September 2, 2020 • 48 mins
Doug Gottlieb in for Colin
Kirk Cousins isn't saying what you think
The possibility of the Big 10 playing this season
The Saints were playing chicken with Alvin Kamara
Jimmy G is better than Dak Prescott
Guest: Jeff Benedict
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This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowher
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I am Doug Gottlieb going in for Colin Calherd and
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listening to the show. We got a lot to get
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to the Nuggets meet the Jazz last night. And while
that's probably not gonna be the most watched series or
when a lot watched Game seven, it was very telling
and um, I think you know what we saw last
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night does play into the rest of the NBA playoffs. Also,
it's why there's an alarming stat about j James Harden
as he gets ready for Game seven tonight. It's not
just about his Game seven stats in the past. It's
his fourth quarter in overtime stats. I'll tell you what
I believe is behind that. Um. Jeff Bennedict's gonna join
us in an hour and a half. He's the author
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of a new book that Believe or Not. Your boy
Collin Coward told me you got to read this book.
He is reading it. It's about the Patriots dynasty, what
many believe is the end of the dynasty, the breakup
of Belichick and Brady. Joe Klatt will join us as
we have renewed energy. Renewed energy in regards to the
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Big Ten possibly playing football this year, you have if
you're listening to us, you're coming off of listening, most
likely to Dan Patrick, also part of our Fox Sports
radio family, who said sources close to him told him
October tenth is the date that they want to play
football by so that the Big Ten can still compete
in the College football Playoff. Again, that doesn't mean it's happening.
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It just means that would be their target day. Um
and in um thirty minutes, Ben Goliver is going to
join us. He is in the bubble, will get his
sense of everything that's at stake tonight for Houston, for
Mike D'Antoni, for James Harden, for Russell Westbrook and oh yeah,
by the way, the Bucks don't want to go down
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two games none like the Toronto Raptors did last night.
But let's start with the NFL. Let's start with Kirk
Cousins right in the Kirk Cousins is the guy who
is most likely, by my estimation, to always say what
would read as the right thing. Right he does that
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odd ge shucks, Doney. It's almost there's a little Russell
Wilson to him as well, where um where it's like,
did did you take a class on PR and somebody
told you this is what you're supposed to say, because
he does have attend see to say what the media
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would most often tell you is the right thing. But
many people in my position are using part of his
quote to partially laugh at him, also laugh at some
of the precautions were taking regards to COVID nineteen, and
they're using it to make a bigger point, which honestly
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he doesn't actually make if you read the whole quote.
All right, it is disingenuous to say that Kirk Cousins
by saying if I die, I die, right, which is
you guys are familiar. It's a famous quote from a movie.
He dies, it does? It does? Um? But what I'm
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going to be okay, even if I die, I die,
I kind of have peace at that. That's what everybody's
talking about, right, people are talking like, So let me
read the quote he was on with Kyle Brandt. KB
is a friend and he's on Good Morning Football. He
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has a pod. On that pod, Kirk Cousins said, I'm
not gonna call anybody stupid for the trouble it could
get me in. But I'm about zero point zero zero
zero one, right, So he is a little bit an
in denial of the actual numbers by anyone's estimation, because
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that's not what the percentages tell you. On the other hand,
if he simply said, hey, there's a very very slight
chance that if I get COVID that I'm going to
get sick enough to actually have to be hospitalized. Whatever. Now, look,
some of this is a reaction to the CDC and
their story that can and their report that came out
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that now need four percent of people who died from
COVID nineteen uh died of core co morbidities. So, in
addition to the fact that he's a professional athlete, he's
in great shape, he doesn't have pre existing health conditions,
all of those, his numbers might be closer to accurate
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than inaccurate. He goes on, I want to respect other
people's concerns, but for me, right, that's the that's his
way of saying, no disrespect. What and when somebody says
no disrespect, what comes out of their mouth the very
next sentence something usually disrespectful. But for me personally. If
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you're talking no one else can get the virus, what
is your concern you could get it, I'd say, I'm
gonna go about my daily life. If I get it,
I'm gonna write it out. I'm gonna let nature do
its course, survival of the fittest kind of approach and
just say, if it knocks me out, it knocks me out,
I'm gonna be okay. Even if I die. I die,
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I kind of have peace for that. That's what everyone's
talking about. That's not the end of the quote. I
guess not. I actually had a text to help my
friends in the media who were slaughtering Kirk Cousins or
laughing at at at people who are protective of COVID
from COVID nineteen whatever. And because there's another part wait,
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he said more, he said more. That's really where I
fall on it. So my opinion on wearing masks is
it's really about being respectful to other people. It has
nothing to do with my personal thoughts. Wait, right, what
kirk Cousins is saying is I'm not a high risk.
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I'm not a low risk. I am a very very
minimal risk. But you don't wear a mask simply because
yourself you wear a mask because by his estimation, Okay,
it's about being respectful. The truth is, it's a little
bit more about being respectful. It's about not wanting to
spread it to somebody who may have uh, some underlying
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health issues, somebody who's elderly or in cousin's case, his kids. Now.
Is he totally educated on the virus? No, Sometimes education
is is a very good thing. Sometimes partial education is
not this. There's a lot to this, right, like the
Big Ten. It feels like overreacted to being really well
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educated on it because there was a report that it's
not reports the statistics that show you can and you
can contract my ocarditis if you get COVID nineteen and
an athlete my ocarditis can cause sudden death. No one
wants that for anyone, let alone for an athlete representing
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a university. But what if you read part of the quote,
it feels like he's telling you it's not even as
rough on your body as the flu. That's what people
who want to believe that it's some sort of media creation.
Oh it's five G cell phone towers only right, You've
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you heard that one like you heard all the different
he's saying, I don't think it's gonna affect me, and
if it does, I'm gonna ride it out. And then
he does the fake bravery thing. If I die, I die.
But he goes back and essentially says, I'm gonna wear
a mask because it's not about me. It's about everybody else,
which is exactly how you should take it. Exactly how
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you should take it. You've gotta take it seriously and
be a little bit over precautious. And maybe you don't
value your own health or maybe you think I'm healthy
as a horse. I'm gonna be fine, but it's not
about you. It's about everybody. Simple wear a mask and
we get everything back. It's not that hard. But we're
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doing that thing we do in the media. This is
not a youth thing. This is an US thing. This
is me talking group. Talk to everybody, who I work with,
who I've worked for, I've worked at three different places.
We do it. Some of it we do because you
don't have the attention span you know to listen to
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U two quotes in totality. Some of it we do
because it doesn't make a good headline. A lot of
it we do because we see gotcha moments, and we
just want to pound the gotcha moments, play the hits.
But that doesn't make it right, my colin tweeted out
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earlier today, you mean to tell me a guy essentially,
You mean to tell me a guy that gets try
that you know puts himself in harm's way in football,
is scared of a virus like he gets it. But again,
that's only of the quote. The rest of the quote
is accurate, which is and it's not really about me,
it's about everybody else, essentially, Kirk Cousins saying, I don't
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know if masks work or if they don't work. I
don't think I'm really gonna get sick from it, but
I'll wear the damn mask so that everybody else feels good. Fine,
I don't care why you wear it. You can wear
it to be sarcastic. You can wear it to be cautious,
you can wear it to be respectful, You could wear
it for a million reasons. Just wear a mask. It's
not that hard. And if you don't have a mask,
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as I lose them all the time pretty much any
place you walk into has them and they're hand it
to you. You couldn't make it any easier for people.
This is like the voting thing, right, Like I love
the fact that we're creating more and more avenues for
people to vote. If you don't vote, like this is
on you. Last presidential election, I was not I was
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not registered to vote. The day of the election, I
registered to vote and voted twice. Kidding on the last part.
But we're gonna, we're gonna half of us are gonna
vilify Kirk Cousins. Half of us are gonna vilify scientists
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and doctors, saying, see Kirk Cousins, professional athlete, smart guy,
not a scientist, not a doctor, definitely not an infectious
disease expert. Actually, just as you know, I don't really
think it's gonna affect me if I get sick, I
get sick, But I'll wear the damn mask because it
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makes everybody else happy. Fine, right, don't care why you
wear it. I don't care, just do it. It's like voting.
