August 14, 2020 • 35 mins
Doug talks to former NFL scout John Middlekauff about the record setting contracts for tight ends and why Tom Brady left the Patriots in free agency. He explains why Damian Lillard’s rise to super stardom was been the “perfect storm” for NBA stars. Doug wonders if the Russell Wilson is calling out his coaching staff for the first time.
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the red hot City of Angels. Oh, we got the
NBA restart about to be ended and the playoffs about
to begin. Welcome in, So we got some hoop to
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talk about, maybe a little golf to talk about. We
catch up with everything football though with John Middlecoff, who
does like to talk hoop, does like the top golf,
and of course the three Now podcast, the FORMERFL scout
um and we'll talk NFL with him in a second. John,
I want I want to actually start with what I
began the show with. And you're the perfect guy because
you're in northern California. I kind of feel like because
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the nets are fun and pretty good without Kyrie and
k d and maybe this is more on Kyrie than
it is on k d Um. I feel like, and
I think the Warriors, as much as I do, believe
there's another run in them, maybe not another historic run
in them, but another run in them. Like, those guys
are still gonna be good when they come back. We'll
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see if they'll be championship level great because the league
has evolved and maybe caught up to them in some aspects.
But I feel like their legacy is said because they
want a championship and won seventy three games and back
to back years before winning two championships with k D.
I feel like Kadi and Kyrie's legacies are very much
up in the air. And how it goes with Brooklyn
next year specifically, um maybe a huge deciding factor and
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how we look at them long after they retired. I
would agree, but I'd say that Katie's a little more
in cement, you know, because Steph had been the back
to back m v P and he came here and
he was the best player in the world and Steph
was still damn good and Clay became a star kind
of with them. So it was like, to me, Kevin
is just a different animal, right to me, Kyrie kind
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of a unique cat because when he's on No. One
can stop him. What do he had that game this
year where he scored like sixty and he didn't miss
you know, I mean he used to give the Warriors
the business. And when they won the championship, remember those
final three games. I think game five and six and
he scored forty and both of them. Uhha. But but
to me, Kevin is like a different dude. He can be,
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you know, just kind of introverted at times, negative or whatever,
but people like him. You know. I even when Draymond
snapped at him, it wasn't because he doesn't like him.
It was just because he wouldn't commit to the team.
And Draymond and Steph and Clay like those guys are
all in guys. Uh. Kyrie is kind of, it felt like,
at times, like a bad guy, like treated just random
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coaches and players poorly like Kevin never got that rap.
I don't. I wouldn't parallel them at all. But there
is gonna be a lot of pressure on these two
because you had a good tweet last night. It's like,
why does every time Kyrie disappears from a squad they
just play like legitimate basketball? I mean, it's time, it's
tried and true formula now yeah, um are we like
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some people seem to be falling for this trap. But
it's like the argument you make about Damian Lillard. If
we believe that about Lillard being well, now he's one
of the greatest players in the league, right, that becomes true.
But the Son's becoming a league team because they're eight No, right, Like,
it's a small sample size. He's been awesome, Let's not
take away from it. But we've also seen him anytime
we've seen him in the playoffs against Steph, step has
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been better. Right, Like you can like really really really
good or even great and then superstar and there's a
difference between the two. Or do you believe that he's
evolved and he's taking his his talent to a different level. Yeah,
I know, just knowing a couple of guys around the
Warriors and just watching the way their their players talk,
including Kevin, like they have immense respect for Dame and
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they don't really respect that many guys in the league
because they have destroyed everybody, you know for five years.
To me, he's on the short list with Kauai and
like Lebron of the guys that they just know, Like,
is I mean the legitimate guy because he always torches
the Warriors. To me, his issue is like, yeah, they
play no defense. Well, I mean Steph a big part
of stepfause he's got Draymond and Clay next to him.
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Imagine if instead of having c J, Dame's right hand
man was like Paul George or just you know, some
equivalent to Clay in that realm, I think there would
be a lot better on defense. Like to me, Dame,
it ain't Dames Like Dame is what he is, but
it's not like step is some lockdown Jason Kidd defender. Right.
So to me, I was thinking about this today going
for a job. Why would you entertain and I know
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he's banged up right now, is a bad back. Why
wouldn't you trade c J this offseason if you could?
I know he makes a lot of money now and
try to get like that type player you know, you know,
I don't know, you know better. It's like because Ben
Simmons a fit, you know, just a guy, just a
more defensive minded, longer guy like that, to me is
what they've always been missing why they could never match
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up to the Warriors. One Dame again consistently scores like
forty to fifty against peak Warriors teams. It was just
they could play no defense. Well he doesn't. He also
doesn't play a ton of No he doesn't, but he does.
But I just think they just need to surround him
with more guys like that and given themselves a chance
because he's he's definitely elite offensively, right with the top
of the line guys. Yeah, CJ has c J only
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has one year left I think on his deal. I
thought they gave him a big extension last year. They
knows I was a couple of years ago. Um, and
it was a four year, a hundred and six million
dollar deal and they have the bird rights. He's a
free agent at the end of next season. See it's
it's it's interesting. It would be it would be incredibly bold. Um.
I don't the problem, Simmons is nobody just about I understand. No. No,
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I mean, like yeah, I mean at some point you
go like, look, this is the ceiling. And you know
whereas last time when they had LaMarcus Aldridge, they lost
in the free agency and then they had that season
where you know, they were a little bit better than
people thought after LaMarcus Aldridge, but they couldn't keep him.
You know, they're there because they've been shunned before by
stars who have left. They're more prone to overpay to
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keep the guys that they have and and feel closer
to them and and try and use it as some
sort of loyalty. So it's a great question. I think
it would depend upon the guy, the contract, and how
Damian Lillar would would would feel with him, right, So
I really think the NBA could just use more dames
in the sense of star players that are passionate about
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where they're playing. And you and I have talked about
this off the radio, Like, clearly he likes basketball. What
do you say last night after the game, Like, you know,
I've watched in that team like four times since he's
been here. How many guys in the bubble have actually
been watching the games? Right? I think I think a
good portion. I think it's it's like, look, it's like
it's almost like it gets back to your roots, right,
Like if you're a ball guy, like you get back
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You're like, man, it's like this is like the greatest
day of you tournament ever. We can always get in
the gym. It's only us, you know, you know you go,
you take the bus to the game, you come back,
and it's just about you can watch any game you watch,
it's about basketball. Like I I do think that the
guys that have not grown past that almost childhood infatuation
with the sport are are some of the ones that
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are more locked in because of it, where there are
other guys that just basketball. I mean, Chris has had
a good bubble, you know, he he likes basketball. Yes, yes, yes,
it also says a little bit something about what's going
on in their home lives normally, like in terms of distraction,
like well, how come you're not this good all the time?
When I got wife, I got kids. But Damian Lillard,
it's like you guys got rap career, you know when
you when you cut away and you got all this
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time for it. Uh, it's fascat all. Right, let's get
the football. Um, college football wise, what's your reaction to
half the college football big time teams are playing half
of them or not? You know, not surprising. I think
the Big Ten and definitely the Pact twelve, their school
presidents just view themselves as world leaders, you know, I
mean the academics in the Pac twelve. Definitely come first,
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and I think just watching from Afar, the Big ten
views themselves the same. So the SEC you know, say
what you want, like football comes first, like it's it's
a way of life, and the Big twelve you know,
you know better than me. But it sure feels like
especially the big boys like Oklahoma, Oklahoma State Texas, like
it's athletics are a big deal, and the boosters that
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pay for it, you know, have a lot of poll
Like out here, the boosters have some poll. But I
mean we've seen over the years with USC, it's actually
a little more complicated than it is with some of
the other school like in the South, it's pretty black
and white, like if they're gonna play and they're gonna try.
