October 15, 2020 • 37 mins
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Fox Sports Radio. Hope you're having a great day. We're
trying to have a good one with you. Interesting news
in the world of the association as um tylu is,
give me the head coach of the Clippers, John Mitalkoff
is gonna join us in twenty minutes. Get his thoughts
on Justin Herbert. Why so many were down on the
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Oregon quarterback who people are now up on as the
starting quarterback of the Chargers. Got it, got it, got
a good amount to get to here, um, And then
you know, look something Dave Roberts did that. I saw that.
I was kind of I've been kind of impressed by that.
Other people kind of poopooed a little bit, So I
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want to get to that upcoming. So some of the
Dave Roberts did actually in Game two that I will
credit him for and we'll we'll have open discussion Tyron
lose your new head coach of the Clippers, and you're like, wait,
wasn't he supposed to coach the Lakers last year? From
what I've been told, this was a battle of wills
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between the owner, Steve Bohmer and uh the advisor in
Jerry West, and Jerry West said you gotta go Tyloo. Now,
Jerry West is arguably or maybe inarguably the greatest executive
in the history of the sport of basketball. Made the
Kobe trade. They'll build up several dynasties there with Kobe, Shack,
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Lakers um and and of course he was he was
part of the process us with the Warriors and their
draft picks. It's not given he wasn't the general managerment.
It's like getting full credit. And he's been part of
the process with putting together the Clippers team, although it's
not like he's the president of the general manager. He's
an advisor. On the other hand, times like this, you
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lean on a guy who knows who's Jerry West has
forgotten more about basketball and Steve Bamber's ever going to
know and let let me explain why this makes sense. Look,
there's a very short list of guys that can get
this job, very short list. It just is you can't
fire Doc Rivers and and replace him with David Fizdale.
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I love Dave fizzdalies from l a great guy, but
he's gotten fired from two jobs in the NBA anddn't
want anything can fizz Coaching at in the professional ranks
is less about X and o's and more about ken
You can you have an ego because you have to
have confidence because they will see through you. You cannot.
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I I think of star NBA players, have you guys,
do you guys remember watching Durrassic Park, the original Durrassic Park.
Do you remember the raptors and and what the what
the why? The ranger said about the raptors that they're smart,
they're cunning. They never attacked the fence in the same
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place twice. Remember that. That's but they're constantly testing the fence.
That's essentially NBA players. They're gonna constantly test that fence
to see if they get zapped by it, and it
may never be the same way and they will attack
less if they respect the guy more. Now, is it
hard to move over eighteen inches from assistant coach the
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head coach. Absolutely. Um, But I don't think this is
rearranging deck chairs in the Titanic. I think there's a
pretty clear and obvious Hey, those guys have to respect
the head coach and have to respect staff. And now
you're bringing in a Chauncey Billups, who, though he hasn't
coached before, one of the most respected former players in
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terms of how players feel about him. This is the
same thing as the Steve Nash hires head coach. You
gotta get somebody who's lived it, who's walked it, who's
been a part of it. It's one of the reasons
Jason Kidd has become a really good assistant coach with
the Lakers because was he a great head coach to
this point. No, But Jason Kidd has has been through
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the battles, been through the wars, and he can be
a liaison, a connector between head coach and players. So again,
I don't know if it fixes the problems of the Clippers,
but Bomber knows that this this team had a problem
in terms of um, not necessarily the competency of the coach,
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but were they listening to him, did they respect him?
And if you're gonna replace Dr Vers, who's one NBA
championship who's a former NBA player with somebody, it better
be another guy who's a former NBA champion and has
been a play are and they respect. You know, I
coached Lebron, I play with Kobe and Shack and and
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coach KG and those in KG is a nut. He
is not easy to coach and Paul pierced to all
those guys. I've been there before. It's why And I've
heard people you know, well, why can't you know what?
Why does a w NBA coach or why can't you
know r e M a coach? Men? Because it's hard
for you to walk into a room full of men
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and say, hey, we ran this for Diane Razzie and
now we're gonna run up for Kawhi Leonard. They can
respect the women's game. That doesn't mean they don't respect it.
But when you say that, they go like it a
different league. Buddy, you can get mad at me for
saying it. I'm telling you the reality of it, right
that the reason that former players work is they've been
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there before and they go like man I know, I
know your legs are fried, I know you're tired. You
just gotta give me five more minutes. And somebody who's
been there for the championships before, also their things reverberate more.
They just do. So. I think people thought there would
be some massive change. I didn't think so. I think
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Van Gundy would have been a massive change. Van Gundy
probably goes back to Houston now. But this to me is, hey,
we we feel like we're close, but the difference is
gonna be we we gotta hire somebody who has the
respect of the locker room. In order to get respect
to the locker room, you have to have won a championship.
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In order to win a championship, you have to have
respect to locker room. It's a catch twenty two and
I think Van Gundy would have been fine, But it
would have been hard having been out of the league
as a coach for ten years and whatever relationships ships
were already uh you know, started with Kawai let it.
I'm not sure how Kauai would have done with a
completely new staff next year. Now he has some familiarity.
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Johnson Bill has been around the team as their broadcast ster,
as now their lead assistant coach. It makes sense. It
makes sense doesn't mean they'll when it's important to point out,
I don't think that they collapsed because simply of Doc Rivers.
I think they all hailed the quarantine and the bubble
really poorly. They would just were not a good bubble team.
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Saw that happening before it actually happened. Yes, rhyme music.
What is sort of the middle ground that Tylu needs
to find between what Doc Rivers did? Because Doc Rivers
always had a really good reputation for, you know, being
able to manage all those personalities that you talked about
back in Boston, and then some of the reports about
why they sort of let him go in Los Angeles
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and why he may have lost the locker room was
because he perhaps you know, did too much to play
favorites with the likes of a Kawhi Letter and a
Paul George. So, if you're Tylu and you're stepping into
this situation, how do you balance the You clearly need
to try and keep the star happy, but then you
also need to try and not fall into the same
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foots that just got the other guy fired. Uh. My
first answer is I don't know, because I don't know
enough about the dynamics the guys I know on that staff,
I don't know if they'll return um, but I can,
I can find out a little bit more about it.
I was just when I talk to those guys, I
talked to other people, They're like they were just not
into the bubble. I would the first thing I would
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do is, whoever the biggest clubhouse lawyer is, if we
can replace him, he'd be gone. You know, if it's
Lou Williams, who you know, Lu has a contract which
most people would say is undervalue, only makes like eight
million dollars a year or something. But I I just
I thought, when you went out and got wings and
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you know, you end up getting yourself into quarantine, I
think that's a terrible look for everybody else who wants
to compete for a championship. Remember the Clippers voted to
not go into the bubble. So I think the first
thing is we have to understand it was a weird
and quirky year, and had he simply closed out in
games five or six, the Denver Nuggets, they probably beat
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the Lakers because they were bad. Matt tough matchup for
the Lakers. Don't think it's crazy that they beat him.
If nothing else, that's like a seven game war of
a series. And who knows what the Lakers have left
for the NBA Finals, but they didn't. So the first
thing is we have to remember the bubble plays a factor.
But I would I would find the most replaceable guy
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who was the biggest pain in the ass, and I
would get rid of them and just go like, you
don't have to say anything to everybody else, every Like,
I know he's gone, I know he's got people forget
that the Lakers did this, and um, the first the
three peet with Shack and Kobe. Do you guys remember
who the third scoring weapon was on that team? You
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want to try their ramos? The first three pet but
the first the first championship of the Lakers three with Kobe?
See was it Glenn Glenn Robinson? Yes? Glenn? Right? Then Rice?
Do you remember why Glenn Rice was jettison away? Maybe
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him and Phil didn't get along well a little bit
of that. Yeah, buy, are you want to hop in
on this? Do you remember? I know other things. I
remember other things about Glenn Rice, but not specifically with
the Lakers. Okay, so here's what happened. Here's what what
people forget. Phil Jackson took over a team that want
that in the lockout shortened year went thirty one and nineteen,
lost in the conference semis. Right, Del Harris got fired.
