August 13, 2020 • 43 mins
Doug shares the most undervalued position in the NFL right now after 2 stars get record breaking contracts on the same day. He also thinks people are starting to make excuses for 1 NBA title contender taking an early exit from the playoffs. Plus, NFL insider Charles Robinson about the value of tight ends in today’s NFL and what led to Tom Brady’s departure from the Patriots.
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Let's dig in here on the story of the day,
which is uh which is also the topic du jour.
Mm hmm. So George Kittle is gonna make fifteen million
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dollars a year, right? Did I read that right? A right?
Forty million dollars guaranteed for the injury, set thirty million
dollars guaranteed at signing. That's the first two years. Basically
up front forty million guaranteed is more than twice that
of any other tight end and the thirty million guaranteed
at signing includes eighteen million dollars and signing bonus. Also
recordmund twelve more than Austin Hooper. Alright, so then Travis
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Kelsey's deal is going to get done as well. But
then you compare it to that of Julio Jones, Amari Cooper,
Michael Thomas, and you're like, okay, wide receivers more money,
But why Brandon Cooks at sixteen million dollars? You know,
Cooks is really more of the outlier because the rest,
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you know, from Stefon Diggs, Davante Adams to Jarvis Landry
to Adam Theeland, those guys command a double team. And
if you can influence more than one football player on
the field, you have more value. And while you could say, hey,
for a for a pass catching tight end, Kittle is
a very good blocker, he is. He's not Gronk Gronks essentially,
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and it was an additional offensive lineman in addition to
being a great pass catching tight end, the ultimate hybrid guy.
But what it's like, wide receivers are not allowed to block,
and the very best do in fact block when called upon.
But we're at this weird time where it feels like
the transition is upon us. Running backs are becoming devalued,
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tight ends are becoming more valued. Wide receivers obviously a
bunch more value, but the tight ends are catching up
on wide receivers and surpassing that of running backs for
the most part, unless you like Christian McCaffrey, who you know,
can influence multiple people, can catch the ball a hundred
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times out of the backfield, as well as running for
over a thousand yards. If you can do two things well, no,
all of a sudden, you become super valuable. So the
problem was, by my estimation, we've had false profits in
the past. Jimmy Graham for examples of false prophet. Jimmy
Graham was the guy who when he was in New Orleans,
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he wanted to be paid like a wide receiver. The
problem with Jimmy Graham was he blocked less than wide receivers,
and New Orleans played that game and played it very,
very smartly. They knew that Jimmy Graham had a ceiling
and he bumped up against it. He's also one of
those guys in the middle that, as a former basketball player,
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wasn't you know, wasn't as hard to replace as as
the two or three or four elite level tight ends.
Those guys are hard to replace. So now Hunter Henry's up,
but we already have Travis Kelsey, we already have George
Kittle Gronk obviously on a one year deal, Kyle Rudolph
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at the end of his deal, although I think he's
had to his deal reworked, and Art's and Hunter Henry
likely to get get get new contracts, and and what
you you know, teams, what they say doesn't matter, what
they do does. And this is this, These are teams
saying what we've all believed, which is the right guy,
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the right tight end is valuable in the run game,
in the past game, and he's a he's you know,
too big, too strong for any defensive back, and just
too athletic for any linebacker to cover. That's what Kelsey is,
That's what Kittle is, and that's why they deserve to
be paid. But let's also remember that this this is
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just like quarterbacks, right like there is a massive drop off,
you know, like I like Jack Doyle, but he's been
hurt a bunch. Cameron Brake, you know, Greg Olsen, for example,
if he's the tenth best tight end who's had a
borderline Hall of Fame career, but he's in his mid thirties,
Eric Ebron, Blake Jarwin, Tyler Effort, Effort, Tyler Ifort has
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been hurt just a bunch. Jason Witten's well over the hill.
Jacob Hollis is a good player, Darren Fells no offense,
a young I think rising star. But there's a lot
of there's a lot of quarterback to tight ends in that.
There are tears. Kittle Kelsey, I think you put Hunter
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Henry in there if he stays healthy, but he has not,
And you probably still put Gronk even though you haven't
seen him play in a year. And then I like
Zach Ertz. And then the next group you put the
Kyle Rudolphs and Jared Cooks and Darren Wallers and Tyler
Higbee's and Greg Olsen's of this world, and then you
start working your way down to Jimmy Graham. Maybe you
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put Jared Cook in the second group. But I think
there are tears. I think the league is smart. I
don't think they're all as are more valuable than wide receivers,
but I do think the best are in fact because
they're that much of a night matchup nightmare. And here's
the other thing, and this is really important. While the
top end may not be as high as that of
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Michael Thomas, if I was building a team, especially for
a young quarterback, wouldn't you to me you'd go after
the tight end before you go the the elite level
tight end, before you go after the elite level wide receiver. Now,
I'll grant you the elite level wide receiver takes two
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people off the football field, off the grid, and makes
reading a defense much easier. Hey, if there's not a
safety over the top, we're going to Julio Jones. I
do understand that. But those guys are so hard to find.
There's been so many miss with wide receivers in the
NFL Draft that if it was me, I would go
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tight end first, wide receiver second. Obviously offensive line, defensive,
you know, defensive front, and then I'm I'm looking tight
end more than I'm thinking go get a big name
wide receiver out of college, because, as we pointed out
right around the draft, only three of the last nineteen
first round pick wide receivers have actually made it. You'd
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all these guys. There's so much value to tight ends
because you don't have to get them in the first round.
You know, so, so your initial contract isn't that great,
and your secondary contract as big as this one is,
these are the biggest of their kind. You're still saving
money trying to think what tight ends are if there's
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a car analogy right where suddenly they're becoming more and
more valuable and and understood. They've been around for a
long time and now you like them even more. And
oh yeah, by the way, they cost you a little
bit less. They last year, good, long time, They help
you in the run game, and they cost you less
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off the top if you draft them because they're not
going to be first round draft picks. Be sure to
catch the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays
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Radio and the I Heart Radio app. This was former
NBA executive John Hollinger on our show, The Doug Gotlip Show,
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talking about the Lakers match up with the Blazers. When
you say give them a series, like, yeah, thank give
him a sterio. I don't think they can win, you know,
can they take him the six games? Sure? You know
that l A has kind of been slow to get
into their group here. I think some of that's intentional.
I mean, we've seen Lebron James do this before. Yeah,
we've seen Lebron James do this before. The one thing
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about Lebron is man and he's just not moving great.
You know, Like, look, end of the day, we can
set up and say the Lakers the worst shooting team
the bubble. The Lakers don't have Avery Bradley. The Lakers
will probably have Rondo by then. But Rondo's a shell
of his former self. And it's not like Gen Rondo
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is a total game changer for the team. There's good,
there's some not so good as well, but the you know,
the at the end, at the end of the day,
they do have the best record in the West, and
this would be a massive upset if the Portland Trailblazers,
who are still a couple of games below five, were
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to beat them in a neutral site. Right this this
basically comes down to are they gonna let Damian Lillard
beat him? That's what it comes down to. Are you
gonna let Damian Lillard beat you? Is Damian Lillard better
than Lebron and Anthony Davis combined? CJ. McCollum is an
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absolute warrior, right like this dude's playing with fractures in
his back. You have a slimmed up over the hill.
We didn't want him in l A mellow I like Nurkics.
He shouldn't be as good as Anthony Davis. Right, Zach
Collins is a kid, super talented, just a kid. You know,
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it's a great story. Is it a great team? Now?
And they're gonna have to play at least one more
game against the nine seed in order to actually get
into the playoffs. All of that, don't give me this.
Lakers are in trouble. The Lakers are in trouble. They're
in trouble because Lebron didn't have anymore. That's about as
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simple as it gets it. The Lakers lose that series.
It does following Bron. Now, I'm not saying he has
to win an NBA title because this team may be
so flawed and you're going against a really deep, less
flawed Clippers team potentially. Okay, and it's not his fault
that Avery Bradley chose to opt out. I would put
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some of the personnel stuff on on Lebron, because you
know he he let some of the offseason. It's like, look,
you show up at Darren Collinson's house when he's retired
or talking about retirement. If you're Lebron James, you're like
living Brent, where where's he live? All right? Cool, let's
go give me. Somebody send me to the address. You
put it in your phone, you show up. M who
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is it? Hey man? What do you doing for the
next six months? I won't play some basketball, right, Make
him say no to you, Lebron. It's not tampering if
you're not on any team, if you're tired, so it's
it's not I mean, I'm not gonna put all of
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that on him. And the Avery Bradley thing. You know,
I don't know what the conversations, if they were conversations
between Lebron and Avery Bradley, but god, it looks silly,
doesn't it. I don't want to go as safety. There's
been no positive tests. Everybody that followed the protocol is good.
And now they got their families, friends and some form
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of loved ones showing up on campus in Disney. Oops.
And and if if it was about the movement, where
you've been what have you been doing? So I think
the Avery Bradley think is a massive miss, not just
favorite Bradley, but also for the rest of the l
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A Lakers. All that said, the lack of depth of
the position, the inability to get Darren Coulson or keep
every brad Lake, some of that does fall on the
shoulders of Lebron. And even without all of those dudes,
they still should be good death. And it'll say a
lot on Anthony Davis. Right, we gave a pass in
New Orleans for like, he's the only guy, super young,
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only guy. Now he's not young, not the only guy,
not even the go to guy. He's the second guy.
