September 28, 2020 • 33 mins
Doug tells you why we should have expected the Packers hot start to the season after improving to 3-0 on the season with a win over the Saints. Super Bowl champion Trent Dilfer joins the show to break down the quarterback play from week 3 in the NFL. Plus, Doug thinks Drew Brees is no longer an elite quarterback in the NFL after what we’ve seen in the 3 weeks to start the season
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of the Doug Gottli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
start with the Sunday night game where I don't hate
to say I told you so, so, I told you so.
The Green Bay Packers are terrific and they're led by
arguably the greatest quarterback of all time in Aaron Rodgers.
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And while there were many people who said he had
begun his decline and it was a tailspin that no
one can pull out of because of age, we also
pointed out there's a bad, bad fit for Matt Lafleur's offense,
you hear that, And they didn't have enough players around
him or that well, they didn't have Davante Adams, far
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and away their top wide receiver, who sat with a
hamstring issue. And in fairness to the Saints, they still
don't have Michael Thomas, highest paid bide receiver from the league,
who also sat out with that ankle spring and the
game at the end of the At the end the game,
the score is thirty seven thirty and there was a
Taysom Hill play which did really really help the Green
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Bay Packers. But the I told you so comes from this.
Aaron Rodgers is still terrific. Aaron Rodgers is still elite,
and what we've seen from the Packers, I guess the
presumption was that because last year some of the stats
were down, because last year there were some frustrations because
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last year they won thirteen games and people thought, you know,
they're really not that good. They should win should have
won maybe ten of those games, eleven those games, and
they had momentum and just things that went right for him.
Because of all of those things, many people predicted gloom
and doom. That's why they drafted Jordan's Love. Heck, if
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you if you look at it, what's what's fascinating about
the Jordan's Love discussion. T Martin had a decent game.
Is first got a decent game with since Santi Bengals.
That was the next wide receiver up all the other
wide receivers were gone. Well, maybe most fascinated by the
Green Bay Packers assume me T Higgins T Martin T
Higgins is they drafted A. J. Dillon the second round.
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He's that their first and second round player picks. Jordan
loves not even dressing. Tim Boyle's backup doesn't dress for
the game. A J. Dillon's like third or fourth in
the depth chart. They drafted to future future plays. Why
is that? Because they knew they had a hell of
a team, and they assumed partially because he changed his
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body in training, partially because they motivated him by drafting
Jordan's off, partially because he had to be motivated by
everybody telling him he was washed up, and and mostly
because mostly because this is the second year of them together.
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Did we think that last year's thirteen win season and
some of those games and outcomes being fortunate, they automatically
had to regress towards to mean, what if they were
good and they actually got better? Right? Much like Allen
Lazard good and has actually gotten better, Marcus Valdis Gandling
who didn't have a great game yesterday but has been
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better good? But Aaron Jones last year good but getting better.
And oh yeah, Aaron Rodgers where last year they were
you know, did he respect the new style and Kyle
Shanahan system which Matt Lafleur was a proponent of. Now
you use those same plays, and if you think that
offense doesn't work, I'll give you the San Francisco forty
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niner is granted to Johns are crummy, but you're playing
with all backups and they go in and with a
backup quarterback and they going light up the giants. The
system works, and then they found a way to kind
of work it together a little bit. Sometimes they go
Aaron Rodger style, give me the shotgun for guys wide,
let's do something fun, oop, do you? Sometimes we go
Kyle Shanahan style, and our our plays absolutely work. He's
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butted into them. They butt into him. The players haven't
proved and guess what, they're arguably the best team in football.
Pretty amazing, right for a guy who people are like, well,
he's gonna end his career elsewhere, Well, maybe he's not
starting by the end of the year. I heard that again.
I've never uttered that. I thought it was pure silliness.
I understand exactly if you watch Drew Brees throw you
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know exactly why you better have a backup plan once
they get older. But I I understand exactly what the
Packers are doing, mostly to protect themselves, partially to motivate
him and Aaron Rodgers came back bigger, stronger, faster, better,
and he's in on the system and they're in on him,
and they let each other do what they do best.
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I don't hate to say I told you so. I
love to say I told you so. And maybe the
most underrated part of what the Packers have done is
they have stayed true to who they are. They have
kept continuity. That's it. They've kept continuity. We're gonna watch
tonight two teams who have tried to keep continuity in
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the offensive side of the football. Yeah, Hayden Hurst has
gone from Baltimore, but mostly it's still roughly the same
and that's why they're so good. Out of the gate,
Kansas City, same thing. Try to keep most the same parts,
changed out running backs, and and look where they are.
People think it's like fantasy football. Add in guy who
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has this talent and puts up these yards and automatically
he's going to with another team. DeAndre Hopkins is one
guy that does seem to work out that way. But
for the most part, I mean, the t Higgins thing
is is the most wow. You should have drafted te Higgins? Why?
Why explain why? Beat? Because this is like I say
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this all the time at trade deadline type trade deadline
time in baseball and basketball, especially if you gotta add
a piece. Remember, if you add a piece, you're telling
a piece in your locker room that he's not good enough.
And that guy that's already in your locker room has
relationships with all the other guys. So when you tell
him he's not good enough, now a sudden, those guys
their mojo is not the same. While the Green Bay
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Packers smartly motivated Aaron Rodgers saying, hey, look, dude, this
thing might not be forever if you don't get yourself
in top condition and buy into some of the stuff
we're doing, they also showed buy into their wide receivers
by not drafting wide receiver. How can we tell you
we believe in you and then not give you the
opportunity to grow? They did, and look what happened, right,
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I mean, they're top the agent wide receiver um signing
opted out so, I mean, look, it's it's pretty amazing
what they've been able to do. And there was especially
considering the assumption, and it was very much an assumption,
the assumption that because last year they were fortunate, because
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last year they were um uh, last year they were
flat flat out lucky to win a couple of those games,
and if they didn't have Aaron Rodgers, that they would
somehow regress towards the mean. Instead, they kept the band together,
the quarterback in the coach found common ground. The wide
receivers have improved, Aaron Rodgers gotten better shaped, and hey
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he's not only not washed up, he might be the
best guy in the league. That's what happened. And I
don't hate to say I told you so. I love
to say I told you so. I did, in fact
tell you so. All Right, we got a lot to
get to. By the way, this uh, this is Matte
floor about the Packers offense back in May once. One
area we need to improve is creating more explosive plays.
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We're pretty much in efficient as an offense. I think
we're fourth in efficiency, but twenty three and explosive plays.
I think that does start with the play calling and
maybe take a few more chances to generate those plays downfield. Typically,
if you're getting explosive, you have a better chance of
scoring points. They're they're top ten and explosive plays through
three weeks. I mean the throw thereon Rodgers made the
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Lazard that was silly play action, roll your left flinging
out there, Lazard fell down, stood up, the thing hit
him in the face mask. I mean it was absolute brilliance,
absolute brilliance. Aaron Rodgers first in two br third touchdowns.
