August 4, 2020 • 28 mins
Doug compares Zion Williamson to another star player in the NBA and what it will take for him to reach his full potential. He also discusses Jimmy Garoppolo’s status as the 49er starting QB after rumors about the team trying to sign Tom Brady in free agency. Plus NBA Insider Chris Mannix joins the show live from inside the Orlando bubble to tell Doug if the Lakers the team to beat in the West after locking up the #1 seed in the Western Conference.
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of the Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Last night,
Zion Williamson statistically had a great night. Um in in
the bubble and I heard Colin cow heard who I
was on his show and who I like a great
deal talking about Zion is better than everything would have thought.
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This of course comes on the heels of me saying that, um,
yesterday that I thought I thought, Szion just looks heavy,
looks heavy, looks like somebody who is more likely to
be hurt because of how heavy he is, and how
disappointed I am in is it ability to maintain this
proper conditioning. And so then I was trying to think,
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if we've seen Zion Williamson before, we've we've seen and
a lot of people they want to do Rodney Rogers,
you know, they would have more athletic Draymond Green. There's
a lot of different ways in which you might want
to do it. I think I have the parallel to
whose Zion is and the challenges that are ahead of it.
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I think Zi Williamson is closer to Joel and beat Wait. Wait,
Joel embat is like seven ft seven ft one dynamic
center from Africa. Zion Williamson six five and a half
ways more but wide like a linebacker or defensive lineman.
Like this is a totally different dude. Okay, I will
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give you that. In terms of their build, their built differently,
but but for positional and size at letticism, they're both off.
The charge will be fair with that. Like Joel Embiid
has incredible feet and hands an agility for a man
his size. Wait, okay, with that, I would say Zion Williamson,
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Zion has incredible athletic ability for a man of his size.
It's a different build. There's a freakish quality to the athletically. Additionally,
both of the kind of guys like man I would
enjoy just hanging out playing video games for those guys.
Joel's funny, you know, he told people when he went
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to Kansas some story about him killing a lion. No
one knows whether it's true or not, but that's kind
of part of the allure to it. And Zion is
a completely and thoroughly and significantly more likable person than
most anyone who's come down. The shoot from Duke doesn't
mean Duke's got bad guys. It just means, you know,
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when I think of Duke, I don't necessarily think that's
a likable group right there. Some of it's the images
that we painted. Some of it's just the sense that, well,
they've gotta be arrogant because they're so good. They must
know they're so good. Zion made Duke likable. You can't
miss the athletic feats that they have. They have limitless
potential at their position. They are unique, they are athletic,
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They have great, big personalities, but they have one massive
fundamental flaw. I saw Zion. He didn't play much defense
last night, and the more I watch him, the more
I become disappointed with where he is right now. He's
playing like a He's playing every game like it's an
all star game, trying to leak out and get dugs.
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But I look at Zion and I think you know,
he's got to spend whatever it takes. Whatever it costs
to have a guy travel with him, hang with him
twenty four hours a day, sixty five days a year.
That may sure they know what he's eating and what
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he's doing to work on his body. We talked about
about Joel Embiad before and bed could literally be the
greatest center in the history of the NBA. But his
body has broken down several times over that's limited him.
And his conditioning was a factored last year in the playoffs,
and that limited him. And like, whatever it costs, it's
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a hundred thousand dollars is two h three? Who cares?
Like you can make forty fifty million dollars a year
if you achieve the peak of what you should be
basketball wise, but you cannot get there with whatever you're
currently doing. It's just not good enough. There's no way
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to say whatever program diet wise, workout wise, whatever that
the Pelicans have or of allowed Zi Williamson to operate on,
is good enough. It's just not. And I'm not saying
he's ever gonna be a bean pole. I'm not saying
he's ever going to lose fifty pounds, but man, you
gotta lose twenty. You gotta proportionalize it. You gotta slim
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up some because that amount of weight, that amount of
torque on that body is just gonna be too much
pressure on the joints, the ligaments, the tendons, all of that,
and the all the soft tissue stuff like the muscles.
The goal isn't to dominate in twenty five minutes a game.
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The goal, you know, and give me the whole per
thirty six the averages forty game, Now, that's not what
I'm the goal. The goal is to be able to
play thirty five minutes a game, seventy games a year,
and play both ends of the floor. When you can
do that, like, that's the secret to Lebron James. Look,
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Lebron James a great passer. He's got an unbelievable body
for a man his size. He's got great dexterity, Like
you've not super fluid in the hip, but for six
ft eight two d sixty pounds he is. But the
real key to Lebron's successes, with the exception of last
year's groin injury, he's essentially never been hurt. And why
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is that? Some of that is genetic. Al Right, some
of that is genetic, but a good portion of it
is not just his own personal work ethic, but the
fact that he's invested in his body. It's important to
his diet is important to him. And I've told you
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guys the story before, but my dad, my late father,
talking about guys that play minor league basketball. There's always
a reason, right, there's always a reason that stars don't
become superstars. And the two things for Zeon obviously, development
of a jump shot is is is going to be massive.
But his body, his physical conditioning, that's the biggest one.
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He can catch, he can finish, he can defend if
he wants to. He can pass, and he can lead,
and he can smile, but he can't do these things
well if he's one on the bench, two on I
R or three sucking for air when he's playing. Zion's
closer to Joel Embi than anybody else freakish athletic talent.
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But until there's a complete buying into what he eats
and how he works out and what his body looks like.
Until that happens, you'll just have these statistical games where
it appears like he was dominant, but you can't play
him thirty five, for like, why didn't you play him
thirty five? Because he would have been ridiculously tired, which
is more likely for injury, and you're even worse defensively normally.