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Kurt Rambis was the coach at the end of the year, Right,
and so Phil Jackson comes in. And in addition to
adding Phil Jackson, they added Glenn Rice. And Glenn Rice
was unhappy with his playing time. He'd always been the
star of the go to guy wherever he had played previously,
but not on winning teams. Glenn Rice was thirty two
years old. He averaged sixteen a game, and during the
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NBA Finals, his then wife I think you wife maybe
fiancee um was quoted as saying, you know that Phil
won't play him, philled us like him. YadA, YadA, YadA YadA.
Now he was third on the team in minutes, third
on the team in um uh in, scoring its sixteen
a game. And do you know who was curiously absent
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from the next season's roster, Right, It's like, look, we
can end And by the way, that was Jerry West
last year kind of running the team. They got rid
of him and they made an adjustment, and they brought
in Derek Fisher was the third leading score. The next
year they had Horace Grant and and those were you know,
Phil Jackson, guys Ron Harper. They didn't have as much talent,
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but they had a guy who was complaining behind the scenes,
like oh yeah, yeah, I hear you complaining. You get
your championship, bring and go away. This team didn't win
a championship. There was clearly complaining. I would find the
biggest winer, who's the most replaceable, get rid of him,
start new. The reason they lost, The reason the Dodgers
lost Game two is the same reason I have faith
in them to win the series. I'll tell you why next.
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Doug Otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. You guys watched and Ramoston,
I know you watched all of the Dodgers series, right
against um who they playing against the right. Do you
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remember what happened in Game two when they were down three?
Nothing vagueley at all? Pitching wires? Uh? Did they take
out Walker Bueller? Well? They did. Um, they brought in
Dustin May. I think, well, okay, so so here's here's
basically what happened. Uh they walker Bueler was game one
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game too, Yeah, okay, they took a gonsoltiness who pitched
games to correct correct. So what happened was to start
the game they had Gonslin pitching and he wasn't pitching great.
They brought in Pedro bias Um and then they worked
through Bayas and they were they were trying to figure
out how high a leverage the situation it was. They
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used McGhee, they used Flora, Um, they kind of sprinkled
it around right like you're like, why they use Jake McGhee,
Why they use um Flora? Why did they use these guys?
Dylan Flora? Why would they why would they use that guy?
And Dave Roberts's answer after the game I thought was
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really interesting to take a listen, this is after game two.
I know they played game three in game four's tonight,
here's after game two. There's a thing of obviously, you know,
in a deficit, you know who they've got available. But
I think that tonight, I think we did a good
job of getting other guys in there to get their
feet wet as far as in this series, um to
not stress them for them to be available in the
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coming days. But you just can't play every game regardless
regardless of score, like its life for death in a
seven game series, and you're like, wait, wait, wait a second,
it was life for death or down two games and
even using caloric in the ninth inning or yeah, the
ninth inning when the score was tied at at seven apiece,
he gives up what was the game winning run? Right,
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which is weird with some of the decisions that he made.
And and what Dave Roberts said was like, look, we're
down three nothing and we gott at least get guys
to have their feet wet, because you don't know. This
is the difference in Dave Roberts and Joe Madden. Now,
Joe Madden won the World Series with the Cups, but
it nearly lost it. If you remember that year, I
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had friends that were in the bullpen and he only
would pitch three guys out of the bullpen. How many
games did that series go? World Series? It went seven
games with Cleveland? Correct? Correct? Was Cleveland a good team?
They were very good? Yes, but we're they weren't better
than a right like Trevor Bauer was out because he
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had the finger. They were missing their best, their best
I can't remember who their best starting pitcher was, but
he was out. Like they were terribly depleted, and yet
the Cubs kind of kept them in the game. They
kept him in the game because he earlier didn't trust
anybody else in the playoffs except for the three Vets
that have been there before, and so by the time
they got to Game seven, they were fried. Here you
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have Dave Roberts who's been there before, and it's a
little bit of a roll of the dice. But as
you pointed out here, the Braves have a bullpen game now.
They have Kershaw going tonight, and if his back holds
up and he can get him through this, their bullpen
has seen work. You can't have guys you sit there
on ice for a month and then throw them into
Game six or Game seven of the NLCS and go like, well,
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your numbers say you're gonna be good tonight. No one
knows what they're gonna be. Like. You gotta get him
some run, you gotta get him out there, war him up,
let him throw from the mound figure it out. You know.
Now you have Clayton Kershaw going against UM basically a
bullpen clue CROWFM Atlanta. And if they can win tonight
and get it all squared, it to a piece. And
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they got Walker Bueller going in game four. Obviously his
blisters are is a problem. But considering they've gotten quality
used now out of their bullpen, and they've gotten everybody
in and everybody to kind of get a look and
everybody get a lather going. Now they get their two
best pictures going, like amazing, how quickly this thing can turn.
And I do think that Game two is a factor
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as to why that's a short term loss a long
term success even in a shortened series of seven games.
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Fox Sports Radio. Saw you tweeting about Darryl morey Um,
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I like that. Everybody says Billy Bean style doesn't work,
Like dude, They're in the playoffs, spending no money, with
no fans and no stadium. What am I missing? But
I I'm gonna disagree with you in terms of Marie.
I do think they spend money in Houston, but let's
not kid ourselves. It's not like it's a destination job.
And they've been more than competitive, and I think, look,
the big flood of Houston is their best players are
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great talent, but he's not a winner and son, all
those things considered, I actually think they are more did
a hell of a job during his time there. Yeah,
I mean if his hard move, there's there's no way
around it was incredible. He was ahead of the current
on that one. Now, like you said, the last couple
of years of kind of exposed Harden. My issues are
more with his stubbornness with the three point shot, and
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clearly he's the one mandating that when they shot twenty
seven in a row. And like there's also he remember
last year they leave proprietary league information. He's got a
lot of buddies in the in the NBA media and listen,
he's a very very smart individual. And I commit, you know,
for what he said about China, the one guy in
the league that stood out to him. But I I
just think he said over and over, well in Vegas,
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we're gonna win. We'd win this nine out of ten times,
or the Excel spreadsheet we said we would have won
this seventy five out of you know, a hundred times. Well, Darrell,
you lost and you consistently lost, and he always kind
of leaned on that as a crutch. To me. The
major difference, like, I can't compare Billy Bean and Daryl
Morey in the sense of Billy's owner gives them no money.
I mean, their payrolls at the bottom of the league.
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Every year. He has multiple, you know, two hundred million
dollar players for the last handful of years, Chris James,
even d White, they maxed out obviously training for Russell
like he's operating at a completely different level than Billy.
And I agree, I'm I'm, I'm fully I have I
have an agenda here, I have a bias. I don't
I despise the Houston Rockets. I don't like it. I
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don't like Houston Rockets either. I don't really like the
way James Harden plays. Uh. I would say though that that, um,
you know, the goal as a general manager generally is
to be as competitive as possible as long as possible,
And yeah, you'd like to win a championship. I just
I don't know if that's ever happening with James Harden
is your best player no matter what. Should you put
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lipstick on a pig otherwise? And I'm not saying the
guy is not good at his job. I'm just saying overrated. Yes,
And he does and he does the I'm the smartest
person in the room thing, which is great, but it
doesn't necessarily always win your games, right like we're you know,
Jerry West is Jerry West does the odd G Schucks thing.
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Jerry West is a brilliant basketball guy, and he's been
more successful during his time as a league executive. Let's
get to the NFL, shall we um? Let's let's I
want to start with Justin Herbert. Did you see this coming? Uh? No?
I mean I didn't think he would look this good. Now.
I was beating the drum. I think he should start
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day one, but that was more for development, not because
I thought that he would run around and throw you know,
seventy yard bab's on a string. I knew he had
a big arm. I think if you look at Josh Allen,
who was similar to Justin Herbert in terms of big
time athlete, really high character guy, huge arm, and Justin
was way more acomplished coming out of college than than
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Josh Allen was. But I think they check a lot
of the same boxes, and he went to a team
that was much more ready to win, just in terms
of the offensive skill guys around him, and Justin, you know,
who was much more accurate than Josh Allen is translated.
