November 5, 2020 • 37 mins
Oklahoma St football head coach Mike Gundy joins the show to talk about their narrow loss to Texas.
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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What Up, Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio? What's your favorite video game of all time? Um?
Unlike anybody else who hosts a show of this magnitude,
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I was a bit of a gamer growing up and
have remained a gamer. That's the great thing about having
a little boy. It's like, Dad, Dad, can I download
the new two K? You can pay for it? Yeah,
I'll pay for it out of my Christmas money. Yeah,
let's go get you up. Can I play against you?
So now he buys it and I get to play.
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It's amazing, amazing. Um. If I was going basketball games,
you know I loved Art Rivals. Do you guys remember?
Our Rivals was an arcade game where two on two
you punch each other. It did make video game, but
it was never as good in the video game. There's
obviously UM NBA Jams Peace on the Fire. There was
what preceded that one was UM was a double Dribble.
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It's a Konami game on Nintendo. So look there's there's
between the double dribble. The first e a Sports NBA
game was a Sports Lakers versus Celtics in the NBA Playoffs.
Then it was Lakers versus Bulls in the NBA Player
I used to dominate those. Of course, Madden can't really
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go wrong there, right football games, and I was I
was peak got Lie, but Madden when I would back
when the Raiders were good, this is like two thousand
one that Madden and I would run cross I'd run
crossing routes. I'd call play with crossing routes and I'd
send either Jerry Rice or Tim Brown in motion and
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then I can figure out by motion if they're in manner,
if they're in zone. It's really really is one of
the things that one of the things that motion helps
you do. Right I was. I saw this article from
a man named Robert Mays. This was really good. It
was in the Athletic and Take a list in this.
For the most part of his career, Aaron Rodgers and
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the Packers have seldom used pre snap motion. During Mike
McCarthy's final season with the franchise in two thousand eighteen,
green Bay used motion on just thirty point two percent
of the snaps, third lowest rate in the NFL. This season,
the numbers jumped to fifty one percent, the sixth highest
rate in the league. That shift has required a considered
amount of adjustment for one of the best qbs in
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NFL history. The Steelers and thirty eight year old quarterback
Ben Roethlisberger ranked fourth in the use of motion pre
snap twenty one percent of place, according ESPN, a notable
departure from their approach and UH in years past. So
what's happening with defenses and why is the motion so important? UM?
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I think it's fascinating because what the motion does now
NFL defenses are so complex that they can, uh, they
can look like one thing and then shortly before pre
snap they can switch to something else. What motion does
is it's gonna expose what you're in before you want
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to expose what you're in. Does that that make any sense? There?
M so like the the idea of a defense, nobody
just comes out and says like, hey, here's what we're playing,
and we do this in basketball as well. Like in basketball, uh,
a very European style which I do think will make
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its way. It has made its way on some levels
to the NBA. Is this um. When a team comes
up the court and you get into a set, they'll
go to a zone, or they'll wait to the first pass.
They'll be a man and man and they'll go to
a zone. The way to figure out what they're in
is to run a guy through pass and cut through
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and then if if somebody follows you through there in man,
if they don't follow you through, their in zone gets
the same exact idea. It's one of the reasons you
see within the A teams what's called false motion. Have
you ever seen this Ryan where when when NBA teams
are playing, like why are they just passing the ball
up top and handing and doing handoffs to each other?
That doesn't seem to be accomplishing anything. What it does
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is one, it sometimes gets the mismatches you want. Uh. Two,
it shows you if it teams in man, the teams
in zone, the team switching if they're staying home, what
their defensive coverages are so that way when you then
instead of just like you know, the college coach or
the old mentality is just all right, let's clear out
aside ball screen with the big guy to your best
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ball handler and keep everybody else spaced away. You're still
kind of doing that, but you're creating different angles, you're
creating different matchups. You know. Yeah, by the way, you're
trying to find out what defense the other team is in,
and that way you know how to attack it. The
same thing is true in football. The sports are they're
not identical, but there's a lot of similarities. And in football,
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the use of motion is just it's simply a way
to one get people moving and to make it ever
more clear what a team truly wants to be in,
not what they look like they're in, but what they're
ultimately going to be in. Because what you have to
do when you're gonna bluff on a zone, blitz from
the right hand side and drop back into base, or
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if you're gonna be in man and man looking like
you're in a zone, is you have to you have
to at least be in the area of somebody. You
can't simply run and sprint over to the area and
and it also tells us about Rogers and Roethlisberger why
sometimes they look a little bit uncomfortable And what do
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you do when you're uncomfortable? Right, what do you do? Well,
there's a lot of people who crack jokes when they're uncomfortable.
Ever do that? You know? That's that's my son. He's
got a little trouble in school and it was for
you know, he's trying to be like the class clown.
I'm like, dude, why would you do that? He's like,
I'm just not comfortable and I'm nervous, And that's what
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I do when I'm nervous. I get it. I understand
that's kind of my that's my default as well. But
you can't do it and be destructive at the same time, right, Like,
you just can't. Sorry, budd um. You know, when you're
Aaron Rodgers, sometimes you see him and he doesn't like
to look. He may be not as comfortable because he's
done it one way, but again, looking at how much
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better it looks this year than it did last year.
As they continue to kind of ad and give him
more confidence in it. And what happens is you go
from hating it to embracing it. This is not any
different than what Michael Jordan went through. They didn't run
the triangle. And he didn't like the triangle when he
when he first got there, when it first got there,
when text Winner first installed the triangle, which is also
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known as the triple post, he didn't like it. It
felt constrictive. It used to be get the ball to
Michael and get the hell out of the way and
they'll figure it out. And now it's wait, there's you
pass here, you cut here, if you go here, you're here.
They're set spacing based upon where the past goes. It
seems so formulaic, and yet ultimately he understood that it
just provided perfect spacing so that if anybody double teamed,
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he knew where the ball could go. And it put
everybody in a place where they can make a play.
That's what Aaron Rodgers is going through. And that's frankly
what what what Ben Roethlisberger is going through. That's how
you extend your career is instead of making the offense
work for your skills, making your skills work for your offense,
let the offense work for you. Pretty smart stuff. Uh,
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coming up next, he's the head coach of my alma mater,
Oklahoma State, felt like they still feel like they got
a great shot to win the Big Twelve Championship. What
went wrong Saturday with four turnovers against Texas? And can
he take any solace in having probably the better team
on the field with Texas? I'll ask him, he joins me. Next,
be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio
WAP Hollywood Brown you know he has played Oklahoma and
uh superspeedy talented wide receiver from Hollywood, Florida. That's how
I got the nickname. He had a tweet. That was
why the tweet exactly say. It was like, Uh, don't
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have some dogs unless you're gonna feed him or something
like that. What's the point of having soldiers when you
never use them? Never? Right? And and I told you
this was gonna be a problem that no matter how
much you like Lamar Jackson, guys legitimately like Lamar Jackson,
I need my touches, I need my I need my
catches one because you know, if you're a wide receiver,
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you think you can make plays and save the team.
But the other part is you need catches and numbers
in order to make money. Lamar Jackson said this about
Hollywood Brown's tweet, that's one of our key players in
our offense. I want to get in the ball the
easiest and fastest way we can. I have to do
a better job of getting it to him. Look, I've
been critical of Lamar and his lack of accuracy outside
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the numbers and the fact that he's gotten back to
dropping his eyes when he's under duress. But let me
give Lamar Jackson credit for a guy who one of
the concerns of him, if you ever like Lamar is
a quiet dude. He is not a boisterous dude in
any way. And when one of the reasons that they
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team struggled to get an eval of him as a
leader and a player was if you remember, his mom
was his agent and she would shield him. And what
I was told was when he came into the whiteboard
front teams at the draft combine, it wasn't great. But
part of it is like he's just not a super
loquacious guy. He just uh, he likes he loves football.