I don't care who you vote for, really, don't care.
Just vote. But but this is a good portion, a
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good portion of so many stories having to do with
the pandemic, you know, the Big ten and people's you know,
wanting the Big Ten to play football, and the idea
of the Big Ten presidents being overreactive, overreacted, and that
they had overreacted to a store actually a report from
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real scientists and real doctors about something that could happen
to their athletes. But kirk Cousins was asked to elaborate.
He did. And while he doesn't believe that he could
truthfully get sick or let alone die, because if you did,
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you wouldn't say that, And nor has he really dug
into the idea that, like a good portion of COVID
nineteen and the dangerous respects of it, is not just
whether or not you could die, Like we have this
tendency to go like, well, you didn't die, so you're fine. No,
I mean you can do massive damage to your lungs.
Maybe not Kirk Cousins, but there are people that have
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lingering and will have a life of lung issues from it.
But that's not even the point. The biggest point, most
important point is we're doing that thing that we like
to do in the media, and it's not a you problem,
it's an US problem. We're taking a portion of a
quote making it into an I gotcha moment. Kirk Cousins
doesn't fear the virus. He doesn't want to wear a mask.
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He doesn't think the masks actually work, even though at
the end he essentially says, I'll wear the mask if
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Doug god leaving for Colin. This is the herd. Thanks
so much for making us part of your day. On
a Wednesday hump Day? What day is it? What day
is it? It's hump day? What? What's that great commercial
with the camel? Is another camel hump Day commercial? Right?
Remember we just have jingles? Whatever happened to jingles? Um?
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I saw this story and I thought it was interesting.
Alvin Kamara is expected to practice today with in New Orleans.
Say now tomorrow has been doing the hold in right
the holding is the sleep under of NFL negotiations. You
guys know what to sleep under his Okay, a sleep over.
You go over to somebody's house. You're throwing a movie,
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You get a bunch of snacks, you play video, they
play Fortnite, They text friends, they I G live, they
snapchat everybody. They stay up super super late. They annoy
the hell out of whoever parents have them doing a
sleepover if the parents pay attention to him. If not,
the parents pay no attention, They don't sleep at all.
Then they come back to you the next day crazy, crazy,
cranky and tired. Too much sugar, not enough sleep. They
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end up not liking each other at the end of
the day because somebody no doubt as an early riser
and wake somebody else up. You know, there's the sleepover, right,
I used have sleepovers all the time. Sleepover still exist.
The sleep under sleep under is when this is the
we did this with our kids all the time, which
is you go over to somebody's house, you hang out,
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you swim, you play, you watch play Fortnite, do all
that stuff, and then like o'clock will come pick you
have be sleep in your own house. And then if
you want next morning, We'll take you back over there
and you have breakfast together. Sleep under hold in is Hey,
I want a new contract, but I'm not gonna not
show up, so I don't miss meetings. I know what's
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going on. I just want a new deal. And this
is a way of not making you look bad having
report that I'm not there. I also can't necessarily get fined.
I'm getting all my treatment, I'm getting some of my
work in. I'm just not gonna go run around, catch passes,
run the risk of getting injured, injured, contact non contact injury. Right,
that's the hold in as opposed to the old school.
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I ain't showing up. Call my agent if you need me.
Hold out, pay me my money, show me the body,
show me. Okay. You know I stand the difference hold
out and holding. Okay, So Alvin Kamara is doing the
hold in, and there's some negotiation there and suddenly, yesterday
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Josina Anderson tweeted out that the New Orleans Saints are
open to trading Alvin Kamara and wait what life comes
at you fast, right, And though it's been reported that
he didn't ask for Christian McCaffrey money, this is a
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problem with so many running backs, is they massively, massively
overplay their hand, right. Joe Mixon signed a contract yesterday.
It's essentially a four year deal, and Joe Mixon's deal
is going to pay him on the It's it's you know,
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forty eight million dollars is how it reads, right, four year,
forty eight million dollar contract, and the devil, obviously is
always in the details. He's gonna get a ten million
dollars signing bonus with a one point three million dollar
base for this year, so he'll make eleven point three
this year, eight, next year, eight, the following year, nine
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point three and two three, so it's going to average
out to about nine million dollars a year. Joe mixons
a starting running back, a franchise back, a really really
good player, and that is well below what Christian McCaffrey
mad because he's not as productive as Christian McCaffrey. But
it's getting long term stability, getting life changing generational wealth
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as best you can with a declining market to be
a running back. But what the Saints did yesterday was
call his bluff, Alvin Kamara's bluff, and they've still kind
of left it out there because at the end of
the day, if you don't want to play football, if
you don't want to negotiate in real good faith and
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understand that we can't give you the ball, you're not
the kind of He was hurt last year they won
without him. He's a very good hybrid back, but he's
not a bell cow, and you're not gonna throw him
a hundred times a year. And he hasn't stayed healthy
long enough outside outside of the fact that he doesn't
catch hunterballs and he doesn't rush for over a thousand yards.
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He's exactly like Christian McCaffrey and deserves Christian McCaffrey money.
And the only way to truly negotiate is to threaten
to walk out that door or send a guy out
that door, which is what the Saints did yesterday. Hey, listen,
we can't come to terms. It's fine. We'll find somebody
who will overpay to trade, to trade you and to
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give you what you might think is a contract that
you're worth. But we're we're just not. We're not speaking
the same language. In a not so shocking turn of events,
Alvin Kamar is probably gonna practice day. My guess is
they'll get a contract done, although the Saints left it
out there. Training is still a possibility. Somebody wants over
pay you and you wanted to go ociate as if
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you're Christian McCaffrey or you wanted to negotiate on the
plus side of ten plus million dollars a year. We
ain't doing that. Joe Mixon got nine. Probably reasonable to
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Jerry Rice was on the game. He was asked about
Dak Prescott and if he had Kyle Shanahan as a
head coach as opposed to what he's been working with
in Dallas. This was the greatest wide receiver of all time.
Jerry Rice had this to say, I think Prescott would
have success, but I don't think he would be like
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Jimmy g overall. I think Jimmy Gus a better quarterback
than Dak. I'm sorry, I just I'm gonna call it.
It's just my opinion. That's my opinion. I can be wrong,
but I think right now with Jimmy G he's a
better quarterback than Dak Prescott. Now he's also synonymous with
the forty Niners, even though he went to the Super
Bowl with the with the Raiders, Jerry Rice's most owned
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as a Niner, and you know he can't when you're
a Niner. It's not like college in terms of our
tribal When you're a Niner, it's not like you're going
to credit the Cowboys quarterback for being better than the Niners.
But I don't think it's a crazy statement. I don't.
In fairness to Jimmy G. He's only been a healthy
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starter for one year, right, one year because he got
hurt the previous year, and the previous year to that
he sat. And then you know, obviously they were good
at the end of the season. I don't know if
they got every team's best stuff for people knew what
he's doing. The criticism of Jimmy Garoppolo has not been
how good he is. It's that he is prone to
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the big mistake. And in fairness to Dak Prescott, Jimmy
Garoppolo didn't make the plays down the stretch. You know,
Manuel Sanders is open. Isn't just that he missed Emmanuel
Sanders on what should have been an explosive play and
maybe a game winning play. It's that he massively overthrew
him play, which if you underthrow, you're likely to get
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a p I and get the ball down around the
one yard line. So I would if you told me
that Garoppolo didn't play well down the stretch against Cancer
Chiefs in the Super Bowl with the lead, I would
agree with you. But what is Dak Prescott done to
make you believe that he would perform well down the stretch? Right?