Now there's a playmaking element that I definitely and I
think it's fair to say the Chargers probably not many
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people around the NFL thought would be this good, this quick.
I think that one of the most underrated things. Uh.
And I think this rings true in basketball too, but
in the NFL when it comes to quarterbacks and when
it comes to basketball with your with your best player,
because you can't really quantify it, but people in the
sport and people that watch it and know it when
they see it is toughness. And I don't think there
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have been many star quarterbacks, you know, in my thirty
five years of life that I've watched that have not
had like borderline elite toughness, you know, just the willingness
to stand in, the willingness to get hit. And if
you look at justin Now. Part of it is like
he's really big, so I don't think he's that scared
of defensive lineman. But I have not seen him and
he's getting destroyed. I haven't seen him flint once. Now
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I've seen him. Probably takes some unneeded shots. But wouldn't
you agree that just it's not even reckless, but just
how the toughness that he displays. You know, I'm running
has been it's pretty ile and you never truly know
till you see it. And once you see it, you go, yeah,
well he's got it. And when you have that to me,
then you can just work on all the fundamental stuff
and you've got a chance to be a really good player. Well,
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I agree. You know what's interesting is it's one of
the things, you know, Kim, Remember what Cam got kind
of criticized for was he didn't go for a ball
that was at his feet in Super Bowl six point
game and whatever. But Cams has said timing like he
does not like guys at his feet. Right, He's another
big old dude, built like an absolute mack truck, but
he does not like guys at his feet, whereas and
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I know guys aren't at your feet and he did
get he got rolled up on a little bit in
the game. It was it was an excessive the roughness penalty.
But yeah, the kids are remarkable in you know, they're
they're out there down three offensive linemen. They're down there
three you know they're I mean, they traded for Trade Turner,
Keenan Keenan Allen disappeared after the first quarter in that
Monday night he got he got hurt. But I mean,
you don't have Pouncy your center, you don't have Blago
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who's your veteran, and you don't have Trade Turner you
just traded for, and you can't run the football and
you're back there under dress. Yeah, I mean, um, I
think he could get the good defensive against a physical front. Yes,
you know, I mean it was hit the Saints. They
might not be able to cover, but they'll hit you,
all right. What do we think of Brady now that
we've seen him seemingly get confused over down looked, a
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little rattle, look, a little upset his offensive line? What
do we What do we think of Brady now we're
past five games in Yeah, I just think there's a
lot going on in that organization, you know, just the
learning process, learning his new teammates, the coming on the
same page as his offensive coordinator, slash head coach, slash,
you know all the offensive staff where he's been pretty
He's had a consistent staff for the better part of
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a decade now, and I felt pretty confident about this
come and end of the season. It was gonna take
some time. Now, no one could have guessed the you know,
him holding up the four fingers. But I think more
of that is just a lot going on. He's a
little thrown off the penalties. He's not used to a
lot of this stuff, like you just don't don't see
very often New England. Just the offensive lineman just gets
destroyed one on one. Why because when they have limitations
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they give them help. They don't they don't have schematic
uh mistakes typically like that in New England and most organizations,
especially a guy like Bruce Harrians that wants to throw
it deep going seven step drops, Well, you're just gonna
put your offensive linemen sometimes in tough spots, especially when
you're playing top teams. I still think they're gonna look
a lot better in the second half of the season. Now.
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I had a head coach tell me that he thought
Tampa was the best of all the teams that he's
seen so far in tape, the best front seven in
the NFL, and he thought that Vida Vale was their
best player. So he got bound. So you would think
Tampa is not gonna be quite as good on defense,
which means there's gonna be a little more pressure on
because there hasn't been that much pressure on Brady in
the offense. Their defense has been so good beside that
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first week, and even Brady led to a couple you know,
obviously threw a pick six in that game and threw
another pick. So I just think that they're gonna need
more balance in terms of the offense scoring, especially as
they played good teams, you know, twenty to thirty points,
where you know it's been a little hit or miss.
I mean, the Bears are a good defense, but the
Brady's the offense just looked discombobulated. A lot of talk
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in the NFL. You look at one of the top
defense in the league gets the Colts. It's interesting because
I they I think they thought I think they thought
they could get Rivers for two, not just one year.
They try it out this year. If you like it,
we'll do it again next year. And now they're like,
oh boy, oh boy, um, what do you do if
do you I mean, do you consider you copy were set?
Like what do you do if you're there? Well, it
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doesn't have some parallels. Again, the worst case scenario is
that year with Manning and the Ironies. They still won
the Super Bowl. But I mean, his arm was a shot.
Rivers isn't that bad. But in terms of NFL quarterback
play relative to the rest of the league, I think
it's pretty bad. I mean, he can barely make a
lot of these throws and they clearly have a really
good defense. They actually have a lot of pieces on offense,
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and their offensive line is really good. Now they know,
I don't know, like I always thought Jacoby was a
little bit overrated. You know, it's really good backup if
you're just gonna start them, Like if you just started
Jacoby from here on out, I would say the Colts
do not make the playoffs. But if you just look
at it in the vacuum, like is he a better
option than Rivers? I'd probably give it a couple more games,
But that you'd be naive to think that, Like the
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front office hasn't had that conversation. Now, this is where
it gets tough in the NFL. It's sometimes the division
is you get loyalty with a coach. They're actually with
the guy every day. Frank's the play caller, that's his guy,
the reason Rivers in Indianapolis. So it is gonna be
a little, uh, probably more emotional than some because remember
the Kubyak thing. Again, Manning was way worse than Rivers were.
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Kind of easy Kubiak Manning. They didn't come in together.
It wasn't this guy. You know, it was just like
bro go to the bench, and uh, I don't know
if that's going to be as easy for Frank, who
probably if I had a guess, probably go down the
ship with with Rivers. Matt Ryan. Where's he play next year? Well,
if you look at his contract, they gotta eat so
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much dead money. Remember they just gave him huge cash.
I listen, I think a little bit like Rivers, I
just see kind of a shot fighter. You know, he's not.
He's a below average athlete for NFL standards in a
league that's becoming much more athletic at that position. You know,
you and I over the years have talked about like
Rivers in this charger situation, everything Anthony Lynn wanted and
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really the organization wanted. Now they got it right. You
don't need not Everyone's not looking for Lamar Jackson. They're
really just looking for Herbert Allen, a guy that can
keep plays alive, to Shaun Watson, whoever, even Jimmy Garoppolo,
Dak Prescott's not bad athletes. And I think Matt that,
Matt Ryan is a bad athlete, bad arm guy. And
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in the day and age where there aren't most teams
don't have the Colt's offensive line. Most teams have average
a below average offensive lineman just because the college you know,
products has not been producing that guy yet they have
been producing a ton of defensive lineman. So the shift
of power is definitely on the defensive line side, not
the offensive side. So you gotta have a quarterback that
can move. Guy can't move. And and now, like I
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watched them, I mean they I thought they got their
butt kicked against the Panthers. His arm just looks awful.
It doesn't and it's never been great, but now it
looks worse than it did three or four years ago,
for sure, no question, um. But but do they like
to me, what makes sense they're considering the money, you know,
unless they can get somebody taken on all that money,
which is doubtful. Is did hope to get Justin Fields
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Georgia Kidd and you do the Alex Smith in Kansas
City one last year thing? Yeah to me, Matt Ryan
and I think Philip Rivers if somehow they could have
got a quarterback. Those type guys are ideal. Who want
a Justin Herbert, you know type guy to be around, right,
Trevor Lawrence to be around, and Justin Fields to be around,
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Sam Darnald to be around. Uh so yeah, I just
you know the problem though, sometimes when you go to
an interim coach. I had a buddy text me last week.
He's like, you know the bed of the day was
the Houston Texas because you just look at the record
with interim coaches that first week, you get an inspired effort.
