March 15, 2021 • 42 mins
Doug Gottlieb takes a victory lap after New England goes on a spending spree in free agency. He discusses Drew Brees retirement and marvels at what a difference a year makes for the longtime Saints QB. He says the Green Bay Packers understand what it takes to win and talks about the best coaching job available in college basketball. Plus, he previews the NCAA Tournament with friend of the show, Aaron Torres!
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I don't hate to say I told you so. I
don't you guys know that. I don't hate it. I
love it. I love it raw sewage. I love it.
But I did tell you so on exactly what the
Patriots are doing. It's really really interesting, and you're like, oh, godly,
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so what did we what did we say about the
Patriots last week? And like, why are you talking about hoops? Well?
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I struggle with this one because you don't want to
be so close to the four. You don't see the
trees right like I thought, I think bracket? Who I
th I think hoops is awesome. I have no no
doubt that you guys all want my advice. You want
to bet on it, you want to you want to
win your bracket, you want to win your pool. But
I'm also reasonable where college basketball isn't in the landscape
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anywhere near the NFL. And you know, none of this,
none of this rises to the level of j Lo
and A Rod breaking up, like let's really, let's really
dive deep in there. But but I mean it with
the Patriots, I'm I I think on many hands, we
dismiss smart organizations for smart decisions, and then we we
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we like contradict ourselves and go like, well, you know,
they never spend any money previously, Like that's not actually true.
Like when I see that Jonah Smith who just signed
with them, a star tight end, the most most they've
ever spent on a wide receiving corps. Like look, they
want for eighteen straight years, basically, like why are we taking?
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Why are we finding? And we're like, well, you know,
had they they couldn't the physically couldn't spent the money previously.
You know, two years ago when they needed wide receiver,
they went and got Mohammed Sanu. They thought Mohamed Sanu
was better than Emmanuel Sanders, and they were wrong. Mohamed
Sanu was washed up. The Falcons got over on him.
That's what happened. That's what happened. They've tried to draft
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a wide receiver in the first round. How did that
work out? He was better last year. He may end
up becoming a really good player, but he's not there
yet it's hard to tell because he had a quarterback
that was throwing groundballs. But they have put together great
teams and it's very interesting to see what they're doing
and how they're spending their money, since they had the
third most cap space, and this was coming off a
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year in which they were in cap hell Brady leaving
and then Gronk and that that had dead cap money
and then ultimately Gronk freed up some cap money. They
didn't spend on quarterback. They haven't spent on quarterback yet.
They're trying to build a great football team. If you're
not all in on the Patriots, that's okay. They're gonna
show up and you're gonna go, like, man, there are
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a lot better than I thought they'd be. Yeah, Matt
Judon they got, uh Devon God Show they got and
now Jonas Smith and and while it's not huge money
in the comparison to Dak Prescott money, the twelve point
five million dollars for a tight end is big money
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and it's also a signal of what they're gonna try
and do there. It feels very much like the Patriots
have looked around the league and said what is successful
with everybody else. Well, you have quarterbacks on a rookie contract.
Well they don't have that yet, but they basically have
that with Cam Newton and the money they're currently spending,
and then whoever they likely draft to be the heir apparent.
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They also want mobile quarterbacks. Why because they know that's
the trend in the league. And the reason that young
quarterbacks are in vogue is not just because they're good.
It's because they're cheap and allows you to build a
counted roster around them. And then ultimately, when you have
to pay that young quarterback, if he's the right guy,
you give him a long term, big money, backloaded deal
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and you continue to load up those pieces on draft picks.
That's how you build a quality team. That's what the
Patriots are doing. By the way, Jaden Mills defensive back
to the Patriots four years, four million dollars, nine million guaranteed.
I called this last week. They're the best in the
league at identifying talent in the league. They're not great
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at identifying talent in terms of the draft. It's in
the league. They're like, I like that one, I don't
like that one. I like that one. And now they
have some money to spend. So I look at this
thing very very differently than many people. You know, you'll
get well, they finally spent money on it. They spent
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mone on Aaron Hernandez, they spent money on Rob Gronkowski.
They spent money on good players. When they had Randy Moss,
he was the highest paid due in the league at
his position. Some of it comes down to opportunities. Can
they get the right guy at the right place for
you know, I have no doubt in my mind. What's
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soever that the Patriots will build like quality roster? Will
it be good enough? Will they be good enough the
quarterback position? The answer is I don't know, and neither
do you. But if we had the last twenty years
as a guide, look at how many games they won
this year with arguably the worst talent in the league
or second or third worst talent and a quarterback who
threw more interceptions than touchdowns and struggled to get to
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a hundred yards passing. They're incredibly well coached. They're unbelievably
good to understand the waiver wire and and what what
the league's personnel dictates? The Patriots are doing exactly what
I told you they would do, and they will be
right back close to where they were previously. Again, quarterback
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position very much depended upon their future on the offensive
side of the ball. Last year they had no money,
they took it on the chin, did the best they could.
This year, they have some money, and they're gonna continue
to spread around with the exception the quarterback position and
try to figure that thing out as they go and
spend as little money as possible. It's a smart plan.
It's a twenty one century plan. It's a plan that's
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worked elsewhere. And then you have the execution of a
front office that has been pretty good and identifying in
league talent. The Patriots are exactly who we thought they were.
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or wherever you get your podcasts. Um Drew Brees announced
his retirement yesterday yesterday, and it wasn't a surprise. There
was some there's some breadcrumbs on the trail that led
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some to believe some that um that he might have
wanted to come back. Nonetheless, on Instagram, he had his kids.
It was really sweet, it was awesome. It was uh.
And it was also the fifteenth anniversary when he signed
with the New Orleans Saints and he remains, for his words,
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committed to the city of New Orleans. Right, But what's
interesting is like, we're not even a year removed from
the whole flag thing, and I was, if you guys,
remember I guest hosted for Colin the day after that,
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and remember he faced intense criticism saying we will never
they He'll never agree that anybody disrespecting the flag of
the United States or our country. So um, remember Malcolm
Jenkins and Michael Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders all took shots
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at him. On social media. This is his own teammate. Teammates,
they were taking shot at their teammate. So we're not
even a year out from that. So there's a lesson there.
I mean, the lesson there is, like, hey, first of all,
most people I know think Drew Brees pretty good dude.
So he had a lot of equity to cash in,
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and he cashed it all in at that point, and
he said and done some things since which have been
I think reasonable responses in terms of understanding. If you
read what he said, I don't think anyone could really
find fault with it, because what he was talking about
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was his own personal thoughts when he hears the Star
Spangled banner played. Who can argue with that? Right? You're
you're absolutely positively allowed to have your own personal thoughts, right,
But in addition to your own personal thoughts, you also
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have to understand the context of the time, and the
context of the time was a good portion of his
locker room saying like at anyone it's about for me,
and the tone and the wording, the semantics of it.
I will never I will never, you know, agree with
anybody that that's that's I don't want to listen and
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it was during a time time, and so we're still
in that time where people who are protesting simply want
to be heard, Right, that's really what it's about. Your
spouse wants to be heard, your your your kids want
to be heard, friends want to be heard, and people
right now in society want to be heard. Now, I
do think that there's a group of people that say, hey,
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we want to be heard, but we actually don't want
to listen ourselves. That's not good. And had he worded
a little bit differently and said, look, this is what
I think I understand, other people see it differently, Like
that's a completely different way, because I actually think that
what he's saying does resonate with a good portion of people,
and the bridge he could have built would be different
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if the wording was different. But it's fascinating to me,
absolutely fascinating me that we're not even a year removed
and it wasn't like he had a great year and
people are completely forgotten about them, Like that's just part
of it is. He's a guy that we've always liked
and there's the great comeback story and he proved so
many skeptics wrong because he didn't have great size. It
wasn't like it's a great athlete, and yet he was
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a great quarterback. But this is the lesson if you're
going to if you're going to do something dumb, have
more of your career to be played that way and
have a lot of positive equity you can cash in.
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Jones led the league with nineteen total touchdowns despite finishing
fifteen and rushing attempts. Last year, he posted a career
high eleven under rushing yards and saw even fewer carries
than the year before. They draft DJ Dillon. A J.