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Is the reason he's not playing defense now is it's
too exhausting. It's like we it's like we we're talking
about him potentially being in the all time greats. You
can't do that playing twenty five minutes a game, and
at at nineteen years old, twenty years old, you should
be able to play all day without ever getting Like,
ask anybody what I was like. Remember what it was
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like when I was twenty years old? I could do
whatever insert whatever man thing it is. I could do
it all day long. I used to, you know, I
used to get up, you know, used to play pickup ball,
have a hot dog and a coke, then go play
some more pickup ball, you know, then go play some golf,
then go lift some weights, then go out of night,
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then wake up and do it again. Right, that's I mean,
twenty you have you're indefatigable. You cannot be tired. And
yet here at his youngest point in the n b A,
he's that he reaches the point of exhaustion several times
in the game. Zion enjoyl and beat very good comps
in terms of freakish athletic ability and what would separate
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them from being all time grades. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. I'm a huge Aaron
Rodgers fan. I think he's right there. I mean, like, look,
if I'm gonna if I want to win a game,
if I want to win a season, I you know,
outside of Pat Mahomes, you would it would depend on taste,
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if you would like Russell Wilson, who's obviously a little
bit younger um or Aaron Rodgers. And I kind of
feel like Russell Wilson is usually in a better, a
different but better, more advantageous for him situation than Rogers
was last year, and that you know, he's given kind
of carte blanche in the offense, which is not the style.
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It looks like how Mike McCarthy used allow me he
just get back there and make a play, and that
Aaron Rodger used to flourish in that. But I also
think it's interesting about what the Packers are doing, what
they're what they're building here, and why they're building it.
This was Aaron Rodgers yesterday talking about how he'll handle
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his future in Green Bay. I say, for every moment,
every season night, I don't take any of it for granted.
I don't know, you know what the what the few trolds.
I know I can control this year in my play
and in my approach, in my attitude. Yeah, I think
it's a great way. You know, only only you can
make you happy, and that is that seems to be
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completely and totally accurate, and I like it's a mature
way of looking at it. Here's Adam Kaplan. It's the
NFL Insider for serious sex him. He joined us yesterday
on talking about the Packers offense in two thousand twenty.
Despite Aaron Jones, I know he's on the finally of
his deal. They loved him number thirty three. They drafted A. J. Dillons.
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So what they're gonna do here, dog? The belief for
in the league is they're gonna be extremely conservative offense.
On offense, this's gonna be a run based offense. It's
no longer to be Aaron Rodgers offense. Um yeah, I mean, like, look,
I think what you have to do is you have
to prepare for some amount of inevitable shift in Aaron
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Rodgers from superstar too superstar brain it not quite the
same guy. Where have we seen this before where a
team changes their focus from being quarterback centrist centric to
trying to run the football shortened the game, and then
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at the end of the game you allow your superstar
quarterback to still have enough juice in the tank to
make plays and and we need those big games. Oh yeah,
by the way, that's the new England Patriots. That's the
new Patriots. If you've been paying attention to what they've
done over the past couple of years. When Tom Brady
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was there, they at least in theory, tried to make
themselves a new a team that was a power running team,
and then late in the game you got Brady in
the two minute drill doing what Brady does. So I
think it's very interesting that we sit here and criticize
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the the Packers as if they're just completely waving the
white flag on Aaron Rodgers when a lot of what
they are doing actually you know, running the foot being
a power running team and running that's what the Seahawks do.
By the way, as Dan Buyer, he's a big Seahawks
fan there is. And follow that up with what the
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Patriots have done or had done around Tom Brady. You
want to take pressure off of a a quarterback, run the football.
You wanna take pressure off your defense, run the football.
You wanna take pressure off an older quarterback, run the football.
Can't run play action unless you can actually run the ball.
So to me, this is par for the course. You
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got a quarterback who's gonna turn thirty but seven years old.
Thirty seven years old in December. Thirty seven year old quarterbacks,
though they have the brain of a wizard, at times,
their body does cooperate. You can't. You can't do the
Pat Mahomes dropped back forty times a game. Let him
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run around, just make plays and throw no look passes.
You know you can do that When Aaron Rodgers was
years old, and you did, and he was the best
in the game at it, and and he had maybe
not all the weapons, but some of the weapons like
Pat Mahomes has. Now, if you have those guys that
can get open combined with the quarterback in his prime
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and his prime athletically, you can do those things. So
let let's explain what's gonna happen. He's not gonna have
huge numbers. People are gonna say that he's not the
same quarterback that the league is that that that that
you know his his coach is taking the ball out
of his hands. And okay, to a to a certain extent,
they did that last year than win thirteen games. So
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if you won thirteen games, I'm going to the NFCY
champiship game. And really, if Seattle does what they you know,
punch the ball in from one foot line, that game
is at home and knows if San Francisco even gets there.
That's how close it was. So if you want to
tell me that that doesn't work, I do have a
year of a sample size that says it works, and
that was only in its first year. Be sure to
catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays
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at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Chris Mannox joint
to Sports Illustrated cover in the NBA. Are were you
just at the MAVs game? Or you here at the
Suns game? Where are you? No, I'm at neither. I'm
going to Lakers practice in about half an hour and
then the Lasers Rockets came tonight. So how hard is
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it to like? Is your hotel is a walking distance?
Do you do? Uh? Do you get a little tram?
Is there a golf cart? Like? What's the what's the setup?
The arena's three arenas, which are all kind of in
one central location, are about a ten minute bus ride away. Um,
the buses leave on the half an hour. It's it's
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really convenient. The right outside our our hotel, at our
hotel parking lot, which is really just step away from
where my room is, So it's pretty easy. I just
I get much more value during the days going to
practices and being around as many teams as possible in
that period where where the teams are located than I
do go into five or six games. No, no, no question,
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no question about it. Um, are all the like? Are
do certain games? Do you feel like have different feel?
Because I don't. On TV some of these games, like
those Saturday games they are awful, awful, and then Sunday
they were a little bit more, they were more, they
were super competitive. Like what why the disparity? You think
I don't know. I mean, I don't know if there's
any real rhyme or reason too too much at this point.