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He loves to compete, but he's not one of those
kind of grabbed the microphone and give dissertation sort of dudes.
I'll tell you what he has done though, all right,
he had never said the wrong thing, and at a
podium he hadn't gotten defensive, you know he had and
now look, Baker had has had O b J's back.
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But there's other times when Baker has gotten defensive. There
haven't been any defensive remarks. But I'm sure Lamar Jackson
doesn't like the people like dude, he can't win come
from behind. I'm sure he's probably thinking of himself like,
of course I can. There's some other things that go
with it. But he has yet to make and throw
an interception or fumble at the medium, and that that
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I don't think any of us saw coming. It wasn't
that we thought he would he would always say the
wrong thing, but he has never said the wrong thing,
literally never, And that is hard, especially when people for
the first time in your professional career are being critical
of you and your friends are like, yo, get me
the ball, dude. It's really easy for just thirty seconds
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to go like, hey man, maybe if you run the
right route, the right depths or hey man, I can
only do the plays that are called, or hey man,
be fine. If I wasn't under all this pressure, Ronnie
Stanley got got hurt. Now all a sudden, I'm under
pressure and I don't have time to get you the ball.
He didn't say any of that. He just said, that's
one of our best players. I gotta do a better
job getting the ball. Period. Be sure to catch the
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live edition of the Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific. There's a lot I
would like to get to with my gun day. He's
the head coach of both of our a mater of
Oklahoma State, and they're coming off a loss at home
to Texas in overtime. Their four and one on the season.
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Remember they had a Tulsa game postponed. Uh, they had
the Baylor game postponed. But they beat West Virginia, they
beat Tulsa, they beat Kansas, they beat Iowa State, and
they lost four in overtime to Texas. And coach, thanks
so much for taking time with us. I know you're
disappointed about the weekend, not in the team, but you
know the turnovers and the other stuff that. How do
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you reconcile that you have a very good defense. Um,
a good team, yet turnovers really cost you. Was gave
away the game against Texas? Yeah, you know we it was.
It was crazy. We had we had four plus a
rough in the punter which is really five, and then
gave up a kickoff return. So, um, we we should
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have been blown out basically by having that many mistakes,
and and we look at them on tape. It's like
anything else. You know, you you've been in enough sports
in your life. You look at them, you see what
the issues are. You come up with a plan to
correct him. You put that plan in place, and you
work it from that point moving forward. So the first
one we had, Spencer wasn't strong enough with the ball, okay,
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and in him not being strong enough with the ball,
that's something that can be corrected and that's something that
shouldn't happen. Um. The one before half, the guy strips
him from behind. Um, you know sometimes that happens. The
one ld had, he spends off of the defender, he
turns around, the guy puts his helmet dead square on
the ball. Um, that's a football. The one interception that
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Spencer through he threw the outcut behind the receiver and
at that particular time, the Texas defender was in perfect
position he caught it um. So some of it was
a little bit of a perfect storm. But then you
also have to give Texas credit. You know, on the
kick return, we had two guys that were right there
to tackle him, that were unblocked, and he made a
miss and he went and scored a touchdown. So you
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can't just say it's all us, you know, from the
standpoint of you know, you've got to give them some
credit to But but certainly wish that we would have
if we just cut him in half, if we just
had the those mistakes cut in half, would have been
a good shape. Well, we've got good practice this week.
We moved forward and keep on rolling. Uh. You mentioned
the roughing the punter. It was on a fourth and
twenty two. Is it? Is it guys just trying to
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make a place as something you guys saw on tape.
You're trying to take advantage of because because you know,
when you're watch it on TV, you're like, well, just
sit back and be conserved. Are they gonna you're giving
you the football? Take me through what what actually takes place? Yeah,
you know it's it's uh. I'm glad you brought that up.
It's interesting that you know people The first thing people
will say outside is his fourth and twenty two. Um,
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you're actually better going after a block on a fourth
and and more than um six yards, because if you
get a running into the kits a punter, it's a
five yard penalty. They still have to punch. A lot
of people think, well, if it's it's different. If it's
fourth and short, you got to be careful about going
after a punt on fourth and in less than five
one you could jump off sides two you're gonna get
the five yard penalty given the first town. So their
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punter could have very well been um um the m
v P of that game. Um. He punted the ball.
I think his average was forty nine yards, and he
downed us inside the fifteen yard, buying several times. When
you down a team inside the fifteen yard on the
percentages of going eighty five yards, go go way down
to score points much less. If you know if you're
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you're playing with UM, you know we're playing with three
new linemen in the second half based on UM. We
lost our left tackle on the interception on the play
last play the first half. So Um, he had down
to so many times inside the fifteen he said, we
at least they try to put some pressure on and
disrupt him a little bit, because if he continues to
down us inside the fifteen and ten yard line, it's
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really difficult to score. So that's why that decision was made. Um,
the young man that actually got the penalty was falling.
He tripped and was falling and he fell on his
shoulder pad hit the foot of the of the punter
and Um, you know by rule you can get that
penalty called against you. So that's how that took place.
My gun, you head coach Chacolman stage joining us on
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the Doug Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. You have
some incredible talent on offense that gets a lot of
the attention, But the defense I think has surprised many
who haven't paid attention to what you've been building. And
you've also done it kind of uniquely with Oklahoma kids,
right like the everyone thinks that. I mean, one of
the reasons last weekend's game is so big as Texas
and recruiting in the state of Texas, and it's not
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that you don't recruit Texas. But your defense is not
only special and Jim Nole's been able to have a
complex scheme, but of a lot of Oklahoma kids, UM
was was that meant to be or that just happened
that way? UM. A few years ago, UM, we we
started doing some research on players on our team and
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the success that we're having from those players, and we
realized that the percentage because we don't take as many
Oklahoma players, because there's only there's only gonna be like
five or six players in the state of Oklahoma that
are gonna get offers from major universities, and UM, you know,
we find our ass off It's tough Oklahoma's going to
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get some of those guys. So the point being is,
we started doing research on other players that we were
taking that were closer in proximity to UM to our campus,
and the production per capita that we were getting from
them was really, really, really high. And so unfortunately in Oklahoma,
our hands are tied a little bit with with education
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and funding. Facilities across the boarder are pretty average. UM
pay scale for coaches, teachers, so on, and so forth.
This pretty average. So the the training that these guys
are getting or not getting is what I'm going to
compared to other states where they're getting full time strength coaches,
athletic periods, things like that. So we found that there's
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more there with the Oklahoma kids. We started taking more
players than we did in my first UM ten years
here that we thought that could help us, and those
guys have come in and played really good. Jim Knowles
is in year three. Jim is highly intelligent, and you've
been around enough coaches to know sometimes if you're really
really smart, you can outcoach yourself. Um and and he's
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so smart that, uh, sometimes he gets ahead of himself
a little. But he's he's very down to earth, and
he he looks at things and has made adjustments and
he's he's stayed with the system he believes in, but
he's made adjustments that we think that gives us the
best chance in this league based on the personnel we have,
and he's really made changes and the players have kind
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of bought into it. So and we also allotted three
more scholarships four years ago to the defensive side of
the ball. We took him away from offense, put him
on the defensive side of the ball to try to
find a way to increase our ability to perform better
on the defensive. Sietey, you mentioned that your stats show
you that per capita, you're getting more production of Oklahoma kids.
Kids are a closer in proximity. Um, what's what's your hypotheses?
