August 3, 2020 • 38 mins
Doug analyzes a weekend full of NBA games and why he believes the Orlando bubble is exposes players and teams. He also tells you why Frank Vogel should be the NBA coach of the year. Plus, NFL insider Adam Caplan gives latest on NFL players opting out due to COVID-19.
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You know, it's always interesting on how guys say one
thing and do another. I think I heard from Brian Finley,
who's doing her updates today that uh oh, b J says, yeah,
football shouldn't happen, but he's still showing up. It's like,
all right, you're not really helping. But anyway, you know,
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they are showing up. They are in the NBA, they
are in the bubble. And I've there's a lot of
a lot of things that I can take away from
the first weekend of NBA games. But here's the big one.
Here's the important one. Here's the one that translates to
most all of these stories. The NBA's bubble, or the
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bubble in general, exposes you, right, I mean, look, This
happens with adversity in general, but with the NBA bubble,
it exposes you. Are you a guy that cannot manage
your body in preparation for games? The bubble is going
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to expose you? How do I know that? Did you
watch Saturday? Saturday? Was the games are embarrassing because some
teams just had no juice, nothing in the tank, nothing,
and and the only, the only uh likely likely answer
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I can take from that is that there's just dudes
that are not ready. They're not in shape, and while
they're in great physical condition, they're not in basketball regular
to postseason level shape. Because if you are, when you're
fine after a day off, and if you're not, when
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dude you get exposed, your body locks up, your game suffers,
you can't cover people. It becomes almost humiliating. I'm not
sure if you guys saw what the Clippers did on
a on a Saturday afternoon, but it was absolutely, uh
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thoroughly and completely embarrassing to the New Orleans Pelicans. The
Lakers were much the same way they get beat by.
It was a much closer game than the final score,
but there were guys that just didn't have any juice
in the Tank Denver, same thing. And remember Denver's a
team they're gonna get exposed because they rely on altitude,
They rely on the home court advantage, which is unique
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to anyone in the sport. So the bubble doesn't just
expose that. Look at at Zion Williamson and how out
of shape he's looked. It exposes that Zion conflets all
he wants and show us what great physical condition he
had gotten himself into during quarantine. The only thing we
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can go by is and I know he spent time
away from the bubble, but when you're away from the bubble,
that doesn't mean you can't go running every day. That
doesn't mean you can't find a way to train. Yes,
you come back, you get quarantined for four days, Granted
you can't do anything. But he's been back for a
week and he looks awful. For Zion Williamson, and they're
barely playing him. It's not like he's playing in thirty
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five minutes and he's gassed at the end of twenty
five minutes. They're playing him in two or three minute
stretches and he can't get up and down the basketball floor.
The bubble also exposes if you really love hoop. You know,
you watch some of these guys. They're going to other
teams games. It's like an AU tournament, whether it's their
boys or something they want to play or pick up
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on something. There's no fanfare, they don't have to fight
for a ticket. They just go like, hey, I'm gonna
go over to the game and they walk in. You
get to find out who really loves who, who takes
care of their body, who really loves hoop? And last night,
you know what else got exposed? Jannat tent a coopo.
Janice is a spectacular talent. I mean his size, his strength,
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he's so long. Dude can get to the cup literally
won driable from the from the NBA three point line
and euro step and finish at the rim and for
three and a half quarters. That stuff works. But the
Houston Rockets, and let's give some credit to the Houston Rockets,
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who were getting body blowed, body blow, body blow, body blow.
Brook Lopez is eaten down there in the low post.
Joannice was eating some of loposts. They're just body blowing them.
But they stuck with it and Janice gagged away what
should have been a quality possession, important possession. He leaves
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his feet where nowhere to go and turns the basketball
over and looked very much like a guy who didn't
totally know what he wanted to do or when he
wanted to do it. The bubble exposed him as being
not inexperienced, but inexperienced in a game played at that level.
All right, that that was a that was I'm not
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sure what I'm supposed to do right now, but what
And and look, Harden has this all the time. And
by the way, as great as Hardened stats were, you know,
the possession before Hardener was around, nobody else touches the ball.
He settles for a twenty eight ft three that comes
up short, and that's when Johannas had the ball. So
it's not like Harden's perfect, and Harden has had far
more experiences. But the stuff Janice is able to get
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away with quarters one through three is the stuff he's
able to get away with in the regular season. He's
not usually able to get away with in the playoffs.
And last night was exposure. It just went straight to
the hoop and missed. We almost give him a pass.
I mean, like, look, Lebron got caught up in mid
air the game winner against the Clippers. It wasn't a
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great shot. He went and followed a shot and tipped
it in. But at least, and maybe this is more
confirmation bias, at least, Lebron looked like he knew what
he was trying to do. I'm gonna go up and
I'm gonna shot the shot regardless, and then if I'm missing,
I'm gonna go get it, whereas Janice was like, I
don't know what I'm supposed. I'm just gonna drive as
hard as I can and then, oh man, maybe I
should pass, maybe I should Oh no, now listen. It
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doesn't mean that he's a bad basketball players and he's
massively overrated, shouldn't be the m v P. But when
you see him drive and four shots and he's got
shooters open, when you see him getting offensive rebound, he's
got Kyle Korver, who's anna lead shooter open, and he
misses him. When you see him in a vital possession
leave his would know where to go and throw a
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cross core paths that gets intercepted, you start to go like, wow,
he looks young, he looks in experience, He looks unsure
and and these are the differences between really good teams
and championship teams. You know, it's it's it's it's like
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one of these deals where you don't they always say
we was a bit of maker miss league, Like, okay,
that's true for the championship teams. Sometimes you're gonna miss shots.
Sometimes you're gonna make shots. Now you can do. But
when you turn it over or you miss, you miss
passing the guys who are wide open. When you force
things and it looks clunky. It looked clunky for them
much down the stretch, unless there was a time out
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called to get him an obvious clear out. It just
looks clunky. That's what's happened in the playoffs, and that's
what the bubble exposed. Now, the good news is there
is still time, right, you still have six more games,
granted not all of them. We play at that level.
Then you'll have a couple of rounds in the playoffs.
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But if there's a fear, it's a healthy fear for
Buck fans, for Janice fans, or maybe it's not a fear,
it's a hope for Warrior fans who think they can
get you honest, or for Nick fans who think they
can get you, honest or for Laker fans or whoever
thinks they can get him, because he's really not there yet,
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and we're trying to make him there because the stats
and the m v P Awards say he should be there.
He is a marvelous talent, an incredible physical specimen sized dexterity,
and he's a smart player, right, but smart players can
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make bad decisions and when pressure impacts it and you're
you're not making the quality decisions and you're turning the
ball over and missing guys that that have to get
the ball when they're open because that's what they're on
the floor for. Yeah, I thought the bubble exposed that.
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The bubble exposed that, and the bubbles exploded exposed the
Lakers lack of depth, and the bubbles exposed how some
guys aren't really nearly as good as shape as their
bodies would tell you. The bubbles as exposed, that really
exposed so and you know what the bubble also exposed. Look,
Karmolo Anthony is incredible shape, like the best shape of
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his life. Am I the only one who watches him
and thinks, you know, had Carmelo gotten into great shape.
Ten years ago, much of the narrative aout Carmelo anthony
would be different. I remember I was on an airplane
and I haven't done this recently, but I used to
like always grab a magazine or if you didn't have
a book, you have a magazine. If I didn't have
video to watch for a game, and I grabbed like
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a Men's Fitness maybe or Men's Health, or they're not
the same magazine, but you know what I mean. And
they have these little blurbs, and it had Carmelo anthonies
like day of game meals and never forget, like his
pregame meal for nighttime game was like pancakes, sausage syrup,
you know, like orange. I was like, dude, all of
that sugar that we might as well go out and
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need a candy bar beforehand. Yeah, I have my my
chef make me this. You know, fresh squeeze orange juice
is incredible, pancakes with whipped cream on type of like, dude,
what are you getting angio plastic after the game? And
oh yeah, by the way, you're on a sugar high.
Like I watched Carmelo, who's an incredible shape for a
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guy who's mid thirties and is playing pretty really well,
moving around really well, and I'm like, where was this
the last twelve years? Coming up next, the co Coaches
of the Year miss on the Rodney Danger field of
NBA coaching. We get some football for you, by the
way to Adam Kaplan will join us in twenty minutes.