And if they if for somehow they were upset by
the Portland Trailblazers or somebody in the first round, some
of that blame should go on Anthony Davis. I just,
I just I don't like the lane, the groundwork for
the upset and the excuses. Well, you know they didn't
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have Rondo. Rondo can't shoot. It didn't help him. Not
a good defender anymore. Well, you know, it's not Lebron's fault.
They can't shoot threes. Some of it is he's allowed
to shoot and make three pointers and oh yeah, by
the way, he's such a good pastor maybe he's passing
out rhythm. And the third thing is like recruit better players,
you recruit them all to the shop, to your TV show.
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You can't get him to sign with the Lakers or
get traded for the Lakers, like you can't make these
things happen. Some of it does fall on le bronze shoulders.
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You know who knows way more than I do, as
Bruce Feldman, who joins us on The Doug Gotlip Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Bruce, I'd like to point out
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how hard your job is, because nine years ago I
broke a story and I felt like I broke it
the right way. At the time, we were both working
at I think you were still two thousand level, you
at CBS now or you at ESPN still that yeah,
And I remember that I was. I had a couple
of really good sources in the Big twelve and one
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of them called me and said hey, and he was
at A and M. And he was like, they were
going to the SEC. They're announcing it tomorrow. They just
had a meeting. They called us all in. They said,
here's the deal, we're going and they're assuming that that Clemson,
Florida State, Um Missouri, I think are are likely to
go with likely to go with us. And I ran
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it through all the channels and they're like good to go,
like you sure, good to go. And there was some
other guy. There's another guy, as you know, that was
covering it, and you want to know part of it,
just because it changed so much and people got cold
feet or there was a plan laid out anyway that
was that was nine years ago today, and those stories,
they do in fact evolve. So sometimes you have a
story you're you know, you're running up the flagpole and
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you say, look, I got my sources and I called
a bunch of people and here's what I find out.
And and by the way, Mike Alden told me, I
was full of you. I was full of crap. They
end up going to the SEC. But your job is
really really hard. What has this story evolving story of
COVID nineteen and teams playing not playing been like to cover? Well,
it's because every day, Doug feels like a week in itself,
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and some stories move too fast and it's like you
can't really get out in front of it to write
about it. Um. I have a story that went up
this morning on the Athletic that I started working on
on Monday and talked to a bunch of sources, and
really the genesis of the story is, uh, what drove
the pack twell to its decision, And really a lot
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of that turned on a zoom call that the conference coaches,
a d S and commissioner all had on Monday night
with their medical experts, and there was a power point
that the medical experts made and showed and and also
had a lot of detailed information. And honestly, in that story,
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over that ninety minute call really scared a lot of
coaches when they heard some of the issues that their
medical experts were telling them they have to be mindful of.
And I think what what makes this story so such
a complicated one is because there's so many years to
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it and there's an element of like a raw shot
test to it where different medical experts in different parts
of the country may see things a little differently, and
people look at it go, well, you know, the NBA
and the NHL are in a bubble, how come college
isn't doing that. Well, it's a different animal, and you
know the baseball is pressing on and yeah, there's been
bumps on the road. Well, baseball is more of a
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social distancing sports than certainly football is. And the rosters
are bigger and as one coach pointed out, our guys
aren't professionals, so it's very complicated. It's constantly moving. And
if anybody tells you they know for certain something that's
gonna be two weeks ago, two weeks from now, they're
kind of lying to you or they're lying to themselves.
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Doug gotlic show here on Fox Sports Trading. That's the
voice of Ruce Velban. Okay, so where is the a CEC.
They're gonna have another meeting like a final final, final
ruling tomorrow. Uh, they are supposed to have a meeting
actually later today. We'll see, you know, the whole thing.
The president of Florida State talked to the final final.
Unless they're waving it off, I don't know how you say,
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you know, we're definitely going forward and that's the final decision,
because there's constantly going to be new information. You can't
you know, I can't say, well, we're not. There's no
chance we're going to back up now. I think at
this point, everything I've heard is that there's a lot
of optimism in the a SEC that they will continue
to press forward. But we'll see. I mean, this is
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all all of it is tv D, right, Doug, You
and I work at Fox Sports. We have relationships with
three conferences that we broadcast. Two of them have canceled
the fall season. One of them, the Big Twelve, is
still holding firm. We'll see what it's gonna be like
if we get to the point where we're doing games
starting September twelve, what those games look like, what the
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college football season and landscape looks like. I mean, it's
crazy because we're already in the middle of August right now,
and it's just we're in such uncharted waters with all
of it. Yeah, there was no spring football, and yet
it feels like they're going to have a little bit
of an elongated training camp because the games have been
pushed back. What are some of these coaches saying they
think the actual gameplay looks like, Yeah, that's that's the
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Other part is if you have a new coaching staff
or a new system in place, you brought it, a
new coordinator, maybe you don't have a quarterback who's who's
played before in actual games, it's gonna be hard to
expect there's going to be smooth sailing here. I mean,
never mind the aspect of you could have a bunch
of kids you know, after quarantine for two weeks in
a position room or something, so you may not have
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half your receiving corps, half your linebacker, cor your offensive line.
Who knows, I mean. And also even the folks who
are the most optimistic that I've talked to, and that's
some folks in the SEC, they are really worried about
what happens when the regular students start coming back, and
what they anticipate is a surge on their campus. And
how do you manage that? I mean they can they
can tell privately all their players, hey, don't go on
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campus if you don't need to take all your classes online.
But there's still a lot of concern about potential spread
that they could get when the regular students come back.
Chris Felman joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Um so, Nebraska apparently not going to uh,
you know, not going to try and play in the
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Big twelve, not going to try and play in the
A C C or the SEC. Now is it dead
as far as them playing? Are They absolutely not gonna
play games? Because I just wonder why they couldn't be
the one non conference game for all those teams. I
don't know how the Big Ten would look at that.
I mean, you're in Nebraska, all of a sudden, you're
basically turning your nose up at the rest of your league.
I don't know how that would work for them going forward.
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And also a lot of these games have already been
booked in, so I think that was Nebraska trying to
defend their players because a lot, like a lot of
football coaches I've talked to you, it felt like, Lookard,
we asked our guys to be ultra responsible with this.
They've done everything we've asked, and it's hard for us
to say we've done everything you've had You've done anything
we asked, and unfortunately it's not going be good enough.
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We can't play. And I think that's the emotion that
you heard from Scott Throston some other people in Nebraska. Yeah, yeah,
I know. It's it's really really interesting, and I think
they could have used the shot in the arm to play,
considering that that's a program that's so badly needs to
kind of gain some momentum um. What about Big Ten
players like a Justin Fields, any chance that they don't
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play in the Big that they play in the SEC,
the Big twelve, of the a SEC this year. No,
I don't think so. I mean, I'd be really surprised.
I think when you look at it, if a guy
is going to try to transfer to a school, and
I'm not saying that that won't happen here and there,
but first of all, there aren't gonna have any spots
roster spots available. Second of all, if you're a quarterback
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or almost any position, but especially a quarterback, you're gonna
have to learn a new system on the fly, all
new teammates. You certainly run the risk of putting up
bad film. And then keep in mind you could transfer,
try to have a crash course in the system, and
then September tenth, the con friends determines, you know what,
we can't do this, we cannot play. Or there is
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some kind of issue that comes to the four, whether
it's a player who has had major medical issues and
that becomes public um and then it becomes really problematic
for conference leadership to press forward. I think one of
the things that really hasn't been discussed probably enough um
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is the potential litigation and lawsuits that could be hanging
over colleges and college athletics with some with what we
don't know is coming down the pipeline. I'm sure that
scares a lot of people in leadership. I mean, he
talked about being a reporter in this I would not
want to be an a d and I definitely would
not be in a college president in this environment. No, no, no,
no question about it. Okay, if if if Saturday was
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our for or Saturday is our first game, do you
think we actually have football? If you're a betting man,
do you think we actually have football games? It's not
this Saturday, It's it's a month from now. Yeah, I'm
just I'm just saying, like, like, feel we can have it.
It seems because of all the you know, the stuff
I had heard from the people who are on the
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call at the PAC twelve makes me very skeptical that
they're gonna be it's all over the heart, it's all
over the hard issue stuff, right, well, it's all over
the hard issue, but it's also there's also testing issues
that are concerned. The Pact twelve was going to have
to in five of their hotspot teams, we're going to
have to have be ramped up to have daily testing,
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and a lot of those places that was not viable
or feasible. So again, I think that the virus says,
you know, I've heard this from from a bunch of people.
The virus is going to make the determination on what happens,
and hopefully college football can happen, because then you'd think
nothing really bad has has happened along the next month
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or so. But again, um, you know, one of the
coaches I talked to for that story, and I had
talked to him right before the story actually published, made
this point. He was like, if I have to wear
a bleeping mask to coach, we shouldn't be playing football.