Dillon looks to be a formidable running back. They had
Jamal Williams, who is now since Aaron Jones signed his contract,
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announced them out produces, you know, And it's interesting that
you have the rest of the league, or at least
you have people in my seat telling you what the
what the Packers do and don't you right? And I'm
sitting there going, yeah, um, I don't see it. Don't
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see it at all. No, not that I don't see
them them doing it, right, I actually do. I look
and I think, okay, wait a second, You've been to
two straight NFC Championship games. You have your quarterback under contract,
you pretend you have your quarterback of the future under
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a very reasonable contract. You gotta figure out your offensive
line moving forward, because yet you have some losses and
then David Box he already got hurt at the end
of the year. You had to figure out the Aaron
Jones thing. You gotta get more cornerbacks because your nickel
corner got totally exposed in that NFC Championship game. But
the best thing to do is draft well and then
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keep your guys. And I think this is a big one.
It's not just it's not just to um um to
say they got Aaron Jones. They got Aaron Jones. One
was reaped by Drew Rosenhouse. And you only hired Drew
Rosenhouse when you're going for the kill to get the
most money possible. It was initially reported four years, forty
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eight million, Okay, but that comes from Drew um Sources
say that to Michael Lombardo, say that the deal is
really worth nine point five million per year or thirty
eight million total prior to incentives. So what's likely to
have happened was he got a big signing bonus early,
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and then they will use that so that when you
have a signing bonus, not a roster bonus, it doesn't
count against your cap a bunch this year, it will
count more in years to come when the Caps expect
to go up. Additionally, they kept him below the ten
million dollar year threshold, which remember running backs that have
gotten a twelve Zeke Elliott with the twelves and the
third team like, those aren't good deals. So this is
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a slight overpay in considering to where you'd like to be,
but a lot less than what the top of the
market is. And oh yeah, by the way, to anyone
who thinks they're not supporting Aaron Rodgers, that's exactly what
they're doing. Exactly what they're doing. So they're building the
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best team possible. And I don't really understand two years
ago blown out in the NFC Championship Game. Last year,
you know, they got up to a poor start and
still had a chance to win the NFC Championship Game.
And they're not just running it back. They're gonna run
back and run it back and add and build for
the now and the future. This is these are good deals.
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You know there's good deals. So what happens is the
narrative becomes, oh, wow, you know, we can't we can't
possibly couldn't possibly signed a running back to a long
term deal because we don't spend money. That's not the case.
They spent money on David box cr right before he
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got hurt. They spent money on Aaron Rodgers, spent money
on Aaron Jones. They spent money on the Smith Boys
in terms of fixing their defense a couple of years ago.
Like they have spent money, They've tried to spend smartly.
These throw money at a problem and go get the
highest pet price free agent and make some sort of
killer deal and killer move, like let's let's just take
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the DeAndre Hopkins deal, which is like, well, all we
would have to give up as a third or second
round pick for DeAndre Hopkins, Like that sounds good, but
then you got to sign them to a long term deal,
which would make it prohibitively more difficult to sign everybody else.
Smart isn't sexy, I understand, but don't confuse smart with cheap.
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There are cheap teams and there are smart teams. That's
the difference I think between the Patriots the packers. Don't
get me wrong. They'll sign some guys that that don't
hit whatever, but Aaron Jones. They know exactly what they have.
So if you even if you think you know, nine
a half ten million dollars a year is a slight
overpayer like all right, but at least they know what
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they're getting, whereas you get somebody else's free agent or
you have no idea, none, none. Never confuse smart for cheap.
There is a difference there, right, Like single ply toilet
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paper cheap, cheap, okay, But but buying in bulk toilet paper,
which you know you're going to use, smart, absolutely smart.
You know, like using a coupon or using a code
at the grocery store to save a little money. Smart
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smart going to the cheap, low end grocery store ten
miles into some other shady part of town, knowing that
the quality of meat you're gonna get it not smart,
that's cheap, that's cheap. You guys do know that they
priced things that the exact same items are priced differently
in different grocery stores and different parts of the different
parts of your where you live, you gotta be so
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like if you go get cheerios, wherever you get cheerios.
My kids love cheerios still, Like I had two teenagers
and one and getting close to being a teenager, and
they love cheerios. You get cheerios, wherever you get cheerios.
Who cares? There's less money. It's some you know, some
some you know out of you know, in the middle
of the hood. Grocery store great. The quality of fruit,
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the quality of meat, not always the same, not always
the same. I mean, it's one of the reasons that
I don't order dessert when I go to restaurants. I
feel like that's an expense that I don't need. I
don't think so that's not that's to something I've been
being cheap. Like I was like, man, I'd rather have
two appetizers. I'd rather have go go to dinner with somebody.
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I have the app they have the entree. We share.
It's plenty of food. Like there's no ego here, but
you wanna try something. I'm want to share things, you know.
I mean, do you do you guys ever when you
go to a restaurant, do you ever order like a
coke anymore? Remember your little kid and you know order
like you get a Shirley Temple and somehow it's like,
I mean, that's like a vodka tonic to an adult,
like man, Shirley Temple is amazing, Like, yeah, it's four
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bucks for you know, some granadine and syrup and cokeo
cherry on top. That's not smart, that's that's wasteful. Gotta
sound like a scrooge. I really do. I think they're
very smart. I think they're building. I think they're building
a championship roster for this year and years to come.
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The Chiefs, by the way, signed Joe Thuney, so that
was after they released Mitchell Schwartz and Erica Fisher. And
then of course part of that news was that Pat
Mahomes restructured deal to free up some more money and
they use that money in the cap to get Joe Thuney.
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when you do a national radio show dougli show Life
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updates for like he's constantly working, and then he has
his own show on weekends. But he has a podcast,
I Want Your Flex, Right, It's a fantasy football show,
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and that's that's like a labor of love for you, Dan, right, Like,
obviously it's a gonna be a little bit of revenue stream,
but but that doesn't match up to the amount of
time and effort and energy it comes to put everything together.
Absolutely absolutely, So to me, the most rewarding thing is
so I have this podcast called All Ballum and it's
on the Herd podcast network and it's doing really really well.
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And what I try and do is I try and
find interesting stories about people of guys that I've been
told are just or guys that I find I meet
that are interesting. I'm like, hey, you want to talk
on a pod and we just tell stories about their
life and exchange It's just basically an organic conversation. I
have won with Justin Bean, who's a star player for
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Utah State. They take on they take on Texas Tech
this week, first round to the n c A Tournament.
He's amazing. He went on a more mission. He wasn't
recruited out of high school. His dad played at Idaho State.
His dad sending emails. They couldn't call anybody, so everything
was communicative for the email is great, unbelievable stories. And
then I had another one last week, Ryan Odom, the
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head coach at u NBC. They're like, how do I
know that name? They're the ones that upset Virginia the
last time Virginia lost in the n c A Tournament.
Go back three years ago, and then of course two
years ago they're defending national champions, and you know, you
find out I knew his dad was head coach at
at Wake Forest at South Carolina, and I had I
knew he was a long time assistant. I forgot he
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was an assistant at Virginia, and so Ryan's telling me
the story on the pod again. You can download all ball,
all basketball the time, Um tell a story at the time,
like I said, like we went through. He grew up
in you know, North Carolina because his dad was a
high school coach and an assistant wake Forest. But his
first basketball memories were at the University of Virginia when
they had Ralph Samson. They were the best, unbelievable team
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the A C C. And he used to get on
his bike and right across this bridge to go to
to go watch practice every day at Virginia. And that
ends up becoming the school that he takes down. And
oh yeah, by the way, it happened in Charlotte, and
what led him to Maryland Baltimore County was he was
an assistant coach at Charlotte. Then he was the interim
head coach at Charlotte and they got fired, you know,
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so that the next time he was really coaching, he
went to a small school and became a head coach. Anyway,
it was in the city of Charlotte where he had
been fired against Virginia where his dad had worked, you know,
for Maryland Baltimore County took a chance on him. And
then the first sixteen seed ever be too one and
you just anyway the And I don't know if you've
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in podcast form, but byer, I'm gonna guess that when
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how much effort you put in and we don't make
a lot of money on the podcast, right, um, it
feels it feels more rewarding than maybe anything else. Yeah. Absolutely,
Uh number one, it does take a little bit more
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be honest, there are certain things that you know when
you're when you're broadcasting, you're trying to do it in
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Niels Report, limitations apply. Um. I bring up college basketball
in that podcast because um, Archie Miller was was and
I was at the Big Ten Tournament and I had
numerous other coaches text me or come up to me like, Man,
the pods really really good. I appreciate it. It's more
the guests than me. Um. But this is something we'll
be talking about on this week's pod, which is you know,
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what's it like to be fired or what's it like
to change jobs? And we've talked about in a bunch
of different different ones. Dan Munson joined me two part
part talked about being fired at Minnesota when Gonzaga, who
he had taken to the lead eight, took off, Like
what's that like? Emotionally? Indiana fired Archie Miller. For the record,
I thought Archie Miller was a great hire. When they
heard him, I was like, man, I watched his teams
at Daton. They played tough, they played hard. He's a
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hell of a basketball coach. He was a good basketball player.