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Why do you think that is? You know, I think
that most people are just more comfortable if they're near
um where they grew up or where they're from. It's
not I I gotta I gotta thought. I got a thought.
I mean going. One of the things about going, and
obviously both you and I haven't played there, like it's
a special place, but it's also kind of there's a
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little underdog mentality and you kind of feel like, you know, like, look,
if you're getting if you're getting them from Oklahoma, that
probably means that either Texas didn't offer or wasn't as
strong in terms of how they came in in their offer,
And so there's a little kind of chip on your
shoulder us against the world. You really are playing for
your school, whereas sometimes you get to schools where you're
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you know, you're recruiting the five stars, and the five
stars that's just in their mind, that's just a way
station for them to get to the pros. Is there
is there a possibility that's a kind of about the
grit that you unintentionally maybe recruit because guys are a
little bit passed over and it's kind of the mentality
of Oklahoma State. Well, well, the first thing is we
don't have anybody on the roster that Texas offered. Okay,
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so what you're saying is accurate. There is some truth there.
It's an Oklahoma stay, it's a different place. We have
to find the right sit here. UM meets a community people,
the young men that come to school here, they want
to get an education, who want to be a part
of the team. They're serious about um what they're wanting
to accomplish. Uh. And so those are the type of
players that we have to go after in my opinion anyway, No, no, no, listen, Yeah,
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how somebody else might come in here and I feel like, hey,
we do it differently. We go recruit all over the country.
That's just not what we've done here, and we've we've
got a little bit better at it. And the guys
here they do feel that way. They they that's exactly
the way they feel, and that's the way I want
them to feel Yeah. No, I mean, like listen, I
just I mean, obviously I came from California, but I
remember like Kansas didn't offer me. You know, they and
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and kids had always had. They were offered Paul Pierce
who was a big guy, and they always had like
a Donnas Jordan's from out of here. They had California
kids all the time, especially point guards. And I was
like every time we played Kansas, I was piste off
a right. I just had, you know, and I had
friends on the team. So there, there is there there's
a lot to that. Um. I want to ask you
about a couple of your stars. Gonna start with Tylan
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Wallace because with Cuba, and of course with Spencer you
got quarterback gets a ton of attention to Cuba because
he led the country in rushing last year. Tylan Wallas
got hurt last year and just an elite wide receiver.
I gotta think it feels like he's better after the
knee injury. Like, h what is that? Is that? Is
that just me watching on TV? Or is there any
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accuracy to that? He's really good and what he's done,
Doug is he's he's gotten over the mental block of
I could potentially get hurt because you know, in sports,
particularly football, you can't play the game unless you're playing
recklessly in full speed. You cannot play the game concerned
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about being injured. And in Uh in the in the
latter part of the spring, in the latter part of
the spring, and Um in in early camp, he was
he was a little tentative in that way, which is normal.
I've never had a major injury and come back from it.
But he got over that and he's playing now. He's
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back to having fun, and that's the way you have
to play the game. And he's gonna be a really
good pro player because he not only has the skill,
but he's a good young man. He's a great person.
He's unselfish. Um he's got a great work ethic, and
he's really humble and quiet. Chub obviously had a great year.
Um didn't get the feedback he wanted, wanted to come
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back and compete for Oklahoma State. It felt like earlier
year that he was kind of the same thing you're
talking about Thailand. I don't know if he wasn't if
he wasn't comfortable, if he was being used felt like differently,
or whatever. I know, obviously the quarterback changes because Spencer
got hurt, that that changes a lot of how you
have to play and his importance. But it felt like
a couple of games ago the light switch went on.
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What have your conversation has been like with your star
running back? I think what you're saying is real accurate.
There were some concerns. See, these these players live in
a different world because of um, they carry a computer
in their hand all the time. They're they're seven on
social media, which is not productive and good for him. Um,
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They're getting feedback from from agents, representatives, family people telling
them about a lot of different things. They don't know
what to grasp onto. They get confused, and you then
have people that are talking to them that are talking
about millions of dollars, Well, that doesn't make any sense
to them based on the value and what you actually
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have to do to get that accomplished, and they get
confused at times. Now I'm not sure that that happened
with Cuba, but I do think that he got distracted
by all the different people talking to him, and then
I know after the first couple of games of the
year that he he has told people in an organization
you know what, I'm just going back to what I do.
I'm just gonna go back and playing football. I'm not
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worried about any s other stuff. I think he cut
off a lot of things. I think he got off
a lot of social media and things. I'm not honest,
so I don't know, but I think he just came
to the conclusion, Look, I need to play football. This
is my ticket forget everything else. And I think that
since then, Doug, he's got a little bit of peace
of mind. You know that that's what we all have
to have in life, right, we have to have a
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piece of mind that everything's gonna be okay. Just let
me do what I enjoy doing. I think that's the
direction he went. Um, how do you having played the
position and played it well, coached it for so long
and had so many different guys, Spencer centers unique talent, right,
he can do his legs into his arm. I mean,
he's a pretty tough kid as well. He's obviously suffered
through a couple of injuries. But how do you balance
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out the risk reward because he makes some plays that
no one else in your roster can make. On the
other hand, at some point, even though it's his second year.
The turnovers. I mean, as anybody who studies football knows,
the more you turn the football over, the less like
you are to win. How do you reconcile that he's
in game either nine or ten of his career. He's
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been around here forever, he red shirted, he was here
last year, got hurt, he's here this year, got hurt back.
He's in game ten. The comparison is sam Elingers in
game thirty nine. When we played Sam early in his career.
He made a lot of mistakes. In fact, he threw
the ball right to our guy in the end zone
two years and three years ago down there, remember that
in overtime. And that's the progression that has to happen
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with a quarterback. We saw it some with Brock Purty
from Mila State, who played as a freshman and played
really good, and then last year had some games he
didn't play as good as he would have wanted to
just based on his production. And in in my history,
it's that comes from playing the game over and over
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and over and over and over and over. And so
we teach, we coach, we show him, we corrected, we
moved forward. But it's just so important to gain those
valuable reps and games of experience. I know there's a
lot that's gone on in the program. You've had the
reality show, you got all the expectations, but have you
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have you stopped it on? Like this is this was
my thought turning when I turned the game off and
you lost last Saturday. I was like, somebody realized that
Oklahoma State has is a program where the expectations were
to win that game, that you felt like you were
the better team and that you made the mistakes right,
Like there's is there any moment for perspective on exactly
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where your program is as opposed to where it was
back when you took it over. Well, it is for me.
That's my job, and so um, of course you know.
I go home and I got I got an eighteen
year at home and knows football in and out. I
got a sixteen year at home, he knows football in
and out. So they started battering me soon as I
walk in, Why this, Why this? With this? With this?
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And I said, most of what you're saying is true. Um,
but I said, here's what I want you to know
is we played a pretty talented team. Arguably, you're in
and you're out, Doug. Um, the Big twelve Texas is
going to be the most talented team based on somebody's
opinion through recruiting services and so on and so forth.
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And Um, they went in with a really sound, um
experienced quarterback that's made a million place. Um we went
in with a somewhat of a rookie and turn the
ball over five times and gave up a kick return
and we were still in overtime and barely lost. And
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then what what really got me with what you're talking
about was I'm walking out to the field and with
all due respect, I'm good. But Texas was celebrating like
it was a national championship. So when I went home,
I thought, you know, because you've been in enough games,
you know, you never forget those games. You just you
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wake up in the middle of the night going, I
can't believe that we decided to go after the punt.