Know yeah, by the way, no interceptions. The difference between
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Rogers and even Russell Wilson is he will not eat
a football and take navy of plays. He will not
throw it into questionable coverage. He will live to fight
another day. And it has absolutely worked. Coming up next,
what's happened to the Dallas Cowboys? Are they better this
season than last season? Is the coaching better? Couple of
my thoughts after the loss of Seattle. Next, be sure
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to catch the live edition of The Doug gott Leap
Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Let's ask
Trent Dilfer, who joins us on the Doug gotlip show
on Fox Sports Radio. Trent, do you what are your
talking when? I when when I say Jalen Hurts is
a starting quarterback right now in the NFL, What do
you think? No? Um, I thought it was. I like
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the draft pick. I think he can be a Swiss
Army knife early in his career, and I value um
to the team. Um but I mean, Carson went this
is a fantastic talent and I was playing very poorly. Um,
but he's a fantastic talent. That is a huge ceiling.
That's that's worth sticking with longer. I think this is
an all hands on deck organizational thing of getting the
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most out of car U and Wentz. I think there's
a lot of layers to how to do that. Okay, So,
so so take me through your like they hire you
as the quarterback coach. Okay, so you got offense qarter
to deal with? Head coach, deal with quarterback to deal with?
How do you begin the process of getting Carson Wentz
back on track? Relentless preparation, focused on the details, UM,
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drilling his instincts to change from being kind of sporadic
and um uh kind of trying to make up play
all the time to be more precision based. Um, you know,
undergoing back and evaluating the big mistakes he's made and
finding the why behind them. You know, what's here, looking
at what's he's seeing, What was he thinking? What happened
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in the secondary would happen up front and piece by piece,
m breaking it down to its most micro level and
then addressing those things on a day day basis. I've
seen quarterbacks dramatically changed within the season if coached really hard.
Where Also this also gets lumped into the conversation of
two thousand twenty and the year it's been for some
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of these players. Um, certain players need more structure, they
need more O T A s, they need more disciplines
how their trained, they lost all of that. Other players
and throw out the balls and they naturally put that discipline.
Carson Wentz is a guy that you constantly have to
be coaching on the little things, on the details, because
he really believes he's superman. Back there. I'd put Cam
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Newton back in his day in the same kind of
category where they're so physically Ben Roethlisberger, they're so physically gifted.
They feels as if they can make a play every
play and they need to grow and in discernment in
their decision making. Uh, and then really fine tune the
details of every single thing they do. And I think
Ben would would go preach it. Amen. I mean Ben
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really hit his Hall of Fame stride when he bought
into the detail work within the week, the day and
day out training of the little things that he played
with more precision. On Sunday, trying to deal for joining
US Super Bowl champion quarterback course head coach at Lipskim
Academy joins to the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
What about Nick Fools? How can he he? Now he
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has the Bears job? Of course he worked with all
these guys before, right, Uh. De Filippo, of course he
worked with in Philadelphia like you kind of laser he
worked with, I believe in Kansas City, like all of
these guys he's worked with before. Now he's worked with
going back when they were in Philadelphia together. How can
he keep this job? See him? You know, I think
when he struggled, teams have asked him to be something
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he's not. He's a true like spread quarterback, and I
think that's what these guys saw with him in Chicago.
They've been around him when he's played his best football,
and it was spread offense. It was kind of that
Saturday offense on Sundays. He's a guy's great pocket presence. Um. Alright,
if you go back to his college evaluation at the
highest conflict rating of any quarterback coming out that year,
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meaning when there was conflict in the pocket. Um. So
he can play with five six man protections. Uh, he
sees layers really well. So he sees kind of the
vertical first, second, and third layers very well. Uh. He
knows how to stretch the field horizontal and get the
ball quick. Uh. He's everything you kind of want in
a And again I used spread lightly because NFL will
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never be fully spread, but there's way more spread concepts
in it. And I think the Bears probably run as
many as any team. Uh. He fits that sits and
he can get through a progression. Uh. He's got a
tremendous football i Q. So he's gonna win the pre
snap game. I think athletically physically he has a mid
ceiling um. But he's a really really good fit for
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this Bears offense. Okay, so Aaron Rodgers has obviously exploded
this year. Early on they have more explosive play, something
that was badly missing from before. But again, I just
these are layman's eyes. You're the expert, Okay, So from
a layman's perspective, I feel like they're still using the
Kyle shan In hand offense, which he's a little bit
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more brought into. And and you know, the run game
obviously works and the guys are running free, and then
every once in a while they let Aaron b Aaron
and put him back in the shotgun and kind of
do his thing. It feels like year two the marriage
is working, whereas year one it was clunky. Tell me
what I'm missing by your expertise, I don't want you
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miss anything. I think he said it perfectly. I think
they've they've got him to buy into the hard action stuff,
the movement, the play action, um, the stuff of the floor.
Really is an expert and they probably learned from each other.
To be honest with you, the relationship is really good. Um,
they're both football geeks. Aaron is a control freak, and
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I'm sure Matt has kind of allowed that to happen,
knowing that Aaron needs to be in control of the
line of scrimmage. So even within the Shanahan stuff, I
bet you Aaron is making a lot of the decisions
in the run game, which which way to go actions UM,
winning the game to call them on in distant situations,
but you gotta at air and b are and two
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and use a snap count to his advantage, spread them out,
use the quick passing game. UM. And you're seeing a
nice marriage of both. So they probably spent a lot
of time on Zoom this offseason just talking through um
kind of the marriage of the two philosophies, and and
it's a nice miss. It's it's really hard to defend both,
you know, especially because they're using common personnel groups for both.
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So it's really hard for a defense when they see
twelve role on the field to know if it's going
to be outside zone action movement or if it's going
to be two by two spread quick passing games. They're
two totally different defensive calls or different line stuffs stunts
up front. There's different dogs and blitzes. You use the
defend to vend those two things. So, uh, they probably
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found this perfect little balance where they're comfortable with each
other's expertise and then Matt's done a really good job
letting air and b are and it kind of run
the show because Aaron's at his best when he's the
alph out there, when he he truly is he's either
approving of the play call or he's making the play call.
Peyton Mary was very similar to that Doug out the
show here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, whereas there are
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times last year where you you do almost see any
like you could tell he didn't think it was gonna
work before when he got the ball and then he
just dirt the ball to throw it away and then
kind of almost give you a look like see told
just so your dummy. That's kind of good, kind of
the feeling he gave you. Yeah, And I get all
of us that play the position for a long time,
you know, you see there's a different view of the game.
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There's a current quarterbacks view of the game where you
see the little subtle body language things, you see the
spacing um, you see matchups, and then there's the up
in the box I that sees the whole field at
all twenty two and very often they're very different perspectives.
And I think the really good play callers appreciate the
quarterbacks perspective, because we're able to see stuff ground level
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see stuff and maybe they can't see up there, or
maybe they think they see it too clearly, but it's
not a reality. Um, and I think that takes time,
and it takes communication and takes Hey, this is what
I was seeing, this is why I saw it, This
is why I want to do what I wanted to do.