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I mean, teams are still kind of working through a
lot of stuff. I mean, one thing that surprised me
overall is that I thought that defense, the defenses would
be more up to speed than offense would be because
of the layoff. That hasn't been the case. I mean
that these scores are wild. Just how how high the
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point to goals are in each of these games, and
that's been surprising. But you know, each game has kind
of its own individual field, and each team is working through,
you know, its own stuff. So I don't know if
there's any kind of theme to it um other than
you know, these guys are gonna take some time to
get in shape the Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaking of getting in shape, I know, he statistically had
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a great night and they won last night, but they
can't play in big minutes. He's not playing much defense,
and gosh, he gets tired fast. What's the feeling on
on Zion Williamson and and his showing thus far in
the bubble, Well, I mean, he's he's very much out
of shape, and I don't know how much weight he's
put on in the last month, but it's uh significant. Um.
And the feeling on Zion really is that, you know,
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it's it's not it's not connected to the knee issue
really from all year long, like his limited minutes and
how he's playing, there's there's no real connection to what
he did with the need. It's more about you know,
being gone for thirteen days and and not not being
able to practice, not being able to do anything. I
don't know what he did when he was outside the bubble.
Obviously he's not doing anything during the four days he's
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in his room other than you know, riding a bike
or using some of the bands that the Pelicans gave him. Um,
it just it just it feels like the Pelicans are
perfectly content to sit outside the playoffs on this one.
Like Bill keeps eye limited to twenty minutes every single night,
They'll take what they can get from them. If they
catch lightning in a bottle and can make a run,
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that's fine. But right now I think there are at
least two, maybe three teams ahead of them in those
uh in that race for the number eight seed in
the Western Conference. It's just gonna be an uphill challenge
for them after losing those first two to get back
into this mix. I compared him to Joel Embiid from
this standpoint, like, look, they're very different in terms of
body types, but they have otherworldly talent and and they're
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both incredibly likable people and both bright people. And just
the question becomes, are they willing not just to do
the work, but maybe to hire the people around them
to mon or them to you know, a chef, a
constant trainer, like it's gonna be they taking care of
their body is going to be job number one. And
if they achieve their potentials, that fair though, I think
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that's perfectly fair. And I think that you know, for
most you know, young players, that period between their first
and second years is where they kind of come to
grips of all that and they make the changes that
they need to make, whether it's hiring a personal coach
like Rob McClanahan type to work with, or you know,
going out and and hiring your own chef and transforming
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your body. And I can't I mean, the number of
body transformations I've seen between year one and year two,
it's it's remarkable. I mean, some guys don't show as
much as others. But you know, look at young guys
like Jayson Tatum and even Ben Simmons was in Who's
a few years in UM. Compare that to what they
were when they first started. It's it's significant. So I
have I have no reason to be pessimistic that Zion
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won't get that and and come back into training camp
next year and be ready for next season in a
completely different player, able to play plus minutes and and
just dominate the way we've seen them doing stretches. Gotlip
show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the voice of
Chris mannix Um, okay Man, Let's let's get to uh,
let's get to the Lakers. They're the number one seed
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in the West, which doesn't mean a ton except for
the fact they were messed last year and last night
it was a great night for Anthony Davis kind of
kind of took over UM. But they didn't look great
against Toronto. Obviously they missed a bunch of shots, but
one reason miss shots is they don't have got a
lot of guys that can create shots for others. What's
the general feeling on the Lakers as we get close
to the playoffs. Well, it's certainly is good to see
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Davis play the way he's played. Um Lebron, there's really
no concerns with I think there's genuine concern with how
uh you know, how many minutes are they gonna play
Dion Waiters and and Jerr Smith, Like, I don't think
in a playoff game you want them playing significant postseason minutes.
They just can't be relied on. Jarrison in abysmal shape,
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like he's not ready to go. I mean, his is
the rust is there. Dion is just just wait to
one predictable I think, to put in in key situations,
and that puts a lot of pressure on you know,
the likes of Caruso to be the guy he was
during the regular season. Frankly, for Danny Green to make shots.
I mean, you know, Danny Green is gonna get some
open looks playing off of Lebron and off Anthony Davis.
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He's got to shoot a high percent from three. He's
done in spurts, but he's gonna have to be um
you know, high thirties, low forties and three point range,
and you know for that team to be successful offensively.
So I think you know they I'm not so worried
about their shock creation necessarily. I'm more worried about when
those when the defense has collapse on those stars, Like
can those perimeter shooters consistently knocked down threes? Chris mannocks
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joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Okay, then there's the Clippers, who you know,
I'm watching them right now. They're struggling with the Sons. Granted,
you know, um, they're still kind of working some things out.
Why the why the up and down performances from the Clippers, Well,
I mean I think for for starters, it's the lack
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of continuity that they've had come into this. I Mean,
it surprised me how well they played against the Lakers,
because I thought coming in, I mean, look, they've been
a disaster, you know, from ever everything we know about
with the health issues, Zo Box just selling up a
couple of days before the opener, Lou Williams and Harold
not being there. I mean, these these are their obvious
concerns that they have on the floor. But they played
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pretty well against the Lakers. I mean, I think you
have to be encouraged about how Paul George is playing.
I haven't seen much of the game today, but he's
been great in the early games that they've played. Kauai
a little bit sluggish out there on the floor, and
you kind of hope that he's sort of like an
old car in a way that gets going as he
gets more minutes and more time in this season. But
but they have they have that concerns in I mean,
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Lou Williams is not going to you know, he's stepping out.
He's out of quarantine now, but he's not gonna be
able to step in and be in mid season four.
Same thing with Harold, same thing with Ubach. I mean,
if I'm the Clippers, I have real concerns about that
first round. I mean, if they get into a tough
first round matchup, and I'm not sure who would be,
whether it's Justin or a team like Oklahoma City, Like,
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they've got to be on their game, They've got to
be sharp, because that's a team that if they aren't,
you know, playing at the way that they're capable of playing.
