September 25, 2020 • 37 mins
Doug previews the Packers vs Saints where Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees face off and why he thinks ROdgers will prove to be the better QB. Plus, former NFL scout John Middlekauff joins the show to break down the week 3 NFL games.
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. What Up Doug Gotleip Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Uh, the world is starting to come
back a little bit. To order Doug Gotlip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Man, there are just so many
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sporting events going on. I believe we have Stanley Cup
hockey tonight, right, the finals tonight? Right game I'm gonna
go five. I'm gonna go Game five. I'm gonna go
Game five, Ramas, is that right? Is the game five tonight?
I think it's nope, Game four? Game four. The Lightning
have a two to one lead over the Dallas Stars.
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If you knew, Dangan, I should have done a quiz
who's actually in the Stanley Cup Finals? Sorry about that?
If I gave that away, could have been a really
good trivia question. We've got a great show for you.
John mittalkof is gonna join us in twenty minutes. We
get his thoughts on on a bunch of different topics,
concluding this one. In the last two weeks, we've talked
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about aging quarterbacks and Ryan fits Magic look great. Last
night I called out his age heading into the game
at thirty seven years old, like that's never mentioned. The
fact he went to Harvard has always mentioned. And I
think that the thirties seven years old is more important
than the fact that he went to Harvard. But but
I regret I digress. Michael Thomas is likely to be
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out again. According to Matt la Floor, Davante Adams is
probably doubtful. That is that is very funny, right, He's
probably doubtful. Is he probable or is he doubtful? He's
probably doubtful. Okay, So it looks like both teams will
be without their top wide receivers. Both teams have star
running backs. Both teams have secondary wide receivers that are
pretty good. I do like the um Packers defense slightly
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more than I like the Saints defense. Maybe that's because
I saw Malcolm Jenkins just get torched last week by
Julian Edelman. But this is Chris Sims. When I asked
him Aboutdrew Brees at this point in his career. This
is two weeks in a row. I mean, we've seen
underwhelming throws where you go, oh, that was complete, but
the guy had to fall to the ground of the catch.
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It balls that are anywhere past ten to twelve yards
down field, going any in which direction. It's that they're
not accurate. So this has been an issue with the
New Orleans Saints for a number of years. They've found
ways to mask it. In the past. They saw the
successful teams took away Camara underneath, took away Michael Thomas underneath,
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made Drew rethrow the ball down the field, and like
you said, that's not one of his strengths. Right now,
when Pedro Martinez is peak Pedro, okay, and I would contend,
And by are you telling me if you think I'm wrong,
Ron Les, you watch it on of Baseball Music. I'm
not trying to disrespect you. But when Pedro was peaked Pedro,
you were in high school. Okay, when Pedro Pedro Martinez
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is the best picture I have seen in my lifetime. Now,
I I I love Greg Maddox and he was a tactician,
he was amazing John Spolts is the best clutch pitcher
I've seen, and he had the ability to do it
as a starter, as a reliever. And for me, he's
the best broadcaster maybe a Major League baseball history, uh,
in terms of teaching me and showing me what's forecasting,
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foreshadowing teaching me baseball at the same time. But Pedro
Martinez is the best actual thrower of a baseball I've
ever seen as a starter. And and no, there are
no there's no perfect players, there's no perfect people, there's
no perfect pictures. So I say that because Pedro had
a flaw. Heck, Mario Rivera is the best closure I've
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seen in my lifetime. He they got twice Blue World
Series twice once it was the Red Sox, it was
the Alcs, but the Dime Backs that was on him.
Pago Martinez during the peak of the steroid era, Okay,
seven one pot nine oh e r A thirteen complete games.
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Thirteen complete games is insane. Uh. In ninety nine he
had twenty three wins, which led twenty three and four
two point oh seven r A also led major League baseball.
He had three d and thirteen strikeouts. That's the peak
of the steroid era, he was just filth, filth, filth.
The following year one, he still again still in Boston.
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One point seven four e r A two four strikeouts
led the Lake. And it's not just that like two strikeouts,
thirty two walks, crazy numbers. Um. Look, he had other
moments later on with Boston when they finally won a
World Series, But what was the what was the flaw
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to Pedro Martinez? Which what's crazy about pet is when
they when the Red Sox finally won it. You know,
when they finally when they finally won the World Series
against St. Louis Cardinals, that was not Pique Pedro Martinez
when they lost. Does everybody remember what happened when they lost? Buyer?
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Do you we were two thousand three? Where were you?
I remember exactly where I was. Do you remember where
they were when when when they lost to the uh
to the Yankees in the Alcs? Do you remember where
you were? I don't. I know where I was in
my life, but I don't remember. I was in Madison, Wisconsin,
school work. I only remember where I was that I
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just started in National radio, okay, and I was working
when they got named Chuck Wilson we're doing game night.
It's a late night show, and I just I so
distinctly remember at the end of the sixth inning, Grady
Little takes it. He comes to the dugout and he
shakes everybody's hands, and you're like, he's done. What a
great performance. They're going to the bullpen, They're gonna go
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to the World Series. It was Game six of the
World Series, Game six of the ALCS. I remember it.
And what happened afterwards was they left him in just
too left him in too long. And when they left
him in too long, suddenly now he became hittable. Because well,
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that's what happens to Pedro Martinez. After he got past
a hundred it was a hundred pitch barrier, and I
think throwing a baseball, throwing a baseball, and and look
in the ALCS that that year. You know, um, he pitched,
he went into the seventh inning and he got got
lit up. But Pedro Martinez was at that point in time,
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once you got two hundred pitches, suddenly he became hittable.
And why do they become hittable when they get to
a hundred pitches? You know, when you're in your early thirties,
you start to lose your accuracy. Everybody, I believe everybody
thinks that, did you play RBI baseball as a kid? Mary?
Play RBI baseball in a video game? And when you
start to get tired, instead of throwing a hundred miles,
now you throw like ninety six and it became hittable.
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Right if you throw became ninety That's not actually the
way it works. What really happens is when you get tired,
the first thing to go is not the velocity. It's
the accuracy. And then after the accuracy, it's the velocity.
That's what happens in pitching. That's what it hurt Pedro
Martinez is he would miss by two inches, and you
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missed by two inches, and they hit it out of
the ballpark where it hasn't landed yet. That's what happens.
The same thing happens with Drew Brees. It's not just
that he's losing velocity and the ability to throw the
football downfil he hasn't had that years. He plays in
a dome and hides his arm strength issues. You know,
he plays uh eight a year in the dome, plus
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in Atlanta in a dome nine games guaranteed in a
dome per year. Look at his numbers. He's basically one
for one touchdown interceptions when he's open air as opposed
to playing in a dome. Different guy, because now it
gets exposed even worse. But what's happened now is he's
hit that hundred pitch mark and now the crossing routes, okay,
the accuracy things, he starts to miss on those more
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and more often, and when you miss by six inches
it changes the game completely. Now you face against Aaron
Rodgers and you start to understand that Aaron Rodgers has
been doing everything he's doing out and open air with
a stronger arm. And by the way, Aaron Rodgers, by
all accounts, worked on his lower body because he felt
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like he had he'd gotten to you know what, whether
it was who he was dating at the time or
different life things, but he had changed his diet. He
really gotten in last year. Whereas he's gotten thicker and
more muscular, he's really driving the football now breezes the
cautionary tale and probably one of the big reasons that
the Packers were right to draft Jordan's Love because at
some point that accuracy and some of that armstring starts
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to go. But the difference between the two is so
vast it will be alarming when you watch it this weekend,
because you have to be fair, right, they're both gonna
probably be without their top wide receiver. Alright, They're both
going against good, not great defenses. But you take away
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a guy that takes two people, a cornerback and a
safety essentially off the football field, it changes dramatically. They
both have star running backs who can catch it out
of the backfield. Aaron Jones a little bit, remember running
it obviously. But I think you're gonna look at those
two quarterbacks like, man, how how could I even compare him?