We can't even get to a practice format. And the
the upshot of that, and I think this gets has
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gotten misconstrued Somewhere. People are going to sit back and
say two things I think have gotten probably misunderstood about this.
One is, wait a minute, you're going to say, regular
students come back and they can't end, but they these
guys can't play football. And the reason on on that,
at least from talking to people both in the Big
ten and the Pack twelve, is because it's not just
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that they're playing football is different than going to classes
wearing a mask. We can do social distancing all of
a sudden. Now you've got a hundred guys gotten tackling
each other, They're breathing on each other, is sweating out.
You know, it's like it's not golf. And so that's
one of the big concerns people have is why it's different.
And then the other part that is different. I think
that we need to be pointed out is a lot
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of people have said, well, as a mental health component,
and yes there is, but also it's like, well, they're
gonna get sent home. They're not getting sent home in
the in the in the mac they don't have to leave.
I talked to Paxswell class, they're not getting sent home. Um,
so I think some of this stuff is has gotten
either twisted a little bit, and I think that's kind
of added to a lot of the confusion that's already
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out there. M Bruce Felman, our guest in the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, what about
feelings towards you know, commissioners. You know that Larry Larry
Scott has been you know, kind of fighting for his
reputation for a couple of years now, the Big Ten,
you're talking about Kevin Moore walking into an absolute buzz
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following a legend, following arguably the greatest commissioner in the
history of collegian sports right here Mike's live. Um, how
what does this do to both of their legacies as commissioners?
You know, I think Kevin Warren is the one that
here was the part that puzzled me. Doug and I
did a lot of a lot of btn uh Monday
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and Tuesday, And in full disclosure, like a lot of
people probably already know this, but you know, at Fox
Sports we have relations relationship with with Big ten Network,
and look all the credit to Dave Revson, their their anchor,
who did a great job pressing Kevin Warren for specifics.
But I'm sitting back there watching this and thinking, people
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at the whole sports world right now is focusing on you,
and this is the big kind of a huge deal
lot of in Michigan, Ohio, State and State and a
bunch of other big brand programs, and you need to
give us some I'm not saying, you know, whether there's
hippa issues. I'm not saying you need to identify specific players.
But when it comes out later through our through the
athletic on our site that there's at least ten student
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athletes in the Big Ten are dealing or have been
diagnosed with myo karditis. UH. That probably would have been
a good detail for him to disclose, at least because
I think a lot of people on the outsider going
why did he do this? Why did they shut it down?
And the first of all, look, it wasn't just his decision.
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I mean, it's really the presidents of the of the
conference who make that determination. But in terms of the
messaging of that, I don't think they helped themselves with that.
On the flip side, I think Larry Scott in the
Pact twelve actually and he's been an easy target with
a lot of things, and rightly so, I think, because
I think they made a lot of big mistakes image wise.
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But I thought in that regard, they had Ray Anderson,
the Arizona State a D. They had their chair of
their of their medical advisory board on their uh he
was on there and and one of the college presidents.
So I think they had the right people to be
on there to talk about it. And look, you know,
I think they were a lot more um on the
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same page. And I think we saw with the Big
Ten where we're talking about Nebraska, and then there's like,
you know, a quick story in Ohio State about what's
going on with them that goes that does a quick
one eight, and so it just seemed very unlike what
you become accustomed to in the Big ten on that front. Yeah,
really interesting, great stuff. Bruce doing awesome job covering this.
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Always respect you and appreciate it. Thanks so much for
joining us in Fox Sports Radio. All right, thanks. Fox
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s R to listen live. Charles Robinson joins this yeahoo
sports covering the National Football League. Uh, it feels like
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that profession that's finally getting recognized, like man fin like butt.
When we were kids, I said this, Charles matter, we're
kids doctors and lawyers. Those are the ones that owned
the big houses, right and and and and it's like
like running backs whereas now all of a sudden, tight
ends getting paid in the Ashton Football League. Um, why
did it take so long? Because the position had to change? Um,
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you know, I think I remember there was a time
when you and I watched tight ends and the version
of tight ends that we watched for a long time.
These were guys that, you know, we're gonna catch fifty passes,
they're gonna put up six hundred yards, and there's you know,
a four touchdown season, and that was going to be
potentially a Pro Bowl level tight end if he could block,
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you know, And this isn't you know Vasanthi Shanko, This
is these are guys that frankly, they're they're closer to
wideouts you know, UM in terms of the passing scheme
now than ever before. UM. And if they can be
those guys who can be massive mismatches, but then they're physical,
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they can block, They especially love to run block. If
they're just special players, they're gonna get special money. And
I think Gronk was probably you know, Antonio Gates, Gronk.
You know, there've been a couple of guys that have
come down the pipeline where you're like, you know, Tony Gonzalez,
like that is a Hall of Fame caliber tight end.
Now we're starting to see some of those guys come
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through the pipeline. And I mean Kelsey and and George
Kittle bull fall in that mold Doug Otlib show here
on Fox Sports Rader. That's the voice of Charles Robinson,
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Charles Robinson check out his Yahoo Sports NFL podcast. Um,
you know, you know, I'm watching Hard Knocks and obviously
there's not a lot of buzz to it. But I
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do think that because there are so many limitations in place,
with how much these guys have been able to get
get together, how much work has been it will be done.
It does if I use that on the macro. It
feels like the teams that have the most remaining from
last year are going to be the most successful, i e.
The Cancity Chiefs in the forty niners. It doesn't. It
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feels like a year in which t teams that stayed
the same will stay the same and see in terms
of the standings, well veterans, I mean, there's there's something
to be said about an off season in which teams
don't get ahold of guys. You know, you don't get
him in for the O t s, you don't get
him in for the mini camps um because you're not
you know, they're not in lifting. You know, all these
different things and even from a you know, a schematic standpoint, um,
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you know, even the classroom work. I know guys are
doing it over zoom and all this stuff, but I
don't think it's the same, um, you know, because look, guys,
guys can be competitive in meeting rooms. You know. One
of my favorite stories ever told was when you know,
Jacoby Brissette was a backup to Tom Brady and he
got to ask the question and the meeting and he
didn't answer it fast, and I like, he literally paused
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and tom Brady just answered it, like ran over him
in a meeting room. And basically tom Brady's message to
him was, you know, get to let out beyond it
either answered or don't. Like, if you can't answer it,
I'm gonna answer it for you. I don't care for
the questions to you. And you know, players lose some
of that over zoom meetings. You know, you're not you know,
some guys are very competitive in the classroom. Drew Brees
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is historically like they drafted Garrett Grayson to replace Drew Brees,
and Drew Brees ruined him in in the classroom because
he he was like, look, I'm gonna be competitive in here,
and if you don't keep up well and you know so,
I think some of that's lost. And I do believe
that teams with veteran rosters, guys who have been there before,
gone through the monotony of certain parts of preparing, are
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going to be a lot easier to deal with. And
that's why, frankly, I'm not surprised that the Seattle Seahawks
you run into an undrafted rookie is the guy who's
trying to sneak a woman, you know, into the hotel
um in Seahawks gire. I mean, it's a ridiculous story,
but that doesn't surprise. It's an all's let's let's take
a little second though. It's an all timer right now.
(31:49):
Look story, it's all like in terms of this, like
this is like a who wasn't had the wisen Remember
who was the running back for the Vike ing? Oh man,
I can't believe I'm not going to remember this. We'll
get back to it. We'll get back to so there
right resonator was was was down there? But up there, yes,
(32:11):
um Kima Severan who played at A and M and
an Oklahoma State. He tried to sneak a girl in.
It was Ontario Smith. There you go. Ontario Smith is
all times. He's always good to have a producer in
your ear. Yes, yes, and the Internet and the Internet,
the network. Well um so, so he tries to seek
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her in and she dresses with seahawks gear in an
effort to be thought of as a as a seahawk player,
which I mean, I would hope she doesn't look like
a seahawk player. I guess that's actually the good takeaway
from it is she was attractive enough to not be
you know, misconstrued with Sam Gash right, Like, she didn't
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she didn't look like a dude. She didn't have traps
popping out of her ears like some of these NFL dudes. Yeah,
she to have guns, you know, she's not walking in
with the you know, the Aaron Donald guns. But yeah,
look it's it's definitely an all timer. But I'm also like, yeah,
this this doesn't blow my mind in terms of knowing,
you know, this is a young I'm sorry, but young guys.
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Not that not that veterans don't make stupid mistakes, but
I think this is one of those seasons knowing what
a lot of those NFL p a calls were like
you know, knowing, you know who got involved in this
process and you know, being concerned. In a way, it
mirrored um weirdly enough, I think a mirrored society. Like
when I when I would talk to people, you know
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with the union, they would say like, yeah, you know,
you don't hear a lot of concern from the two
year olds, Like most labor situations, you don't hear a
lot of concerns from the twenty four year olds. But
it's the guys that are in their thirties who know
how hard it was to stick in this league. Um,
who know that hey grinding out five, six, seven years
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and a pension and you know, you know, providing for
your family while playing football as long as you possibly can.
Those tend to be the guys that, um, don't make
a mistake this stupid this early. Now that's not to
say that a vet won't do it in November, you know.