Tell me your why, and you keep working through those
wise as a play caller and a quarterback, eventually you
find that commonality that leads to you having that sympatica relationship.
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Fascinating stuff from from from Trent Diver's Doug Outlip Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. What did Bill Belichick do
to confuse Derek Carr? You know the type? And not Again,
I haven't watched study the Al twenty two, so I'm
going off TV copies, so I might be a little
off here. But man coverage one high man coverage, which
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is kind of what Bill went to a few years ago.
It's just bread and butter. It's what they dominated the
rams within the Super Bowl. Um, it seems very simple
on as a shell. In high school football it's very simple,
and college football it's very simple. You get the NFL
and it can be very complex. There's gonna be a
lot of trade offs, there can be a lot of
false keys. You can do a lot of stuff and
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if you have really smart football players, what it looked
like to me was they lined up and showed Derek
one picture and when the ball was snapped, he confirmed
the picture. But as the play was going on, there
were subtle little changes within the secondary trading off of receivers,
trading technique outside the inside, almost as if Bill said, Okay,
this is what they do, this whichall likes to call
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I've been studying them for years. They're gonna see in
inside technique on number two, they're gonna want to throw
this or we're a show inside technique and they're gonna
play outside shoulder. Because there was definitely I think Derek
played bad, but he wasn't nearly as decisive as he's
as as he has been. And my guesses there was
some subtle post snap changes in the picture that Derek
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saw in that one high man defense. You know, it's
it's interesting we're talking about folds earlier. That's what everybody
told me about Robinski is he makes it. He confirms it,
he snabs it, and then when there's a subtle difference,
that's when he gets a little bit infused and he
either has to run it or he kind of has
to guess. Whereas the best of the best the best,
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you make it. You make a subtle change and they
can process that quickly and make the mental adjustment, no doubt.
And you got to know when to give them on
a play. That's the hardest lesson. Not to give on
a play, give up on a progression, like so often
you work so hard during the weekend. These guys, hey,
even the ones not playing well, are working hard during
the week They're studying tape, they're grinding, they're fighting for
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their jobs. They know that hundreds of millions dollars are
on the line. Um. But sometimes you over prepare and
you say, okay, it's gonna be this look. I'm gonna
get the balls gonna be snapped. I've confirmed the look.
I'm throwing it to this guy, and then something changes
about half a second into the play. And when you're
young and experience, you stick with it, and that's when
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you see the indecisiveness. That's when you see the interceptions.
Instead of saying, oh, Okay, I don't like that. Look,
I'm gonna go number two. I'm gonna go number three.
That's why I keep telling people, if you really want
to see the difference in backs, just watch their eyes.
You don't even have to know what they're looking at.
Just watch their eyes. And if their eyes are calm
and moving throughout the field, they're gonna be fine. If
they're staying locked in on something and you kind of
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see their feet and their eyes bouncing, well they're like,
wait a second, this isn't like practice, This isn't what
I prepared for. But yet I'm gonna force a square
peg into a round hole. Sure, trend over and join,
said the Dug Gottlieb Show. Um, do we make anything
of Brady targeting Gronk seven times? Like Gronk had a
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comment last week like hey, I'm I'm a blocking tight
end now right then all of a sudden and behold
he looks his way seven times. It's just it kind
of again. Total outsider to me feels almost feels like, okay,
like Bruce, we get that you want to criticize Tom
when he doesn't play well, but publicly and then publicly
criticizing grounk like that, we we gotta know what we're
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doing here. Right. Privately is one thing. Publicly is a
completely different thing. Kind of felt like a little bit
of nephew to them. Or am I reading too much
into it? No? I don't think you're too much into it.
You've been in those locker rooms, We've been around with
your whole life. I mean, I actually think it's a
pretty good side of coaching. That and player communication. There's
no doubt that Gron and Tom went in and said, hey,
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you know there's some stuff we can do here. We've
been doing this for a long time. That's in our
first rodeo. Um, give us a chance to let it work. Um.
I don't think they drew it up in the dirt.
I think it's probably a Monday meeting, to be honest
with you, and into Bruce's credit and and all the
people on board in their offense's credit, that they listen
and they said, yeah, you're probably right, we probably need
to run some shallow crosses. You'd probably run some stuff
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that you do a great job with, I hope, with
other things to make our offense more diverse. Um. Not
everything has to be bad. Conflict I think there's a
lot of healthy conflict that goes on and healthy discussions
are going about, hey, there's a there's other ways of
doing it. Uh, And you know we've done this for
a while. We can we can get this thing done.
I bet you that did happen. Yeah, I mean that's
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a that's a healthy conflict. That is a great way story. Yeah,
I'll give you a story work Like nobody cares about
my high school experience, but it's a really talented kid,
first year, planned receiver, kind of a project in, never
a good hand, but really really talented. And the kids credit.
He has worked as far as any of my kids
this year because me a couple of weeks ago sets
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a meeting time since says coach, I want to ask
you a real question. Is there a reason why I'm
not getting fed the ball more? Because if there is,
I want to fix it. And I said, I really
appreciate you come to me this one like this. You've
done a great job, You've exceeded expectations, and you know what,
You're right, we have not throwing you the ball on them.
You're absolutely right. For you're a seventeen year old kid
coming to a four day year old gray Beard has
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been around the game a long time. But you know what,
you are right, we need to get you the ball more.
He's had six catches and two touchdowns since then. Um,
he was right, he needed to be targeted more. And
you know what, also have some other talented kids that
my mind's on all the time and game get you
get into the game, and certain schemes work in certain
calls of work and always want to give my tell
back the ball and most blah blah blah blah blah.
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But I think those are good conversations. If you're a
good coach, you listen and instead of getting defensive, you say,
you know what, Yeah, I probably should throw you six
six to pound kid that runs four or five five
and has a forty invertical leaf football. More often. I've
been a bad coach not to throw it to you
more often? I can? I can? I give you one? Yeah.
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Trend Dealer's our guest Do Gotlieve Show, Fox Sports Radio.
I'm at Oklahoma State midway through my my my first year,
I think maybe my second, I can't remember. And when
I was at Notre Dame, my coach would run one
side ball screen and he kept running. It's called three
side and very basic NBA set play. He was a
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John McCloud former NBA coach, and the entire year he
ran it from on the left side to my right
hand and I try, I explained to the assistant coach.
I explained to the head coach, like, hey, look, I
can't shoot off a ball screen going to my right.
I can work on it, but I can. I'm I'm
drem actually better and more comfortable shooting in my left
and his point was, well, you're right handed, you better
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passing the ball with your right hand. And this is more,
we really want you to come off and look for
the roleman or look for the shooter in the week
side corner. And I tried to explain him, like, coach, listen,
I get that, but you're actually dealing with one of
the only human beings that actually passes just as well
with his left hand as he does his right, and
I physically don't feel comfortable shooting the ball. It wasn'
until the very end of the year that he once
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made an adjustment. I go to Oaklahoma State. My dad
had been an assistant with Eddie Sutton forty years previously,
and I was doing great, but I just wasn't comfortable
within the half court offense in terms of looking for
points or really you know, turning the corner on handoffs whatever.
