today? All right? I have a feeling I know psychic.
I was right only fitting you were psychic and you
didn't even know it because you were talking about hot
dog eating in the previous segment. Well, that's our first

(37:09):
item here. Because the annual Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest
is going to take place tomorrow from Coney Island. Joey Chestnut,
who has won the contest twelve times previously, believes that
tomorrow he is going to set a new world record. Now,
if you can understand his rationale, you're a better person

(37:30):
than me. Here's what he says. There's a little bit
of a bonus because we're going to be eating in
air conditioning, and they're less eaters, so they're making less
hot dogs, so they might taste better. There's a good
chance that we might have better conditions for a world record,
and I'm going to be pushing for it. I have

(37:50):
no idea what he means by any of that. But psychics,
will Joey Chestnut break his own world record tomorrow of
eating seventy four hot dogs in ten minutes? George? I
I will. I will say yes. I think it goes
down tomorrow. It's favorable conditions, as he says, I'm all
for Joey Chestnut breaking the record, but it'll be with

(38:11):
an asterisk because of the conditions that they're eating in.
Oh dude, you just took my point. I agree with you, Dan.
He has to have an asterisk because he's getting some
sort of competitive advantage. And he admitted it. Yes, he
breaks the world will record. But if a tree falls
in the force and nobody's there to see it, did

(38:31):
you really care? Oh? Man? Alright, what else? I'm sure
Chestnut will relish the challenge? Alright. Finally, guys, the NFL
Player's Association recommended not playing any preseason games prior to
the season. The NFL currently has the position that they
want to play only two. So, psychics, how many preseason

(38:52):
games will there officially be this summer? George? How many
do you see? Zero? There will be zero the same
number or that there should actually be, or one at
the most. I don't even know why the Players Association
when they did the new CBA allowed four preseason games
to still remain. Well, if there aren't any preseason games,
they're gonna have to play catchup. There was a hot

(39:13):
dog pun that. That's what it was from the previous story,
just so I could use a catchup phrase. Heyme, this
is game time on the Duck Gottlieb Show. Hey make
no buttons about it or bones about it. There could

(39:36):
be a big thing missing in our sports lives coming
up in the fall. He's George Rice Stir. I'm Dan buyer.
What's gonna be missing? We'll tell you next year on Fox.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.

(39:56):
So the NFL Players Association doesn't want any preseason games,
the NFL owners may want to. I know where there
won't be preseason games. That's in college football because all
of the game's count now. The question is when will
those games that count actually be played. George is a
six year NFL VET. Also played collegiately at ore Agon,

(40:18):
which is in the Pac twelve Conference, and George there's
some news coming from PAC twelve commissioner Larry Scott, who
we will hear from in a second, as he spoke
with the inside the n C double a Twitter account
talking about fall football. But this is this is a
a conversation that's gone on recently. You've had leagues now

(40:39):
like the IVY League trying to be possibly proactive and
in maybe making plans. We should find out next week
if they're going to have a spring football season instead
of a fall football season. But with this recent spike
in coronavirus cases across the country's put a little bit
more doubt in my mind on how college football, or

(41:01):
college football as we know it could be played. Oh
now you're coming along to finally, Dan, Finally you have arrived.
I have been saying this. I want college football more
than anything there is in football in general. Love it.
But the reality that we're facing is is that this

(41:21):
is not a situation that looks very likely at this point.
And we're more likely to see football in in spring
slash April than we are in the fall. And it's
for that's your opinion, that we're gonna see it's more
likely in the spring that it is. The fall. Yes, absolutely,

(41:43):
because of what you just mentioned about the IVY League.
So the IVY League talked about one of their contingency
their main contingency plans is to move football from the
fall into April or the springtime or the springtime. And remember,
the IVY League, the same people who in UH in

(42:07):
the in the February beginning of March said that they
were going to UH skip their conference tournament, and then
a couple of days later that they weren't even gonna
send a team to the n C Double A tournament
because of the the coronavirus. And then everybody's saying they're overreacting,
they're overreacting. A couple of weeks later, March thirteenth, everything

(42:29):
shut down. The IVY League was ahead of the curve
because they had the a They are some of the
brightest minds and one of the some of the best
research hospitals, not just in the United States in the world.
They have some of the best epidemiologists, the scientists, all
of this stuff working there at the university, so they

(42:50):
have its UH special knowledge. And then you fast forward
to them saying now that they may move football back
to the spring. The IVY league's dan. They don't have
a vested interests into in terms of financially with sports
the same way that uh Power five universities do, so

(43:13):
they can make objective decisions about whether they should play
sports or not based upon whether it's a health issue,
a second wave or anything like that is objective, the
same as just rather being safe than sorry, because that's

(43:33):
what to me seems like where these Power five schools,
with these athletic department budgets, they're the ones that really
have to take a look and say, okay, we kind
of need football to support the other sports. And we've
seen schools have to eliminate sports because of coronavirus shutdown.

(43:54):
And now if you don't have a football season or
a football season like you normally would, there's even gonna
be more decisions having to be made withinside that athletic department,
where maybe the IVY League doesn't have that opportunity. That's
why I'm not sure if it's objective more than they

(44:15):
have less to lose than these Power five Well, if
if if you aren't needing sports for your financial solvency,
then that's what I say. That means that you can
make an objective decision because you're not saying we need
this money to support everything else. You're saying, no, uh no,

(44:37):
we we can make an objective choice. And the IVY
League is not the only people that are kind of
seeing the writing on the wall. We've already seen the
South Carolina governor, the governor of South Carolina where Clemson
and South Carolina are um U S E U s

(44:58):
E East are say that he would be willing to
shut down football and may have to based upon the
coronavirus numbers and the whole idea of the student athlete
and all of that. And also you have packed with
that affects the A, C, C and the SEC. And
then you have Larry Scott who came out and said this,

(45:23):
one of the threshold considerations will have to make as
we think about fall sports coming up is whether we
stick with the traditional approach that we're either all moving
forward together or none of us are moving forward together,
whether that's within the league, within the FBS Division one,
or whether this is such a unique situation with really

(45:46):
varied experiences and situations at our campuses that there might
be some where there's broad populations of students on our
campuses and we can compete in college athletics, and there
might be somewhere we can't. That's a big deal. Dance. Well,
you know, there's a lot of logistics having to deal

(46:06):
with with this. I do think it's the conversation about
students is one George that I haven't necessarily grasped for
the sake of I do believe in technology and how
technology and how classes more and more you can you
can take classes online. But you know, as a football player,

(46:29):
and I don't know what the system was at Oregon.
I know, you know, just down the road from US
at u c l A, you're in a quarter system,
so you're maybe not starting classes until late September, where
the college football season is already a month in and
students haven't been on campus. I don't the the the connection.
I'm you know, I'm saying to myself, Okay, well what's

(46:51):
you know, what's the difference if if they just don't return,
it's I mean, football is being played during this time.
I also think that when you go to the to
look at the geographic situations of these schools. I'm a
Big ten guy, I'm from Big ten country. I know
what February weather is, and so when you want to

(47:13):
talk about having like a spring season, it's different than
late November, like winter usually hasn't arrived at that point,
and now you're gonna be playing football in February or
possibly in March, in the April. I just think logistics wise,
and and Penn States a d said spring football to
have the the season in the spring is their last resort.