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And And granted they're like what five years apart in age,
but the difference the has them between the two is gigantic.
And you will see it Sunday on the field in
New Orleans. And and I tell people all the time
what what goes is not it's not that they can't
throw it deep. Has nothing to do with that. People like, well,
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you can do it, look, you still throw it deep. No,
it's that they can't throw it deep accurately. These guys
are wizards, I mean wizards with a football where they
know exactly. They know the wide receiver they like. It's
like a mental calculation of They don't actually think calculation.
They just know exactly where to throw it, when to
throw it, how far to throw it. But when you're
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starting to when you have to compensate for lack of
arm strength, now a sudden you might gun the football,
but you're gonna miss. And when you miss, that's when
you give up home runs. That's when you give up
pick six is. That's when you look old. That's when
you can't make the big play. The right play at
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the right moment is a It's about pinpoint precision, accuracy, anticipation,
and the ability to do it in the toughest of stereos.
Coming up next, we have completely discredited the value of
one position in the world of sports. You'll see it tonight.
You'll see it's Sunday in one NFL game. I'll explain
it all next. Be sure to catch the live edition
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of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio ah APP. I was listening to Calherd Show
earlier day, which you know it's interesting. I one of
the things I like working at Fox Sports better than
working in other places is we go back and forth
at each other, whether on social media or in person
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or on each other's shows, and call out each other,
and like that's kind of as long as you know,
make it personal, Like that's kind of what sports is about.
If I go actually based on your sports opinion or
things that you said, I just go like, yeah, okay,
So this Allen did a He didn't evenew where I
Colin was wrong. He just admitted he was wrong about
the Patriots. By the way, my picks are next hour
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Patriots taken on a Raiders team suddenly with injury news.
But I think that that admitting Colin admitting he was
wrong about the Patriots is not just admitting, hey, Cam
Newton's healthier than we thought. It's not hey, the Dolphins
aren't as far along as we thought. It's not the
Seahawks defense is not particularly good. It's we had We've
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we've gotten to this point in sports, and we we
did it all along with Phil Jackson. So last night
I was getting ready for bed and my son wanted
to watch something, and I said, you know, to take
the laptop and or the iPad or whatever. Let's watch
something on Netflix. So, without my prodding, without anything, he
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put the last dance. Now, when the last dance play.
We talked about it a bunch on air, but he
didn't really, he didn't really locked in and watch. You know,
during quarantine, stuff was shut down. We were doing all
he was doing all kinds of other stuff just around
the house. And for whatever reason, maybe he was a
lot of talking. There was a lot of game action.
He just wasn't. And and and it was at an
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earlier hour. When you're at late at night, you don't
have to see as much. Actually you can listen to
the words that are being said. Anyway, we watched the
episode one. He loved it. He was really into it.
He's asking about Phil Jackson. What makes Phil Jackson a
great coach? I said, well, he hired text Winner, who
your grandpa my father used to work for at Long
Beach States and innovative offensive coach. His system. His system
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put guys into places, so when Michael Jordan's would get
the ball in specific spots, he knew where everybody was.
It's a it's a offense that is based upon wherever
the next pascos you have a specific place or cut
you're supposed to make on the floor. It's so it's
complex and simple all at the same time. It's like wow,
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I said, Yeah, I said. And Phil Jackson was a
great manager of egos, a great motivator. He knew every
guy was different. He had meetings with people, he had
great talks with people. Wasn't just about what he would
drop on a whiteboard. It was about so many other things.
So you know, I I I feel like this thing
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that we do is really, really sinister, and we've done
it with the Patriots. It's the perfect jumping off point.
And we're not even paying attention to what's happening in basketball.
Lebron wins, and all I hear is man Lebron he
stopped Jamal Murray. Like, okay, I would also tell you
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that their game planning is fantastic. Did you know how
many threes did Jamal Murray have? He only took three.
He didn't make any of them. Like, do yourself a
favor and check out Jamal Murray's stats in the bubble,
Jamal Murray's uh stats in the playoffs, like Jamal Murray's
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stats against the Lakers. Go ahead, pull him up I'll
give you, I'll give you a second. They all include
the same exact thing, which is, well, you know, um
a lot of threes. Jamal Murray was was ninth the
entire playoffs and scoring twenty six a game. He was
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getting nine point four of them, uh, nine point four
points per game in the fourth quarter. But more than anything,
Jamal Murray's been killing people based upon his ability to
hit deep late threes. Look at his situationals. You can
go online look at his situational stats. Right when they win,
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he hits threes. When they lose, he does not. It
really is it really is that simple, and they ran
them off the line, and what is that? What is
that about that? That, frankly is about coaching. That's really
what it is. You know, in games in which the
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Denver Nuggets have won, all right, he's even making on
average for three is a game. On games in which
they lose, no, he's making two and a half. Three
is a game. So it some of it is game planning,
not just percentages, but game planning, in other words, coaching.
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Frank Vogel has gotten almost zero credit for what he
has done playing Dwight Howard Moore understanding how the matchups work, Like,
is Cam Newton healthier? Yeah? They change the offense short?
Is that Josh? Yes? But but do you really think
that Bill Belichick like Tom Brady is great? Do you
think that Bill Belichick isn't a huge and maybe the
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biggest part of why the Patriots have been so good?
I get I guess the biggest problem I have with
it is maybe it's maybe it is that once we
get to professional sports, we give so much credit to
the players who become so pro player that we don't
realize how big a factor coaching is. I mean, heck,
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look at the Miami Heat. They're gonna play in the
NBA finals. Brad Steve is excellent coach, But you know what,
Eric Spoelster has probably been better. And while Eric Spoelstra
is different and more evolved and probably better now than
he was when Lebron James was there, the fact is
that has anyone mentioned that Eric Spoelstra went to four
straight NBA finals? Has that ever been mentioned? Have you
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ever heard that uttered anywhere? You know? Erik Spoelsen went
to four straight NBA finals and when he had Lebron James.
I'm not gonna tell you that Lebron James and Dwyane
Wade and Chris Bosh weren't super talented, but there have
been really talented teams that have not achieved their destiny.
I guess. I guess. Here's the point. Coaching matters, and
here's the best way I can tell you. In your job. Okay,
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you may be in sales work for a striker, but
who your sales manager is really important in your level success.
I've had other radio shows that I've done, but the
ones that are the best and that I do the
best on are the ones that I have the best
management people who put you in the best position to succeed,
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believing you. But then they'll question you when you're not
prepared or doing it right or whatever. Like management matters
in your job, So why wouldn't coaching matter. It's like
we've totally forgotten about that. We've well, you know it's
Tom Brady, Bill beltics nothing without Tom Brady. Okay, he
won ten games in Matt Castle didn't start a game
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in college football. Hey, they look like a playoff team
despite the fact that the most guys opt out because
of COVID and they lost a six time Super Bowl
champion quarterback and got a guy off the scrap heap
who didn't have O t AS or offseason PROBA gonna
work with them. If you don't think coaching matters, you're
just too locked in on how great the players are
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to pay attention to the reality. Be sure to catch
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John Mittelkoff joins US three and Out is the podcast
you can hear in the Herd podcast how work. Over
a million people of months download that podcast. I'm one
of them. It's great. Um, all right, let's let's start
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with last night. Does it Does it end? The Gardner Minshew?
Is the long term solution thing? I mean, it's a
short week, but in their best receiver was out. I
don't think it ends the discussion. But yeah, I mean
you get the opportunity at Trevor Lawrence. You're gonna take
Trevor Lawrence over Gardner Minshew. Now, if you're just you know,
win six seven games, do you do you roll it back? Maybe?
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I think that's the real conversation, not as Gardner Minshew.