So he called my dad, and my dad was in
town for a game. What what do you run with him?
He said, you know, I always ran this Ralph Miller
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one four high HiT's the high post back door of
the wing, and then he gets a little hand off
and he's really good at either turning the corner or
finding the big guy when he rolls. Like that's where
he's really comfortable. Ran in high school as well. He comes.
I was like, why didn't you tell me that? I said, well,
like you never asked my first year playing for you
put it in a staple of what we did, kind
of same thing that is, it's actually really good coaching,
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but it also sometimes comes down to the players being
able to communicate and saying this is what I need
to be successful exactly. It's it's communication, it's healthy conflict.
And then coaches out to the learners. I'm so sick
of these coaches. I think they have all the answers
you know you got you got to be a learner
all the time. You'll be studying your players, studying your coaches,
studying your organization, UM, studying trend studying emotions. I mean,
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I find myself sitting up in this office something right now,
spending four or five days, hours a day just learning
about the guys I'm around with all the time. You're
always learned. The more you learn about them, the more
you get out of Did you did you play for
Mike Nolan in San Francisco? I did? Ye? Does? He? Does?
He know what he's It feels like he's he's It
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doesn't feel like a great fit with the cowboys, and
he's a mad scientist. Um. He's very exo driven. He
does have some very very good stuff, but it takes
it takes players to buy into what he's trying to
get to. He's not a Tony Dungee. Lineup in four
defenses and go play hard and run to the ball.
He wants to beat you at the chalk um. If
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his players buy into it can be very like when
he was in Baltimore and he was building some of
those defenses. They were nasty because they bought into the scheme.
They bought into all the the nuance of it, all
the rules, all the changes, all the communication. Um, it
takes all eleven guys buying into all the stuff because
every week it's a new package. Every week it's designed
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to take away the the offensive scheme and there's a
lot of learning weekend and week out. They last thing
got Ravens Chiefs Tonight last year, these two teams played
and Lamar did not play well, looked a little bit overwhelmed.
Is tonight and night where we'll find out how much
Lamar has improved. Yes, but I think it's on all
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the Ravens. It's not just on the are I mean
they got it. They got to the strength of the
Ravens is in the three phases. It's in the diversity
of the offense. They can running inside, running outside, run Lamar,
throw shot, throw it deep. You know, it's got to
be the whole thing. They can't just say hey, it's
Lamar verse Patrick. It's gotta be okay. This is how
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we're gonna finish the race. This is how we're gonna
win the championship. Is we're gonna be a great three
face football team, and offensively, we're gonna show our diversity
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Last night, the Packers beat the Saints thirty seven to thirty.
Drew Brees lost the game. He's last in average air
yards per attempt. He's attempted four passes over twenty yards
down the field this season. Last night, zero orro passes
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were attempted beyond twenty yards. I want want you, I
want you to to think about that for a second. Not
over thirty, not over forty, Okay, over twenty. And the
games the game was played indoors like that, that's a
it's a big thing indoors. Ask any of these quarterbacks.
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You're like, man, warm weather, indoors. I'd rather play indoors
the never. There's no moisture on the ball, it's not
too hot, not too cold, there's no wind, there's no nothing.
You can just sling it. It adds years to your
football life. It's one of the reasons I believe that
that Peyton Manning, despite his arm issues, was find an indie.
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He went to Denver, which normally outside that's not great
in the cold, and he did struggle. If you remember
when they lost member Joe Flacco through that absolute seed
to beat them in the playoffs in Peyton's fifty touchdown year,
remember that one of the reasons that he struggled, one
of the reasons that they punted to Joe Flacco was
the wind was in his face. He couldn't throw the football.
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But the altitude during the year when there's not wind
added life to his fastball. If you will. Drew Brees
last an average air yard for attempt, not Gardner Minshew,
not Ryan Fitzpatrick, not any his arm appears to be shot.
None of this stuff is coincidence, right, None of its
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coincidence that two years ago it got bad at the
end of the season. Last year he was hurt with
the thumb and he came back and it was not
great in the playoffs, like we we do this thing,
We're like, well, they lost because they got screwed on
a call. Okay, like two years ago when they lost
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to the Rams. Two years ago when they lost to
the Rams. Remember the first pass of that series, Okay,
on first down, Drew Brees audiitized threw the ball at
the feet of an open wide receiver. It was just
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a terrible throw. This has been a growing problem. And
Teddy Bridgewater was signed for a reason. Jamis Winston was
signed for a reason. Everybody knew that it was getting bad.
And remember, like Sean Payne was like, yeah, we love
to have him back. But it wasn't like they went
full court press in terms of their infatuation with Drew Brees.
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Not because they don't like Drew Brees, but his arms
shot shot like and and and and He is the
cautionary tale for all of these other older quarterbacks. Now,
Aaron Rodgers is I think, what five years younger? Is
that right? Four years younger? But Aaron Rodgers playing in
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the Dome was like, are you kidding me? This is
a joke? Did juice you guys? See when he fakes, hey,
he's gotten so into the Like his ball handling is
so good faking these handoffs, rolls to his left, plants
throws just a seed. Talents are just the seed? What
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because the dome explosive plays throw the ball down the
field have some fun I will give you. Hey, he
didn't have Michael Thomas. Okay, last time I checked, Aaron
Rodgers didn't have Davanta Adams. It's like you took away
both of their top wide receivers. One guy could throw
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the ball wherever he wanted. The other guy just couldn't
even try and push the ball down the field. I mean,
I kind of think and the difference in him and
Peyton Manning and Peyton couldn't throw his last year nine
touchdown seventeen receptions was awful. The difference was that team
was so good to offensively that they could just, hey,
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just don't lose us the game in the playoffs and
we'll get you to a SUPERO and will carry you.
This defense is not good enough to do that. I
think they might get beaten Detroit this week. Detroit should
be two and one. I mean, you just do you
know how hard it is to beat a team when
everyone knows your quarterback can't challenge you deep and now
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the words out, He's gonna have to force some things
down the field, gonna have to take some chances, and
that might end up being worse. Let's not take away
from what Drew Brees has done, but his arm wasn't
strong in San Diego. Obviously he had the surgery he
really worked on. He got more out of his body,
more out of his arm than anyone could have thought possible.
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The Dome helped Sean Payton helped, like, look, you have
arguably the best play color in the last twenty five
years in the NFL. That's how Sean Payton is viewed.
And Sean Payton can't dial up any sort of explosive plays.
That's actually not a Sean Payton problem. That's you problem.
I I know that you know, bringing in you know,
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you bring in Taysom Hill and people start rolling their eyes.
Do you think he would do it if he thought
his starting quarterback was the best option. Of course not.
We can't throw it downfield, so we gotta trick some people.