I was think the coaches have a lot more juice,
like what Nick Saban says on campus or now Eddioh
or you know, Kirby Smart, you know, back in the
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heyday of like Spurrier and some of these Bobby Bowden
in the a SECS rules like that matters, Like no
one cares what the football coach says that U c
l A. I mean you know that. I mean it's
just did a cow Jesin Wilcox Day whatever he wants,
nobody cares, and I just think it's just uh priorities
and just they care a lot about football. I don't
know if it's right or wrong. We're gonna find out,
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but I commend them for trying. Um. I saw this
on Twitter, like the Big twelve or I mean, the
Big Ten is gonna have students on campus, but they
can't play football and they they can play inner murals. Yeah,
I mean I've seen enough, Like I saw Iowa signing
some petition. I listen, the kids want to play, their
parents wanted to play, and clearly the coaches like it
sure doesn't seem like Ryan Day and Kirk Ferrence and
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Jim Harbaugh are agreeing with its decision. Right, It's not
like some of you. They're all petrified over the and
rightfully so, over the vir No, well, the virus didn't
go to your heart and the litigation and the potential
for you know, lung damage again. But but my thing
is like, look, you're actually and this is where Trevor
Lawrence was echoing something that I've said on this show
for a couple of months, which is, I understand if
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you think you're going home to a bubble right, and
never going outside, and you're constantly gonna be monitored. Fine,
but you're not. You're going home and you're a college kid.
You're not gonna want to hang home with your parents.
You're gonna want to work out. All these things are
inherently more dangerous, more likely to catch COVID, and you
won't be monitored by a team doctor. And if you
do get it, after you you're not gonna get m
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r S after you're done. Right, like all this stuff,
all of this, all of this life will still take place,
only you won't have the oversight of college football coaches
and all of the resources given to you. Here here's
what I listen. I'm not a doctor, but that you know,
the heart starts with the damn the big the Big
ten made kind of an issue with wouldn't that be
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an issue then in the NFL because it clearly I
haven't read one time that that has come up, that
that potential heart disease that can you know, carry over
if you get corona in you know, especially for bigger people. Right,
uh right, So I clearly the SEC has the biggest
people going and they haven't flinched, and they have and
if you see. I think Alabama reported that they've been
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testing everyone coming back on campus and they've had pretty
good results. And it's not even talking football players and
just talking to students. So I just think it's a
fundamental different way to look at the way to operate.
When I think about the SEC, when I think about
the Big Twelve, I just think very very aggressive. And
I think when I think the Big Ten and definitely
the Pack twelve, I I just first thing, I think
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that maybe the Big Ten is a little bit different
like Ohio State, but still like academics kind of come
first and just that academic mindset. You know how many
people in business would like be good friends with school presidents,
like that's just not their type guy. And these guys
aren't businessmen, but they are, like you said, they are
very risk adverse and they want to avoid this. And
clearly that if it was five kids total in the
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conference that had that hard issue, that's enough to scare
those type people. Where Nick saban, that's just not gonna
make him flinch, right or wrong. Um, two tight ends
get paid there, two of the elite tight ends and
not the two best tight ends in football. I think
most people love Kittle more than like kell in terms
of the fact that Kittle blocks and Kelsey doesn't um.
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And then you know, comparison wise, pass catching wise, I
think Kelly Kelsey is a little bit better. But I
obviously bow to your knowledge. What what changed in terms
of their salaries? It does feel like the NFL for
a long time had suppressed the tight end salaries. Is
it because these two are elite guys or is this
a trend that that others will follow. Well. I think
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Kittle was in this weird spot. The tight ends have
always just been really they were the lowest paid, highest
paid player at their position, Like the highest paid tight
end was less than the highest paid guard. And I
think Kittle was at the point where they were going
to start padded practices, I think on Saturday, and there
were rumors like he was not going to practice. So
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Mike Tannebomb tweeted this a while ago. The new holdout
is a hold in, like you show up but because
you're not gonna work out. Yeah, yeah, You're just not
gonna do anything because you're not gonna, you know, risk it.
And Kindle is the best player on the team on
a team that went won fifteen games, last year, So
you know, I don't think he wanted to go the
Aaron Donald Khalil Mack. He's not Jamal Adams. He wasn't
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gonna because he likes he loves Kyle and John drafted him.
He like, he likes playing here. But it was like,
he's not gonna sign Austin Hooper money, so you were
gonna have to meet him. Like to me, like Marie,
I understand, you get paid on positions, just like real estate,
like you get paid on where you live and you know,
based on like what blocked for your house, But like,
how could George Kittle? To me, he should be much
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closer to a Marie Cooper than Austin Hooper. And I
still think the deal that he signed, like every team
in the league was signed for that contract. I mean,
he's one of the best players in the league and
he makes forty million total unguaranteed money, like we talked
about boast of last week makes two because George Kittle
makes sixty two million dollars and guaranteed dollars less. So
it's just it's an all time undervalued position still even
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though it's a quote unquote historic deal. And then just
you know, knowing the guys in Kansas City, they just
love Kelsey. I mean Andy, he loves throwing the ball,
and Kelsey's probably gonna go down. I mean, besides, like
Tony Gonzalez, I mean, he's got a chance, if he
can stay healthy, he's next three or four years one
of the greatest pass catching tight ends of all time.
I mean, he has two catches the last two years.
I don't see why that's got to slow down. Playing
with the quarterback he's got, right, Yeah, let let me
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play for you. Something Joe Montana said to us, I
take a listen, Well, my guesses don't give him a
little bit of opportunity in the offense to to do
things that they did. Um. I think that was one
of his piece up there. He told me that, you know,
they asked my advice, I tell him, and then that
they don't uh so. UM. I think he would like
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a little bit of input, and I think they'll probably
let him have that, especially with the success he's had.
What do you think was that? Tom and Belichick? I
mean not shocking, I mean Belichick, it's just kind of
his show, even though it's kind of crazy when you
hear it, when you think about other great quarterbacks that
are just you. When you think Peyton Manning, you think
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it's the complete opposite. Right, what he said goes he
basically was the offensive coordinator. I think Tom had earned
the right by the end, and I would imagine like
Josh was in this weird spot right kind of the intermediary,
but it was never really his call. And that's the
thing with Bill, like he doesn't technically call the offense
the defense of the special teams, but really does, Like
you don't call a play without it going through his head.
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He can he can x anything. And you know clearly
their relationship, you know, Bill and Tom, which is just
human nature, right when you've been together that long, um,
and they just went through some weird stuff and it
kind of feels like I got a little weird after
the Flate Gate. But I don't think Tom just had
these thoughts the last couple of years. It's probably the
last decade. But when you're winning and you're that famous
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and you're winning Super Bowls and you're Tom Brady, I
think he just kind of deal with it, and maybe
it's easier. It clearly was easier for him to just
kind of draw a line in the Sandy's forty two
years old, forty three. You know, it's like you'll take
stuff when think about what you would do when you
were thirty, you can't imagine doing when you're forty, you know.