(47:37):
I just don't think it's just as easy of like, oh,
we'll play in the spring and we'll make up our
money that way. I just I don't think it's that easy.
And that's why I just don't think that it's on
the horizon for college football. Well, the first thing is
where you said the whole student athlete thing, I'm sorry,
the whole students on campus. The problem with saying, okay,

(47:57):
well the quarter system, like the school you went to,
Organs on the quarter system, as okay, you'll you'll, you'll
play three or four games before the season even starts,
like I was used to that. The problem with it
is if you are saying that it's not safe enough

(48:18):
for the student body population to be on campus, why
is it smart enough. Why is it okay for athletes
to be on campus and you aren't. And yeah, just
to pump money in though the school pay salaries all
that when they are not paid employees. That's the issue

(48:41):
because it goes back to the whole UH debate about amateurism. Oh,
these are college guys. They're about their students first, they
shouldn't be paid all of this. Well, you can ask
professionals to make uh sacrifices in terms of their health
well being because they're well paid in their entertainers. But

(49:03):
if you're gonna say that these are student athletes and
students first, but it's not safe enough for students to
be on campus too. Clearly some schools believe that. USC
just came out and said they're doing online classes in
the fall. So if it's not safe enough for the students,
how is it safe enough for the student athletes. That's
fair point. It's very fair point, you know, and and

(49:25):
and looking at it at that way, there there is
legitimacy there. I would say, as a football player, as
you are playing and listen to a majority of them,
a large majority of them are not gonna be going
to the next level and playing in the National Football League.
They're going to have a different life outside of football
when they play. It would probably make the campus situation

(49:46):
much easier to navigate if there are other students on
there if you want to, you know, be safer in
that in that essence of of having it. I just
I I think that there are a lot of logistics
X that are just not I mean, you know, there
are two money makers in sports. In collegiate sports, usually

(50:08):
there are some athletic departments that that differ. Maybe in
the maybe in the Southeast, baseball makes a little bit more. Uh,
maybe the hockey program at a school is popular. Maybe
like at Yukon, the women's basketball team is a moneymaker,
but it's football the majority. You hope to make some
money on men's basketball, which most schools do, and then
you're kind of in the red with everything else. And

(50:30):
so now if you have a college football season, George,
and you're covering up the college basketball season which just
had to end their season, you know, I know there's
gonna be like financial hits, but I just I think
that there's just a lot of stuff that would be
I know they're trying to make the best of a
bad situation, but it's just not as easy for me
to think like Hey, you're gonna take this season and

(50:52):
move it to the fall and then start March one
and be done on you know, May fifteen. I mean,
if I'm Trevor Lawrence or I'm Justin Fields, I'm not
playing spring football. You know, there's absolutely so if I'm
Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields and I'm protected to be
a top ten pick, you move football back. You you will,

(51:14):
you will. The next time you see me will be
in the NFL uniform. But there, I mean, there's no
point in them to do that. There's only increased risk
and the and the and I do agree with you
Dan about that. You can't just say, oh, let's moving
back to spring. No, no, no problem. I do think
that there is like you're in an untenable situation because

(51:36):
playing football in the fall also means that now you're
dealing with roster issues and how are you gonna deal
if if a if a player tests positive and then
in your quarterback room test positive, how do you how
do you do that? And then it comes in a
risk of of tolerance because the amount of the amount

(51:59):
of student athletes that so there are seventy three thousand
college football players in in the nation each year, each school?
What is the risk tolerance for a school for somebody
even though the chances of what we know right now
of young kids eighteen to twenty two getting sick or

(52:22):
dying from the coronavirus is very low. So but but
what's your tolerance if you are a school for not
even somebody dying, because that tolerance has to be zero.
But overall, what is the tolerance for somebody actually getting
sick and not dying? Because that will cost you a
fortune in litigation. You're gonna have class action lawsuits people

(52:47):
of faking symptoms. You're gonna have I mean, there's gonna
be a range of of economic issues that you're gonna
have to deal with that they're trying to avoid. And
right now, I just don't know what the ants there is.
But playing football in the in the fall looks very unlikely.
As the South Carolina governor to pack twelve USC cutting

(53:10):
off in person classes, this could be a problem going forward.
It's you know we're talked about We started off the
show talking about the Redskins name change and how I
I feel that things really have changed in the last
two months, and mean, things have changed so much in
the last two weeks with coronavirus um for for the

(53:31):
spike that we had seen. I I think that George,
we were hopeful. We were hopeful. Um, I think everybody
was hoping, no matter what side you were. I don't
think anybody wanted this to stick around. I don't think
that anybody who wears a masks versus someone who doesn't
want to wear a mask, I still think that those
people are hopeful that this thing goes away or or

(53:51):
isn't there. The issue now is I don't know if
we're two weeks ago, if we're sitting here having this conversation,
I think that this is so far off in the
horizon that it's not even we're thinking, all right, you know,
we saw we heard Jeane Smith of Ohio State at
the a D saying, you know, a month or two ago,
five to fifty and then we're like, okay, maybe there

(54:13):
won't be fans or not. But what's scary is that
now the spring has been brought up in these last
two weeks, and as a football fan, it's it's right
around the corner. I mean, we're on July three, August three,
you know, guys are sitting there on the football field
getting ready for the start of their season. So decisions
have to be made. They have to be made soon.
Think about this, Dad. They the n c double A

(54:36):
put out a thing that said that they were gonna
have six weeks to ramp up for players to work out,
that they needed that to make sure that they were
injury prevention guys to get back in shape. You've already
had multiple colleges shut down their workouts because they've had
so many positive tests and some of the people are symptomatic.
So now you're not even gonna have that six week

(54:58):
ramp up, which is the just another part of the issue.
And people will tell you all day. You'll you'll you'll
have people telling, well, these kids are more likely to
die in a car crash. Yeah, but what is your
risk tolerance? Like you already like you assume certain risks
when you get in the car, you assume certain risks
when you go play football. You you you could get injured,

(55:20):
you could die, you could all of these things from
certain things. But to add additional risks to that isn't
that we don't know the long term effects of and
you can't even prep people for because you don't know
there lies the rub with all of this. This is

(55:43):
the The Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. He's George
rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer. Sorry, just had something in
my ear. I heads up. You won't want to miss this.
Bob Nightingale of the USA Today is going to join us.
Because we are sitting here talking about college football. There
is a very very big name in Major League Baseball
that may not play in the short and sixty game season.

(56:04):
We're gonna talk with Bob later on in the show.
Get George on Twitter at George rice Stir. I'm at
Dan Buyer on Fox. Coming up next, could Antonio Brown
return to the National Football League if there is a
season in We have that answer next year on Fox
Sports Radio. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three pm Easter

(56:27):
noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. He's George rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer. Rolling
along on this Friday, the day before the fourth of
July holiday. Glad to have you in. We're gonna check
in with Bob Nightingale Tompa next hour, so five o'clock
Eastern time, too Pacific. To get the latest on Major
League Baseball, and we'll find more out about that player

(56:49):
big big name player who may not take part in
the sixty game schedule. Plus coming up after Isaac Loencron
gives us the latest at the bottom of the hour,
we'll check out the new deal that Mike Gundie has
at Oklahoma State. But I want to talk to NFL
and George. I don't know if Chad Johnson is the
one to blame for this, but the former Bengals wide

(57:09):
receiver tweeting out yesterday a b to the Texans Antonio
Brown to the Houston Texans got everyone's attention, including that
of Texans quarterback DeShawn Watson, who we know wasn't happy
when the team trended DeAndre Hopkins to the Cardinals this
time around, though, Watson sure seemed interested in Johnson's tweet
by retweeting with a comment in that comment was just

(57:31):
a picture of Drake sitting in the back of a
vehicle with his window down in response to his Drake
lyrics that he also put out when the team treated
DeAndre Hopkins. So Abe to the Texans became a thing
over the last twenty four hours. I don't know why
it is a thing, but there are fewer organizations that
I could see Antonio Brown working in UM than the

(57:55):
the Houston Texans. I just I don't see it. They've
already got a bunch of wide receivers and I know
that Antonio Brown maybe better than all of them, but
he comes with a huge amount of baggage. There's also
the likelihood that he will be suspended for a certain
amount of games. And one of the narratives that we
have heard from this DeAndre Hopkins trade is that now

(58:17):
is the opportunity for Deshaun Watson to really come out
and be the quarterback who can evolve into the All Pro,
first team All Pro NFL quarterback, getting everyone involved, shouldering
so much of the load and maybe not relying so
much on DeAndre Hopkins. I just think that Antonio Brown
would mess up so many things with the Texans, and

(58:41):
I don't know how his relationship would work with with
Bill O'Brien. I just don't see a b two the
Texans at all. No, No, the only way that he
ends up with the Texans is if Bill O'Brien is
trying to make up if Deshaun Watson he's he's like, alright, alright, alright, look,

(59:04):
look I traded away our second best or could have
potentially been our best wide receiver in franchise history, but
behind Andre Johnson and DeAndre Hopkins. Trading him away. Good
guy doesn't make waves, show him up on time, no
matter who's the quarterback, he produces all this stuff, Trade