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If you want to tell me that in a pressure
pack situation like the Super Bowl he didn't play well, fine,
I saw the Philadelphia Eagles game where the Eagles have
a bunch of rummies at wide receiver and the Cowboys
can't move the football against the Eagles late in the year, Yeah,
they had the number one ranked offense based on gross statistics,
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but go and look at what they actually a pumplished
I think Kyle Shanahan's a great offensive mind, of course,
but like coaching can only get you so far. And
if anything, Kyle Shanahan, if he was coaching Dak Prescott,
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Dak Prescott would hand the ball off more and throw
the football. Lest how do I know that? Because that's
how Kyle Shanahan calls offensive football. He just does. Go
back and look at the Cowboys last year and instead
of saying they have the number one ranked offense, look
what they did against the actual good teams. And look
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what the Niners did against the good teams. Is there
some bias there with Jerry Rice? Sure? But one guy's
won a bunch of playoff games. The other ones but
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demand when her You like big game tonight in the NBA,
actually two of them. The The Bucks are down one
game to none to the Miami Heat. What have I
seen this before? Mike Budenholzer's team suddenly not as good
offensively in the playoffs as they were in the regular season.
And then the nightcap is Houston versus Oklahoma City Game seven.
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The winner gets the Lakers. Chris Paul, playing against his
former team, heroically kind of saved his current team and
forced to Game seven. The Rockets are better. The Rockets
should win this game. The Thunder weren't put together with
the idea I have, let's win. They were put together
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with the idea of, you know, we got Danilla Gallanari,
he can score, maybe he'll become trade bait. We got
Chris Paul, he's a tremendous point guard and leader, will
put him in charge. Shay giljis Alexander will learn from
an old time great to eventually be the mantel holder,
the leader of the team. Steven Adams the big guy,
the tough guy. We'll just kind of figure it out
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as we go and somehow about bye bye about mid season, like,
you know what, we can't trade Chris Paul for anything reasonable,
maybe can't trade them at all, and we're not that bad.
Let's just go for it. Fine. As for the Houston Rockets,
they actually match up a little bit better than we
thought because they're using lu Dort, who's a rookie from
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Arizona State, originally from Montreal. Looks like a football player,
kind of shoots like a football player sometimes too. And
we have ourselves in a really interesting series. But one
thing I think all of us can agree is if
the Rockets lose tonight, Mike danton like, we don't even
need the pleasantries of the well, we're gonna review. Everybody's
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on review. We'll figure it out. Like D'Antonio will be
fired if they lose. There's a chance that Daryl Morey's
fired if they lose. Even if they win, it's very
strong likelihood they lose to the Rocket, to the Lakers.
And when you factor in what Tilman Fertida said last
year when they lost to the Warriors. Remember he wasn't
just mad that they lost to the Warriors, he was
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mad that they lost the Warriors at home. The Rockets
have made a have this curious kind of run of
run of losing their last playoff game at home. Additionally,
in these last playoff games, James Harden kind of no
shows at the end of series. Um And when they
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lost to the Warriors last year, if you remember, the
Warriors weren't at full strength, Kevin Durant didn't play, So
it's one thing to lose to the Warriors. You're like, well,
they got Kevin Durant, and they got Steph Curry, and
they got Clay Thompson and they got Draymond Green and
we had come so close before, but they commissioned to
study on why they lost games seven the year before
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and blamed the refs, not the seven three pointers in
a row. Then they get another shot at the Warriors
and they'll they may not have won the series, to
lose at home and the Warriors don't have their best player,
I'll be mad too. So for Tina said like, I
want to win, and I want to win now, like
clean house with the coaching staff of the exception to
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head coach Darryl Morey may or may not keep his job,
and I don't believe D'Antoni does eventually if they lose.
But I feel like the Rockets are in that place
that a lot of colleges are in when they want
to fire their coach. I'm not saying that Mike D'Antoni
is the guy his teams and he's coached. I mean,
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it's kind of an amazing career right to coach in
three of the four biggest markets in the NBA. Do
you guys realize that he's head coach of the Lakers,
the Nicks, the Rockets fourth biggest markets and you know
as well as Phoenix, where he had his most he
had the most success he's ever had and of course
in Denver previous to that, Like, it's not for lack
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of opportunity. Where have I seen this before? That his
team's lack of ability to close the series, to get
big defensive stops ultimately undoes an amazing regular season team.
That's Mike D'Antoni Basketball one one. I'm not saying that
you keep him. I'm just saying this, has anybody asked
the question, who's the guy who could fix it? There
are calls to bring back Jeff van Gundhi, but Jeff
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van Gundhi is pat Riley disciple, He's a defense guy.
How do you think that goes over with James Harden?
I love Jeff van Gundi. There's many teams that I'm like,
why don't you hire Jeff Van gun Just throw a
bunch of money at him. He's he's not a good
He's a great basketball coach, great basketball coach. But I
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don't know how that when you're two best players are
two guys with flaws defense Like Russell Westbrook. I think
people think is a really good defensive player because he's
so athletic, because he makes mean faces and occasionally he'll
get a steal. But the truth is that he checks
out a defense for about half of every season, and
he's just okay in the postseason when he is engaged,
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and then offensively he hey, and and and and what
happens is we were watching such limited, limited instances in
terms of how hard he he plays hard all the time, Like, no,
he doesn't, he does not ask people, don't come the city,
they now their head. Like no, he takes lots of
he takes games off defensively and now of course he's
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for knee surgeries. In he's not the same guy, and
he still has some of the same issues in terms
of the volume of shots and inability to to make shots.
And then you've got James Harden, who's great when he
has the ball. Great. He's not good. He's great, but
he requires a very specific style in order to be successful, right, Like,
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I don't know, there's a lot of coaches that're gonna
let him go through his legs fifteen times before he
goes and gets his shot. Maybe, But but the the
bigger question is, okay, not D'Antoni. Who then, and don't
give me the anybody that's actually not that's not actually
the way it works, because in order to win a championship,
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So oftentimes in the NBA you have to have been
there before. You have to have one before. Like that's
the catch two of coaching in the NBA. To win
a championship as a coach, you have to have won
a championship as a coach, or to have the respect
of a locker room, you have to have won a championship.
To have won a championship, you have to have the
respect of a locker room. Reminds me of Fat Bastard
(32:33):
in uh Austin Powers to Eat because I'm unhappy, and
I'm unhappy because it it's a vicious cycle. I agree.
I'm not a guy who's in here proposing I have
all the answers, but I think the lack of an
obvious answer. He is the conundrum that the Houston Rockets
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this team into a consistent winner, he did pull off
magnificent moves, but he does have them locked up in
a sort of cap hell that they've constantly tried to rework.
And if you keep him, the hire a coach that
believes in his analytics first philosophy, or do you scrap
(33:14):
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gonna get rid of James Harden. You can't get rid
of Russell Westbrook. And what do you do? I think
you might be screwed that right. Warriors seem to have
a plan. Took a year off, Lakers are still gonna
roll with lebron, Clippers are are loaded, They're not going
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it because he's calling me on a nightly basis telling me,
you gotta read this book. You gotta read this book.
We we talked about it yesterday. Uh, Jeff, We're joined
by Jeff Benedict, the author. Jeff, how are you. I'm
doing well. Thanks? What was it? What was it like
the moment you were granted access? And I asked that
because of the organizations that we as outsiders think of
(36:08):
as the Fort Knox of sports organizations, the Patriots seemed
like the most like that, right, nothing, no leaks, nothing
gets out of that thing. It's changed a little bit.
But to give you this type of access, what was
that like? Well, I mean, I think to answer that question,
I have to sort of stay up front. I'm I'm
(36:29):
probably the ultimate outsider, you know, maybe like the most
unlikely person to write a book like this, just because
I've i had never covered this team. I've never been
around them, Uh, never been to a press conference in Foxboro,
never watched the game from the press box, and I
didn't know any of these uh individuals who are at
(36:50):
the core of the dynasty. I've never met, for example,
Robert Kraft or been around Tom Brady or Bill Belichick
or any of these other guys. So I was really
UH an outsider. And but I'd spent a lot of
time thinking about this and thinking about what I wanted
to do. And one of the things that appealed to
me was that, UH, no one had really ever looked
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at the role of the owner in the dynasty. And
I was fascinated by that because I had consulted the
Sports Illustrated one greatest sports books of all time. They
made a list a few years back, and not one
of those titles had anything to do with an owner.