I bet it's just it was easy for him, though,
we'll see how easy it actually goes, especially with this
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crazy year, Like it actually might be kind of hard,
you know, giving this new offense, given what they're trying
to implement, like him and Bruce trying to get on
the same page. It's probably gonna be a little bit
work in progress. But I mean, at the end of
the day, they have a lot more talent than he
did the last year in New England. No, no, no
question about it. Uh last thing that got live show
here on Fox Sports Radio. You talk a lot of
raiders on your pod. What I've I've been asking people this,
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what is it that Derek carrs missing? Just knowing people
on the staff over the years, Like he has the
physical tools and we saw it that year when he
was in the m v P mix. Since he's been
banged up, they'll always say, like in practice, he'll just
be slinging around, slinging around. But as we know, in football,
you gotta red jersey and practice you never get hit
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and in the games, and I think Sando wrote it
in his piece on the on the tiers. He just
won't pull the trigger sometimes, like when he starts getting
rattled hit. If it's all good, he's fine. And I
think sometimes he thinks too much about people coming at
him because he's been hurt, you know, he's had like
legitimate injury, shattered his ankle, broke his back, and I
think it just it just gets in his head. And
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last year, I know statistically was good, but I've been
watching him since high school. I just actually didn't think
he played that well the majority of the like winning football,
winning place in the second half against good teams. I'm
not even talking about like throwing the ball in the
ground on fourth down when you're down twenty like that
that's stupid, But like I'm talking more in a tie
game in the third quarter, just taking a dump sack
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or throwing a pick six. And it's just this is
a big year for him, man. I mean, they draft
an elite receiver in the top fifteen, they draft a
couple of more guys. They gotta star running back, you know,
Gruden's nuts and he's given Derek a long leash right now,
this is what Gruden's third year like, that's that's a
long time to have a quarterback that you didn't draft
or sign and you have it one yet. So I
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would say, especially given the power of the Vegas and
what they're gonna try to win, like they better be
in the playoff. Nix. Just look at his contract. I
saw today. He I saw Gruden had a quote Mariota,
look damn good. It's like, I don't think you're just
throwing that out randomly, right. It might be a little
Phil Jackson mind games with the starting quarterback Middlecoff. Great stuff. Dude,
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Yeah you took a job. Are you playing golf this weekend? Yeah?
I'm headed out right now. You know it's a hundred
and five degrees. That means no one's on the course.
Guess yourself. I actually I like playing golf. It's hot.
I love it. It's like, you know, golfing, you don't
really you get a sweat, except when you play when
it's hot and there's nobody out there and the ball
runs a little bit further, so you're like, man, I
really crushed that drive and He's like, no, it just
rolls a lot further because everything is everything is dry
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for sure, golf baseball deserved to be played in the heat.
There you go, John Middlecoff joining us three Ounce of podcast.
Thanks so much, John Weekend. It's been the perfect storm
for this NBA player to rise to superstardom. I'll tell
you who that is next. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three
p m. Easter a Noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
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in the heart Radio Whap Doug Allam Show, Fox Sports Radio.
Do you guys know what a north easter is? Ramos?
You know? Nor north easter is? I believe it's when
two fronts meet together at one point to make a
bigger than life storm, a wicked, wicked, wicked awesome storm.
Wi it awesome? Is that kind of right? Yes, there's
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one other element that that's missing. Buy or do you
want to help out? Are you familiar with the nor easter? Um? Know? What?
What did John say? Two front two fronts meet together? Yes?
Isn't in a snow storm? Yes, can be a snow show,
can also be a rainstorm as well, but yes, typically Okay,
so so when a when a when a when a
storm kind of goes through right in like the northeast
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part of the countries where nor Easter usually not easta
where it usually occurs. You know, you get what's called
a dusting, and dusting in New england's like sixt eight inches, right,
that's like a dusting. You know, some snow will clean
it off, we'll clean the roads will be fine. Anarista,
you can get twenty four forty eight inches in a day,
just dumped. And what happens is you get what's called
(20:07):
an Alberta clipper. That's a low pressure system that comes
from Canada, super cold, and then you get a low
pressure system from the contiguous in the United States, like
comes over Iowa in the Midwest, and they meet, they merge.
But here's the one thing you missed, John, is there's
a high pressure system that will get parked off of
the off of the coast of New England right right
in the Cape Caud area, right, it's right there in
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the Cape cart And so the storms instead of just
coming through, they get stuck and they churn and churn
and turn and churn and churn, and thirty inches of
snow is on your lawn the next day. That's a
narista and some might describe it as the perfect stime. Right,
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that's what's happened, frankly with Phoenix or with with Portland's
right with with Portland. Portland was massively underachieving all season long,
some because Damian Lillard wasn't consistently as good as he
could have been, but some because they had lost Zach
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Collins and Nurkics for the season. You lose your two,
you're starting four, you're starting five. Um. You combine that
with Gary Trent, who's kind of coming to his own
is just a rookie. So rookies get like an offseason
and this is their second year. You get Nurkics and
Collins back. You get as much as Carmeno Anthony has
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been hit or miss, he's getting a chance to play.
Because you've got Collins back, you got a chance to
play him summit small forward, not just a power forward
where he could have a little bit more of a mismatch.
He's also not called on as much to make as
many plays. And then you get a heater from you know,
from a guy like a Damian Lillard, and not every
team they've played against has brought their top guys either, right, Um,
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some of it has been drawn. I mean the other
night when he went for sixty one against the Mavericks,
he's going right at Perzingis, who's just a horrific defensive
just horrific. Their strategy was bad and and Perzingis was bad.
Combined it was awful defensively, so you know, and then
there's also some kind of preseason football element of we're
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waiting for sports to come back, so we're watching and
the numbers just pop out at us, and we go
like all of this stuff together, and you're like, mouth,
Damian Lillard is amazing, He's great, He's been great. I'm
not here to defame Damian Lillard to go forty one
and three consecutive games, okay, But there's a lot of
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other kind of stuff at play. You know, two fronts,
high pressure system which allows it to be the perfect storm, right,
and and we do this, I mean we do this
in football. How many times I've been watching usually the
second preseason game and the rookie quarterback comes out Daniel
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Jones last year, right, perfect preseason, Like, oh my god,
Daniel Jones is amazing. Everybody missed on him. I mean,
how many how many preseason superstars have we seen? We're like, well,
you know, I don't I don't want to take this
preseason seriously, but man, do they look good? I know
I I they always say like, I know it's preseason,
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but man, Chad Henny was throwing that pill around, I mean,
playing Gabbett was emerging. Be sure to catch the live
edition of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three
p m. Easter noon Pacific. This was Joe Montana talking
about Tom Brady's decision to leave New England. Well, my
guesses don't give him a little bit of opportunity in
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the offense to do things that they did. Um. I
think that was one of his piefa there. He told
me that, you know, they asked my advice, I tell him,
and then they don't do any So, UM, I think
he would like a little bit of the input and
I think they'll probably let him have that, especially with
the success he's had. Doug gotlip show here on Fox
(24:07):
Sports Radio. All right, So it basically says like, hey,
Tom Brady had no say in New England, none, no say.
You know, it's interesting. I don't know what he was
referring to until I talked to Charles Robinson yesterday. This
was interesting. It is Charles Robinson from Yahoo Sports. He
had this to say about Brady being unhappy with the Patriots.
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He was upset about Antonio Brown, Like he really was
upset that that they just washed their hands of Antonio Brown,
particularly because Tom was such a big part of getting
him in there, getting him on the right page, accepting him,
like I mean, Brady brought him into his home, like
all these different things, and then you know, the Patriots
pulled the plug and and frankly, you know, Tom's pretty cutthroat,
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and I think part of his thought process was you
just took a wig. I could have been the difference
from like you know, and then he sat there and
you saw they struggled offensively. I think that was part
of it. Mm hmm, Well, the problem with Antonio Brown thing.
And I look, here's Brady's perspective. We've always just been
about winning. Corey Dillon had a bad reputation, came here,
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couldn't have been better. Obviously. Aaron Hernandez was a guy
that had a checkered past and a checker tenure. Really
with the Patriots. You didn't know anything about we. We
didn't ask questions. Randy Moss was a guy. I play football.
I play when I want to play right, Like all
of these guys, they had some issues, but when they
but in New England, it was hey, if you want
to be a football player, then this is the place
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to come. You want to win, this is the place
to come. It's about winning. And Antonio Brown was supposedly
great at practice and about winning. The problem with Antonio
Brown is one the timing with you know, the owner's
massage parlor, parlor antics from the off season before right
like we there there, there's something there and then and
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I said at the time on this show, like it
wasn't a day that went by without there being a
new Antonio Brown issue. It wasn't like there was one
thing like you know, he refused to take a breathalyzer
and a d U I we don't know if he
was drunk or g was just you know he had
he said he had a glass of wine and was like, no, no,
it wasn't even it was about violence against women, violence,
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you know, using kind of social media and the media
to go after this other woman. There was all these
different issues, and every day there was something new, and
finally the Patriots, who only had him for like it
was like eleven days, we're like enough. We just we've
had enough. And I understand. Brady is like, look, I
laid I opened my house to this dude, and I
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legit like him and he's a great player, and he
was we were that one player away from maybe winning
a Super Bowl and you cut him. Come on, man,
what are we doing here. We're the Patriots. We're about
We're about winning. Winning and only winning is all we're about.