He's from a basketball family. This will work. It didn't work.
It didn't work. He goes sixty seven and fifty eight,
he gets ten a half million dollars to walk away
or somewhere. That's what he's owed. I'm sure there's a
buyout of settlement, probably half of that. He gets him
money in his pocket and he'll he'll get another job.
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You know, for a long time, when he was at
Dayton and they were winning, people thought, well, he'd only
go to the A C C an NC State was
a job. That's where he played his NC State. Would
he go to another A C C school? Now he'll
probably have to go to more of a mid major
building back up and then get back to a high major.
I don't know, but what's fast to me is the
Indiana thing where you have and look, they have incredible
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expectations that are heightened even though they haven't had nearly
the success that they used to. I've had people say,
you know, they redid the arena, but it's still just okay.
I've had people say, you know, yes, they have a
practic facility that mirrors that of the Cleveland Cavaliers, but
you know it's ten years old now or whatever, like, look,
do you have a new do you have a read
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an arena? Yes, that means you've got a beautiful locker room.
Do you have a practicability yes, is relatively new. Yes,
that means you've got all the facilities you need. Do
people care? Yes? Are their players recruit Yes. Now what
you'll hear is, well, nobody grows up wanting to be
an Indiana basketball player like they used to. You're probably right,
but you know who does remember what it was like
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in Indiana? Their parents, they're a you, coaches, they're high
school coaches, and anybody else who's a mentor now there
are there players close. Yeah, yes, plenty of dudes, you know.
And it wasn't that long ago. They were a one
seed and they had multiple draft picks and Victor Oladipo
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and Cody Zeller. They just could never turn the corner.
I feel like Indiana basketball is where Alabama football was
before they hired Saban right. I remember I was on
with Cowherd And it was the same thing with Notre
Dame football when they hired Brian Kelly. A Notre Dame
will never win again. Like if you find the right guy, Well,
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these kids didn't grow up thinking about Notre Dame. No,
but their academic advisor did. No. But their coaches do, no,
but their family does. It's the same thing in Indiana.
And the problem with if you take over, if Bill
self ever leaves, Mike Sachowski ever retires, if Roy Williams
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ever retires, you know, like the problem with those programs
those are the uber elites, is that you're gonna have
to match that guy's success. And what happens after a
coach leaves, Nobody forget retires, nobody forgets the down years
or not nothing. When Roy you want to replace Roy
Williams and North Carolina Man North Carolina? Okay, how do
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it work out? From Matt Doherty? In North Carolina? He
replaced Bill Guthriche who how do work out for Bill Guthridge?
She went to the Final four and they still couldn't
wait to get rid of him. You don't want to
replace one of those guys. You wanta place Mike, replace
my Stachowski? When a thousand games and a handful of
national championships and a gaggle full of Final four's to boot,
you wanna place Bill selfone? What was at twelve straight
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big twelve titles? You wanna place our thirteen? You want
you want to place that? Hell no, because it's not
just and you're probably gonna make more money than those
guys make, right, because that's the nature of it. They
hire somebody from a different job. You gotta pay you
more money. And it's the market. Now you're held to
the expectations of the money that you make and held
to the ridiculous expectations, ridiculous expectations of the previous staff
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or the the icon for Indiana, they haven't. Kelvin Sampson
was close. They had off the court issues. He had
n c A issues they had to go. But you know,
I mean, nobody even remembers when an interimed coach took
them to the National Championship game. So I think it's
a it's a it's a great job and might be
(29:24):
the best Texas. People have always said, well, if Shock
ever gets fired, Texas is the best job because they
building a new arena. They have Kevin Durant, he got
all those players in Texas. But here's my problem with Texas.
You have all these players, right, and you have all
these expectations, but you don't have what they have in Indiana,
which is the support of the fans. Indiana, you have
(29:46):
the support of the fans and like, well they turned
crazy on you. You can't get both, Okay, Just so
so people are aware, like, well, Indiana fans are crazy
and they'll boo you if you lose. Like, all right,
that's big Boy Sports. Big Boy Sports was the man
in the arena, right, You don't you don't want that smoke,
don't take it. But as far as jobs, it's a
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big one. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio
Whap My Man. Aaron Torres joins joins me. He is
also a hoop nut Fox Sports Radio Weekend host Saturdays
eight to eleven pm Pacific time. Aaron Torres Sports podcast
(30:29):
also you can you can download that where you get podcasts.
Aaron is a Yukon wonk. Try it in true out
on the West Coast. Now, So, how do you feel
about that? Is that bad? It's that bad? Huh No,
I'm just messing. Yeah, you know, I didn't think I
was that bad. But you know, you're you're not, You're
(30:51):
you're you're You're fine, You're fine. I'm just messing with you. Um.
What do you think of the Huskies draw? Though? I
will tell you, as a generality, I think that is
the really the by far, the most fascinating region, right Doug.
I mean Michigan with the liver's injury, that thing completely
opens up that entire draw. And now you just gotta
(31:13):
pick which flawed team do you think is is going
to get through? I mean, you know, Michigan could lose
as early as round two if they get l s
u Um, you know, Alabama. I actually do like to
match up for Yukon with Alabama. Um, you know, you
know Yukon is a physical, tough, you know, old school
Big East team. Alabama kind of a finesse three point
(31:33):
shooting team. Um. And and if if Yukon beats Alabama,
that completely opens up that bracket. Texas looks good, but
we know kind of their reputation that they go hot
in cold Florida State looks good, but they lost, you
know in the their their regular season finale to Notre Dame.
They lost to Georgia Tech in the a SEC Championship game.
So just in general, that one region is like I
(31:55):
I I like to think that I know what's going
on in this sport, and I have no idea what
to do with that region. Yeah, um, I'm with you.
What about Kansas, Like, we don't know who's gonna play
form Apparently Jalen Wilson is not going to even make
the trip or early on. Um, he's there, small, he's there,
small power for he's there, stretch four if you will.
That that's not a deep roster. Like we don't know
(32:16):
what KU looks like when they line up against Eastern Washington.
So there's a there's some fascinating ones out there. Um,
I do think though that that if you look at
that bracket, there's that one is a isn't. What do
you think about Michigan maintaining their seed as a one
seed when it's not just that they lost livers, they
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lost three or five down the stretch. Yeah, I don't.
You know. The thing was, I don't think there was
an obvious team to replace them. I mean, I guess
you probably could have made the argument if Ohio State
won the Big Ten Tournament, although you know that's John
Calipari's argument every year is the brackets set by the
time that Big Ten Tournament game tips off. So I
don't know if if it would have changed anything. Um,
(32:59):
you know, Houston nice, but they have some bad wins.
I actually like Houston a lot, but they have you know,
one or two bad wins, not a ton of one
or two bad losses, excuse me, not a ton of
great wins. So I didn't really I didn't really see
a reason to move Michigan off the one line. And
I do still think like there's still probably a little
bit better than we give them credit for, like Wagner
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is gonna be. I would think a first round pick
this year, Dickinson's just a stud and so I still
think they're really talented. But Livers was kind of the
guy that brought it all together. They struggled last year
when he went down with injury. Um, and so they're
the they're the one number one seed that it just
feels like I really did feel like going into last
week those top four were cut above everybody else. But
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as you said, Doug Michigan, struggling down the stretch on
top of this injury. I feel bad, but it always
feels like there's one number one seed that's trending in
the wrong direction by the time we get the tournament time,
and this feels like one. Yeah, it does. It does
for me as well. Um, Doug out Lee show, you're
on Fox Boards Radio. You know what's amazing about that?
(34:02):
Really interesting about that is Um, I like Ohio State.
I mean I watched my I was at the Big
ten tournament, and they have they got a lot of
they got a lot of pieces there. I Dwayne Washington Jr.
Is nice nice e. J Ladell is a J. Dell
didn't play great, Like that's a tough matchup for him.
If he makes shots, it's a good match up against Illinois.
If EJ. Ladell doesn't, it's a hard matchup because Kovie
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Coburn is a monster. Um I've been a good zagger
the field guy, and some of it is I really
believe they're that good, but some of it is I
struggled to find somebody else I truly believe in. Should
I be buying more into Illinois? You know? So here's
my thing with that, um I I think it will
(34:45):
you know, the best combination of like NBA talent with Io.