Uh you would think the Falcons are just gonna look
into a couple of wins and you know, the Jets
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are not gonna win. Probably the Giants are not gonna
win many games. Like there there might be three teams
that their win totals add up to like one or
two you know, between the Redskins, I guess the Washington
football team, Giants, the Jets. I still think that the
Falcons kind of luck into like three. You know, they
do have just some players on the team. Julio comes back,
They got enough offensive guys, and Rony Morris is like
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coaching to maybe get his name back in the circles. Right, Yeah, No,
I mean I agree. I think it's I think the
whole thing is super super interesting. John middlcof Our guest
in the Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Um do you do? We do? We think what's happened
to Tannehill is just about fit? Like that was my thing?
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Is I I watched him like, look, anybody looks good
behind a great running game, but he looks so much
more comfortable because of fit. Right, isn't that kind of
the story there is that there's varying levels. Most guys
are pretty talented in order to get in the league,
but the ones that succeed have you know, some guys
around him quality coaching, but most, more than anything, find
a fit for their style of playing the position. Yeah,
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I think it's kind of twofold. I think the fit,
you know, I mean speak for itself. We we've seen
it over years of that working out that way. I
think there's a human element and anyone listening can probably
attest to this. When you work for someone, and that's ultimately,
when you're even the quarterback, you are answering to the
head coach in the organization. You know, if you work
in radio, if you work as a sales job, when
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when your boss believes in you and you and you
do have some talent, it empowers you. And I think
Tanny Hill knows that these guys believe in them. I mean,
they literally threw the other guy out for this guy.
Then they've paid him, They've just I mean they just
are treating this guy like their franchise quarterback. And then
when you factor in he did have a moment in Miami.
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People forget the year that he remember he hurt his knee. Uh,
they ended up going to the playoffs. He had been
playing really good football. And I never was the biggest
fan because I thought he kind of lacked some quarterback instincts.
I thought he was more than it's like that former
wide receiver, just the athlete. But I think he's really developed.
Just you just watched him in the Buffalo game and
really just watched in the last two years of just
kind of playing within himself. He's like a more talented
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Alex Smith who definitely just has some moments because of
his physical gifts that he doesn't look like that, but
he doesn't, you know, try to be a hero. But
I think it starts with Rabel, who, you know, because
he's a defensive guy, probably a former player, doesn't get
talked about like all the star like young offensive coaches.
But if if Rabel had been a tight end and
not a linebacker and was the O C and not
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the d C, I think we would talk about Mike
cal Shannon Aer Sean McVeigh. But we don't speaking speaking
really quickly. I kind of feel like the Rams are
the best team nobody's talking about, yeah, because they probably
laid that dead two weeks ago against the Giants, so
people got off their stem. But I watched their game
against Washington. I mean they're just so potent on offense.
I mean, they got those receivers play so fast offs
that they can run the ball. Again Aaron Donald's nominating,
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I still think they're a little flawed on defense. I
mean Donald, Yeah, but they're just so good. I wonder
everyone's gonna pick them this week. Kyle's got kind of,
you know, embarrassed these last two weeks. You would think
that the Niners trying to try to really run it
down their throat and control the clock, because if they
get into a shootout with the Rams and just most teams,
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that's gonna favor the Rams because they're just they have
too many offensive weapons, too easy for them to score points.
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Let's start in Major League Baseball Raise in Astros Game
five American League Championship Series George Springer, the leadoff home
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run in the bottom of the first for Houston has
them up one nothing. Mike's Nino was at the play
for the raise. In the top half of the second inning,
bases loaded, two outs, got a note too fastball from
Luis Garcia, took it to the warning track and right,
but it was caught, so the raise unable to cash
in Houston up one nothing in the third inning or
excuse me, in the bottom half of the second inning,
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Ray still lead the series three games to one. Warning
track power Huh yes, w t P. I don't know
to pitch put one out there, and uh yeah, as
Nino almost tagged it for a for a Grand Slam.
Dodgers and Braves coming up on Fox tonight seven thirty
Eastern Time. Dave Roberts would not name a starter four
game five prior to tonight's Game four, which we'll have
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Clayton Kershaw starting. Um, Look, this is big for Kershaw,
I think, and you tell me, you guys, tell me
if I'm wrong. I feel like Kershaw's reputation is kind
of unfair in the playoffs, right, Like he's had he
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had to start against the Mets, Backs, against the Wall
and LCS a couple of years ago, he was incredible.
He struggled late in games or on short super short
rests or whatever. And you know, even the any against
the Astros that was what the seventh inning, I think
there's six or seventhing, like you know, I mean, Clayton
Kershaw is an pretty incredible picture. I guess I'm I'm
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I'm wondering if I'm this. This to me feels like
you can remember, Oh, Clayton Kershaw is still pretty awesome
World Series. While we play the game, there's there's Clayton
Kershaw himself. Here's Ron Rivera Doug talking about the status
of Dwayne Haskins and why he wasn't at practice again today.
Do you know he will be seeing the team doctor
a little later today or he may have already seen
(34:29):
him again. He checked in this morning, went through the
covid um. There was there was something that um, you know,
in seeing the doctors this morning that he went home
and he's going to see the doctor this afternoon. That's
all I can tell you. That's from Washington football coach
Ron Rivera. Yeah, he's been out four to five days
with cold. I'm a doctor, not an escalator. Remember on Monday,
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we did big deal, a little deal or no deal,
and I brought up the Bengals kicking a field goal
late against the rabiod not like this is don Martin
dale A Kale, the defensive coordinator of the Ravens, asked
about that today. Here's the exchange. Would you be able
to share your reaction and feelings when you see the
Bengals go out to kick a field goal with pretty
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seven seconds left in a twenty seven nothing game. You
know what it was? Alright, He knew what it was
because it was awful quiet when I yelled across the field.
There's there's some people that take that as a victory.
We'll see. We got plenty, we got plenty of talk
about next time we plan. He's down on the phone. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know, Like, what's he supposed to.
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He'd he'd rather get shut out. He'd rather get shut out. Yeah,
I'm so glad because Doug even on my Sunday show,
Red Zone Radio, George Riceter and I do five Eastern,
I brought this topic up then, and I just don't
think that it's gotten a lot of run from people.
But I mean, man, I at least it got the
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Ravens worked up. John Harbaugh did say that they had
a couple of fourth down stops that they could have
gotten on that drive, So maybe they have themselves to
blame for it. But uh, that was the Ravens defensive cordin.
Some people can sider that a win, Like, dude, we
just didn't want to get shut out, relaxed. Yeah, Uh,
it's down to two, Doug. The Levian Bell sweepstakes ESPN
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had three teams, Dolphins, Chiefs and Bills. Now the Athletics
says it's down to the Dolphins or Chiefs for Levan Bells.
What's going on with the Chiefs running back situation? Well,
they just don't run the ball. That's Clyde Edwards Hilaire
is they're running back, but they have they didn't really
run the ball again, ten Carrey's against the Raiders, so
they haven't attempted to run the ball like maybe they should.
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But I don't think I only has any more, only
he has anymore. That's that's my take. Do you know
when you sign guys in the NFL that they're they
gotta be quarantine for I think five or six days
before they ever get in a practice field, So it's
really really now. I don't know if it's different because
he's been uh in the protocol this long, but that's
one of the reasons that guys aren't signed off of
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the street. And then we'll get to play right away,
get out there and pressed. That was the press. Dodgers
winning Night Ramos Yes, Dodgers winn Tonight, Dan Buyer, Yes,
Dodgers winn Tonight. Rhyme music Absolutely, I think so too.
I think Kershaw pitches really well for six and then
he's out and then the bullpen finds way to kind
of cobble it together. Think we have a really good series.
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We'll keep an eye. Hopefully Houston gets eliminated to night
right at you hope I do. This is a dug
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Fox Sports Radio. Hope you're having a great day. We're
trying to have a good one with you. Interesting news
in the world of the association as um tylu is,
give me the head coach of the Clippers, John Mitalkoff
is gonna join us in twenty minutes. Get his thoughts
on Justin Herbert. Why so many were down on the
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Oregon quarterback who people are now up on as the
starting quarterback of the Chargers. Got it, got it, got
a good amount to get to here, um, And then
you know, look something Dave Roberts did that. I saw that.
I was kind of I've been kind of impressed by that.