We're about winning and only winning whatever it takes. And yeah, like,
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I'm sure there's still some some hurt feelings when they
lost to the Eagles and he didn't play Malcolm Butler
and it was in the name of culture and doing
the right thing for the team, and they got back
and won the Super Bowl next year. But but I'm
sure there's some there's some Brady feeling like we all
we needed was one stop to beat the Eagles and
we couldn't get it because our top cover corner only
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played one play Like that that doesn't sit well with me.
So I actually see both sides to it. Is Russell
Wilson taking shots at his coaching staff. By now next,
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is called coward talking about Russell Wilson saying he wants
the team to play like every quarter is the fourth quarter.
Thank god, Russell Wilson is the best trailing quarterback in
the league. Last year, trailing late at half after halftime,
h Russell Wilson had nineteen touchdowns one pick in a
hundred and ten passer rating. He's great trailing. Most quarterbacks
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are not great trailing. I mean even Aaron Rodgers trailing
his his passer ratings like in the high eighties. Russell
Wilson's is one ten and Aaron Rodgers has a star
back and a star wide receiver in a better role
line and Aaron's great. But this goes to prove that
the truth always eventually comes out. You just have to
be patient. For years and years, it was, oh, Pete Carroll,
the leads in the doom at such a great operation,
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and I kept saying, Russell Wilson's leading this. This is
not a Pete Carroll thing. I like Pete, but Pete
got fired twice in the NFL and was seven and nine,
seven and nine in Seattle, and Russell for the first
time is coming out and saying, you'd be nice if
we didn't trail at half and have kind of a
middling game plan. In fact, listen to this stat Wilson
is twelfth in the NFL last four years in passing
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attempts on the first three quarters. Twelve you have Russell
Wilson and you're twelfth in passing attempts. Now fourth quarter
and over time he's top three. Because then Seattle didn't
have a choice. He has to save them because they're trailing.
So the truth eventually comes out. Doug Gottlieb Show here
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on Fox Sports Radio. Um, look, I think what Russell
Wilson is saying is what we all say when we
watched the Seahawks play while they just played like that
the whole game, right, Just let him back there and
let him run around and let him do his thing.
You know who's the best person to ask, Dan Buyer,
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he's a Seahawks fan. I actually think what Russell Wilson
is saying plays right to what fans think all the time,
like why not just run lover Russell Wilson do his
thing in the first three quarters, like you do his
thing in the fourth quarter. Yeah, they tried that a
couple of years ago, and then they got beat by
Denver and the Chicago Bears, two teams that were uh
not better than they were. And then when they committed
to the running games, Yeah, they set everything up. They
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pound you with body blows, body bows, body bows, body
bowls the whole game. They shortened the game, they played
their defense, they played a Russell Wilson making place on
third down. Then in a close game in the game,
they go like, all right, Russell, now I can go
win it for us. That's what they do. Whereas if
you haven't try and win it the entire game, it
doesn't work as well. Absolutely, the three highest passer rating
seasons in Russell Wilson's career have been in seasons where
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the Seahawks were the top five in rushing. And this
is there. When the Seahawks lost a couple of years
ago to the Cowboys in a wild card game, there's
a lot of criticism that they stuck to the run,
too much. But that's what got you there. I I
just that team is not built to get into shootouts.
Maybe once in a while, yeah, but you're not gonna
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win all of those games. Um yeah, I just I
don't know, I just it. It doesn't make sense to me.
It really. It's weird. It's like, I've Russell Wilson's an
awesome football player. I have no problem with him as
a football player, but I think he's he he so
wants to be well liked. It's it's almost painful between
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the A limited unlimited last week and this week doing
what I'm that classic kind of fans stuff where you
just like why we need to play all four cores
like it's the fourth all other three coers like it's
the fourth code whatever he said. We're just going like what, dude,
what are you even talking about? They can and they
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don't have a defense that can stop teams like they
once had. They get zero pressure on the quarterback, so
what's the point in getting a shootout? So then you
have to put your defense back out of the field
so they can you know, get picked apart. Yeah yeah,
I mean it all. What all he needs to say
is like, hey, look I get it. It looks crazy
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sometimes and you know our games are close, but you
know what, it's worked, worked for a long time. It's
going to continu ne new work, like you may say,
And even if you don't like the play calls, you're like, hey, Pete,
fans may not like the play, there's a reason we're
doing what we're doing. We pay the best in the
business to figure out what's the best way to win.
And you know, we're basically, you know, one play away
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from winning the NFC West last year, we're at the
we're at the knocking at the door. And I mean, frankly,
he screwed it up, right, is that often screwed it up?
Otherwise they would have. So I just I think it's
this needless desire to be well liked and to be
seen to be fond upon by fans. And I don't
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I don't actually get it because he's a really good
quarterback that's really well respected. I don't think he's Aaron Rodgers.
I I just think Aaron Rodgers better. But Rogers doesn't
care about being liked. Russell Wilson cares way too much
about being liked. There was another quote as part of
what Russell Wilson said as well, of the oh at
half and a lot of that is or when when
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they're leading at at the half, a lot of that
is because they're running the football or the team is
maybe beaten down in the second half. That's why, Doug,
It's why when Alabama plays like it's so funny because
Alabama may play I don't know, Mississippi State or you know, uh,
Kentucky or somebody, and they'll they'll play and they will
be like ten seven and a half or thirteen to seven,
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something like that, and then at the end of the
third quarter it's ten. Then at the end of the game,
guess what, it's forty five to seventeen. You know, it's
just because you wear you wear them down. And that's
kind of what the Seahawks recipe is them getting in
a shootout. Doesn't that that fifty six to nothing o
stad has nothing to do with them scoring a bunch
of points. It's how they're setting up the game. Correct, correct,
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And And my point has always been, um, you know
is that my my My point has always been that
like whatever you discuss inside your locker room doesn't matter
to the common fan. All you need to have is support, right,
they're the best, and then they'll say, no, he's the best.
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No you're the best. No you're the best. No, you're
the best. That's all you need to say. Okay, that's
all you need to decide um, But it's it. We had.
You and I had this discussion I think last offseason,
which is, I don't know why we operate under this
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premise that the Seahawks and their front office can build
a winner and then not build a winner again. Like
what like you were? You were? You were only great
at evaluating mid round draft picks once or for a
couple of years, and now you're not. Now if you
want to tell me that, one of the things that
helped Pete Carroll when he first got to the NFL
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was he had recruited or played against all the top
level guys, so he knew who really could play. That's fair.
That did give them an advantage, absolutely did. But to me,
like if John Snyder and Pete Carroll can build one
tremendous defense and historically great defense like the Legion of Boom,
why don't we have faith that they can build it again?
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I've always and it's the same thing with Russell Wilson,
the play calling. If if they've been able to get
to multiple Super Bowls, if they've been able to put
them in the playoffs year after year after year, why
is there Why wouldn't you think that they can do
it again and figure out the formula for the personnel
they have based upon the team they play against, that
can do it again. That makes that makes sense there? Right? Again,
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these are all congrue in arguments, right, guys, aren't just
good evaluators for five years and then all of a
sudden they forget how to evaluate a player? That doesn't
That doesn't jibe with me. Two NBA players are already
all time grades, but what happens next will determine their legacy.