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But the the guy who should be the Coach the
Year isn't even getting mentioned. We'll explain that next. Be
sure to catch the live edition of The Doug Gott
Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific on
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NBA sources are reporting that Billy Donovan is gonna be
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the co Coach of the Year with Mike Buddenholzer Buddholser
Budd as he's known, which doesn't actually make sense, right,
If it's Budenholzer, why isn't it coach Bood, Why is
it coach Budd? We have this in in at Louisville
as well. Right, it's the Ville, But if you talk
to somebody from Louisville, they say Louisville like vu l
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l evil Loui Louisville. It's really confusing that it's coach
bud and yet it's my Buddenholzer, Yes, right, music Thibodeaux
and tips, yeah, same thing. Yeah, I'm not sure how
that adds up. I don't know why isn't it Tibbs?
Why why is it not Thibs? Why is it TIBs?
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And yet it's clearly Thibodeaux and pronounced Thibodeaux. It's like
somebody mispronounced it along the way. You know, you actually,
you know. He's the most mispronounced name in the NBA. Now,
Fred VanVleet. You watch when the Raptors play without fail,
at least two times a half he'll be called van Fleet.
There's no it's if there's now f. It is not
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van Fleet. It is not Fleeting. It is bleeding v
u v A n v l e e T. That's
how you spelled VanVleet. Anyway, you would think we would
have that one, but we don't. We do that with now.
Nawitski is a little more difficult, but we do. We
we do. Mispronounced is it Dewitsky? It's not no Witsky's Nawitsky.
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I know it's a w It's a German name. Anyway,
where was I oh yeah, yeah, Buddenholzer, Boodholeser, and Billy Donovan.
So look, I tweeted out that, how's Nick Nurse Doun
on this list? Right? He loses Kawaid Leonard and they,
you know, we're essentially same spot record wise this year
as they were last year. But then I even thought
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about it, and I was like, you know, is the
Rodney Dangerfield of the NBA in terms of coaching? Does
the Rodney dangerfield make sense to most people? Is that
too data reference? When was the last time you thought
of Rodney Danger? I do think Rodney Danervilds. I'll tell
you I get no respect, no respect at all. Right,
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do you guys remember Rodde Dangerfield passed away? I got
the call. Rodney was great man, great funny comedian, great
one line, one liners. Of course many people know from Caddyshack,
but you know it's his stand up comedy routine was
and I was also old it was it? Not old school?
Was it back to school? Back to school? Triple indy? No,
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not a real dive but fun unless anyway, the real
Rodney Dangerfield, the real night Rodney Dangerfield of uh of
NBA coaches, I think has to be Frank Bolt. They're like,
whoa Frank Vogel hold On, We're talking about Mike Budenholzer.
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They're fifty four and thirteen. We're talking about Nick Nurse,
who's eighteen. But they lost Kauai Leonard. We're talking about
Billy Donovan, who you know, they traded away Russell Westbrook.
Everybody thought that they were gonna tank and Chris Paul
was gonna be traded and here they are at like,
all right, the Lakers had the breast record in the
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West by a mile, right, fifty and fifteen. Last year
they were an abject disaster. They they they have basically
a brand new team. It was it was a five
for one trade. And what it was five for one trade?
It lost a point guard, Brandon Ingram, the point guard,
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lonz of Ball, Josh Hart. Who else? Well, Zubach got
traded last year, all right, somebody else I'm forgetting as
well that that's gone. And they got Anthony Davis. But
they've also dealt with Rondo, who's hard to deal with.
And Rondo has been in now the lineup. Avery Bradley
was terrible to start the year. They thought they were
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getting Darren Carlinson. He didn't come out of retirement either
time they asked him. Kyle Kuzma has been hurt and
then hasn't played well. They hired Jason first. They were
gonna hire Tyler whose boys with Lebron, only to only
offer him a three year deal. So he took a
deal which some people thought was below market value. And
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they took on Jason Kidd, who some people thought would
be nipping at his heels, to be the head coach. Oh,
and Kobe died in Super Bowl weekend. You know, not
that he coached Kobe, but just the emotions of it,
managing all that, managing coaching Lebron, managing coaching um Anthony Davis,
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and the team performing better than anyone could have expected.
You didn't think they'd have the best record the West,
did you? No? And and this is the Lebron effect.
When things go bad, it's somebody else's fault. Yes, Skip
may put it on on Lebron, but most people put
it on you know, and they lose to Wow j R. Wow,
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Tyler Wow. It's always somebody else's fault when they lose
and when they win. But it couldn't be your head coach.
It would have to be you know the Brons with
the head coach. Right last year when they were losing,
it's Waltons new he's doing looks anover's kise, doesn't know
what he's doing. Now they're winning. It's like, man, Lebron
is basically coaching this team. Which is it? He only
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coaches the team when they win, but never when they lose. No, no, no, no,
he he he allows Okay, So if he allows himself
to be coached and the coach really coaches, then his
head coach should be Coach of the Year. And and
I said that Lebron, I think in terms of overall value,
what he has been able to do and how he's
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been able to help her round that franchise should be
the m v P of that team considering where they were.
And he was a part of the problems last year.
But I'm just stunned that Frank Vocal is not getting
any love. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific.
Here's my friend vanileet story. Adam Capit's gonna join us
in a second. Um So, my first n c A
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tournament that I covered was in Salt Lake City and
which to State took on Pittsburgh in the first game,
and then they beat gonzag At the number one seed
in the second game. They went on to the Final four.
And I've done Greg Marshall for a long time, and um, well,
you get an hour with the team on the court
the day before their games when you're working for CBS.
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So I'm on the court and I'm talking to Greg
and I said, Greg, I really like the freshman point
guard and he's which which one, Baker? I was like,
I love Baker. I was like, I like, like Van Vleet,
he's not very athletic, but man, he's got them here
and he goes high major balls. That's what he's got.
He's got high major balls. He will take any shot
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and know it's going in. He's got some. And I
was like, yeah, I was like, man, because they they
were just out of the Valley Tournament, like you know,
they had like a week off because it's early, and
that was he was just cased like, you know, not
a crazy athlete. He literally's like but man, he's tougher
than hell. He's got some high major balls. So anyways,
that's how he's described by his college. Because let's welcome
in Adam kaplan of course is uh serious x M
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NFL inside, he joins in the Doug Otlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Um, you're you're where? What are your
thoughts on the volume of guys opting out at him?
Du good to be with you. Yeah, look it. I
would say I'm a little bit surprised at the number
we had more today and some of them, Doug, are
starting NFL players. Uh. The Bears lost one of the
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best defensive players in Anie Goldman. That's a significant loss.
Now what we have not seen as a team loose
their quarterback for the season, the starter. So uh, that
is when it becomes really problematic. Now the rosters, Doug.
This season, the practice squads have been expanded from twelve
to sixteen. There's a special rules in place just for
this season to help alleviate any issue if there's a
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there's a break. It's just a bad situation with a
team where you lose ten and twelve players. This this
actually could help, but that is the actually the greatest
fear for one building. Um having a just an a
rash of of COVID tests that are positive and that
would deter them from playing in a in a given
a week. If you're you're you're without so many players.
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And the other thing is Doug you also get concerned
about coaches getting them. And then we know Doug Peterson,
the Eagles head coach, has tested positive twice for COVID
and he's not with a team currently, though he did
have a press briefing today. Yeah, it's it's it's it's
really fascinating. The quarterback thing is interesting because, Uh, the
guys that play without gloves, they're touching the football, which
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could be essentially a Petree dish being passed around right. Um.
On the other hand, you know, you could have the
center with gloves, I guess, and wide receivers wear gloves
and maybe nobody, nobody, nobody touches it, although the everybody
breathes on it like that. That part is is fascinating.
Um level of confidence that the season gets started underway
on time pretty high and pretty high. Um. There would
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have to be an outbreak, is the way that it
had been described me by league source that and it
would have to be a bunch of team for them
to even consider it. They they feel like the protocols
are so strong, and I will tell you Duff from
talking to coaches and executives have been in their buildings already.
They're there for training camp. They're just they The league
has done a great job also with the NFL p
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a of of putting in protocols that make it really,
really safe. But the biggest concern, Doug, the teams tell
me they have is what happens with the players when
they leave the building. You saw what happened in Major
League Baseball with the Phillies and Marlins. Marlin's player did
not follow the protocols. We had a couple of small
issues in the NBA, you know, and and the NHL
you heard on that update. They're doing a good job.