The next you know Aaron Rodgers, Right, Okay, so there's
a bunch there. Actually, I think you you you you
started something which I want to get into this. This
is the great thing governments. She didn't have his best
wide receiver. We're gonna watch the Packers and the Saints
without their best wide receivers. Is that the the telltale
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for who's the quarterbacks of the real deal? Right? Like,
if you can make it work without your top wide receiver,
because the best wide receivers in the league. It's it's
not simple, but it's kind of simple. You look up
and you see one guy over there in the safety.
You know it's one safety high. You know where you're going.
If not, it's like a guy and a half away
from the rest of the football field. And those guys
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are that Could you take that away? And now you
see what the quarterback has made up? Is that a
fair I understand that every situation, every guy in every
receiving corps is different to himself, but isn't that a
fair way. Hey, we don't have our top wide receiver.
Now we see what the quarterbacks really got. I think
it's a fair way to evaluate a guy over a
month or over eight games stretch if it's just a
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one off I mean, who who even knows? I mean
we you know there's a reason, Like in the scouting community,
you never put like when a team is getting ready
for an opponent, they watch right now, it's tough, but
you watch three or four games, you know Belichick probably
watches like eight. I mean so when you're evaluating putting
a scouting report on a player, and definitely you know
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in free agency reports and in draft reports, you're watching
a large sample size. Now, like you bring up Breeze.
The one thing with Michael Thomas right, a large percentage
of their offense is built around throwing him the ball.
How many I mean he had He led the league
in targets last year. He had a hundred and whatever
forty catches, Like he is a huge part of their offense.
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And with Rogers, like on this team, like back in
the day they had Jordy, they also had Davante, they
had Randall cop like, they had a lot of weapons,
so he spread it out on this team, like missing
Davante is a big issue. I see it with the
Niners with Kiddle, like you have specific Like with the
Falcons overall, they they over time have had a lot
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of options. To me, it just depends how your team
is built. But yeah, like a max quarterback, even with
just some random guys over a month period of time,
should be able to elevate random guys for sure. Doug
Otlive Show here on Fox Sports Radio. How bad do
you think the problems are with Breeze's arm? Right here?
Here's what I liken to doo Okay, and you know,
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for people don't know, you know, you used to work
in college football and pro football at Scott in departments. Um,
I liken it to baseball right when when guys, you know,
like when Paedro Martinez would get past a hundred pitches,
it wasn't the velocity that would go, It was the accuracy.
Accuracy is the first thing to go. And what a
lot of people point out to me is like, hey, look,
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Drew Brees hasn't done the ball and foot downfield a
long time. What's changed now though, is, um, you know,
any of the crossing routes or some of the easier
throws he misses on so it hurts your yards after
the catch? Is that the bigger issue with Breeze heading forward? Yeah?
I mean he's never had a great arm, right, He's
never thrown if he was a baseball equivalent like if
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Mahomes or Jeers are throwing even in breezes peak, what
was he throwing like ninety one? Right? But he had
like Greg Maddox level location. Him and Steve Young most
accurate quarterbacks of all time. I agree with that. To me,
once when you're throwing one, once you start throwing like
I've seen it with the Giants over the years, like
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guys like Jake Peve and Tim Hudson when they acquire
him late in their career, it's batting practice. And with
breeze it's the equivalent of like, your accuracy is just off.
Well these corners. The reason we make such a big
deal about the forty time is because running a four
four two and running a four five oh is the
difference of getting a finger on a ball or the
ball completion right. It's it's milliseconds, and I think you
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just see the balls a little late. It's not quite
there on time. He's always been kind of like Rivers
and like Peyton rhythm timing. He's throwing the ball like
he has to know the offense like the back of
his hand. Because he has to have the ball out
before the guys even turning, because he can't like a
Rodgers or Mahomes. Even if he's late, it doesn't matter.
He's throwing Hunter out out of fastball in there. So
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I just see a guy who skills. It's not like
the Peyton Manning. Wouldn't you agree? It is like one
of the worst things we've ever seen that final year,
Like he just he fell off a cliff. That's not
even Brady is the same thing. They're just diminishing slightly.
But but especially with Breeze, his margin for error because
of his arms strength was really really small. And I
think that's why Philip Rivers gets in trouble, just because
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when they were a little off, it's they they they
see something and they almost have to hope that's what
they're they're reading it correctly early and if something changes,
it's here's what you'll you'll you'll like this. John Miokoff,
our guest in the Doug Gotlip Show. I talked to
somebody at the Bears a couple of years ago and
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I called him after the after they came back against
the Lions, and I said, what, what's what's the story
with Mitch, and he said, you know, it's kind of
the same thing, which is when he gets up there
and he sees it and he knows what he's looking at,
he's great. And that's why he's better when you play fast,
because the reeds are simpler and you get rid of
it quicker. It's like, but when something surprises him midplay
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and it's not what he thought, now it's it becomes
a mess, and he's thinking, and he's just he should
be just better off running it if he doesn't see
what he thought he saw, right, Okay, So I that's
the same thing with with uh Philip Rivers, and I
with Manning late in his career, and I think we're
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getting there a little bit with Brady, which is they see,
they know, they process so much like, oh, I know
what this is, I know the answer to it, and
they get there, they get a stand the ball and
then sometime, you know, these defenses they change late and
all of a sudden it fools them, but they've already
kind of committed to I have this small window I
have to throw the ball, and if everything is perfect,
they look brilliant, but if it's not, they're guessing. They're
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throwing a half second too early to a spot and
everything has to work out to the wide receiver to
get to that spot, and to me, it can work
the other way. To like far the best example, like
he ever sees anything he doesn't think he could make.
You see it with Stafford a lot, who I think
has developed just some bad habits. And it's not all
his fault. He's had terrible coaching. But the pick he
threw against the Bears game in Week one when they
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were up, the Bears were storming back and he throws
a pick that ends up leading to the game winning touchdown,
like that, in fairness to breathe like he would never
throw that ball. So there's just there's a balance that
just kind of creates greatness. And that's why I think
like Mahomes has become such a star. He's got it
all right. And then you see like Watson kind of
goes back and forth, and and Russell's now kind of
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feels like he's figured it all out, and Rogers kind
of going throw back. It's just it's just really hard
position to play. In the moment you lose. To me,
it's just like do you lose any confidence because to
be breezes skills like they are what they are to me?
Is he is he thinking twice about it? Now? Is
he going, I don't know if I should do this?
And you know, in the peak of his powers, it
was just like bang bang boom, and it was you
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look ups, you know, thirty eight touchdowns and offensive records. Clearly,
I think it's somewhat in his head. How would it
not be when you're fury years old? Um Russell Wilson.
If I was going to offer a critique that I've
heard from some people, is hey, you know he is
taking these negative plays and sacks because he he loves
those incredible you know, uh uh completion percentage numbers. Is
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that a fair criticism? I someone told me the other
day because I was texting about Rogers and Russ, because
if you watch Rogers, I know you have, he looks
like Pete Rodgers right now. He's just got both middle
fingers up. He's out for blood. And listen Russ's numbers,
I mean, nine touchdowns through two games and just you know,
a plus percentage just been incredible. The one knock. I mean,
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this is like you know, geeky scouting stuff is like
they will say on first down, on early downs, he'll
miss some stuff, whether he doesn't see it, whether he's like,
you know, I'll just do something else, and he knows
like in the back of his head, I'll just bail
us out in later downs, or I'll just make a
crazy play out of my you know what. So it's like,
is he the perfect player? Like no, you know, but
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who really is? Um? Yeah? I mean I I think
as long as you make the like at the end
of the day, the point of a possession, right is
to score a touchdown. So even if you do leave
something on the field, like, who really cares if he
ultimately gets it done. Now, their margin for error because
like big picture, right is, their defense is not gonna
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be that great. Their pass rush looks pretty pedestrian. They
can't cover. So in a type game, not all these
games are gonna be these crazy shootouts. We see it
every year when the playoffs come, it gets really, really
hard and every possession is magnified. You know, does that
cost him in a big game because let's face it,
like they have been and it's not all this fault.