That's not to say there won't be a Clevinger situation
or you know, a Miami Marlins situation where people just
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start to do stupid stuff out of the sheer boredom
of what this is going to be like. But I mean,
come on, man, We're like right on the doors that
we just got here. We just got here. You know,
they're not even pads yet, there's not there's no contact,
like and for this to happen now is just absolutely
you know, it's foolish. But you you have a lot
of teams around the league that their hotel situations are
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set up and the rookies are in the hotel. So
like the Los Angeles Charges a good example. I was
talking to somebody with the Chargers and he said, yeah, man,
you know, we we do have a hotel set up.
He said, that's where the rookies are. And he said,
and there are rooms available for the veterans that they
want them. And they're like, but you know, that's where
where we're putting our rookies. And I sat there and
I thought, man, I you know, if there's gonna be
something dumb that happens, it's probably gonna be with the
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rookies in the hotels because they're not completely cordoned off,
and um, you know, those are the guys that are
probably going to be least responsible up front, even though
that you know, some of them clearly need jobs and
you know, are cutible. But it's yeah, this is just
I'll tell you what it is. Another one of these
moments though, and Major League Baseball has provided most up
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to this point. But it's another one of those moments
that other teams are gonna seize upon. And I'm telling
you I guarantee the next couple of days and I
wouldn't I wouldn't even be surprised. We saw it on
Hard Knocks. I guarantee you're gonna see um coaches or
or personnel, you know, gms who are saying two players, Hey,
(35:45):
look at what just happened. Like, absorb that because that's
real and that's gonna happen here if this happened Doug
got Lee show here on Fox Sports Radio, Charles Robinson
joining us that said, it did. It felt like a
lot of quick opt outs before the guys really knew
what the product calls look like. I know that was
how that that was how the deal worked. Um, yeah,
you know when I saw Hard Knocks was like, yeah,
(36:07):
I mean they got like legit protocols. It feels like
they'll be prepared. I do understand. You know that that
this this heart condition is a is a real possibility
if you contract COVID and that's the that's the big fear.
My thing is I actually think you're just as likely,
if not more likely to contract COVID at home as
you are uh in a facility. You're playing football. The
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only differences you're being tested daily in the National Football League.
That that said, Like, how badly hurt was Kansas City
Damian Williams. Obviously they were placed in the draft, but
he was there. It might have been their best player
for most of the Super Bowl. And then you lose
a really talented offensive lineman. I know that New England
was badly hurt, but it feels like Kansas City was
as well. Yeah you well, Kinsey, you lose, you lose
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a veteran offensive line, you lose a rookie offensive lineman.
So that's that's depth right there. I mean, so you're
you're seeing depth lost. You know, you talk about losing
a running back who is a veteran and multi talented.
Not granted, you did take a running back in the
first round and who's you know, going to be extremely
talented in Clyde Edwards Hilaire. But um, this the problem
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is with rookie running backs, those are typically unless they're
really special guys. Those are people who teams don't trust
until you're halfway through a season because they have to
prove that they can protect a quarterback. And um, you know,
so yeah, from a death standpoint, it it definitely isn't great.
But Kansas City is just I mean, they've loaded. It's ridiculous.
Like you look at the roster and you just sit
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there and you go, they kept everybody, didn't lose Chris Jones.
They extended them, you know, they they extended um, the
you know, the quarterback, they extended the tight end, they
extended all these special players. And they didn't suffer yet.
And I think next year's really we're gonna see this
moving forward. They didn't suffer the gutting that happens to
a lot of Super Bowl teams where all of a sudden,
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in free agency, a lot of like mid tier guys
seem very attractive because they're coming off of Super Bowl teams. Um,
I think that's still a year away for Kansas City.
But to me, yeah, I think I think even though
they lost a little bit, I just don't see how
Kansas City didn't walk like walk out of this offseason
going Man, it's it's here for us, Like we we could,
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we could very easily repeat um As as champions this year.
You know, we've got all these pieces in that offense
is just it's absurd. And this may actually be one
of the few years where off the bat offenses should
be way ahead of you know, usually it's opposite defenses
are way ahead. But I think if you haven't a
better than offensive group knows the scheme, knows and you
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have a quarterback who has a cannon like you know,
Patrick Mahomes and who who can be um creative, which
is where the league is with quarterbacks, defenses are gonna
have a hell of a time with Kansas City already.
And I think this is gonna be one of those
those seasons where not having the hitting, not having all
that continuity in the offseason is gonna hurt the defenses
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that faced them right away. I would not the f
C West is good luck in ten years you're going
to be drafting to deal with Pat Mahomes for ten years. Um.
But last thing, Charles Robinson joining us gotli show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Charles a senior NFL reporter for
y'all Who Sports is a great podcast. Y'all Who Sports,
NFL podcast. You do talk to lots of people in
the league. What's their level of confidence that this thing
(39:18):
will go off on time? I think it's better, I
really do. I think it's improved because I think the
fear was when the COVID testing began and guys started
getting the facilities, the fear was that, you know, there
could be a huge spade of positives that they just
don't know we're there and um, or that there would
(39:38):
be some asteroids like just like maybe some big time
quarterbacks would would have it, or in the opt outs
there would be some you know, just mind blowing opt outs.
Now you know there there's some good players that opted out,
there's no doubt. But I mean, like, you know, people
are like, oh, c J. Mowsley opted out. I'm like,
all right, c J. Mowley wasn't really on the field
for the Jets last year. I mean, um, km, hey,
where's the guy who could have opted out, you know,
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for for the Pittsburgh Steelers didn't. Von Miller's guy could
have opted out for the Broncos. So like even some
of these guys, I think we're sort of expected stars
who could have opted out didn't. Um. I think teams
were optimistics that it wasn't this huge run of of
super above board guys. The Patriots were surprising with the number.
But and then beyond that, the testing, the overall testing,
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even the unions like, hey, it's well below one for everybody,
like you throw everybody in it, and and that matters.
You gotta have the cauldron of personnel, people, support staff,
every everybody there for it to be well below one percent.
And you're just starting here. Um, And and it hasn't
really gone in the opposite direction, you know, in the
early going. I think people feel a lot better about it.
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And now they're let me put it to this way.
Right now teams are struggling with like, hey, if we're
gonna have fans, how do we figure that out? It's
less of an operational you know football standpoint. We'll shift
a little more toward that when they hit each other
and they start hitting each other, um, you know, the
third week of August, you know, so about ten, I
think we're like ten twelve more days from that. We'll
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see then if if the dynamic changes a little bit.
So I said, I see it was good. I said
it was the last one. I lot, I got one
more Joe Montana told USA Today that that Tom Brady
said they listened to him and then didn't take any
of his suggestions. How much of that is because we
always operated under the premise that him Andy Daniels were boys,
(41:27):
were close, you know, and and that McDaniels and his
relationship was like like brothers. Um I was. I was
a little bit surprised. I'm not surprised in terms of
it's based upon personnel, but in terms of what they
did and how they did it, that's kind of surprising
to me. Yeah, And I actually think it's a little
bit of both. Like you know, I'll give you example,
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like he he was upset about Antonio Brown, Like he
really was upset that that they, you know, just washed
their hands of Antonio Brown, particularly because Tom was such
a big part of get him in there, getting him
on the right page, accepting him, like I mean, Brady
brought him into his home, like all these different things,
and then you know, the Patriots pulled the plug. And
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and frankly, you know, Tom's pretty cutthroat, and I think
part of his thought process was you just took awake.
I could have been the difference from us, like you know,
and then he sat there and you saw they struggled offensively.
I think that was part of it. Um. I would
like Joe to be a little more specific. You know,
I've heard only put it this way. You've heard a
lot of stories over the years over what was frustrating
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Brady and and it's been a you know, my rate
of different things. And I think those things are all
going to bleed out over the years and maybe someday
there's a you know, the Big Last Dance documentary or
the Lance document whatever it is. And it was obviously
it's coming because Tom's cut that deal, um, and I
think some of that stuff maybe eventually might get out.
It's it's gonna be been coming upon Tom though to
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actually say, like here a couple of things that really
pissed me off. And I'll say this about what Montana said.
Don't don't think that there weren't some legitimate frustrations on
on Tom's part in terms of he felt he always
felt like he deserved a bigger seat at the table,
and in terms of the decision making and or at
least the input and feeling like he was heard not
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uncommon with quarterbacks. I mean, there's so many of these
Aaron Rodgers another guy. I want to be heard. They
want to be well look look it's it's it's actually
a lot like Aaron, I want to be heard and
oh yeah, by the way, don't be drafting somebody to
replace me, right Like I mean, I was told Peyton Manning,
who's like the best. But every time someone's drafted Indianapolis,
he'd called the g M be like who is this guy?
Like what why are we taking the Well, you know,
(43:33):
it didn't it could be seventh round, it didn't matter.
They all are kind of wired the same. Charles, we
gotta run great stuff. Can't wait to hear the next pod.
Yeah who Sports NFL podcast? Charles Robinson fall m on
Twitter as well. Thanks so much, Charles, Yeah, thanks for
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Let's dig in here on the story of the day,
which is uh which is also the topic du jour.