Uh And that sounds kind of obvious, but I mean
that's a team that that can clearly can dominate in
they're not playing a high level. Any one of those
teams in the in the five, six, and seven slot
could potentially beat them. So I have some concerns about
the Clippers in the first round. I don't know, first round,
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I mean, yeah, I mean, I guess it depends on
who they play. Um, Houston has been impressive in terms
of their ability to win a couple of these games late.
Obviously you have two otherworldly talents, but they're they're you know,
and and maybe they can dial it back here once
now that they've they've shown what they can do. But man,
they don't. They're not very deep, you know, and they
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got one style and that's what that's who they are.
You know. Westbrook's essentially playing like a small ball five
at times, or like a powerful forward, you know, and
kind of their short roller. Um. Like, I just I
don't want to be too results orient and say, hey,
they won these games, are you? Are you more or
less of a buyer in Houston having seen them now
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in the corner in the bubble. Yeah, I mean, look,
they easily could have lost the first couple of games,
and you give them credit for winning. But I'm with
you that we can't look at the end result as
foreshadowing the picture. Um, you know, I don't fancy myself
a defensive coordinate or NBA staff, But for the life
of me, Doune, I don't know why every team hasn't
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adopted the Utah method of defending Russell Westbrook Rember back
in February, when Utah just stubbed Rudy Gobert out there
and said, dare Russell to beat you from seventeen feet um,
it was effective. I mean, Russell went off, but it
kept the three point shooters in second. I was at
that Milwaukee game and watching Russell just you know, eat
Ta Demoncenzo and George Hill for once you going to
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the basket and then create open shots for for the
Rocket three point shooters. I just wonder why Brook Lopez
wasn't defending Russell. I mean, I think that's an adjustment
that teams need to make when they play the Rockets.
I think if you play them straight up, the Rockets,
because they're a very good three point shooting team and
not a shy three point shooting team, they can beat anybody.
But if you, you know, limit those three point shots
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that if you force Russell Westbrook to beat you from
the mid range, you say, I thought to beat them
and beat them in like four or five games. I
think that that's a defensive switch. I think more teams
need to make on Houston. Yeah, those are the adjustments
that we normally see in the playoffs, right, and and
you but but and do you do you think it's
different because these guys are able to see other teams
play in person, Like, do you do you think they're
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that that there's there's there's there's more knowledge of everybody
else because you're able to watch or do is that
they are they already watched themselve each other anyway? Yeah,
I mean I haven't. I mean, I've seen some players
at these games watching them in person, and and certainly
the scrimmages, they're getting a good look at each other.
But I don't think that has has it ton to
do it Besides, like Milwaukee, what are you holding on
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to any kind of playoffs strategy against the Rocket Spore?
Like why is Brook Lopez chacing p J. Tucker out
behind the three point line? You can just plant him
in the paint where he wants to be anyway, And
and dare Westbrook the beat from the outside. That's just
perplexing to me. I mean Westbrook one on one is
just unstoppable, So why why not let him shoot those
bid range jump shots and and live with the end result.
And he got a lot of them. He got a
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lot of open mid range jump shot on looks in
that Bucks game. He didn't make a lot of them,
like most of his bakes came from in the paint
or you know, even though I think it was one
from behind the three point line. Um, you know, the
mid rate shot is not an easy bucket for him.
So I'd forced and take it all day long. Yeah,
I would too. I mean, I think using him as
a screener though, creates those openings kind of behind the screen,
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around the screen. I think that's kind of a clever
way of hiding the fact that you're you're daring him
to shoot. I mean, the whole thing is all right.
Speaking of Milwaukee, um, look, they they do some great things.
But Janice did show I don't know it just when
you watch Lebron even though like he beat the Clippers
very fortunately, took a bad shot, got the rebound, put
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it in. But he does he knows what he wants
to do and where he wants to get to. Janice
at the end of that game against the was it
the Raptors that they lost to? It just it felt
like he he wasn't there, uh mentally didn't. He felt
a little rushed, he felt a little lost as it
was against Houston. Excuse me, um, any where are you
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on Janice and his ability to win the big games
in the NBA playoffs based upon how his skills are
currently developed. I would have liked to have seen both
Janice and Milwaukee as a team make more of an
effort to get him the ball in those end of
game situations. Like he wasn't. He was as proactive as
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he needed to be and needs to be moving forward
in those situations where their stars will be. I mean,
if you're staring down James Harden, you've got to go
at him, whether it's in the post or are taking
him off the dribble. I mean, he can create space
for himself and and get a shot off as well
as any player maybe in basketball history because of his
length and his athleticism. He's got to attack those types situations.
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He kind of disappeared and shrunk from the moment in
that the end of game situation against And I would
say this to though about the Bucks. I felt coming
into this season, and I still feel now that a
lot of their success, while it's gonna be predicated a
lot on Janice, a lot of it's gonna be on
Eric Bledsoell and what Bledstell can do because there's no
Malcolm Broaden there and watching, you know, watching that game
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against the Rockets, they really missed an athletic defender like
Malcolm Broaden, a big, physical guy you can put on
Harden or Westbrook and expect him to have good results. Similarly, offensively,
he needs someone that drives the ship. Letso has not
had a great postseason resume. He has got to have
his best postseason, whatever that looks like, but his best
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postseason for that team to be successful. It can't be Devincenzo.
It can't be George Hill. They can play Spurts, but
against all these good guards in the Eastern Conference, whether's
Kemba Walker or Ben Simmons or any member of Kyle Lowry,
you've got to have Eric Bledze playing at a high level,
and obviously hasn't played up to this point because of
the issues with with his health. But when he gets
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back on the floor, he has got to be a
high level player for that team succeed. Tell my boy
Miles Simon a couple of the Lakers guys that are
in the the film room as well as they're all
really good KB all really good guys. Tell them I said, hello,
get your way to practice and we appreciate you join us,
you guys,
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of the Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Last night,
Zion Williamson statistically had a great night. Um in in
the bubble and I heard Colin cow heard who I
was on his show and who I like a great
deal talking about Zion is better than everything would have thought.