Other people kind of poopooed a little bit, So I
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want to get to that upcoming. So some of the
Dave Roberts did actually in Game two that I will
credit him for and we'll we'll have open discussion Tyron
lose your new head coach of the Clippers, and you're like, wait,
wasn't he supposed to coach the Lakers last year? From
what I've been told, this was a battle of wills
(01:30):
between the owner, Steve Bohmer and uh the advisor in
Jerry West, and Jerry West said you gotta go Tyloo. Now,
Jerry West is arguably or maybe inarguably the greatest executive
in the history of the sport of basketball. Made the
Kobe trade. They'll build up several dynasties there with Kobe, Shack,
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Lakers um and and of course he was he was
part of the process us with the Warriors and their
draft picks. It's not given he wasn't the general managerment.
It's like getting full credit. And he's been part of
the process with putting together the Clippers team, although it's
not like he's the president of the general manager. He's
an advisor. On the other hand, times like this, you
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lean on a guy who knows who's Jerry West has
forgotten more about basketball and Steve Bamber's ever going to
know and let let me explain why this makes sense. Look,
there's a very short list of guys that can get
this job, very short list. It just is you can't
fire Doc Rivers and and replace him with David Fizdale.
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I love Dave fizzdalies from l a great guy, but
he's gotten fired from two jobs in the NBA anddn't
want anything can fizz Coaching at in the professional ranks
is less about X and o's and more about ken
You can you have an ego because you have to
have confidence because they will see through you. You cannot.
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I I think of star NBA players, have you guys,
do you guys remember watching Durrassic Park, the original Durrassic Park.
Do you remember the raptors and and what the what
the why? The ranger said about the raptors that they're smart,
they're cunning. They never attacked the fence in the same
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place twice. Remember that. That's but they're constantly testing the fence.
That's essentially NBA players. They're gonna constantly test that fence
to see if they get zapped by it, and it
may never be the same way and they will attack
less if they respect the guy more. Now, is it
hard to move over eighteen inches from assistant coach the
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head coach. Absolutely. Um, But I don't think this is
rearranging deck chairs in the Titanic. I think there's a
pretty clear and obvious Hey, those guys have to respect
the head coach and have to respect staff. And now
you're bringing in a Chauncey Billups, who, though he hasn't
coached before, one of the most respected former players in
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terms of how players feel about him. This is the
same thing as the Steve Nash hires head coach. You
gotta get somebody who's lived it, who's walked it, who's
been a part of it. It's one of the reasons
Jason Kidd has become a really good assistant coach with
the Lakers because was he a great head coach to
this point. No, But Jason Kidd has has been through
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the battles, been through the wars, and he can be
a liaison, a connector between head coach and players. So again,
I don't know if it fixes the problems of the Clippers,
but Bomber knows that this this team had a problem
in terms of um, not necessarily the competency of the coach,
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but were they listening to him, did they respect him?
And if you're gonna replace Dr Vers, who's one NBA
championship who's a former NBA player with somebody, it better
be another guy who's a former NBA champion and has
been a play are and they respect. You know, I
coached Lebron, I play with Kobe and Shack and and
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coach KG and those in KG is a nut. He
is not easy to coach and Paul pierced to all
those guys. I've been there before. It's why And I've
heard people you know, well, why can't you know what?
Why does a w NBA coach or why can't you
know r e M a coach? Men? Because it's hard
for you to walk into a room full of men
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and say, hey, we ran this for Diane Razzie and
now we're gonna run up for Kawhi Leonard. They can
respect the women's game. That doesn't mean they don't respect it.
But when you say that, they go like it a
different league. Buddy, you can get mad at me for
saying it. I'm telling you the reality of it, right
that the reason that former players work is they've been
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there before and they go like man I know, I
know your legs are fried, I know you're tired. You
just gotta give me five more minutes. And somebody who's
been there for the championships before, also their things reverberate more.
They just do. So. I think people thought there would
be some massive change. I didn't think so. I think
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Van Gundy would have been a massive change. Van Gundy
probably goes back to Houston now. But this to me is, hey,
we we feel like we're close, but the difference is
gonna be we we gotta hire somebody who has the
respect of the locker room. In order to get respect
to the locker room, you have to have won a championship.
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In order to win a championship, you have to have
respect to locker room. It's a catch twenty two and
I think Van Gundy would have been fine, But it
would have been hard having been out of the league
as a coach for ten years and whatever relationships ships
were already uh you know, started with Kawai let it.
I'm not sure how Kauai would have done with a
completely new staff next year. Now he has some familiarity.
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Johnson Bill has been around the team as their broadcast ster,
as now their lead assistant coach. It makes sense. It
makes sense doesn't mean they'll when it's important to point out,
I don't think that they collapsed because simply of Doc Rivers.
I think they all hailed the quarantine and the bubble
really poorly. They would just were not a good bubble team.
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Saw that happening before it actually happened. Yes, rhyme music.
What is sort of the middle ground that Tylu needs
to find between what Doc Rivers did? Because Doc Rivers
always had a really good reputation for, you know, being
able to manage all those personalities that you talked about
back in Boston, and then some of the reports about
why they sort of let him go in Los Angeles
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and why he may have lost the locker room was
because he perhaps you know, did too much to play
favorites with the likes of a Kawhi Letter and a
Paul George. So, if you're Tylu and you're stepping into
this situation, how do you balance the You clearly need
to try and keep the star happy, but then you
also need to try and not fall into the same
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foots that just got the other guy fired. Uh. My
first answer is I don't know, because I don't know
enough about the dynamics the guys I know on that staff,
I don't know if they'll return um, but I can,
I can find out a little bit more about it.
I was just when I talk to those guys, I
talked to other people, They're like they were just not
into the bubble. I would the first thing I would
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do is, whoever the biggest clubhouse lawyer is, if we
can replace him, he'd be gone. You know, if it's
Lou Williams, who you know, Lu has a contract which
most people would say is undervalue, only makes like eight
million dollars a year or something. But I I just
I thought, when you went out and got wings and
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you know, you end up getting yourself into quarantine, I
think that's a terrible look for everybody else who wants
to compete for a championship. Remember the Clippers voted to
not go into the bubble. So I think the first
thing is we have to understand it was a weird
and quirky year, and had he simply closed out in
games five or six, the Denver Nuggets, they probably beat
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the Lakers because they were bad. Matt tough matchup for
the Lakers. Don't think it's crazy that they beat him.
If nothing else, that's like a seven game war of
a series. And who knows what the Lakers have left
for the NBA Finals, but they didn't. So the first
thing is we have to remember the bubble plays a factor.
But I would I would find the most replaceable guy
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who was the biggest pain in the ass, and I
would get rid of them and just go like, you
don't have to say anything to everybody else, every Like,
I know he's gone, I know he's got people forget
that the Lakers did this, and um, the first the
three peet with Shack and Kobe. Do you guys remember
who the third scoring weapon was on that team? You
(09:51):
want to try their ramos? The first three pet but
the first the first championship of the Lakers three with Kobe?
See was it Glenn Glenn Robinson? Yes? Glenn? Right? Then Rice?
Do you remember why Glenn Rice was jettison away? Maybe
(10:11):
him and Phil didn't get along well a little bit
of that. Yeah, buy, are you want to hop in
on this? Do you remember? I know other things. I
remember other things about Glenn Rice, but not specifically with
the Lakers. Okay, so here's what happened. Here's what what
people forget. Phil Jackson took over a team that want
that in the lockout shortened year went thirty one and nineteen,
lost in the conference semis. Right, Del Harris got fired.
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Kurt Rambis was the coach at the end of the year, Right,
and so Phil Jackson comes in. And in addition to
adding Phil Jackson, they added Glenn Rice. And Glenn Rice
was unhappy with his playing time. He'd always been the
star of the go to guy wherever he had played previously,
but not on winning teams. Glenn Rice was thirty two
years old. He averaged sixteen a game, and during the
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NBA Finals, his then wife I think you wife maybe
fiancee um was quoted as saying, you know that Phil
won't play him, philled us like him. YadA, YadA, YadA YadA.