Last year, I won't blame him at all. The team
was fifteen guys heard but it's gonna come down to
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a possession or two. So if you screw up, you know,
a play a series in the second quarter can cost
you a you know, a big playoff game against you know,
the Niners, the Rams, the Saints, whoever, you know the
team you end up playing in the playoffs. John mine
Off our guest and the Doug Gotlives show on Fox
Sports Radio. Um, are the Texans fixable? Yeah? To me,
(29:09):
their defense is just too terrible and it's hard to
get back on track when you can't get stops because
then all the pressure goes to your offense, and their
offense doesn't really have like like a bail like an
equivalent golf like some bailout club just to hit the fairway.
Was Hopkins and he's now gone. I mean, they're depending
on the speed demons who multiply. You know, one gets
a concussion all the time, the other always pulls his hamstring. Uh,
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there's kind of this elephant in the room from the outside,
I don't know how much it affects the team, just
like has Bill O'Brien screwed up this team and our schedules?
Just I mean, you you open up with the Chiefs
and Ravens like, welcome to the NFL. I said, you know,
welcome to two thousand points. That's pretty tough. I think
it's gonna be really tough. It might just be the
you know, the year where you look up and you know,
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a team with the Shawn Watson somehow they're like five
and eleven and the Miami Dolphins are ecstatic because they
have their first round pick. Yeah, it's uh, it is
like when aren't they more likely in your mind finished
five wins and like eight or nine wins? Yes, yeah,
just flawed. Well, they're flawed and they were overscheduled early.
And while eventually that will even out, I think, you know,
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oftentimes I've I've done this before, like the mcveigh's first
year with the Rams. I don't know if you remember
this Vase first year with the Rams. They opened up
with the Colts and that was the first game that
was before they they they traded for Jacoby Brissett, right
and they had what was the long time Scott Tolzine started.
And I watched the preseason game against against the Cowboys
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and I called one of my NFL buddies. I was like,
have you seen the Colts This series, Like, you know,
I'm paying attention to my own club, but we were
looking at their roster for cuts and guys, there's not much.
I was like, they're terrible. It was the first year
they changed genlem manager. Maybe the yeah, the the year
they changed general managers, and they just had no talent
at all. And they started started Scott Tolzine and their
second game was I think against the Niners. And this
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is before the Niners got Jimmy g Right. And the
idea is you get off to two and O start
and you may not be that good, but you kind
of think you are, and he has some confidence and
if you don't get injured. Like they're the opposite. They
started with this murderers row schedule, and they haven't played
well and their defense is not that good. They're not
beating Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh. I don't care if there's fans
or no fans. They're not beating I don't I don't
see them beating that team. And you started out oh
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and three and you start questioning everything O'Brien has already
been on, you know, under under duress. I don't see
it getting it and better agreed John Middlekaufar guests in
the Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um Raiders.
You see the Raiders, you like? I was a big
proponent of the Gruden plan, but I also mentioned, like
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all right was the Saints. They didn't have Michael Thomas
was at home. Granted no fans, but a lot of energy.
How good are the Raiders? Really well? Their offense is
really good. Now, I just saw before I hopped on
with you, Rugs is out and I know it's Rugs
in that Monday night game drew multiple penalties. I mean,
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the fastest guy on the field like that, when you
run a four two, you don't have to catch a
ball to impact the game. Waller clearly. I had a
coach on the staff tell me in training camp like
he's our best player. I mean he doesn't. You don't
need to be Bill Walsh to watch a half of
the Raiders and go, yeah, guys unstoppable. So if if
he's not healthy like that, those two guys, especially going
up against Belichick this week, to me, is gonna be tough.
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Huge win. Monday Night, so short week against Belichick coming
off a loss. Who's had a day on you The
picture with the cut sweatter, I think kind of symbolize
like one, they probably got home like six am on
Monday morning, right because they flew across the country going
west to east, and then Belichick you know, wakes up
realizing that the the Raiders got some pieces on on offense.
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Then he watches the game, so he probably doesn't sleep
much Monday night. I I could see Belichick on a
mission with some things like historically Derek Beside the one
year it struggled against really good defensive coordinators, and I
think Belichick could have some you know, tricks up a sleep.
The other thing is like Seattle, the Raiders defense, their
corners aren't great, They don't have much of a pass rush,
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so could they can they get into a shootout with
New England without rugs? And you know if Wallers banged up,
They got a schedule these next three weeks Patriots, Bills, Chiefs.
So I think we're gonna find out a lot if
you know, the Raiders, because I think it's pretty clear
like they have a playoff level offense, but you gotta
get to probably nine wins to get that wild card
spot in these next three weeks. If they could win
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two out of three of them to meet their lock
playoff team. If they win one out of two and
it doesn't look that great, maybe you start going name.
It's gonna be little harder and we think John great
stuff man. Enjoy the games this weekend. Can't wait to
see the pod three and outs podcast download. Just fall
them on social media. Great insight on a daily basis.
Thanks for being our guest. Have a good weekend. Next
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Search f s R to listen live here. Shannon Sharp
talking about Lebron taking Jamal Murray at the end of
the last night's game. Jackson, Hey, I want Jamal Murray.
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All I want to know is name the time you've
seen other guys do that. Y'all just turned it down.
We saw Jimmy Bucket is happy going in game one,
and y'all just want to know parts of it. We
saw what Jamal Murray did to Kauai and Paul Georgian
games five, six, and seven in the fourth quarter, you
saw my god, Dan, I don't okay, but like I
(34:45):
like kngaruent arguments, and that's what he's trying to make
for just this time in the bubble. Obviously, we don't know,
like Janice is a better defensive player at this point
his career than Lebron is, sorry, and we don't know
in terms of games. I don't know in terms of
foul trouble or what the thinking was. They didn't lose
because of who Janice guarded or didn't guard. I thought
Lebron was great, and I think Lebron knowing that he
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cans is not going to be a foul called on him,
is really really smart basketball. It should also be pointed
out he tried to guard Kevin Durant at the end
of the NBA Finals two years row and he got
lit up in the second half by Kevin Red couldn't
guard him, so um and and like he's the spot,
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like you can you you pick out something you like
about it, Like, look, Lebron can't guard Kawhi Leonard, can't
struggle with Jamal Murray's a kid who's been hitting unbelievable
shots and difficult shots, and he played well. Lebron played really,
really well. He did it for a short portion of
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the game. Let's not act like he took Jamal Murray
the entire game and said, you're not scoring and Jamal
Murray didn't do anything right. I mean that that that's
we're just we're making these things up that are just
the like like, yeah, we went from the fish being
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this big big he took him, he shut him down.
Everybody else stayed home, like, yeah, the Lakers were up four.
On the very first possession, he Guarden. What happened, Lebron
foul Jamal Murray. It's called a foul. The second possession,
they're still up four and Murray turned the basketball over um.
(36:37):
The third possession, Paul Millsap hits the three because he
beat Lebron James to the basket and he kicks out
for a Millsap three. Then you know, then the fourth possession,
Lebron James had the block shot. The fifth possession, there
was a drive and it was probably a foul on Lebron.
(36:59):
Like that's it, that's really all that happened. We're like, oh,
Lebron James. He shut him down like there's seven possessions
where he guarded him, five in which he was really involved,
and he had one, one great defensive play and one
that looked like a foul. That's it. Say um, all right,
(37:20):
we have our we have our picks next hour, we
have a guest next hour, and we have this Odell
Beckham Jr. Is saying all the right things. It's like
somebody handed him a script and he's on script. It's perfect.
That's great. For now. I'll tell you why. It's just
for now. It's not all his fault. It's next to
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. What Up Doug Gotleip Show,
Fox Sports Radio. Uh, the world is starting to come
back a little bit. To order Doug Gotlip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Man, there are just so many
(00:44):
sporting events going on. I believe we have Stanley Cup
hockey tonight, right, the finals tonight? Right game I'm gonna
go five. I'm gonna go Game five. I'm gonna go
Game five, Ramas, is that right? Is the game five tonight?