I've said many times, including on the Odd Couple with
Chris and Rob. Kate Cunningham is the best NBA prospect
in this in this tournament. But I think IoT assuming
will be the best player in this tournament. Here's my thing, Doug,
and this is gonna be like the most cliche armchair
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you know, guy that knows nothing analysis. If Gonzaga gets
all the way to the championship game with everything, um,
I can't see them losing that late in the tournament.
Like what I was worried about with Gonzaga was you
get to an elite a you know, a couple of
years ago they had Texas Tech. That's a tough matchup
on two days notice and end up losing that game.
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And I was thinking to myself, you know what if
they get the wrong matchup in the Elite A. What
if they get you know some you know what if
they get North Carolina and around two that just kick
the crap out of him on the board. I don't
think they have that matchup that scares me until the
final four. And I just think when you get there,
you have so many veterans, they know what's at stake.
I just don't see them losing. So to answer your question, yes,
(35:47):
like Illinois is the team to me that feels like
probably the second best team in terms of the way
that they're playing with their actual talent. But I mean, man,
you get me to a championship game with Gonzaga undefeated,
and I know it's sounds like really like poor, like
simple analysis. I just can't see them losing in that scenario.
I really can't. Okay, um, let's let's let's pluck some
(36:08):
off that some upsets off Nova not the same team
without without their point guard, without calling Gillespie, you will
and Pike take Winthrop. You know, I need to have
the thing with Winthrop. There the problem is they're not
very big. You know, Villanova. I'll say this for Villanova.
I I think they might get out of that one.
I don't think they're gonna go far. But you know,
(36:30):
let's let's call a spade a spade here. They lost
by one point to Georgetown in the Big East Tournament.
And I know, I know Georgetown got hot and they
got confident, especially after that seat in Hall win. But
Georgetown did be Craighton by thirty something points there on
Fox on Saturday night, and so I just look at
it from the perspective, I think Villain I don't think
Villanova is clearly not the same team without Gillespie. I
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do think they get by Winthrop in round one. Um,
I love which stayed over Drake, not because I don't
like Drake, but you get you have injuries to your
top too. Like that that lined to me is way off.
I'm with you. I think Wichita is definitely the play there.
I'll tell you this to kind of in that bracket,
Wichita would get you USC in round two. In round one,
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I guess it would be here the round of sixty
four or whatever we're calling it. Doug, you mentioned Kansas,
What do you make of a potential USC Kansas matchup
because Kansas, you know, they're not a great shooting team.
They're not a great scoring team. And that USC team
that was one that jumped out to me right away.
I think USC with those athletes down low, Evan Mobile
is a mobile, I think they would give Kansas a
(37:33):
lot of fits in round two in that bracket. Oh,
I think I think the pact hob got badly underseated,
you know, as predicted with Oregon badly underseated. I know
they lost Oregon State, but I am USC. Here's here's
a couple of things on USC basketball and and Aaron
Torres our guest. You can listen to his sports podcast.
List to him on weekends here on Fox Sports Radio.
(37:54):
I don't you know, people just don't watch They just
don't don't watch USC basketball, and they don't understand me.
So in order in order to win, what do you need, right?
You gotta get old and stay old. So and you
need a pro. Okay, So they have a pro and
Evan Mobley and then just about everybody else in their
team is a transfer. Taj Drew Peterson's their point guard.
He's six ft eight right, Um, they have a backup
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point guard Ethan Anderson is a change a pace. Like
I really like their team. I actually some of the
they don't have. There's a little bit something missing in
terms of of a shot creator in their backcourt. But
outside of that, like they defend the rim, they're gigantic,
they can play multiple defense, they're older, and they have
an absolute pro and Evan Mobley. I just I don't
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think it's close in terms of personnel Kansas to USC. No,
I agree, And like I said, that was just one
because you mentioned that Wichita Drake game and the winner
will get USC in the round of sixty four, and
you know that was just one that jumped out to me.
Is that Listen. I I think Bill self, he's one
of the greats in terms of having his teams prepared,
XS and os and all that stuff. But I just
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look at this is a matchup based tournament, and and
as crazy as it sounds, playing in the Big Twelve
with all those great teams, I think that USC will
have as much or more rim protection than any team
that that Kansas has faced all year long. And you
know they're not They're not a great shooting team. They're
not a great creating team. And so that was just
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one that jumped out to me. And I know you
know the USC program well like I do living out
here in l A. And like you said, they just
don't get enough credit. I mean, Indie en Field that
believe it's his for you know last year, if you
include last year where they were comfortably in it, it's
his fourth n c A tournament, which is basically the
most in school history. I'm not saying, you know, he's
John Wood and two point o or anything, but like
I don't think he gets credit for what he has
(39:43):
done their relative to what USC basketball is and was
before he got there. You and I both know how
tough of how tough of a job that is. It's
just tough to be consistent, and he's been He's been
pretty consistent. You know, they they've had good teams in
the past, but it's never never consistent. As our guest
on Doug Outlive show, Okay, Indiana's up in um. Let's
let's start with just Indiana. Who should they hire? Aaron
(40:05):
Torres is the athletic director, Okay, and you have to
be reasonable about it, like I don't. It's the Brad
Stevens thing. Is hard because I don't think Brad Stevens
wants to go back to coach college. You know, some guys,
some guys have to. The Lon Kruger doesn't work, and
there's other guys that have to. Calipari, he goes back
to college whatever, he kills it, but I don't I
don't think he necessarily wants to. If there was one
(40:25):
who's gonna take Indiana, probably be the one um that said, uh,
who do you think they should hire? See to me,
it's a pseudo no brainer, and I'm surprised I'm getting
more pushback on this. I mean, look, sure, call Scott Drew,
he's from Indiana, whatever, but you're gonna have to wait
three weeks potentially do that. John Beeline, I think John
(40:47):
bee Line, even if Trace Jackson Davis, who's their best player,
leaves John Beeline, I know he's sixty seven years old.
He takes whatever scraps are left over, which is a lot.
He would make the tournament with them next year. And
I know, you know you want the perfect you know,
candidate for two years old already wanted the last place.
But that's kind of what you had in Archie Miller
(41:08):
when you hired him four years ago, and so to me,
I know, the line is a little bit older, but
this guy has been a program builder his whole life,
and he is going to be starting so far ahead
where he has been at every other stop in his career. Again,
Indiana fans are pushing back, Oh, he's sixty six. Whatever
is Yeah, Beheim six seventy four, So guess what you
(41:29):
get him for six years and he's gonna leave the
program in a much better place than he found it.
To me, it's a no brainer. I'm surprised there's so
much pushback, especially considering the fact that you just paid
Archie Miller ten million dollars to leave. You wouldn't have
to pay anybody a buyout to get John Bee Line
out of an existing contract. We'll talk off there. I'll
explain that one Okay, okay, okay, give me a buzz
(41:53):
on the way home. I need to hear this. That
was not I don't I don't know. He's a marvelous coach.
I don't think that one's don't think that. I think
I know where you're going with this. We'll talk off
for sure, and some staffing. There's some staffing things that
he would want that are just it's a non starter.
I don't I don't think I think he's I think
he's good. I really think he's he's good. And then
(42:14):
you have to recruit against Michigan, who has been fully
supportive of wij Wan. Howard wasn't great on the recruiting
trail to begin with. Like, I just don't. I don't
see it happening, but I like the Indian job could
be interesting. A great stuff, bro, Thanks so much for
joining us. All right, thank you. Look forward to that
phone call at uh, you know, three oh five Pacific time.
All right, actually two fifty six if you, Lily want
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I don't hate to say I told you so. I
don't you guys know that. I don't hate it. I
love it. I love it raw sewage. I love it.
But I did tell you so on exactly what the
Patriots are doing. It's really really interesting, and you're like, oh, godly,
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so what did we what did we say about the
Patriots last week? And like, why are you talking about hoops? Well?
(01:56):
I struggle with this one because you don't want to
be so close to the four. You don't see the
trees right like I thought, I think bracket? Who I
th I think hoops is awesome. I have no no
doubt that you guys all want my advice. You want
to bet on it, you want to you want to
win your bracket, you want to win your pool. But
I'm also reasonable where college basketball isn't in the landscape
(02:17):
anywhere near the NFL. And you know, none of this,
none of this rises to the level of j Lo
and A Rod breaking up, like let's really, let's really
dive deep in there. But but I mean it with
the Patriots, I'm I I think on many hands, we
dismiss smart organizations for smart decisions, and then we we
(02:40):
we like contradict ourselves and go like, well, you know,
they never spend any money previously, Like that's not actually true.