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This of course comes on the heels of me saying that, um,
yesterday that I thought I thought, Szion just looks heavy,
looks heavy, looks like somebody who is more likely to
be hurt because of how heavy he is, and how
disappointed I am in is it ability to maintain this
proper conditioning. And so then I was trying to think,
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if we've seen Zion Williamson before, we've we've seen and
a lot of people they want to do Rodney Rogers,
you know, they would have more athletic Draymond Green. There's
a lot of different ways in which you might want
to do it. I think I have the parallel to
whose Zion is and the challenges that are ahead of it.
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I think Zi Williamson is closer to Joel and beat Wait. Wait,
Joel embat is like seven ft seven ft one dynamic
center from Africa. Zion Williamson six five and a half
ways more but wide like a linebacker or defensive lineman.
Like this is a totally different dude. Okay, I will
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give you that. In terms of their build, their built differently,
but but for positional and size at letticism, they're both off.
The charge will be fair with that. Like Joel Embiid
has incredible feet and hands an agility for a man
his size. Wait, okay, with that, I would say Zion Williamson,
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Zion has incredible athletic ability for a man of his size.
It's a different build. There's a freakish quality to the athletically. Additionally,
both of the kind of guys like man I would
enjoy just hanging out playing video games for those guys.
Joel's funny, you know, he told people when he went
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to Kansas some story about him killing a lion. No
one knows whether it's true or not, but that's kind
of part of the allure to it. And Zion is
a completely and thoroughly and significantly more likable person than
most anyone who's come down. The shoot from Duke doesn't
mean Duke's got bad guys. It just means, you know,
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when I think of Duke, I don't necessarily think that's
a likable group right there. Some of it's the images
that we painted. Some of it's just the sense that, well,
they've gotta be arrogant because they're so good. They must
know they're so good. Zion made Duke likable. You can't
miss the athletic feats that they have. They have limitless
potential at their position. They are unique, they are athletic,
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They have great, big personalities, but they have one massive
fundamental flaw. I saw Zion. He didn't play much defense
last night, and the more I watch him, the more
I become disappointed with where he is right now. He's
playing like a He's playing every game like it's an
all star game, trying to leak out and get dugs.
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But I look at Zion and I think you know,
he's got to spend whatever it takes. Whatever it costs
to have a guy travel with him, hang with him
twenty four hours a day, sixty five days a year.
That may sure they know what he's eating and what
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he's doing to work on his body. We talked about
about Joel Embiad before and bed could literally be the
greatest center in the history of the NBA. But his
body has broken down several times over that's limited him.
And his conditioning was a factored last year in the playoffs,
and that limited him. And like, whatever it costs, it's
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a hundred thousand dollars is two h three? Who cares?
Like you can make forty fifty million dollars a year
if you achieve the peak of what you should be
basketball wise, but you cannot get there with whatever you're
currently doing. It's just not good enough. There's no way
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to say whatever program diet wise, workout wise, whatever that
the Pelicans have or of allowed Zi Williamson to operate on,
is good enough. It's just not. And I'm not saying
he's ever gonna be a bean pole. I'm not saying
he's ever going to lose fifty pounds, but man, you
gotta lose twenty. You gotta proportionalize it. You gotta slim
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up some because that amount of weight, that amount of
torque on that body is just gonna be too much
pressure on the joints, the ligaments, the tendons, all of that,
and the all the soft tissue stuff like the muscles.
The goal isn't to dominate in twenty five minutes a game.
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The goal, you know, and give me the whole per
thirty six the averages forty game, Now, that's not what
I'm the goal. The goal is to be able to
play thirty five minutes a game, seventy games a year,
and play both ends of the floor. When you can
do that, like, that's the secret to Lebron James. Look,
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Lebron James a great passer. He's got an unbelievable body
for a man his size. He's got great dexterity, Like
you've not super fluid in the hip, but for six
ft eight two d sixty pounds he is. But the
real key to Lebron's successes, with the exception of last
year's groin injury, he's essentially never been hurt. And why
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is that? Some of that is genetic. Al Right, some
of that is genetic, but a good portion of it
is not just his own personal work ethic, but the
fact that he's invested in his body. It's important to
his diet is important to him. And I've told you
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guys the story before, but my dad, my late father,
talking about guys that play minor league basketball. There's always
a reason, right, there's always a reason that stars don't
become superstars. And the two things for Zeon obviously, development
of a jump shot is is is going to be massive.
But his body, his physical conditioning, that's the biggest one.
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He can catch, he can finish, he can defend if
he wants to. He can pass, and he can lead,
and he can smile, but he can't do these things
well if he's one on the bench, two on I
R or three sucking for air when he's playing. Zion's
closer to Joel Embi than anybody else freakish athletic talent.
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But until there's a complete buying into what he eats
and how he works out and what his body looks like.
Until that happens, you'll just have these statistical games where
it appears like he was dominant, but you can't play
him thirty five, for like, why didn't you play him
thirty five? Because he would have been ridiculously tired, which
is more likely for injury, and you're even worse defensively normally.