I think it's nope, Game four? Game four. The Lightning
have a two to one lead over the Dallas Stars.
(01:04):
If you knew, Dangan, I should have done a quiz
who's actually in the Stanley Cup Finals? Sorry about that?
If I gave that away, could have been a really
good trivia question. We've got a great show for you.
John mittalkof is gonna join us in twenty minutes. We
get his thoughts on on a bunch of different topics,
concluding this one. In the last two weeks, we've talked
(01:27):
about aging quarterbacks and Ryan fits Magic look great. Last
night I called out his age heading into the game
at thirty seven years old, like that's never mentioned. The
fact he went to Harvard has always mentioned. And I
think that the thirties seven years old is more important
than the fact that he went to Harvard. But but
I regret I digress. Michael Thomas is likely to be
(01:50):
out again. According to Matt la Floor, Davante Adams is
probably doubtful. That is that is very funny, right, He's
probably doubtful. Is he probable or is he doubtful? He's
probably doubtful. Okay, So it looks like both teams will
be without their top wide receivers. Both teams have star
running backs. Both teams have secondary wide receivers that are
pretty good. I do like the um Packers defense slightly
(02:15):
more than I like the Saints defense. Maybe that's because
I saw Malcolm Jenkins just get torched last week by
Julian Edelman. But this is Chris Sims. When I asked
him Aboutdrew Brees at this point in his career. This
is two weeks in a row. I mean, we've seen
underwhelming throws where you go, oh, that was complete, but
the guy had to fall to the ground of the catch.
(02:36):
It balls that are anywhere past ten to twelve yards
down field, going any in which direction. It's that they're
not accurate. So this has been an issue with the
New Orleans Saints for a number of years. They've found
ways to mask it. In the past. They saw the
successful teams took away Camara underneath, took away Michael Thomas underneath,
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made Drew rethrow the ball down the field, and like
you said, that's not one of his strengths. Right now,
when Pedro Martinez is peak Pedro, okay, and I would contend,
And by are you telling me if you think I'm wrong,
Ron Les, you watch it on of Baseball Music. I'm
not trying to disrespect you. But when Pedro was peaked Pedro,
you were in high school. Okay, when Pedro Pedro Martinez
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is the best picture I have seen in my lifetime. Now,
I I I love Greg Maddox and he was a tactician,
he was amazing John Spolts is the best clutch pitcher
I've seen, and he had the ability to do it
as a starter, as a reliever. And for me, he's
the best broadcaster maybe a Major League baseball history, uh,
in terms of teaching me and showing me what's forecasting,
(03:42):
foreshadowing teaching me baseball at the same time. But Pedro
Martinez is the best actual thrower of a baseball I've
ever seen as a starter. And and no, there are
no there's no perfect players, there's no perfect people, there's
no perfect pictures. So I say that because Pedro had
a flaw. Heck, Mario Rivera is the best closure I've
(04:04):
seen in my lifetime. He they got twice Blue World
Series twice once it was the Red Sox, it was
the Alcs, but the Dime Backs that was on him.
Pago Martinez during the peak of the steroid era, Okay,
seven one pot nine oh e r A thirteen complete games.
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Thirteen complete games is insane. Uh. In ninety nine he
had twenty three wins, which led twenty three and four
two point oh seven r A also led major League baseball.
He had three d and thirteen strikeouts. That's the peak
of the steroid era, he was just filth, filth, filth.
The following year one, he still again still in Boston.
(04:50):
One point seven four e r A two four strikeouts
led the Lake. And it's not just that like two strikeouts,
thirty two walks, crazy numbers. Um. Look, he had other
moments later on with Boston when they finally won a
World Series, But what was the what was the flaw
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to Pedro Martinez? Which what's crazy about pet is when
they when the Red Sox finally won it. You know,
when they finally when they finally won the World Series
against St. Louis Cardinals, that was not Pique Pedro Martinez
when they lost. Does everybody remember what happened when they lost? Buyer?
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Do you we were two thousand three? Where were you?
I remember exactly where I was. Do you remember where
they were when when when they lost to the uh
to the Yankees in the Alcs? Do you remember where
you were? I don't. I know where I was in
my life, but I don't remember. I was in Madison, Wisconsin,
school work. I only remember where I was that I
(05:55):
just started in National radio, okay, and I was working
when they got named Chuck Wilson we're doing game night.
It's a late night show, and I just I so
distinctly remember at the end of the sixth inning, Grady
Little takes it. He comes to the dugout and he
shakes everybody's hands, and you're like, he's done. What a
great performance. They're going to the bullpen, They're gonna go
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to the World Series. It was Game six of the
World Series, Game six of the ALCS. I remember it.
And what happened afterwards was they left him in just
too left him in too long. And when they left
him in too long, suddenly now he became hittable. Because well,
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that's what happens to Pedro Martinez. After he got past
a hundred it was a hundred pitch barrier, and I
think throwing a baseball, throwing a baseball, and and look
in the ALCS that that year. You know, um, he pitched,
he went into the seventh inning and he got got
lit up. But Pedro Martinez was at that point in time,
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once you got two hundred pitches, suddenly he became hittable.
And why do they become hittable when they get to
a hundred pitches? You know, when you're in your early thirties,
you start to lose your accuracy. Everybody, I believe everybody
thinks that, did you play RBI baseball as a kid? Mary?
Play RBI baseball in a video game? And when you
start to get tired, instead of throwing a hundred miles,
now you throw like ninety six and it became hittable.
(07:25):
Right if you throw became ninety That's not actually the
way it works. What really happens is when you get tired,
the first thing to go is not the velocity. It's
the accuracy. And then after the accuracy, it's the velocity.
That's what happens in pitching. That's what it hurt Pedro
Martinez is he would miss by two inches, and you
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missed by two inches, and they hit it out of
the ballpark where it hasn't landed yet. That's what happens.
The same thing happens with Drew Brees. It's not just
that he's losing velocity and the ability to throw the
football downfil he hasn't had that years. He plays in
a dome and hides his arm strength issues. You know,
he plays uh eight a year in the dome, plus
(08:07):
in Atlanta in a dome nine games guaranteed in a
dome per year. Look at his numbers. He's basically one
for one touchdown interceptions when he's open air as opposed
to playing in a dome. Different guy, because now it
gets exposed even worse. But what's happened now is he's
hit that hundred pitch mark and now the crossing routes, okay,
the accuracy things, he starts to miss on those more
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and more often, and when you miss by six inches
it changes the game completely. Now you face against Aaron
Rodgers and you start to understand that Aaron Rodgers has
been doing everything he's doing out and open air with
a stronger arm. And by the way, Aaron Rodgers, by
all accounts, worked on his lower body because he felt
(08:52):
like he had he'd gotten to you know what, whether
it was who he was dating at the time or
different life things, but he had changed his diet. He
really gotten in last year. Whereas he's gotten thicker and
more muscular, he's really driving the football now breezes the
cautionary tale and probably one of the big reasons that
the Packers were right to draft Jordan's Love because at
some point that accuracy and some of that armstring starts
(09:13):
to go. But the difference between the two is so
vast it will be alarming when you watch it this weekend,
because you have to be fair, right, they're both gonna
probably be without their top wide receiver. Alright, They're both
going against good, not great defenses. But you take away
(09:33):
a guy that takes two people, a cornerback and a
safety essentially off the football field, it changes dramatically. They
both have star running backs who can catch it out
of the backfield. Aaron Jones a little bit, remember running
it obviously. But I think you're gonna look at those
two quarterbacks like, man, how how could I even compare him?
(09:53):
And And granted they're like what five years apart in age,
but the difference the has them between the two is gigantic.