And last night proved it. I will prove it to
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and of course the three Now podcast, the FORMERFL scout
um and we'll talk NFL with him in a second. John,
I want I want to actually start with what I
began the show with. And you're the perfect guy because
you're in northern California. I kind of feel like because
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the nets are fun and pretty good without Kyrie and
k d and maybe this is more on Kyrie than
it is on k d Um. I feel like, and
I think the Warriors, as much as I do, believe
there's another run in them, maybe not another historic run
in them, but another run in them. Like, those guys
are still gonna be good when they come back. We'll
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see if they'll be championship level great because the league
has evolved and maybe caught up to them in some aspects.
But I feel like their legacy is said because they
want a championship and won seventy three games and back
to back years before winning two championships with k D.
I feel like Kadi and Kyrie's legacies are very much
up in the air. And how it goes with Brooklyn
next year specifically, um maybe a huge deciding factor and
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how we look at them long after they retired. I
would agree, but I'd say that Katie's a little more
in cement, you know, because Steph had been the back
to back m v P and he came here and
he was the best player in the world and Steph
was still damn good and Clay became a star kind
of with them. So it was like, to me, Kevin
is just a different animal, right to me, Kyrie kind
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of a unique cat because when he's on No. One
can stop him. What do he had that game this
year where he scored like sixty and he didn't miss
you know, I mean he used to give the Warriors
the business. And when they won the championship, remember those
final three games. I think game five and six and
he scored forty and both of them. Uhha. But but
to me, Kevin is like a different dude. He can be,
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you know, just kind of introverted at times, negative or whatever,
but people like him. You know. I even when Draymond
snapped at him, it wasn't because he doesn't like him.
It was just because he wouldn't commit to the team.
And Draymond and Steph and Clay like those guys are
all in guys. Uh. Kyrie is kind of, it felt like,
at times, like a bad guy, like treated just random
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coaches and players poorly like Kevin never got that rap.
I don't. I wouldn't parallel them at all. But there
is gonna be a lot of pressure on these two
because you had a good tweet last night. It's like,
why does every time Kyrie disappears from a squad they
just play like legitimate basketball? I mean, it's time, it's
tried and true formula now yeah, um are we like
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some people seem to be falling for this trap. But
it's like the argument you make about Damian Lillard. If
we believe that about Lillard being well, now he's one
of the greatest players in the league, right, that becomes true.
But the Son's becoming a league team because they're eight No, right, Like,
it's a small sample size. He's been awesome, Let's not
take away from it. But we've also seen him anytime
we've seen him in the playoffs against Steph, step has
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been better. Right, Like you can like really really really
good or even great and then superstar and there's a
difference between the two. Or do you believe that he's
evolved and he's taking his his talent to a different level. Yeah,
I know, just knowing a couple of guys around the
Warriors and just watching the way their their players talk,
including Kevin, like they have immense respect for Dame and
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they don't really respect that many guys in the league
because they have destroyed everybody, you know for five years.
To me, he's on the short list with Kauai and
like Lebron of the guys that they just know, Like,
is I mean the legitimate guy because he always torches
the Warriors. To me, his issue is like, yeah, they
play no defense. Well, I mean Steph a big part
of stepfause he's got Draymond and Clay next to him.
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Imagine if instead of having c J, Dame's right hand
man was like Paul George or just you know, some
equivalent to Clay in that realm, I think there would
be a lot better on defense. Like to me, Dame,
it ain't Dames Like Dame is what he is, but
it's not like step is some lockdown Jason Kidd defender. Right.
So to me, I was thinking about this today going
for a job. Why would you entertain and I know
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he's banged up right now, is a bad back. Why
wouldn't you trade c J this offseason if you could?
I know he makes a lot of money now and
try to get like that type player you know, you know,
I don't know, you know better. It's like because Ben
Simmons a fit, you know, just a guy, just a
more defensive minded, longer guy like that, to me is
what they've always been missing why they could never match
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up to the Warriors. One Dame again consistently scores like
forty to fifty against peak Warriors teams. It was just
they could play no defense. Well he doesn't. He also
doesn't play a ton of No he doesn't, but he does.
But I just think they just need to surround him
with more guys like that and given themselves a chance
because he's he's definitely elite offensively, right with the top
of the line guys. Yeah, CJ has c J only
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has one year left I think on his deal. I
thought they gave him a big extension last year. They
knows I was a couple of years ago. Um, and
it was a four year, a hundred and six million
dollar deal and they have the bird rights. He's a
free agent at the end of next season. See it's
it's it's interesting. It would be it would be incredibly bold. Um.
I don't the problem, Simmons is nobody just about I understand. No. No,
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I mean, like yeah, I mean at some point you
go like, look, this is the ceiling. And you know
whereas last time when they had LaMarcus Aldridge, they lost
in the free agency and then they had that season
where you know, they were a little bit better than
people thought after LaMarcus Aldridge, but they couldn't keep him.
You know, they're there because they've been shunned before by
stars who have left. They're more prone to overpay to
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keep the guys that they have and and feel closer
to them and and try and use it as some
sort of loyalty. So it's a great question. I think
it would depend upon the guy, the contract, and how
Damian Lillar would would would feel with him, right, So
I really think the NBA could just use more dames
in the sense of star players that are passionate about
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where they're playing. And you and I have talked about
this off the radio, Like, clearly he likes basketball. What
do you say last night after the game, Like, you know,
I've watched in that team like four times since he's
been here. How many guys in the bubble have actually
been watching the games? Right? I think I think a
good portion. I think it's it's like, look, it's like
it's almost like it gets back to your roots, right,
Like if you're a ball guy, like you get back
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You're like, man, it's like this is like the greatest
day of you tournament ever. We can always get in
the gym. It's only us, you know, you know you go,
you take the bus to the game, you come back,
and it's just about you can watch any game you watch,
it's about basketball. Like I I do think that the
guys that have not grown past that almost childhood infatuation
with the sport are are some of the ones that
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are more locked in because of it, where there are
other guys that just basketball. I mean, Chris has had
a good bubble, you know, he he likes basketball. Yes, yes, yes,
it also says a little bit something about what's going
on in their home lives normally, like in terms of distraction,
like well, how come you're not this good all the time?
When I got wife, I got kids. But Damian Lillard,
it's like you guys got rap career, you know when
you when you cut away and you got all this
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time for it. Uh, it's fascat all. Right, let's get
the football. Um, college football wise, what's your reaction to
half the college football big time teams are playing half
of them or not? You know, not surprising. I think
the Big Ten and definitely the Pact twelve, their school
presidents just view themselves as world leaders, you know, I
mean the academics in the Pac twelve. Definitely come first,
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and I think just watching from Afar, the Big ten
views themselves the same. So the SEC you know, say
what you want, like football comes first, like it's it's
a way of life, and the Big twelve you know,
you know better than me. But it sure feels like
especially the big boys like Oklahoma, Oklahoma State Texas, like
it's athletics are a big deal, and the boosters that
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pay for it, you know, have a lot of poll
Like out here, the boosters have some poll. But I
mean we've seen over the years with USC, it's actually
a little more complicated than it is with some of
the other school like in the South, it's pretty black
and white, like if they're gonna play and they're gonna try.
I was think the coaches have a lot more juice,
like what Nick Saban says on campus or now Eddioh
or you know, Kirby Smart, you know, back in the
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heyday of like Spurrier and some of these Bobby Bowden
in the a SECS rules like that matters, Like no
one cares what the football coach says that U c
l A. I mean you know that. I mean it's
just did a cow Jesin Wilcox Day whatever he wants,
nobody cares, and I just think it's just uh priorities
and just they care a lot about football. I don't
know if it's right or wrong. We're gonna find out,
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but I commend them for trying. Um. I saw this
on Twitter, like the Big twelve or I mean, the
Big Ten is gonna have students on campus, but they
can't play football and they they can play inner murals. Yeah,
I mean I've seen enough, Like I saw Iowa signing
some petition. I listen, the kids want to play, their
parents wanted to play, and clearly the coaches like it
sure doesn't seem like Ryan Day and Kirk Ferrence and
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Jim Harbaugh are agreeing with its decision. Right, It's not
like some of you. They're all petrified over the and
rightfully so, over the vir No, well, the virus didn't
go to your heart and the litigation and the potential
for you know, lung damage again. But but my thing
is like, look, you're actually and this is where Trevor
Lawrence was echoing something that I've said on this show
for a couple of months, which is, I understand if
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you think you're going home to a bubble right, and
never going outside, and you're constantly gonna be monitored. Fine,
but you're not. You're going home and you're a college kid.