(59:26):
trade him away. The only way that they bring in
a B is if he's trying to make up for that.
But that doesn't even make sense to me because you're
bringing in a guy in a B who in the
previous stop before in New England, he was not exactly
uh good with the Raiders. That whole situation didn't handle

(59:47):
that properly at all in any way, shape, form or fashion.
So you're gonna bring in a guy who you made
or are, aren't a hundred percent sure that he's gonna
show up to the building every single day, even though
I do believe that he'll do a good job now,
but there's no guarantee like it was for him, like
it was with DeAndre Hopkins, that he's gonna show up,

(01:00:08):
do all the right things, say all the right things
even when it's hard. So it makes no sense. That's
why I think the most likely scenario for Antonio Brown
is to go to the guy he was working out
with the other day, which is Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson
is a leader. He can say, he's like when you
brought up Antonio Brown in with Tom Brady, where he

(01:00:31):
can he's got a bigger ego. Well, he's got a
bigger personality, a bigger paycheck, bigger everything. And he can say, look, brother,
either if you come on here you made you either
get with the program or you get the hell out.
And that's what they did in New England. He was
with the program. He did wasn't honest about the litigation
that was potentially happening. That's why he had to get cut.

(01:00:55):
But with Seattle, they would say, look, man, if you
coming on this ship, we're not giving you guaranteed money.
We'll give you all the incentives that you want in
the world, but this is going to be a pay
for play situation. You show up and play, you get
your money. You don't show up and play cause problems,
get the hell out. The the idea of Antonio Brown

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in a Seahawks uniform and and let's be honest here
It's known. I'm a huge Seahawks fan, have been since
I was seven years old. So the idea of Antonio
Brown and the Seahawks uniform, uh, six months ago, maybe
it wasn't the greatest thought process, even when it was
talked about of you know what Pete Carroll had, you know,
contact and and maybe some interest in trying to do

(01:01:44):
a trade with the Raiders. When the Patriots ended up
doing then mid season, Pete Carroll's like, no, that wasn't
wasn't gonna happen. Now when you see the video that
you mentioned, and George, when you actually look at what
the Seahawks did this offseason, where John Schneider has been
very shrewd in their moves. They deal with contracts a

(01:02:06):
certain way, but they also aren't afraid to make a splash.
Greg Olsen was really the team's biggest move that they
made this offseason. Adding the tight end, the veteran tight
end who may have a year or two left in
his career. That's it. Remember this is the team that
traded for Jadeveon Clowney prior to the start of last season.

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This is also a team that once brought in Percy
Harvin as a key member of the organization even with
his past issues and they had issues in Seattle, and
and while it didn't work out for them, he was
a part of the Super Bowl winning team to return
to kick in the Super Bowl. The point is is
John Schneider is not afraid to make a splash, and

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he's also not afraid to make a deal for someone
that maybe people wouldn't think would fit or could work
and the whole thing. Russell Wilson is one of what
I believe four quarterbacks that I'm Tonio Brown could play
for in the National Football League. The twenty eight others
I don't think so. I think it's Brady, which we saw.
I think Breeze in New Orleans, Rogers and Green Bay

(01:03:10):
and Russell Wilson in Seattle would be the only quarterbacks
that he would play for. And so now you take
that aspect, you take the ability of John Schneider willing
to make a move. I really think for a team
that has kind of been hovering around and and and
and letting Russell Wilson try to do a lot of
the heavy lifting when they're in bad spots, this would

(01:03:31):
be a huge move. And as a Seahawks fan, even
if Antonio Brown misses eight games or has to sit
out the first half of the season, to have him
for the end I think would be a monumental plus
to improve Seattle's chances of going to the super Bowl.
They need to make a splash like this, even with
everything around Antonio Brown, because there's only so many times

(01:03:52):
you get chances at Super Bowls. This offseason hasn't been
the best for them. They're still waiting on Jadevian Clowney too.
Maybe lower his his price, and that still may not
be enough. This to me, fits like a Seahawks sort
of thing. A by to the Seahawks is a much
more realistic thing than a by to the Texans. I
got some numbers for you, all right, Let's hear him

(01:04:14):
eight four six, nine thousand and sixty seven. Those are
those are that sounds like a lottery ticket when you
realize what it is. Number eighty four his last six
full seasons, over nine thousand yards, sixty seven touchdowns. That

(01:04:36):
sounds like a lottery ticket for the Seattle Seahawks and
for Russell Wilson. So that's why you take a flyer
on that. And Bill O'Brien granted that would be a
good move for him. But we can't listen to Chad
Johnson in turns because he hasn't broken much news, so
it's not like we're getting the insider information that that

(01:04:58):
may be where he wants to see him. But no,
remember the Ojo Sinko network. What was that? Yeah? Oo,
the Ojo sink the o c in in I believe
not not to be confused with yeah or CNN, uh
not at all, but yeah, I just don't see the Texans. Plus,

(01:05:18):
the Seahawks defense stinks right now. I mean they really
they can't get after the quarterback. They know that they
brought Bruce Irvin in and they brought some other guys,
but they have a real issue when they let when
they traded Frank Clark to the Chiefs of getting after
the quarterback. So what do you do? And well, if
you're not going to get someone to get the quarterback,
you better be scoring a lot of points exactly. That's

(01:05:40):
what the Kansas City Chiefs model. Because if at the
beginning of last season, the Kansas City Chiefs defense stunk
out loud m and then they ended up they got better,
made some moves and won a Super Bowl easy. They
got Frank Clark from the Seahawks. Yeah, yeah, there's your
You're gonna need the points or you're gonna have to

(01:06:01):
have Chris Carson run the ball and at the time
of possession to be about forty six minutes for every
single game. He's George Rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer. This
is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. The
question is, you know, as Mike Leach was headposed to him, Uh,
he thought what Mario Krista Ball was going to be
was was him and Kyle Winningham were the two toughest

(01:06:22):
packed twelve coaches. Remember that, George, when when Leech when
he was at Washington State last year was asked like
who would win in like a fight, and I think
he took he took Kristin Ball, and I think he
took Kyle Whittingham. But if you expanded it nationally to
a coaching brawl, Uh, yeah, coach, I would have to
be he would have to be one of the top
you know, one or two seeds once you think, I

(01:06:44):
mean I would have to put it. Yeah, I would
have to put but behind christ the ball, and yeah,
he he'd be a top four or or or five
seed for for sure, because Kristin Ball and Whittingham, they
would be probably the one in two seeds. I would
just be I'm actually I would have been concerned about

(01:07:07):
his stamina, about ed oderon stamina. I know that he
would get to fire it up. He'd be good for
about half of a round, but then after that he
he would have fallen up, falling apart. But now that
he's training, he'll be good. Well, I don't think everybody
would take my Gundy in these fights. Mike Gundy in
the news getting a new contract from Oklahoma State and
it's not an extension. Gundy taking a pay cut, according

(01:07:31):
to athletic director Mike Holder, a one million dollar pay cut.
Also had his contract amended in various spots as he
will remain as the head coach at Oklahoma State. The
the statement released by the school saying that they found
uh no issues with Gundy in terms of UH in

(01:07:53):
terms of race, but saying that he has to develop
a better rapport, if you will, with the players. But still,
Mike Gundy takeing a million dollar pay cut, and that's
what I don't understand. If nothing was was found that
he did wrong or there were violations made, then why
is he taking, according to holder, a voluntary pay cut.