We gotta play eleven on eleven. We gotta try some
other funky stuff.
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of the Doug Gottli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Let's
start with the Sunday night game where I don't hate
to say I told you so, so, I told you so.
The Green Bay Packers are terrific and they're led by
arguably the greatest quarterback of all time in Aaron Rodgers.
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And while there were many people who said he had
begun his decline and it was a tailspin that no
one can pull out of because of age, we also
pointed out there's a bad, bad fit for Matt Lafleur's offense,
you hear that, And they didn't have enough players around
him or that well, they didn't have Davante Adams, far
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and away their top wide receiver, who sat with a
hamstring issue. And in fairness to the Saints, they still
don't have Michael Thomas, highest paid bide receiver from the league,
who also sat out with that ankle spring and the
game at the end of the At the end the game,
the score is thirty seven thirty and there was a
Taysom Hill play which did really really help the Green
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Bay Packers. But the I told you so comes from this.
Aaron Rodgers is still terrific. Aaron Rodgers is still elite,
and what we've seen from the Packers, I guess the
presumption was that because last year some of the stats
were down, because last year there were some frustrations because
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last year they won thirteen games and people thought, you know,
they're really not that good. They should win should have
won maybe ten of those games, eleven those games, and
they had momentum and just things that went right for him.
Because of all of those things, many people predicted gloom
and doom. That's why they drafted Jordan's Love. Heck, if
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you if you look at it, what's what's fascinating about
the Jordan's Love discussion. T Martin had a decent game.
Is first got a decent game with since Santi Bengals.
That was the next wide receiver up all the other
wide receivers were gone. Well, maybe most fascinated by the
Green Bay Packers assume me T Higgins T Martin T
Higgins is they drafted A. J. Dillon the second round.
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He's that their first and second round player picks. Jordan
loves not even dressing. Tim Boyle's backup doesn't dress for
the game. A J. Dillon's like third or fourth in
the depth chart. They drafted to future future plays. Why
is that? Because they knew they had a hell of
a team, and they assumed partially because he changed his
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body in training, partially because they motivated him by drafting
Jordan's off, partially because he had to be motivated by
everybody telling him he was washed up, and and mostly
because mostly because this is the second year of them together.
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Did we think that last year's thirteen win season and
some of those games and outcomes being fortunate, they automatically
had to regress towards to mean, what if they were
good and they actually got better? Right? Much like Allen
Lazard good and has actually gotten better, Marcus Valdis Gandling
who didn't have a great game yesterday but has been
(03:38):
better good? But Aaron Jones last year good but getting better.
And oh yeah, Aaron Rodgers where last year they were
you know, did he respect the new style and Kyle
Shanahan system which Matt Lafleur was a proponent of. Now
you use those same plays, and if you think that
offense doesn't work, I'll give you the San Francisco forty
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niner is granted to Johns are crummy, but you're playing
with all backups and they go in and with a
backup quarterback and they going light up the giants. The
system works, and then they found a way to kind
of work it together a little bit. Sometimes they go
Aaron Rodger style, give me the shotgun for guys wide,
let's do something fun, oop, do you? Sometimes we go
Kyle Shanahan style, and our our plays absolutely work. He's
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butted into them. They butt into him. The players haven't
proved and guess what, they're arguably the best team in football.
Pretty amazing, right for a guy who people are like, well,
he's gonna end his career elsewhere, Well, maybe he's not
starting by the end of the year. I heard that again.
I've never uttered that. I thought it was pure silliness.
I understand exactly if you watch Drew Brees throw you
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know exactly why you better have a backup plan once
they get older. But I I understand exactly what the
Packers are doing, mostly to protect themselves, partially to motivate
him and Aaron Rodgers came back bigger, stronger, faster, better,
and he's in on the system and they're in on him,
and they let each other do what they do best.
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I don't hate to say I told you so. I
love to say I told you so. And maybe the
most underrated part of what the Packers have done is
they have stayed true to who they are. They have
kept continuity. That's it. They've kept continuity. We're gonna watch
tonight two teams who have tried to keep continuity in
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the offensive side of the football. Yeah, Hayden Hurst has
gone from Baltimore, but mostly it's still roughly the same
and that's why they're so good. Out of the gate,
Kansas City, same thing. Try to keep most the same parts,
changed out running backs, and and look where they are.
People think it's like fantasy football. Add in guy who
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has this talent and puts up these yards and automatically
he's going to with another team. DeAndre Hopkins is one
guy that does seem to work out that way. But
for the most part, I mean, the t Higgins thing
is is the most wow. You should have drafted te Higgins? Why?
Why explain why? Beat? Because this is like I say
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this all the time at trade deadline type trade deadline
time in baseball and basketball, especially if you gotta add
a piece. Remember, if you add a piece, you're telling
a piece in your locker room that he's not good enough.
And that guy that's already in your locker room has
relationships with all the other guys. So when you tell
him he's not good enough, now a sudden, those guys
their mojo is not the same. While the Green Bay
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Packers smartly motivated Aaron Rodgers saying, hey, look, dude, this
thing might not be forever if you don't get yourself
in top condition and buy into some of the stuff
we're doing, they also showed buy into their wide receivers
by not drafting wide receiver. How can we tell you
we believe in you and then not give you the
opportunity to grow? They did, and look what happened, right,
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I mean, they're top the agent wide receiver um signing
opted out so, I mean, look, it's it's pretty amazing
what they've been able to do. And there was especially
considering the assumption, and it was very much an assumption,
the assumption that because last year they were fortunate, because
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last year they were um uh, last year they were
flat flat out lucky to win a couple of those games,
and if they didn't have Aaron Rodgers, that they would
somehow regress towards the mean. Instead, they kept the band together,
the quarterback in the coach found common ground. The wide
receivers have improved, Aaron Rodgers gotten better shaped, and hey
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he's not only not washed up, he might be the
best guy in the league. That's what happened. And I
don't hate to say I told you so. I love
to say I told you so. I did, in fact
tell you so. All Right, we got a lot to
get to. By the way, this uh, this is Matte
floor about the Packers offense back in May once. One
area we need to improve is creating more explosive plays.
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We're pretty much in efficient as an offense. I think
we're fourth in efficiency, but twenty three and explosive plays.
I think that does start with the play calling and
maybe take a few more chances to generate those plays downfield. Typically,
if you're getting explosive, you have a better chance of
scoring points. They're they're top ten and explosive plays through
three weeks. I mean the throw thereon Rodgers made the
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Lazard that was silly play action, roll your left flinging
out there, Lazard fell down, stood up, the thing hit
him in the face mask. I mean it was absolute brilliance,
absolute brilliance. Aaron Rodgers first in two br third touchdowns.