I can't believe that we decided to run the fakes,
blah blah blah. But I also have to be have
to see the big picture. No, you know what State
football has come all the ways and for me, for
the players, I'm gonna coach here and eventually somebody will decide, hey,
he's not a good coach, we'll get rid of him. Um.
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When that happens, I'm I know that we have left
this way the hell from where we started this and
that does make me proud for the organization. Um. There
there was a lot of talk that because of your loss,
now the Big Twelve is eliminated itself from the College
fall playoff. I find that interesting because okay, uh, I
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feel like, almost, especially when you're playing all these conference games,
with all these schedules, most everybody's gonna lose the game.
Clemsoner or or Notre Dame is going to lose this weekend.
It's it's going to happen inevitably. Um. How does that?
How does that sit with you? That because a Big
Twelve team lost one game, somehow, the Big Twelve champion
has eliminated itself from playoff contention? Oh you know, you're
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you know, if you just look at things logically and realistically, Uh,
you know, I don't really looking a lot of that
because with COVID, with injuries, we're seeing more injuries this
year than ever because I don't think teams were in
as good a condition to start the year in fact
I know they weren't. UM. The virus can pop up anywhere.
Anything can happen. UM. I don't know if if that's
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easy to predict, but if you look at things logically,
somebody might say, hey, based on what's going on, because
this there's so much parody in this league this year,
we could just knock each other off. UM, you would
have a hard time to UM went into a debate
in that argument. But I know this that UM, with
what all is going on with the virus and the
different things with injuries and stuff that UM, anything can
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happen at any time. And UM, because of the parody
in this league. Each week, for the most part, most
of the the teams in this league can beat each other.
That it's really important as a head coach that you
keep your players focused on only today's practice and then
tomorrow tomorrow one. Don't worry about yesterday, yesterday, and then
just keep rolling because it's it's a year that anything
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can happen, and you hope you just kind of pop
up in the end. But for us, here's what we
talk about. We got to win a Big twelve championship.
If we don't win the Big twelve championship, it's extremely
difficult for us to get in the big one. I
mean it's just difficult. I mean the percentage I know
what they are. So we talk about winning a Big
twelve championship and then if we accomplished that, hopefully we
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put ourselves in some boat. I think we can get
across the pond to the other one. Coach, I wish
you nothing but success and uh, I can't wait to
see it in person. Um. I apologize for only joining
you after a loss so far, so I have to
do it next time after a win. But sometimes you
learn more about a team as you do. Not just
now do you learn about your team from a loss,
but we learn more because of what you've learned. So
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I appreciate that. Thanks for joining us, you bet. I
hope the family was doing well. You guys, take care
of all being on with you. A good one, all right,
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is Brandon Marshall. First things first, talking about Baker Mayfield
and if he's the franchise quarterback for the Browns. It's
easy if you ask this question in Green Bay, Nick,
if we can go to Kansas City and we asked
the question, what is Andy Reid gonna say? Andy Reid
is gonna say, Yes, that's our quarterback. That's why we
gave him the contract. We gave him. They sent it
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day too, when he was on campus, when Alex Smith
was still the starting quarterback. So look, Baker Mayfield still
have a chance. You know, there's everybody's career, everybody's journey
is different. Can he still get it done? Absolutely? But
this year, Jenner, the rest what I need to see
the rest of the way I need to see him.
Beat the good teams in his division, have some success
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in the division. Beat the Baltimore Ravens, beat the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Right now, you're oh and two, you have two games
left against them. Protect the ball. Ball security is job security,
yours in mind. I'll continue to preach the mind. We
don't need another seven interceptions. And then the last thing
I need you to do, Okay, let's get the Browns
to the playoffs. If you get the Browns to the playoffs,
I don't even need to win. Um. Yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, I think we're all we all know what
Baker Mayfield is. You know, I think this is one
of the one of the things that it's It's really hard.
The Baker Mayfield thing is really hard because in all honesty,
like in all candor, being the number one overall pick
does change things. You know. I've talked had this in
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drafts before. I talk to people who with the Cleveland
Cavaliers back, do you remember, well, let's see your Isaac.
Do you remember who the Calves number one overall pick
was before they had Kyrie Irving? Oh is that guy
from Canada, Anthony Bennett's Canada. Yeah, So if you go
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if you if you go back to to that draft. Hey,
you go back to that draft. It's an interesting one, right,
really really interesting one. And Anthony Bennett was it reached
now full disclosure, Like I didn't hate to pick because
I thought he could really develop as a guy. Long
arms would be you know, it could be a face
up for man. The problem was he had shoulder surgeries
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and bad shape. He didn't really work hard when he
was at U and l V. He didn't work hard
when he got there, and you know, you established those
you established a reputation for yourself, and you fall out
of the league. Like he just had a lot of
bad habits. But the other thing was when your judge
is and your judge differently is the number one overall pick,
you just you just are You judge completely differently when
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you're the number one overall pick. And I think that's
part of the case of Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield was,
as he had graded out previously, a third or fourth
round quarter pick, quarterback who's a starter. He'd be fine.
You'd be like, ah, there's some opposit or some downs,
you know, there's some limitations. But he's the third or
fourth round pick, number one pick er overall changes everything,
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changes everything, because when you think back to that two
thousand thirteen draft, Yes, Victor Oladipo second pick overall would
have been a better pick. Auto Porter, Cody Zeller, Alex Lynn,
New Orleans, Noel, Ben McLemore, Contavious Callwell, Pope like if
any of them had killer careers. No honest, win fifteen.
Obviously he's a two time m v P. But we
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only really talked about the guys that people had a
better than you thought career and the guy that was
the number one overall pick. Nobody talks about Alex Lynn
being a bust all right now. He talks about that
Rudy Gilbert went seven in that draft. People don't talk about,
you know, some of the other some of the other
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guys that went before Shoebas Mohammed going fourteen, number one
pick overall. At everybody says, well, I would I want
to be taking number one overall? Okay, at it scrutiny,
But do I think he's the present French Yes, right now,
he's the franchise and then they're all in on him.
Do I think if the thing falls apart that he'll
take the blame, of course, because what happens first, GM
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and coach they're already gone. Now he once the GM
and coaches gone, quarterback starts to take the blame. That'll
be Baker. If I were to take defense of Baker Mayfield.
When you look at the other quarterbacks that were taken
in that draft, I think, obviously it goes without saying
Lamar Jackson has accomplished more and had much more success
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than Baker um. Other than that, than you'd have Josh Allen,
who again who's accomplished more by what he's done in Buffalo.
But even with those two quarterbacks, they're starting to regress
more towards average quarterbacks as opposed to being transcendent talents.
Sam Donald, who knows based off of where the Jets
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have been, we know about Josh Rosen and the way
his NFL career is gone. So I don't think what
we've seen from Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen if they
got drafted in Cleveland that they would be having the
type of success Like there's no clear cut quarterback choice
that seems to have been a much better option for
Cleveland at the time. I could not agree with you more.
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I could not agree with you more, but we look
back through different glasses, right, Like, this isn't like when
they when they took Johnny Manzel and they researched and
none of their research, said Johnny Manziel. So I'm I'm
completely and totally with you, Doug gotlib Show here on Fox,
Sport Trader got a great throat out for you. Jonathan
Vilma is going to join US super Bowl champion, three
time pro bowler, Um. I want to talk to some
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John Harbaugh, excuse me, Jim Harbaugh next hour, the idea
of him maybe maybe getting back into the National Football League,
Like what makes actual sense. I'm big on what makes sense. Sorry,
that's not hot taking enough for you. But coming up next,
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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What Up, Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio? What's your favorite video game of all time? Um?