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But the biggest fear from NFL folks, they tell me
they seem to agree on this is when what happens
when the players leave the building. Do they just go
straight home? Do they have the right people in their house?
Have those people been tested? Those are the concerns that
NFL people have. Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
By the way, I just called up by Roland Martin.
I don't know anything about anything, because we'll get to
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that in a second, that's pretty cool. Um anyway, Um okay,
So let's let's let's dive in on specific teams. It
feels like the Patriots have been most decimated by opt outs.
Is that still the case? Yes, they doug they've right now,
and the number could go up because there's still a
couple more days stopped out. They've lost eight players both sides,
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the NFL and NFL p A. They've agreed to a
deal here, it's over two weeks ago, but it has
not been signed, so players could still opt out, and
they've looked. They've lost a starting offensive lineman. They've lost
some depth at wide receiver, they lost a starting linebacker,
they lost their the boy that their heart and soul
of their secondary and Patrick Chung, who has just been
a Bill Belichick guy from day one. You keep losing
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these leaders on defensive defensive surprise people. Last year they
caused a lot of turnovers, did a good job. These
are some impactful absence they're gonna having. I'll say this much.
This is this is what a coach told me the
other day. I thought this is interesting. He said he's
gonna treat if players cannot play over a couple of
weeks span due to COVID being on the COVID of
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Reserve lift list. They're just gonna treat like an injury
that they're not gonna have them for a couple of weeks.
And you better have good backups and boy depth right
now around the national football they had never been so
important with what's going on. Adam Kaplan a guest here
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Depth is a
major major factor, especially when you have guys opting out,
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especially at some of the interior line positions and offense
and and on defense. It is Tom Brady's birthday, So
with with that in mind, let's dig in on Tampa,
a team that statistically played well defensively offensively, put up
huge numbers obviously massive turnovers, uh, from when they had
Jamis Winston as their quarterback. What's your sense of how
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difficult to transition this is gonna be for Tom Brady
because his style is so much different from what we've
always been accustomed to with Bruce Arians. Yeah, and and
you're right, Bruce Arians has been a little bit more
pass happy, but he also is willing to kind of
rain things in last year, they had no choice they
did not want Jamis Winston throwing for over forty times
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a game. But because they would get off to such
a bad start you were alluding to it, Jamis would
get the team behind, then he'd throw and and put
up big numbers. They're not They're They're gonna. They're gonna
They're actually gonna run a fairly conservative offense. This is
a little bit of a surprise. But they're gonna go
what we call twelve personnel because Rob Gronkowski's there. They're
gonna go with mostly two tight end sets. That that's
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a new that's something new for them. They haven't been
a twelve personnel team early in years because you know
about obviously Chris god Went at a who had a
breakout season, and Mike evans Um. But they're gonna They're
gonna go with a lot of two tight end sets.
And I wouldn't call them, I wouldn't call what they're
gonna do with conservative. I just don't think they're gonna
be pass happy. They did agree to a deal with
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Shawn McCoy. The run game is not great. I don't
know what McCoy has left. He was inactive for the
Super Bowl game. Uh, the Chiefs told me that was
mainly because of special teams. But McCoy is cut by
the Bills last summer and you just wonder if he's
got anything left. But it's not gonna be. Though they're
explosive wide receiver and they're very deep a tight end.
I don't think this is a team that's gonna be
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scoring over thirty points a game. I think their their defense,
as you mentioned, it was terrific, one of the best
defenses in the second half after a very tough spart
start uh last season for Todd Balllser defense coordinator. But
a lot of that, Doug, to be honest with you,
is because they're playing from behind and putting the defense
in a bad spot. And once they got healthy, they
they they kind of turn things around. But they're gonna
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be good. Look, every year, we all picked surprise teams.
Last year might my two were the Titans and forty niners.
And you can't call the Bucks a surprise, I guess
when you add Tom Brady. But it would surprise me
if they have if theyavorite record less than nine and seven.
Um now they've only they had a ten win season.
Since they want me to playoffs twice you know, since
they won the Super Bowl about ten years. Should have
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been about ten years since the last so it's even
more than that. It's fascinating to see if they could
turn around that culture that quickly, especially in that division.
We don't know about Carolina just yet. I feel like
Atlanta would have to be better since that disappointing start
last year. And of course you still have New Orleans.
That division very different from the a f C East. Um.
So p J. Hall gets traded, they didn't. They end
up cutting cutting him. How did it go so wrong
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for one of John Gruden's first draft picks. Yeah, this
was from the eighteen class. Now John has denied this,
but I know for a fact that it's true. He
had personnel control in eighteen. He's the one you remember
who traded Khalil mack He pushed them off the roster.
He asked Reggie mackenzie to get that trade done. What happens,
They reached for PJ. Hall. He was a undersized athletic
defensive tackle from a small school, and he was a
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guy that should have gone in rounds four to six.
They drafted the second and it's never a good sign.
They would have caught him if they weren't able to
trade him to the Vikings today, bad sign. Look you
when you take undersized players from small schools. Now, he
dominated at a small school level, but not the strongest
guy in the world. And he's just gonna be a
backup for the Vikings. And I would say over the overall, though,
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and in Gordon's three drafts, they've been mostly pretty good. Here,
it's just that was the eighteens draft does not look
great on paper. They got one starter, last year's looks phenomenal,
and this year's on paper, we talked to people on
the legal looks very very good. Well, maybe that's why
I reached out and hired Mike Mayock, Right, a guy
who knows what he's doing in regards to the draft,
has deposed to when John was trying to do it
him correct, Correct, he's done, Mike's done a good I'll
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tell you what Mike has done. I'm gonna tell exactly
what's happened from talking to the Raiders. Although John as
personnel control, Mike is willing to challenge him. And that
is exactly Doug what he needed, because just talking to
guys who have worked with John over the years, with
Tampa and Philly. Uh. Not always the easiest guy to
get along with, very headstrong sometimes he he those things
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a little in a rash fashion without giving a lot
of thought. And I think I think it's working pretty
well here with with Mayock and Gruden. Um, what's gonna
happen with Dalvin Cook? He they look they they've made
it clear to him they want to get this deal done. Um,
Dalvin is in a situation he's not gonna leave camp
because it's real simple. You lose a year of eligibility
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for free agency. That just the new CB A Doug
that was signed in March. It's just so it's just
so detrimental to hold out or leave camp and try
to come back. It just wouldn't work. So I think
they'll wind up getting a deal done, but it's gonna
be a little bit harder because he wants he wants
a market deal. The problem is he's had a significant
injury history. They love the player, but you know, Doug,
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the running back position has a big injury history. Guys
rarely make it to thirty and play at a high level.
I don't see him getting a deal that's gonna average
more than eleven eleven and a half million, Derrick Henry. Look,
the thing about Derrick Henry is he's shown he can
hot handle high volume carreas he's making twelve and a half. Ye,
he's also been very very durable. Yeah, I mean you
(28:04):
know that it's gonna be interesting with so many of
these running backs. Now, right, did did Christian McCaffrey reset
the market or did you only reset the market for
but yeah? But or is that only for Christian McCaffrey
because of his specific in Carolina? Everybody else is gone
and he catches a hundred balls out of a hundred balls.
You know, they're not paying big money for a quarterback,
paying twenty million dollars for a quarterback for three years
(28:26):
or two plus years whatever. So like, there are specific factors.
I understand that's not how agents do it, but that
is how it went down in Carolina. Right, Well, let's
put it this way. With Christian McCaffrey's son and deal
with just over sixteen million, that is the best running
back deal by fore in NFL history. Uh. And remember,
when you really look at it, McCaffrey signed his deal.
(28:48):
Quite frankly, they could have they could have tagged him
that who Actually he was on his fifth option was
next year. Then they had to they have the option
of using to franchise tags. So they're doing this deal
really in a sense four years early, and he's still
got a market deal. I got the best deal really
by far in NFL history at running back. The every
agent out there is gonna want to get this deal.
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But here's the difference. McCaffrey is better than all the
other backs. That's that's that's the thing that you mentioned it.
It's his versatility and it's durability. This was the knock
on him coming to the seventeen draft. No one knew
he could handle volume carries. But to this day he's
shown the ability to do that and he's been an
incredible story. He has been an absolutely incredible story. Doug
Otlive Show here on Fox Sports. Trade to Adam Kaplan
(29:29):
is our guest. Um. Things kind of died down in
Green Bay after the draft. Everybody Aaron Rodgers hot by then.