Like when I see that Jonah Smith who just signed
with them, a star tight end, the most most they've
ever spent on a wide receiving corps. Like look, they
want for eighteen straight years, basically, like why are we taking?
(03:03):
Why are we finding? And we're like, well, you know,
had they they couldn't the physically couldn't spent the money previously.
You know, two years ago when they needed wide receiver,
they went and got Mohammed Sanu. They thought Mohamed Sanu
was better than Emmanuel Sanders, and they were wrong. Mohamed
Sanu was washed up. The Falcons got over on him.
That's what happened. That's what happened. They've tried to draft
(03:27):
a wide receiver in the first round. How did that
work out? He was better last year. He may end
up becoming a really good player, but he's not there
yet it's hard to tell because he had a quarterback
that was throwing groundballs. But they have put together great
teams and it's very interesting to see what they're doing
and how they're spending their money, since they had the
third most cap space, and this was coming off a
(03:49):
year in which they were in cap hell Brady leaving
and then Gronk and that that had dead cap money
and then ultimately Gronk freed up some cap money. They
didn't spend on quarterback. They haven't spent on quarterback yet.
They're trying to build a great football team. If you're
not all in on the Patriots, that's okay. They're gonna
show up and you're gonna go, like, man, there are
(04:11):
a lot better than I thought they'd be. Yeah, Matt
Judon they got, uh Devon God Show they got and
now Jonas Smith and and while it's not huge money
in the comparison to Dak Prescott money, the twelve point
five million dollars for a tight end is big money
(04:31):
and it's also a signal of what they're gonna try
and do there. It feels very much like the Patriots
have looked around the league and said what is successful
with everybody else. Well, you have quarterbacks on a rookie contract.
Well they don't have that yet, but they basically have
that with Cam Newton and the money they're currently spending,
and then whoever they likely draft to be the heir apparent.
(04:54):
They also want mobile quarterbacks. Why because they know that's
the trend in the league. And the reason that young
quarterbacks are in vogue is not just because they're good.
It's because they're cheap and allows you to build a
counted roster around them. And then ultimately, when you have
to pay that young quarterback, if he's the right guy,
you give him a long term, big money, backloaded deal
(05:16):
and you continue to load up those pieces on draft picks.
That's how you build a quality team. That's what the
Patriots are doing. By the way, Jaden Mills defensive back
to the Patriots four years, four million dollars, nine million guaranteed.
I called this last week. They're the best in the
league at identifying talent in the league. They're not great
(05:39):
at identifying talent in terms of the draft. It's in
the league. They're like, I like that one, I don't
like that one. I like that one. And now they
have some money to spend. So I look at this
thing very very differently than many people. You know, you'll
get well, they finally spent money on it. They spent
(05:59):
mone on Aaron Hernandez, they spent money on Rob Gronkowski.
They spent money on good players. When they had Randy Moss,
he was the highest paid due in the league at
his position. Some of it comes down to opportunities. Can
they get the right guy at the right place for
you know, I have no doubt in my mind. What's
(06:20):
soever that the Patriots will build like quality roster? Will
it be good enough? Will they be good enough the
quarterback position? The answer is I don't know, and neither
do you. But if we had the last twenty years
as a guide, look at how many games they won
this year with arguably the worst talent in the league
or second or third worst talent and a quarterback who
threw more interceptions than touchdowns and struggled to get to
(06:42):
a hundred yards passing. They're incredibly well coached. They're unbelievably
good to understand the waiver wire and and what what
the league's personnel dictates? The Patriots are doing exactly what
I told you they would do, and they will be
right back close to where they were previously. Again, quarterback
(07:05):
position very much depended upon their future on the offensive
side of the ball. Last year they had no money,
they took it on the chin, did the best they could.
This year, they have some money, and they're gonna continue
to spread around with the exception the quarterback position and
try to figure that thing out as they go and
spend as little money as possible. It's a smart plan.
It's a twenty one century plan. It's a plan that's
(07:26):
worked elsewhere. And then you have the execution of a
front office that has been pretty good and identifying in
league talent. The Patriots are exactly who we thought they were.
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(08:09):
doing yourself a favor and listen to Straight Fire with
Jason McIntyre on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast
or wherever you get your podcasts. Um Drew Brees announced
his retirement yesterday yesterday, and it wasn't a surprise. There
was some there's some breadcrumbs on the trail that led
(08:32):
some to believe some that um that he might have
wanted to come back. Nonetheless, on Instagram, he had his kids.
It was really sweet, it was awesome. It was uh.
And it was also the fifteenth anniversary when he signed
with the New Orleans Saints and he remains, for his words,
(08:52):
committed to the city of New Orleans. Right, But what's
interesting is like, we're not even a year removed from
the whole flag thing, and I was, if you guys,
remember I guest hosted for Colin the day after that,
(09:12):
and remember he faced intense criticism saying we will never
they He'll never agree that anybody disrespecting the flag of
the United States or our country. So um, remember Malcolm
Jenkins and Michael Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders all took shots
(09:33):
at him. On social media. This is his own teammate. Teammates,
they were taking shot at their teammate. So we're not
even a year out from that. So there's a lesson there.
I mean, the lesson there is, like, hey, first of all,
most people I know think Drew Brees pretty good dude.
So he had a lot of equity to cash in,
(09:54):
and he cashed it all in at that point, and
he said and done some things since which have been
I think reasonable responses in terms of understanding. If you
read what he said, I don't think anyone could really
find fault with it, because what he was talking about
(10:14):
was his own personal thoughts when he hears the Star
Spangled banner played. Who can argue with that? Right? You're
you're absolutely positively allowed to have your own personal thoughts, right,
But in addition to your own personal thoughts, you also
(10:38):
have to understand the context of the time, and the
context of the time was a good portion of his
locker room saying like at anyone it's about for me,
and the tone and the wording, the semantics of it.
I will never I will never, you know, agree with
anybody that that's that's I don't want to listen and
(10:59):
it was during a time time, and so we're still
in that time where people who are protesting simply want
to be heard, Right, that's really what it's about. Your
spouse wants to be heard, your your your kids want
to be heard, friends want to be heard, and people
right now in society want to be heard. Now, I
do think that there's a group of people that say, hey,
(11:21):
we want to be heard, but we actually don't want
to listen ourselves. That's not good. And had he worded
a little bit differently and said, look, this is what
I think I understand, other people see it differently, Like
that's a completely different way, because I actually think that
what he's saying does resonate with a good portion of people,
and the bridge he could have built would be different
(11:42):
if the wording was different. But it's fascinating to me,
absolutely fascinating me that we're not even a year removed
and it wasn't like he had a great year and
people are completely forgotten about them, Like that's just part
of it is. He's a guy that we've always liked
and there's the great comeback story and he proved so
many skeptics wrong because he didn't have great size. It
wasn't like it's a great athlete, and yet he was
(12:03):
a great quarterback. But this is the lesson if you're
going to if you're going to do something dumb, have
more of your career to be played that way and
have a lot of positive equity you can cash in.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon Pacific. Aaron
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Jones led the league with nineteen total touchdowns despite finishing
fifteen and rushing attempts. Last year, he posted a career
high eleven under rushing yards and saw even fewer carries
than the year before. They draft DJ Dillon. A J.
Dillon looks to be a formidable running back. They had
Jamal Williams, who is now since Aaron Jones signed his contract,
(12:45):
announced them out produces, you know, And it's interesting that
you have the rest of the league, or at least
you have people in my seat telling you what the
what the Packers do and don't you right? And I'm
sitting there going, yeah, um, I don't see it. Don't
(13:07):
see it at all. No, not that I don't see
them them doing it, right, I actually do. I look
and I think, okay, wait a second, You've been to
two straight NFC Championship games. You have your quarterback under contract,
you pretend you have your quarterback of the future under
(13:27):
a very reasonable contract. You gotta figure out your offensive
line moving forward, because yet you have some losses and
then David Box he already got hurt at the end
of the year. You had to figure out the Aaron
Jones thing. You gotta get more cornerbacks because your nickel
corner got totally exposed in that NFC Championship game. But
the best thing to do is draft well and then
(13:47):
keep your guys. And I think this is a big one.