And I thought, in this case, there's a there's got
to be an incredible story there. I don't know what
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it is, but there's got to be a great story
about crafts part here. And so I wrote to him,
you know, the old fashioned way. I wrote him a
letter and it was it's the ultimate sort of cold
call type of letter. He doesn't know me, but I
I introduced myself in writing and I told him who
I was, what my background was, and what I wanted
(37:54):
to do and which was I really wanted to understand
and write a book about how this it to sports
dynasty of the twenty one century was built. I mean,
that's basically how I put it. And that was the
beginning of, you know, a relationship that the next phase
was I got a letter back from him and to
(38:14):
my mailbox in Connecticut, and that said something to me
about him. Granted I haven't talked to him me I
haven't met him, but the fact that he took the
time to write me back, um, was interesting and it
said to me, there's just something different about this man.
And you know, eventually that led to uh meeting and
spending time together and and me basically just talking about
(38:39):
what I wanted to do and getting to know him
and some of those who led the organization. I was
trying to build a report. I was trying to understand
and they were, you know, trying to understand who I
was because they didn't know me either. Um. But it
was a process in the case with everybody in the book,
of you know, sort of building uh a comfort level
(39:00):
and a relationship. I mean, to get to the point
where you could have interviews that were meaningful. I I
think that all of these guys knew because of the
kinds of questions that I was asking that I was
not interested in third and ten. Um. There's a lot
of other football writers out there who can write that
a lot better than I can. I was trying to
(39:21):
answer questions about that we're legal, that we're political, that
we're financial, and so that's it's going about in a
totally different way. Yeah, it is, like it is fascinating
to those of us. And you know, I spent live
twelve twelve years of my life in Connecticut, and I
know that, Like I think people forget that the Patriots
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were moving to Connecticut, like that stadium that Yukon occupies
that was going to be the Patriots stadium, Like it was,
it was done until it wasn't done. And it's kind
of interesting how he took to owning the team where
he you know, he bought up land around the stadium
and then it ultimately gets the new stadium. But I
and so I think that part of it's fascinating. I
think the part that is most intriguing to US sports
(40:05):
fans is the relationship between Belichick and Brady and having
not had the whether it's bias or background of knowledge
for how it used to be when you first got
there in two thousand eighteen, what was the state of
their relationship, or when I got there in two thousand eighteen,
I didn't know anything about that and and have any
(40:27):
sort of insight into any of that. I was coming
in very fresh, and you could even say somewhat naive, um,
but you know, I constructed a timeline and of the
Patriots dynasty. It took me a year to build it,
and I was doing all these data points and I
was looking at the evolution of the relationship between Belichick
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and Brady is a fascinating tale, and I think to
understand where it ended up, you have to really focus
on where it began. And it begins really with this
incredible sort of set of decisions that Belichick makes that
in hindsight, you know, look just as risky today as
they were then, which is, you know, first of all,
(41:09):
drafting a quarterback when you absolutely don't need one because
you've got three of them and one of them is
a superstar. And then after the first season, when Brady
doesn't play, it's reaching the conclusion in your mind that
if he were starting the best quarterback on the roster
right now heading into the O one season, he would
start Brady. That is, that is an unbelievable place for
(41:31):
a coach to be when the owner just gave the
other quarterback a hundred three million dollars to stay for
ten more years, and and and he even told the
owner that he felt that way. And so Craft knows
that Belichick feels that way going into the O one season.
And I think when Drew gets hurt, it gives Belichick
(41:52):
the ability to put the guy in the game who
he thought he should have been starting anyways. And so
when Drew comes back, and the conventional wisdom is, you know,
when you're the star quarterback, you don't lose your job,
and so he should have played. And I think every
other coach in the NFL and oh one would have
put him back in, and Belichick doesn't. And here's where
(42:13):
it gets interesting. The owner certainly could have forced his
hand here, and he's even talking with blood Zoe, who
wants him to intervene, and Craft goes and talks to
Belichick about it. And the interesting thing is he doesn't
go down there and like tell him what to do.
He goes down there and listens to him, and then
(42:35):
he decided at that point that he's not going to
step in, and he tells Bloods that, and he tells
blood so that he, as much as he wants to help,
he doesn't think he should force the issue. And so
Belichick is allowed to stick with Brady. And we all
know that he wins the super Bowl that year. But
the next morning, when they're in a car together after
(42:56):
winning the super Bowl against the Rams, it's right there
where you know, Belichick says, you had a pretty good season. Well,
first of all, that's a dramatic understatement, and second of all,
but but coming from him, that's a huge compliment. And
then to say it then comes to the sort of
the warning about what's coming next, the fame and the
(43:18):
all the stuff that comes with being the youngest quarterback
to be the Super Bowl MVP and all that stuff.
It's that's how their relationships started. It's uh. In other words,
I think that they both understood early on that they
had to trust each other and their careers rested on
each other. So they really did. If Brady had not
(43:40):
done well in OH one, that could have been disastrous
for Belichick's future, so him, So when did the where
did the trust break down? And and like, look, we
we read the excerpt yesterday where you know Kraft was
Craft was concerned about that dynamic between Belichick and Brady.
Belichick of course, had got rid of Alex Guerrero. Giselle
(44:03):
would you know, voiced her disapproval with how Tom Brady
was was being treated like it seemed to all work
for so long, where Brady would take a little bit
less and extend the contract so they get everything worked in.
You know, they would he would get undressed verbally by
the coaching staff because he was just like anybody else
in the Patris It it worked for so long. What changed?
(44:27):
I don't really think anything changed. I just think what
you said explained it. It worked for so long. In
other words, it never should have worked that long. Um
Montana and Walsh couldn't make it work that long. Noel
and Bradshaw. You know, Terry Bradshaw has been pretty open
about how much he hated us the word hate, hated
Chuck Nol and couldn't wait to get away from him.
(44:51):
And so I think that again, I'm looking at this
like and I'm trying to get readers to put on
a different set of glasses. And let's look at this
differently and instead of focusing And I understand the attraction
to the friction. I get that. But what's far more
interesting to me isn't that there was friction and fracture,
because that's in every great partnership that you know, when
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you put like two geniuses in a room, there's gonna
be that. But they're also going to create something that
could change the world. And I think that these two
guys did that, and they did it for a lot
longer than than should have happened. And if they'd run
the course that the Niners and the Steelers and maybe
even the Packers had run, it would have come apart
(45:33):
a lot sooner, maybe in two thousand ten or two
thousand eleven, or certainly two thousand twelve. But this is
different because they keep going, and so it's by the
time you get to twenty years, you know, two thousand nineteen,
it's like it's just there's not a defining moment where
you say, there it is, that was the straw that
broke the camel's back. I just think that instead, it's
(45:54):
more that they finally reached the end of the road.
And that is why I made the comparison between Lennon
and McCartney and Belichick and Brady, because I really think
it fits here. I think it works. It's not an
overstatement to say the two greatest rock stars have changed
the music industry. We're fifty years removed from you know,
(46:15):
when the Beatles were the Beatles, and we still look
at them as the best. I really think fifty years
from now, sports historians and fans will look back at
this moment and say, the Belichick Brady partnership it's still
the best one, and it's because they did more than
anybody else. Could it also be the Gazelle Bunchen is
(46:37):
the Yoko ono to to to this uh To, to
this duo. No, I don't think so. I think I would.
I would. I understand why you're saying that. I would
actually describe her quite differently. I think Yoko is probably
rightfully UH looked at by a lot of people as
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the one of the sources that broke up the Beatles.
I think in Gill's case, she was probably very helpful
in keeping things together because of the way that she
UH is with Tom. I think if you see Tom
versus Time in that film, uh, which I thought was
very honest and showed some some great insights into that.
(47:19):
I mean, look, she's a she's like the ultimate partner,
and I think that New England was lucky that she
was on the scene for this ride. It's it's called
the Dynasty. The author, Jeff Benedet, kind of to spend
some time with this. Pick it up wherever you Kindle, Amazon,
wherever you get your books. It is an absolute fabulous read. Jeff,
(47:40):
thanks so much for joining us, incredible insight and look
forward to speaking to you again in the near future.