(01:08:14):
I don't I don't understand why one thing doesn't happen,
but then there is a consequence to it. Is there
any reason why you would think Mike Gundy would have
a million dollars lesson pay each season in his contract
and having these other stipulations of of a buyout being
trimmed and other guarantees. I I just I'm having a

(01:08:37):
tough time reading this. George. A year ago, they he
just got an extension to three, gave him a hundred
and twenty five thousand dollar raise and added years like
five he was making. So now he was gonna make
five point one to five million dollars. Well, that that's

(01:08:58):
what he's made for the season. He is gonna make
even more than that for the season. So why on
earth would you take a pay cut following an investigation
about some possible racist stuff going on in your um
and with within your team and the culture and all
of that, And the results of it were that the

(01:09:19):
university's quote unquote independent people inside the university said that
he just needs to have a better relationship with his players.
So if all you need is a better relationship with
your players. Why on earth are you taking a million
dollar pay cut, lowering your lowering the school's guaranteed money

(01:09:40):
to you. So and what works is so coaches contracts
like a big time coaches, they're usually in between seventy
five and their contract is guaranteed if they get fired.
He lowered that from seventy five percent to and cut

(01:10:02):
the years down from five to four years. That means
that it makes the school a lot easier to get
rid of him. I believe then that had it not
been for the pandemic, they would have fired Mike Gundhi.
We don't know, because at the end of the day,
you have to be able to recruit. If optics are

(01:10:24):
bad about you and your program, you can't recruit because
that's the life blood. And if there was nothing there
my mind, he may not have been calling people the
N word, may have not been doing all of this stuff,
but it could have been some stuff, some unsavory, some
below board things going on that they found and they're like, oh,
we're in the middle of a pandemic. We can't fire

(01:10:47):
him because it's gonna cost us. Because it's not necessarily true.
Things that give you with costs, So we're gonna have
to pay him out all this money through and then
to get another coach we have to steal someone from
somewhere else, pay there, buy out, give him a huge
contract during a pandemic when we're not sure about money. No,

(01:11:08):
he will be gone after this year though, really, because
this is this is how I this is how I
would have viewed this. This situation is if if Mike
Gundy was gonna take a million dollars less in his
contract and not gonna have it was a rollover contract
where each year would have another year added on, and
that is no longer the case. Now He's just got

(01:11:30):
uh four years left on his contract and if there
is an extension, they'll have to deal with that another time.
What I would have done, George or in the statement
to say we didn't find anything wrong. Mike Gundy was
humble and remorseful and promises to have a better relationship
with his players. In doing so, he's donating one million
dollars of his salary to such such fund to you know,

(01:11:54):
help the African American community, or help the the students
at Oklahoma State or some way. Don't take a pay cut,
take the money, donate it somewhere else, and make it
a make it part of the mission. To me, this
sounds like and I think what what you're saying is
this makes it a lot easier to fire him, and

(01:12:14):
that that firing could be coming in the next you know,
six or seven months. If if that's how you're reading things,
I just look at it this way of make him pay,
make him realize, but make him put his money where
his mouth is, because I'm just getting two different messages
from Oklahoma State of saying like, we didn't find anything
seriously wrong. We talked to a lot of players. He

(01:12:34):
just needs to do a better job, but we're gonna
dock you for this. It doesn't make any sense. The
money should be going to towards a different mission or
or or in some place. It also seems like it's
saving Oklahoma State money when they may have to cut
it from the athletic budget anyway because of the pandemic.
When coaches are taking pay cuts, it just it doesn't
add up. One and one isn't equaling too. You see

(01:12:56):
a firing. I don't know if it's gonna be a firing.
I just think that they could have done a lot
better in in trying to trying to take this this
wrong and putting in a positive situation. And I just
I think they failed in that aspect. Yeah. And the
reason why I think that the firing will happen not
just because of all this stuff, him continuously putting his
foot in his mouth, not being able to recruit that

(01:13:18):
at the highest levels like they want. It's the winning factor.
He's not one of the big He's not one of
the Big twelve. Hasn't gotten to the playoff for a
five million dollar coach. That is expected. It is expected
for you to at least bet the very least win
the conference at a five million dollar coach. Yeah, and

(01:13:38):
he has been flirting with the bottom of it, well,
the middle middling in the conference. This has not been
just Oklahoma State has not been excelling. And you don't
think of them as saying, oh wow, yet they're they're
a contender. No, he's George Rice to I'm Dan Buyer.
This is the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio One.
NBA Superstars thinks that the coronavirus layoff actually helped his

(01:14:02):
team's chances to win a title. We'll talk about that
next year. On Fox. Be sure to catch the live
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(01:14:22):
I'm at Dan Buyer on Fox. Doug's on him today
because Doug was in for Colin Cowherd earlier today on
The Herd on Fox Sports Radio. And we're gonna hear
from Doug right now. In a segment we like to
call Doug Wade in on the comments made by Anthony
Davis of the Los Angeles Lakers, with Davis saying that
he feels the Lakers have a better chance at winning

(01:14:43):
the title after they received rest following the coronavirus shutdown.
Here's Doug. We arrested, great, Anthony. You know the Clippers
got rested too, right, that same break that you that
chance to catch your breath, that chance to get your
body right. Everybody's got that. The question becomes who's taken

(01:15:05):
most advantage of it? And if the Lakers don't have
avery Bradley and the Clippers have Lou Williams, and they
were that close in terms of neck and neck, and
you added j R. Smith, who you could have added anyway,
and probably would have had it anyway. If they don't
add Dwight Howard, which is still a possibility. I don't
see how anybody would honestly say the Lakers are the

(01:15:27):
favorites simply because they had rest when the Clippers benefit equally,
if not more so, from the same amount of rest.
And I'll even add on to what Doug is saying,
George is I think that the the rest is fine,
named dandy, but when it comes to two games in
in a span of thirty six hours or however, the
playoffs are gonna sort out when you're not getting two
days rest between the NBA finals, that's the part that's

(01:15:49):
gonna catch up with the Lakers and the playoffs. In
my mind, it's not the three months off and everybody
else having it. It's what's gonna happen in those short
situations where you're not getting as much rest between the
games that I think could be more of an issue
for the Lakers than other teams in the association. Oh,
both you and Doug are wrong about this one. Okay,

(01:16:10):
So the the season is a is a marathon, so
all those early miles add up to the late miles.
And yes, the rest is important, and the Doug made
a good point. Everybody is rested, but which teams is
are the rest most important? Four I would say the

(01:16:32):
Clippers gotta got got a big boost because they were
injured and all of that. But you had Kawhi Leonard
and well, who's their biggest star. He was low managing
all seasons, so he was going to be rested already,
and stars win playoff series. You had had Lebron James

(01:16:52):
be banged up a little bit this this season. Growing
all of that, you you had Anthony Davis missed some time.
The out of the Clippers and the Lakers the team
the two of the three best players in that series
are on the Lakers, the number one and the number
three player in Anthony Davis and Lebron. So those are

(01:17:13):
the teams that benefit the most. And during the playoffs,
that little bit of rest two games in thirty six
hours or whatever, that's not quite as meaningful because you
have had all this time off, and the Rockets are
another team because James Harden is always tired at the
end of the year. Well, they may benefit from it,
but I just the Clippers are the fourth best player

(01:17:34):
then on the floor and Paul George, so I'm not
I'm not too worried about about the Clippers in that.
In that aspect, he's George Rice Stir. I'm Dan Buyer.
It's why I think the Bucks have an opportunity because
their bench goes deep. I think that they'll be able
to work it out. What Major League Baseball star could
be missing the season. We'll tell you next year on
Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch the live edition

(01:17:55):
of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio in the Heart
Radio app. Yeah, major League Baseball with their first round
of testing for coronavirus. And speaking of Major League Baseball,
Mike Trout isn't sure if you will play in Victor
Oladipo saying thanks, but no thanks to the upcoming NBA season,

(01:18:17):
But apparently he's gonna join the team in Orlando for
the next thirty minutes or so. We're talking hoops, we're
talking baseball. As both of those seasons trying to get
on track by the end of the month, George, and
there's just I mean you you could try to make
plans and and I will I will say this. I
was completely wrong when I made the comments in late

(01:18:41):
March in eight Pril at those times, saying that these
leagues should have plans to return even if the plants
don't work out, because now we're seeing a situation where
just when you think everything is is maybe getting on track,
now everything's seems to be off the tracks when it

(01:19:02):
comes to the spike in the coronavirus situations. Now we're
getting more testing, we're finding out where these players are.
I I apologize to those leagues because I am realizing
how just incredibly difficult it is to put this all together,
you know, because I'm saying, like, look, just make a
plan and if it doesn't work, that's okay. But now
I see why they can't even make a plan. You know,