Mm hmm. So George Kittle is gonna make fifteen million
(00:42):
dollars a year, right? Did I read that right? A right?
Forty million dollars guaranteed for the injury, set thirty million
dollars guaranteed at signing. That's the first two years. Basically
up front forty million guaranteed is more than twice that
of any other tight end and the thirty million guaranteed
at signing includes eighteen million dollars and signing bonus. Also
recordmund twelve more than Austin Hooper. Alright, so then Travis
(01:06):
Kelsey's deal is going to get done as well. But
then you compare it to that of Julio Jones, Amari Cooper,
Michael Thomas, and you're like, okay, wide receivers more money,
But why Brandon Cooks at sixteen million dollars? You know,
Cooks is really more of the outlier because the rest,
(01:28):
you know, from Stefon Diggs, Davante Adams to Jarvis Landry
to Adam Theeland, those guys command a double team. And
if you can influence more than one football player on
the field, you have more value. And while you could say, hey,
for a for a pass catching tight end, Kittle is
a very good blocker, he is. He's not Gronk Gronks essentially,
(01:51):
and it was an additional offensive lineman in addition to
being a great pass catching tight end, the ultimate hybrid guy.
But what it's like, wide receivers are not allowed to block,
and the very best do in fact block when called upon.
But we're at this weird time where it feels like
the transition is upon us. Running backs are becoming devalued,
(02:15):
tight ends are becoming more valued. Wide receivers obviously a
bunch more value, but the tight ends are catching up
on wide receivers and surpassing that of running backs for
the most part, unless you like Christian McCaffrey, who you know,
can influence multiple people, can catch the ball a hundred
(02:36):
times out of the backfield, as well as running for
over a thousand yards. If you can do two things well, no,
all of a sudden, you become super valuable. So the
problem was, by my estimation, we've had false profits in
the past. Jimmy Graham for examples of false prophet. Jimmy
Graham was the guy who when he was in New Orleans,
(02:56):
he wanted to be paid like a wide receiver. The
problem with Jimmy Graham was he blocked less than wide receivers,
and New Orleans played that game and played it very,
very smartly. They knew that Jimmy Graham had a ceiling
and he bumped up against it. He's also one of
those guys in the middle that, as a former basketball player,
(03:18):
wasn't you know, wasn't as hard to replace as as
the two or three or four elite level tight ends.
Those guys are hard to replace. So now Hunter Henry's up,
but we already have Travis Kelsey, we already have George
Kittle Gronk obviously on a one year deal, Kyle Rudolph
(03:41):
at the end of his deal, although I think he's
had to his deal reworked, and Art's and Hunter Henry
likely to get get get new contracts, and and what
you you know, teams, what they say doesn't matter, what
they do does. And this is this, These are teams
saying what we've all believed, which is the right guy,
(04:03):
the right tight end is valuable in the run game,
in the past game, and he's a he's you know,
too big, too strong for any defensive back, and just
too athletic for any linebacker to cover. That's what Kelsey is,
That's what Kittle is, and that's why they deserve to
be paid. But let's also remember that this this is
(04:27):
just like quarterbacks, right like there is a massive drop off,
you know, like I like Jack Doyle, but he's been
hurt a bunch. Cameron Brake, you know, Greg Olsen, for example,
if he's the tenth best tight end who's had a
borderline Hall of Fame career, but he's in his mid thirties,
Eric Ebron, Blake Jarwin, Tyler Effort, Effort, Tyler Ifort has
(04:50):
been hurt just a bunch. Jason Witten's well over the hill.
Jacob Hollis is a good player, Darren Fells no offense,
a young I think rising star. But there's a lot
of there's a lot of quarterback to tight ends in that.
There are tears. Kittle Kelsey, I think you put Hunter
(05:11):
Henry in there if he stays healthy, but he has not,
And you probably still put Gronk even though you haven't
seen him play in a year. And then I like
Zach Ertz. And then the next group you put the
Kyle Rudolphs and Jared Cooks and Darren Wallers and Tyler
Higbee's and Greg Olsen's of this world, and then you
start working your way down to Jimmy Graham. Maybe you
(05:32):
put Jared Cook in the second group. But I think
there are tears. I think the league is smart. I
don't think they're all as are more valuable than wide receivers,
but I do think the best are in fact because
they're that much of a night matchup nightmare. And here's
the other thing, and this is really important. While the
top end may not be as high as that of
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Michael Thomas, if I was building a team, especially for
a young quarterback, wouldn't you to me you'd go after
the tight end before you go the the elite level
tight end, before you go after the elite level wide receiver. Now,
I'll grant you the elite level wide receiver takes two
(06:15):
people off the football field, off the grid, and makes
reading a defense much easier. Hey, if there's not a
safety over the top, we're going to Julio Jones. I
do understand that. But those guys are so hard to find.
There's been so many miss with wide receivers in the
NFL Draft that if it was me, I would go
(06:36):
tight end first, wide receiver second. Obviously offensive line, defensive,
you know, defensive front, and then I'm I'm looking tight
end more than I'm thinking go get a big name
wide receiver out of college, because, as we pointed out
right around the draft, only three of the last nineteen
first round pick wide receivers have actually made it. You'd
(07:00):
all these guys. There's so much value to tight ends
because you don't have to get them in the first round.
You know, so, so your initial contract isn't that great,
and your secondary contract as big as this one is,
these are the biggest of their kind. You're still saving
money trying to think what tight ends are if there's
(07:21):
a car analogy right where suddenly they're becoming more and
more valuable and and understood. They've been around for a
long time and now you like them even more. And
oh yeah, by the way, they cost you a little
bit less. They last year, good, long time, They help
you in the run game, and they cost you less
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off the top if you draft them because they're not
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(08:02):
talking about the Lakers match up with the Blazers. When
you say give them a series, like, yeah, thank give
him a sterio. I don't think they can win, you know,
can they take him the six games? Sure? You know
that l A has kind of been slow to get
into their group here. I think some of that's intentional.
I mean, we've seen Lebron James do this before. Yeah,
we've seen Lebron James do this before. The one thing
(08:24):
about Lebron is man and he's just not moving great.
You know, Like, look, end of the day, we can
set up and say the Lakers the worst shooting team
the bubble. The Lakers don't have Avery Bradley. The Lakers
will probably have Rondo by then. But Rondo's a shell
of his former self. And it's not like Gen Rondo
(08:46):
is a total game changer for the team. There's good,
there's some not so good as well, but the you know,
the at the end, at the end of the day,
they do have the best record in the West, and
this would be a massive upset if the Portland Trailblazers,
who are still a couple of games below five, were
(09:06):
to beat them in a neutral site. Right this this
basically comes down to are they gonna let Damian Lillard
beat him? That's what it comes down to. Are you
gonna let Damian Lillard beat you? Is Damian Lillard better
than Lebron and Anthony Davis combined? CJ. McCollum is an
(09:30):
absolute warrior, right like this dude's playing with fractures in
his back. You have a slimmed up over the hill.
We didn't want him in l A mellow I like Nurkics.
He shouldn't be as good as Anthony Davis. Right, Zach
Collins is a kid, super talented, just a kid. You know,
(09:55):
it's a great story. Is it a great team? Now?
And they're gonna have to play at least one more
game against the nine seed in order to actually get
into the playoffs. All of that, don't give me this.
Lakers are in trouble. The Lakers are in trouble. They're
in trouble because Lebron didn't have anymore. That's about as
(10:16):
simple as it gets it. The Lakers lose that series.
It does following Bron. Now, I'm not saying he has
to win an NBA title because this team may be
so flawed and you're going against a really deep, less
flawed Clippers team potentially. Okay, and it's not his fault
that Avery Bradley chose to opt out. I would put
(10:38):
some of the personnel stuff on on Lebron, because you
know he he let some of the offseason. It's like, look,
you show up at Darren Collinson's house when he's retired
or talking about retirement. If you're Lebron James, you're like
living Brent, where where's he live? All right? Cool, let's
go give me. Somebody send me to the address. You
put it in your phone, you show up. M who
(11:01):
is it? Hey man? What do you doing for the
next six months? I won't play some basketball, right, Make
him say no to you, Lebron. It's not tampering if
you're not on any team, if you're tired, so it's
it's not I mean, I'm not gonna put all of
(11:21):
that on him. And the Avery Bradley thing. You know,
I don't know what the conversations, if they were conversations
between Lebron and Avery Bradley, but god, it looks silly,
doesn't it. I don't want to go as safety. There's
been no positive tests. Everybody that followed the protocol is good.
And now they got their families, friends and some form
(11:41):
of loved ones showing up on campus in Disney. Oops.
And and if if it was about the movement, where
you've been what have you been doing? So I think
the Avery Bradley think is a massive miss, not just
favorite Bradley, but also for the rest of the l
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A Lakers. All that said, the lack of depth of
the position, the inability to get Darren Coulson or keep
every brad Lake, some of that does fall on the
shoulders of Lebron. And even without all of those dudes,
they still should be good death. And it'll say a
lot on Anthony Davis. Right, we gave a pass in
New Orleans for like, he's the only guy, super young,
(12:23):
only guy. Now he's not young, not the only guy,
not even the go to guy. He's the second guy.