Aaron Rodgers did an interview with Good Morning Football, and
you know, he did his normal passive aggressive man. I
was really disappointed. I poured myself from tequila and whatever.
There we know first round picks They're gonna pay Jordan's
love like Jordan loves like a year away from being
(29:51):
a year away, you Like, I get they could have
gotten a wide receiver. But everyone I've spoken to in
the NFL understands the value of what they've done because considering, um,
Aaron Rodgers age, and that he has been hurt and
that eventually you're gonna have to find a replacement, you know,
And they're not gonna draft in the top ten the
draft because they have Aaron Rodgers. Um, what are you
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hearing in regards to how things are going in Green
Bay since the draft? Yeah, look, he's sire. He's clearly
disappointed that the belief within the Packers was that they
were going to draft at quarterback within the first two rounds.
But take that it was probably gonna be a wide
receiver then a quarterback. WELK, what did they do? They
didn't do that. They want quarterback Love a little bit
earlier than we expected. The Eagles, by the way, would
(30:34):
have drafted him in the third round. If they didn't
get the kid that they got in the second round
and and Love was there, they would have taken Love
and the third round. As I understand it, but what
they did was surprising. Despite Aaron Jones, I know he's
on the final of his deal. What they love him
number thirty three, they drafted A J. Dillons. So what
they're gonna do here, Doug. The belief or in the
league is they're gonna be extremely conservative offense. On offense,
(30:54):
it's gonna be a run based offense. It's no longer
to be Aaron Rodgers offense. And you're right they should
have draft at the receiver. They did not help him.
They didn't really help Davanta Adams. On the other side.
They like Allen Lazard, who was sunning off the Jack's
practice squad a couple of years ago. But the fact
of the matter is they have not gotten out any
really anything out of their young receivers and that's been
a major problem. I give them credit for making the playoffs,
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but the fact the matter, as you saw what happened
against the forty nine ers, they just couldn't score and
that becomes a big issue when you cannot move to
football against a good football team. Adam, great stuff, man,
really interesting. Um, I'm I like you am expecting us
to have a season. We'll we'll see what it looks like,
because this this stuff does seem to evolve and change
as every day goes by, and we'll see if the
players can have that personal accountability. Thanks so much for
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There was an article written by a bunch of um
a good number of unnamed pack twelve athletes. Well that's
what we're told yesterday. We'll get to that top of
the hour. I'll give you my thoughts on it. We'll
kind of go by their their demands, and we'll we'll
allow you to kind of interact with us some. Yeah.
(32:21):
Roland Martin tweeting at me, I need to go back
to school because I don't know anything about economics. It's
a journalism major with the masters in Uh what was
it rend? This masters in mm hmm, Christian communications. So
I have a marketing degree, man, spirit school business. Oh,
(32:46):
it doesn't make either of us more or less. We're
not econ guys, um. But I do have stats to
back up the general idea, which makes sense about why
I think a college scholarship is sort of in Wharton,
especially as it pertains to allowing yourself to get a
degree and then double down if you have somebody, if
(33:06):
you're the first one in your family to get a
college degree. We'll get to that top of the our first,
let's get to a game bag. This is game Time
Tide on the Doug Gottlieb Show, Bryan Finley, What do
you go? Our game is big deal, little deal, no deal?
(33:28):
And we start off Doug with packer, said coach Matt Lafleur,
saying he sees Aaron Rodgers as being the quarterback for
Green Bay for a really long time. Is this a
big deal, little deal or no deal? Well, it'll be
seen as a big deal, but it's really a little
deal because we're talking about this Adam kaplan. You know,
there's this oh they draft in the first round and
(33:49):
you're gonna go play, And it was like, look, he
was that's like buying somebody's future rights. No one thinks.
No one in the NFL thought Jordan's Love was ready
to play, and drafting him and dashing him like, look,
if they could have taken him in the first second round,
they would have, but somebody was gonna take him. So
you protect yourself, as Aaron Rodgers ages. If you look
at Aaron Rodgers contract, they're not trading him or cutting
(34:11):
him this year. That trading him cutting him next year.
All right, two more years, he gets two years developed,
and we'll see the likely it is Aaron Rodgers will
be at least three more years and then after that
if he hasn't renegotiated contract, he retires where he goes
and plays elsewhere, or he does the place in the
Packers like and the Jordan's Love picked to me, Yeah,
(34:32):
could you have gotten wide receiver? Sure? Okay, I think
we pointed out before the draft of the last nineteen
first round pick wide receivers three of hit. It's a
hard position to hit on and the top ones were
all taken, So you've been reaching for a need taking
them late in the first round. Um. But quarterbacks, on
the other hand, he doesn't lose value. This isn't like
(34:53):
a car. A wide receiver is like a car. You
drive it off the lot in value quarterback like a
classic car. Oh, it just keeps great and gaining value.
Like you don't even know how it's gonna hold up,
if it's going to spring a leak, what it's like
to drive. You just know, like that's a sixty six
Camaro and that's a Corvette, and that's what I want,
(35:14):
and so you buy. I think Jordan Love retains his value,
or his value even grows, as opposed to any other position.
I it's a little deal because this is what I
thought the packer's plan was all along, Doug. The Panthers
are hoping they have a Lincoln town Car, a shiny
Lincoln town Car with their new quarterback. And Teddy Bridgewater
who said this about Cam Newton, quote, I'm just honored
(35:37):
to be following in the position that he left behind
to get the opportunity to resume my career and quote
big deal, little deal, no deal. Oh wait, who said then?
So Teddy Bridgewater said this about Cam Newton and taking
over for him in Carolina, that he's honored to be
(35:57):
following in his position to get the opportunity to resume
his career in Carolina. Um, I don't know. It's a
little no deal. Yeah, you gotta say something nice about
the guy I came before you, but you don't really care,
Like he's like, hey, my leg almost fell off like
four years ago. Uh, and I made it back to
being a starting quarterback in the NFL. That's all I
care about, exactly. And then here's one for you, Doug. Actually,
(36:20):
in addition to this story, according to the Athletic, the St.
Louis Cardinals, they are not going to Detroit this week
that was supposed to be a series that would have
been held. Now eight positives six are for the St.
Louis Cardinals as far as coronavirus cases. One source even
telling Mark Saxson of the Athletic, the number is thirteen.
(36:42):
Is this a big deal, little deal or no deal?
And of course the report's coming that some of these
guys went to a casino and that's where the outbreak started. Uh,
it's a big deal. But it's a big deal because yeah,
they went to the casino. They didn't follow proper protocol.
Like this is not that hard. Yeah, it's not that hard.
(37:02):
We keep blaming. This is what we do in society.
We blame everybody else except for ourself. We have no
personal responsibility. Professional athlete, Okay, your job is to play
your sport. Your sport cannot survive for the season if
you can't simply go home after a game, just go home.
(37:23):
We'll pay it. We'll pay it anywhere from a couple
hundred thouand dollars to a few million dollars from July
and t October. This is not a big ask. Okay,
we're not talking about it's going to go into perpetuity
or whatever. Like, look, dude, we we understand it's things.
Your option is don't play, don't make any money or play,
and all we ask you to do is go from
(37:43):
home to the building and the building to home, and
that's it for like six months, max, max. And it's
not lasting six months. Cardinals are lasting six months. Alright, Right,
come on, personal responsibility. This is a big deal. It's
a big deal because it's a problem with us. This
(38:06):
is game time on the Dug Gottlieb Show. Doug gotlip
show here on Fox Sports Radio. So Bomani Jones uh
did the with all due respect thing, which you know
it's like, no disrespect, some disrespectfuls coming with all due respect.
Some disrespectful is coming. Roland Martin coming after me. Now, okay,
(38:28):
so I've stirred some stuff up because there's this piece
in the Players Tribune that has some ridiculous asks of
college athletics. Do you mean my thoughts? Get some of yours.
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You know, it's always interesting on how guys say one
thing and do another. I think I heard from Brian Finley,
who's doing her updates today that uh oh, b J says, yeah,
football shouldn't happen, but he's still showing up. It's like,
all right, you're not really helping. But anyway, you know,
(00:49):
they are showing up. They are in the NBA, they
are in the bubble. And I've there's a lot of
a lot of things that I can take away from
the first weekend of NBA games. But here's the big one.