Know yeah, by the way, no interceptions. The difference between
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Rogers and even Russell Wilson is he will not eat
a football and take navy of plays. He will not
throw it into questionable coverage. He will live to fight
another day. And it has absolutely worked. Coming up next,
what's happened to the Dallas Cowboys? Are they better this
season than last season? Is the coaching better? Couple of
my thoughts after the loss of Seattle. Next, be sure
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to catch the live edition of The Doug gott Leap
Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Let's ask
Trent Dilfer, who joins us on the Doug gotlip show
on Fox Sports Radio. Trent, do you what are your
talking when? I when when I say Jalen Hurts is
a starting quarterback right now in the NFL, What do
you think? No? Um, I thought it was. I like
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the draft pick. I think he can be a Swiss
Army knife early in his career, and I value um
to the team. Um but I mean, Carson went this
is a fantastic talent and I was playing very poorly. Um,
but he's a fantastic talent. That is a huge ceiling.
That's that's worth sticking with longer. I think this is
an all hands on deck organizational thing of getting the
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most out of car U and Wentz. I think there's
a lot of layers to how to do that. Okay, So,
so so take me through your like they hire you
as the quarterback coach. Okay, so you got offense qarter
to deal with? Head coach, deal with quarterback to deal with?
How do you begin the process of getting Carson Wentz
back on track? Relentless preparation, focused on the details, UM,
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drilling his instincts to change from being kind of sporadic
and um uh kind of trying to make up play
all the time to be more precision based. Um, you know,
undergoing back and evaluating the big mistakes he's made and
finding the why behind them. You know, what's here, looking
at what's he's seeing, What was he thinking? What happened
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in the secondary would happen up front and piece by piece,
m breaking it down to its most micro level and
then addressing those things on a day day basis. I've
seen quarterbacks dramatically changed within the season if coached really hard.
Where Also this also gets lumped into the conversation of
two thousand twenty and the year it's been for some
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of these players. Um, certain players need more structure, they
need more O T A s, they need more disciplines
how their trained, they lost all of that. Other players
and throw out the balls and they naturally put that discipline.
Carson Wentz is a guy that you constantly have to
be coaching on the little things, on the details, because
he really believes he's superman. Back there. I'd put Cam
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Newton back in his day in the same kind of
category where they're so physically Ben Roethlisberger, they're so physically gifted.
They feels as if they can make a play every
play and they need to grow and in discernment in
their decision making. Uh, and then really fine tune the
details of every single thing they do. And I think
Ben would would go preach it. Amen. I mean Ben
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really hit his Hall of Fame stride when he bought
into the detail work within the week, the day and
day out training of the little things that he played
with more precision. On Sunday, trying to deal for joining
US Super Bowl champion quarterback course head coach at Lipskim
Academy joins to the Doug Gottlip Show on Fox Sports Radio.
What about Nick Fools? How can he he? Now he
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has the Bears job? Of course he worked with all
these guys before, right, Uh. De Filippo, of course he
worked with in Philadelphia like you kind of laser he
worked with, I believe in Kansas City, like all of
these guys he's worked with before. Now he's worked with
going back when they were in Philadelphia together. How can
he keep this job? See him? You know, I think
when he struggled, teams have asked him to be something
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he's not. He's a true like spread quarterback, and I
think that's what these guys saw with him in Chicago.
They've been around him when he's played his best football,
and it was spread offense. It was kind of that
Saturday offense on Sundays. He's a guy's great pocket presence. Um. Alright,
if you go back to his college evaluation at the
highest conflict rating of any quarterback coming out that year,
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meaning when there was conflict in the pocket. Um. So
he can play with five six man protections. Uh, he
sees layers really well. So he sees kind of the
vertical first, second, and third layers very well. Uh. He
knows how to stretch the field horizontal and get the
ball quick. Uh. He's everything you kind of want in
a And again I used spread lightly because NFL will
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never be fully spread, but there's way more spread concepts
in it. And I think the Bears probably run as
many as any team. Uh. He fits that sits and
he can get through a progression. Uh. He's got a
tremendous football i Q. So he's gonna win the pre
snap game. I think athletically physically he has a mid
ceiling um. But he's a really really good fit for
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this Bears offense. Okay, so Aaron Rodgers has obviously exploded
this year. Early on they have more explosive play, something
that was badly missing from before. But again, I just
these are layman's eyes. You're the expert, Okay, So from
a layman's perspective, I feel like they're still using the
Kyle shan In hand offense, which he's a little bit
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more brought into. And and you know, the run game
obviously works and the guys are running free, and then
every once in a while they let Aaron b Aaron
and put him back in the shotgun and kind of
do his thing. It feels like year two the marriage
is working, whereas year one it was clunky. Tell me
what I'm missing by your expertise, I don't want you
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miss anything. I think he said it perfectly. I think
they've they've got him to buy into the hard action stuff,
the movement, the play action, um, the stuff of the floor.
Really is an expert and they probably learned from each other.
To be honest with you, the relationship is really good. Um,
they're both football geeks. Aaron is a control freak, and
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I'm sure Matt has kind of allowed that to happen,
knowing that Aaron needs to be in control of the
line of scrimmage. So even within the Shanahan stuff, I
bet you Aaron is making a lot of the decisions
in the run game, which which way to go actions UM,
winning the game to call them on in distant situations,
but you gotta at air and b are and two
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and use a snap count to his advantage, spread them out,
use the quick passing game. UM. And you're seeing a
nice marriage of both. So they probably spent a lot
of time on Zoom this offseason just talking through um
kind of the marriage of the two philosophies, and and
it's a nice miss. It's it's really hard to defend both,
you know, especially because they're using common personnel groups for both.
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So it's really hard for a defense when they see
twelve role on the field to know if it's going
to be outside zone action movement or if it's going
to be two by two spread quick passing games. They're
two totally different defensive calls or different line stuffs stunts
up front. There's different dogs and blitzes. You use the
defend to vend those two things. So, uh, they probably
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found this perfect little balance where they're comfortable with each
other's expertise and then Matt's done a really good job
letting air and b are and it kind of run
the show because Aaron's at his best when he's the
alph out there, when he he truly is he's either
approving of the play call or he's making the play call.
Peyton Mary was very similar to that Doug out the
show here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, whereas there are
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times last year where you you do almost see any
like you could tell he didn't think it was gonna
work before when he got the ball and then he
just dirt the ball to throw it away and then
kind of almost give you a look like see told
just so your dummy. That's kind of good, kind of
the feeling he gave you. Yeah, And I get all
of us that play the position for a long time,
you know, you see there's a different view of the game.
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There's a current quarterbacks view of the game where you
see the little subtle body language things, you see the
spacing um, you see matchups, and then there's the up
in the box I that sees the whole field at
all twenty two and very often they're very different perspectives.
And I think the really good play callers appreciate the
quarterbacks perspective, because we're able to see stuff ground level
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see stuff and maybe they can't see up there, or
maybe they think they see it too clearly, but it's
not a reality. Um, and I think that takes time,
and it takes communication and takes Hey, this is what
I was seeing, this is why I saw it, This
is why I want to do what I wanted to do.
Tell me your why, and you keep working through those
wise as a play caller and a quarterback, eventually you
find that commonality that leads to you having that sympatica relationship.