(01:19:24):
people of anxiety sometimes are just frozen because there's so
much going on. And I'm not trying to make a
light of anxiety at all, because I think that we've
at least gone through situations where you're just like, oh
my gosh, my head is spinning. I don't even know
where to turn. But I think that's kind of where
the NBA and Major League Baseball are specifical, at least
with the NBA and finding out more and more about

(01:19:44):
what is going on and how they're gonna try to,
you know, go through these seasons. It's just a absolutely
crazy time. Yeah, it's crazy. It must be. It must
be incredibly difficult because here here's the thing that is
most important. Is I'm glad that you said that. You
realize that, because I realized it too. I was like,
hold up, you you It's like if you're trying to

(01:20:07):
operate your family and you say, okay, we're gonna make
a plan to go to Disneyland, okay, and you live
and and you live in California. This isn't like you're
living a whole different different states. You're like, I think
we're gonna go to Disneyland in two saturdays, okay, in
to a week from then. You find out that it's
gonna be a severe uh storm rolling rolling in. It's

(01:20:30):
easy to switch your plan up, but if you have,
you know, you're planning a family reunion from with two
people coming from different states, and you find out, a
thunderstorm is coming. You can't just cancel the family reunion.
You gotta rearrange stuff. And that's kind of like these
leagues is that they have to put out definitive statements.

(01:20:52):
They can't say, Okay, well it's changed this week, No,
it's changed next week. No, you have to Their leadership
has to have clear direct and choosing a path is
you know, like it has financial and you know, health
and all of this ramifications that you can't then undo
that easily. I'm I'm not saying that Mike Trout um

(01:21:16):
is the reason why major League Baseball shouldn't play. And
I bring up Mike Trout for this reason. Is that
Mike Trout, on a Zoom call prior to the Angels workout,
was asked about him playing this abbreviated season, saying, and
this is the words from trout quote, Honestly, I still
don't feel comfortable with the baby coming. There's a lot

(01:21:37):
of things on my mind. I'm trying to be the
safest and most constantly most cautious to get through the season.
It's going to be tough. So they're having daily conversation,
daily conversations on if the biggest or the best player
in Major League Baseball is going to play for the
upcoming season. And I look at the NBA and and

(01:21:57):
I've been critical a bit as well on the NBA's
decision and of having twenty two teams. I felt they
should only put the playoff teams in. And I see,
you know, Victor Oladipo calling it quits today saying I'm
not gonna, I'm not gonna resume the season. But specifically
with Bradley Beale, George, I'm just wondering, did the NBA
just not get a sense of the players that they

(01:22:18):
not speak with the players. Was this just ay, hey,
we got to talk to the union sort of thing
to make it to to make it fair for everyone,
because realistically, there's no reason for the Wizards to be
in Orlando if Bradley Beale isn't in Orlando, like I
understand coming back, yeah, yeah, like like like that to

(01:22:41):
me is something that if you're if you're Adam Silver
and you're the NBA. The Wizards right now are five
and a half games back of the Magic for the
final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference, and of course,
if you're within four games or less, you get to
be in that playoff situation, but the Wizards aren't even
within that window. At least the Pelicans and the Blazers

(01:23:02):
are in the Western Conference. So when it comes to
the Memphis Grizzlies in the eighth spot, like they just
put the Wizards in because they wanted to put another
team in, or you needed another team in and you
needed an even number of teams. I'm not even sure why,
but you have got to get the sense of your players.
And while Mike Trout not playing for Major League Baseball
wouldn't be a reason for them not to play a season,

(01:23:24):
I do think in the NBA like you needed to
find out if who is playing and who is not
playing and then get a real sense of how your
season is going to go, because otherwise now you're putting,
you know, the the twelve the fifteen Wizards players plus
the rest of their traveling party possibly at risk when
there's really not much to gain for them to even
be in Orlando if Bradley Beal is not gonna be there.

(01:23:45):
I just I wish that they could have at least
had these sort of discussions, because I don't think that
Bradley Beal was like, yeah, I'm gonna play and not
going to play. I assume he was probably pretty weary
about it throughout. The whole situation just doesn't make a
lot of sense to me. They needed to get player
feedback from from these players to find out their situations. Well,
just like the player feedback hate, everything can change from

(01:24:09):
day to day, because I think had you asked players
what they play three weeks ago, you would have had
more people saying that they were gonna play right like
than you are. As numbers continue to escalate in Florida
and their home states and all of that, and you
have people who were on the fence of saying, oh, heait,

(01:24:31):
hold up, I'm not wearing wearing a mask, I'm not
doing any of this, then there now saying oh, yeah,
this might never be a good idea, like let's put
on a mask. So I think it's very important to
note all of that. He's George roy Stir. I'm Dan
Buyer joining us now covering Major League Baseball from the
USA today, taking a few minutes to talk about the

(01:24:51):
numbers that just came out and also the Mic Trott
decision and so much more. Bob Nightingale joins us here
on the Dug Gotliep Show on Fox Sports Radio. Hey, Bob,
I just want to all you in. We didn't get
to the to the numbers that Major League Baseball had
with the coronavirus testing. We were talking though about Mike
Trout and the decision that he made. Would you be
surprised if Mike Trout doesn't join the Angels for this

(01:25:13):
abbreviated sixty game season. I would, uh, you know, I
think that most would happen uh when Mike Trout would play, uh,
you know, until maybe a couple of weeks afore the
baby is doing. I'm not sure what would the babies
do and then uh, and then return to the Angels
after afterwards. Uh. So, you know, it's kind of he's

(01:25:37):
an awkward situation. I mean, the first child, everything else,
but yet going his sixty game season, anything can happen. Uh.
So you know, he wants to know what his teammates
in the highest two saying, I'm gonna do everything possible
for us to uh to win a playoff birth so uh,
I think he's you know, it's kind of a mixed thing.

(01:25:57):
I could see him taking time off, certainly right for
the baby and after, but I don't see him missing
the world season. I don't how well, what do you
think about what bus Buster only the Baseball writer had
to say about a zero percent chance of baseball actually

(01:26:17):
finishing their season and only a five percent chance of
it getting started. When you have players opting out all
of this, where are your percentages on this? Yeah? I
don't want to go that know, I'm gonna go fifty truth.
But this past week is the first week. I don man,
it's how the good how they're gonna do this with
the pandemic going nuts, you know, and all the uh,

(01:26:39):
you know, big stage in California, attentions Florida and things
like that, but then we only see one point two
of the guys that tested positive. It's like when you
get encouraged again. So I think this first week is big.
I think they get through this one. They get through
the spring in the first week of games are big
because those players will be traveling and everything else. Hotels,

(01:27:01):
Bob Nightingale the USA Today joining us here on Fox
Sports Radio. That actually leads into my next question. Are
there contingency plans on if there is an increase for
Major League Baseball? Are there additional measures that they would
take or is it just like we're gonna play or
we're not gonna play. How is this going to proceed
if these numbers change once the season begins. Yeah, I

(01:27:24):
don't think the Uh, those big and digitus plans, they don't.
You know, maybe if one team or two teams can't
play the site, they can figure it out. But as
far as just not playing at all, uh, in showing
the sport down, I don't see that. I really don't, Bob.
I think that the I've always thought that the NBA

(01:27:46):
had a good solution with playing all in one place
because you don't have to get an airport's hotels. You
know that you minimize the risk. What about the like
how much serious discussion was there about the MLB playing
in their in their spring training locations in Florida and Arizona.

(01:28:06):
Splitting a deal up like that, Well, they certainly thought
about it. Presented the idea. They ask the players, would
you be interested in? And they weren't. They said no, no,
we don't want to be away from our families all
the season long. The NBA season is almost over, so
this is starting from new and and and being gone.
And uh, you know, I'm stuck stucking kind of a

(01:28:28):
bubble type thing, and it's a good thing the players.
They want to do it because of the you know,
right now Arizona with the highest rates in the country.
Florida is out of control. So when I worked, it
would have completely fallen apart. What about the these and
I don't want to say secrecy of all of this,
but the teams won't announce if a player test positive.

