December 2, 2020 • 40 mins
Doug presents a case that proves Tom Brady is regressing at this point in his career. Daniel Jeremiah from the NFL Network joins the show to discuss the progression of Patrick Mahomes.
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Tug got Leave Show? Fox Sports Radio. Man. I hope
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do you know what you want for Christmas? Like that's
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Or Hanako or whatever? Ramos? I you know you're somebody
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the market for one as well. Um, by the way,
do they make small televisions anymore? That's one of the
things I remember you used to be like, oh, he's
got a big screen TV in your house? Like, dude,
everybody honestly, like we were shopping for a TV and
in the spot that I'm looking for, we need somewhere
between a forty we we don't we don't necessarily need
a fifty inch TV. And um, this this is the
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your boy gott Labe knows way more about stuff that
I shouldn't know about. But that's kind of what I do,
is I get onto a topic and I really want
to know everything about it. So in case you've forgotten,
remember you measured diagonally for the that that doesn't mean
that's not the actual width of the TV. The width
is not as wide as it is diagonally. So if
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inches in width. That doesn't mean a fifty inch TV
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gusly not necessarily listening. She doesn't have to know there's
one thing you really really want? What would it be? Honestly, now,
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as you said, with the new home, the number one
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the number one thing I would want to do right now? Okay,
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that's that's super late, That's I understand. Listen, this is
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of one on one is have something to let her
get you. That's something I understand. But like as you said,
I know you have the budget is super tight, we know,
but it's not even that. Like I just like we
got married, we've gotten wedding gifts. Like I truly don't
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like almost is like I would like a TV. Like
when we moved into the house, I bought a new TV.
When we moved into the house, we bought a sound
bar for the TV. We have a new couch, like
we got gifts for our wedding. Like I truly there
is no like item that I'm out there going, man,
I'd really like that. Yeah, I mean, you're all loaded
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up on your thong underwear. I know that that was
a big You're like asking me for my Tommy John code,
and like, dude, Tommy John doesn't have thong underwear. I
don't know. Well, I was hoping they did. Buyer. Is
there one thing that would like Lisa or somebody close
to you to get to get for you one item? Jeez, Cameron, right, No,
absolutely absolutely I would love that because I actually am
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in the business for a new putter. And the other
thing with COVID. You know where where I go, they
don't have the clubs out in the pro shop because
they don't want people lingering. So there's so yeah, nobody
lingers like golf golf shop people. Well, yeah, how many
guys you gotta grab the putter and then they'll do
their stroke without hitting a ball. Yeah this feels, this
feels good. Yeah, no, I got it? Like how it like, dude,
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you can't put It doesn't really matter about the equipment,
not you personally, but the guy in the in the Yeah, no,
Scotty Cameron putter would be awesome. Although when when I
four putt with the Scottie Cameron, it looks a hundred
times worse. But no, that would be awesome. It looks
really good when you know what it does. It signifies
like once we get back to normalcy at a club
and the and the guy starts cleaning the clubs at
the end, you're like, Scottie Cameron, but this guy is
a real deal, right, just it does signify like this
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guy's gotta know a little something about something or something
about something. Was suppos my clubs, which are like ping
I two's right, and they're an other G five's ping
G five's and they're a good decade old. They were customed.
But I'm I'm ready for a new ready for a
new set. I don't know if that's what I want.
I'm actually very simple. I'm in the market for a
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really good sweatshirt, sweatpants, like high quality, high end type
of champion. You are high on champions, A champion. I
do have some champions stuff. Um, yeah, maybe a little
more lightweight. I'll I don't want to share all all
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sure I thank him next time I see him. Let's
get to this. Chris Sims was on our show yesterday.
And keep in mind that Chris Sims, a former quarterback,
obviously son of a Super Bowl champion quarterback, guy who
covers the league for NBC, used to work for the
doing Patriots. There is no malice in in what what
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what he said? By the way, another fumble, uh, this
one on a punt return that the Ravens recover fourty
one to go. The Ravens fumbled, and then the steel
the Steelers they fumble on the first drive as well,
and they turned it over on downs or down, fourth down,
and then they scored a touchdown, missed the extra point
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and now they have muffed a punt on a really
good hit. But it wasn't even that hard a hit.
That was just that was not good. Who's that returning
kicks for Pittsburgh? Come on, dude, you got a hold
on that ball. This is that is the job. There's
the job. Anyway, This is Chris Sim's yesterday on Tom Brady.
Tom Brady obviously good. I mean we know that, and
you can win a Super Bowl. Tom Brady top ten
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quarterback is no longer a discussion. So everyone has to
stop that he's not capable of carrying the team. Hey,
they had four third and fives or less to start
the football game. He struggles when teams blitz him. He
doesn't want to get hit and he can't move. That's
from a guy who's a fan. That's from a guy
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who's a quarterback. That's from a guy who respects him.
And this is kind of what we're This is the thing.
You look at his completion percentage since winning the m
v P in eighteenth and completion percentage ninth and QB
are fourteenth and yard pertempt at two thousand eighteen last
year twenty three yards pertemp. Nineteen in completion percentage this
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year yards per attempt. Remember, all we talk about is
how much he throws the ball downfield. QBR complete twenty five.
There's nothing elite about Tom Brady at all outside of
his resume. And and this is not a small sample size.
It's not a bad year. That's not a bad skill
set of people. That's not we have old offense, new offense,
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green offense, blue offense, good weapons, bad weapons. Do you
like green eggs and him? Of course I do. I'm sam,
I am right. These are the terrible numbers. Our expectations
of him are completely unrealistic because he walks in with
six Super Bowl rings, haven't appeared in nine Super Bowls.
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He's forty three years old. The regression is there. It
is not off a cliff as Max Kellerman thought it
would be five or six years ago. It has been
slow and it has been steady, and it has been
obvious to anybody who watches. Now. Look, this is what
Chris said. You can still win games with him. If anything,
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you have to spend extra care on putting the type
of pieces around him that can support him that he
can win with. But I don't think it's blasphemy for
you to say, hey, look, this is a guy who
has aged. Father Time is in fact more undefeated than
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the seventy two Dolphins. Father Time never loses. It may
take him awhile, may take me overtime, but never never loses.
And I don't think that's wrong to say. But it's
also these two things can both be true. It's like
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we said this about Carson Wentz yesterday. The Eagles organization
has done all of the wrong things after being successful,
resigned older players quarterback to a huge deal, rushed him
back to play, lost assistance, and didn't replace them appropriately.
With guys who could fit whatever they were doing to
coach their quarterback and coach their team up and all
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of these things have gone wrong, and Carson Wentz is
playing poorly. But they can be mutually exclusive and happened
at the same time. The same is true for Tampa
Tampa Bay. Tom Brady can be getting older, cannot be
nearly the player who used to be, and Tampa can
be doing a terrible job of getting the most out
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of him because there's still enough in him. This is
the This is the I love oranges. You guys like oranges.
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Told you, I know about TVs. I know about oranges
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But this is like if you get an orange and
it's already been scosen, squeezed, squeezed, right, There's still plenty
of good stuff in there. There's pulpe. I don't like pulpe.
There's pulp. You know, the white stuff supposedly has the
most vitamins. Did your mom tell you that? Is that
actually a scientific fact that the white part of the
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inside of the orange has the most vitamins? I don't know.
There's still plenty of good juice in that orange, But
instead the Ravens are choosing to go like, I mean,
the Ravens, the the Buccaneers are choosing to go like, well,
it's not a full orange anymore. Why can't you squeeze
the juice just pops out? Well, because it's not still
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a very good orange. Is still blood orange, still very tasty.
Let's get it. Let's get every bit of juice out
of it. And if so, you can still have a
little bit of orange juice to drink. Is there anything
better than a really good glass of pure orange juice? Right? Anything?
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Heart Radio WAP Doug Gotlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. I've
had a lot of discussions with some my NFL friends
about Pat Mahomes, and actually three g ms I know
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I've talked to and they all passed on Mahomes. And
obviously now they're all sitting there going like I probably
should have taken him. But they all had the same
scattered report on Pat Mahomes, who could very well be
the best quarterback in the NFL right now. And I
know you're you're probably thinking yourself, well, hold on, DG.