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So that means naked Wednesdays. So there is naked Wednesdays,
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to the Nuggets meet the Jazz last night. And while
that's probably not gonna be the most watched series or
when a lot watched Game seven, it was very telling
and um, I think you know what we saw last
(01:52):
night does play into the rest of the NBA playoffs. Also,
it's why there's an alarming stat about j James Harden
as he gets ready for Game seven tonight. It's not
just about his Game seven stats in the past. It's
his fourth quarter in overtime stats. I'll tell you what
I believe is behind that. Um. Jeff Bennedict's gonna join
us in an hour and a half. He's the author
(02:13):
of a new book that Believe or Not. Your boy
Collin Coward told me you got to read this book.
He is reading it. It's about the Patriots dynasty, what
many believe is the end of the dynasty, the breakup
of Belichick and Brady. Joe Klatt will join us as
we have renewed energy. Renewed energy in regards to the
(02:33):
Big Ten possibly playing football this year, you have if
you're listening to us, you're coming off of listening, most
likely to Dan Patrick, also part of our Fox Sports
radio family, who said sources close to him told him
October tenth is the date that they want to play
football by so that the Big Ten can still compete
in the College football Playoff. Again, that doesn't mean it's happening.
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It just means that would be their target day. Um
and in um thirty minutes, Ben Goliver is going to
join us. He is in the bubble, will get his
sense of everything that's at stake tonight for Houston, for
Mike D'Antoni, for James Harden, for Russell Westbrook and oh yeah,
by the way, the Bucks don't want to go down
(03:18):
two games none like the Toronto Raptors did last night.
But let's start with the NFL. Let's start with Kirk
Cousins right in the Kirk Cousins is the guy who
is most likely, by my estimation, to always say what
would read as the right thing. Right he does that
(03:40):
odd ge shucks, Doney. It's almost there's a little Russell
Wilson to him as well, where um where it's like,
did did you take a class on PR and somebody
told you this is what you're supposed to say, because
he does have attend see to say what the media
(04:01):
would most often tell you is the right thing. But
many people in my position are using part of his
quote to partially laugh at him, also laugh at some
of the precautions were taking regards to COVID nineteen, and
they're using it to make a bigger point, which honestly
(04:25):
he doesn't actually make if you read the whole quote.
All right, it is disingenuous to say that Kirk Cousins
by saying if I die, I die, right, which is
you guys are familiar. It's a famous quote from a movie.
He dies, it does? It does? Um? But what I'm
(04:51):
going to be okay, even if I die, I die,
I kind of have peace at that. That's what everybody's
talking about, right, people are talking like, So let me
read the quote he was on with Kyle Brandt. KB
is a friend and he's on Good Morning Football. He
(05:15):
has a pod. On that pod, Kirk Cousins said, I'm
not gonna call anybody stupid for the trouble it could
get me in. But I'm about zero point zero zero
zero one, right, So he is a little bit an
in denial of the actual numbers by anyone's estimation, because
(05:38):
that's not what the percentages tell you. On the other hand,
if he simply said, hey, there's a very very slight
chance that if I get COVID that I'm going to
get sick enough to actually have to be hospitalized. Whatever. Now, look,
some of this is a reaction to the CDC and
their story that can and their report that came out
(05:59):
that now need four percent of people who died from
COVID nineteen uh died of core co morbidities. So, in
addition to the fact that he's a professional athlete, he's
in great shape, he doesn't have pre existing health conditions,
all of those, his numbers might be closer to accurate
(06:21):
than inaccurate. He goes on, I want to respect other
people's concerns, but for me, right, that's the that's his
way of saying, no disrespect. What and when somebody says
no disrespect, what comes out of their mouth the very
next sentence something usually disrespectful. But for me personally. If
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you're talking no one else can get the virus, what
is your concern you could get it, I'd say, I'm
gonna go about my daily life. If I get it,
I'm gonna write it out. I'm gonna let nature do
its course, survival of the fittest kind of approach and
just say, if it knocks me out, it knocks me out,
I'm gonna be okay. Even if I die. I die,
(07:05):
I kind of have peace for that. That's what everyone's
talking about. That's not the end of the quote. I
guess not. I actually had a text to help my
friends in the media who were slaughtering Kirk Cousins or
laughing at at at people who are protective of COVID
from COVID nineteen whatever. And because there's another part wait,
(07:26):
he said more, he said more. That's really where I
fall on it. So my opinion on wearing masks is
it's really about being respectful to other people. It has
nothing to do with my personal thoughts. Wait, right, what
kirk Cousins is saying is I'm not a high risk.
(07:46):
I'm not a low risk. I am a very very
minimal risk. But you don't wear a mask simply because
yourself you wear a mask because by his estimation, Okay,
it's about being respectful. The truth is, it's a little
bit more about being respectful. It's about not wanting to
spread it to somebody who may have uh, some underlying
(08:10):
health issues, somebody who's elderly or in cousin's case, his kids. Now.
Is he totally educated on the virus? No, Sometimes education
is is a very good thing. Sometimes partial education is
not this. There's a lot to this, right, like the
Big Ten. It feels like overreacted to being really well
(08:32):
educated on it because there was a report that it's
not reports the statistics that show you can and you
can contract my ocarditis if you get COVID nineteen and
an athlete my ocarditis can cause sudden death. No one
wants that for anyone, let alone for an athlete representing
(08:54):
a university. But what if you read part of the quote,
it feels like he's telling you it's not even as
rough on your body as the flu. That's what people
who want to believe that it's some sort of media creation.
Oh it's five G cell phone towers only right, You've
(09:14):
you heard that one like you heard all the different
he's saying, I don't think it's gonna affect me, and
if it does, I'm gonna ride it out. And then
he does the fake bravery thing. If I die, I die.
But he goes back and essentially says, I'm gonna wear
a mask because it's not about me. It's about everybody else,
which is exactly how you should take it. Exactly how
(09:39):
you should take it. You've gotta take it seriously and
be a little bit over precautious. And maybe you don't
value your own health or maybe you think I'm healthy
as a horse. I'm gonna be fine, but it's not
about you. It's about everybody. Simple wear a mask and
we get everything back. It's not that hard. But we're
(10:05):
doing that thing we do in the media. This is
not a youth thing. This is an US thing. This
is me talking group. Talk to everybody, who I work with,
who I've worked for, I've worked at three different places.
We do it. Some of it we do because you
don't have the attention span you know to listen to
(10:27):
U two quotes in totality. Some of it we do
because it doesn't make a good headline. A lot of
it we do because we see gotcha moments, and we
just want to pound the gotcha moments, play the hits.
But that doesn't make it right, my colin tweeted out
(10:48):
earlier today, you mean to tell me a guy essentially,
You mean to tell me a guy that gets try
that you know puts himself in harm's way in football,
is scared of a virus like he gets it. But again,
that's only of the quote. The rest of the quote
is accurate, which is and it's not really about me,
it's about everybody else, essentially, Kirk Cousins saying, I don't
(11:11):
know if masks work or if they don't work. I
don't think I'm really gonna get sick from it, but
I'll wear the damn mask so that everybody else feels good. Fine,
I don't care why you wear it. You can wear
it to be sarcastic. You can wear it to be cautious,
you can wear it to be respectful, You could wear
it for a million reasons. Just wear a mask. It's
not that hard. And if you don't have a mask,
(11:36):
as I lose them all the time pretty much any
place you walk into has them and they're hand it
to you. You couldn't make it any easier for people.
This is like the voting thing, right, Like I love
the fact that we're creating more and more avenues for
people to vote. If you don't vote, like this is
on you. Last presidential election, I was not I was
(12:00):
not registered to vote. The day of the election, I
registered to vote and voted twice. Kidding on the last part.
But we're gonna, we're gonna half of us are gonna
vilify Kirk Cousins. Half of us are gonna vilify scientists
(12:23):
and doctors, saying, see Kirk Cousins, professional athlete, smart guy,
not a scientist, not a doctor, definitely not an infectious
disease expert. Actually, just as you know, I don't really
think it's gonna affect me if I get sick, I
get sick, But I'll wear the damn mask because it
(12:44):
makes everybody else happy. Fine, right, don't care why you
wear it. I don't care, just do it. It's like voting.
I don't care who you vote for, really, don't care.