And you will see it Sunday on the field in
New Orleans. And and I tell people all the time
what what goes is not it's not that they can't
throw it deep. Has nothing to do with that. People like, well,
(10:17):
you can do it, look, you still throw it deep. No,
it's that they can't throw it deep accurately. These guys
are wizards, I mean wizards with a football where they
know exactly. They know the wide receiver they like. It's
like a mental calculation of They don't actually think calculation.
They just know exactly where to throw it, when to
throw it, how far to throw it. But when you're
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starting to when you have to compensate for lack of
arm strength, now a sudden you might gun the football,
but you're gonna miss. And when you miss, that's when
you give up home runs. That's when you give up
pick six is. That's when you look old. That's when
you can't make the big play. The right play at
(10:59):
the right moment is a It's about pinpoint precision, accuracy, anticipation,
and the ability to do it in the toughest of stereos.
Coming up next, we have completely discredited the value of
one position in the world of sports. You'll see it tonight.
You'll see it's Sunday in one NFL game. I'll explain
it all next. Be sure to catch the live edition
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of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.
Easter noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio ah APP. I was listening to Calherd Show
earlier day, which you know it's interesting. I one of
the things I like working at Fox Sports better than
working in other places is we go back and forth
at each other, whether on social media or in person
(11:44):
or on each other's shows, and call out each other,
and like that's kind of as long as you know,
make it personal, Like that's kind of what sports is about.
If I go actually based on your sports opinion or
things that you said, I just go like, yeah, okay,
So this Allen did a He didn't evenew where I
Colin was wrong. He just admitted he was wrong about
the Patriots. By the way, my picks are next hour
(12:08):
Patriots taken on a Raiders team suddenly with injury news.
But I think that that admitting Colin admitting he was
wrong about the Patriots is not just admitting, hey, Cam
Newton's healthier than we thought. It's not hey, the Dolphins
aren't as far along as we thought. It's not the
Seahawks defense is not particularly good. It's we had We've
(12:33):
we've gotten to this point in sports, and we we
did it all along with Phil Jackson. So last night
I was getting ready for bed and my son wanted
to watch something, and I said, you know, to take
the laptop and or the iPad or whatever. Let's watch
something on Netflix. So, without my prodding, without anything, he
(12:56):
put the last dance. Now, when the last dance play.
We talked about it a bunch on air, but he
didn't really, he didn't really locked in and watch. You know,
during quarantine, stuff was shut down. We were doing all
he was doing all kinds of other stuff just around
the house. And for whatever reason, maybe he was a
lot of talking. There was a lot of game action.
He just wasn't. And and and it was at an
(13:19):
earlier hour. When you're at late at night, you don't
have to see as much. Actually you can listen to
the words that are being said. Anyway, we watched the
episode one. He loved it. He was really into it.
He's asking about Phil Jackson. What makes Phil Jackson a
great coach? I said, well, he hired text Winner, who
your grandpa my father used to work for at Long
Beach States and innovative offensive coach. His system. His system
(13:41):
put guys into places, so when Michael Jordan's would get
the ball in specific spots, he knew where everybody was.
It's a it's a offense that is based upon wherever
the next pascos you have a specific place or cut
you're supposed to make on the floor. It's so it's
complex and simple all at the same time. It's like wow,
(14:04):
I said, Yeah, I said. And Phil Jackson was a
great manager of egos, a great motivator. He knew every
guy was different. He had meetings with people, he had
great talks with people. Wasn't just about what he would
drop on a whiteboard. It was about so many other things.
So you know, I I I feel like this thing
(14:27):
that we do is really, really sinister, and we've done
it with the Patriots. It's the perfect jumping off point.
And we're not even paying attention to what's happening in basketball.
Lebron wins, and all I hear is man Lebron he
stopped Jamal Murray. Like, okay, I would also tell you
(14:48):
that their game planning is fantastic. Did you know how
many threes did Jamal Murray have? He only took three.
He didn't make any of them. Like, do yourself a
favor and check out Jamal Murray's stats in the bubble,
Jamal Murray's uh stats in the playoffs, like Jamal Murray's
(15:10):
stats against the Lakers. Go ahead, pull him up I'll
give you, I'll give you a second. They all include
the same exact thing, which is, well, you know, um
a lot of threes. Jamal Murray was was ninth the
entire playoffs and scoring twenty six a game. He was
(15:31):
getting nine point four of them, uh, nine point four
points per game in the fourth quarter. But more than anything,
Jamal Murray's been killing people based upon his ability to
hit deep late threes. Look at his situationals. You can
go online look at his situational stats. Right when they win,
(15:51):
he hits threes. When they lose, he does not. It
really is it really is that simple, and they ran
them off the line, and what is that? What is
that about that? That, frankly is about coaching. That's really
what it is. You know, in games in which the
(16:12):
Denver Nuggets have won, all right, he's even making on
average for three is a game. On games in which
they lose, no, he's making two and a half. Three
is a game. So it some of it is game planning,
not just percentages, but game planning, in other words, coaching.
(16:32):
Frank Vogel has gotten almost zero credit for what he
has done playing Dwight Howard Moore understanding how the matchups work, Like,
is Cam Newton healthier? Yeah? They change the offense short?
Is that Josh? Yes? But but do you really think
that Bill Belichick like Tom Brady is great? Do you
think that Bill Belichick isn't a huge and maybe the
(16:54):
biggest part of why the Patriots have been so good?
I get I guess the biggest problem I have with
it is maybe it's maybe it is that once we
get to professional sports, we give so much credit to
the players who become so pro player that we don't
realize how big a factor coaching is. I mean, heck,
(17:15):
look at the Miami Heat. They're gonna play in the
NBA finals. Brad Steve is excellent coach, But you know what,
Eric Spoelster has probably been better. And while Eric Spoelstra
is different and more evolved and probably better now than
he was when Lebron James was there, the fact is
that has anyone mentioned that Eric Spoelstra went to four
straight NBA finals? Has that ever been mentioned? Have you
(17:40):
ever heard that uttered anywhere? You know? Erik Spoelsen went
to four straight NBA finals and when he had Lebron James.
I'm not gonna tell you that Lebron James and Dwyane
Wade and Chris Bosh weren't super talented, but there have
been really talented teams that have not achieved their destiny.
I guess. I guess. Here's the point. Coaching matters, and
here's the best way I can tell you. In your job. Okay,
(18:03):
you may be in sales work for a striker, but
who your sales manager is really important in your level success.
I've had other radio shows that I've done, but the
ones that are the best and that I do the
best on are the ones that I have the best
management people who put you in the best position to succeed,
(18:24):
believing you. But then they'll question you when you're not
prepared or doing it right or whatever. Like management matters
in your job, So why wouldn't coaching matter. It's like
we've totally forgotten about that. We've well, you know it's
Tom Brady, Bill beltics nothing without Tom Brady. Okay, he
won ten games in Matt Castle didn't start a game
(18:45):
in college football. Hey, they look like a playoff team
despite the fact that the most guys opt out because
of COVID and they lost a six time Super Bowl
champion quarterback and got a guy off the scrap heap
who didn't have O t AS or offseason PROBA gonna
work with them. If you don't think coaching matters, you're
just too locked in on how great the players are
(19:05):
to pay attention to the reality. Be sure to catch
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you can hear in the Herd podcast how work. Over
a million people of months download that podcast. I'm one
of them. It's great. Um, all right, let's let's start
(19:26):
with last night. Does it Does it end? The Gardner Minshew?
Is the long term solution thing? I mean, it's a
short week, but in their best receiver was out. I
don't think it ends the discussion. But yeah, I mean
you get the opportunity at Trevor Lawrence. You're gonna take
Trevor Lawrence over Gardner Minshew. Now, if you're just you know,
win six seven games, do you do you roll it back? Maybe?
(19:48):
I think that's the real conversation, not as Gardner Minshew.