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He won Super Bowl, he won the m v P
and I'm watching Pittsburgh play. Pittsburgh is gonna be an
underdog in the in the a f C champions they're
gonna be undefeated seventeen and oh and there'll be an
underdog to the Kancity Chiefs. And a big reason why
is gonna be Pat Mahomes. Right, Like we all kind
of agree with that, like he's he's a cheap code, okay,
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and the numbers, but the point is that Pat Mahomes,
who's he's second and passer rating. He leads a league
with three thousand, four nine seven yards passing. He's got
five games left. He's got five games left. You do
the math, right, say it's three d clip right at
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about and he goes roughly over three hundred clip. All right,
that's a dude that will be at what five thousand
yards passing? Just ridiculous. Yeah, Robins go ahead. So the
difference then between Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Kyler Murray,
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all of these kind of well, I guess Holmes is
kind of a running he's more of a passing, but
he still can run. He's very fast, is the arm, right,
That's what that's a difference between Mahomes and the rest
of those guys. Is that correct? Is that what we know?
It's not. There's more than that. Okay, yes, and no,
I wouldn't put him nearly. He's not slow, but he's
not fast. He's athletic within the pocket, right, he's I
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would guess in a foot race. I don't think he's
faster than Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers peak maybe now
Aaron Rodgers. Well, what the first thing I would say
is to anybody says's unequivocally the best quarterback in the league, Like,
I don't know, you put Aaron Rodgers in that offense,
I think they're pretty good as well. And within Aaron
Rodgers offense, he's been basically the statistical statistically, he's there
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there even you know that's That's really kind of what
it comes down to anyway. Um, that it's not the arm.
Lamar Jackson is a good arm. Lamar Jackson isn't accurate
at nearly the level of Pat Mahomes. He doesn't have
doesn't seem to have the ability to throw from different
arm angles. Um, there are places in the football field
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which are kind of dead zones to him throwing the
football where there are no dead zones. There's not a
throw that he can't make. It's one of the things
that goes underrated about Joe Flacco, right, And I know
you're like, wait, why are you talking about je Flacken.
We talk about Lamar because Joe Flacco had some flaws,
but he had a plus plus arm. They're just deep
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outs are deep outs of the stuff that only the
real elite guys can can make with arms. And he's
got that kind of arm talent. Blacko had that as well.
I didn't have all the other stuff obviously, but it's
the creativity, the ability to read a defense, to move
within the pocket, to deliver the ball accurately and on
time with the great velocity. All of those things. All
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of those things are what makes him him. But this
is Tyreek hill On inside the NFL talking about the
first impression he had a Pat Mahomes when he's drafted. Quote,
I thought he was trash. I ain't even gonna cat man.
When he first got here, I was like, this is
who y'all drafted right here, this is who y'all drafted.
The second year, like his quarterback mechanics were different. It
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was like he was spending more time with his quarterback coach,
spending more time with coach Reid, like learning the offense,
dude was different. We are all commenting on Pat Mahomes.
How could you possibly miss on Pat Mahomes and or
nine guys taken ahead of him. But he got the
benefit of coming in and Alex Smith was playing, starting
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and playing well, so he got to learn, and he
learned from a guy who's a true pro, and Andy
Reid is a true pro. But also they had a
quarterback coach around him who worked with him. The the
the m O on Pat Mahomes was, yeah, he had
bad mechanics, you know, a little bit flaky, took a
lot of chances. You know, his team is his his teammate,
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his favorite targets. Like, yeah, it was like he's spending
more time with his quarterback coach. He just looked like
a raw product. And that's not lost on evaluators. You
gotta evaluate, all right, might have to play this guy
right away. Now that the Trabinsky thing does make you
scratch your head. Because they looked at de Sean and
they passed unto Seawan on. They looked at my Homes
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and they passed him my homes And as much as
Rabinsky they may have thought was ready to play, the
fact is, I think you only played fourteen games in college,
was very inexperienced. The Rabinsky thing was more about leadership qualities.
Like Mitch Drabinsky is gonna whenever his NFL career comes
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to it, and it maybe sooner rather than later, he
will leave with a ton of people who really like him.
They may not respect him as a quarterback or think
he's very good at quarterback, but they really like him.
And they were trying to figure out, all right, we
got to bring in a dude that everybody likes because
everybody hates j Color. But two people who are gonna
go back and say, this guy missed on him, this
guy missed on him, and how could you do this
that could? Honestly, the team that I think should have
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taken him was the Chargers. Right, they took forest Lamp
instead because they wanted to protect Philip Rivers, But they
would have had Philip Rivers for him to learn behind,
and then in a year or two years would have
had to make the decision do we which they ultimately
did to let Philip Rivers go. Should be pointed out,
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should we point out that I think the Chargers won
twelve games that next year? Anyway, So you know, Tyreek
Hill telling you that the guy wasn't ready tells you
all you need to know about all these teams that
quote unquote missed. It wasn't just that he had all
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these skill position players around him. They had the perfect
environment for him to be a great player. And part
of that was sitting. Part of that was working. And look,
some of that is also part of what makes it
special to see uh Pat Mahomes have success. It's a
lot of his hard work and cleaning up his mechanics.
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Doug Otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay, let's let's
get to Janel Jeremiah moved this you mean Move the
Sticks is the podcast and he covers the entire National
Football League. Let me play play something for you. This
is Chris sims on Tom Brady yesterday on My show.
Tom Brady obviously good. I mean we know that, and
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you can win a Super Bowl. Tom Brady Top ten
quarterback is no longer a discussion, so everyone has to
stop that he's not capable of carrying the team. Hey,
they had four third and fives or less to start
the football game. He struggles when teams blitz him. He
doesn't want to get hit and he can't move d
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What do you think, Well, I think that's fair. I
definitely agree with him on the fact that he's not,
you know, not the top five team as a quarterback
in the league right now. Um, but you know, I
don't think that it necessarily marries up well with with
what they're having them do there either. So to me,
there's not a lot of quick options, not a lot
of quick winners, and he's been he's a guy who's
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lived off quick winners the last five seven years. Doug
Otlip show here on Fox Sports Tradeo. How do you
fix it? Well, you gotta start doing what he does.
I mean that to me is is as part of
the issue there. And I also think they need to
commit to the run game. That's I feel like we
said this all the time and you look at his
uh the end of the year performances down in New
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England or up in New England, I should say, over
the last few years, they've realized that, hey, he can't.
We can't put this on him. He wears down as
the season goes along, he misses his throws, We're gonna
have to run the football. And that's what they did.
They just were physical with people and then everything off
that was was play action, but not enough deep shot
play action. More just you know, quick rhythm play action
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balls out and um and protect him that way. But
they just don't. They just don't like to run the ball. Man,
It's not in their DNA. Yeah, I know it's not.
It does seem like, it seems like a seems like
a bad fit. That just it does. Um, if you
were the Eagles, what would you do. Well, you've gotta
have to give You gotta give Carson another shot here
going to the offseason, and that's got to be You're
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gonna have to pair everything down when in terms of
all the voices of that around him, we're gonna have
to bring an entirely new voice. But that's got to change.
The the approach has to change. And you know, look,
I don't think you just throw him aside. I think
some people have acted like he just as you know,
he had maybe five good games in his career. This
guy's been pretty darn good and pretty consistent throughout his
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career until this year. He just fell off a cliff.
So I'm not I'm not going to completely give up
on him. It looks awful right now. I'm not going
to defend him. He's played terrible. A lot of excuses
you could make, but to me, it's just let's just
get to the offseason streamline who's in his ear and
and run one offense and trying to instead of trying
to run a collection of five Doug Gottlib Show here
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on Fox Sports Radio. What about the organization though, it
feels like they've made every mistake you can possibly make
after winning a Super Bowl, right, like resigning your guys
when they get old, and then they get old, they
get hurt. You know, they're obviously locked into a massive
deal that's kind of back it against the cap with him.