Unlike anybody else who hosts a show of this magnitude,
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I was a bit of a gamer growing up and
have remained a gamer. That's the great thing about having
a little boy. It's like, Dad, Dad, can I download
the new two K? You can pay for it? Yeah,
I'll pay for it out of my Christmas money. Yeah,
let's go get you up. Can I play against you?
So now he buys it and I get to play.
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It's amazing, amazing. Um. If I was going basketball games,
you know I loved Art Rivals. Do you guys remember?
Our Rivals was an arcade game where two on two
you punch each other. It did make video game, but
it was never as good in the video game. There's
obviously UM NBA Jams Peace on the Fire. There was
what preceded that one was UM was a double Dribble.
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It's a Konami game on Nintendo. So look there's there's
between the double dribble. The first e a Sports NBA
game was a Sports Lakers versus Celtics in the NBA Playoffs.
Then it was Lakers versus Bulls in the NBA Player
I used to dominate those. Of course, Madden can't really
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go wrong there, right football games, and I was I
was peak got Lie, but Madden when I would back
when the Raiders were good, this is like two thousand
one that Madden and I would run cross I'd run
crossing routes. I'd call play with crossing routes and I'd
send either Jerry Rice or Tim Brown in motion and
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then I can figure out by motion if they're in manner,
if they're in zone. It's really really is one of
the things that one of the things that motion helps
you do. Right I was. I saw this article from
a man named Robert Mays. This was really good. It
was in the Athletic and Take a list in this.
For the most part of his career, Aaron Rodgers and
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the Packers have seldom used pre snap motion. During Mike
McCarthy's final season with the franchise in two thousand eighteen,
green Bay used motion on just thirty point two percent
of the snaps, third lowest rate in the NFL. This season,
the numbers jumped to fifty one percent, the sixth highest
rate in the league. That shift has required a considered
amount of adjustment for one of the best qbs in
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NFL history. The Steelers and thirty eight year old quarterback
Ben Roethlisberger ranked fourth in the use of motion pre
snap twenty one percent of place, according ESPN, a notable
departure from their approach and UH in years past. So
what's happening with defenses and why is the motion so important? UM?
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I think it's fascinating because what the motion does now
NFL defenses are so complex that they can, uh, they
can look like one thing and then shortly before pre
snap they can switch to something else. What motion does
is it's gonna expose what you're in before you want
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to expose what you're in. Does that that make any sense? There?
M so like the the idea of a defense, nobody
just comes out and says like, hey, here's what we're playing,
and we do this in basketball as well. Like in basketball, uh,
a very European style which I do think will make
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its way. It has made its way on some levels
to the NBA. Is this um. When a team comes
up the court and you get into a set, they'll
go to a zone, or they'll wait to the first pass.
They'll be a man and man and they'll go to
a zone. The way to figure out what they're in
is to run a guy through pass and cut through
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and then if if somebody follows you through there in man,
if they don't follow you through, their in zone gets
the same exact idea. It's one of the reasons you
see within the A teams what's called false motion. Have
you ever seen this Ryan where when when NBA teams
are playing, like why are they just passing the ball
up top and handing and doing handoffs to each other?
That doesn't seem to be accomplishing anything. What it does
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is one, it sometimes gets the mismatches you want. Uh. Two,
it shows you if it teams in man, the teams
in zone, the team switching if they're staying home, what
their defensive coverages are so that way when you then
instead of just like you know, the college coach or
the old mentality is just all right, let's clear out
aside ball screen with the big guy to your best
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ball handler and keep everybody else spaced away. You're still
kind of doing that, but you're creating different angles, you're
creating different matchups. You know. Yeah, by the way, you're
trying to find out what defense the other team is in,
and that way you know how to attack it. The
same thing is true in football. The sports are they're
not identical, but there's a lot of similarities. And in football,
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the use of motion is just it's simply a way
to one get people moving and to make it ever
more clear what a team truly wants to be in,
not what they look like they're in, but what they're
ultimately going to be in. Because what you have to
do when you're gonna bluff on a zone, blitz from
the right hand side and drop back into base, or
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if you're gonna be in man and man looking like
you're in a zone, is you have to you have
to at least be in the area of somebody. You
can't simply run and sprint over to the area and
and it also tells us about Rogers and Roethlisberger why
sometimes they look a little bit uncomfortable And what do
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you do when you're uncomfortable? Right, what do you do? Well,
there's a lot of people who crack jokes when they're uncomfortable.
Ever do that? You know? That's that's my son. He's
got a little trouble in school and it was for
you know, he's trying to be like the class clown.
I'm like, dude, why would you do that? He's like,
I'm just not comfortable and I'm nervous, And that's what
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I do when I'm nervous. I get it. I understand
that's kind of my that's my default as well. But
you can't do it and be destructive at the same time, right, Like,
you just can't. Sorry, budd um. You know, when you're
Aaron Rodgers, sometimes you see him and he doesn't like
to look. He may be not as comfortable because he's
done it one way, but again, looking at how much
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better it looks this year than it did last year.
As they continue to kind of ad and give him
more confidence in it. And what happens is you go
from hating it to embracing it. This is not any
different than what Michael Jordan went through. They didn't run
the triangle. And he didn't like the triangle when he
when he first got there, when it first got there,
when text Winner first installed the triangle, which is also
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known as the triple post, he didn't like it. It
felt constrictive. It used to be get the ball to
Michael and get the hell out of the way and
they'll figure it out. And now it's wait, there's you
pass here, you cut here, if you go here, you're here.
They're set spacing based upon where the past goes. It
seems so formulaic, and yet ultimately he understood that it
just provided perfect spacing so that if anybody double teamed,
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he knew where the ball could go. And it put
everybody in a place where they can make a play.
That's what Aaron Rodgers is going through. And that's frankly
what what what Ben Roethlisberger is going through. That's how
you extend your career is instead of making the offense
work for your skills, making your skills work for your offense,
let the offense work for you. Pretty smart stuff. Uh,
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coming up next, he's the head coach of my alma mater,
Oklahoma State, felt like they still feel like they got
a great shot to win the Big Twelve Championship. What
went wrong Saturday with four turnovers against Texas? And can
he take any solace in having probably the better team
on the field with Texas? I'll ask him, he joins me. Next,
be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio
WAP Hollywood Brown you know he has played Oklahoma and
uh superspeedy talented wide receiver from Hollywood, Florida. That's how
I got the nickname. He had a tweet. That was
why the tweet exactly say. It was like, Uh, don't
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have some dogs unless you're gonna feed him or something
like that. What's the point of having soldiers when you
never use them? Never? Right? And and I told you
this was gonna be a problem that no matter how
much you like Lamar Jackson, guys legitimately like Lamar Jackson,
I need my touches, I need my I need my
catches one because you know, if you're a wide receiver,
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you think you can make plays and save the team.
But the other part is you need catches and numbers
in order to make money. Lamar Jackson said this about
Hollywood Brown's tweet, that's one of our key players in
our offense. I want to get in the ball the
easiest and fastest way we can. I have to do
a better job of getting it to him. Look, I've
been critical of Lamar and his lack of accuracy outside
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the numbers and the fact that he's gotten back to
dropping his eyes when he's under duress. But let me
give Lamar Jackson credit for a guy who one of
the concerns of him, if you ever like Lamar is
a quiet dude. He is not a boisterous dude in
any way. And when one of the reasons that they
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team struggled to get an eval of him as a
leader and a player was if you remember, his mom
was his agent and she would shield him. And what
I was told was when he came into the whiteboard
front teams at the draft combine, it wasn't great. But
part of it is like he's just not a super
loquacious guy. He just uh, he likes he loves football.