Now he was third on the team in minutes, third
on the team in um uh in, scoring its sixteen
a game. And do you know who was curiously absent
(11:19):
from the next season's roster, Right, It's like, look, we
can end And by the way, that was Jerry West
last year kind of running the team. They got rid
of him and they made an adjustment, and they brought
in Derek Fisher was the third leading score. The next
year they had Horace Grant and and those were you know,
Phil Jackson, guys Ron Harper. They didn't have as much talent,
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but they had a guy who was complaining behind the scenes,
like oh yeah, yeah, I hear you complaining. You get
your championship, bring and go away. This team didn't win
a championship. There was clearly complaining. I would find the
biggest winer, who's the most replaceable, get rid of him,
start new. The reason they lost, The reason the Dodgers
lost Game two is the same reason I have faith
in them to win the series. I'll tell you why next.
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Doug Otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. You guys watched and Ramoston,
I know you watched all of the Dodgers series, right
against um who they playing against the right. Do you
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remember what happened in Game two when they were down three?
Nothing vagueley at all? Pitching wires? Uh? Did they take
out Walker Bueller? Well? They did. Um, they brought in
Dustin May. I think, well, okay, so so here's here's
basically what happened. Uh they walker Bueler was game one
(12:53):
game too, Yeah, okay, they took a gonsoltiness who pitched
games to correct correct. So what happened was to start
the game they had Gonslin pitching and he wasn't pitching great.
They brought in Pedro bias Um and then they worked
through Bayas and they were they were trying to figure
out how high a leverage the situation it was. They
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used McGhee, they used Flora, Um, they kind of sprinkled
it around right like you're like, why they use Jake McGhee,
Why they use um Flora? Why did they use these guys?
Dylan Flora? Why would they why would they use that guy?
And Dave Roberts's answer after the game I thought was
(13:35):
really interesting to take a listen, this is after game two.
I know they played game three in game four's tonight,
here's after game two. There's a thing of obviously, you know,
in a deficit, you know who they've got available. But
I think that tonight, I think we did a good
job of getting other guys in there to get their
feet wet as far as in this series, um to
not stress them for them to be available in the
(13:57):
coming days. But you just can't play every game regardless
regardless of score, like its life for death in a
seven game series, and you're like, wait, wait, wait a second,
it was life for death or down two games and
even using caloric in the ninth inning or yeah, the
ninth inning when the score was tied at at seven apiece,
he gives up what was the game winning run? Right,
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which is weird with some of the decisions that he made.
And and what Dave Roberts said was like, look, we're
down three nothing and we gott at least get guys
to have their feet wet, because you don't know. This
is the difference in Dave Roberts and Joe Madden. Now,
Joe Madden won the World Series with the Cups, but
it nearly lost it. If you remember that year, I
(14:41):
had friends that were in the bullpen and he only
would pitch three guys out of the bullpen. How many
games did that series go? World Series? It went seven
games with Cleveland? Correct? Correct? Was Cleveland a good team?
They were very good? Yes, but we're they weren't better
than a right like Trevor Bauer was out because he
(15:03):
had the finger. They were missing their best, their best
I can't remember who their best starting pitcher was, but
he was out. Like they were terribly depleted, and yet
the Cubs kind of kept them in the game. They
kept him in the game because he earlier didn't trust
anybody else in the playoffs except for the three Vets
that have been there before, and so by the time
they got to Game seven, they were fried. Here you
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have Dave Roberts who's been there before, and it's a
little bit of a roll of the dice. But as
you pointed out here, the Braves have a bullpen game now.
They have Kershaw going tonight, and if his back holds
up and he can get him through this, their bullpen
has seen work. You can't have guys you sit there
on ice for a month and then throw them into
Game six or Game seven of the NLCS and go like, well,
(15:48):
your numbers say you're gonna be good tonight. No one
knows what they're gonna be. Like. You gotta get him
some run, you gotta get him out there, war him up,
let him throw from the mound figure it out. You know.
Now you have Clayton Kershaw going against UM basically a
bullpen clue CROWFM Atlanta. And if they can win tonight
and get it all squared, it to a piece. And
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they got Walker Bueller going in game four. Obviously his
blisters are is a problem. But considering they've gotten quality
used now out of their bullpen, and they've gotten everybody
in and everybody to kind of get a look and
everybody get a lather going. Now they get their two
best pictures going, like amazing, how quickly this thing can turn.
And I do think that Game two is a factor
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as to why that's a short term loss a long
term success even in a shortened series of seven games.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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John Milkcoff Joints is in The Doug Gotlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Saw you tweeting about Darryl morey Um,
(16:50):
I like that. Everybody says Billy Bean style doesn't work,
Like dude, They're in the playoffs, spending no money, with
no fans and no stadium. What am I missing? But
I I'm gonna disagree with you in terms of Marie.
I do think they spend money in Houston, but let's
not kid ourselves. It's not like it's a destination job.
And they've been more than competitive, and I think, look,
the big flood of Houston is their best players are
(17:13):
great talent, but he's not a winner and son, all
those things considered, I actually think they are more did
a hell of a job during his time there. Yeah,
I mean if his hard move, there's there's no way
around it was incredible. He was ahead of the current
on that one. Now, like you said, the last couple
of years of kind of exposed Harden. My issues are
more with his stubbornness with the three point shot, and
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clearly he's the one mandating that when they shot twenty
seven in a row. And like there's also he remember
last year they leave proprietary league information. He's got a
lot of buddies in the in the NBA media and listen,
he's a very very smart individual. And I commit, you know,
for what he said about China, the one guy in
the league that stood out to him. But I I
just think he said over and over, well in Vegas,
(17:57):
we're gonna win. We'd win this nine out of ten times,
or the Excel spreadsheet we said we would have won
this seventy five out of you know, a hundred times. Well, Darrell,
you lost and you consistently lost, and he always kind
of leaned on that as a crutch. To me. The
major difference, like, I can't compare Billy Bean and Daryl
Morey in the sense of Billy's owner gives them no money.
I mean, their payrolls at the bottom of the league.
(18:18):
Every year. He has multiple, you know, two hundred million
dollar players for the last handful of years, Chris James,
even d White, they maxed out obviously training for Russell
like he's operating at a completely different level than Billy.
And I agree, I'm I'm, I'm fully I have I
have an agenda here, I have a bias. I don't
I despise the Houston Rockets. I don't like it. I
(18:38):
don't like Houston Rockets either. I don't really like the
way James Harden plays. Uh. I would say though that that, um,
you know, the goal as a general manager generally is
to be as competitive as possible as long as possible,
And yeah, you'd like to win a championship. I just
I don't know if that's ever happening with James Harden
is your best player no matter what. Should you put
(18:58):
lipstick on a pig otherwise? And I'm not saying the
guy is not good at his job. I'm just saying overrated. Yes,
And he does and he does the I'm the smartest
person in the room thing, which is great, but it
doesn't necessarily always win your games, right like we're you know,
Jerry West is Jerry West does the odd G Schucks thing.
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Jerry West is a brilliant basketball guy, and he's been
more successful during his time as a league executive. Let's
get to the NFL, shall we um? Let's let's I
want to start with Justin Herbert. Did you see this coming? Uh? No?
I mean I didn't think he would look this good. Now.
I was beating the drum. I think he should start
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day one, but that was more for development, not because
I thought that he would run around and throw you know,
seventy yard bab's on a string. I knew he had
a big arm. I think if you look at Josh Allen,
who was similar to Justin Herbert in terms of big
time athlete, really high character guy, huge arm, and Justin
was way more acomplished coming out of college than than
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Josh Allen was. But I think they check a lot
of the same boxes, and he went to a team
that was much more ready to win, just in terms
of the offensive skill guys around him, and Justin, you know,
who was much more accurate than Josh Allen is translated.
Now there's a playmaking element that I definitely and I
think it's fair to say the Chargers probably not many
(20:23):
people around the NFL thought would be this good, this quick.
I think that one of the most underrated things. Uh.