That they haven't and this is a big one. They
haven't replaced the coaches that have left with with enough
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coach that seemed to be connecting with with Carson, and
then they've been caught with some bad luck as well.
Like it does feel like organizationally, they've made a lot
of errors. Yeah, I mean, I agree, and I've called
out some of them at the time, you know, when
you look at some of the draft decisions that were made.
That being said, I just feel like sometimes it gets
lost in the in the discussion here. This team, you know,
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you mentioned coming off of the Super Bowl, they want
a super Bowl three years ago, been in the playoffs
three straight years. They're having a clunker. They're having an
absolute clunker of the season in a weird year, in
a pandemic year where they've lost three starters on the
offensive line at times, you know, down more than that,
including the you know, arguably you know, first or second
best guard in the National Football League. You're left tackle
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and uh and you also had the arguably the top
two or three right tackle in the NFL. So look
that being said, I'm almost like, hey, pair things down
a little bit of a mulligan here, um and see
where it goes going forward. I mean, I'm I'm with you,
Doug's They've made mistakes. But I think somehow in this
discussion people who have lumped in the Philadelphia Eagles with
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you know, maybe like the Cleveland Browns pre this year,
like a team that had one anything in fifteen years.
Like they've had some success here, and they've had some
success with a lot of these same people. No, no,
no doubt about it. Doug Olive show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Um. I saw this, this quote from Tyreek Hill.
He was talking inside the NFL. But his first impressions
of Pat Mahomes quote, I thought he was trash. I
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adn't even got a catman when he first got here.
I was like, this is who y'all drafted. This is
who y'all drafted. The second year, like, his quarterback mechanics
were different. It was like he was spending more time
with his quarterback coach. Spending more time with coach read
like learning the offense. Dude was like different. Also also
just so you know, like has replaced you know as
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the most overused word in quotes. I make the same
mistake twice. That's my teenage daughter in me. Um. Okay,
So does does this help some of the discussion with
how could the Bears and how could the I know
that the Chargers liked him and they took Forest Lamp?
How could somebody? Does this pay a more accurate picture
of what he was actually like when he got to
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the league. I look, I wouldn't say trash, but my
notes on him when he was coming out, and obviously
I was way too low on him. But when you
watched him, it was screened and scrambles. It was not
a lot of functioning within a you know, traditional offense.
It was kind of helter skelter, borderline reckless. The way
he played wasn't you know, going to be comfortable under center,
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you know, footwork wise, had a lot of things to
clean up. But I kind of look at these his
situation with somebody like Aaron Rodgers, where I don't know
that I've seen guys, you know, they had tremendous talent
in college, tremendous talent, but the development that they made
in a in a you know, a short period of time.
Obviously Aaron had to sit for a couple of years,
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but to the point where Aaron completely changed his upper
angels delivery and you look at the homes, completely changed
his lower with his footwork. And I think they they
both landed in places with people that were exactly perfect
for them to be able to train them and get
them where they needed to go. So I've always you know,
like I'm not gonna be defensive of My grade of
Patrickhomes coming out in hindsight obviously was way too low.
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But he was the perfect piece of clay to go
to Andy Reid and to be able to sit for
a year and let Andy shape inform him and really
get the most out of what is a tremendous, tremendous
talent base. Doug Gotlis show here on Fox Sports, Trader
couldn't couldn't possibly agree with you more. Why did the
Niners own the Rams? Well, I mean you watch the tape.
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Richard Sherman is running the routes for them. He knows.
I mean, he's just there's a comfort level being inside
that division. The fields, they shrink the field. They're not
worried about the Rams, you know, attacking them vertically. You'll
see Richard Sherman when he's got no help over the top,
just completely stop and squat at eighteen twenty yards, peel
off his guy, go go close on balls in front,
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because he knows the ball is not ever going to
sail over his head. So it's a tremendous familiarity they
have with that system, and the Rams are going to
have to change that up a little bit. They're gonna
have to get a little bit more vertical or the
field is just going to completely shrink on them. Um
it does. It does feel a little bit like golf
has got that Drabinsky thing where whatever he reads pre staff,
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that's what he's going with and he doesn't kind of
adjust on the fly. Is that fair well? I think
I also would add to that just that I think
Sean McVeigh does a really good job with their boot
game to be able to get him out on the
on the outside and the perimeter. And it's just these
levels reads where you've got three levels, you've got over routes,
and and it's a very simple sight lines. It's clear,
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you've got no line in front of you. You're out
there and you've got you know, underneath, intermediate and down
the field. It's very simple. Except the problem is when
you play against the team like this with the forty nine,
Richard Sherman's on on the left side of the on
the defense and he's outside leverage with the receiver in
the slot. He crosses his face to beat him to
the over route. Because he's four steps ahead of him.
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He knew exactly what was coming. So they just took
all that stuff away, all those lay ups, And that's
what I've argued the difference, you know, golf and Wentz.
Wentz has been awful this year. He's really struggled. But man, golf,
you know, McVeigh does a nice job of baking in
eight to ten completions, you know, just bakes them in
and uh and they don't get that same luxury there
in Philadelphia. But when you are inside the division, and
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we saw in that game and I thought they took
away some of those easy layoups. Doug gotlib show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Have now Carlos Dunlap, We got
any news back on that, m R. I. I mean,
Dunlap obviously changes them some. Their defense seems a little
bit better. Have they improved their defense enough so that
they can now win in the postseason? I still have
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I still have concerns when they're gonna play teams that
can really push it down the field and attack them
with a competent passing game. But you know, look where
the as much of a mess is the Philadelphia Eagle
Eagles are right now, they weren't gonna get challenged in
that way. I haven't, you know, I have to pull
up the schedule, Doug. But if I remember correctly, I
don't think they have too much coming up on the
schedule either. So you could get loaded to a little
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false sense of security there with that Seattle secondary that
they're gonna be okay, they're really coming around. I don't know.
I have very very strong concerns when they get into
the postseason against a really competent passing attack, I still
have some worries there, all right, What about what about
the Packers? I mean, this is the thing with the NFC.
We have concerns about all these teams. We still don't
know about their defense against a real equality running game,
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but man, their offense seems so potent um. Where are
you on the Packers in comparison to uh too? You know,
we talked about the Rams some and obviously talking about
the Seahawks um in that NFC they all seem to
have a notable ward. Where are you on Green Bay?
I'm kind of changing my tune a little bit because
I've had major concerns with them just they find their
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way into these street fight games and they just always
end up on the wrong end of those. We saw
it again recently when when it got physical in the
second half against the Colts and they couldn't finish that one.
That said, when I when I look at the quarterback
and the level that he's playing at right now, I mean,
it's almost like when you're playing spades, like they've got
they've got the they've got the ace of spades there, man,
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Like that is a trump card. Um if he plays,
If Aaron Rodgers plays like he's been playing. Uh, we
saw in that Bears game has dialed in as he
wasn't that one. I'm not going to bet against them.
I think there he's capable of carrying that group. He's
playing as good as I've seen him playing the last
you know, eight to ten years. He's been phenomenal. Yeah,
he just some of the throws, the christness of his
throws and reads and comfort level is really remarkable, which
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just hard to tell. On the other side, he got
the Bears, I mean pretty obvious. Drabinsky is not going
to be there next year. Does Naggie take the fall
as well? Well, you know, look, they're gonna have to
figure things out. And normally, unfortunately what it happens is
you see new quarterback, new coach, those things they tend
to be tied together. I think a lot of people
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always talk about the head coach and the g M
being tied together, but if you looked at it historically,
I think actually it's more often that the quarterback and
the head coach are the ones who were really tied together.
So if it doesn't work out there, there's usually usually
a change. So, I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't handicap.
I mean, they've got a chance to see if they
can pick up some wins, but based off what we've
seen lately, I don't have a lot of confidence they're
gonna be able to win many football games coming down
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the stretch here, which you know, if you were guessing
what's they probably does lead to a change there. Um, okay,
I'm I'm watching Baltimore and obviously the behind the eight ball, right, No,
no Lamar, no Dobbins, no Ingram. They have some other
players are out. Let's let's let's give them a loss here.