Just vote. But but this is a good portion, a
(13:07):
good portion of so many stories having to do with
the pandemic, you know, the Big ten and people's you know,
wanting the Big Ten to play football, and the idea
of the Big Ten presidents being overreactive, overreacted, and that
they had overreacted to a store actually a report from
(13:29):
real scientists and real doctors about something that could happen
to their athletes. But kirk Cousins was asked to elaborate.
He did. And while he doesn't believe that he could
truthfully get sick or let alone die, because if you did,
(13:51):
you wouldn't say that, And nor has he really dug
into the idea that, like a good portion of COVID
nineteen and the dangerous respects of it, is not just
whether or not you could die, Like we have this
tendency to go like, well, you didn't die, so you're fine. No,
I mean you can do massive damage to your lungs.
Maybe not Kirk Cousins, but there are people that have
(14:14):
lingering and will have a life of lung issues from it.
But that's not even the point. The biggest point, most
important point is we're doing that thing that we like
to do in the media, and it's not a you problem,
it's an US problem. We're taking a portion of a
quote making it into an I gotcha moment. Kirk Cousins
doesn't fear the virus. He doesn't want to wear a mask.
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He doesn't think the masks actually work, even though at
the end he essentially says, I'll wear the mask if
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Doug god leaving for Colin. This is the herd. Thanks
so much for making us part of your day. On
a Wednesday hump Day? What day is it? What day
is it? It's hump day? What? What's that great commercial
with the camel? Is another camel hump Day commercial? Right?
Remember we just have jingles? Whatever happened to jingles? Um?
(16:52):
I saw this story and I thought it was interesting.
Alvin Kamara is expected to practice today with in New Orleans.
Say now tomorrow has been doing the hold in right
the holding is the sleep under of NFL negotiations. You
guys know what to sleep under his Okay, a sleep over.
You go over to somebody's house. You're throwing a movie,
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You get a bunch of snacks, you play video, they
play Fortnite, They text friends, they I G live, they
snapchat everybody. They stay up super super late. They annoy
the hell out of whoever parents have them doing a
sleepover if the parents pay attention to him. If not,
the parents pay no attention, They don't sleep at all.
Then they come back to you the next day crazy, crazy,
cranky and tired. Too much sugar, not enough sleep. They
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end up not liking each other at the end of
the day because somebody no doubt as an early riser
and wake somebody else up. You know, there's the sleepover, right,
I used have sleepovers all the time. Sleepover still exist.
The sleep under sleep under is when this is the
we did this with our kids all the time, which
is you go over to somebody's house, you hang out,
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you swim, you play, you watch play Fortnite, do all
that stuff, and then like o'clock will come pick you
have be sleep in your own house. And then if
you want next morning, We'll take you back over there
and you have breakfast together. Sleep under hold in is Hey,
I want a new contract, but I'm not gonna not
show up, so I don't miss meetings. I know what's
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going on. I just want a new deal. And this
is a way of not making you look bad having
report that I'm not there. I also can't necessarily get fined.
I'm getting all my treatment, I'm getting some of my
work in. I'm just not gonna go run around, catch passes,
run the risk of getting injured, injured, contact non contact injury. Right,
that's the hold in as opposed to the old school.
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I ain't showing up. Call my agent if you need me.
Hold out, pay me my money, show me the body,
show me. Okay. You know I stand the difference hold
out and holding. Okay, So Alvin Kamara is doing the
hold in, and there's some negotiation there and suddenly, yesterday
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Josina Anderson tweeted out that the New Orleans Saints are
open to trading Alvin Kamara and wait what life comes
at you fast, right, And though it's been reported that
he didn't ask for Christian McCaffrey money, this is a
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problem with so many running backs, is they massively, massively
overplay their hand, right. Joe Mixon signed a contract yesterday.
It's essentially a four year deal, and Joe Mixon's deal
is going to pay him on the It's it's you know,
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forty eight million dollars is how it reads, right, four year,
forty eight million dollar contract, and the devil, obviously is
always in the details. He's gonna get a ten million
dollars signing bonus with a one point three million dollar
base for this year, so he'll make eleven point three
this year, eight, next year, eight, the following year, nine
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point three and two three, so it's going to average
out to about nine million dollars a year. Joe mixons
a starting running back, a franchise back, a really really
good player, and that is well below what Christian McCaffrey
mad because he's not as productive as Christian McCaffrey. But
it's getting long term stability, getting life changing generational wealth
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as best you can with a declining market to be
a running back. But what the Saints did yesterday was
call his bluff, Alvin Kamara's bluff, and they've still kind
of left it out there because at the end of
the day, if you don't want to play football, if
you don't want to negotiate in real good faith and
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understand that we can't give you the ball, you're not
the kind of He was hurt last year they won
without him. He's a very good hybrid back, but he's
not a bell cow, and you're not gonna throw him
a hundred times a year. And he hasn't stayed healthy
long enough outside outside of the fact that he doesn't
catch hunterballs and he doesn't rush for over a thousand yards.
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He's exactly like Christian McCaffrey and deserves Christian McCaffrey money.
And the only way to truly negotiate is to threaten
to walk out that door or send a guy out
that door, which is what the Saints did yesterday. Hey, listen,
we can't come to terms. It's fine. We'll find somebody
who will overpay to trade, to trade you and to
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give you what you might think is a contract that
you're worth. But we're we're just not. We're not speaking
the same language. In a not so shocking turn of events,
Alvin Kamar is probably gonna practice day. My guess is
they'll get a contract done, although the Saints left it
out there. Training is still a possibility. Somebody wants over
pay you and you wanted to go ociate as if
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you're Christian McCaffrey or you wanted to negotiate on the
plus side of ten plus million dollars a year. We
ain't doing that. Joe Mixon got nine. Probably reasonable to
think that's about your range. Be sure to catch live
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Heart Radio app. Doug Golliman for Colin This is the Herd.
(22:23):
Jerry Rice was on the game. He was asked about
Dak Prescott and if he had Kyle Shanahan as a
head coach as opposed to what he's been working with
in Dallas. This was the greatest wide receiver of all time.
Jerry Rice had this to say, I think Prescott would
have success, but I don't think he would be like
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Jimmy g overall. I think Jimmy Gus a better quarterback
than Dak. I'm sorry, I just I'm gonna call it.
It's just my opinion. That's my opinion. I can be wrong,
but I think right now with Jimmy G he's a
better quarterback than Dak Prescott. Now he's also synonymous with
the forty Niners, even though he went to the Super
Bowl with the with the Raiders, Jerry Rice's most owned
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as a Niner, and you know he can't when you're
a Niner. It's not like college in terms of our
tribal When you're a Niner, it's not like you're going
to credit the Cowboys quarterback for being better than the Niners.
But I don't think it's a crazy statement. I don't.
In fairness to Jimmy G. He's only been a healthy
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starter for one year, right, one year because he got
hurt the previous year, and the previous year to that
he sat. And then you know, obviously they were good
at the end of the season. I don't know if
they got every team's best stuff for people knew what
he's doing. The criticism of Jimmy Garoppolo has not been
how good he is. It's that he is prone to
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the big mistake. And in fairness to Dak Prescott, Jimmy
Garoppolo didn't make the plays down the stretch. You know,
Manuel Sanders is open. Isn't just that he missed Emmanuel
Sanders on what should have been an explosive play and
maybe a game winning play. It's that he massively overthrew
him play, which if you underthrow, you're likely to get
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a p I and get the ball down around the
one yard line. So I would if you told me
that Garoppolo didn't play well down the stretch against Cancer
Chiefs in the Super Bowl with the lead, I would
agree with you. But what is Dak Prescott done to
make you believe that he would perform well down the stretch? Right?
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If you want to tell me that in a pressure
pack situation like the Super Bowl he didn't play well, fine,
I saw the Philadelphia Eagles game where the Eagles have
a bunch of rummies at wide receiver and the Cowboys
can't move the football against the Eagles late in the year, Yeah,
they had the number one ranked offense based on gross statistics,
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but go and look at what they actually a pumplished
I think Kyle Shanahan's a great offensive mind, of course,
but like coaching can only get you so far. And
if anything, Kyle Shanahan, if he was coaching Dak Prescott,
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Dak Prescott would hand the ball off more and throw
the football. Lest how do I know that? Because that's
how Kyle Shanahan calls offensive football. He just does. Go
back and look at the Cowboys last year and instead
of saying they have the number one ranked offense, look
what they did against the actual good teams. And look
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what the Niners did against the good teams. Is there
some bias there with Jerry Rice? Sure? But one guy's
won a bunch of playoff games. The other ones but
one one one more heard. The Herd streams twenty four
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demand when her You like big game tonight in the NBA,
actually two of them. The The Bucks are down one
game to none to the Miami Heat. What have I
seen this before? Mike Budenholzer's team suddenly not as good
offensively in the playoffs as they were in the regular season.