(01:28:48):
And Bob, I understand hippo rules and I get everything
with that. I just think that this situation is different.
Do you think that we will hear from players if
they test positive or Major League Baseball or does major
League Baseball want players to do that? What? What's their
stance on on who actually test positive? You know they respecting,

(01:29:09):
Uh that the primacy. A couple of players today tests
as positive, including Divinonol Dishiels Jr. And uh And he
came out told that Immy and Climlliams. Yeah, go ahead
and rebuild my name. You know, I'll talk about it.
So it's just a privacy thing. Uh. Yeah, But it
is strange that you know, the NBA guys up pretty much,
you know, giving their blessing to do that. Maybe baseball

(01:29:31):
will get more comfortable at some point. But you know
we've had a lot of positive tests. Uh, you don't
burn the shut down here and step forward and said,
oh yeah I was one of them. Um, what is well,
how is baseball planning on handling the roster situation? Because
we know in football and other sports where you may

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have you know what will this be dealt as as
a temporary I R situation or um or will it
be a long term or they're getting new designations? And
how does this affect you know, workers, cop claims and
anything like that. Yeah, it would be more workers comp
I mean they you know, I know, uh as the

(01:30:13):
writers you gotta find sign a waiver form. The players
aren't doing that, but yeah, just be more of what
workers contact thing. Never know, they have sixty sixty players
as every camp, so you can also you know, if
someone gets sick and you'll bring someone in and it's
designed for if you have ten fifteen guys get sick. Uh,

(01:30:35):
you know they can replace those players. You know it
won't be the star players obviously, be more minor league kids,
but you know the contingent play is set up that way.
Well what real quick now, I was more asking about
the the the d L. Will there be a shorter
d L or something like like that for them to
deal with. Yeah, it would be more like a just

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like a ten day disabled list. But now if you
if you test positive of uh, you could be back
as quick as three days. Uh, so you just kind
of go on his list. But if you test negative
twice within the four hours and your your temperatures normal
for seven two hours, you can return. So that's why
you know with the U sixty players type thing, you know,

(01:31:19):
you can actually just hide the guy for a while
and nobody even knows it. He's Bob Mnightingale of the
USA Today covering Major League Baseball. We know there's a
lot going on. We appreciate the time, Bob, and uh yeah,
good luck with everything. We'll talk again soon. Okay, thank you,
Bob Nightingale, the USA Today. Yeah, the number is released

(01:31:40):
by Major League Baseball in the Players Association, three thousand,
one and eighty five total samples collected. Of those, there
were thirty eight positive tests, thirty one from players, seven
from staff members. Nineteen different clubs had one or more
individuals test positive during that first round of testing. And
you heard Bob say. Bob said only one point two percent,

(01:32:02):
so in uh, you know, in his mind it's a
the uh, that is a a good number. I guess
is major League Baseball tries to resume their season. Every
sport that's resuming understands that there are going to be
positive tests. I'm more interested now, George, in what's going
to happen in the second round of testing, to see

(01:32:23):
if those numbers increase, if they go at the rate
that we've seen these spikes, or if they stay consistent.
I think then we'll know a lot more about Major
League Baseball and how they're going to move forward. That's
just how I you know, I mean I I think
that we're gonna see more and more over the next
particularly weak because we are already into July. Games are

(01:32:47):
supposed to getting ready to get started, and we get started,
and we're gonna know how many players are actually playing,
who's in, who's out. But the other thing is that
you could actually have players start and they say if
things get worst or whatever, then they could bow out
after that, which could lead to you know, almost like
a roster collapse where and but baseball will be able

(01:33:08):
to play I think because even if the players opt
out right despite what Buster Only said, it will be
able to play for at least some period of time.
Because even if players bow out, you're gonna have minor
league players, guys who are just looking for their shot.
They're going to play as long as you let them play,

(01:33:28):
because they're like, I can show I'm in the big leagues.
Because you know that minor league grind there and their
season was canceled, They're gonna get on the field. Be
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug gott
Leap Show week days at three p m. Easter noon Pacific.
He's George rice Ster. I'm Dan Buyer, sitting in for
Doug today here on Fox Sports Radio. From the Diamond
to the Hardwood week Go or good Buddy. Kurt Healing,

(01:33:52):
Lead NBA writer for NBC Sports. Find him on Twitter
at Basketball Talk. Find him on his couch watching the
Megapies and the Zumed English Premier League. Kurt's sexual Healing
joins us here on Fox Sports Radio. Hey Kart, good
to talk to you again. How are you. I'm good.
You will find me, you know. I'm on the West Coast.
I'm not as much as I love Newcastle I'm not

(01:34:12):
waking up at six am to watch the games live,
so I will be taping tomorrow and watching when I
get up. Don't worry, Kurt, We're right along with you.
We're in southern California as well, so we know we
know about the early struggles of Premier League Saturdays or
Wednesdays now that we've got in the resumed season. But
we are talking who but George and I heard a

(01:34:32):
little bit earlier in the show from Doug Gottlieb was
usually the guy sitting in this chair, but he was
in for Colin Coward today, responding to the comments that
Anthony Davis made and saying that the Lakers um have
a better chance at the title because they are rested.
Is that something that you believe is the case for
the Lakers after this pandemic, that they are in a

(01:34:53):
better spot than they were maybe prior to the pandemic.
I'm lean to yes. I mean, I think one of
the great things about the interesting things about this is
we really just don't know, like is this going to
be good for older legs or because the schedule is
more condensed and you're playing every other day even through
the playoffs, and our legs gonna get tired a little

(01:35:17):
more quickly, and and you know, I don't know the
answer to that, but my guess, just my guess is
that this is gonna be good for some of the
teams that were a little worn down, and in the
Lakers case, there's a lot of veteran legs on that team.
I'm not really worried about Lebron. Um. You know, Lebron's
in him immaculate shape all the time, and the gym

(01:35:37):
in his house is nicer than the one you and
I pay to go to Dan. Like, like, Lebron's gym
is fantastic, So like, I'm not worried about him. But
there's some older guys on that team, and I think
the rest I think it helps them. I think it
helps them come in with some clarity. If you are
looking at a team that has been able to, you know,

(01:35:59):
jail or find some sort of way to to get
some camaraderie during this pandemic, what what team would you
say has been able to do the most and how
have they been able to do that? I think that,
you know, what's funny. I think the amount of say funny,
but I think it's interesting when I would talk to teams.
The enthusiasm for playing again and finding a way to

(01:36:22):
get back in, the enthusiasm for Zoom workouts and saying
in shape and all this stuff during the break increased
the closer the team was to title contention. Right Like,
like the teams at the bottom of this, there's a
lot of guys who are I don't I don't know
want to name it is, but there's just guys who
are like, financially, we need to do this, not just

(01:36:43):
for me, but for the league. You know, we've got to.
We can't afford not to play this season. But the
enthusiasm isn't nearly as high as it is for teams.
Like I know for a fact, the Clippers were working
out on Zoom and had a model of their term
was winning the weight from day like almost a day one,
but really soon after this started. And they've been on

(01:37:03):
it the whole time. And they've got Quiet I'm not
you know, Quiet Wonder too, Robot. He'll be fine because
they come in. But you know, they got guys like
Patrick Beverley and veterans on that team and guys like
Montres Herod. We're just going to be motivated. And I
think the Lakers will be in that boat, and we'll
see how the Bucks do. But I the Clippers will
be the first team that comes to mind, because I
know they were working out early on and trying to

(01:37:25):
keep their conditioning up and they're going to hit the ground.
I think they hit the ground a little more running
through some tears. Kurt hell in a basketball talk at
Basketball Talk on Twitter, lead NBA writer for NBC Sports,
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio on the Doug
Gottlip Show. He's George Rice to m Dan Buyer, sitting
in for Doug. George and I were talking about this earlier,
and I just I can't get over the Wizards being

(01:37:48):
allowed to return if Bradley Beale isn't going to return, Um,
do you think Beale ends up playing? And and I
guess my question then do you is Kurt Is, how
how does that at the sort of information not get conveyed,
Like I know you want to be fair, but realistically
they were on the outside looking in anyway, even with

(01:38:09):
this new format, and now you don't have the the
best player and the only player that realistically gives you
a shot. I just I don't see any point in
the Wizards being there. If Beal is not there, is
that an issue that the NBA should have foreseen coming
or did they address it already? I guess is the question.
The league made the decision along with the players, know,