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Is the reason he's not playing defense now is it's
too exhausting. It's like we it's like we we're talking
about him potentially being in the all time greats. You
can't do that playing twenty five minutes a game, and
at at nineteen years old, twenty years old, you should
be able to play all day without ever getting Like,
ask anybody what I was like. Remember what it was
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like when I was twenty years old? I could do
whatever insert whatever man thing it is. I could do
it all day long. I used to, you know, I
used to get up, you know, used to play pickup ball,
have a hot dog and a coke, then go play
some more pickup ball, you know, then go play some golf,
then go lift some weights, then go out of night,
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then wake up and do it again. Right, that's I mean,
twenty you have you're indefatigable. You cannot be tired. And
yet here at his youngest point in the n b A,
he's that he reaches the point of exhaustion several times
in the game. Zion enjoyl and beat very good comps
in terms of freakish athletic ability and what would separate
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them from being all time grades. Be sure to catch
the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. I'm a huge Aaron
Rodgers fan. I think he's right there. I mean, like, look,
if I'm gonna if I want to win a game,
if I want to win a season, I you know,
outside of Pat Mahomes, you would it would depend on taste,
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if you would like Russell Wilson, who's obviously a little
bit younger um or Aaron Rodgers. And I kind of
feel like Russell Wilson is usually in a better, a
different but better, more advantageous for him situation than Rogers
was last year, and that you know, he's given kind
of carte blanche in the offense, which is not the style.
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It looks like how Mike McCarthy used allow me he
just get back there and make a play, and that
Aaron Rodger used to flourish in that. But I also
think it's interesting about what the Packers are doing, what
they're what they're building here, and why they're building it.
This was Aaron Rodgers yesterday talking about how he'll handle
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his future in Green Bay. I say, for every moment,
every season night, I don't take any of it for granted.
I don't know, you know what the what the few trolds.
I know I can control this year in my play
and in my approach, in my attitude. Yeah, I think
it's a great way. You know, only only you can
make you happy, and that is that seems to be
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completely and totally accurate, and I like it's a mature
way of looking at it. Here's Adam Kaplan. It's the
NFL Insider for serious sex him. He joined us yesterday
on talking about the Packers offense in two thousand twenty.
Despite Aaron Jones, I know he's on the finally of
his deal. They loved him number thirty three. They drafted A. J. Dillons.
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So what they're gonna do here, dog? The belief for
in the league is they're gonna be extremely conservative offense.
On offense, this's gonna be a run based offense. It's
no longer to be Aaron Rodgers offense. Um yeah, I mean, like, look,
I think what you have to do is you have
to prepare for some amount of inevitable shift in Aaron
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Rodgers from superstar too superstar brain it not quite the
same guy. Where have we seen this before where a
team changes their focus from being quarterback centrist centric to
trying to run the football shortened the game, and then
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at the end of the game you allow your superstar
quarterback to still have enough juice in the tank to
make plays and and we need those big games. Oh yeah,
by the way, that's the new England Patriots. That's the
new Patriots. If you've been paying attention to what they've
done over the past couple of years. When Tom Brady
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was there, they at least in theory, tried to make
themselves a new a team that was a power running team,
and then late in the game you got Brady in
the two minute drill doing what Brady does. So I
think it's very interesting that we sit here and criticize
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the the Packers as if they're just completely waving the
white flag on Aaron Rodgers when a lot of what
they are doing actually you know, running the foot being
a power running team and running that's what the Seahawks do.
By the way, as Dan Buyer, he's a big Seahawks
fan there is. And follow that up with what the
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Patriots have done or had done around Tom Brady. You
want to take pressure off of a a quarterback, run the football.
You wanna take pressure off your defense, run the football.
You wanna take pressure off an older quarterback, run the football.
Can't run play action unless you can actually run the ball.
So to me, this is par for the course. You
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got a quarterback who's gonna turn thirty but seven years old.
Thirty seven years old in December. Thirty seven year old quarterbacks,
though they have the brain of a wizard, at times,
their body does cooperate. You can't. You can't do the
Pat Mahomes dropped back forty times a game. Let him
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run around, just make plays and throw no look passes.
You know you can do that When Aaron Rodgers was
years old, and you did, and he was the best
in the game at it, and and he had maybe
not all the weapons, but some of the weapons like
Pat Mahomes has. Now, if you have those guys that
can get open combined with the quarterback in his prime
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and his prime athletically, you can do those things. So
let let's explain what's gonna happen. He's not gonna have
huge numbers. People are gonna say that he's not the
same quarterback that the league is that that that that
you know his his coach is taking the ball out
of his hands. And okay, to a to a certain extent,
they did that last year than win thirteen games. So
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if you won thirteen games, I'm going to the NFCY
champiship game. And really, if Seattle does what they you know,
punch the ball in from one foot line, that game
is at home and knows if San Francisco even gets there.
That's how close it was. So if you want to
tell me that that doesn't work, I do have a
year of a sample size that says it works, and
that was only in its first year. Be sure to
catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays
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at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Chris Mannox joint
to Sports Illustrated cover in the NBA. Are were you
just at the MAVs game? Or you here at the
Suns game? Where are you? No, I'm at neither. I'm
going to Lakers practice in about half an hour and
then the Lasers Rockets came tonight. So how hard is
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it to like? Is your hotel is a walking distance?
Do you do? Uh? Do you get a little tram?
Is there a golf cart? Like? What's the what's the setup?
The arena's three arenas, which are all kind of in
one central location, are about a ten minute bus ride away. Um,
the buses leave on the half an hour. It's it's
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really convenient. The right outside our our hotel, at our
hotel parking lot, which is really just step away from
where my room is, So it's pretty easy. I just
I get much more value during the days going to
practices and being around as many teams as possible in
that period where where the teams are located than I
do go into five or six games. No, no, no question,
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no question about it. Um, are all the like? Are
do certain games? Do you feel like have different feel?
Because I don't. On TV some of these games, like
those Saturday games they are awful, awful, and then Sunday
they were a little bit more, they were more, they
were super competitive. Like what why the disparity? You think
I don't know. I mean, I don't know if there's
any real rhyme or reason too too much at this point.