And if they if for somehow they were upset by
the Portland Trailblazers or somebody in the first round, some
of that blame should go on Anthony Davis. I just,
I just I don't like the lane, the groundwork for
the upset and the excuses. Well, you know they didn't
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have Rondo. Rondo can't shoot. It didn't help him. Not
a good defender anymore. Well, you know, it's not Lebron's fault.
They can't shoot threes. Some of it is he's allowed
to shoot and make three pointers and oh yeah, by
the way, he's such a good pastor maybe he's passing
out rhythm. And the third thing is like recruit better players,
you recruit them all to the shop, to your TV show.
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You can't get him to sign with the Lakers or
get traded for the Lakers, like you can't make these
things happen. Some of it does fall on le bronze shoulders.
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You know who knows way more than I do, as
Bruce Feldman, who joins us on The Doug Gotlip Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Bruce, I'd like to point out
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how hard your job is, because nine years ago I
broke a story and I felt like I broke it
the right way. At the time, we were both working
at I think you were still two thousand level, you
at CBS now or you at ESPN still that yeah,
And I remember that I was. I had a couple
of really good sources in the Big twelve and one
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of them called me and said hey, and he was
at A and M. And he was like, they were
going to the SEC. They're announcing it tomorrow. They just
had a meeting. They called us all in. They said,
here's the deal, we're going and they're assuming that that Clemson,
Florida State, Um Missouri, I think are are likely to
go with likely to go with us. And I ran
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it through all the channels and they're like good to go,
like you sure, good to go. And there was some
other guy. There's another guy, as you know, that was
covering it, and you want to know part of it,
just because it changed so much and people got cold
feet or there was a plan laid out anyway that
was that was nine years ago today, and those stories,
they do in fact evolve. So sometimes you have a
story you're you know, you're running up the flagpole and
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you say, look, I got my sources and I called
a bunch of people and here's what I find out.
And and by the way, Mike Alden told me, I
was full of you. I was full of crap. They
end up going to the SEC. But your job is
really really hard. What has this story evolving story of
COVID nineteen and teams playing not playing been like to cover? Well,
it's because every day, Doug feels like a week in itself,
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and some stories move too fast and it's like you
can't really get out in front of it to write
about it. Um. I have a story that went up
this morning on the Athletic that I started working on
on Monday and talked to a bunch of sources, and
really the genesis of the story is, uh, what drove
the pack twell to its decision, And really a lot
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of that turned on a zoom call that the conference coaches,
a d S and commissioner all had on Monday night
with their medical experts, and there was a power point
that the medical experts made and showed and and also
had a lot of detailed information. And honestly, in that story,
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over that ninety minute call really scared a lot of
coaches when they heard some of the issues that their
medical experts were telling them they have to be mindful of.
And I think what what makes this story so such
a complicated one is because there's so many years to
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it and there's an element of like a raw shot
test to it where different medical experts in different parts
of the country may see things a little differently, and
people look at it go, well, you know, the NBA
and the NHL are in a bubble, how come college
isn't doing that. Well, it's a different animal, and you
know the baseball is pressing on and yeah, there's been
bumps on the road. Well, baseball is more of a
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social distancing sports than certainly football is. And the rosters
are bigger and as one coach pointed out, our guys
aren't professionals, so it's very complicated. It's constantly moving. And
if anybody tells you they know for certain something that's
gonna be two weeks ago, two weeks from now, they're
kind of lying to you or they're lying to themselves.
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Doug gotlic show here on Fox Sports Trading. That's the
voice of Ruce Velban. Okay, so where is the a CEC.
They're gonna have another meeting like a final final, final
ruling tomorrow. Uh, they are supposed to have a meeting
actually later today. We'll see, you know, the whole thing.
The president of Florida State talked to the final final.
Unless they're waving it off, I don't know how you say,
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you know, we're definitely going forward and that's the final decision,
because there's constantly going to be new information. You can't
you know, I can't say, well, we're not. There's no
chance we're going to back up now. I think at
this point, everything I've heard is that there's a lot
of optimism in the a SEC that they will continue
to press forward. But we'll see. I mean, this is
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all all of it is tv D, right, Doug, You
and I work at Fox Sports. We have relationships with
three conferences that we broadcast. Two of them have canceled
the fall season. One of them, the Big Twelve, is
still holding firm. We'll see what it's gonna be like
if we get to the point where we're doing games
starting September twelve, what those games look like, what the
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college football season and landscape looks like. I mean, it's
crazy because we're already in the middle of August right now,
and it's just we're in such uncharted waters with all
of it. Yeah, there was no spring football, and yet
it feels like they're going to have a little bit
of an elongated training camp because the games have been
pushed back. What are some of these coaches saying they
think the actual gameplay looks like, Yeah, that's that's the
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Other part is if you have a new coaching staff
or a new system in place, you brought it, a
new coordinator, maybe you don't have a quarterback who's who's
played before in actual games, it's gonna be hard to
expect there's going to be smooth sailing here. I mean,
never mind the aspect of you could have a bunch
of kids you know, after quarantine for two weeks in
a position room or something, so you may not have
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half your receiving corps, half your linebacker, cor your offensive line.
Who knows, I mean. And also even the folks who
are the most optimistic that I've talked to, and that's
some folks in the SEC, they are really worried about
what happens when the regular students start coming back, and
what they anticipate is a surge on their campus. And
how do you manage that? I mean they can they
can tell privately all their players, hey, don't go on
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campus if you don't need to take all your classes online.
But there's still a lot of concern about potential spread
that they could get when the regular students come back.
Chris Felman joining us in the Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Um so, Nebraska apparently not going to uh,
you know, not going to try and play in the
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Big twelve, not going to try and play in the
A C C or the SEC. Now is it dead
as far as them playing? Are They absolutely not gonna
play games? Because I just wonder why they couldn't be
the one non conference game for all those teams. I
don't know how the Big Ten would look at that.
I mean, you're in Nebraska, all of a sudden, you're
basically turning your nose up at the rest of your league.
I don't know how that would work for them going forward.
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And also a lot of these games have already been
booked in, so I think that was Nebraska trying to
defend their players because a lot, like a lot of
football coaches I've talked to you, it felt like, Lookard,
we asked our guys to be ultra responsible with this.
They've done everything we've asked, and it's hard for us
to say we've done everything you've had You've done anything
we asked, and unfortunately it's not going be good enough.
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We can't play. And I think that's the emotion that
you heard from Scott Throston some other people in Nebraska. Yeah, yeah,
I know. It's it's really really interesting, and I think
they could have used the shot in the arm to play,
considering that that's a program that's so badly needs to
kind of gain some momentum um. What about Big Ten
players like a Justin Fields, any chance that they don't
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play in the Big that they play in the SEC,
the Big twelve, of the a SEC this year. No,
I don't think so. I mean, I'd be really surprised.
I think when you look at it, if a guy
is going to try to transfer to a school, and
I'm not saying that that won't happen here and there,
but first of all, there aren't gonna have any spots
roster spots available. Second of all, if you're a quarterback
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or almost any position, but especially a quarterback, you're gonna
have to learn a new system on the fly, all
new teammates. You certainly run the risk of putting up
bad film. And then keep in mind you could transfer,
try to have a crash course in the system, and
then September tenth, the con friends determines, you know what,
we can't do this, we cannot play. Or there is
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some kind of issue that comes to the four, whether
it's a player who has had major medical issues and
that becomes public um and then it becomes really problematic
for conference leadership to press forward. I think one of
the things that really hasn't been discussed probably enough um
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is the potential litigation and lawsuits that could be hanging
over colleges and college athletics with some with what we
don't know is coming down the pipeline. I'm sure that
scares a lot of people in leadership. I mean, he
talked about being a reporter in this I would not
want to be an a d and I definitely would
not be in a college president in this environment. No, no, no,
no question about it. Okay, if if if Saturday was
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our for or Saturday is our first game, do you
think we actually have football? If you're a betting man,
do you think we actually have football games? It's not
this Saturday, It's it's a month from now. Yeah, I'm
just I'm just saying, like, like, feel we can have it.
It seems because of all the you know, the stuff
I had heard from the people who are on the
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call at the PAC twelve makes me very skeptical that
they're gonna be it's all over the heart, it's all
over the hard issue stuff, right, well, it's all over
the hard issue, but it's also there's also testing issues
that are concerned. The Pact twelve was going to have
to in five of their hotspot teams, we're going to
have to have be ramped up to have daily testing,
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and a lot of those places that was not viable
or feasible. So again, I think that the virus says,
you know, I've heard this from from a bunch of people.
The virus is going to make the determination on what happens,
and hopefully college football can happen, because then you'd think
nothing really bad has has happened along the next month
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or so. But again, um, you know, one of the
coaches I talked to for that story, and I had
talked to him right before the story actually published, made
this point. He was like, if I have to wear
a bleeping mask to coach, we shouldn't be playing football.
We can't even get to a practice format. And the
the upshot of that, and I think this gets has
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gotten misconstrued Somewhere. People are going to sit back and
say two things I think have gotten probably misunderstood about this.