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Fascinating stuff from from from Trent Diver's Doug Outlip Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. What did Bill Belichick do
to confuse Derek Carr? You know the type? And not Again,
I haven't watched study the Al twenty two, so I'm
going off TV copies, so I might be a little
off here. But man coverage one high man coverage, which
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is kind of what Bill went to a few years ago.
It's just bread and butter. It's what they dominated the
rams within the Super Bowl. Um, it seems very simple
on as a shell. In high school football it's very simple,
and college football it's very simple. You get the NFL
and it can be very complex. There's gonna be a
lot of trade offs, there can be a lot of
false keys. You can do a lot of stuff and
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if you have really smart football players, what it looked
like to me was they lined up and showed Derek
one picture and when the ball was snapped, he confirmed
the picture. But as the play was going on, there
were subtle little changes within the secondary trading off of receivers,
trading technique outside the inside, almost as if Bill said, Okay,
this is what they do, this whichall likes to call
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I've been studying them for years. They're gonna see in
inside technique on number two, they're gonna want to throw
this or we're a show inside technique and they're gonna
play outside shoulder. Because there was definitely I think Derek
played bad, but he wasn't nearly as decisive as he's
as as he has been. And my guesses there was
some subtle post snap changes in the picture that Derek
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saw in that one high man defense. You know, it's
it's interesting we're talking about folds earlier. That's what everybody
told me about Robinski is he makes it. He confirms it,
he snabs it, and then when there's a subtle difference,
that's when he gets a little bit infused and he
either has to run it or he kind of has
to guess. Whereas the best of the best the best,
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you make it. You make a subtle change and they
can process that quickly and make the mental adjustment, no doubt.
And you got to know when to give them on
a play. That's the hardest lesson. Not to give on
a play, give up on a progression, like so often
you work so hard during the weekend. These guys, hey,
even the ones not playing well, are working hard during
the week They're studying tape, they're grinding, they're fighting for
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their jobs. They know that hundreds of millions dollars are
on the line. Um. But sometimes you over prepare and
you say, okay, it's gonna be this look. I'm gonna
get the balls gonna be snapped. I've confirmed the look.
I'm throwing it to this guy, and then something changes
about half a second into the play. And when you're
young and experience, you stick with it, and that's when
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you see the indecisiveness. That's when you see the interceptions.
Instead of saying, oh, Okay, I don't like that. Look,
I'm gonna go number two. I'm gonna go number three.
That's why I keep telling people, if you really want
to see the difference in backs, just watch their eyes.
You don't even have to know what they're looking at.
Just watch their eyes. And if their eyes are calm
and moving throughout the field, they're gonna be fine. If
they're staying locked in on something and you kind of
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see their feet and their eyes bouncing, well they're like,
wait a second, this isn't like practice, This isn't what
I prepared for. But yet I'm gonna force a square
peg into a round hole. Sure, trend over and join,
said the Dug Gottlieb Show. Um, do we make anything
of Brady targeting Gronk seven times? Like Gronk had a
(20:31):
comment last week like hey, I'm I'm a blocking tight
end now right then all of a sudden and behold
he looks his way seven times. It's just it kind
of again. Total outsider to me feels almost feels like, okay,
like Bruce, we get that you want to criticize Tom
when he doesn't play well, but publicly and then publicly
criticizing grounk like that, we we gotta know what we're
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doing here. Right. Privately is one thing. Publicly is a
completely different thing. Kind of felt like a little bit
of nephew to them. Or am I reading too much
into it? No? I don't think you're too much into it.
You've been in those locker rooms, We've been around with
your whole life. I mean, I actually think it's a
pretty good side of coaching. That and player communication. There's
no doubt that Gron and Tom went in and said, hey,
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you know there's some stuff we can do here. We've
been doing this for a long time. That's in our
first rodeo. Um, give us a chance to let it work. Um.
I don't think they drew it up in the dirt.
I think it's probably a Monday meeting, to be honest
with you, and into Bruce's credit and and all the
people on board in their offense's credit, that they listen
and they said, yeah, you're probably right, we probably need
to run some shallow crosses. You'd probably run some stuff
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that you do a great job with, I hope, with
other things to make our offense more diverse. Um. Not
everything has to be bad. Conflict I think there's a
lot of healthy conflict that goes on and healthy discussions
are going about, hey, there's a there's other ways of
doing it. Uh, And you know we've done this for
a while. We can we can get this thing done.
I bet you that did happen. Yeah, I mean that's
(21:57):
a that's a healthy conflict. That is a great way story. Yeah,
I'll give you a story work Like nobody cares about
my high school experience, but it's a really talented kid,
first year, planned receiver, kind of a project in, never
a good hand, but really really talented. And the kids credit.
He has worked as far as any of my kids
this year because me a couple of weeks ago sets
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a meeting time since says coach, I want to ask
you a real question. Is there a reason why I'm
not getting fed the ball more? Because if there is,
I want to fix it. And I said, I really
appreciate you come to me this one like this. You've
done a great job, You've exceeded expectations, and you know what,
You're right, we have not throwing you the ball on them.
You're absolutely right. For you're a seventeen year old kid
coming to a four day year old gray Beard has
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been around the game a long time. But you know what,
you are right, we need to get you the ball more.
He's had six catches and two touchdowns since then. Um,
he was right, he needed to be targeted more. And
you know what, also have some other talented kids that
my mind's on all the time and game get you
get into the game, and certain schemes work in certain
calls of work and always want to give my tell
back the ball and most blah blah blah blah blah.
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But I think those are good conversations. If you're a
good coach, you listen and instead of getting defensive, you say,
you know what, Yeah, I probably should throw you six
six to pound kid that runs four or five five
and has a forty invertical leaf football. More often. I've
been a bad coach not to throw it to you
more often? I can? I can? I give you one? Yeah.
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Trend Dealer's our guest Do Gotlieve Show, Fox Sports Radio.
I'm at Oklahoma State midway through my my my first year,
I think maybe my second, I can't remember. And when
I was at Notre Dame, my coach would run one
side ball screen and he kept running. It's called three
side and very basic NBA set play. He was a
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John McCloud former NBA coach, and the entire year he
ran it from on the left side to my right
hand and I try, I explained to the assistant coach.
I explained to the head coach, like, hey, look, I
can't shoot off a ball screen going to my right.
I can work on it, but I can. I'm I'm
drem actually better and more comfortable shooting in my left
and his point was, well, you're right handed, you better
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passing the ball with your right hand. And this is more,
we really want you to come off and look for
the roleman or look for the shooter in the week
side corner. And I tried to explain him, like, coach, listen,
I get that, but you're actually dealing with one of
the only human beings that actually passes just as well
with his left hand as he does his right, and
I physically don't feel comfortable shooting the ball. It wasn'
until the very end of the year that he once
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made an adjustment. I go to Oaklahoma State. My dad
had been an assistant with Eddie Sutton forty years previously,
and I was doing great, but I just wasn't comfortable
within the half court offense in terms of looking for
points or really you know, turning the corner on handoffs whatever.