Case they go to six and five, now, they'll probably
favorites the rest of the season. The one tough game
is is the Browns. Um we are do we have
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any concerns that they don't make the playoffs? I mean,
you've got concernsus because you don't all the COVID stuff
and just you can't guarantee anything, um in terms who's
gonna be playing and all apt you know, you look
at the schedules, pulled it up period. You know at
the Browns is not gonna be the night game too.
That's gonna be a difficult one for them. As bad
as the Jags are like they still have you know,
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they scare some teams and they've they've played some close games. Um,
so I think in all likely that they they I
think they'll lose the Browns. So I think they've got
another loss on their schedules that puts them at six
losses ten and six. Probably probably still get some minute
ten and six. I just don't think they're gonna be
very dangerous when they get there. The injury to Ronnie Stanley, um,
the retirement of Marshal Yanda, and the injury to Nick Boyle.
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Who's the best blocking Titan in the NFL? To me,
I just it's too much. Oh, by the way, you're
not allowed to say Nick Boile is the best block
tendant because you know, I made the mistake of saying
George Kittle I was saying, you know, like I was
on I was on the cow Herd last year and
we were talking about Gronk and how Gronk was, you know,
one of the he was basically the only past catching
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tight end that could actually block defensive ends, right, And
then we asked about Kittle and I was like, well,
he's not really a blocker, and I was trying to
it's it's like, you know, and and felt people have
expressed to me, which is the best blocking tight ends
in the league. You don't actually know their name because
they don't catch the football. Yeah, I would say I would.
I would come down in the middle of that. I'd say,
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I think Nick Boyle is the best blocking tight in
the NFL. So we agreed that it's not George, But
I do think George of the past catching, yeah, he's
about he's the best, the best blocker those guys that
catch the ball. Would you leave him man up on
a legit the end? Not not on a regular basis,
but I would trust him to find a way to
survive on occasion. Absolutely. Is he anywhere near the class
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of Gronk in his prime. He's just not as big
as He's just not as big as Gronk. But that
that's a factor though, Right, But I think you gotta
let that go, Doug. That's been a year, man, I
have let it go, but other people don't let it go. Like,
let's just tell people on Twitter, like, oh, you said
George kill is not a block I was like, no,
it's kind of taken out of context. For a pass catcher,
he's a very good blocker. But as a blocker, he's
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you know, he wouldn't be he's if it was just
for his blocking, you wouldn't leave h on the football field.
If because he's an unbelievable pass catcher. Now look now
he's dot Travis Kelsey who hasn't blocked anybody ever. Right,
I'm not saying he's that. I'm saying I'm saying I'm
actually with you on your assessment completely. Here we go,
there we we all. We all ended up in a
happy place. Daniel Jarra my DJ, great stuff, dude, thanks
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it and no uh. This was Calling Cowherd talking about
the green Bay Packers. This morning. They look stupid because
Jordan's Love is third string and Aaron is lighting it up.
But I know, I know, I know, I know Colin
Jordan's Love being drafted that has inspired Aaron Rodgers to
(36:04):
be this good, oh kid kick. If we stop what
Aaron was lazy last year, it Jordan's love showed up
and he worked hard at practice. Give me a break.
What does Green Bay need? The last thing they need
is a backup quarterback. They need to linebackers. They could
use another pass rusher. They didn't take a single wide
receiver in that draft, and Davante Adams cross your fingers
(36:26):
is amazing, top two or three receiver, but he does
get dinged up a lot. And this morning Green Bay
looks like they wasted a pick. It looks like they
wasted a pick. And I'm not gonna give Jordan's love
and the packers credit because they drafted a kid out
of Utah State and Aaron now is having a great year.
You want me to believe that Aaron kind of mailed
it in the last couple of years before Jordan's Love
(36:47):
or that he's watching Jordan Love at practice and whoa,
that is a threat. I have got to get my
act together. No, Aaron's great uh now? Would Obviously Jordan
Brooks was available there hat your queen was available again,
they would have had to move up to to to
get him there, to get those guys there. But we
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told you that Jordan's Love wasn't drafted to play right away.
He was drafted as an insurance policy, and not necessarily
for this year, but for really two years from now
because of what we've seen in New England and now
in Tampa. Right, Like, we didn't just see this scenario happened.
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Jimmy Garoppolo and Belichick knew that Tom Brady was starting
to fade talent wise, and Garoppolo was the heir apparent
and he was ready to move on and ownerships like
you can't move on, so they had to get rid
of Garoppolo. Whatever. But this is what smart teams do otherwise,
(37:50):
what what option are you left with? I guess next
year you could have done the same thing. Okay, because
done the same thing next year is fine. And were
their wide receivers available, Tee Higgins was available there right,
he was taken in the second round. Could add Tee Higgins,
he's having a very good year. Could add Chase Claypool.
He's tremendous, tremendous. But Jordan's love protects their most important asset,
(38:17):
or protects them from their most important asset. One if
he didn't and he wasn't always easy to work with,
let's not. Let's not. I mean Calard can't go from Hey,
he doesn't seem to like the new system too. Why
is everybody pointing out that kid he wasn't as good
last year as he could have been. Like, we're making
it impossible here, we're moving the goalpost. Secondly, he's gonna
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age three with the time is the meat of his
contract runs out, that's when Jordan's Love should be ready.
And if Jordan's love, if Aaron Rodgers is better than
everybody else in two years, they'll trade Jordan Love and
they'll get a first round pick for him. Because like
Pat Mahomes. He's coming to the league super raw, and
he's gonna have to have a ton of work, and
(38:59):
he didn't have it off season, and he will this year,
and it'll get better and by year three, you'll be
ready to go for the Packers or somebody else. If
you don't have a defined need, and they did in
the inside of their defense, no question. If you don't
have a defined need, protect yourself from age or attrition
(39:20):
at the most important spots, and they did so at quarterback.
By the way, we're being critical with the Green Bay Packers.
What's their record right now? What's what's the record right now?
I'm looking at the standings and I see them a
top the NFC North by three games. So last year
they were thirteen and three. This year they'll be twelve
(39:42):
and four, thirteen and three, And somehow we're sitting there
going like you dopes, you don't know what you're doing.
I mean, are they a perfect team? No? Could they
be better at stop in the run? Yes? And by
the way, r G three got hurt running out of bounds.
Look like a pulled hammy. I love to let's be
critical of the team that's winning their division and may well,
(40:02):
have a home field advantage throughout the playoffs and might
have their quarterback in the future. If not, that asset
is never depreciating, just not. Bucky Brooks joins us. Next
am I looking at the Packers thing all wrong and
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Tug got Leave Show? Fox Sports Radio. Man. I hope
you're great. I hope you are super super healthy, happy,
you're getting ready, you're doing your cyber shopping. Do you
do you know what you want for Christmas? Like that's
a that's a big thing. Do you know what you want?
(00:46):
Or Hanako or whatever? Ramos? I you know you're somebody
who you enjoy life and people enjoy being around you.
Is there one thing on earth that you truly do
actually want, like an actual item? I do want a
large screen television. You know what? Those are not ex expensive,
they're they're they're they're not and I'm we're actually in
(01:09):
the market for one as well. Um, by the way,
do they make small televisions anymore? That's one of the
things I remember you used to be like, oh, he's
got a big screen TV in your house? Like, dude,
everybody honestly, like we were shopping for a TV and
in the spot that I'm looking for, we need somewhere
between a forty we we don't we don't necessarily need
a fifty inch TV. And um, this this is the
(01:32):
your boy gott Labe knows way more about stuff that
I shouldn't know about. But that's kind of what I do,
is I get onto a topic and I really want
to know everything about it. So in case you've forgotten,
remember you measured diagonally for the that that doesn't mean
that's not the actual width of the TV. The width
is not as wide as it is diagonally. So if
you have a fifty in spot, that doesn't mean fifty
(01:53):
inches in width. That doesn't mean a fifty inch TV
fits in there. It's not measured that way. It's diagonally anyway.