You're not gonna want to hang home with your parents.
You're gonna want to work out. All these things are
inherently more dangerous, more likely to catch COVID, and you
won't be monitored by a team doctor. And if you
do get it, after you you're not gonna get m
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r S after you're done. Right, like all this stuff,
all of this, all of this life will still take place,
only you won't have the oversight of college football coaches
and all of the resources given to you. Here here's
what I listen. I'm not a doctor, but that you know,
the heart starts with the damn the big the Big
ten made kind of an issue with wouldn't that be
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an issue then in the NFL because it clearly I
haven't read one time that that has come up, that
that potential heart disease that can you know, carry over
if you get corona in you know, especially for bigger people. Right,
uh right, So I clearly the SEC has the biggest
people going and they haven't flinched, and they have and
if you see. I think Alabama reported that they've been
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testing everyone coming back on campus and they've had pretty
good results. And it's not even talking football players and
just talking to students. So I just think it's a
fundamental different way to look at the way to operate.
When I think about the SEC, when I think about
the Big Twelve, I just think very very aggressive. And
I think when I think the Big Ten and definitely
the Pack twelve, I I just first thing, I think
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that maybe the Big Ten is a little bit different
like Ohio State, but still like academics kind of come
first and just that academic mindset. You know how many
people in business would like be good friends with school presidents,
like that's just not their type guy. And these guys
aren't businessmen, but they are, like you said, they are
very risk adverse and they want to avoid this. And
clearly that if it was five kids total in the
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conference that had that hard issue, that's enough to scare
those type people. Where Nick saban, that's just not gonna
make him flinch, right or wrong. Um, two tight ends
get paid there, two of the elite tight ends and
not the two best tight ends in football. I think
most people love Kittle more than like kell in terms
of the fact that Kittle blocks and Kelsey doesn't um.
(12:06):
And then you know, comparison wise, pass catching wise, I
think Kelly Kelsey is a little bit better. But I
obviously bow to your knowledge. What what changed in terms
of their salaries? It does feel like the NFL for
a long time had suppressed the tight end salaries. Is
it because these two are elite guys or is this
a trend that that others will follow. Well. I think
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Kittle was in this weird spot. The tight ends have
always just been really they were the lowest paid, highest
paid player at their position, Like the highest paid tight
end was less than the highest paid guard. And I
think Kittle was at the point where they were going
to start padded practices, I think on Saturday, and there
were rumors like he was not going to practice. So
(12:50):
Mike Tannebomb tweeted this a while ago. The new holdout
is a hold in, like you show up but because
you're not gonna work out. Yeah, yeah, You're just not
gonna do anything because you're not gonna, you know, risk it.
And Kindle is the best player on the team on
a team that went won fifteen games, last year, So
you know, I don't think he wanted to go the
Aaron Donald Khalil Mack. He's not Jamal Adams. He wasn't
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gonna because he likes he loves Kyle and John drafted him.
He like, he likes playing here. But it was like,
he's not gonna sign Austin Hooper money, so you were
gonna have to meet him. Like to me, like Marie,
I understand, you get paid on positions, just like real estate,
like you get paid on where you live and you know,
based on like what blocked for your house, But like,
how could George Kittle? To me, he should be much
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closer to a Marie Cooper than Austin Hooper. And I
still think the deal that he signed, like every team
in the league was signed for that contract. I mean,
he's one of the best players in the league and
he makes forty million total unguaranteed money, like we talked
about boast of last week makes two because George Kittle
makes sixty two million dollars and guaranteed dollars less. So
it's just it's an all time undervalued position still even
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though it's a quote unquote historic deal. And then just
you know, knowing the guys in Kansas City, they just
love Kelsey. I mean Andy, he loves throwing the ball,
and Kelsey's probably gonna go down. I mean, besides, like
Tony Gonzalez, I mean, he's got a chance, if he
can stay healthy, he's next three or four years one
of the greatest pass catching tight ends of all time.
I mean, he has two catches the last two years.
I don't see why that's got to slow down. Playing
with the quarterback he's got, right, Yeah, let let me
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play for you. Something Joe Montana said to us, I
take a listen, Well, my guesses don't give him a
little bit of opportunity in the offense to to do
things that they did. Um. I think that was one
of his piece up there. He told me that, you know,
they asked my advice, I tell him, and then that
they don't uh so. UM. I think he would like
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a little bit of input, and I think they'll probably
let him have that, especially with the success he's had.
What do you think was that? Tom and Belichick? I
mean not shocking, I mean Belichick, it's just kind of
his show, even though it's kind of crazy when you
hear it, when you think about other great quarterbacks that
are just you. When you think Peyton Manning, you think
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it's the complete opposite. Right, what he said goes he
basically was the offensive coordinator. I think Tom had earned
the right by the end, and I would imagine like
Josh was in this weird spot right kind of the intermediary,
but it was never really his call. And that's the
thing with Bill, like he doesn't technically call the offense
the defense of the special teams, but really does, Like
you don't call a play without it going through his head.
(15:23):
He can he can x anything. And you know clearly
their relationship, you know, Bill and Tom, which is just
human nature, right when you've been together that long, um,
and they just went through some weird stuff and it
kind of feels like I got a little weird after
the Flate Gate. But I don't think Tom just had
these thoughts the last couple of years. It's probably the
last decade. But when you're winning and you're that famous
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and you're winning Super Bowls and you're Tom Brady, I
think he just kind of deal with it, and maybe
it's easier. It clearly was easier for him to just
kind of draw a line in the Sandy's forty two
years old, forty three. You know, it's like you'll take
stuff when think about what you would do when you
were thirty, you can't imagine doing when you're forty, you know.
I bet it's just it was easy for him, though,
we'll see how easy it actually goes, especially with this
(16:07):
crazy year, Like it actually might be kind of hard,
you know, giving this new offense, given what they're trying
to implement, like him and Bruce trying to get on
the same page. It's probably gonna be a little bit
work in progress. But I mean, at the end of
the day, they have a lot more talent than he
did the last year in New England. No, no, no
question about it. Uh last thing that got live show
here on Fox Sports Radio. You talk a lot of
raiders on your pod. What I've I've been asking people this,
(16:30):
what is it that Derek carrs missing? Just knowing people
on the staff over the years, Like he has the
physical tools and we saw it that year when he
was in the m v P mix. Since he's been
banged up, they'll always say, like in practice, he'll just
be slinging around, slinging around. But as we know, in football,
you gotta red jersey and practice you never get hit
(16:51):
and in the games, and I think Sando wrote it
in his piece on the on the tiers. He just
won't pull the trigger sometimes, like when he starts getting
rattled hit. If it's all good, he's fine. And I
think sometimes he thinks too much about people coming at
him because he's been hurt, you know, he's had like
legitimate injury, shattered his ankle, broke his back, and I
think it just it just gets in his head. And
(17:12):
last year, I know statistically was good, but I've been
watching him since high school. I just actually didn't think
he played that well the majority of the like winning football,
winning place in the second half against good teams. I'm
not even talking about like throwing the ball in the
ground on fourth down when you're down twenty like that
that's stupid, But like I'm talking more in a tie
game in the third quarter, just taking a dump sack
(17:36):
or throwing a pick six. And it's just this is
a big year for him, man. I mean, they draft
an elite receiver in the top fifteen, they draft a
couple of more guys. They gotta star running back, you know,
Gruden's nuts and he's given Derek a long leash right now,
this is what Gruden's third year like, that's that's a
long time to have a quarterback that you didn't draft
or sign and you have it one yet. So I
(17:57):
would say, especially given the power of the Vegas and
what they're gonna try to win, like they better be
in the playoff. Nix. Just look at his contract. I
saw today. He I saw Gruden had a quote Mariota,
look damn good. It's like, I don't think you're just
throwing that out randomly, right. It might be a little
Phil Jackson mind games with the starting quarterback Middlecoff. Great stuff. Dude,
(18:19):
Yeah you took a job. Are you playing golf this weekend? Yeah?