Here's the important one. Here's the one that translates to
most all of these stories. The NBA's bubble, or the
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bubble in general, exposes you, right, I mean, look, This
happens with adversity in general, but with the NBA bubble,
it exposes you. Are you a guy that cannot manage
your body in preparation for games? The bubble is going
(01:31):
to expose you? How do I know that? Did you
watch Saturday? Saturday? Was the games are embarrassing because some
teams just had no juice, nothing in the tank, nothing,
and and the only, the only uh likely likely answer
(01:52):
I can take from that is that there's just dudes
that are not ready. They're not in shape, and while
they're in great physical condition, they're not in basketball regular
to postseason level shape. Because if you are, when you're
fine after a day off, and if you're not, when
(02:15):
dude you get exposed, your body locks up, your game suffers,
you can't cover people. It becomes almost humiliating. I'm not
sure if you guys saw what the Clippers did on
a on a Saturday afternoon, but it was absolutely, uh
(02:35):
thoroughly and completely embarrassing to the New Orleans Pelicans. The
Lakers were much the same way they get beat by.
It was a much closer game than the final score,
but there were guys that just didn't have any juice
in the Tank Denver, same thing. And remember Denver's a
team they're gonna get exposed because they rely on altitude,
They rely on the home court advantage, which is unique
(02:57):
to anyone in the sport. So the bubble doesn't just
expose that. Look at at Zion Williamson and how out
of shape he's looked. It exposes that Zion conflets all
he wants and show us what great physical condition he
had gotten himself into during quarantine. The only thing we
(03:18):
can go by is and I know he spent time
away from the bubble, but when you're away from the bubble,
that doesn't mean you can't go running every day. That
doesn't mean you can't find a way to train. Yes,
you come back, you get quarantined for four days, Granted
you can't do anything. But he's been back for a
week and he looks awful. For Zion Williamson, and they're
barely playing him. It's not like he's playing in thirty
(03:38):
five minutes and he's gassed at the end of twenty
five minutes. They're playing him in two or three minute
stretches and he can't get up and down the basketball floor.
The bubble also exposes if you really love hoop. You know,
you watch some of these guys. They're going to other
teams games. It's like an AU tournament, whether it's their
boys or something they want to play or pick up
(04:00):
on something. There's no fanfare, they don't have to fight
for a ticket. They just go like, hey, I'm gonna
go over to the game and they walk in. You
get to find out who really loves who, who takes
care of their body, who really loves hoop? And last night,
you know what else got exposed? Jannat tent a coopo.
Janice is a spectacular talent. I mean his size, his strength,
(04:24):
he's so long. Dude can get to the cup literally
won driable from the from the NBA three point line
and euro step and finish at the rim and for
three and a half quarters. That stuff works. But the
Houston Rockets, and let's give some credit to the Houston Rockets,
(04:44):
who were getting body blowed, body blow, body blow, body blow.
Brook Lopez is eaten down there in the low post.
Joannice was eating some of loposts. They're just body blowing them.
But they stuck with it and Janice gagged away what
should have been a quality possession, important possession. He leaves
(05:05):
his feet where nowhere to go and turns the basketball
over and looked very much like a guy who didn't
totally know what he wanted to do or when he
wanted to do it. The bubble exposed him as being
not inexperienced, but inexperienced in a game played at that level.
All right, that that was a that was I'm not
(05:28):
sure what I'm supposed to do right now, but what
And and look, Harden has this all the time. And
by the way, as great as Hardened stats were, you know,
the possession before Hardener was around, nobody else touches the ball.
He settles for a twenty eight ft three that comes
up short, and that's when Johannas had the ball. So
it's not like Harden's perfect, and Harden has had far
more experiences. But the stuff Janice is able to get
(05:54):
away with quarters one through three is the stuff he's
able to get away with in the regular season. He's
not usually able to get away with in the playoffs.
And last night was exposure. It just went straight to
the hoop and missed. We almost give him a pass.
I mean, like, look, Lebron got caught up in mid
air the game winner against the Clippers. It wasn't a
(06:15):
great shot. He went and followed a shot and tipped
it in. But at least, and maybe this is more
confirmation bias, at least, Lebron looked like he knew what
he was trying to do. I'm gonna go up and
I'm gonna shot the shot regardless, and then if I'm missing,
I'm gonna go get it, whereas Janice was like, I
don't know what I'm supposed. I'm just gonna drive as
hard as I can and then, oh man, maybe I
should pass, maybe I should Oh no, now listen. It
(06:40):
doesn't mean that he's a bad basketball players and he's
massively overrated, shouldn't be the m v P. But when
you see him drive and four shots and he's got
shooters open, when you see him getting offensive rebound, he's
got Kyle Korver, who's anna lead shooter open, and he
misses him. When you see him in a vital possession
leave his would know where to go and throw a
(07:01):
cross core paths that gets intercepted, you start to go like, wow,
he looks young, he looks in experience, He looks unsure
and and these are the differences between really good teams
and championship teams. You know, it's it's it's it's like
(07:22):
one of these deals where you don't they always say
we was a bit of maker miss league, Like, okay,
that's true for the championship teams. Sometimes you're gonna miss shots.
Sometimes you're gonna make shots. Now you can do. But
when you turn it over or you miss, you miss
passing the guys who are wide open. When you force
things and it looks clunky. It looked clunky for them
much down the stretch, unless there was a time out
(07:43):
called to get him an obvious clear out. It just
looks clunky. That's what's happened in the playoffs, and that's
what the bubble exposed. Now, the good news is there
is still time, right, you still have six more games,
granted not all of them. We play at that level.
Then you'll have a couple of rounds in the playoffs.
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But if there's a fear, it's a healthy fear for
Buck fans, for Janice fans, or maybe it's not a fear,
it's a hope for Warrior fans who think they can
get you honest, or for Nick fans who think they
can get you, honest or for Laker fans or whoever
thinks they can get him, because he's really not there yet,
(08:25):
and we're trying to make him there because the stats
and the m v P Awards say he should be there.
He is a marvelous talent, an incredible physical specimen sized dexterity,
and he's a smart player, right, but smart players can
(08:45):
make bad decisions and when pressure impacts it and you're
you're not making the quality decisions and you're turning the
ball over and missing guys that that have to get
the ball when they're open because that's what they're on
the floor for. Yeah, I thought the bubble exposed that.
(09:06):
The bubble exposed that, and the bubbles exploded exposed the
Lakers lack of depth, and the bubbles exposed how some
guys aren't really nearly as good as shape as their
bodies would tell you. The bubbles as exposed, that really
exposed so and you know what the bubble also exposed. Look,
Karmolo Anthony is incredible shape, like the best shape of
(09:27):
his life. Am I the only one who watches him
and thinks, you know, had Carmelo gotten into great shape.
Ten years ago, much of the narrative aout Carmelo anthony
would be different. I remember I was on an airplane
and I haven't done this recently, but I used to
like always grab a magazine or if you didn't have
a book, you have a magazine. If I didn't have
video to watch for a game, and I grabbed like
(09:48):
a Men's Fitness maybe or Men's Health, or they're not
the same magazine, but you know what I mean. And
they have these little blurbs, and it had Carmelo anthonies
like day of game meals and never forget, like his
pregame meal for nighttime game was like pancakes, sausage syrup,
you know, like orange. I was like, dude, all of
that sugar that we might as well go out and
(10:09):
need a candy bar beforehand. Yeah, I have my my
chef make me this. You know, fresh squeeze orange juice
is incredible, pancakes with whipped cream on type of like, dude,
what are you getting angio plastic after the game? And
oh yeah, by the way, you're on a sugar high.
Like I watched Carmelo, who's an incredible shape for a
(10:29):
guy who's mid thirties and is playing pretty really well,
moving around really well, and I'm like, where was this
the last twelve years? Coming up next, the co Coaches
of the Year miss on the Rodney Danger field of
NBA coaching. We get some football for you, by the
way to Adam Kaplan will join us in twenty minutes.