They they don't really make TVs below fortes anymore and
most of them are fift year over. And oh yeah,
by the way, like you can get a high pretty
high quality smart TV new gen like fifty inch fifty
(02:19):
bucks or so, which is crazy crazy crazy. Um, okay,
so that's what you want music. What about you have
a new home, a new wife. Okay, Like this is
gusly not necessarily listening. She doesn't have to know there's
one thing you really really want? What would it be? Honestly, now,
(02:42):
as you said, with the new home, the number one
thing that I think we're gonna end up sort of
getting for each other is we're gonna pay to get
our patio finished because it's sort of like when we
bought the place, it's like a dirt lot, So we're
just trying to finish that up. Which which would be
the number one thing I would want to do right now? Okay,
(03:03):
that's that's super late, That's I understand. Listen, this is
really important, dude. This is like this is relationship kind
of one on one is have something to let her
get you. That's something I understand. But like as you said,
I know you have the budget is super tight, we know,
but it's not even that. Like I just like we
got married, we've gotten wedding gifts. Like I truly don't
(03:26):
need anything, or really we don't actually need it, but
like almost is like I would like a TV. Like
when we moved into the house, I bought a new TV.
When we moved into the house, we bought a sound
bar for the TV. We have a new couch, like
we got gifts for our wedding. Like I truly there
is no like item that I'm out there going, man,
I'd really like that. Yeah, I mean, you're all loaded
(03:47):
up on your thong underwear. I know that that was
a big You're like asking me for my Tommy John code,
and like, dude, Tommy John doesn't have thong underwear. I
don't know. Well, I was hoping they did. Buyer. Is
there one thing that would like Lisa or somebody close
to you to get to get for you one item? Jeez, Cameron, right, No,
absolutely absolutely I would love that because I actually am
(04:10):
in the business for a new putter. And the other
thing with COVID. You know where where I go, they
don't have the clubs out in the pro shop because
they don't want people lingering. So there's so yeah, nobody
lingers like golf golf shop people. Well, yeah, how many
guys you gotta grab the putter and then they'll do
their stroke without hitting a ball. Yeah this feels, this
feels good. Yeah, no, I got it? Like how it like, dude,
(04:32):
you can't put It doesn't really matter about the equipment,
not you personally, but the guy in the in the Yeah, no,
Scotty Cameron putter would be awesome. Although when when I
four putt with the Scottie Cameron, it looks a hundred
times worse. But no, that would be awesome. It looks
really good when you know what it does. It signifies
like once we get back to normalcy at a club
and the and the guy starts cleaning the clubs at
the end, you're like, Scottie Cameron, but this guy is
a real deal, right, just it does signify like this
(04:55):
guy's gotta know a little something about something or something
about something. Was suppos my clubs, which are like ping
I two's right, and they're an other G five's ping
G five's and they're a good decade old. They were customed.
But I'm I'm ready for a new ready for a
new set. I don't know if that's what I want.
I'm actually very simple. I'm in the market for a
(05:16):
really good sweatshirt, sweatpants, like high quality, high end type
of champion. You are high on champions, A champion. I
do have some champions stuff. Um, yeah, maybe a little
more lightweight. I'll I don't want to share all all
brand names, but that's kind of simple guys for simple stuff.
This is the Dug out Leave Show on Fox Sports Radio.
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is I want something that you are going to use.
You're gonna use and if it breaks, you're going to
be mad. It's one of the things we once I got.
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I've got my son a r C cart, you know,
and for like five five days it was awesome in
the street, and then we crashed it and we just
never got it fixed, and nobody actually knew we never
got it fixed. Like, well, that wasn't a good purchase.
Omaha steaks you're gonna get and you're like, that was
what are we going? The stakes? Scott Lievegutta Horse like
any of the special code. Oh it's really good. Make
(06:18):
sure I thank him next time I see him. Let's
get to this. Chris Sims was on our show yesterday.
And keep in mind that Chris Sims, a former quarterback,
obviously son of a Super Bowl champion quarterback, guy who
covers the league for NBC, used to work for the
doing Patriots. There is no malice in in what what
(06:39):
what he said? By the way, another fumble, uh, this
one on a punt return that the Ravens recover fourty
one to go. The Ravens fumbled, and then the steel
the Steelers they fumble on the first drive as well,
and they turned it over on downs or down, fourth down,
and then they scored a touchdown, missed the extra point
(06:59):
and now they have muffed a punt on a really
good hit. But it wasn't even that hard a hit.
That was just that was not good. Who's that returning
kicks for Pittsburgh? Come on, dude, you got a hold
on that ball. This is that is the job. There's
the job. Anyway, This is Chris Sim's yesterday on Tom Brady.
Tom Brady obviously good. I mean we know that, and
you can win a Super Bowl. Tom Brady top ten
(07:21):
quarterback is no longer a discussion. So everyone has to
stop that he's not capable of carrying the team. Hey,
they had four third and fives or less to start
the football game. He struggles when teams blitz him. He
doesn't want to get hit and he can't move. That's
from a guy who's a fan. That's from a guy
(07:42):
who's a quarterback. That's from a guy who respects him.
And this is kind of what we're This is the thing.
You look at his completion percentage since winning the m
v P in eighteenth and completion percentage ninth and QB
are fourteenth and yard pertempt at two thousand eighteen last
year twenty three yards pertemp. Nineteen in completion percentage this
(08:08):
year yards per attempt. Remember, all we talk about is
how much he throws the ball downfield. QBR complete twenty five.
There's nothing elite about Tom Brady at all outside of
his resume. And and this is not a small sample size.
It's not a bad year. That's not a bad skill
set of people. That's not we have old offense, new offense,
(08:31):
green offense, blue offense, good weapons, bad weapons. Do you
like green eggs and him? Of course I do. I'm sam,
I am right. These are the terrible numbers. Our expectations
of him are completely unrealistic because he walks in with
six Super Bowl rings, haven't appeared in nine Super Bowls.
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He's forty three years old. The regression is there. It
is not off a cliff as Max Kellerman thought it
would be five or six years ago. It has been
slow and it has been steady, and it has been
obvious to anybody who watches. Now. Look, this is what
Chris said. You can still win games with him. If anything,
(09:13):
you have to spend extra care on putting the type
of pieces around him that can support him that he
can win with. But I don't think it's blasphemy for
you to say, hey, look, this is a guy who
has aged. Father Time is in fact more undefeated than
(09:36):
the seventy two Dolphins. Father Time never loses. It may
take him awhile, may take me overtime, but never never loses.
And I don't think that's wrong to say. But it's
also these two things can both be true. It's like
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we said this about Carson Wentz yesterday. The Eagles organization
has done all of the wrong things after being successful,
resigned older players quarterback to a huge deal, rushed him
back to play, lost assistance, and didn't replace them appropriately.
With guys who could fit whatever they were doing to
coach their quarterback and coach their team up and all
(10:21):
of these things have gone wrong, and Carson Wentz is
playing poorly. But they can be mutually exclusive and happened
at the same time. The same is true for Tampa
Tampa Bay. Tom Brady can be getting older, cannot be
nearly the player who used to be, and Tampa can
be doing a terrible job of getting the most out
(10:43):
of him because there's still enough in him. This is
the This is the I love oranges. You guys like oranges.
What do you think about blood oranges? I walk by
in the in the eye and I see a blood orange.
I'm like, I have to get those. I don't know
if they taste actually differ and are special anyway, They're
just cool, you kind of open and they're red inside.
(11:03):
Like that is really cool. I know everything. I grew
up in the city of Orange and Orange, California, you know,
and then I played for Oakland State. My mom is
a Syricus love everything about the orange. I know oranges.
Told you, I know about TVs. I know about oranges
and tangerines and all the different varieties of naval orange.
(11:26):
But this is like if you get an orange and
it's already been scosen, squeezed, squeezed, right, There's still plenty
of good stuff in there. There's pulpe. I don't like pulpe.
There's pulp. You know, the white stuff supposedly has the
most vitamins. Did your mom tell you that? Is that
actually a scientific fact that the white part of the
(11:46):
inside of the orange has the most vitamins? I don't know.