(01:38:29):
so let's not you know, let's not say this was unilateral.
You know, Adam Silver doesn't run this like David Stern
where it's kind of an old school CEO dictatorial way.
But the decision was made. This is the way they
can make the most money, right like these eight you know,
column seating games, columb regular season games, whatever, that's to
help out local broadcast networks. And the more that they

(01:38:51):
can build this up, the more, you know, they can
get twenty two teams in there, and they thought and
keep it relatively safe. Is it safer if there's just team? Yeah? Absolutely,
But they don't make as much money. And so this
was the trade off. This was the line that they
grew a long time ago on this. UM. I'm with
you though, and look, if I'm the Wizards, Let's say

(01:39:12):
Bill goes how much we playing him not running him
out there thirty five minutes a night, and especially we
lose a couple of early games, it gets really hard
to get into that, you know, even get within four
games to get into a play in series, you know,
a couple of games. Why am I running him out there?
Why are you know? I'm just not sure that you're
gonna see some of these teams. I think you're gonna

(01:39:34):
see this with a lot of teams. I don't you
know if I'm not sure how much this Phoenix, I
don't know if they do this. But did they start
backing off Devin Booker? But you go farther down the line,
if somebody like Portland's slides out of this thing and
they have all every intention of trying to be in it,
but if it looks like they're not going to with
three or four games to play, how much am I playing?
Willard and c J? Like? You know, there's gonna be

(01:39:55):
some interesting decisions and some and with that some g
League essentially games on the back into this thing. Um,
who do you like? It's one of those things to
where I agree with Dan You're saying, if if a
team can't pack it because they don't have their star players,
then maybe they shouldn't be there and increase the risk.

(01:40:16):
But how much of this is about trying to drum
up as much attention, revenue and all of that at
right now all about the money, like, let's let's not
let's let's let's if if this were really about safety,
if really that they could have just gone on to
next season. It's not like they need financially to do this.

(01:40:39):
And the players realize that too, because if they, if
they players have decided that this wasn't working for them,
as in a large enough number um to to kind
of scuttle this thing, then the owners would have ripped
up the collective bargaining agreement and renegotiated it in the
middle of a pandemic which we've gone very poorly for
the players, they knew they had to come back to

(01:41:01):
make this thing work. And it's to me, that's what
it's about. Yes, there's there are certainly players with other motivations.
There are guys who just want to ball. There are
guys and but you're not getting that far in any
sport unless you're competitive. Guys want to play. At the
end of the day, it's the money that got everybody there,
and the money is the reason there's twenty two teams
and the way this format was the reason it was

(01:41:21):
set up this way. Kurt Healing of uh Lead NBA
writer for NBC Sports Pro Basketball Talk, found him on
Twitter at Basketball Talk, joining us here at the Doug
Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio. What is can Boston
navigate if Gordon Hayward ends up having to take a
leave because of the birth of his child. Are are
they going to be able to navigate that? And I

(01:41:43):
guess it's a two part question, which I know are
blasphemous in sports radio, but I do want to ask if,
if if Heyward does it, are we going to see
other instances where players try to leave the bubble and
come back in. How is this all going to work out?
Of stuff? I didn't know you were a heretic from
the start. I just I just always uh uh. I.

(01:42:08):
The first part of that is looking Gordon Hayward's case,
like he set this up early. I mean, he knows
his wife is going to have a child at some
point in this window. It makes it tough for them.
I think what makes Boston dangerous isn't just that Jayson
Tatum was starting to come into his own and j
and Jalen Brown played fantastically. If that they roll out

(01:42:29):
of line up, that's incredibly switchable. They were playing very
good defense. But I mean, you get Brown and Hayward
and all these guys out there, and this is a
really switchable line up and Kemba gives them some pop,
and this is a a well put together team that
matches up becomes a matchup problems and they're just less

(01:42:49):
of that without Gordon Hayward. Whether whatever you think of
him in the contract, whether you know he's been able
to get all the way back from after the injury,
that's another you know, SA seven, I believe six seven
six eight, guy who can switch off on stuff and
and like there, defensive patterns just won't be the same.
They lose something when he's not there. So I think

(01:43:10):
that hurts him because by the time he goes now
you're into the getting fairly deep into the playoffs, right,
You're depending on where when in September this is it's
at least the second round, if not the conference finals,
and that's where you're really going to need that because
there's they don't have a lot of margin prayer against
the Bucks. Let's put it that way. Um, the second
part of that is a million dollar question, man. The

(01:43:35):
but I don't think I need to tell you or
anybody listening, we've all got some cabin fever fatigue, right
like everybody we've seen what that looks like nationally and
how it's playing out. That's gonna be going on big time,
right Like, you're not even gonna have families there until
the end of the first round. Guys are going to
be sick of this. You can, Yeah, I don't care

(01:43:55):
what well as much as Disney has tried men and
there's gonna be at there gonna be guys who are
just like HEP, We're out of this. I just oh
my hamstring, I'm out. Yeah. I think that there's definitely
gonna be some of that. And Core I'll add onto
that then. And George knows because I've I've preached this
and the shows that that we've done together. I don't
get because once we saw that the Lakers were playing

(01:44:15):
Game one, if they win that opener against the Clippers,
it's pretty much a rap that they're gonna be the
number one seed. But I just and and so now
you're making Lebron James and Anthony Davis sit there for
two weeks and games that really don't matter, like like
like to me, that that's an I know you want
guys coming in, but it maybe who the Lakers to
be like, why don't you guys just kind of, you know,

(01:44:38):
hold off and sit back and then you know, make
your way through it. Just to me, it's asking a
lot when very little is gained, and and I know
it's an extreme circumstance, but you know, if if there
are ways to go through the protocol, like Gordon Hayward
could get back in, I don't know why you wouldn't
do that for teams that are gonna be playing meaningless
games for about a week and a half. Yeah, I

(01:44:58):
think that there it is. It is entire possible some
of that goes on. And I also, I'll be honest
with you, Nick Nurse, I should say Nick Nurse was
the the Raptors coach was really a pretty honest on
a conference call I was on with him this week
where he's like, yeah, okay, look those first couple of games,
I'm gonna run a larger rotation, probably because I'm trying
to get guys in shape. I'm gonna we're gonna be

(01:45:18):
really into this for a while. And then through the
middle he goes, you know, we'll see what happens with
those last names and how much weight they have and
what they could decide. But because there's they're not getting
what are you getting with home court? Now you get
to choose the music and like white jerseys, what do
you get? So he was really honest, He's like those

(01:45:39):
last couple of games and he's got obviously you're talking
about a veteran team. Was well, some veteran guys on
that team with Lowry and work a song and stuff.
I'm gonna back some of their minutes off. I'm gonna,
I'm gonna, I'm I'm he's already talking about. He was
really honest. I'm like, I'm gonna try to arrest some
guys and make sure that their legs are fully under
them for the playoffs and if with their conditioning is good,
I'd need to run them into the ground. For this man,

(01:46:04):
it's it's going to be crazy. We'll find out twenty
seven days how this thing is going to Hopefully it's
twenty seven days. We'll find out. Uh, Kurt, we appreciate,
We appreciate the time. It's always fun talking. We'll do
it again soon. Have a good weekend, have a good
fourth yeah. YouTube YouTube guys have a good safe for everybody.
Kurt Healing Basketball Talk. That's where you can find him
on Twitter, Lead NBA writer for NBC Sports. UM, yeah,

(01:46:27):
I think that the NBA is gonna have some There
is gonna be some cabin fever for sure. After it
it's all in the planning stages, you're like, all right,
but when you get there, George, I think they're going
to be issues that the league is gonna have to
deal with. Yeah, totally. We are in. For Doug Gottliep
here on the Doug Gottlieb Show. He's George Rice to
round Dan Buyer NFL Players Association and wanting not three,

(01:46:48):
not two, not one, but zero NFL preseason games. Tom
Pella Sero of the NFL Network saying, the Union looking
at a training camp that basically would replace the pre
season games, having ten unpadded practices, fourteen days of practice
ten maximum um with ten practices with eight or eighteen practices.