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I mean, teams are still kind of working through a
lot of stuff. I mean, one thing that surprised me
overall is that I thought that defense, the defenses would
be more up to speed than offense would be because
of the layoff. That hasn't been the case. I mean
that these scores are wild. Just how how high the
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point to goals are in each of these games, and
that's been surprising. But you know, each game has kind
of its own individual field, and each team is working through,
you know, its own stuff. So I don't know if
there's any kind of theme to it um other than
you know, these guys are gonna take some time to
get in shape the Gotlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaking of getting in shape, I know, he statistically had
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a great night and they won last night, but they
can't play in big minutes. He's not playing much defense,
and gosh, he gets tired fast. What's the feeling on
on Zion Williamson and and his showing thus far in
the bubble, Well, I mean, he's he's very much out
of shape, and I don't know how much weight he's
put on in the last month, but it's uh significant. Um.
And the feeling on Zion really is that, you know,
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it's it's not it's not connected to the knee issue
really from all year long, like his limited minutes and
how he's playing, there's there's no real connection to what
he did with the need. It's more about you know,
being gone for thirteen days and and not not being
able to practice, not being able to do anything. I
don't know what he did when he was outside the bubble.
Obviously he's not doing anything during the four days he's
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in his room other than you know, riding a bike
or using some of the bands that the Pelicans gave him. Um,
it just it just it feels like the Pelicans are
perfectly content to sit outside the playoffs on this one.
Like Bill keeps eye limited to twenty minutes every single night,
They'll take what they can get from them. If they
catch lightning in a bottle and can make a run,
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that's fine. But right now I think there are at
least two, maybe three teams ahead of them in those
uh in that race for the number eight seed in
the Western Conference. It's just gonna be an uphill challenge
for them after losing those first two to get back
into this mix. I compared him to Joel Embiid from
this standpoint, like, look, they're very different in terms of
body types, but they have otherworldly talent and and they're
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both incredibly likable people and both bright people. And just
the question becomes, are they willing not just to do
the work, but maybe to hire the people around them
to mon or them to you know, a chef, a
constant trainer, like it's gonna be they taking care of
their body is going to be job number one. And
if they achieve their potentials, that fair though, I think
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that's perfectly fair. And I think that you know, for
most you know, young players, that period between their first
and second years is where they kind of come to
grips of all that and they make the changes that
they need to make, whether it's hiring a personal coach
like Rob McClanahan type to work with, or you know,
going out and and hiring your own chef and transforming
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your body. And I can't I mean, the number of
body transformations I've seen between year one and year two,
it's it's remarkable. I mean, some guys don't show as
much as others. But you know, look at young guys
like Jayson Tatum and even Ben Simmons was in Who's
a few years in UM. Compare that to what they
were when they first started. It's it's significant. So I
have I have no reason to be pessimistic that Zion
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won't get that and and come back into training camp
next year and be ready for next season in a
completely different player, able to play plus minutes and and
just dominate the way we've seen them doing stretches. Gotlip
show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the voice of
Chris mannix Um, okay Man, Let's let's get to uh,
let's get to the Lakers. They're the number one seed
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in the West, which doesn't mean a ton except for
the fact they were messed last year and last night
it was a great night for Anthony Davis kind of
kind of took over UM. But they didn't look great
against Toronto. Obviously they missed a bunch of shots, but
one reason miss shots is they don't have got a
lot of guys that can create shots for others. What's
the general feeling on the Lakers as we get close
to the playoffs. Well, it's certainly is good to see
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Davis play the way he's played. Um Lebron, there's really
no concerns with I think there's genuine concern with how
uh you know, how many minutes are they gonna play
Dion Waiters and and Jerr Smith, Like, I don't think
in a playoff game you want them playing significant postseason minutes.
They just can't be relied on. Jarrison in abysmal shape,
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like he's not ready to go. I mean, his is
the rust is there. Dion is just just wait to
one predictable I think, to put in in key situations,
and that puts a lot of pressure on you know,
the likes of Caruso to be the guy he was
during the regular season. Frankly, for Danny Green to make shots.
I mean, you know, Danny Green is gonna get some
open looks playing off of Lebron and off Anthony Davis.
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He's got to shoot a high percent from three. He's
done in spurts, but he's gonna have to be um
you know, high thirties, low forties and three point range,
and you know for that team to be successful offensively.
So I think you know they I'm not so worried
about their shock creation necessarily. I'm more worried about when
those when the defense has collapse on those stars, Like
can those perimeter shooters consistently knocked down threes? Chris mannocks
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joining us on the Doug Gotlip Show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Okay, then there's the Clippers, who you know,
I'm watching them right now. They're struggling with the Sons. Granted,
you know, um, they're still kind of working some things out.
Why the why the up and down performances from the Clippers, Well,
I mean I think for for starters, it's the lack
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of continuity that they've had come into this. I Mean,
it surprised me how well they played against the Lakers,
because I thought coming in, I mean, look, they've been
a disaster, you know, from ever everything we know about
with the health issues, Zo Box just selling up a
couple of days before the opener, Lou Williams and Harold
not being there. I mean, these these are their obvious
concerns that they have on the floor. But they played
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pretty well against the Lakers. I mean, I think you
have to be encouraged about how Paul George is playing.
I haven't seen much of the game today, but he's
been great in the early games that they've played. Kauai
a little bit sluggish out there on the floor, and
you kind of hope that he's sort of like an
old car in a way that gets going as he
gets more minutes and more time in this season. But
but they have they have that concerns in I mean,
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Lou Williams is not going to you know, he's stepping out.
He's out of quarantine now, but he's not gonna be
able to step in and be in mid season four.
Same thing with Harold, same thing with Ubach. I mean,
if I'm the Clippers, I have real concerns about that
first round. I mean, if they get into a tough
first round matchup, and I'm not sure who would be,
whether it's Justin or a team like Oklahoma City, Like,
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they've got to be on their game, They've got to
be sharp, because that's a team that if they aren't,
you know, playing at the way that they're capable of playing.