The next you know Aaron Rodgers, Right, Okay, so there's
a bunch there. Actually, I think you you you you
started something which I want to get into this. This
is the great thing governments. She didn't have his best
wide receiver. We're gonna watch the Packers and the Saints
without their best wide receivers. Is that the the telltale
(20:11):
for who's the quarterbacks of the real deal? Right? Like,
if you can make it work without your top wide receiver,
because the best wide receivers in the league. It's it's
not simple, but it's kind of simple. You look up
and you see one guy over there in the safety.
You know it's one safety high. You know where you're going.
If not, it's like a guy and a half away
from the rest of the football field. And those guys
(20:34):
are that Could you take that away? And now you
see what the quarterback has made up? Is that a
fair I understand that every situation, every guy in every
receiving corps is different to himself, but isn't that a
fair way. Hey, we don't have our top wide receiver.
Now we see what the quarterbacks really got. I think
it's a fair way to evaluate a guy over a
month or over eight games stretch if it's just a
(20:55):
one off I mean, who who even knows? I mean
we you know there's a reason, Like in the scouting community,
you never put like when a team is getting ready
for an opponent, they watch right now, it's tough, but
you watch three or four games, you know Belichick probably
watches like eight. I mean so when you're evaluating putting
a scouting report on a player, and definitely you know
(21:16):
in free agency reports and in draft reports, you're watching
a large sample size. Now, like you bring up Breeze.
The one thing with Michael Thomas right, a large percentage
of their offense is built around throwing him the ball.
How many I mean he had He led the league
in targets last year. He had a hundred and whatever
forty catches, Like he is a huge part of their offense.
(21:37):
And with Rogers, like on this team, like back in
the day they had Jordy, they also had Davante, they
had Randall cop like, they had a lot of weapons,
so he spread it out on this team, like missing
Davante is a big issue. I see it with the
Niners with Kiddle, like you have specific Like with the
Falcons overall, they they over time have had a lot
(21:57):
of options. To me, it just depends how your team
is built. But yeah, like a max quarterback, even with
just some random guys over a month period of time,
should be able to elevate random guys for sure. Doug
Otlive Show here on Fox Sports Radio. How bad do
you think the problems are with Breeze's arm? Right here?
Here's what I liken to doo Okay, and you know,
(22:18):
for people don't know, you know, you used to work
in college football and pro football at Scott in departments. Um,
I liken it to baseball right when when guys, you know,
like when Paedro Martinez would get past a hundred pitches,
it wasn't the velocity that would go, It was the accuracy.
Accuracy is the first thing to go. And what a
lot of people point out to me is like, hey, look,
(22:38):
Drew Brees hasn't done the ball and foot downfield a
long time. What's changed now though, is, um, you know,
any of the crossing routes or some of the easier
throws he misses on so it hurts your yards after
the catch? Is that the bigger issue with Breeze heading forward? Yeah?
I mean he's never had a great arm, right, He's
never thrown if he was a baseball equivalent like if
(22:59):
Mahomes or Jeers are throwing even in breezes peak, what
was he throwing like ninety one? Right? But he had
like Greg Maddox level location. Him and Steve Young most
accurate quarterbacks of all time. I agree with that. To me,
once when you're throwing one, once you start throwing like
I've seen it with the Giants over the years, like
(23:19):
guys like Jake Peve and Tim Hudson when they acquire
him late in their career, it's batting practice. And with
breeze it's the equivalent of like, your accuracy is just off.
Well these corners. The reason we make such a big
deal about the forty time is because running a four
four two and running a four five oh is the
difference of getting a finger on a ball or the
ball completion right. It's it's milliseconds, and I think you
(23:42):
just see the balls a little late. It's not quite
there on time. He's always been kind of like Rivers
and like Peyton rhythm timing. He's throwing the ball like
he has to know the offense like the back of
his hand. Because he has to have the ball out
before the guys even turning, because he can't like a
Rodgers or Mahomes. Even if he's late, it doesn't matter.
He's throwing Hunter out out of fastball in there. So
(24:03):
I just see a guy who skills. It's not like
the Peyton Manning. Wouldn't you agree? It is like one
of the worst things we've ever seen that final year,
Like he just he fell off a cliff. That's not
even Brady is the same thing. They're just diminishing slightly.
But but especially with Breeze, his margin for error because
of his arms strength was really really small. And I
think that's why Philip Rivers gets in trouble, just because
(24:24):
when they were a little off, it's they they they
see something and they almost have to hope that's what
they're they're reading it correctly early and if something changes,
it's here's what you'll you'll you'll like this. John Miokoff,
our guest in the Doug Gotlip Show. I talked to
somebody at the Bears a couple of years ago and
(24:45):
I called him after the after they came back against
the Lions, and I said, what, what's what's the story
with Mitch, and he said, you know, it's kind of
the same thing, which is when he gets up there
and he sees it and he knows what he's looking at,
he's great. And that's why he's better when you play fast,
because the reeds are simpler and you get rid of
it quicker. It's like, but when something surprises him midplay
(25:08):
and it's not what he thought, now it's it becomes
a mess, and he's thinking, and he's just he should
be just better off running it if he doesn't see
what he thought he saw, right, Okay, So I that's
the same thing with with uh Philip Rivers, and I
with Manning late in his career, and I think we're
(25:28):
getting there a little bit with Brady, which is they see,
they know, they process so much like, oh, I know
what this is, I know the answer to it, and
they get there, they get a stand the ball and
then sometime, you know, these defenses they change late and
all of a sudden it fools them, but they've already
kind of committed to I have this small window I
have to throw the ball, and if everything is perfect,
they look brilliant, but if it's not, they're guessing. They're
(25:49):
throwing a half second too early to a spot and
everything has to work out to the wide receiver to
get to that spot, and to me, it can work
the other way. To like far the best example, like
he ever sees anything he doesn't think he could make.
You see it with Stafford a lot, who I think
has developed just some bad habits. And it's not all
his fault. He's had terrible coaching. But the pick he
threw against the Bears game in Week one when they
(26:12):
were up, the Bears were storming back and he throws
a pick that ends up leading to the game winning touchdown,
like that, in fairness to breathe like he would never
throw that ball. So there's just there's a balance that
just kind of creates greatness. And that's why I think
like Mahomes has become such a star. He's got it
all right. And then you see like Watson kind of
goes back and forth, and and Russell's now kind of
(26:34):
feels like he's figured it all out, and Rogers kind
of going throw back. It's just it's just really hard
position to play. In the moment you lose. To me,
it's just like do you lose any confidence because to
be breezes skills like they are what they are to me?
Is he is he thinking twice about it? Now? Is
he going, I don't know if I should do this?
And you know, in the peak of his powers, it
was just like bang bang boom, and it was you
(26:55):
look ups, you know, thirty eight touchdowns and offensive records. Clearly,
I think it's somewhat in his head. How would it
not be when you're fury years old? Um Russell Wilson.
If I was going to offer a critique that I've
heard from some people, is hey, you know he is
taking these negative plays and sacks because he he loves
those incredible you know, uh uh completion percentage numbers. Is
(27:21):
that a fair criticism? I someone told me the other
day because I was texting about Rogers and Russ, because
if you watch Rogers, I know you have, he looks
like Pete Rodgers right now. He's just got both middle
fingers up. He's out for blood. And listen Russ's numbers,
I mean, nine touchdowns through two games and just you know,
a plus percentage just been incredible. The one knock. I mean,
(27:41):
this is like you know, geeky scouting stuff is like
they will say on first down, on early downs, he'll
miss some stuff, whether he doesn't see it, whether he's like,
you know, I'll just do something else, and he knows
like in the back of his head, I'll just bail
us out in later downs, or I'll just make a
crazy play out of my you know what. So it's like,
is he the perfect player? Like no, you know, but
(28:03):
who really is? Um? Yeah? I mean I I think
as long as you make the like at the end
of the day, the point of a possession, right is
to score a touchdown. So even if you do leave
something on the field, like, who really cares if he
ultimately gets it done. Now, their margin for error because
like big picture, right is, their defense is not gonna
(28:24):
be that great. Their pass rush looks pretty pedestrian. They
can't cover. So in a type game, not all these
games are gonna be these crazy shootouts. We see it
every year when the playoffs come, it gets really, really
hard and every possession is magnified. You know, does that
cost him in a big game because let's face it,
like they have been and it's not all this fault.