And I think this rings true in basketball too, but
in the NFL when it comes to quarterbacks and when
it comes to basketball with your with your best player,
because you can't really quantify it, but people in the
sport and people that watch it and know it when
they see it is toughness. And I don't think there
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have been many star quarterbacks, you know, in my thirty
five years of life that I've watched that have not
had like borderline elite toughness, you know, just the willingness
to stand in, the willingness to get hit. And if
you look at justin Now. Part of it is like
he's really big, so I don't think he's that scared
of defensive lineman. But I have not seen him and
he's getting destroyed. I haven't seen him flint once. Now
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I've seen him. Probably takes some unneeded shots. But wouldn't
you agree that just it's not even reckless, but just
how the toughness that he displays. You know, I'm running
has been it's pretty ile and you never truly know
till you see it. And once you see it, you go, yeah,
well he's got it. And when you have that to me,
then you can just work on all the fundamental stuff
and you've got a chance to be a really good player. Well,
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I agree. You know what's interesting is it's one of
the things, you know, Kim, Remember what Cam got kind
of criticized for was he didn't go for a ball
that was at his feet in Super Bowl six point
game and whatever. But Cams has said timing like he
does not like guys at his feet. Right, He's another
big old dude, built like an absolute mack truck, but
he does not like guys at his feet, whereas and
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I know guys aren't at your feet and he did
get he got rolled up on a little bit in
the game. It was it was an excessive the roughness penalty.
But yeah, the kids are remarkable in you know, they're
they're out there down three offensive linemen. They're down there
three you know they're I mean, they traded for Trade Turner,
Keenan Keenan Allen disappeared after the first quarter in that
Monday night he got he got hurt. But I mean,
you don't have Pouncy your center, you don't have Blago
(22:12):
who's your veteran, and you don't have Trade Turner you
just traded for, and you can't run the football and
you're back there under dress. Yeah, I mean, um, I
think he could get the good defensive against a physical front. Yes,
you know, I mean it was hit the Saints. They
might not be able to cover, but they'll hit you,
all right. What do we think of Brady now that
we've seen him seemingly get confused over down looked, a
(22:35):
little rattle, look, a little upset his offensive line? What
do we What do we think of Brady now we're
past five games in Yeah, I just think there's a
lot going on in that organization, you know, just the
learning process, learning his new teammates, the coming on the
same page as his offensive coordinator, slash head coach, slash,
you know all the offensive staff where he's been pretty
He's had a consistent staff for the better part of
(22:56):
a decade now, and I felt pretty confident about this
come and end of the season. It was gonna take
some time. Now, no one could have guessed the you know,
him holding up the four fingers. But I think more
of that is just a lot going on. He's a
little thrown off the penalties. He's not used to a
lot of this stuff, like you just don't don't see
very often New England. Just the offensive lineman just gets
destroyed one on one. Why because when they have limitations
(23:19):
they give them help. They don't they don't have schematic
uh mistakes typically like that in New England and most organizations,
especially a guy like Bruce Harrians that wants to throw
it deep going seven step drops, Well, you're just gonna
put your offensive linemen sometimes in tough spots, especially when
you're playing top teams. I still think they're gonna look
a lot better in the second half of the season. Now.
(23:40):
I had a head coach tell me that he thought
Tampa was the best of all the teams that he's
seen so far in tape, the best front seven in
the NFL, and he thought that Vida Vale was their
best player. So he got bound. So you would think
Tampa is not gonna be quite as good on defense,
which means there's gonna be a little more pressure on
because there hasn't been that much pressure on Brady in
the offense. Their defense has been so good beside that
(24:01):
first week, and even Brady led to a couple you know,
obviously threw a pick six in that game and threw
another pick. So I just think that they're gonna need
more balance in terms of the offense scoring, especially as
they played good teams, you know, twenty to thirty points,
where you know it's been a little hit or miss.
I mean, the Bears are a good defense, but the
Brady's the offense just looked discombobulated. A lot of talk
(24:21):
in the NFL. You look at one of the top
defense in the league gets the Colts. It's interesting because
I they I think they thought I think they thought
they could get Rivers for two, not just one year.
They try it out this year. If you like it,
we'll do it again next year. And now they're like,
oh boy, oh boy, um, what do you do if
do you I mean, do you consider you copy were set?
Like what do you do if you're there? Well, it
(24:43):
doesn't have some parallels. Again, the worst case scenario is
that year with Manning and the Ironies. They still won
the Super Bowl. But I mean, his arm was a shot.
Rivers isn't that bad. But in terms of NFL quarterback
play relative to the rest of the league, I think
it's pretty bad. I mean, he can barely make a
lot of these throws and they clearly have a really
good defense. They actually have a lot of pieces on offense,
(25:04):
and their offensive line is really good. Now they know,
I don't know, like I always thought Jacoby was a
little bit overrated. You know, it's really good backup if
you're just gonna start them, Like if you just started
Jacoby from here on out, I would say the Colts
do not make the playoffs. But if you just look
at it in the vacuum, like is he a better
option than Rivers? I'd probably give it a couple more games,
But that you'd be naive to think that, Like the
(25:27):
front office hasn't had that conversation. Now, this is where
it gets tough in the NFL. It's sometimes the division
is you get loyalty with a coach. They're actually with
the guy every day. Frank's the play caller, that's his guy,
the reason Rivers in Indianapolis. So it is gonna be
a little, uh, probably more emotional than some because remember
the Kubyak thing. Again, Manning was way worse than Rivers were.
(25:50):
Kind of easy Kubiak Manning. They didn't come in together.
It wasn't this guy. You know, it was just like
bro go to the bench, and uh, I don't know
if that's going to be as easy for Frank, who
probably if I had a guess, probably go down the
ship with with Rivers. Matt Ryan. Where's he play next year? Well,
if you look at his contract, they gotta eat so
(26:12):
much dead money. Remember they just gave him huge cash.
I listen, I think a little bit like Rivers, I
just see kind of a shot fighter. You know, he's not.
He's a below average athlete for NFL standards in a
league that's becoming much more athletic at that position. You know,
you and I over the years have talked about like
Rivers in this charger situation, everything Anthony Lynn wanted and
(26:33):
really the organization wanted. Now they got it right. You
don't need not Everyone's not looking for Lamar Jackson. They're
really just looking for Herbert Allen, a guy that can
keep plays alive, to Shaun Watson, whoever, even Jimmy Garoppolo,
Dak Prescott's not bad athletes. And I think Matt that,
Matt Ryan is a bad athlete, bad arm guy. And
(26:53):
in the day and age where there aren't most teams
don't have the Colt's offensive line. Most teams have average
a below average offensive lineman just because the college you know,
products has not been producing that guy yet they have
been producing a ton of defensive lineman. So the shift
of power is definitely on the defensive line side, not
the offensive side. So you gotta have a quarterback that
can move. Guy can't move. And and now, like I
(27:15):
watched them, I mean they I thought they got their
butt kicked against the Panthers. His arm just looks awful.
It doesn't and it's never been great, but now it
looks worse than it did three or four years ago,
for sure, no question, um. But but do they like
to me, what makes sense they're considering the money, you know,
unless they can get somebody taken on all that money,
which is doubtful. Is did hope to get Justin Fields
(27:39):
Georgia Kidd and you do the Alex Smith in Kansas
City one last year thing? Yeah to me, Matt Ryan
and I think Philip Rivers if somehow they could have
got a quarterback. Those type guys are ideal. Who want
a Justin Herbert, you know type guy to be around, right,
Trevor Lawrence to be around, and Justin Fields to be around,
(28:00):
Sam Darnald to be around. Uh so yeah, I just
you know the problem though, sometimes when you go to
an interim coach. I had a buddy text me last week.
He's like, you know the bed of the day was
the Houston Texas because you just look at the record
with interim coaches that first week, you get an inspired effort.
Uh you would think the Falcons are just gonna look
into a couple of wins and you know, the Jets
(28:22):
are not gonna win. Probably the Giants are not gonna
win many games. Like there there might be three teams
that their win totals add up to like one or
two you know, between the Redskins, I guess the Washington
football team, Giants, the Jets. I still think that the
Falcons kind of luck into like three. You know, they
do have just some players on the team. Julio comes back,
They got enough offensive guys, and Rony Morris is like
(28:45):
coaching to maybe get his name back in the circles. Right, Yeah, No,
I mean I agree. I think it's I think the
whole thing is super super interesting. John middlcof Our guest
in the Doug Otlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Um do you do? We do? We think what's happened
to Tannehill is just about fit? Like that was my thing?