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He loves to compete, but he's not one of those
kind of grabbed the microphone and give dissertation sort of dudes.
I'll tell you what he has done though, all right,
he had never said the wrong thing, and at a
podium he hadn't gotten defensive, you know he had and
now look, Baker had has had O b J's back.
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But there's other times when Baker has gotten defensive. There
haven't been any defensive remarks. But I'm sure Lamar Jackson
doesn't like the people like dude, he can't win come
from behind. I'm sure he's probably thinking of himself like,
of course I can. There's some other things that go
with it. But he has yet to make and throw
an interception or fumble at the medium, and that that
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I don't think any of us saw coming. It wasn't
that we thought he would he would always say the
wrong thing, but he has never said the wrong thing,
literally never, And that is hard, especially when people for
the first time in your professional career are being critical
of you and your friends are like, yo, get me
the ball, dude. It's really easy for just thirty seconds
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to go like, hey man, maybe if you run the
right route, the right depths or hey man, I can
only do the plays that are called, or hey man,
be fine. If I wasn't under all this pressure, Ronnie
Stanley got got hurt. Now all a sudden, I'm under
pressure and I don't have time to get you the ball.
He didn't say any of that. He just said, that's
one of our best players. I gotta do a better
job getting the ball. Period. Be sure to catch the
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live edition of the Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at
three p m. Easter noon Pacific. There's a lot I
would like to get to with my gun day. He's
the head coach of both of our a mater of
Oklahoma State, and they're coming off a loss at home
to Texas in overtime. Their four and one on the season.
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Remember they had a Tulsa game postponed. Uh, they had
the Baylor game postponed. But they beat West Virginia, they
beat Tulsa, they beat Kansas, they beat Iowa State, and
they lost four in overtime to Texas. And coach, thanks
so much for taking time with us. I know you're
disappointed about the weekend, not in the team, but you
know the turnovers and the other stuff that. How do
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you reconcile that you have a very good defense. Um,
a good team, yet turnovers really cost you. Was gave
away the game against Texas? Yeah, you know we it was.
It was crazy. We had we had four plus a
rough in the punter which is really five, and then
gave up a kickoff return. So, um, we we should
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have been blown out basically by having that many mistakes,
and and we look at them on tape. It's like
anything else. You know, you you've been in enough sports
in your life. You look at them, you see what
the issues are. You come up with a plan to
correct him. You put that plan in place, and you
work it from that point moving forward. So the first
one we had, Spencer wasn't strong enough with the ball, okay,
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and in him not being strong enough with the ball,
that's something that can be corrected and that's something that
shouldn't happen. Um. The one before half, the guy strips
him from behind. Um, you know sometimes that happens. The
one ld had, he spends off of the defender, he
turns around, the guy puts his helmet dead square on
the ball. Um, that's a football. The one interception that
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Spencer through he threw the outcut behind the receiver and
at that particular time, the Texas defender was in perfect
position he caught it um. So some of it was
a little bit of a perfect storm. But then you
also have to give Texas credit. You know, on the
kick return, we had two guys that were right there
to tackle him, that were unblocked, and he made a
miss and he went and scored a touchdown. So you
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can't just say it's all us, you know, from the
standpoint of you know, you've got to give them some
credit to But but certainly wish that we would have
if we just cut him in half, if we just
had the those mistakes cut in half, would have been
a good shape. Well, we've got good practice this week.
We moved forward and keep on rolling. Uh. You mentioned
the roughing the punter. It was on a fourth and
twenty two. Is it? Is it guys just trying to
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make a place as something you guys saw on tape.
You're trying to take advantage of because because you know,
when you're watch it on TV, you're like, well, just
sit back and be conserved. Are they gonna you're giving
you the football? Take me through what what actually takes place? Yeah,
you know it's it's uh. I'm glad you brought that up.
It's interesting that you know people The first thing people
will say outside is his fourth and twenty two. Um,
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you're actually better going after a block on a fourth
and and more than um six yards, because if you
get a running into the kits a punter, it's a
five yard penalty. They still have to punch. A lot
of people think, well, if it's it's different. If it's
fourth and short, you got to be careful about going
after a punt on fourth and in less than five
one you could jump off sides two you're gonna get
the five yard penalty given the first town. So their
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punter could have very well been um um the m
v P of that game. Um. He punted the ball.
I think his average was forty nine yards, and he
downed us inside the fifteen yard, buying several times. When
you down a team inside the fifteen yard on the
percentages of going eighty five yards, go go way down
to score points much less. If you know if you're
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you're playing with UM, you know we're playing with three
new linemen in the second half based on UM. We
lost our left tackle on the interception on the play
last play the first half. So Um, he had down
to so many times inside the fifteen he said, we
at least they try to put some pressure on and
disrupt him a little bit, because if he continues to
down us inside the fifteen and ten yard line, it's
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really difficult to score. So that's why that decision was made. Um,
the young man that actually got the penalty was falling.
He tripped and was falling and he fell on his
shoulder pad hit the foot of the of the punter
and Um, you know by rule you can get that
penalty called against you. So that's how that took place.
My gun, you head coach Chacolman stage joining us on
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the Doug Outlet Show on Fox Sports Radio. You have
some incredible talent on offense that gets a lot of
the attention, But the defense I think has surprised many
who haven't paid attention to what you've been building. And
you've also done it kind of uniquely with Oklahoma kids,
right like the everyone thinks that. I mean, one of
the reasons last weekend's game is so big as Texas
and recruiting in the state of Texas, and it's not
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that you don't recruit Texas. But your defense is not
only special and Jim Nole's been able to have a
complex scheme, but of a lot of Oklahoma kids, UM
was was that meant to be or that just happened
that way? UM. A few years ago, UM, we we
started doing some research on players on our team and
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the success that we're having from those players, and we
realized that the percentage because we don't take as many
Oklahoma players, because there's only there's only gonna be like
five or six players in the state of Oklahoma that
are gonna get offers from major universities, and UM, you know,
we find our ass off It's tough Oklahoma's going to
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get some of those guys. So the point being is,
we started doing research on other players that we were
taking that were closer in proximity to UM to our campus,
and the production per capita that we were getting from
them was really, really, really high. And so unfortunately in Oklahoma,
our hands are tied a little bit with with education
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and funding. Facilities across the boarder are pretty average. UM
pay scale for coaches, teachers, so on, and so forth.
This pretty average. So the the training that these guys
are getting or not getting is what I'm going to
compared to other states where they're getting full time strength coaches,
athletic periods, things like that. So we found that there's
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more there with the Oklahoma kids. We started taking more
players than we did in my first UM ten years
here that we thought that could help us, and those
guys have come in and played really good. Jim Knowles
is in year three. Jim is highly intelligent, and you've
been around enough coaches to know sometimes if you're really
really smart, you can outcoach yourself. Um and and he's
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so smart that, uh, sometimes he gets ahead of himself
a little. But he's he's very down to earth, and
he he looks at things and has made adjustments and
he's he's stayed with the system he believes in, but
he's made adjustments that we think that gives us the
best chance in this league based on the personnel we have,
and he's really made changes and the players have kind
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of bought into it. So and we also allotted three
more scholarships four years ago to the defensive side of
the ball. We took him away from offense, put him
on the defensive side of the ball to try to
find a way to increase our ability to perform better
on the defensive. Sietey, you mentioned that your stats show
you that per capita, you're getting more production of Oklahoma kids.
Kids are a closer in proximity. Um, what's what's your hypotheses?
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Why do you think that is? You know, I think
that most people are just more comfortable if they're near
um where they grew up or where they're from. It's
not I I gotta I gotta thought. I got a thought.