It's not just it's not just to um um to
say they got Aaron Jones. They got Aaron Jones. One
was reaped by Drew Rosenhouse. And you only hired Drew
Rosenhouse when you're going for the kill to get the
most money possible. It was initially reported four years, forty
(14:09):
eight million, Okay, but that comes from Drew um Sources
say that to Michael Lombardo, say that the deal is
really worth nine point five million per year or thirty
eight million total prior to incentives. So what's likely to
have happened was he got a big signing bonus early,
(14:30):
and then they will use that so that when you
have a signing bonus, not a roster bonus, it doesn't
count against your cap a bunch this year, it will
count more in years to come when the Caps expect
to go up. Additionally, they kept him below the ten
million dollar year threshold, which remember running backs that have
gotten a twelve Zeke Elliott with the twelves and the
third team like, those aren't good deals. So this is
(14:53):
a slight overpay in considering to where you'd like to be,
but a lot less than what the top of the
market is. And oh yeah, by the way, to anyone
who thinks they're not supporting Aaron Rodgers, that's exactly what
they're doing. Exactly what they're doing. So they're building the
(15:13):
best team possible. And I don't really understand two years
ago blown out in the NFC Championship Game. Last year,
you know, they got up to a poor start and
still had a chance to win the NFC Championship Game.
And they're not just running it back. They're gonna run
back and run it back and add and build for
the now and the future. This is these are good deals.
(15:36):
You know there's good deals. So what happens is the
narrative becomes, oh, wow, you know, we can't we can't
possibly couldn't possibly signed a running back to a long
term deal because we don't spend money. That's not the case.
They spent money on David box cr right before he
(15:59):
got hurt. They spent money on Aaron Rodgers, spent money
on Aaron Jones. They spent money on the Smith Boys
in terms of fixing their defense a couple of years ago.
Like they have spent money, They've tried to spend smartly.
These throw money at a problem and go get the
highest pet price free agent and make some sort of
killer deal and killer move, like let's let's just take
(16:21):
the DeAndre Hopkins deal, which is like, well, all we
would have to give up as a third or second
round pick for DeAndre Hopkins, Like that sounds good, but
then you got to sign them to a long term deal,
which would make it prohibitively more difficult to sign everybody else.
Smart isn't sexy, I understand, but don't confuse smart with cheap.
(16:46):
There are cheap teams and there are smart teams. That's
the difference I think between the Patriots the packers. Don't
get me wrong. They'll sign some guys that that don't
hit whatever, but Aaron Jones. They know exactly what they have.
So if you even if you think you know, nine
a half ten million dollars a year is a slight
overpayer like all right, but at least they know what
(17:07):
they're getting, whereas you get somebody else's free agent or
you have no idea, none, none. Never confuse smart for cheap.
There is a difference there, right, Like single ply toilet
(17:27):
paper cheap, cheap, okay, But but buying in bulk toilet paper,
which you know you're going to use, smart, absolutely smart.
You know, like using a coupon or using a code
at the grocery store to save a little money. Smart
(17:48):
smart going to the cheap, low end grocery store ten
miles into some other shady part of town, knowing that
the quality of meat you're gonna get it not smart,
that's cheap, that's cheap. You guys do know that they
priced things that the exact same items are priced differently
in different grocery stores and different parts of the different
parts of your where you live, you gotta be so
(18:11):
like if you go get cheerios, wherever you get cheerios.
My kids love cheerios still, Like I had two teenagers
and one and getting close to being a teenager, and
they love cheerios. You get cheerios, wherever you get cheerios.
Who cares? There's less money. It's some you know, some
some you know out of you know, in the middle
of the hood. Grocery store great. The quality of fruit,
(18:31):
the quality of meat, not always the same, not always
the same. I mean, it's one of the reasons that
I don't order dessert when I go to restaurants. I
feel like that's an expense that I don't need. I
don't think so that's not that's to something I've been
being cheap. Like I was like, man, I'd rather have
two appetizers. I'd rather have go go to dinner with somebody.
(18:53):
I have the app they have the entree. We share.
It's plenty of food. Like there's no ego here, but
you wanna try something. I'm want to share things, you know.
I mean, do you do you guys ever when you
go to a restaurant, do you ever order like a
coke anymore? Remember your little kid and you know order
like you get a Shirley Temple and somehow it's like,
I mean, that's like a vodka tonic to an adult,
like man, Shirley Temple is amazing, Like, yeah, it's four
(19:17):
bucks for you know, some granadine and syrup and cokeo
cherry on top. That's not smart, that's that's wasteful. Gotta
sound like a scrooge. I really do. I think they're
very smart. I think they're building. I think they're building
a championship roster for this year and years to come.
(19:38):
The Chiefs, by the way, signed Joe Thuney, so that
was after they released Mitchell Schwartz and Erica Fisher. And
then of course part of that news was that Pat
Mahomes restructured deal to free up some more money and
they use that money in the cap to get Joe Thuney.
So it's all all kind of related, all part part
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when you do a national radio show dougli show Life
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life buyer's job is he works long hours. Didn't just
do our show. There's other local shows. He has other
updates for like he's constantly working, and then he has
his own show on weekends. But he has a podcast,
I Want Your Flex, Right, It's a fantasy football show,
(20:42):
and that's that's like a labor of love for you, Dan, right, Like,
obviously it's a gonna be a little bit of revenue stream,
but but that doesn't match up to the amount of
time and effort and energy it comes to put everything together.
Absolutely absolutely, So to me, the most rewarding thing is
so I have this podcast called All Ballum and it's
on the Herd podcast network and it's doing really really well.
(21:05):
And what I try and do is I try and
find interesting stories about people of guys that I've been
told are just or guys that I find I meet
that are interesting. I'm like, hey, you want to talk
on a pod and we just tell stories about their
life and exchange It's just basically an organic conversation. I
have won with Justin Bean, who's a star player for
(21:25):
Utah State. They take on they take on Texas Tech
this week, first round to the n c A Tournament.
He's amazing. He went on a more mission. He wasn't
recruited out of high school. His dad played at Idaho State.
His dad sending emails. They couldn't call anybody, so everything
was communicative for the email is great, unbelievable stories. And
then I had another one last week, Ryan Odom, the
(21:46):
head coach at u NBC. They're like, how do I
know that name? They're the ones that upset Virginia the
last time Virginia lost in the n c A Tournament.
Go back three years ago, and then of course two
years ago they're defending national champions, and you know, you
find out I knew his dad was head coach at
at Wake Forest at South Carolina, and I had I
knew he was a long time assistant. I forgot he
(22:08):
was an assistant at Virginia, and so Ryan's telling me
the story on the pod again. You can download all ball,
all basketball the time, Um tell a story at the time,
like I said, like we went through. He grew up
in you know, North Carolina because his dad was a
high school coach and an assistant wake Forest. But his
first basketball memories were at the University of Virginia when
they had Ralph Samson. They were the best, unbelievable team
(22:30):
the A C C. And he used to get on
his bike and right across this bridge to go to
to go watch practice every day at Virginia. And that
ends up becoming the school that he takes down. And
oh yeah, by the way, it happened in Charlotte, and
what led him to Maryland Baltimore County was he was
an assistant coach at Charlotte. Then he was the interim
head coach at Charlotte and they got fired, you know,
(22:54):
so that the next time he was really coaching, he
went to a small school and became a head coach. Anyway,
it was in the city of Charlotte where he had
been fired against Virginia where his dad had worked, you know,
for Maryland Baltimore County took a chance on him. And
then the first sixteen seed ever be too one and
you just anyway the And I don't know if you've
had this buyer, but I love when people come up
(23:15):
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it daily. I've listened no matter what the network I
try and find it. It's great. I know we're on
in Phoenix now by the way, shout out to our
new Phoenix affiliate. Um. But when people come from like, hey, dude,
I love that podcast, like it's it's just a good
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(23:36):
in podcast form, but byer, I'm gonna guess that when
somebody says like, hey, I really like that pod, considering
how much effort you put in and we don't make
a lot of money on the podcast, right, um, it
feels it feels more rewarding than maybe anything else. Yeah. Absolutely,
Uh number one, it does take a little bit more
effort for the listener to get the product, so you
feel good that they went and got it. And let's
(23:58):
be honest, there are certain things that you know when
you're when you're broadcasting, you're trying to do it in
a uh you know, a way to reach as many
people you can go deep in those podcasts. You can
get into the nitty gritty stuff or go down you know,
you know, a reminiscing or you know, go down a
deep path and trying to figure out uh stuff. So yeah,
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it's a it's a great platform to do it, and
I can I can understand why you would feel that way,
especially if somebody reaches out, because it's just a yeah,
it's yeah, it's broadcasting. But it's a totally totally different thing.