Last year, I won't blame him at all. The team
was fifteen guys heard but it's gonna come down to
(28:46):
a possession or two. So if you screw up, you know,
a play a series in the second quarter can cost
you a you know, a big playoff game against you know,
the Niners, the Rams, the Saints, whoever, you know the
team you end up playing in the playoffs. John mine
Off our guest and the Doug Gotlives show on Fox
Sports Radio. Um, are the Texans fixable? Yeah? To me,
(29:09):
their defense is just too terrible and it's hard to
get back on track when you can't get stops because
then all the pressure goes to your offense, and their
offense doesn't really have like like a bail like an
equivalent golf like some bailout club just to hit the fairway.
Was Hopkins and he's now gone. I mean, they're depending
on the speed demons who multiply. You know, one gets
a concussion all the time, the other always pulls his hamstring. Uh,
(29:31):
there's kind of this elephant in the room from the outside,
I don't know how much it affects the team, just
like has Bill O'Brien screwed up this team and our schedules?
Just I mean, you you open up with the Chiefs
and Ravens like, welcome to the NFL. I said, you know,
welcome to two thousand points. That's pretty tough. I think
it's gonna be really tough. It might just be the
you know, the year where you look up and you know,
(29:52):
a team with the Shawn Watson somehow they're like five
and eleven and the Miami Dolphins are ecstatic because they
have their first round pick. Yeah, it's uh, it is
like when aren't they more likely in your mind finished
five wins and like eight or nine wins? Yes, yeah,
just flawed. Well, they're flawed and they were overscheduled early.
And while eventually that will even out, I think, you know,
(30:16):
oftentimes I've I've done this before, like the mcveigh's first
year with the Rams. I don't know if you remember
this Vase first year with the Rams. They opened up
with the Colts and that was the first game that
was before they they they traded for Jacoby Brissett, right
and they had what was the long time Scott Tolzine started.
And I watched the preseason game against against the Cowboys
(30:39):
and I called one of my NFL buddies. I was like,
have you seen the Colts This series, Like, you know,
I'm paying attention to my own club, but we were
looking at their roster for cuts and guys, there's not much.
I was like, they're terrible. It was the first year
they changed genlem manager. Maybe the yeah, the the year
they changed general managers, and they just had no talent
at all. And they started started Scott Tolzine and their
second game was I think against the Niners. And this
(31:01):
is before the Niners got Jimmy g Right. And the
idea is you get off to two and O start
and you may not be that good, but you kind
of think you are, and he has some confidence and
if you don't get injured. Like they're the opposite. They
started with this murderers row schedule, and they haven't played
well and their defense is not that good. They're not
beating Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh. I don't care if there's fans
or no fans. They're not beating I don't I don't
see them beating that team. And you started out oh
(31:23):
and three and you start questioning everything O'Brien has already
been on, you know, under under duress. I don't see
it getting it and better agreed John Middlekaufar guests in
the Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um Raiders.
You see the Raiders, you like? I was a big
proponent of the Gruden plan, but I also mentioned, like
(31:43):
all right was the Saints. They didn't have Michael Thomas
was at home. Granted no fans, but a lot of energy.
How good are the Raiders? Really well? Their offense is
really good. Now, I just saw before I hopped on
with you, Rugs is out and I know it's Rugs
in that Monday night game drew multiple penalties. I mean,
(32:03):
the fastest guy on the field like that, when you
run a four two, you don't have to catch a
ball to impact the game. Waller clearly. I had a
coach on the staff tell me in training camp like
he's our best player. I mean he doesn't. You don't
need to be Bill Walsh to watch a half of
the Raiders and go, yeah, guys unstoppable. So if if
he's not healthy like that, those two guys, especially going
up against Belichick this week, to me, is gonna be tough.
(32:26):
Huge win. Monday Night, so short week against Belichick coming
off a loss. Who's had a day on you The
picture with the cut sweatter, I think kind of symbolize
like one, they probably got home like six am on
Monday morning, right because they flew across the country going
west to east, and then Belichick you know, wakes up
realizing that the the Raiders got some pieces on on offense.
(32:47):
Then he watches the game, so he probably doesn't sleep
much Monday night. I I could see Belichick on a
mission with some things like historically Derek Beside the one
year it struggled against really good defensive coordinators, and I
think Belichick could have some you know, tricks up a sleep.
The other thing is like Seattle, the Raiders defense, their
corners aren't great, They don't have much of a pass rush,
(33:08):
so could they can they get into a shootout with
New England without rugs? And you know if Wallers banged up,
They got a schedule these next three weeks Patriots, Bills, Chiefs.
So I think we're gonna find out a lot if
you know, the Raiders, because I think it's pretty clear
like they have a playoff level offense, but you gotta
get to probably nine wins to get that wild card
spot in these next three weeks. If they could win
(33:30):
two out of three of them to meet their lock
playoff team. If they win one out of two and
it doesn't look that great, maybe you start going name.
It's gonna be little harder and we think John great
stuff man. Enjoy the games this weekend. Can't wait to
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(33:53):
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talking about Lebron taking Jamal Murray at the end of
the last night's game. Jackson, Hey, I want Jamal Murray.
(34:16):
All I want to know is name the time you've
seen other guys do that. Y'all just turned it down.
We saw Jimmy Bucket is happy going in game one,
and y'all just want to know parts of it. We
saw what Jamal Murray did to Kauai and Paul Georgian
games five, six, and seven in the fourth quarter, you
saw my god, Dan, I don't okay, but like I
(34:45):
like kngaruent arguments, and that's what he's trying to make
for just this time in the bubble. Obviously, we don't know,
like Janice is a better defensive player at this point
his career than Lebron is, sorry, and we don't know
in terms of games. I don't know in terms of
foul trouble or what the thinking was. They didn't lose
because of who Janice guarded or didn't guard. I thought
Lebron was great, and I think Lebron knowing that he
(35:06):
cans is not going to be a foul called on him,
is really really smart basketball. It should also be pointed
out he tried to guard Kevin Durant at the end
of the NBA Finals two years row and he got
lit up in the second half by Kevin Red couldn't
guard him, so um and and like he's the spot,
(35:28):
like you can you you pick out something you like
about it, Like, look, Lebron can't guard Kawhi Leonard, can't
struggle with Jamal Murray's a kid who's been hitting unbelievable
shots and difficult shots, and he played well. Lebron played really,
really well. He did it for a short portion of
(35:49):
the game. Let's not act like he took Jamal Murray
the entire game and said, you're not scoring and Jamal
Murray didn't do anything right. I mean that that that's
we're just we're making these things up that are just
the like like, yeah, we went from the fish being
(36:11):
this big big he took him, he shut him down.
Everybody else stayed home, like, yeah, the Lakers were up four.
On the very first possession, he Guarden. What happened, Lebron
foul Jamal Murray. It's called a foul. The second possession,
they're still up four and Murray turned the basketball over um.
(36:37):
The third possession, Paul Millsap hits the three because he
beat Lebron James to the basket and he kicks out
for a Millsap three. Then you know, then the fourth possession,
Lebron James had the block shot. The fifth possession, there
was a drive and it was probably a foul on Lebron.
(36:59):
Like that's it, that's really all that happened. We're like, oh,
Lebron James. He shut him down like there's seven possessions
where he guarded him, five in which he was really involved,
and he had one, one great defensive play and one
that looked like a foul. That's it. Say um, all right,
(37:20):
we have our we have our picks next hour, we
have a guest next hour, and we have this Odell
Beckham Jr. Is saying all the right things. It's like
somebody handed him a script and he's on script. It's perfect.
That's great. For now. I'll tell you why. It's just
for now. It's not all his fault. It's next to
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