And then the nightcap is Houston versus Oklahoma City Game seven.
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The winner gets the Lakers. Chris Paul, playing against his
former team, heroically kind of saved his current team and
forced to Game seven. The Rockets are better. The Rockets
should win this game. The Thunder weren't put together with
the idea I have, let's win. They were put together
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with the idea of, you know, we got Danilla Gallanari,
he can score, maybe he'll become trade bait. We got
Chris Paul, he's a tremendous point guard and leader, will
put him in charge. Shay giljis Alexander will learn from
an old time great to eventually be the mantel holder,
the leader of the team. Steven Adams the big guy,
the tough guy. We'll just kind of figure it out
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as we go and somehow about bye bye about mid season, like,
you know what, we can't trade Chris Paul for anything reasonable,
maybe can't trade them at all, and we're not that bad.
Let's just go for it. Fine. As for the Houston Rockets,
they actually match up a little bit better than we
thought because they're using lu Dort, who's a rookie from
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Arizona State, originally from Montreal. Looks like a football player,
kind of shoots like a football player sometimes too. And
we have ourselves in a really interesting series. But one
thing I think all of us can agree is if
the Rockets lose tonight, Mike danton like, we don't even
need the pleasantries of the well, we're gonna review. Everybody's
(27:45):
on review. We'll figure it out. Like D'Antonio will be
fired if they lose. There's a chance that Daryl Morey's
fired if they lose. Even if they win, it's very
strong likelihood they lose to the Rocket, to the Lakers.
And when you factor in what Tilman Fertida said last
year when they lost to the Warriors. Remember he wasn't
just mad that they lost to the Warriors, he was
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mad that they lost the Warriors at home. The Rockets
have made a have this curious kind of run of
run of losing their last playoff game at home. Additionally,
in these last playoff games, James Harden kind of no
shows at the end of series. Um And when they
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lost to the Warriors last year, if you remember, the
Warriors weren't at full strength, Kevin Durant didn't play, So
it's one thing to lose to the Warriors. You're like, well,
they got Kevin Durant, and they got Steph Curry, and
they got Clay Thompson and they got Draymond Green and
we had come so close before, but they commissioned to
study on why they lost games seven the year before
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and blamed the refs, not the seven three pointers in
a row. Then they get another shot at the Warriors
and they'll they may not have won the series, to
lose at home and the Warriors don't have their best player,
I'll be mad too. So for Tina said like, I
want to win, and I want to win now, like
clean house with the coaching staff of the exception to
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head coach Darryl Morey may or may not keep his job,
and I don't believe D'Antoni does eventually if they lose.
But I feel like the Rockets are in that place
that a lot of colleges are in when they want
to fire their coach. I'm not saying that Mike D'Antoni
is the guy his teams and he's coached. I mean,
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it's kind of an amazing career right to coach in
three of the four biggest markets in the NBA. Do
you guys realize that he's head coach of the Lakers,
the Nicks, the Rockets fourth biggest markets and you know
as well as Phoenix, where he had his most he
had the most success he's ever had and of course
in Denver previous to that, Like, it's not for lack
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of opportunity. Where have I seen this before? That his
team's lack of ability to close the series, to get
big defensive stops ultimately undoes an amazing regular season team.
That's Mike D'Antoni Basketball one one. I'm not saying that
you keep him. I'm just saying this, has anybody asked
the question, who's the guy who could fix it? There
are calls to bring back Jeff van Gundhi, but Jeff
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van Gundhi is pat Riley disciple, He's a defense guy.
How do you think that goes over with James Harden?
I love Jeff van Gundi. There's many teams that I'm like,
why don't you hire Jeff Van gun Just throw a
bunch of money at him. He's he's not a good
He's a great basketball coach, great basketball coach. But I
(30:41):
don't know how that when you're two best players are
two guys with flaws defense Like Russell Westbrook. I think
people think is a really good defensive player because he's
so athletic, because he makes mean faces and occasionally he'll
get a steal. But the truth is that he checks
out a defense for about half of every season, and
he's just okay in the postseason when he is engaged,
(31:03):
and then offensively he hey, and and and and what
happens is we were watching such limited, limited instances in
terms of how hard he he plays hard all the time, Like, no,
he doesn't, he does not ask people, don't come the city,
they now their head. Like no, he takes lots of
he takes games off defensively and now of course he's
(31:26):
for knee surgeries. In he's not the same guy, and
he still has some of the same issues in terms
of the volume of shots and inability to to make shots.
And then you've got James Harden, who's great when he
has the ball. Great. He's not good. He's great, but
he requires a very specific style in order to be successful, right, Like,
(31:49):
I don't know, there's a lot of coaches that're gonna
let him go through his legs fifteen times before he
goes and gets his shot. Maybe, But but the the
bigger question is, okay, not D'Antoni. Who then, and don't
give me the anybody that's actually not that's not actually
the way it works, because in order to win a championship,
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So oftentimes in the NBA you have to have been
there before. You have to have one before. Like that's
the catch two of coaching in the NBA. To win
a championship as a coach, you have to have won
a championship as a coach, or to have the respect
of a locker room, you have to have won a championship.
To have won a championship, you have to have the
respect of a locker room. Reminds me of Fat Bastard
(32:33):
in uh Austin Powers to Eat because I'm unhappy, and
I'm unhappy because it it's a vicious cycle. I agree.
I'm not a guy who's in here proposing I have
all the answers, but I think the lack of an
obvious answer. He is the conundrum that the Houston Rockets
(32:54):
are in. Do you keep Darrel Morey. He did build
this team into a consistent winner, he did pull off
magnificent moves, but he does have them locked up in
a sort of cap hell that they've constantly tried to rework.
And if you keep him, the hire a coach that
believes in his analytics first philosophy, or do you scrap
(33:14):
the whole thing and start over. But then you're not
gonna get rid of James Harden. You can't get rid
of Russell Westbrook. And what do you do? I think
you might be screwed that right. Warriors seem to have
a plan. Took a year off, Lakers are still gonna
roll with lebron, Clippers are are loaded, They're not going
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(35:44):
it because he's calling me on a nightly basis telling me,
you gotta read this book. You gotta read this book.
We we talked about it yesterday. Uh, Jeff, We're joined
by Jeff Benedict, the author. Jeff, how are you. I'm
doing well. Thanks? What was it? What was it like
the moment you were granted access? And I asked that
because of the organizations that we as outsiders think of
(36:08):
as the Fort Knox of sports organizations, the Patriots seemed
like the most like that, right, nothing, no leaks, nothing
gets out of that thing. It's changed a little bit.
But to give you this type of access, what was
that like? Well, I mean, I think to answer that question,
I have to sort of stay up front. I'm I'm
(36:29):
probably the ultimate outsider, you know, maybe like the most
unlikely person to write a book like this, just because
I've i had never covered this team. I've never been
around them, Uh, never been to a press conference in Foxboro,
never watched the game from the press box, and I
didn't know any of these uh individuals who are at
(36:50):
the core of the dynasty. I've never met, for example,
Robert Kraft or been around Tom Brady or Bill Belichick
or any of these other guys. So I was really
UH an outsider. And but I'd spent a lot of
time thinking about this and thinking about what I wanted
to do. And one of the things that appealed to
me was that, UH, no one had really ever looked
(37:11):
at the role of the owner in the dynasty. And
I was fascinated by that because I had consulted the
Sports Illustrated one greatest sports books of all time. They
made a list a few years back, and not one
of those titles had anything to do with an owner.