Uh And that sounds kind of obvious, but I mean
that's a team that that can clearly can dominate in
they're not playing a high level. Any one of those
teams in the in the five, six, and seven slot
could potentially beat them. So I have some concerns about
the Clippers in the first round. I don't know, first round,
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I mean, yeah, I mean, I guess it depends on
who they play. Um, Houston has been impressive in terms
of their ability to win a couple of these games late.
Obviously you have two otherworldly talents, but they're they're you know,
and and maybe they can dial it back here once
now that they've they've shown what they can do. But man,
they don't. They're not very deep, you know, and they
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got one style and that's what that's who they are.
You know. Westbrook's essentially playing like a small ball five
at times, or like a powerful forward, you know, and
kind of their short roller. Um. Like, I just I
don't want to be too results orient and say, hey,
they won these games, are you? Are you more or
less of a buyer in Houston having seen them now
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in the corner in the bubble. Yeah, I mean, look,
they easily could have lost the first couple of games,
and you give them credit for winning. But I'm with
you that we can't look at the end result as
foreshadowing the picture. Um, you know, I don't fancy myself
a defensive coordinate or NBA staff, But for the life
of me, Doune, I don't know why every team hasn't
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adopted the Utah method of defending Russell Westbrook Rember back
in February, when Utah just stubbed Rudy Gobert out there
and said, dare Russell to beat you from seventeen feet um,
it was effective. I mean, Russell went off, but it
kept the three point shooters in second. I was at
that Milwaukee game and watching Russell just you know, eat
Ta Demoncenzo and George Hill for once you going to
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the basket and then create open shots for for the
Rocket three point shooters. I just wonder why Brook Lopez
wasn't defending Russell. I mean, I think that's an adjustment
that teams need to make when they play the Rockets.
I think if you play them straight up, the Rockets,
because they're a very good three point shooting team and
not a shy three point shooting team, they can beat anybody.
But if you, you know, limit those three point shots
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that if you force Russell Westbrook to beat you from
the mid range, you say, I thought to beat them
and beat them in like four or five games. I
think that that's a defensive switch. I think more teams
need to make on Houston. Yeah, those are the adjustments
that we normally see in the playoffs, right, and and
you but but and do you do you think it's
different because these guys are able to see other teams
play in person, Like, do you do you think they're
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that that there's there's there's there's more knowledge of everybody
else because you're able to watch or do is that
they are they already watched themselve each other anyway? Yeah,
I mean I haven't. I mean, I've seen some players
at these games watching them in person, and and certainly
the scrimmages, they're getting a good look at each other.
But I don't think that has has it ton to
do it Besides, like Milwaukee, what are you holding on
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to any kind of playoffs strategy against the Rocket Spore?
Like why is Brook Lopez chacing p J. Tucker out
behind the three point line? You can just plant him
in the paint where he wants to be anyway, And
and dare Westbrook the beat from the outside. That's just
perplexing to me. I mean Westbrook one on one is
just unstoppable, So why why not let him shoot those
bid range jump shots and and live with the end result.
And he got a lot of them. He got a
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lot of open mid range jump shot on looks in
that Bucks game. He didn't make a lot of them,
like most of his bakes came from in the paint
or you know, even though I think it was one
from behind the three point line. Um, you know, the
mid rate shot is not an easy bucket for him.
So I'd forced and take it all day long. Yeah,
I would too. I mean, I think using him as
a screener though, creates those openings kind of behind the screen,
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around the screen. I think that's kind of a clever
way of hiding the fact that you're you're daring him
to shoot. I mean, the whole thing is all right.
Speaking of Milwaukee, um, look, they they do some great things.
But Janice did show I don't know it just when
you watch Lebron even though like he beat the Clippers
very fortunately, took a bad shot, got the rebound, put
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it in. But he does he knows what he wants
to do and where he wants to get to. Janice
at the end of that game against the was it
the Raptors that they lost to? It just it felt
like he he wasn't there, uh mentally didn't. He felt
a little rushed, he felt a little lost as it
was against Houston. Excuse me, um, any where are you
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on Janice and his ability to win the big games
in the NBA playoffs based upon how his skills are
currently developed. I would have liked to have seen both
Janice and Milwaukee as a team make more of an
effort to get him the ball in those end of
game situations. Like he wasn't. He was as proactive as
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he needed to be and needs to be moving forward
in those situations where their stars will be. I mean,
if you're staring down James Harden, you've got to go
at him, whether it's in the post or are taking
him off the dribble. I mean, he can create space
for himself and and get a shot off as well
as any player maybe in basketball history because of his
length and his athleticism. He's got to attack those types situations.
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He kind of disappeared and shrunk from the moment in
that the end of game situation against And I would
say this to though about the Bucks. I felt coming
into this season, and I still feel now that a
lot of their success, while it's gonna be predicated a
lot on Janice, a lot of it's gonna be on
Eric Bledsoell and what Bledstell can do because there's no
Malcolm Broaden there and watching, you know, watching that game
(27:40):
against the Rockets, they really missed an athletic defender like
Malcolm Broaden, a big, physical guy you can put on
Harden or Westbrook and expect him to have good results. Similarly, offensively,
he needs someone that drives the ship. Letso has not
had a great postseason resume. He has got to have
his best postseason, whatever that looks like, but his best
(28:02):
postseason for that team to be successful. It can't be Devincenzo.
It can't be George Hill. They can play Spurts, but
against all these good guards in the Eastern Conference, whether's
Kemba Walker or Ben Simmons or any member of Kyle Lowry,
you've got to have Eric Bledze playing at a high level,
and obviously hasn't played up to this point because of
the issues with with his health. But when he gets
(28:23):
back on the floor, he has got to be a
high level player for that team succeed. Tell my boy
Miles Simon a couple of the Lakers guys that are
in the the film room as well as they're all
really good KB all really good guys. Tell them I said, hello,
get your way to practice and we appreciate you join us,
you guys,
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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