(01:47:11):
I'll get this straight, fourteen days of practice with ten
padded practices and then heading into the National Football League. Um,
you don't think that there should be any preseason games
in the NFL in August? George? Is that is that fair?
Even the two that we had heard from the NFL
is too too many in your mind. Yeah, anything that

(01:47:31):
you're doing at this point in time to increase risk
is a bad idea. It is a terrible idea to
increase risk at all. What you need to be doing.
First of all, there shouldn't even be four preseason games
to begin with, Like, let's actually just get that off
the off the table, off the rip. The NFL p
A messed up with the new CBA still allowing for

(01:47:53):
adding a seventeenth game, adding an extra playoff game and
and without another by week all of the at so
there shouldn't even be because you don't need four preseason games.
Those are the money. Those are additional money makers for
the owners where they're paying players at a much lower rate,
like Drew Brees is making like what it whatever the

(01:48:13):
salary is, and it's like two thousand bucks a week
or something as opposed to over like two million dollars
a week like he makes during the season. The uh, No,
that that's the uh. It was an electric take you
had their George, he sent shock waves throughout the system.
I just I knew that they were gonna limit and

(01:48:36):
and there are two things that I said would happen,
and and I'm gonna pat myself on the back for
this because I'm wrong a lot, George. I thought that
they were going to limit the preseason, and I also
thought that they were going to limit the amount of
roster players on on rosters in training camp. It just
didn't make sense to get to bring in more players,
not be able to really get a look at them,
and maybe put more players at risk. It just didn't

(01:48:58):
It didn't seem right. I'm curious on on how this
battle is going to go because you do have a
decision to make. I know that with the cancelation of
the two games that was reported um earlier this week,
you had weeks one and four of the preseason kind
of being eliminated in the league. Would want a team
to have one home game in one road game. But
if we are where we are, and if this is

(01:49:19):
the outline that the NFL p A wants, and uh,
I'll tell you what if the if the players Association
says we want this for camp and will be there
week one, I don't know how the league can say
no to that. I I mean, I actually agree with you.
By the way, I want to clarify something that I said.
It was, this would be the schedule that the union wants.

(01:49:39):
Three days of of medical equipment sort of stuff, twenty
one days of strength and conditioning, ten days with unpadded practices,
and then you would have fourteen days which would have
ten maximum practices with eight of those being padded, and
then it would be straight into week one. So that's
kind of the layout for the union. I think at
some point, yeah, we're gonna get to Georgia's fat zero

(01:50:00):
for the NFL preseason. If it's not zero, it's got
to be one. Maybe you've got to figure out how
you're gonna do it with these new protocols. But I
think that the less opportunities you have to get together,
the best it is for the National Football League. He's
George Ricester. This is the Doug Gotlip Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Coming up next, a player who demanded a

(01:50:22):
trade could be on his way to the Dallas Cowboys.
We'll tell you who that is next year on Fox.
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(01:50:43):
He's George rice Stir six year NFL VET, Tim Dan Buyer,
zero year NFL VET here on Fox Sports Radio. Zero seconds. Yeah,
there wasn't even wasn't even a chance the uh. The
Doug Gottlieb Show rolls on here on Fox Sports Radio
into the fourth of July. How a day. Of course,
George and I couldn't do it without the help of
our executive producer, Gavin Kinsel. This is a Gavin Gisel

(01:51:06):
production and our technical producer Iowa Sam And of course
the guy at the news desk is gonna give us
the latest right now, Isaac Loan Cron in a segment
call alright, Isaac, give us the headlines of the day.
Dan will start it off in the NBA and the
headline is Ola Deep No Indiana patient star Victor Oladipo

(01:51:27):
has decided to sit out the season when it resumes
in the Orlando Bubble because of the risk of re
injuring his surgically repaired quadriceps tenant. In the Athletic reports, Oladipo, however,
will join his teammates in Orlando, just not play. That
makes no sense to me. I stay home, you know,
like I understand George, you would, you would have more

(01:51:48):
of an idea on this of of rehab and what
it means to be with your team. But in this
unique situation, I don't think that there's any reason. If
he's not gonna play, there's no reason to go to
Orlando anyway. There's no reason at all. Oh, you're only
you're another body, which means another liability. That's something can
happen to And if a player who's not playing, where

(01:52:09):
the person to go outside the bubble and then infect
everybody else, you would be the pariah. They should they
should pete rose band you if you do that onto
the NFL. As you know, Cleveland Brown's tide end David
and Joku wants to be traded and wants to be
traded away from Cleveland before the start of training camp. Well,

(01:52:31):
the Cleveland Playing Dealer reports that the Dallas Cowboys might
have an interest in making a deal for and Joeku. Oh,
that would be interesting, another weapon for Dak Prescott. I
actually understand in Joku's situation. The the Browns just signed
former Falcons Teddan Austin Hooper this offseason. So you're paying

(01:52:55):
him ten and a half million dollars, he likely would
be the guy you would want to throw to. You
also have to get the football to Jarvis Landry and
Odell Beckham Jr. Plus your best way to win his
handing up the ball off to Nick Chubb sounds like
David and Joke, who wants to ensure that he gets
a nice second contract and could go somewhere else. I
don't think there's gonna be enough footballs to go around

(01:53:17):
in Cleveland, So I actually understand where David and Joker
is coming from. Yeah, he would, he would like a
a do over, a fresh start, but the Browns picked
up his fifth year option. He'll be making six million
dollars next year after one point seven this year. And
in Joku has been a guy who has been inconsistent.

(01:53:37):
He's always got a fever in his foot, doesn't like
to work hard like it's it's a it's a mixed bag.
Of course, yes, I want a new contract, but the
truth is they drafted you with the first round pick
because they wanted you, but then they needed to bring
Austin Hooper in because you didn't cut the mustard. Sorry,
buddy somebody else may cowboys take hope he gets a

(01:54:00):
fresh start and does well, but he didn't earn anything
in Cleveland. You know, it's interesting. I brings back memories
of when I actually used to on very short notice,
develop a fever in my foot before Jim class in
junior high. George. So I will say this though, he
needs numbers for that second contract. So when he when

(01:54:23):
he gets I mean if, if, and if he could
do it somewhere and and maybe it'll be you know,
the the the jokes on the other team and no
pun intended if they sign him after maybe one good year.
But that's why the timing is right now. You want
that long term deal going into the fifth year of
and he would have another year, as he said, would

(01:54:43):
be the fifth year, but now would be the time
where he could show his stuff and then maybe get
that contract extension. Finally. In the NBA, Boston Celtics star
Gordon Hayward says it's gonna be a pretty easy decision
to leave the Orlando bubble for the birth of his
first son. He said, they'll be a time if and
when we're down there and his wife is gonna have
the baby and for sure he's going to be with her.

(01:55:06):
Hayward said, We'll have to cross that bridge when we
get there. It's a pretty easy decision for me on that.
I've been at the birth of every one of my children,
and I think there are more important things in life,
So we will cross that bridge when we get there.
I know the NBA has a protocol, and hopefully I
can do the quarantining and testing the appropriate amount of
time and then be back with the boys. Unquote Okay,

(01:55:28):
I I don't want to get personal, and I'm not
trying to get personal here and George, I definitely am
not trying to pry into your life. But I apologize.
But when Gordon Hayward's wife probably found out she was pregnant,
it was probably like, Okay, great, good offseason or right
before the new season, like there will be no issues, Um,
everything will be fine. Now obviously things are different. I

(01:55:49):
can't blame him. I'm glad that the NBA has protocols.
I just think that there are other players who are
gonna want to break that bubble. Of course they're gonna
want to break the bubble. You set up pressing in
for this. The question is how quickly Kenny get back
in the bubble is going to be the question because
if this high happens in the Eastern Conference Finals in
the Boston Celtics are in Game seven, or it's too

(01:56:11):
too that, I think that decision is gonna be much
tougher considering that he could be forfeiting a chance at
an NBA Championship for you know, being at the hospital
for a few hours. That's the press here on the
Doug Gottlieb Show. George, we'll do it again on Sunday.
How about it, Bingo, I'll see you there for George Rister,

(01:56:32):
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