(10:50):
But the the guy who should be the Coach the
Year isn't even getting mentioned. We'll explain that next. Be
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NBA sources are reporting that Billy Donovan is gonna be
(11:12):
the co Coach of the Year with Mike Buddenholzer Buddholser
Budd as he's known, which doesn't actually make sense, right,
If it's Budenholzer, why isn't it coach Bood, Why is
it coach Budd? We have this in in at Louisville
as well. Right, it's the Ville, But if you talk
to somebody from Louisville, they say Louisville like vu l
(11:34):
l evil Loui Louisville. It's really confusing that it's coach
bud and yet it's my Buddenholzer, Yes, right, music Thibodeaux
and tips, yeah, same thing. Yeah, I'm not sure how
that adds up. I don't know why isn't it Tibbs?
Why why is it not Thibs? Why is it TIBs?
(11:56):
And yet it's clearly Thibodeaux and pronounced Thibodeaux. It's like
somebody mispronounced it along the way. You know, you actually,
you know. He's the most mispronounced name in the NBA. Now,
Fred VanVleet. You watch when the Raptors play without fail,
at least two times a half he'll be called van Fleet.
There's no it's if there's now f. It is not
(12:18):
van Fleet. It is not Fleeting. It is bleeding v
u v A n v l e e T. That's
how you spelled VanVleet. Anyway, you would think we would
have that one, but we don't. We do that with now.
Nawitski is a little more difficult, but we do. We
we do. Mispronounced is it Dewitsky? It's not no Witsky's Nawitsky.
(12:39):
I know it's a w It's a German name. Anyway,
where was I oh yeah, yeah, Buddenholzer, Boodholeser, and Billy Donovan.
So look, I tweeted out that, how's Nick Nurse Doun
on this list? Right? He loses Kawaid Leonard and they,
you know, we're essentially same spot record wise this year
as they were last year. But then I even thought
(13:02):
about it, and I was like, you know, is the
Rodney Dangerfield of the NBA in terms of coaching? Does
the Rodney dangerfield make sense to most people? Is that
too data reference? When was the last time you thought
of Rodney Danger? I do think Rodney Danervilds. I'll tell
you I get no respect, no respect at all. Right,
(13:23):
do you guys remember Rodde Dangerfield passed away? I got
the call. Rodney was great man, great funny comedian, great
one line, one liners. Of course many people know from Caddyshack,
but you know it's his stand up comedy routine was
and I was also old it was it? Not old school?
Was it back to school? Back to school? Triple indy? No,
(13:43):
not a real dive but fun unless anyway, the real
Rodney Dangerfield, the real night Rodney Dangerfield of uh of
NBA coaches, I think has to be Frank Bolt. They're like,
whoa Frank Vogel hold On, We're talking about Mike Budenholzer.
(14:06):
They're fifty four and thirteen. We're talking about Nick Nurse,
who's eighteen. But they lost Kauai Leonard. We're talking about
Billy Donovan, who you know, they traded away Russell Westbrook.
Everybody thought that they were gonna tank and Chris Paul
was gonna be traded and here they are at like,
all right, the Lakers had the breast record in the
(14:28):
West by a mile, right, fifty and fifteen. Last year
they were an abject disaster. They they they have basically
a brand new team. It was it was a five
for one trade. And what it was five for one trade?
It lost a point guard, Brandon Ingram, the point guard,
(14:49):
lonz of Ball, Josh Hart. Who else? Well, Zubach got
traded last year, all right, somebody else I'm forgetting as
well that that's gone. And they got Anthony Davis. But
they've also dealt with Rondo, who's hard to deal with.
And Rondo has been in now the lineup. Avery Bradley
was terrible to start the year. They thought they were
(15:11):
getting Darren Carlinson. He didn't come out of retirement either
time they asked him. Kyle Kuzma has been hurt and
then hasn't played well. They hired Jason first. They were
gonna hire Tyler whose boys with Lebron, only to only
offer him a three year deal. So he took a
deal which some people thought was below market value. And
(15:33):
they took on Jason Kidd, who some people thought would
be nipping at his heels, to be the head coach. Oh,
and Kobe died in Super Bowl weekend. You know, not
that he coached Kobe, but just the emotions of it,
managing all that, managing coaching Lebron, managing coaching um Anthony Davis,
(15:58):
and the team performing better than anyone could have expected.
You didn't think they'd have the best record the West,
did you? No? And and this is the Lebron effect.
When things go bad, it's somebody else's fault. Yes, Skip
may put it on on Lebron, but most people put
it on you know, and they lose to Wow j R. Wow,
(16:18):
Tyler Wow. It's always somebody else's fault when they lose
and when they win. But it couldn't be your head coach.
It would have to be you know the Brons with
the head coach. Right last year when they were losing,
it's Waltons new he's doing looks anover's kise, doesn't know
what he's doing. Now they're winning. It's like, man, Lebron
is basically coaching this team. Which is it? He only
(16:39):
coaches the team when they win, but never when they lose. No, no, no, no,
he he he allows Okay, So if he allows himself
to be coached and the coach really coaches, then his
head coach should be Coach of the Year. And and
I said that Lebron, I think in terms of overall value,
what he has been able to do and how he's
(17:00):
been able to help her round that franchise should be
the m v P of that team considering where they were.
And he was a part of the problems last year.
But I'm just stunned that Frank Vocal is not getting
any love. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific.
Here's my friend vanileet story. Adam Capit's gonna join us
in a second. Um So, my first n c A
(17:23):
tournament that I covered was in Salt Lake City and
which to State took on Pittsburgh in the first game,
and then they beat gonzag At the number one seed
in the second game. They went on to the Final four.
And I've done Greg Marshall for a long time, and um, well,
you get an hour with the team on the court
the day before their games when you're working for CBS.
(17:44):
So I'm on the court and I'm talking to Greg
and I said, Greg, I really like the freshman point
guard and he's which which one, Baker? I was like,
I love Baker. I was like, I like, like Van Vleet,
he's not very athletic, but man, he's got them here
and he goes high major balls. That's what he's got.
He's got high major balls. He will take any shot
(18:04):
and know it's going in. He's got some. And I
was like, yeah, I was like, man, because they they
were just out of the Valley Tournament, like you know,
they had like a week off because it's early, and
that was he was just cased like, you know, not
a crazy athlete. He literally's like but man, he's tougher
than hell. He's got some high major balls. So anyways,
that's how he's described by his college. Because let's welcome
in Adam kaplan of course is uh serious x M
(18:26):
NFL inside, he joins in the Doug Otlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Um, you're you're where? What are your
thoughts on the volume of guys opting out at him?
Du good to be with you. Yeah, look it. I
would say I'm a little bit surprised at the number
we had more today and some of them, Doug, are
starting NFL players. Uh. The Bears lost one of the
(18:48):
best defensive players in Anie Goldman. That's a significant loss.
Now what we have not seen as a team loose
their quarterback for the season, the starter. So uh, that
is when it becomes really problematic. Now the rosters, Doug.
This season, the practice squads have been expanded from twelve
to sixteen. There's a special rules in place just for
this season to help alleviate any issue if there's a
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there's a break. It's just a bad situation with a
team where you lose ten and twelve players. This this
actually could help, but that is the actually the greatest
fear for one building. Um having a just an a
rash of of COVID tests that are positive and that
would deter them from playing in a in a given
a week. If you're you're you're without so many players.
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And the other thing is Doug you also get concerned
about coaches getting them. And then we know Doug Peterson,
the Eagles head coach, has tested positive twice for COVID
and he's not with a team currently, though he did
have a press briefing today. Yeah, it's it's it's it's
really fascinating. The quarterback thing is interesting because, Uh, the
guys that play without gloves, they're touching the football, which
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could be essentially a Petree dish being passed around right. Um.
On the other hand, you know, you could have the
center with gloves, I guess, and wide receivers wear gloves
and maybe nobody, nobody, nobody touches it, although the everybody
breathes on it like that. That part is is fascinating.
Um level of confidence that the season gets started underway
on time pretty high and pretty high. Um. There would
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have to be an outbreak, is the way that it
had been described me by league source that and it
would have to be a bunch of team for them
to even consider it. They they feel like the protocols
are so strong, and I will tell you Duff from
talking to coaches and executives have been in their buildings already.
They're there for training camp. They're just they The league
has done a great job also with the NFL p
(20:33):
a of of putting in protocols that make it really,
really safe. But the biggest concern, Doug, the teams tell
me they have is what happens with the players when
they leave the building. You saw what happened in Major
League Baseball with the Phillies and Marlins. Marlin's player did
not follow the protocols. We had a couple of small
issues in the NBA, you know, and and the NHL
you heard on that update. They're doing a good job.