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Niels Report, limitations apply. Um. I bring up college basketball
in that podcast because um, Archie Miller was was and
I was at the Big Ten Tournament and I had
numerous other coaches text me or come up to me like, Man,
the pods really really good. I appreciate it. It's more
the guests than me. Um. But this is something we'll
be talking about on this week's pod, which is you know,
(25:02):
what's it like to be fired or what's it like
to change jobs? And we've talked about in a bunch
of different different ones. Dan Munson joined me two part
part talked about being fired at Minnesota when Gonzaga, who
he had taken to the lead eight, took off, Like
what's that like? Emotionally? Indiana fired Archie Miller. For the record,
I thought Archie Miller was a great hire. When they
heard him, I was like, man, I watched his teams
at Daton. They played tough, they played hard. He's a
(25:23):
hell of a basketball coach. He was a good basketball player.
He's from a basketball family. This will work. It didn't work.
It didn't work. He goes sixty seven and fifty eight,
he gets ten a half million dollars to walk away
or somewhere. That's what he's owed. I'm sure there's a
buyout of settlement, probably half of that. He gets him
money in his pocket and he'll he'll get another job.
(25:43):
You know, for a long time, when he was at
Dayton and they were winning, people thought, well, he'd only
go to the A C C an NC State was
a job. That's where he played his NC State. Would
he go to another A C C school? Now he'll
probably have to go to more of a mid major
building back up and then get back to a high major.
I don't know, but what's fast to me is the
Indiana thing where you have and look, they have incredible
(26:05):
expectations that are heightened even though they haven't had nearly
the success that they used to. I've had people say,
you know, they redid the arena, but it's still just okay.
I've had people say, you know, yes, they have a
practic facility that mirrors that of the Cleveland Cavaliers, but
you know it's ten years old now or whatever, like, look,
do you have a new do you have a read
(26:25):
an arena? Yes, that means you've got a beautiful locker room.
Do you have a practicability yes, is relatively new. Yes,
that means you've got all the facilities you need. Do
people care? Yes? Are their players recruit Yes. Now what
you'll hear is, well, nobody grows up wanting to be
an Indiana basketball player like they used to. You're probably right,
but you know who does remember what it was like
(26:46):
in Indiana? Their parents, they're a you, coaches, they're high
school coaches, and anybody else who's a mentor now there
are there players close. Yeah, yes, plenty of dudes, you know.
And it wasn't that long ago. They were a one
seed and they had multiple draft picks and Victor Oladipo
(27:09):
and Cody Zeller. They just could never turn the corner.
I feel like Indiana basketball is where Alabama football was
before they hired Saban right. I remember I was on
with Cowherd And it was the same thing with Notre
Dame football when they hired Brian Kelly. A Notre Dame
will never win again. Like if you find the right guy, Well,
(27:31):
these kids didn't grow up thinking about Notre Dame. No,
but their academic advisor did. No. But their coaches do, no,
but their family does. It's the same thing in Indiana.
And the problem with if you take over, if Bill
self ever leaves, Mike Sachowski ever retires, if Roy Williams
(27:52):
ever retires, you know, like the problem with those programs
those are the uber elites, is that you're gonna have
to match that guy's success. And what happens after a
coach leaves, Nobody forget retires, nobody forgets the down years
or not nothing. When Roy you want to replace Roy
Williams and North Carolina Man North Carolina? Okay, how do
(28:15):
it work out? From Matt Doherty? In North Carolina? He
replaced Bill Guthriche who how do work out for Bill Guthridge?
She went to the Final four and they still couldn't
wait to get rid of him. You don't want to
replace one of those guys. You wanta place Mike, replace
my Stachowski? When a thousand games and a handful of
national championships and a gaggle full of Final four's to boot,
you wanna place Bill selfone? What was at twelve straight
(28:36):
big twelve titles? You wanna place our thirteen? You want
you want to place that? Hell no, because it's not
just and you're probably gonna make more money than those
guys make, right, because that's the nature of it. They
hire somebody from a different job. You gotta pay you
more money. And it's the market. Now you're held to
the expectations of the money that you make and held
to the ridiculous expectations, ridiculous expectations of the previous staff
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or the the icon for Indiana, they haven't. Kelvin Sampson
was close. They had off the court issues. He had
n c A issues they had to go. But you know,
I mean, nobody even remembers when an interimed coach took
them to the National Championship game. So I think it's
a it's a it's a great job and might be
(29:24):
the best Texas. People have always said, well, if Shock
ever gets fired, Texas is the best job because they
building a new arena. They have Kevin Durant, he got
all those players in Texas. But here's my problem with Texas.
You have all these players, right, and you have all
these expectations, but you don't have what they have in Indiana,
which is the support of the fans. Indiana, you have
(29:46):
the support of the fans and like, well they turned
crazy on you. You can't get both, Okay, Just so
so people are aware, like, well, Indiana fans are crazy
and they'll boo you if you lose. Like, all right,
that's big Boy Sports. Big Boy Sports was the man
in the arena, right, You don't you don't want that smoke,
don't take it. But as far as jobs, it's a
(30:08):
big one. Be sure to catch the live edition of
The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio
Whap My Man. Aaron Torres joins joins me. He is
also a hoop nut Fox Sports Radio Weekend host Saturdays
eight to eleven pm Pacific time. Aaron Torres Sports podcast
(30:29):
also you can you can download that where you get podcasts.
Aaron is a Yukon wonk. Try it in true out
on the West Coast. Now, So, how do you feel
about that? Is that bad? It's that bad? Huh No,
I'm just messing. Yeah, you know, I didn't think I
was that bad. But you know, you're you're not, You're
(30:51):
you're you're You're fine, You're fine. I'm just messing with you. Um.
What do you think of the Huskies draw? Though? I
will tell you, as a generality, I think that is
the really the by far, the most fascinating region, right Doug.
I mean Michigan with the liver's injury, that thing completely
opens up that entire draw. And now you just gotta
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pick which flawed team do you think is is going
to get through? I mean, you know, Michigan could lose
as early as round two if they get l s
u Um, you know, Alabama. I actually do like to
match up for Yukon with Alabama. Um, you know, you
know Yukon is a physical, tough, you know, old school
Big East team. Alabama kind of a finesse three point
(31:33):
shooting team. Um. And and if if Yukon beats Alabama,
that completely opens up that bracket. Texas looks good, but
we know kind of their reputation that they go hot
in cold Florida State looks good, but they lost, you
know in the their their regular season finale to Notre Dame.
They lost to Georgia Tech in the a SEC Championship game.
So just in general, that one region is like I
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I I like to think that I know what's going
on in this sport, and I have no idea what
to do with that region. Yeah, um, I'm with you.
What about Kansas, Like, we don't know who's gonna play
form Apparently Jalen Wilson is not going to even make
the trip or early on. Um, he's there, small, he's there,
small power for he's there, stretch four if you will.
That that's not a deep roster. Like we don't know
(32:16):
what KU looks like when they line up against Eastern Washington.
So there's a there's some fascinating ones out there. Um,
I do think though that that if you look at
that bracket, there's that one is a isn't. What do
you think about Michigan maintaining their seed as a one
seed when it's not just that they lost livers, they
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lost three or five down the stretch. Yeah, I don't.
You know. The thing was, I don't think there was
an obvious team to replace them. I mean, I guess
you probably could have made the argument if Ohio State
won the Big Ten Tournament, although you know that's John
Calipari's argument every year is the brackets set by the
time that Big Ten Tournament game tips off. So I
don't know if if it would have changed anything. Um,
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you know, Houston nice, but they have some bad wins.
I actually like Houston a lot, but they have you know,
one or two bad wins, not a ton of one
or two bad losses, excuse me, not a ton of
great wins. So I didn't really I didn't really see
a reason to move Michigan off the one line. And
I do still think like there's still probably a little
bit better than we give them credit for, like Wagner
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is gonna be. I would think a first round pick
this year, Dickinson's just a stud and so I still
think they're really talented. But Livers was kind of the
guy that brought it all together. They struggled last year
when he went down with injury. Um, and so they're
the they're the one number one seed that it just
feels like I really did feel like going into last
week those top four were cut above everybody else. But
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as you said, Doug Michigan, struggling down the stretch on
top of this injury. I feel bad, but it always
feels like there's one number one seed that's trending in
the wrong direction by the time we get the tournament time,
and this feels like one. Yeah, it does. It does
for me as well. Um, Doug out Lee show, you're
on Fox Boards Radio. You know what's amazing about that?