One is, wait a minute, you're going to say, regular
students come back and they can't end, but they these
guys can't play football. And the reason on on that,
at least from talking to people both in the Big
ten and the Pack twelve, is because it's not just
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that they're playing football is different than going to classes
wearing a mask. We can do social distancing all of
a sudden. Now you've got a hundred guys gotten tackling
each other, They're breathing on each other, is sweating out.
You know, it's like it's not golf. And so that's
one of the big concerns people have is why it's different.
And then the other part that is different. I think
that we need to be pointed out is a lot
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of people have said, well, as a mental health component,
and yes there is, but also it's like, well, they're
gonna get sent home. They're not getting sent home in
the in the in the mac they don't have to leave.
I talked to Paxswell class, they're not getting sent home. Um,
so I think some of this stuff is has gotten
either twisted a little bit, and I think that's kind
of added to a lot of the confusion that's already
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out there. M Bruce Felman, our guest in the Doug
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, what about
feelings towards you know, commissioners. You know that Larry Larry
Scott has been you know, kind of fighting for his
reputation for a couple of years now, the Big Ten,
you're talking about Kevin Moore walking into an absolute buzz
(24:46):
following a legend, following arguably the greatest commissioner in the
history of collegian sports right here Mike's live. Um, how
what does this do to both of their legacies as commissioners?
You know, I think Kevin Warren is the one that
here was the part that puzzled me. Doug and I
did a lot of a lot of btn uh Monday
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and Tuesday, And in full disclosure, like a lot of
people probably already know this, but you know, at Fox
Sports we have relations relationship with with Big ten Network,
and look all the credit to Dave Revson, their their anchor,
who did a great job pressing Kevin Warren for specifics.
But I'm sitting back there watching this and thinking, people
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at the whole sports world right now is focusing on you,
and this is the big kind of a huge deal
lot of in Michigan, Ohio, State and State and a
bunch of other big brand programs, and you need to
give us some I'm not saying, you know, whether there's
hippa issues. I'm not saying you need to identify specific players.
But when it comes out later through our through the
athletic on our site that there's at least ten student
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athletes in the Big Ten are dealing or have been
diagnosed with myo karditis. UH. That probably would have been
a good detail for him to disclose, at least because
I think a lot of people on the outsider going
why did he do this? Why did they shut it down?
And the first of all, look, it wasn't just his decision.
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I mean, it's really the presidents of the of the
conference who make that determination. But in terms of the
messaging of that, I don't think they helped themselves with that.
On the flip side, I think Larry Scott in the
Pact twelve actually and he's been an easy target with
a lot of things, and rightly so, I think, because
I think they made a lot of big mistakes image wise.
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But I thought in that regard, they had Ray Anderson,
the Arizona State a D. They had their chair of
their of their medical advisory board on their uh he
was on there and and one of the college presidents.
So I think they had the right people to be
on there to talk about it. And look, you know,
I think they were a lot more um on the
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same page. And I think we saw with the Big
Ten where we're talking about Nebraska, and then there's like,
you know, a quick story in Ohio State about what's
going on with them that goes that does a quick
one eight, and so it just seemed very unlike what
you become accustomed to in the Big ten on that front. Yeah,
really interesting, great stuff. Bruce doing awesome job covering this.
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sports covering the National Football League. Uh, it feels like
(27:43):
that profession that's finally getting recognized, like man fin like butt.
When we were kids, I said this, Charles matter, we're
kids doctors and lawyers. Those are the ones that owned
the big houses, right and and and and it's like
like running backs whereas now all of a sudden, tight
ends getting paid in the Ashton Football League. Um, why
did it take so long? Because the position had to change? Um,
(28:07):
you know, I think I remember there was a time
when you and I watched tight ends and the version
of tight ends that we watched for a long time.
These were guys that, you know, we're gonna catch fifty passes,
they're gonna put up six hundred yards, and there's you know,
a four touchdown season, and that was going to be
potentially a Pro Bowl level tight end if he could block,
(28:28):
you know, And this isn't you know Vasanthi Shanko, This
is these are guys that frankly, they're they're closer to
wideouts you know, UM in terms of the passing scheme
now than ever before. UM. And if they can be
those guys who can be massive mismatches, but then they're physical,
(28:51):
they can block, They especially love to run block. If
they're just special players, they're gonna get special money. And
I think Gronk was probably you know, Antonio Gates, Gronk.
You know, there've been a couple of guys that have
come down the pipeline where you're like, you know, Tony Gonzalez,
like that is a Hall of Fame caliber tight end.
Now we're starting to see some of those guys come
(29:13):
through the pipeline. And I mean Kelsey and and George
Kittle bull fall in that mold Doug Otlib show here
on Fox Sports Rader. That's the voice of Charles Robinson,
senior NFL reporter for Yahoo Sports. Fall on Twitter at
Charles Robinson check out his Yahoo Sports NFL podcast. Um,
you know, you know, I'm watching Hard Knocks and obviously
there's not a lot of buzz to it. But I
(29:35):
do think that because there are so many limitations in place,
with how much these guys have been able to get
get together, how much work has been it will be done.
It does if I use that on the macro. It
feels like the teams that have the most remaining from
last year are going to be the most successful, i e.
The Cancity Chiefs in the forty niners. It doesn't. It
(29:58):
feels like a year in which t teams that stayed
the same will stay the same and see in terms
of the standings, well veterans, I mean, there's there's something
to be said about an off season in which teams
don't get ahold of guys. You know, you don't get
him in for the O t s, you don't get
him in for the mini camps um because you're not
you know, they're not in lifting. You know, all these
different things and even from a you know, a schematic standpoint, um,
(30:23):
you know, even the classroom work. I know guys are
doing it over zoom and all this stuff, but I
don't think it's the same, um, you know, because look, guys,
guys can be competitive in meeting rooms. You know. One
of my favorite stories ever told was when you know,
Jacoby Brissette was a backup to Tom Brady and he
got to ask the question and the meeting and he
didn't answer it fast, and I like, he literally paused
(30:43):
and tom Brady just answered it, like ran over him
in a meeting room. And basically tom Brady's message to
him was, you know, get to let out beyond it
either answered or don't. Like, if you can't answer it,
I'm gonna answer it for you. I don't care for
the questions to you. And you know, players lose some
of that over zoom meetings. You know, you're not you know,
some guys are very competitive in the classroom. Drew Brees
(31:04):
is historically like they drafted Garrett Grayson to replace Drew Brees,
and Drew Brees ruined him in in the classroom because
he he was like, look, I'm gonna be competitive in here,
and if you don't keep up well and you know so,
I think some of that's lost. And I do believe
that teams with veteran rosters, guys who have been there before,
gone through the monotony of certain parts of preparing, are
(31:28):
going to be a lot easier to deal with. And
that's why, frankly, I'm not surprised that the Seattle Seahawks
you run into an undrafted rookie is the guy who's
trying to sneak a woman, you know, into the hotel
um in Seahawks gire. I mean, it's a ridiculous story,
but that doesn't surprise. It's an all's let's let's take
a little second though. It's an all timer right now.
(31:49):
Look story, it's all like in terms of this, like
this is like a who wasn't had the wisen Remember
who was the running back for the Vike ing? Oh man,
I can't believe I'm not going to remember this. We'll
get back to it. We'll get back to so there
right resonator was was was down there? But up there, yes,
(32:11):
um Kima Severan who played at A and M and
an Oklahoma State. He tried to sneak a girl in.
It was Ontario Smith. There you go. Ontario Smith is
all times. He's always good to have a producer in
your ear. Yes, yes, and the Internet and the Internet,
the network. Well um so, so he tries to seek
(32:32):
her in and she dresses with seahawks gear in an
effort to be thought of as a as a seahawk player,
which I mean, I would hope she doesn't look like
a seahawk player. I guess that's actually the good takeaway
from it is she was attractive enough to not be
you know, misconstrued with Sam Gash right, Like, she didn't
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she didn't look like a dude. She didn't have traps
popping out of her ears like some of these NFL dudes. Yeah,
she to have guns, you know, she's not walking in
with the you know, the Aaron Donald guns. But yeah,
look it's it's definitely an all timer. But I'm also like, yeah,
this this doesn't blow my mind in terms of knowing,
you know, this is a young I'm sorry, but young guys.
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Not that not that veterans don't make stupid mistakes, but
I think this is one of those seasons knowing what
a lot of those NFL p a calls were like
you know, knowing, you know who got involved in this
process and you know, being concerned. In a way, it
mirrored um weirdly enough, I think a mirrored society. Like
when I when I would talk to people, you know
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with the union, they would say like, yeah, you know,
you don't hear a lot of concern from the two
year olds, Like most labor situations, you don't hear a
lot of concerns from the twenty four year olds. But
it's the guys that are in their thirties who know
how hard it was to stick in this league. Um,
who know that hey grinding out five, six, seven years
(33:59):
and a pension and you know, you know, providing for
your family while playing football as long as you possibly can.
Those tend to be the guys that, um, don't make
a mistake this stupid this early. Now that's not to
say that a vet won't do it in November, you know.