And I thought, in this case, there's a there's got
to be an incredible story there. I don't know what
(37:32):
it is, but there's got to be a great story
about crafts part here. And so I wrote to him,
you know, the old fashioned way. I wrote him a
letter and it was it's the ultimate sort of cold
call type of letter. He doesn't know me, but I
I introduced myself in writing and I told him who
I was, what my background was, and what I wanted
(37:54):
to do and which was I really wanted to understand
and write a book about how this it to sports
dynasty of the twenty one century was built. I mean,
that's basically how I put it. And that was the
beginning of, you know, a relationship that the next phase
was I got a letter back from him and to
(38:14):
my mailbox in Connecticut, and that said something to me
about him. Granted I haven't talked to him me I
haven't met him, but the fact that he took the
time to write me back, um, was interesting and it
said to me, there's just something different about this man.
And you know, eventually that led to uh meeting and
spending time together and and me basically just talking about
(38:39):
what I wanted to do and getting to know him
and some of those who led the organization. I was
trying to build a report. I was trying to understand
and they were, you know, trying to understand who I
was because they didn't know me either. Um. But it
was a process in the case with everybody in the book,
of you know, sort of building uh a comfort level
(39:00):
and a relationship. I mean, to get to the point
where you could have interviews that were meaningful. I I
think that all of these guys knew because of the
kinds of questions that I was asking that I was
not interested in third and ten. Um. There's a lot
of other football writers out there who can write that
a lot better than I can. I was trying to
(39:21):
answer questions about that we're legal, that we're political, that
we're financial, and so that's it's going about in a
totally different way. Yeah, it is, like it is fascinating
to those of us. And you know, I spent live
twelve twelve years of my life in Connecticut, and I
know that, Like I think people forget that the Patriots
(39:42):
were moving to Connecticut, like that stadium that Yukon occupies
that was going to be the Patriots stadium, Like it was,
it was done until it wasn't done. And it's kind
of interesting how he took to owning the team where
he you know, he bought up land around the stadium
and then it ultimately gets the new stadium. But I
and so I think that part of it's fascinating. I
think the part that is most intriguing to US sports
(40:05):
fans is the relationship between Belichick and Brady and having
not had the whether it's bias or background of knowledge
for how it used to be when you first got
there in two thousand eighteen, what was the state of
their relationship, or when I got there in two thousand eighteen,
I didn't know anything about that and and have any
(40:27):
sort of insight into any of that. I was coming
in very fresh, and you could even say somewhat naive, um,
but you know, I constructed a timeline and of the
Patriots dynasty. It took me a year to build it,
and I was doing all these data points and I
was looking at the evolution of the relationship between Belichick
(40:47):
and Brady is a fascinating tale, and I think to
understand where it ended up, you have to really focus
on where it began. And it begins really with this
incredible sort of set of decisions that Belichick makes that
in hindsight, you know, look just as risky today as
they were then, which is, you know, first of all,
(41:09):
drafting a quarterback when you absolutely don't need one because
you've got three of them and one of them is
a superstar. And then after the first season, when Brady
doesn't play, it's reaching the conclusion in your mind that
if he were starting the best quarterback on the roster
right now heading into the O one season, he would
start Brady. That is, that is an unbelievable place for
(41:31):
a coach to be when the owner just gave the
other quarterback a hundred three million dollars to stay for
ten more years, and and and he even told the
owner that he felt that way. And so Craft knows
that Belichick feels that way going into the O one season.
And I think when Drew gets hurt, it gives Belichick
(41:52):
the ability to put the guy in the game who
he thought he should have been starting anyways. And so
when Drew comes back, and the conventional wisdom is, you know,
when you're the star quarterback, you don't lose your job,
and so he should have played. And I think every
other coach in the NFL and oh one would have
put him back in, and Belichick doesn't. And here's where
(42:13):
it gets interesting. The owner certainly could have forced his
hand here, and he's even talking with blood Zoe, who
wants him to intervene, and Craft goes and talks to
Belichick about it. And the interesting thing is he doesn't
go down there and like tell him what to do.
He goes down there and listens to him, and then
(42:35):
he decided at that point that he's not going to
step in, and he tells Bloods that, and he tells
blood so that he, as much as he wants to help,
he doesn't think he should force the issue. And so
Belichick is allowed to stick with Brady. And we all
know that he wins the super Bowl that year. But
the next morning, when they're in a car together after
(42:56):
winning the super Bowl against the Rams, it's right there
where you know, Belichick says, you had a pretty good season. Well,
first of all, that's a dramatic understatement, and second of all,
but but coming from him, that's a huge compliment. And
then to say it then comes to the sort of
the warning about what's coming next, the fame and the
(43:18):
all the stuff that comes with being the youngest quarterback
to be the Super Bowl MVP and all that stuff.
It's that's how their relationships started. It's uh. In other words,
I think that they both understood early on that they
had to trust each other and their careers rested on
each other. So they really did. If Brady had not
(43:40):
done well in OH one, that could have been disastrous
for Belichick's future, so him, So when did the where
did the trust break down? And and like, look, we
we read the excerpt yesterday where you know Kraft was
Craft was concerned about that dynamic between Belichick and Brady.
Belichick of course, had got rid of Alex Guerrero. Giselle
(44:03):
would you know, voiced her disapproval with how Tom Brady
was was being treated like it seemed to all work
for so long, where Brady would take a little bit
less and extend the contract so they get everything worked in.
You know, they would he would get undressed verbally by
the coaching staff because he was just like anybody else
in the Patris It it worked for so long. What changed?
(44:27):
I don't really think anything changed. I just think what
you said explained it. It worked for so long. In
other words, it never should have worked that long. Um
Montana and Walsh couldn't make it work that long. Noel
and Bradshaw. You know, Terry Bradshaw has been pretty open
about how much he hated us the word hate, hated
Chuck Nol and couldn't wait to get away from him.
(44:51):
And so I think that again, I'm looking at this
like and I'm trying to get readers to put on
a different set of glasses. And let's look at this
differently and instead of focusing And I understand the attraction
to the friction. I get that. But what's far more
interesting to me isn't that there was friction and fracture,
because that's in every great partnership that you know, when
(45:13):
you put like two geniuses in a room, there's gonna
be that. But they're also going to create something that
could change the world. And I think that these two
guys did that, and they did it for a lot
longer than than should have happened. And if they'd run
the course that the Niners and the Steelers and maybe
even the Packers had run, it would have come apart
(45:33):
a lot sooner, maybe in two thousand ten or two
thousand eleven, or certainly two thousand twelve. But this is
different because they keep going, and so it's by the
time you get to twenty years, you know, two thousand nineteen,
it's like it's just there's not a defining moment where
you say, there it is, that was the straw that
broke the camel's back. I just think that instead, it's
(45:54):
more that they finally reached the end of the road.
And that is why I made the comparison between Lennon
and McCartney and Belichick and Brady, because I really think
it fits here. I think it works. It's not an
overstatement to say the two greatest rock stars have changed
the music industry. We're fifty years removed from you know,
(46:15):
when the Beatles were the Beatles, and we still look
at them as the best. I really think fifty years
from now, sports historians and fans will look back at
this moment and say, the Belichick Brady partnership it's still
the best one, and it's because they did more than
anybody else. Could it also be the Gazelle Bunchen is
(46:37):
the Yoko ono to to to this uh To, to
this duo. No, I don't think so. I think I would.
I would. I understand why you're saying that. I would
actually describe her quite differently. I think Yoko is probably
rightfully UH looked at by a lot of people as
(46:57):
the one of the sources that broke up the Beatles.
I think in Gill's case, she was probably very helpful
in keeping things together because of the way that she
UH is with Tom. I think if you see Tom
versus Time in that film, uh, which I thought was
very honest and showed some some great insights into that.
(47:19):
I mean, look, she's a she's like the ultimate partner,
and I think that New England was lucky that she
was on the scene for this ride. It's it's called
the Dynasty. The author, Jeff Benedet, kind of to spend
some time with this. Pick it up wherever you Kindle, Amazon,
wherever you get your books. It is an absolute fabulous read. Jeff,
(47:40):
thanks so much for joining us, incredible insight and look
forward to speaking to you again in the near future.
Thanks so much, appreciate it. The pleasure is absolutely all mine.
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