(20:54):
But the biggest fear from NFL folks, they tell me
they seem to agree on this is when what happens
when the players leave the building. Do they just go
straight home? Do they have the right people in their house?
Have those people been tested? Those are the concerns that
NFL people have. Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
By the way, I just called up by Roland Martin.
I don't know anything about anything, because we'll get to
(21:16):
that in a second, that's pretty cool. Um anyway, Um okay,
So let's let's let's dive in on specific teams. It
feels like the Patriots have been most decimated by opt outs.
Is that still the case? Yes, they doug they've right now,
and the number could go up because there's still a
couple more days stopped out. They've lost eight players both sides,
(21:39):
the NFL and NFL p A. They've agreed to a
deal here, it's over two weeks ago, but it has
not been signed, so players could still opt out, and
they've looked. They've lost a starting offensive lineman. They've lost
some depth at wide receiver, they lost a starting linebacker,
they lost their the boy that their heart and soul
of their secondary and Patrick Chung, who has just been
a Bill Belichick guy from day one. You keep losing
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these leaders on defensive defensive surprise people. Last year they
caused a lot of turnovers, did a good job. These
are some impactful absence they're gonna having. I'll say this much.
This is this is what a coach told me the
other day. I thought this is interesting. He said he's
gonna treat if players cannot play over a couple of
weeks span due to COVID being on the COVID of
(22:22):
Reserve lift list. They're just gonna treat like an injury
that they're not gonna have them for a couple of weeks.
And you better have good backups and boy depth right
now around the national football they had never been so
important with what's going on. Adam Kaplan a guest here
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Depth is a
major major factor, especially when you have guys opting out,
(22:42):
especially at some of the interior line positions and offense
and and on defense. It is Tom Brady's birthday, So
with with that in mind, let's dig in on Tampa,
a team that statistically played well defensively offensively, put up
huge numbers obviously massive turnovers, uh, from when they had
Jamis Winston as their quarterback. What's your sense of how
(23:04):
difficult to transition this is gonna be for Tom Brady
because his style is so much different from what we've
always been accustomed to with Bruce Arians. Yeah, and and
you're right, Bruce Arians has been a little bit more
pass happy, but he also is willing to kind of
rain things in last year, they had no choice they
did not want Jamis Winston throwing for over forty times
(23:24):
a game. But because they would get off to such
a bad start you were alluding to it, Jamis would
get the team behind, then he'd throw and and put
up big numbers. They're not They're They're gonna. They're gonna
They're actually gonna run a fairly conservative offense. This is
a little bit of a surprise. But they're gonna go
what we call twelve personnel because Rob Gronkowski's there. They're
gonna go with mostly two tight end sets. That that's
(23:45):
a new that's something new for them. They haven't been
a twelve personnel team early in years because you know
about obviously Chris god Went at a who had a
breakout season, and Mike evans Um. But they're gonna They're
gonna go with a lot of two tight end sets.
And I wouldn't call them, I wouldn't call what they're
gonna do with conservative. I just don't think they're gonna
be pass happy. They did agree to a deal with
(24:05):
Shawn McCoy. The run game is not great. I don't
know what McCoy has left. He was inactive for the
Super Bowl game. Uh, the Chiefs told me that was
mainly because of special teams. But McCoy is cut by
the Bills last summer and you just wonder if he's
got anything left. But it's not gonna be. Though they're
explosive wide receiver and they're very deep a tight end.
I don't think this is a team that's gonna be
(24:27):
scoring over thirty points a game. I think their their defense,
as you mentioned, it was terrific, one of the best
defenses in the second half after a very tough spart
start uh last season for Todd Balllser defense coordinator. But
a lot of that, Doug, to be honest with you,
is because they're playing from behind and putting the defense
in a bad spot. And once they got healthy, they
they they kind of turn things around. But they're gonna
(24:48):
be good. Look, every year, we all picked surprise teams.
Last year might my two were the Titans and forty niners.
And you can't call the Bucks a surprise, I guess
when you add Tom Brady. But it would surprise me
if they have if theyavorite record less than nine and seven.
Um now they've only they had a ten win season.
Since they want me to playoffs twice you know, since
they won the Super Bowl about ten years. Should have
(25:10):
been about ten years since the last so it's even
more than that. It's fascinating to see if they could
turn around that culture that quickly, especially in that division.
We don't know about Carolina just yet. I feel like
Atlanta would have to be better since that disappointing start
last year. And of course you still have New Orleans.
That division very different from the a f C East. Um.
So p J. Hall gets traded, they didn't. They end
up cutting cutting him. How did it go so wrong
(25:32):
for one of John Gruden's first draft picks. Yeah, this
was from the eighteen class. Now John has denied this,
but I know for a fact that it's true. He
had personnel control in eighteen. He's the one you remember
who traded Khalil mack He pushed them off the roster.
He asked Reggie mackenzie to get that trade done. What happens,
They reached for PJ. Hall. He was a undersized athletic
defensive tackle from a small school, and he was a
(25:55):
guy that should have gone in rounds four to six.
They drafted the second and it's never a good sign.
They would have caught him if they weren't able to
trade him to the Vikings today, bad sign. Look you
when you take undersized players from small schools. Now, he
dominated at a small school level, but not the strongest
guy in the world. And he's just gonna be a
backup for the Vikings. And I would say over the overall, though,
(26:18):
and in Gordon's three drafts, they've been mostly pretty good. Here,
it's just that was the eighteens draft does not look
great on paper. They got one starter, last year's looks phenomenal,
and this year's on paper, we talked to people on
the legal looks very very good. Well, maybe that's why
I reached out and hired Mike Mayock, Right, a guy
who knows what he's doing in regards to the draft,
has deposed to when John was trying to do it
him correct, Correct, he's done, Mike's done a good I'll
(26:38):
tell you what Mike has done. I'm gonna tell exactly
what's happened from talking to the Raiders. Although John as
personnel control, Mike is willing to challenge him. And that
is exactly Doug what he needed, because just talking to
guys who have worked with John over the years, with
Tampa and Philly. Uh. Not always the easiest guy to
get along with, very headstrong sometimes he he those things
(27:00):
a little in a rash fashion without giving a lot
of thought. And I think I think it's working pretty
well here with with Mayock and Gruden. Um, what's gonna
happen with Dalvin Cook? He they look they they've made
it clear to him they want to get this deal done. Um,
Dalvin is in a situation he's not gonna leave camp
because it's real simple. You lose a year of eligibility
(27:21):
for free agency. That just the new CB A Doug
that was signed in March. It's just so it's just
so detrimental to hold out or leave camp and try
to come back. It just wouldn't work. So I think
they'll wind up getting a deal done, but it's gonna
be a little bit harder because he wants he wants
a market deal. The problem is he's had a significant
injury history. They love the player, but you know, Doug,
(27:42):
the running back position has a big injury history. Guys
rarely make it to thirty and play at a high level.
I don't see him getting a deal that's gonna average
more than eleven eleven and a half million, Derrick Henry. Look,
the thing about Derrick Henry is he's shown he can
hot handle high volume carreas he's making twelve and a half. Ye,
he's also been very very durable. Yeah, I mean you
(28:04):
know that it's gonna be interesting with so many of
these running backs. Now, right, did did Christian McCaffrey reset
the market or did you only reset the market for
but yeah? But or is that only for Christian McCaffrey
because of his specific in Carolina? Everybody else is gone
and he catches a hundred balls out of a hundred balls.
You know, they're not paying big money for a quarterback,
paying twenty million dollars for a quarterback for three years
(28:26):
or two plus years whatever. So like, there are specific factors.
I understand that's not how agents do it, but that
is how it went down in Carolina. Right, Well, let's
put it this way. With Christian McCaffrey's son and deal
with just over sixteen million, that is the best running
back deal by fore in NFL history. Uh. And remember,
when you really look at it, McCaffrey signed his deal.
(28:48):
Quite frankly, they could have they could have tagged him
that who Actually he was on his fifth option was
next year. Then they had to they have the option
of using to franchise tags. So they're doing this deal
really in a sense four years early, and he's still
got a market deal. I got the best deal really
by far in NFL history at running back. The every
agent out there is gonna want to get this deal.
(29:08):
But here's the difference. McCaffrey is better than all the
other backs. That's that's that's the thing that you mentioned it.