I'm headed out right now. You know it's a hundred
and five degrees. That means no one's on the course.
Guess yourself. I actually I like playing golf. It's hot.
I love it. It's like, you know, golfing, you don't
really you get a sweat, except when you play when
it's hot and there's nobody out there and the ball
runs a little bit further, so you're like, man, I
really crushed that drive and He's like, no, it just
rolls a lot further because everything is everything is dry
(18:42):
for sure, golf baseball deserved to be played in the heat.
There you go, John Middlecoff joining us three Ounce of podcast.
Thanks so much, John Weekend. It's been the perfect storm
for this NBA player to rise to superstardom. I'll tell
you who that is next. Be sure to catch the
live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three
p m. Easter a Noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
(19:02):
in the heart Radio Whap Doug Allam Show, Fox Sports Radio.
Do you guys know what a north easter is? Ramos?
You know? Nor north easter is? I believe it's when
two fronts meet together at one point to make a
bigger than life storm, a wicked, wicked, wicked awesome storm.
Wi it awesome? Is that kind of right? Yes, there's
(19:25):
one other element that that's missing. Buy or do you
want to help out? Are you familiar with the nor easter? Um? Know? What?
What did John say? Two front two fronts meet together? Yes?
Isn't in a snow storm? Yes, can be a snow show,
can also be a rainstorm as well, but yes, typically Okay,
so so when a when a when a when a
storm kind of goes through right in like the northeast
(19:47):
part of the countries where nor Easter usually not easta
where it usually occurs. You know, you get what's called
a dusting, and dusting in New england's like sixt eight inches, right,
that's like a dusting. You know, some snow will clean
it off, we'll clean the roads will be fine. Anarista,
you can get twenty four forty eight inches in a day,
just dumped. And what happens is you get what's called
(20:07):
an Alberta clipper. That's a low pressure system that comes
from Canada, super cold, and then you get a low
pressure system from the contiguous in the United States, like
comes over Iowa in the Midwest, and they meet, they merge.
But here's the one thing you missed, John, is there's
a high pressure system that will get parked off of
the off of the coast of New England right right
in the Cape Caud area, right, it's right there in
(20:29):
the Cape cart And so the storms instead of just
coming through, they get stuck and they churn and churn
and turn and churn and churn, and thirty inches of
snow is on your lawn the next day. That's a
narista and some might describe it as the perfect stime. Right,
(20:49):
that's what's happened, frankly with Phoenix or with with Portland's
right with with Portland. Portland was massively underachieving all season long,
some because Damian Lillard wasn't consistently as good as he
could have been, but some because they had lost Zach
(21:12):
Collins and Nurkics for the season. You lose your two,
you're starting four, you're starting five. Um. You combine that
with Gary Trent, who's kind of coming to his own
is just a rookie. So rookies get like an offseason
and this is their second year. You get Nurkics and
Collins back. You get as much as Carmeno Anthony has
(21:34):
been hit or miss, he's getting a chance to play.
Because you've got Collins back, you got a chance to
play him summit small forward, not just a power forward
where he could have a little bit more of a mismatch.
He's also not called on as much to make as
many plays. And then you get a heater from you know,
from a guy like a Damian Lillard, and not every
team they've played against has brought their top guys either, right, Um,
(21:59):
some of it has been drawn. I mean the other
night when he went for sixty one against the Mavericks,
he's going right at Perzingis, who's just a horrific defensive
just horrific. Their strategy was bad and and Perzingis was bad.
Combined it was awful defensively, so you know, and then
there's also some kind of preseason football element of we're
(22:20):
waiting for sports to come back, so we're watching and
the numbers just pop out at us, and we go
like all of this stuff together, and you're like, mouth,
Damian Lillard is amazing, He's great, He's been great. I'm
not here to defame Damian Lillard to go forty one
and three consecutive games, okay, But there's a lot of
(22:41):
other kind of stuff at play. You know, two fronts,
high pressure system which allows it to be the perfect storm, right,
and and we do this, I mean we do this
in football. How many times I've been watching usually the
second preseason game and the rookie quarterback comes out Daniel
(23:03):
Jones last year, right, perfect preseason, Like, oh my god,
Daniel Jones is amazing. Everybody missed on him. I mean,
how many how many preseason superstars have we seen? We're like, well,
you know, I don't I don't want to take this
preseason seriously, but man, do they look good? I know
I I they always say like, I know it's preseason,
(23:23):
but man, Chad Henny was throwing that pill around, I mean,
playing Gabbett was emerging. Be sure to catch the live
edition of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three
p m. Easter noon Pacific. This was Joe Montana talking
about Tom Brady's decision to leave New England. Well, my
guesses don't give him a little bit of opportunity in
(23:46):
the offense to do things that they did. Um. I
think that was one of his piefa there. He told
me that, you know, they asked my advice, I tell him,
and then they don't do any So, UM, I think
he would like a little bit of the input and
I think they'll probably let him have that, especially with
the success he's had. Doug gotlip show here on Fox
(24:07):
Sports Radio. All right, So it basically says like, hey,
Tom Brady had no say in New England, none, no say.
You know, it's interesting. I don't know what he was
referring to until I talked to Charles Robinson yesterday. This
was interesting. It is Charles Robinson from Yahoo Sports. He
had this to say about Brady being unhappy with the Patriots.
(24:30):
He was upset about Antonio Brown, Like he really was
upset that that they just washed their hands of Antonio Brown,
particularly because Tom was such a big part of getting
him in there, getting him on the right page, accepting him,
like I mean, Brady brought him into his home, like
all these different things, and then you know, the Patriots
pulled the plug and and frankly, you know, Tom's pretty cutthroat,
(24:51):
and I think part of his thought process was you
just took a wig. I could have been the difference
from like you know, and then he sat there and
you saw they struggled offensively. I think that was part
of it. Mm hmm, Well, the problem with Antonio Brown thing.
And I look, here's Brady's perspective. We've always just been
about winning. Corey Dillon had a bad reputation, came here,
(25:13):
couldn't have been better. Obviously. Aaron Hernandez was a guy
that had a checkered past and a checker tenure. Really
with the Patriots. You didn't know anything about we. We
didn't ask questions. Randy Moss was a guy. I play football.
I play when I want to play right, Like all
of these guys, they had some issues, but when they
but in New England, it was hey, if you want
to be a football player, then this is the place
(25:35):
to come. You want to win, this is the place
to come. It's about winning. And Antonio Brown was supposedly
great at practice and about winning. The problem with Antonio
Brown is one the timing with you know, the owner's
massage parlor, parlor antics from the off season before right
like we there there, there's something there and then and
(25:59):
I said at the time on this show, like it
wasn't a day that went by without there being a
new Antonio Brown issue. It wasn't like there was one
thing like you know, he refused to take a breathalyzer
and a d U I we don't know if he
was drunk or g was just you know he had
he said he had a glass of wine and was like, no, no,
it wasn't even it was about violence against women, violence,
(26:22):
you know, using kind of social media and the media
to go after this other woman. There was all these
different issues, and every day there was something new, and
finally the Patriots, who only had him for like it
was like eleven days, we're like enough. We just we've
had enough. And I understand. Brady is like, look, I
laid I opened my house to this dude, and I
(26:44):
legit like him and he's a great player, and he
was we were that one player away from maybe winning
a Super Bowl and you cut him. Come on, man,
what are we doing here. We're the Patriots. We're about
We're about winning. Winning and only winning is all we're about.