There's still plenty of good juice in that orange, But
instead the Ravens are choosing to go like, I mean,
the Ravens, the the Buccaneers are choosing to go like, well,
it's not a full orange anymore. Why can't you squeeze
the juice just pops out? Well, because it's not still
(12:07):
a very good orange. Is still blood orange, still very tasty.
Let's get it. Let's get every bit of juice out
of it. And if so, you can still have a
little bit of orange juice to drink. Is there anything
better than a really good glass of pure orange juice? Right? Anything?
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You didn't have to like orange? You can? Oh, well,
that's actually the real thing. That's sounds crazy expensive. Tyreek
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had a lot of discussions with some my NFL friends
about Pat Mahomes, and actually three g ms I know
(14:19):
I've talked to and they all passed on Mahomes. And
obviously now they're all sitting there going like I probably
should have taken him. But they all had the same
scattered report on Pat Mahomes, who could very well be
the best quarterback in the NFL right now. And I
know you're you're probably thinking yourself, well, hold on, DG.
(14:40):
He won Super Bowl, he won the m v P
and I'm watching Pittsburgh play. Pittsburgh is gonna be an
underdog in the in the a f C champions they're
gonna be undefeated seventeen and oh and there'll be an
underdog to the Kancity Chiefs. And a big reason why
is gonna be Pat Mahomes. Right, Like we all kind
of agree with that, like he's he's a cheap code, okay,
(15:02):
and the numbers, but the point is that Pat Mahomes,
who's he's second and passer rating. He leads a league
with three thousand, four nine seven yards passing. He's got
five games left. He's got five games left. You do
the math, right, say it's three d clip right at
(15:25):
about and he goes roughly over three hundred clip. All right,
that's a dude that will be at what five thousand
yards passing? Just ridiculous. Yeah, Robins go ahead. So the
difference then between Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Kyler Murray,
(15:47):
all of these kind of well, I guess Holmes is
kind of a running he's more of a passing, but
he still can run. He's very fast, is the arm, right,
That's what that's a difference between Mahomes and the rest
of those guys. Is that correct? Is that what we know?
It's not. There's more than that. Okay, yes, and no,
I wouldn't put him nearly. He's not slow, but he's
not fast. He's athletic within the pocket, right, he's I
(16:09):
would guess in a foot race. I don't think he's
faster than Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers peak maybe now
Aaron Rodgers. Well, what the first thing I would say
is to anybody says's unequivocally the best quarterback in the league, Like,
I don't know, you put Aaron Rodgers in that offense,
I think they're pretty good as well. And within Aaron
Rodgers offense, he's been basically the statistical statistically, he's there
(16:29):
there even you know that's That's really kind of what
it comes down to anyway. Um, that it's not the arm.
Lamar Jackson is a good arm. Lamar Jackson isn't accurate
at nearly the level of Pat Mahomes. He doesn't have
doesn't seem to have the ability to throw from different
arm angles. Um, there are places in the football field
(16:50):
which are kind of dead zones to him throwing the
football where there are no dead zones. There's not a
throw that he can't make. It's one of the things
that goes underrated about Joe Flacco, right, And I know
you're like, wait, why are you talking about je Flacken.
We talk about Lamar because Joe Flacco had some flaws,
but he had a plus plus arm. They're just deep
(17:11):
outs are deep outs of the stuff that only the
real elite guys can can make with arms. And he's
got that kind of arm talent. Blacko had that as well.
I didn't have all the other stuff obviously, but it's
the creativity, the ability to read a defense, to move
within the pocket, to deliver the ball accurately and on
time with the great velocity. All of those things. All
(17:32):
of those things are what makes him him. But this
is Tyreek hill On inside the NFL talking about the
first impression he had a Pat Mahomes when he's drafted. Quote,
I thought he was trash. I ain't even gonna cat man.
When he first got here, I was like, this is
who y'all drafted right here, this is who y'all drafted.
The second year, like his quarterback mechanics were different. It
(17:53):
was like he was spending more time with his quarterback coach,
spending more time with coach Reid, like learning the offense,
dude was different. We are all commenting on Pat Mahomes.
How could you possibly miss on Pat Mahomes and or
nine guys taken ahead of him. But he got the
benefit of coming in and Alex Smith was playing, starting
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and playing well, so he got to learn, and he
learned from a guy who's a true pro, and Andy
Reid is a true pro. But also they had a
quarterback coach around him who worked with him. The the
the m O on Pat Mahomes was, yeah, he had
bad mechanics, you know, a little bit flaky, took a
lot of chances. You know, his team is his his teammate,
(18:39):
his favorite targets. Like, yeah, it was like he's spending
more time with his quarterback coach. He just looked like
a raw product. And that's not lost on evaluators. You
gotta evaluate, all right, might have to play this guy
right away. Now that the Trabinsky thing does make you
scratch your head. Because they looked at de Sean and
they passed unto Seawan on. They looked at my Homes
(19:01):
and they passed him my homes And as much as
Rabinsky they may have thought was ready to play, the
fact is, I think you only played fourteen games in college,
was very inexperienced. The Rabinsky thing was more about leadership qualities.
Like Mitch Drabinsky is gonna whenever his NFL career comes
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to it, and it maybe sooner rather than later, he
will leave with a ton of people who really like him.
They may not respect him as a quarterback or think
he's very good at quarterback, but they really like him.
And they were trying to figure out, all right, we
got to bring in a dude that everybody likes because
everybody hates j Color. But two people who are gonna
go back and say, this guy missed on him, this
guy missed on him, and how could you do this
that could? Honestly, the team that I think should have
(19:45):
taken him was the Chargers. Right, they took forest Lamp
instead because they wanted to protect Philip Rivers, But they
would have had Philip Rivers for him to learn behind,
and then in a year or two years would have
had to make the decision do we which they ultimately
did to let Philip Rivers go. Should be pointed out,
(20:10):
should we point out that I think the Chargers won
twelve games that next year? Anyway, So you know, Tyreek
Hill telling you that the guy wasn't ready tells you
all you need to know about all these teams that
quote unquote missed. It wasn't just that he had all
(20:30):
these skill position players around him. They had the perfect
environment for him to be a great player. And part
of that was sitting. Part of that was working. And look,
some of that is also part of what makes it
special to see uh Pat Mahomes have success. It's a
lot of his hard work and cleaning up his mechanics.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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(20:53):
Doug Otlip Show, Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay, let's let's
get to Janel Jeremiah moved this you mean Move the
Sticks is the podcast and he covers the entire National
Football League. Let me play play something for you. This
is Chris sims on Tom Brady yesterday on My show.
Tom Brady obviously good. I mean we know that, and
(21:15):
you can win a Super Bowl. Tom Brady Top ten
quarterback is no longer a discussion, so everyone has to
stop that he's not capable of carrying the team. Hey,
they had four third and fives or less to start
the football game. He struggles when teams blitz him. He
doesn't want to get hit and he can't move d
(21:35):
What do you think, Well, I think that's fair. I
definitely agree with him on the fact that he's not,
you know, not the top five team as a quarterback
in the league right now. Um, but you know, I
don't think that it necessarily marries up well with with
what they're having them do there either. So to me,
there's not a lot of quick options, not a lot
of quick winners, and he's been he's a guy who's
(21:57):
lived off quick winners the last five seven years. Doug
Otlip show here on Fox Sports Tradeo. How do you
fix it? Well, you gotta start doing what he does.
I mean that to me is is as part of
the issue there. And I also think they need to
commit to the run game. That's I feel like we
said this all the time and you look at his
uh the end of the year performances down in New
(22:19):
England or up in New England, I should say, over
the last few years, they've realized that, hey, he can't.
We can't put this on him. He wears down as
the season goes along, he misses his throws, We're gonna
have to run the football. And that's what they did.
They just were physical with people and then everything off
that was was play action, but not enough deep shot
play action. More just you know, quick rhythm play action
(22:39):
balls out and um and protect him that way. But
they just don't. They just don't like to run the ball. Man,
It's not in their DNA. Yeah, I know it's not.