(34:02):
Really interesting about that is Um, I like Ohio State.
I mean I watched my I was at the Big
ten tournament, and they have they got a lot of
they got a lot of pieces there. I Dwayne Washington Jr.
Is nice nice e. J Ladell is a J. Dell
didn't play great, Like that's a tough matchup for him.
If he makes shots, it's a good match up against Illinois.
If EJ. Ladell doesn't, it's a hard matchup because Kovie
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Coburn is a monster. Um I've been a good zagger
the field guy, and some of it is I really
believe they're that good, but some of it is I
struggled to find somebody else I truly believe in. Should
I be buying more into Illinois? You know? So here's
my thing with that, um I I think it will
(34:45):
you know, the best combination of like NBA talent with Io.
I've said many times, including on the Odd Couple with
Chris and Rob. Kate Cunningham is the best NBA prospect
in this in this tournament. But I think IoT assuming
will be the best player in this tournament. Here's my thing, Doug,
and this is gonna be like the most cliche armchair
(35:05):
you know, guy that knows nothing analysis. If Gonzaga gets
all the way to the championship game with everything, um,
I can't see them losing that late in the tournament.
Like what I was worried about with Gonzaga was you
get to an elite a you know, a couple of
years ago they had Texas Tech. That's a tough matchup
on two days notice and end up losing that game.
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And I was thinking to myself, you know what if
they get the wrong matchup in the Elite A. What
if they get you know some you know what if
they get North Carolina and around two that just kick
the crap out of him on the board. I don't
think they have that matchup that scares me until the
final four. And I just think when you get there,
you have so many veterans, they know what's at stake.
I just don't see them losing. So to answer your question, yes,
(35:47):
like Illinois is the team to me that feels like
probably the second best team in terms of the way
that they're playing with their actual talent. But I mean, man,
you get me to a championship game with Gonzaga undefeated,
and I know it's sounds like really like poor, like
simple analysis. I just can't see them losing in that scenario.
I really can't. Okay, um, let's let's let's pluck some
(36:08):
off that some upsets off Nova not the same team
without without their point guard, without calling Gillespie, you will
and Pike take Winthrop. You know, I need to have
the thing with Winthrop. There the problem is they're not
very big. You know, Villanova. I'll say this for Villanova.
I I think they might get out of that one.
I don't think they're gonna go far. But you know,
(36:30):
let's let's call a spade a spade here. They lost
by one point to Georgetown in the Big East Tournament.
And I know, I know Georgetown got hot and they
got confident, especially after that seat in Hall win. But
Georgetown did be Craighton by thirty something points there on
Fox on Saturday night, and so I just look at
it from the perspective, I think Villain I don't think
Villanova is clearly not the same team without Gillespie. I
(36:51):
do think they get by Winthrop in round one. Um,
I love which stayed over Drake, not because I don't
like Drake, but you get you have injuries to your
top too. Like that that lined to me is way off.
I'm with you. I think Wichita is definitely the play there.
I'll tell you this to kind of in that bracket,
Wichita would get you USC in round two. In round one,
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I guess it would be here the round of sixty
four or whatever we're calling it. Doug, you mentioned Kansas,
What do you make of a potential USC Kansas matchup
because Kansas, you know, they're not a great shooting team.
They're not a great scoring team. And that USC team
that was one that jumped out to me right away.
I think USC with those athletes down low, Evan Mobile
is a mobile, I think they would give Kansas a
(37:33):
lot of fits in round two in that bracket. Oh,
I think I think the pact hob got badly underseated,
you know, as predicted with Oregon badly underseated. I know
they lost Oregon State, but I am USC. Here's here's
a couple of things on USC basketball and and Aaron
Torres our guest. You can listen to his sports podcast.
List to him on weekends here on Fox Sports Radio.
(37:54):
I don't you know, people just don't watch They just
don't don't watch USC basketball, and they don't understand me.
So in order in order to win, what do you need, right?
You gotta get old and stay old. So and you
need a pro. Okay, So they have a pro and
Evan Mobley and then just about everybody else in their
team is a transfer. Taj Drew Peterson's their point guard.
He's six ft eight right, Um, they have a backup
(38:17):
point guard Ethan Anderson is a change a pace. Like
I really like their team. I actually some of the
they don't have. There's a little bit something missing in
terms of of a shot creator in their backcourt. But
outside of that, like they defend the rim, they're gigantic,
they can play multiple defense, they're older, and they have
an absolute pro and Evan Mobley. I just I don't
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think it's close in terms of personnel Kansas to USC. No,
I agree, And like I said, that was just one
because you mentioned that Wichita Drake game and the winner
will get USC in the round of sixty four, and
you know that was just one that jumped out to me.
Is that Listen. I I think Bill self, he's one
of the greats in terms of having his teams prepared,
XS and os and all that stuff. But I just
(39:00):
look at this is a matchup based tournament, and and
as crazy as it sounds, playing in the Big Twelve
with all those great teams, I think that USC will
have as much or more rim protection than any team
that that Kansas has faced all year long. And you
know they're not They're not a great shooting team. They're
not a great creating team. And so that was just
(39:22):
one that jumped out to me. And I know you
know the USC program well like I do living out
here in l A. And like you said, they just
don't get enough credit. I mean, Indie en Field that
believe it's his for you know last year, if you
include last year where they were comfortably in it, it's
his fourth n c A tournament, which is basically the
most in school history. I'm not saying, you know, he's
John Wood and two point o or anything, but like
I don't think he gets credit for what he has
(39:43):
done their relative to what USC basketball is and was
before he got there. You and I both know how
tough of how tough of a job that is. It's
just tough to be consistent, and he's been He's been
pretty consistent. You know, they they've had good teams in
the past, but it's never never consistent. As our guest
on Doug Outlive show, Okay, Indiana's up in um. Let's
let's start with just Indiana. Who should they hire? Aaron
(40:05):
Torres is the athletic director, Okay, and you have to
be reasonable about it, like I don't. It's the Brad
Stevens thing. Is hard because I don't think Brad Stevens
wants to go back to coach college. You know, some guys,
some guys have to. The Lon Kruger doesn't work, and
there's other guys that have to. Calipari, he goes back
to college whatever, he kills it, but I don't I
don't think he necessarily wants to. If there was one
(40:25):
who's gonna take Indiana, probably be the one um that said, uh,
who do you think they should hire? See to me,
it's a pseudo no brainer, and I'm surprised I'm getting
more pushback on this. I mean, look, sure, call Scott Drew,
he's from Indiana, whatever, but you're gonna have to wait
three weeks potentially do that. John Beeline, I think John
(40:47):
bee Line, even if Trace Jackson Davis, who's their best player,
leaves John Beeline, I know he's sixty seven years old.
He takes whatever scraps are left over, which is a lot.
He would make the tournament with them next year. And
I know, you know you want the perfect you know,
candidate for two years old already wanted the last place.
But that's kind of what you had in Archie Miller
(41:08):
when you hired him four years ago, and so to me,
I know, the line is a little bit older, but
this guy has been a program builder his whole life,
and he is going to be starting so far ahead
where he has been at every other stop in his career. Again,
Indiana fans are pushing back, Oh, he's sixty six. Whatever
is Yeah, Beheim six seventy four, So guess what you
(41:29):
get him for six years and he's gonna leave the
program in a much better place than he found it.
To me, it's a no brainer. I'm surprised there's so
much pushback, especially considering the fact that you just paid
Archie Miller ten million dollars to leave. You wouldn't have
to pay anybody a buyout to get John Bee Line
out of an existing contract. We'll talk off there. I'll
explain that one Okay, okay, okay, give me a buzz
(41:53):
on the way home. I need to hear this. That
was not I don't I don't know. He's a marvelous coach.
I don't think that one's don't think that. I think
I know where you're going with this. We'll talk off
for sure, and some staffing. There's some staffing things that
he would want that are just it's a non starter.
I don't I don't think I think he's I think
he's good. I really think he's he's good. And then
(42:14):
you have to recruit against Michigan, who has been fully
supportive of wij Wan. Howard wasn't great on the recruiting
trail to begin with. Like, I just don't. I don't
see it happening, but I like the Indian job could
be interesting. A great stuff, bro, Thanks so much for
joining us. All right, thank you. Look forward to that
phone call at uh, you know, three oh five Pacific time.
All right, actually two fifty six if you, Lily want
(42:36):
to get down there. Thanks. Be sure to catch the
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