We're about winning and only winning whatever it takes. And yeah, like,
(27:09):
I'm sure there's still some some hurt feelings when they
lost to the Eagles and he didn't play Malcolm Butler
and it was in the name of culture and doing
the right thing for the team, and they got back
and won the Super Bowl next year. But but I'm
sure there's some there's some Brady feeling like we all
we needed was one stop to beat the Eagles and
we couldn't get it because our top cover corner only
(27:31):
played one play Like that that doesn't sit well with me.
So I actually see both sides to it. Is Russell
Wilson taking shots at his coaching staff. By now next,
Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in
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(27:55):
is called coward talking about Russell Wilson saying he wants
the team to play like every quarter is the fourth quarter.
Thank god, Russell Wilson is the best trailing quarterback in
the league. Last year, trailing late at half after halftime,
h Russell Wilson had nineteen touchdowns one pick in a
hundred and ten passer rating. He's great trailing. Most quarterbacks
(28:17):
are not great trailing. I mean even Aaron Rodgers trailing
his his passer ratings like in the high eighties. Russell
Wilson's is one ten and Aaron Rodgers has a star
back and a star wide receiver in a better role
line and Aaron's great. But this goes to prove that
the truth always eventually comes out. You just have to
be patient. For years and years, it was, oh, Pete Carroll,
the leads in the doom at such a great operation,
(28:39):
and I kept saying, Russell Wilson's leading this. This is
not a Pete Carroll thing. I like Pete, but Pete
got fired twice in the NFL and was seven and nine,
seven and nine in Seattle, and Russell for the first
time is coming out and saying, you'd be nice if
we didn't trail at half and have kind of a
middling game plan. In fact, listen to this stat Wilson
is twelfth in the NFL last four years in passing
(29:01):
attempts on the first three quarters. Twelve you have Russell
Wilson and you're twelfth in passing attempts. Now fourth quarter
and over time he's top three. Because then Seattle didn't
have a choice. He has to save them because they're trailing.
So the truth eventually comes out. Doug Gottlieb Show here
(29:21):
on Fox Sports Radio. Um, look, I think what Russell
Wilson is saying is what we all say when we
watched the Seahawks play while they just played like that
the whole game, right, Just let him back there and
let him run around and let him do his thing.
You know who's the best person to ask, Dan Buyer,
(29:43):
he's a Seahawks fan. I actually think what Russell Wilson
is saying plays right to what fans think all the time,
like why not just run lover Russell Wilson do his
thing in the first three quarters, like you do his
thing in the fourth quarter. Yeah, they tried that a
couple of years ago, and then they got beat by
Denver and the Chicago Bears, two teams that were uh
not better than they were. And then when they committed
to the running games, Yeah, they set everything up. They
(30:05):
pound you with body blows, body bows, body bows, body
bowls the whole game. They shortened the game, they played
their defense, they played a Russell Wilson making place on
third down. Then in a close game in the game,
they go like, all right, Russell, now I can go
win it for us. That's what they do. Whereas if
you haven't try and win it the entire game, it
doesn't work as well. Absolutely, the three highest passer rating
seasons in Russell Wilson's career have been in seasons where
(30:29):
the Seahawks were the top five in rushing. And this
is there. When the Seahawks lost a couple of years
ago to the Cowboys in a wild card game, there's
a lot of criticism that they stuck to the run,
too much. But that's what got you there. I I
just that team is not built to get into shootouts.
Maybe once in a while, yeah, but you're not gonna
(30:50):
win all of those games. Um yeah, I just I
don't know, I just it. It doesn't make sense to me.
It really. It's weird. It's like, I've Russell Wilson's an
awesome football player. I have no problem with him as
a football player, but I think he's he he so
wants to be well liked. It's it's almost painful between
(31:12):
the A limited unlimited last week and this week doing
what I'm that classic kind of fans stuff where you
just like why we need to play all four cores
like it's the fourth all other three coers like it's
the fourth code whatever he said. We're just going like what, dude,
what are you even talking about? They can and they
(31:33):
don't have a defense that can stop teams like they
once had. They get zero pressure on the quarterback, so
what's the point in getting a shootout? So then you
have to put your defense back out of the field
so they can you know, get picked apart. Yeah yeah,
I mean it all. What all he needs to say
is like, hey, look I get it. It looks crazy
(31:55):
sometimes and you know our games are close, but you
know what, it's worked, worked for a long time. It's
going to continu ne new work, like you may say,
And even if you don't like the play calls, you're like, hey, Pete,
fans may not like the play, there's a reason we're
doing what we're doing. We pay the best in the
business to figure out what's the best way to win.
And you know, we're basically, you know, one play away
(32:15):
from winning the NFC West last year, we're at the
we're at the knocking at the door. And I mean, frankly,
he screwed it up, right, is that often screwed it up?
Otherwise they would have. So I just I think it's
this needless desire to be well liked and to be
seen to be fond upon by fans. And I don't
(32:36):
I don't actually get it because he's a really good
quarterback that's really well respected. I don't think he's Aaron Rodgers.
I I just think Aaron Rodgers better. But Rogers doesn't
care about being liked. Russell Wilson cares way too much
about being liked. There was another quote as part of
what Russell Wilson said as well, of the oh at
half and a lot of that is or when when
(32:59):
they're leading at at the half, a lot of that
is because they're running the football or the team is
maybe beaten down in the second half. That's why, Doug,
It's why when Alabama plays like it's so funny because
Alabama may play I don't know, Mississippi State or you know, uh,
Kentucky or somebody, and they'll they'll play and they will
be like ten seven and a half or thirteen to seven,
(33:20):
something like that, and then at the end of the
third quarter it's ten. Then at the end of the game,
guess what, it's forty five to seventeen. You know, it's
just because you wear you wear them down. And that's
kind of what the Seahawks recipe is them getting in
a shootout. Doesn't that that fifty six to nothing o
stad has nothing to do with them scoring a bunch
of points. It's how they're setting up the game. Correct, correct,
(33:42):
And And my point has always been, um, you know
is that my my My point has always been that
like whatever you discuss inside your locker room doesn't matter
to the common fan. All you need to have is support, right,
they're the best, and then they'll say, no, he's the best.
(34:03):
No you're the best. No you're the best. No, you're
the best. That's all you need to say. Okay, that's
all you need to decide um, But it's it. We had.
You and I had this discussion I think last offseason,
which is, I don't know why we operate under this
(34:23):
premise that the Seahawks and their front office can build
a winner and then not build a winner again. Like
what like you were? You were? You were only great
at evaluating mid round draft picks once or for a
couple of years, and now you're not. Now if you
want to tell me that, one of the things that
helped Pete Carroll when he first got to the NFL
(34:44):
was he had recruited or played against all the top
level guys, so he knew who really could play. That's fair.
That did give them an advantage, absolutely did. But to me,
like if John Snyder and Pete Carroll can build one
tremendous defense and historically great defense like the Legion of Boom,
why don't we have faith that they can build it again?
(35:05):
I've always and it's the same thing with Russell Wilson,
the play calling. If if they've been able to get
to multiple Super Bowls, if they've been able to put
them in the playoffs year after year after year, why
is there Why wouldn't you think that they can do
it again and figure out the formula for the personnel
they have based upon the team they play against, that
can do it again. That makes that makes sense there? Right? Again,
(35:28):
these are all congrue in arguments, right, guys, aren't just
good evaluators for five years and then all of a
sudden they forget how to evaluate a player? That doesn't
That doesn't jibe with me. Two NBA players are already
all time grades, but what happens next will determine their legacy.
And last night proved it. I will prove it to
you next in the Dugout the Show Fox Sports Radio
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