It does seem like, it seems like a seems like
a bad fit. That just it does. Um, if you
were the Eagles, what would you do. Well, you've gotta
have to give You gotta give Carson another shot here
going to the offseason, and that's got to be You're
(23:02):
gonna have to pair everything down when in terms of
all the voices of that around him, we're gonna have
to bring an entirely new voice. But that's got to change.
The the approach has to change. And you know, look,
I don't think you just throw him aside. I think
some people have acted like he just as you know,
he had maybe five good games in his career. This
guy's been pretty darn good and pretty consistent throughout his
(23:23):
career until this year. He just fell off a cliff.
So I'm not I'm not going to completely give up
on him. It looks awful right now. I'm not going
to defend him. He's played terrible. A lot of excuses
you could make, but to me, it's just let's just
get to the offseason streamline who's in his ear and
and run one offense and trying to instead of trying
to run a collection of five Doug Gottlib Show here
(23:44):
on Fox Sports Radio. What about the organization though, it
feels like they've made every mistake you can possibly make
after winning a Super Bowl, right, like resigning your guys
when they get old, and then they get old, they
get hurt. You know, they're obviously locked into a massive
deal that's kind of back it against the cap with him.
That they haven't and this is a big one. They
haven't replaced the coaches that have left with with enough
(24:08):
coach that seemed to be connecting with with Carson, and
then they've been caught with some bad luck as well.
Like it does feel like organizationally, they've made a lot
of errors. Yeah, I mean, I agree, and I've called
out some of them at the time, you know, when
you look at some of the draft decisions that were made.
That being said, I just feel like sometimes it gets
lost in the in the discussion here. This team, you know,
(24:29):
you mentioned coming off of the Super Bowl, they want
a super Bowl three years ago, been in the playoffs
three straight years. They're having a clunker. They're having an
absolute clunker of the season in a weird year, in
a pandemic year where they've lost three starters on the
offensive line at times, you know, down more than that,
including the you know, arguably you know, first or second
best guard in the National Football League. You're left tackle
(24:50):
and uh and you also had the arguably the top
two or three right tackle in the NFL. So look
that being said, I'm almost like, hey, pair things down
a little bit of a mulligan here, um and see
where it goes going forward. I mean, I'm I'm with you,
Doug's They've made mistakes. But I think somehow in this
discussion people who have lumped in the Philadelphia Eagles with
(25:11):
you know, maybe like the Cleveland Browns pre this year,
like a team that had one anything in fifteen years.
Like they've had some success here, and they've had some
success with a lot of these same people. No, no,
no doubt about it. Doug Olive show here on Fox
Sports Radio. Um. I saw this, this quote from Tyreek Hill.
He was talking inside the NFL. But his first impressions
of Pat Mahomes quote, I thought he was trash. I
(25:33):
adn't even got a catman when he first got here.
I was like, this is who y'all drafted. This is
who y'all drafted. The second year, like, his quarterback mechanics
were different. It was like he was spending more time
with his quarterback coach. Spending more time with coach read
like learning the offense. Dude was like different. Also also
just so you know, like has replaced you know as
(25:53):
the most overused word in quotes. I make the same
mistake twice. That's my teenage daughter in me. Um. Okay,
So does does this help some of the discussion with
how could the Bears and how could the I know
that the Chargers liked him and they took Forest Lamp?
How could somebody? Does this pay a more accurate picture
of what he was actually like when he got to
(26:14):
the league. I look, I wouldn't say trash, but my
notes on him when he was coming out, and obviously
I was way too low on him. But when you
watched him, it was screened and scrambles. It was not
a lot of functioning within a you know, traditional offense.
It was kind of helter skelter, borderline reckless. The way
he played wasn't you know, going to be comfortable under center,
(26:36):
you know, footwork wise, had a lot of things to
clean up. But I kind of look at these his
situation with somebody like Aaron Rodgers, where I don't know
that I've seen guys, you know, they had tremendous talent
in college, tremendous talent, but the development that they made
in a in a you know, a short period of time.
Obviously Aaron had to sit for a couple of years,
(26:56):
but to the point where Aaron completely changed his upper
angels delivery and you look at the homes, completely changed
his lower with his footwork. And I think they they
both landed in places with people that were exactly perfect
for them to be able to train them and get
them where they needed to go. So I've always you know,
like I'm not gonna be defensive of My grade of
Patrickhomes coming out in hindsight obviously was way too low.
(27:18):
But he was the perfect piece of clay to go
to Andy Reid and to be able to sit for
a year and let Andy shape inform him and really
get the most out of what is a tremendous, tremendous
talent base. Doug Gotlis show here on Fox Sports, Trader
couldn't couldn't possibly agree with you more. Why did the
Niners own the Rams? Well, I mean you watch the tape.
(27:39):
Richard Sherman is running the routes for them. He knows.
I mean, he's just there's a comfort level being inside
that division. The fields, they shrink the field. They're not
worried about the Rams, you know, attacking them vertically. You'll
see Richard Sherman when he's got no help over the top,
just completely stop and squat at eighteen twenty yards, peel
off his guy, go go close on balls in front,
(27:59):
because he knows the ball is not ever going to
sail over his head. So it's a tremendous familiarity they
have with that system, and the Rams are going to
have to change that up a little bit. They're gonna
have to get a little bit more vertical or the
field is just going to completely shrink on them. Um
it does. It does feel a little bit like golf
has got that Drabinsky thing where whatever he reads pre staff,
(28:20):
that's what he's going with and he doesn't kind of
adjust on the fly. Is that fair well? I think
I also would add to that just that I think
Sean McVeigh does a really good job with their boot
game to be able to get him out on the
on the outside and the perimeter. And it's just these
levels reads where you've got three levels, you've got over routes,
and and it's a very simple sight lines. It's clear,
(28:40):
you've got no line in front of you. You're out
there and you've got you know, underneath, intermediate and down
the field. It's very simple. Except the problem is when
you play against the team like this with the forty nine,
Richard Sherman's on on the left side of the on
the defense and he's outside leverage with the receiver in
the slot. He crosses his face to beat him to
the over route. Because he's four steps ahead of him.
(29:02):
He knew exactly what was coming. So they just took
all that stuff away, all those lay ups, And that's
what I've argued the difference, you know, golf and Wentz.
Wentz has been awful this year. He's really struggled. But man, golf,
you know, McVeigh does a nice job of baking in
eight to ten completions, you know, just bakes them in
and uh and they don't get that same luxury there
in Philadelphia. But when you are inside the division, and
(29:24):
we saw in that game and I thought they took
away some of those easy layoups. Doug gotlib show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Have now Carlos Dunlap, We got
any news back on that, m R. I. I mean,
Dunlap obviously changes them some. Their defense seems a little
bit better. Have they improved their defense enough so that
they can now win in the postseason? I still have
(29:46):
I still have concerns when they're gonna play teams that
can really push it down the field and attack them
with a competent passing game. But you know, look where
the as much of a mess is the Philadelphia Eagle
Eagles are right now, they weren't gonna get challenged in
that way. I haven't, you know, I have to pull
up the schedule, Doug. But if I remember correctly, I
don't think they have too much coming up on the
schedule either. So you could get loaded to a little
(30:08):
false sense of security there with that Seattle secondary that
they're gonna be okay, they're really coming around. I don't know.
I have very very strong concerns when they get into
the postseason against a really competent passing attack, I still
have some worries there, all right, What about what about
the Packers? I mean, this is the thing with the NFC.
We have concerns about all these teams. We still don't
know about their defense against a real equality running game,
(30:31):
but man, their offense seems so potent um. Where are
you on the Packers in comparison to uh too? You know,
we talked about the Rams some and obviously talking about
the Seahawks um in that NFC they all seem to
have a notable ward. Where are you on Green Bay?
I'm kind of changing my tune a little bit because
I've had major concerns with them just they find their
(30:53):
way into these street fight games and they just always
end up on the wrong end of those. We saw
it again recently when when it got physical in the
second half against the Colts and they couldn't finish that one.
That said, when I when I look at the quarterback
and the level that he's playing at right now, I mean,
it's almost like when you're playing spades, like they've got
they've got the they've got the ace of spades there, man,
(31:14):
Like that is a trump card. Um if he plays,
If Aaron Rodgers plays like he's been playing. Uh, we
saw in that Bears game has dialed in as he
wasn't that one. I'm not going to bet against them.