That's not to say there won't be a Clevinger situation
or you know, a Miami Marlins situation where people just
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start to do stupid stuff out of the sheer boredom
of what this is going to be like. But I mean,
come on, man, We're like right on the doors that
we just got here. We just got here. You know,
they're not even pads yet, there's not there's no contact,
like and for this to happen now is just absolutely
you know, it's foolish. But you you have a lot
of teams around the league that their hotel situations are
(34:42):
set up and the rookies are in the hotel. So
like the Los Angeles Charges a good example. I was
talking to somebody with the Chargers and he said, yeah, man,
you know, we we do have a hotel set up.
He said, that's where the rookies are. And he said,
and there are rooms available for the veterans that they
want them. And they're like, but you know, that's where
where we're putting our rookies. And I sat there and
I thought, man, I you know, if there's gonna be
something dumb that happens, it's probably gonna be with the
(35:04):
rookies in the hotels because they're not completely cordoned off,
and um, you know, those are the guys that are
probably going to be least responsible up front, even though
that you know, some of them clearly need jobs and
you know, are cutible. But it's yeah, this is just
I'll tell you what it is. Another one of these
moments though, and Major League Baseball has provided most up
(35:25):
to this point. But it's another one of those moments
that other teams are gonna seize upon. And I'm telling
you I guarantee the next couple of days and I
wouldn't I wouldn't even be surprised. We saw it on
Hard Knocks. I guarantee you're gonna see um coaches or
or personnel, you know, gms who are saying two players, Hey,
(35:45):
look at what just happened. Like, absorb that because that's
real and that's gonna happen here if this happened Doug
got Lee show here on Fox Sports Radio, Charles Robinson
joining us that said, it did. It felt like a
lot of quick opt outs before the guys really knew
what the product calls look like. I know that was
how that that was how the deal worked. Um, yeah,
you know when I saw Hard Knocks was like, yeah,
(36:07):
I mean they got like legit protocols. It feels like
they'll be prepared. I do understand. You know that that
this this heart condition is a is a real possibility
if you contract COVID and that's the that's the big fear.
My thing is I actually think you're just as likely,
if not more likely to contract COVID at home as
you are uh in a facility. You're playing football. The
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only differences you're being tested daily in the National Football League.
That that said, Like, how badly hurt was Kansas City
Damian Williams. Obviously they were placed in the draft, but
he was there. It might have been their best player
for most of the Super Bowl. And then you lose
a really talented offensive lineman. I know that New England
was badly hurt, but it feels like Kansas City was
as well. Yeah you well, Kinsey, you lose, you lose
(36:52):
a veteran offensive line, you lose a rookie offensive lineman.
So that's that's depth right there. I mean, so you're
you're seeing depth lost. You know, you talk about losing
a running back who is a veteran and multi talented.
Not granted, you did take a running back in the
first round and who's you know, going to be extremely
talented in Clyde Edwards Hilaire. But um, this the problem
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is with rookie running backs, those are typically unless they're
really special guys. Those are people who teams don't trust
until you're halfway through a season because they have to
prove that they can protect a quarterback. And um, you know,
so yeah, from a death standpoint, it it definitely isn't great.
But Kansas City is just I mean, they've loaded. It's ridiculous.
Like you look at the roster and you just sit
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there and you go, they kept everybody, didn't lose Chris Jones.
They extended them, you know, they they extended um, the
you know, the quarterback, they extended the tight end, they
extended all these special players. And they didn't suffer yet.
And I think next year's really we're gonna see this
moving forward. They didn't suffer the gutting that happens to
a lot of Super Bowl teams where all of a sudden,
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in free agency, a lot of like mid tier guys
seem very attractive because they're coming off of Super Bowl teams. Um,
I think that's still a year away for Kansas City.
But to me, yeah, I think I think even though
they lost a little bit, I just don't see how
Kansas City didn't walk like walk out of this offseason
going Man, it's it's here for us, Like we we could,
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we could very easily repeat um As as champions this year.
You know, we've got all these pieces in that offense
is just it's absurd. And this may actually be one
of the few years where off the bat offenses should
be way ahead of you know, usually it's opposite defenses
are way ahead. But I think if you haven't a
better than offensive group knows the scheme, knows and you
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have a quarterback who has a cannon like you know,
Patrick Mahomes and who who can be um creative, which
is where the league is with quarterbacks, defenses are gonna
have a hell of a time with Kansas City already.
And I think this is gonna be one of those
those seasons where not having the hitting, not having all
that continuity in the offseason is gonna hurt the defenses
(38:58):
that faced them right away. I would not the f
C West is good luck in ten years you're going
to be drafting to deal with Pat Mahomes for ten years. Um.
But last thing, Charles Robinson joining us gotli show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Charles a senior NFL reporter for
y'all Who Sports is a great podcast. Y'all Who Sports,
NFL podcast. You do talk to lots of people in
the league. What's their level of confidence that this thing
(39:18):
will go off on time? I think it's better, I
really do. I think it's improved because I think the
fear was when the COVID testing began and guys started
getting the facilities, the fear was that, you know, there
could be a huge spade of positives that they just
don't know we're there and um, or that there would
(39:38):
be some asteroids like just like maybe some big time
quarterbacks would would have it, or in the opt outs
there would be some you know, just mind blowing opt outs.
Now you know there there's some good players that opted out,
there's no doubt. But I mean, like, you know, people
are like, oh, c J. Mowsley opted out. I'm like,
all right, c J. Mowley wasn't really on the field
for the Jets last year. I mean, um, km, hey,
where's the guy who could have opted out, you know,
(40:00):
for for the Pittsburgh Steelers didn't. Von Miller's guy could
have opted out for the Broncos. So like even some
of these guys, I think we're sort of expected stars
who could have opted out didn't. Um. I think teams
were optimistics that it wasn't this huge run of of
super above board guys. The Patriots were surprising with the number.
But and then beyond that, the testing, the overall testing,
(40:21):
even the unions like, hey, it's well below one for everybody,
like you throw everybody in it, and and that matters.
You gotta have the cauldron of personnel, people, support staff,
every everybody there for it to be well below one percent.
And you're just starting here. Um, And and it hasn't
really gone in the opposite direction, you know, in the
early going. I think people feel a lot better about it.
(40:44):
And now they're let me put it to this way.
Right now teams are struggling with like, hey, if we're
gonna have fans, how do we figure that out? It's
less of an operational you know football standpoint. We'll shift
a little more toward that when they hit each other
and they start hitting each other, um, you know, the
third week of August, you know, so about ten, I
think we're like ten twelve more days from that. We'll
(41:05):
see then if if the dynamic changes a little bit.
So I said, I see it was good. I said
it was the last one. I lot, I got one
more Joe Montana told USA Today that that Tom Brady
said they listened to him and then didn't take any
of his suggestions. How much of that is because we
always operated under the premise that him Andy Daniels were boys,
(41:27):
were close, you know, and and that McDaniels and his
relationship was like like brothers. Um I was. I was
a little bit surprised. I'm not surprised in terms of
it's based upon personnel, but in terms of what they
did and how they did it, that's kind of surprising
to me. Yeah, And I actually think it's a little
bit of both. Like you know, I'll give you example,
(41:48):
like he he was upset about Antonio Brown, Like he
really was upset that that they, you know, just washed
their hands of Antonio Brown, particularly because Tom was such
a big part of get him in there, getting him
on the right page, accepting him, like I mean, Brady
brought him into his home, like all these different things,
and then you know, the Patriots pulled the plug. And
(42:08):
and frankly, you know, Tom's pretty cutthroat, and I think
part of his thought process was you just took awake.
I could have been the difference from us, like you know,
and then he sat there and you saw they struggled offensively.
I think that was part of it. Um. I would
like Joe to be a little more specific. You know,
I've heard only put it this way. You've heard a
lot of stories over the years over what was frustrating
(42:29):
Brady and and it's been a you know, my rate
of different things. And I think those things are all
going to bleed out over the years and maybe someday
there's a you know, the Big Last Dance documentary or
the Lance document whatever it is. And it was obviously
it's coming because Tom's cut that deal, um, and I
think some of that stuff maybe eventually might get out.
It's it's gonna be been coming upon Tom though to
(42:50):
actually say, like here a couple of things that really
pissed me off. And I'll say this about what Montana said.
Don't don't think that there weren't some legitimate frustrations on
on Tom's part in terms of he felt he always
felt like he deserved a bigger seat at the table,
and in terms of the decision making and or at
least the input and feeling like he was heard not
(43:12):
uncommon with quarterbacks. I mean, there's so many of these
Aaron Rodgers another guy. I want to be heard. They
want to be well look look it's it's it's actually
a lot like Aaron, I want to be heard and
oh yeah, by the way, don't be drafting somebody to
replace me, right Like I mean, I was told Peyton Manning,
who's like the best. But every time someone's drafted Indianapolis,
he'd called the g M be like who is this guy?
Like what why are we taking the Well, you know,
(43:33):
it didn't it could be seventh round, it didn't matter.
They all are kind of wired the same. Charles, we
gotta run great stuff. Can't wait to hear the next pod.
Yeah who Sports NFL podcast? Charles Robinson fall m on
Twitter as well. Thanks so much, Charles, Yeah, thanks for
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