It's his versatility and it's durability. This was the knock
on him coming to the seventeen draft. No one knew
he could handle volume carries. But to this day he's
shown the ability to do that and he's been an
incredible story. He has been an absolutely incredible story. Doug
Otlive Show here on Fox Sports. Trade to Adam Kaplan
(29:29):
is our guest. Um. Things kind of died down in
Green Bay after the draft. Everybody Aaron Rodgers hot by then.
Aaron Rodgers did an interview with Good Morning Football, and
you know, he did his normal passive aggressive man. I
was really disappointed. I poured myself from tequila and whatever.
There we know first round picks They're gonna pay Jordan's
love like Jordan loves like a year away from being
(29:51):
a year away, you Like, I get they could have
gotten a wide receiver. But everyone I've spoken to in
the NFL understands the value of what they've done because considering, um,
Aaron Rodgers age, and that he has been hurt and
that eventually you're gonna have to find a replacement, you know,
And they're not gonna draft in the top ten the
draft because they have Aaron Rodgers. Um, what are you
(30:13):
hearing in regards to how things are going in Green
Bay since the draft? Yeah, look, he's sire. He's clearly
disappointed that the belief within the Packers was that they
were going to draft at quarterback within the first two rounds.
But take that it was probably gonna be a wide
receiver then a quarterback. WELK, what did they do? They
didn't do that. They want quarterback Love a little bit
earlier than we expected. The Eagles, by the way, would
(30:34):
have drafted him in the third round. If they didn't
get the kid that they got in the second round
and and Love was there, they would have taken Love
and the third round. As I understand it, but what
they did was surprising. Despite Aaron Jones, I know he's
on the final of his deal. What they love him
number thirty three, they drafted A J. Dillons. So what
they're gonna do here, Doug. The belief or in the
league is they're gonna be extremely conservative offense. On offense,
(30:54):
it's gonna be a run based offense. It's no longer
to be Aaron Rodgers offense. And you're right they should
have draft at the receiver. They did not help him.
They didn't really help Davanta Adams. On the other side.
They like Allen Lazard, who was sunning off the Jack's
practice squad a couple of years ago. But the fact
of the matter is they have not gotten out any
really anything out of their young receivers and that's been
a major problem. I give them credit for making the playoffs,
(31:17):
but the fact the matter, as you saw what happened
against the forty nine ers, they just couldn't score and
that becomes a big issue when you cannot move to
football against a good football team. Adam, great stuff, man,
really interesting. Um, I'm I like you am expecting us
to have a season. We'll we'll see what it looks like,
because this this stuff does seem to evolve and change
as every day goes by, and we'll see if the
players can have that personal accountability. Thanks so much for
(31:39):
joining us. You gotta thank you, Ahi, Adam Kaplan joined us.
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There was an article written by a bunch of um
a good number of unnamed pack twelve athletes. Well that's
what we're told yesterday. We'll get to that top of
the hour. I'll give you my thoughts on it. We'll
kind of go by their their demands, and we'll we'll
allow you to kind of interact with us some. Yeah.
(32:21):
Roland Martin tweeting at me, I need to go back
to school because I don't know anything about economics. It's
a journalism major with the masters in Uh what was
it rend? This masters in mm hmm, Christian communications. So
I have a marketing degree, man, spirit school business. Oh,
(32:46):
it doesn't make either of us more or less. We're
not econ guys, um. But I do have stats to
back up the general idea, which makes sense about why
I think a college scholarship is sort of in Wharton,
especially as it pertains to allowing yourself to get a
degree and then double down if you have somebody, if
(33:06):
you're the first one in your family to get a
college degree. We'll get to that top of the our first,
let's get to a game bag. This is game Time
Tide on the Doug Gottlieb Show, Bryan Finley, What do
you go? Our game is big deal, little deal, no deal?
(33:28):
And we start off Doug with packer, said coach Matt Lafleur,
saying he sees Aaron Rodgers as being the quarterback for
Green Bay for a really long time. Is this a
big deal, little deal or no deal? Well, it'll be
seen as a big deal, but it's really a little
deal because we're talking about this Adam kaplan. You know,
there's this oh they draft in the first round and
(33:49):
you're gonna go play, And it was like, look, he
was that's like buying somebody's future rights. No one thinks.
No one in the NFL thought Jordan's Love was ready
to play, and drafting him and dashing him like, look,
if they could have taken him in the first second round,
they would have, but somebody was gonna take him. So
you protect yourself, as Aaron Rodgers ages. If you look
at Aaron Rodgers contract, they're not trading him or cutting
(34:11):
him this year. That trading him cutting him next year.
All right, two more years, he gets two years developed,
and we'll see the likely it is Aaron Rodgers will
be at least three more years and then after that
if he hasn't renegotiated contract, he retires where he goes
and plays elsewhere, or he does the place in the
Packers like and the Jordan's Love picked to me, Yeah,
(34:32):
could you have gotten wide receiver? Sure? Okay, I think
we pointed out before the draft of the last nineteen
first round pick wide receivers three of hit. It's a
hard position to hit on and the top ones were
all taken, So you've been reaching for a need taking
them late in the first round. Um. But quarterbacks, on
the other hand, he doesn't lose value. This isn't like
(34:53):
a car. A wide receiver is like a car. You
drive it off the lot in value quarterback like a
classic car. Oh, it just keeps great and gaining value.
Like you don't even know how it's gonna hold up,
if it's going to spring a leak, what it's like
to drive. You just know, like that's a sixty six
Camaro and that's a Corvette, and that's what I want,
(35:14):
and so you buy. I think Jordan Love retains his value,
or his value even grows, as opposed to any other position.
I it's a little deal because this is what I
thought the packer's plan was all along, Doug. The Panthers
are hoping they have a Lincoln town Car, a shiny
Lincoln town Car with their new quarterback. And Teddy Bridgewater
who said this about Cam Newton, quote, I'm just honored
(35:37):
to be following in the position that he left behind
to get the opportunity to resume my career and quote
big deal, little deal, no deal. Oh wait, who said then?
So Teddy Bridgewater said this about Cam Newton and taking
over for him in Carolina, that he's honored to be
(35:57):
following in his position to get the opportunity to resume
his career in Carolina. Um, I don't know. It's a
little no deal. Yeah, you gotta say something nice about
the guy I came before you, but you don't really care,
Like he's like, hey, my leg almost fell off like
four years ago. Uh, and I made it back to
being a starting quarterback in the NFL. That's all I
care about, exactly. And then here's one for you, Doug. Actually,
(36:20):
in addition to this story, according to the Athletic, the St.
Louis Cardinals, they are not going to Detroit this week
that was supposed to be a series that would have
been held. Now eight positives six are for the St.
Louis Cardinals as far as coronavirus cases. One source even
telling Mark Saxson of the Athletic, the number is thirteen.
(36:42):
Is this a big deal, little deal or no deal?
And of course the report's coming that some of these
guys went to a casino and that's where the outbreak started. Uh,
it's a big deal. But it's a big deal because yeah,
they went to the casino. They didn't follow proper protocol.
Like this is not that hard. Yeah, it's not that hard.
(37:02):
We keep blaming. This is what we do in society.
We blame everybody else except for ourself. We have no
personal responsibility. Professional athlete, Okay, your job is to play
your sport. Your sport cannot survive for the season if
you can't simply go home after a game, just go home.
(37:23):
We'll pay it. We'll pay it anywhere from a couple
hundred thouand dollars to a few million dollars from July
and t October. This is not a big ask. Okay,
we're not talking about it's going to go into perpetuity
or whatever. Like, look, dude, we we understand it's things.
Your option is don't play, don't make any money or play,
and all we ask you to do is go from
(37:43):
home to the building and the building to home, and
that's it for like six months, max, max. And it's
not lasting six months. Cardinals are lasting six months. Alright, Right,
come on, personal responsibility. This is a big deal. It's
a big deal because it's a problem with us. This
(38:06):
is game time on the Dug Gottlieb Show. Doug gotlip
show here on Fox Sports Radio. So Bomani Jones uh
did the with all due respect thing, which you know
it's like, no disrespect, some disrespectfuls coming with all due respect.
Some disrespectful is coming. Roland Martin coming after me. Now, okay,
(38:28):
so I've stirred some stuff up because there's this piece
in the Players Tribune that has some ridiculous asks of
college athletics. Do you mean my thoughts? Get some of yours.
We'll do some next on The Doug Gotlip Show, Fox
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