(29:06):
Is I I watched him like, look, anybody looks good
behind a great running game, but he looks so much
more comfortable because of fit. Right, isn't that kind of
the story there is that there's varying levels. Most guys
are pretty talented in order to get in the league,
but the ones that succeed have you know, some guys
around him quality coaching, but most, more than anything, find
a fit for their style of playing the position. Yeah,
(29:29):
I think it's kind of twofold. I think the fit,
you know, I mean speak for itself. We we've seen
it over years of that working out that way. I
think there's a human element and anyone listening can probably
attest to this. When you work for someone, and that's ultimately,
when you're even the quarterback, you are answering to the
head coach in the organization. You know, if you work
in radio, if you work as a sales job, when
(29:51):
when your boss believes in you and you and you
do have some talent, it empowers you. And I think
Tanny Hill knows that these guys believe in them. I mean,
they literally threw the other guy out for this guy.
Then they've paid him, They've just I mean they just
are treating this guy like their franchise quarterback. And then
when you factor in he did have a moment in Miami.
(30:12):
People forget the year that he remember he hurt his knee. Uh,
they ended up going to the playoffs. He had been
playing really good football. And I never was the biggest
fan because I thought he kind of lacked some quarterback instincts.
I thought he was more than it's like that former
wide receiver, just the athlete. But I think he's really developed.
Just you just watched him in the Buffalo game and
really just watched in the last two years of just
kind of playing within himself. He's like a more talented
(30:34):
Alex Smith who definitely just has some moments because of
his physical gifts that he doesn't look like that, but
he doesn't, you know, try to be a hero. But
I think it starts with Rabel, who, you know, because
he's a defensive guy, probably a former player, doesn't get
talked about like all the star like young offensive coaches.
But if if Rabel had been a tight end and
not a linebacker and was the O C and not
(30:56):
the d C, I think we would talk about Mike
cal Shannon Aer Sean McVeigh. But we don't speaking speaking
really quickly. I kind of feel like the Rams are
the best team nobody's talking about, yeah, because they probably
laid that dead two weeks ago against the Giants, so
people got off their stem. But I watched their game
against Washington. I mean they're just so potent on offense.
I mean, they got those receivers play so fast offs
that they can run the ball. Again Aaron Donald's nominating,
(31:19):
I still think they're a little flawed on defense. I
mean Donald, Yeah, but they're just so good. I wonder
everyone's gonna pick them this week. Kyle's got kind of,
you know, embarrassed these last two weeks. You would think
that the Niners trying to try to really run it
down their throat and control the clock, because if they
get into a shootout with the Rams and just most teams,
(31:41):
that's gonna favor the Rams because they're just they have
too many offensive weapons, too easy for them to score points.
Right now, all right, you got another phone called Answer.
We got a break to get to. It's my brother. Well,
I'll talk to you letter. That's Middlekoff. John Midalkoff joined
US three and out is his podcast. By the way,
we have a new all Ball podcast up with I
Think You're really really gonna like it. Paul west Head,
(32:03):
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rookie to an NBA title, joined US Plus. He coach
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Herd podcast Network. One NFL head coach tells you why
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Let's start in Major League Baseball Raise in Astros Game
five American League Championship Series George Springer, the leadoff home
(32:46):
run in the bottom of the first for Houston has
them up one nothing. Mike's Nino was at the play
for the raise. In the top half of the second inning,
bases loaded, two outs, got a note too fastball from
Luis Garcia, took it to the warning track and right,
but it was caught, so the raise unable to cash
in Houston up one nothing in the third inning or
excuse me, in the bottom half of the second inning,
(33:06):
Ray still lead the series three games to one. Warning
track power Huh yes, w t P. I don't know
to pitch put one out there, and uh yeah, as
Nino almost tagged it for a for a Grand Slam.
Dodgers and Braves coming up on Fox tonight seven thirty
Eastern Time. Dave Roberts would not name a starter four
game five prior to tonight's Game four, which we'll have
(33:27):
Clayton Kershaw starting. Um, Look, this is big for Kershaw,
I think, and you tell me, you guys, tell me
if I'm wrong. I feel like Kershaw's reputation is kind
of unfair in the playoffs, right, Like he's had he
(33:48):
had to start against the Mets, Backs, against the Wall
and LCS a couple of years ago, he was incredible.
He struggled late in games or on short super short
rests or whatever. And you know, even the any against
the Astros that was what the seventh inning, I think
there's six or seventhing, like you know, I mean, Clayton
Kershaw is an pretty incredible picture. I guess I'm I'm
(34:09):
I'm wondering if I'm this. This to me feels like
you can remember, Oh, Clayton Kershaw is still pretty awesome
World Series. While we play the game, there's there's Clayton
Kershaw himself. Here's Ron Rivera Doug talking about the status
of Dwayne Haskins and why he wasn't at practice again today.
Do you know he will be seeing the team doctor
a little later today or he may have already seen
(34:29):
him again. He checked in this morning, went through the
covid um. There was there was something that um, you know,
in seeing the doctors this morning that he went home
and he's going to see the doctor this afternoon. That's
all I can tell you. That's from Washington football coach
Ron Rivera. Yeah, he's been out four to five days
with cold. I'm a doctor, not an escalator. Remember on Monday,
(34:53):
we did big deal, a little deal or no deal,
and I brought up the Bengals kicking a field goal
late against the rabiod not like this is don Martin
dale A Kale, the defensive coordinator of the Ravens, asked
about that today. Here's the exchange. Would you be able
to share your reaction and feelings when you see the
Bengals go out to kick a field goal with pretty
(35:13):
seven seconds left in a twenty seven nothing game. You
know what it was? Alright, He knew what it was
because it was awful quiet when I yelled across the field.
There's there's some people that take that as a victory.
We'll see. We got plenty, we got plenty of talk
about next time we plan. He's down on the phone. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know, Like, what's he supposed to.
(35:36):
He'd he'd rather get shut out. He'd rather get shut out. Yeah,
I'm so glad because Doug even on my Sunday show,
Red Zone Radio, George Riceter and I do five Eastern,
I brought this topic up then, and I just don't
think that it's gotten a lot of run from people.
But I mean, man, I at least it got the
(35:57):
Ravens worked up. John Harbaugh did say that they had
a couple of fourth down stops that they could have
gotten on that drive, So maybe they have themselves to
blame for it. But uh, that was the Ravens defensive cordin.
Some people can sider that a win, Like, dude, we
just didn't want to get shut out, relaxed. Yeah, Uh,
it's down to two, Doug. The Levian Bell sweepstakes ESPN
(36:20):
had three teams, Dolphins, Chiefs and Bills. Now the Athletics
says it's down to the Dolphins or Chiefs for Levan Bells.
What's going on with the Chiefs running back situation? Well,
they just don't run the ball. That's Clyde Edwards Hilaire
is they're running back, but they have they didn't really
run the ball again, ten Carrey's against the Raiders, so
they haven't attempted to run the ball like maybe they should.
(36:43):
But I don't think I only has any more, only
he has anymore. That's that's my take. Do you know
when you sign guys in the NFL that they're they
gotta be quarantine for I think five or six days
before they ever get in a practice field, So it's
really really now. I don't know if it's different because
he's been uh in the protocol this long, but that's
one of the reasons that guys aren't signed off of
(37:04):
the street. And then we'll get to play right away,
get out there and pressed. That was the press. Dodgers
winning Night Ramos Yes, Dodgers winn Tonight, Dan Buyer, Yes,
Dodgers winn Tonight. Rhyme music Absolutely, I think so too.
I think Kershaw pitches really well for six and then
he's out and then the bullpen finds way to kind
of cobble it together. Think we have a really good series.
(37:25):
We'll keep an eye. Hopefully Houston gets eliminated to night
right at you hope I do. This is a dug
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