So he called my dad, and my dad was in
town for a game. What what do you run with him?
He said, you know, I always ran this Ralph Miller
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one four high HiT's the high post back door of
the wing, and then he gets a little hand off
and he's really good at either turning the corner or
finding the big guy when he rolls. Like that's where
he's really comfortable. Ran in high school as well. He comes.
I was like, why didn't you tell me that? I said, well,
like you never asked my first year playing for you
put it in a staple of what we did, kind
of same thing that is, it's actually really good coaching,
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but it also sometimes comes down to the players being
able to communicate and saying this is what I need
to be successful exactly. It's it's communication, it's healthy conflict.
And then coaches out to the learners. I'm so sick
of these coaches. I think they have all the answers
you know you got you got to be a learner
all the time. You'll be studying your players, studying your coaches,
studying your organization, UM, studying trend studying emotions. I mean,
(25:31):
I find myself sitting up in this office something right now,
spending four or five days, hours a day just learning
about the guys I'm around with all the time. You're
always learned. The more you learn about them, the more
you get out of Did you did you play for
Mike Nolan in San Francisco? I did? Ye? Does? He? Does?
He know what he's It feels like he's he's It
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doesn't feel like a great fit with the cowboys, and
he's a mad scientist. Um. He's very exo driven. He
does have some very very good stuff, but it takes
it takes players to buy into what he's trying to
get to. He's not a Tony Dungee. Lineup in four
defenses and go play hard and run to the ball.
He wants to beat you at the chalk um. If
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his players buy into it can be very like when
he was in Baltimore and he was building some of
those defenses. They were nasty because they bought into the scheme.
They bought into all the the nuance of it, all
the rules, all the changes, all the communication. Um, it
takes all eleven guys buying into all the stuff because
every week it's a new package. Every week it's designed
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to take away the the offensive scheme and there's a
lot of learning weekend and week out. They last thing
got Ravens Chiefs Tonight last year, these two teams played
and Lamar did not play well, looked a little bit overwhelmed.
Is tonight and night where we'll find out how much
Lamar has improved. Yes, but I think it's on all
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the Ravens. It's not just on the are I mean
they got it. They got to the strength of the
Ravens is in the three phases. It's in the diversity
of the offense. They can running inside, running outside, run Lamar,
throw shot, throw it deep. You know, it's got to
be the whole thing. They can't just say hey, it's
Lamar verse Patrick. It's gotta be okay. This is how
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we're gonna finish the race. This is how we're gonna
win the championship. Is we're gonna be a great three
face football team, and offensively, we're gonna show our diversity
and not just put it on the quarterback. Every single
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Last night, the Packers beat the Saints thirty seven to thirty.
Drew Brees lost the game. He's last in average air
yards per attempt. He's attempted four passes over twenty yards
down the field this season. Last night, zero orro passes
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were attempted beyond twenty yards. I want want you, I
want you to to think about that for a second. Not
over thirty, not over forty, Okay, over twenty. And the
games the game was played indoors like that, that's a
it's a big thing indoors. Ask any of these quarterbacks.
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You're like, man, warm weather, indoors. I'd rather play indoors
the never. There's no moisture on the ball, it's not
too hot, not too cold, there's no wind, there's no nothing.
You can just sling it. It adds years to your
football life. It's one of the reasons I believe that
that Peyton Manning, despite his arm issues, was find an indie.
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He went to Denver, which normally outside that's not great
in the cold, and he did struggle. If you remember
when they lost member Joe Flacco through that absolute seed
to beat them in the playoffs in Peyton's fifty touchdown year,
remember that one of the reasons that he struggled, one
of the reasons that they punted to Joe Flacco was
the wind was in his face. He couldn't throw the football.
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But the altitude during the year when there's not wind
added life to his fastball. If you will. Drew Brees
last an average air yard for attempt, not Gardner Minshew,
not Ryan Fitzpatrick, not any his arm appears to be shot.
None of this stuff is coincidence, right, None of its
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coincidence that two years ago it got bad at the
end of the season. Last year he was hurt with
the thumb and he came back and it was not
great in the playoffs, like we we do this thing,
We're like, well, they lost because they got screwed on
a call. Okay, like two years ago when they lost
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to the Rams. Two years ago when they lost to
the Rams. Remember the first pass of that series, Okay,
on first down, Drew Brees audiitized threw the ball at
the feet of an open wide receiver. It was just
(30:14):
a terrible throw. This has been a growing problem. And
Teddy Bridgewater was signed for a reason. Jamis Winston was
signed for a reason. Everybody knew that it was getting bad.
And remember, like Sean Payne was like, yeah, we love
to have him back. But it wasn't like they went
full court press in terms of their infatuation with Drew Brees.
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Not because they don't like Drew Brees, but his arms
shot shot like and and and and He is the
cautionary tale for all of these other older quarterbacks. Now,
Aaron Rodgers is I think, what five years younger? Is
that right? Four years younger? But Aaron Rodgers playing in
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the Dome was like, are you kidding me? This is
a joke? Did juice you guys? See when he fakes, hey,
he's gotten so into the Like his ball handling is
so good faking these handoffs, rolls to his left, plants
throws just a seed. Talents are just the seed? What
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because the dome explosive plays throw the ball down the
field have some fun I will give you. Hey, he
didn't have Michael Thomas. Okay, last time I checked, Aaron
Rodgers didn't have Davanta Adams. It's like you took away
both of their top wide receivers. One guy could throw
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the ball wherever he wanted. The other guy just couldn't
even try and push the ball down the field. I mean,
I kind of think and the difference in him and
Peyton Manning and Peyton couldn't throw his last year nine
touchdown seventeen receptions was awful. The difference was that team
was so good to offensively that they could just, hey,
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just don't lose us the game in the playoffs and
we'll get you to a SUPERO and will carry you.
This defense is not good enough to do that. I
think they might get beaten Detroit this week. Detroit should
be two and one. I mean, you just do you
know how hard it is to beat a team when
everyone knows your quarterback can't challenge you deep and now
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the words out, He's gonna have to force some things
down the field, gonna have to take some chances, and
that might end up being worse. Let's not take away
from what Drew Brees has done, but his arm wasn't
strong in San Diego. Obviously he had the surgery he
really worked on. He got more out of his body,
more out of his arm than anyone could have thought possible.
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The Dome helped Sean Payton helped, like, look, you have
arguably the best play color in the last twenty five
years in the NFL. That's how Sean Payton is viewed.
And Sean Payton can't dial up any sort of explosive plays.
That's actually not a Sean Payton problem. That's you problem.
I I know that you know, bringing in you know,
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you bring in Taysom Hill and people start rolling their eyes.
Do you think he would do it if he thought
his starting quarterback was the best option. Of course not.
We can't throw it downfield, so we gotta trick some people.
We gotta play eleven on eleven. We gotta try some
other funky stuff.
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Doug Gottlieb
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