I mean going. One of the things about going, and
obviously both you and I haven't played there, like it's
a special place, but it's also kind of there's a
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little underdog mentality and you kind of feel like, you know, like, look,
if you're getting if you're getting them from Oklahoma, that
probably means that either Texas didn't offer or wasn't as
strong in terms of how they came in in their offer,
And so there's a little kind of chip on your
shoulder us against the world. You really are playing for
your school, whereas sometimes you get to schools where you're
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you know, you're recruiting the five stars, and the five
stars that's just in their mind, that's just a way
station for them to get to the pros. Is there
is there a possibility that's a kind of about the
grit that you unintentionally maybe recruit because guys are a
little bit passed over and it's kind of the mentality
of Oklahoma State. Well, well, the first thing is we
don't have anybody on the roster that Texas offered. Okay,
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so what you're saying is accurate. There is some truth there.
It's an Oklahoma stay, it's a different place. We have
to find the right sit here. UM meets a community people,
the young men that come to school here, they want
to get an education, who want to be a part
of the team. They're serious about um what they're wanting
to accomplish. Uh. And so those are the type of
players that we have to go after in my opinion anyway, No, no, no, listen, Yeah,
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how somebody else might come in here and I feel like, hey,
we do it differently. We go recruit all over the country.
That's just not what we've done here, and we've we've
got a little bit better at it. And the guys
here they do feel that way. They they that's exactly
the way they feel, and that's the way I want
them to feel Yeah. No, I mean, like listen, I
just I mean, obviously I came from California, but I
remember like Kansas didn't offer me. You know, they and
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and kids had always had. They were offered Paul Pierce
who was a big guy, and they always had like
a Donnas Jordan's from out of here. They had California
kids all the time, especially point guards. And I was
like every time we played Kansas, I was piste off
a right. I just had, you know, and I had
friends on the team. So there, there is there there's
a lot to that. Um. I want to ask you
about a couple of your stars. Gonna start with Tylan
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Wallace because with Cuba, and of course with Spencer you
got quarterback gets a ton of attention to Cuba because
he led the country in rushing last year. Tylan Wallas
got hurt last year and just an elite wide receiver.
I gotta think it feels like he's better after the
knee injury. Like, h what is that? Is that? Is
that just me watching on TV? Or is there any
(21:21):
accuracy to that? He's really good and what he's done,
Doug is he's he's gotten over the mental block of
I could potentially get hurt because you know, in sports,
particularly football, you can't play the game unless you're playing
recklessly in full speed. You cannot play the game concerned
(21:44):
about being injured. And in Uh in the in the
latter part of the spring, in the latter part of
the spring, and Um in in early camp, he was
he was a little tentative in that way, which is normal.
I've never had a major injury and come back from it.
But he got over that and he's playing now. He's
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back to having fun, and that's the way you have
to play the game. And he's gonna be a really
good pro player because he not only has the skill,
but he's a good young man. He's a great person.
He's unselfish. Um he's got a great work ethic, and
he's really humble and quiet. Chub obviously had a great year.
Um didn't get the feedback he wanted, wanted to come
(22:26):
back and compete for Oklahoma State. It felt like earlier
year that he was kind of the same thing you're
talking about Thailand. I don't know if he wasn't if
he wasn't comfortable, if he was being used felt like differently,
or whatever. I know, obviously the quarterback changes because Spencer
got hurt, that that changes a lot of how you
have to play and his importance. But it felt like
a couple of games ago the light switch went on.
(22:48):
What have your conversation has been like with your star
running back? I think what you're saying is real accurate.
There were some concerns. See, these these players live in
a different world because of um, they carry a computer
in their hand all the time. They're they're seven on
social media, which is not productive and good for him. Um,
(23:10):
They're getting feedback from from agents, representatives, family people telling
them about a lot of different things. They don't know
what to grasp onto. They get confused, and you then
have people that are talking to them that are talking
about millions of dollars, Well, that doesn't make any sense
to them based on the value and what you actually
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have to do to get that accomplished, and they get
confused at times. Now I'm not sure that that happened
with Cuba, but I do think that he got distracted
by all the different people talking to him, and then
I know after the first couple of games of the
year that he he has told people in an organization
you know what, I'm just going back to what I do.
I'm just gonna go back and playing football. I'm not
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worried about any s other stuff. I think he cut
off a lot of things. I think he got off
a lot of social media and things. I'm not honest,
so I don't know, but I think he just came
to the conclusion, Look, I need to play football. This
is my ticket forget everything else. And I think that
since then, Doug, he's got a little bit of peace
of mind. You know that that's what we all have
to have in life, right, we have to have a
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piece of mind that everything's gonna be okay. Just let
me do what I enjoy doing. I think that's the
direction he went. Um, how do you having played the
position and played it well, coached it for so long
and had so many different guys, Spencer centers unique talent, right,
he can do his legs into his arm. I mean,
he's a pretty tough kid as well. He's obviously suffered
through a couple of injuries. But how do you balance
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out the risk reward because he makes some plays that
no one else in your roster can make. On the
other hand, at some point, even though it's his second year.
The turnovers. I mean, as anybody who studies football knows,
the more you turn the football over, the less like
you are to win. How do you reconcile that he's
in game either nine or ten of his career. He's
(24:56):
been around here forever, he red shirted, he was here
last year, got hurt, he's here this year, got hurt back.
He's in game ten. The comparison is sam Elingers in
game thirty nine. When we played Sam early in his career.
He made a lot of mistakes. In fact, he threw
the ball right to our guy in the end zone
two years and three years ago down there, remember that
in overtime. And that's the progression that has to happen
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with a quarterback. We saw it some with Brock Purty
from Mila State, who played as a freshman and played
really good, and then last year had some games he
didn't play as good as he would have wanted to
just based on his production. And in in my history,
it's that comes from playing the game over and over
(25:41):
and over and over and over and over. And so
we teach, we coach, we show him, we corrected, we
moved forward. But it's just so important to gain those
valuable reps and games of experience. I know there's a
lot that's gone on in the program. You've had the
reality show, you got all the expectations, but have you
(26:01):
have you stopped it on? Like this is this was
my thought turning when I turned the game off and
you lost last Saturday. I was like, somebody realized that
Oklahoma State has is a program where the expectations were
to win that game, that you felt like you were
the better team and that you made the mistakes right,
Like there's is there any moment for perspective on exactly
(26:23):
where your program is as opposed to where it was
back when you took it over. Well, it is for me.
That's my job, and so um, of course you know.
I go home and I got I got an eighteen
year at home and knows football in and out. I
got a sixteen year at home, he knows football in
and out. So they started battering me soon as I
walk in, Why this, Why this? With this? With this?
(26:44):
And I said, most of what you're saying is true. Um,
but I said, here's what I want you to know
is we played a pretty talented team. Arguably, you're in
and you're out, Doug. Um, the Big twelve Texas is
going to be the most talented team based on somebody's
opinion through recruiting services and so on and so forth.
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And Um, they went in with a really sound, um
experienced quarterback that's made a million place. Um we went
in with a somewhat of a rookie and turn the
ball over five times and gave up a kick return
and we were still in overtime and barely lost. And
(27:28):
then what what really got me with what you're talking
about was I'm walking out to the field and with
all due respect, I'm good. But Texas was celebrating like
it was a national championship. So when I went home,
I thought, you know, because you've been in enough games,
you know, you never forget those games. You just you
(27:49):
wake up in the middle of the night going, I
can't believe that we decided to go after the punt.