I think there he's capable of carrying that group. He's
playing as good as I've seen him playing the last
you know, eight to ten years. He's been phenomenal. Yeah,
he just some of the throws, the christness of his
throws and reads and comfort level is really remarkable, which
(31:38):
just hard to tell. On the other side, he got
the Bears, I mean pretty obvious. Drabinsky is not going
to be there next year. Does Naggie take the fall
as well? Well, you know, look, they're gonna have to
figure things out. And normally, unfortunately what it happens is
you see new quarterback, new coach, those things they tend
to be tied together. I think a lot of people
(31:59):
always talk about the head coach and the g M
being tied together, but if you looked at it historically,
I think actually it's more often that the quarterback and
the head coach are the ones who were really tied together.
So if it doesn't work out there, there's usually usually
a change. So, I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't handicap.
I mean, they've got a chance to see if they
can pick up some wins, but based off what we've
seen lately, I don't have a lot of confidence they're
gonna be able to win many football games coming down
(32:20):
the stretch here, which you know, if you were guessing
what's they probably does lead to a change there. Um, okay,
I'm I'm watching Baltimore and obviously the behind the eight ball, right, No,
no Lamar, no Dobbins, no Ingram. They have some other
players are out. Let's let's let's give them a loss here.
Case they go to six and five, now, they'll probably
favorites the rest of the season. The one tough game
is is the Browns. Um we are do we have
(32:45):
any concerns that they don't make the playoffs? I mean,
you've got concernsus because you don't all the COVID stuff
and just you can't guarantee anything, um in terms who's
gonna be playing and all apt you know, you look
at the schedules, pulled it up period. You know at
the Browns is not gonna be the night game too.
That's gonna be a difficult one for them. As bad
as the Jags are like they still have you know,
(33:06):
they scare some teams and they've they've played some close games. Um,
so I think in all likely that they they I
think they'll lose the Browns. So I think they've got
another loss on their schedules that puts them at six
losses ten and six. Probably probably still get some minute
ten and six. I just don't think they're gonna be
very dangerous when they get there. The injury to Ronnie Stanley, um,
the retirement of Marshal Yanda, and the injury to Nick Boyle.
(33:28):
Who's the best blocking Titan in the NFL? To me,
I just it's too much. Oh, by the way, you're
not allowed to say Nick Boile is the best block
tendant because you know, I made the mistake of saying
George Kittle I was saying, you know, like I was
on I was on the cow Herd last year and
we were talking about Gronk and how Gronk was, you know,
one of the he was basically the only past catching
(33:50):
tight end that could actually block defensive ends, right, And
then we asked about Kittle and I was like, well,
he's not really a blocker, and I was trying to
it's it's like, you know, and and felt people have
expressed to me, which is the best blocking tight ends
in the league. You don't actually know their name because
they don't catch the football. Yeah, I would say I would.
I would come down in the middle of that. I'd say,
(34:11):
I think Nick Boyle is the best blocking tight in
the NFL. So we agreed that it's not George, But
I do think George of the past catching, yeah, he's
about he's the best, the best blocker those guys that
catch the ball. Would you leave him man up on
a legit the end? Not not on a regular basis,
but I would trust him to find a way to
survive on occasion. Absolutely. Is he anywhere near the class
(34:34):
of Gronk in his prime. He's just not as big
as He's just not as big as Gronk. But that
that's a factor though, Right, But I think you gotta
let that go, Doug. That's been a year, man, I
have let it go, but other people don't let it go. Like,
let's just tell people on Twitter, like, oh, you said
George kill is not a block I was like, no,
it's kind of taken out of context. For a pass catcher,
he's a very good blocker. But as a blocker, he's
(34:55):
you know, he wouldn't be he's if it was just
for his blocking, you wouldn't leave h on the football field.
If because he's an unbelievable pass catcher. Now look now
he's dot Travis Kelsey who hasn't blocked anybody ever. Right,
I'm not saying he's that. I'm saying I'm saying I'm
actually with you on your assessment completely. Here we go,
there we we all. We all ended up in a
happy place. Daniel Jarra my DJ, great stuff, dude, thanks
(35:16):
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it and no uh. This was Calling Cowherd talking about
the green Bay Packers. This morning. They look stupid because
Jordan's Love is third string and Aaron is lighting it up.
But I know, I know, I know, I know Colin
Jordan's Love being drafted that has inspired Aaron Rodgers to
(36:04):
be this good, oh kid kick. If we stop what
Aaron was lazy last year, it Jordan's love showed up
and he worked hard at practice. Give me a break.
What does Green Bay need? The last thing they need
is a backup quarterback. They need to linebackers. They could
use another pass rusher. They didn't take a single wide
receiver in that draft, and Davante Adams cross your fingers
(36:26):
is amazing, top two or three receiver, but he does
get dinged up a lot. And this morning Green Bay
looks like they wasted a pick. It looks like they
wasted a pick. And I'm not gonna give Jordan's love
and the packers credit because they drafted a kid out
of Utah State and Aaron now is having a great year.
You want me to believe that Aaron kind of mailed
it in the last couple of years before Jordan's Love
(36:47):
or that he's watching Jordan Love at practice and whoa,
that is a threat. I have got to get my
act together. No, Aaron's great uh now? Would Obviously Jordan
Brooks was available there hat your queen was available again,
they would have had to move up to to to
get him there, to get those guys there. But we
(37:07):
told you that Jordan's Love wasn't drafted to play right away.
He was drafted as an insurance policy, and not necessarily
for this year, but for really two years from now
because of what we've seen in New England and now
in Tampa. Right, Like, we didn't just see this scenario happened.
(37:29):
Jimmy Garoppolo and Belichick knew that Tom Brady was starting
to fade talent wise, and Garoppolo was the heir apparent
and he was ready to move on and ownerships like
you can't move on, so they had to get rid
of Garoppolo. Whatever. But this is what smart teams do otherwise,
(37:50):
what what option are you left with? I guess next
year you could have done the same thing. Okay, because
done the same thing next year is fine. And were
their wide receivers available, Tee Higgins was available there right,
he was taken in the second round. Could add Tee Higgins,
he's having a very good year. Could add Chase Claypool.
He's tremendous, tremendous. But Jordan's love protects their most important asset,
(38:17):
or protects them from their most important asset. One if
he didn't and he wasn't always easy to work with,
let's not. Let's not. I mean Calard can't go from Hey,
he doesn't seem to like the new system too. Why
is everybody pointing out that kid he wasn't as good
last year as he could have been. Like, we're making
it impossible here, we're moving the goalpost. Secondly, he's gonna
(38:38):
age three with the time is the meat of his
contract runs out, that's when Jordan's Love should be ready.
And if Jordan's love, if Aaron Rodgers is better than
everybody else in two years, they'll trade Jordan Love and
they'll get a first round pick for him. Because like
Pat Mahomes. He's coming to the league super raw, and
he's gonna have to have a ton of work, and
(38:59):
he didn't have it off season, and he will this year,
and it'll get better and by year three, you'll be
ready to go for the Packers or somebody else. If
you don't have a defined need, and they did in
the inside of their defense, no question. If you don't
have a defined need, protect yourself from age or attrition
(39:20):
at the most important spots, and they did so at quarterback.
By the way, we're being critical with the Green Bay Packers.
What's their record right now? What's what's the record right now?
I'm looking at the standings and I see them a
top the NFC North by three games. So last year
they were thirteen and three. This year they'll be twelve
(39:42):
and four, thirteen and three, And somehow we're sitting there
going like you dopes, you don't know what you're doing.
I mean, are they a perfect team? No? Could they
be better at stop in the run? Yes? And by
the way, r G three got hurt running out of bounds.
Look like a pulled hammy. I love to let's be
critical of the team that's winning their division and may well,
(40:02):
have a home field advantage throughout the playoffs and might
have their quarterback in the future. If not, that asset
is never depreciating, just not. Bucky Brooks joins us. Next
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