I can't believe that we decided to run the fakes,
blah blah blah. But I also have to be have
to see the big picture. No, you know what State
football has come all the ways and for me, for
the players, I'm gonna coach here and eventually somebody will decide, hey,
he's not a good coach, we'll get rid of him. Um.
(28:12):
When that happens, I'm I know that we have left
this way the hell from where we started this and
that does make me proud for the organization. Um. There
there was a lot of talk that because of your loss,
now the Big Twelve is eliminated itself from the College
fall playoff. I find that interesting because okay, uh, I
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feel like, almost, especially when you're playing all these conference games,
with all these schedules, most everybody's gonna lose the game.
Clemsoner or or Notre Dame is going to lose this weekend.
It's it's going to happen inevitably. Um. How does that?
How does that sit with you? That because a Big
Twelve team lost one game, somehow, the Big Twelve champion
has eliminated itself from playoff contention? Oh you know, you're
(28:57):
you know, if you just look at things logically and realistically, Uh,
you know, I don't really looking a lot of that
because with COVID, with injuries, we're seeing more injuries this
year than ever because I don't think teams were in
as good a condition to start the year in fact
I know they weren't. UM. The virus can pop up anywhere.
Anything can happen. UM. I don't know if if that's
(29:20):
easy to predict, but if you look at things logically,
somebody might say, hey, based on what's going on, because
this there's so much parody in this league this year,
we could just knock each other off. UM, you would
have a hard time to UM went into a debate
in that argument. But I know this that UM, with
what all is going on with the virus and the
different things with injuries and stuff that UM, anything can
(29:43):
happen at any time. And UM, because of the parody
in this league. Each week, for the most part, most
of the the teams in this league can beat each other.
That it's really important as a head coach that you
keep your players focused on only today's practice and then
tomorrow tomorrow one. Don't worry about yesterday, yesterday, and then
just keep rolling because it's it's a year that anything
(30:05):
can happen, and you hope you just kind of pop
up in the end. But for us, here's what we
talk about. We got to win a Big twelve championship.
If we don't win the Big twelve championship, it's extremely
difficult for us to get in the big one. I
mean it's just difficult. I mean the percentage I know
what they are. So we talk about winning a Big
twelve championship and then if we accomplished that, hopefully we
(30:26):
put ourselves in some boat. I think we can get
across the pond to the other one. Coach, I wish
you nothing but success and uh, I can't wait to
see it in person. Um. I apologize for only joining
you after a loss so far, so I have to
do it next time after a win. But sometimes you
learn more about a team as you do. Not just
now do you learn about your team from a loss,
but we learn more because of what you've learned. So
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I appreciate that. Thanks for joining us, you bet. I
hope the family was doing well. You guys, take care
of all being on with you. A good one, all right,
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and if he's the franchise quarterback for the Browns. It's
easy if you ask this question in Green Bay, Nick,
if we can go to Kansas City and we asked
the question, what is Andy Reid gonna say? Andy Reid
is gonna say, Yes, that's our quarterback. That's why we
gave him the contract. We gave him. They sent it
(31:54):
day too, when he was on campus, when Alex Smith
was still the starting quarterback. So look, Baker Mayfield still
have a chance. You know, there's everybody's career, everybody's journey
is different. Can he still get it done? Absolutely? But
this year, Jenner, the rest what I need to see
the rest of the way I need to see him.
Beat the good teams in his division, have some success
(32:14):
in the division. Beat the Baltimore Ravens, beat the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Right now, you're oh and two, you have two games
left against them. Protect the ball. Ball security is job security,
yours in mind. I'll continue to preach the mind. We
don't need another seven interceptions. And then the last thing
I need you to do, Okay, let's get the Browns
to the playoffs. If you get the Browns to the playoffs,
I don't even need to win. Um. Yeah, I don't know.
(32:40):
I mean, I think we're all we all know what
Baker Mayfield is. You know, I think this is one
of the one of the things that it's It's really hard.
The Baker Mayfield thing is really hard because in all honesty,
like in all candor, being the number one overall pick
does change things. You know. I've talked had this in
(33:00):
drafts before. I talk to people who with the Cleveland
Cavaliers back, do you remember, well, let's see your Isaac.
Do you remember who the Calves number one overall pick
was before they had Kyrie Irving? Oh is that guy
from Canada, Anthony Bennett's Canada. Yeah, So if you go
(33:21):
if you if you go back to to that draft. Hey,
you go back to that draft. It's an interesting one, right,
really really interesting one. And Anthony Bennett was it reached
now full disclosure, Like I didn't hate to pick because
I thought he could really develop as a guy. Long
arms would be you know, it could be a face
up for man. The problem was he had shoulder surgeries
(33:43):
and bad shape. He didn't really work hard when he
was at U and l V. He didn't work hard
when he got there, and you know, you established those
you established a reputation for yourself, and you fall out
of the league. Like he just had a lot of
bad habits. But the other thing was when your judge
is and your judge differently is the number one overall pick,
you just you just are You judge completely differently when
(34:05):
you're the number one overall pick. And I think that's
part of the case of Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield was,
as he had graded out previously, a third or fourth
round quarter pick, quarterback who's a starter. He'd be fine.
You'd be like, ah, there's some opposit or some downs,
you know, there's some limitations. But he's the third or
fourth round pick, number one pick er overall changes everything,
(34:26):
changes everything, because when you think back to that two
thousand thirteen draft, Yes, Victor Oladipo second pick overall would
have been a better pick. Auto Porter, Cody Zeller, Alex Lynn,
New Orleans, Noel, Ben McLemore, Contavious Callwell, Pope like if
any of them had killer careers. No honest, win fifteen.
Obviously he's a two time m v P. But we
(34:47):
only really talked about the guys that people had a
better than you thought career and the guy that was
the number one overall pick. Nobody talks about Alex Lynn
being a bust all right now. He talks about that
Rudy Gilbert went seven in that draft. People don't talk about,
you know, some of the other some of the other
(35:08):
guys that went before Shoebas Mohammed going fourteen, number one
pick overall. At everybody says, well, I would I want
to be taking number one overall? Okay, at it scrutiny,
But do I think he's the present French Yes, right now,
he's the franchise and then they're all in on him.
Do I think if the thing falls apart that he'll
take the blame, of course, because what happens first, GM
(35:31):
and coach they're already gone. Now he once the GM
and coaches gone, quarterback starts to take the blame. That'll
be Baker. If I were to take defense of Baker Mayfield.
When you look at the other quarterbacks that were taken
in that draft, I think, obviously it goes without saying
Lamar Jackson has accomplished more and had much more success
(35:54):
than Baker um. Other than that, than you'd have Josh Allen,
who again who's accomplished more by what he's done in Buffalo.
But even with those two quarterbacks, they're starting to regress
more towards average quarterbacks as opposed to being transcendent talents.
Sam Donald, who knows based off of where the Jets
(36:14):
have been, we know about Josh Rosen and the way
his NFL career is gone. So I don't think what
we've seen from Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen if they
got drafted in Cleveland that they would be having the
type of success Like there's no clear cut quarterback choice
that seems to have been a much better option for
Cleveland at the time. I could not agree with you more.
(36:36):
I could not agree with you more, but we look
back through different glasses, right, Like, this isn't like when
they when they took Johnny Manzel and they researched and
none of their research, said Johnny Manziel. So I'm I'm
completely and totally with you, Doug gotlib Show here on Fox,
Sport Trader got a great throat out for you. Jonathan
Vilma is going to join US super Bowl champion, three
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John Harbaugh, excuse me, Jim Harbaugh next hour, the idea
of him maybe maybe getting back into the National Football League,
Like what makes actual sense. I'm big on what makes sense. Sorry,
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