May 14, 2021 • 47 mins
Brady Revenger Game / Surgery RESET
Rick Stroud: Buccaneers Insider Tampa Bay Times
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Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Calherd. We got a great
third hour of the show for you, getting you ready
for your weekend. You know there's been a lot of
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discussion about obviously about quarterbacks about the Buccaneers they'd turned
all the twenty two starters. And there is this assumption
that we make, and it's a it's a really dangerous assumption.
Um that assumption is, well, yeah, Tom Brady just defies
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father time. He's always gonna defy father time. You remember
if you watched the the Boat Parade when Brady was hammered, hammered,
and I think everybody was like, man, good for him? Right,
good for him? Or he just he's in that smiley face,
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like him like what are you laughing at? I don't know?
Does that be? And and it does. It is a
good staff shot into who Tom Brady really is, because
who you are when you're drunk is who you are
in real life, right Like a dude, an inner angry
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dude is that guy who gets drunk and wants to
fight people like the Padre fan who walked over and
just molly wopped that that Rocky fan. Did you Ryan Music?
Did you see that? Have you seen that video again
that went viral? Ah, that's a that's a class act. Now,
look the the Rocky fan who got his glasses knocked
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off and got knocked out like uh debo at the
end of Friday, but it almost felt like slow motion.
Oh rude, were good, Like don't put your hands on
they got put your hands up. Duck. Anyway, I'm guessing
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that Andre Fan that's assault brother. Um. That guy is
one of those guys that has a couple of pops
and he wants to fight people. That's who he is.
Tom Brady gets drunk, happy happy. But if you remember
Tom Brady, he was wearing a knee sleeve at the
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victory boat parade like that, like wow, what who goes?
Like all right, I gotta, I gotta. I'll throw on
a polo. Uh need some shorts. You know it's comfortable shorts.
Hey on one of those shoes that I like. You
know he's gotta wear his under armor boat shoes, right, socks.
I need to put on my sneeze sleeve. Like that
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is some old man stuff. When you're throwing on a
knee sleeve to just go out in public. I get it,
Like if you're going to play a football game, you're
going to work out, if you're just going to hang
out a boat and you need he sleeve, like your
knee is jacked and you are old. So Tom Brady,
of course had that knee cleaned up here. He wasn't
a podcast talking about his offseason. I had pretty serious
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knee surgery this offseason, which is the first searcher I've
had in about twelve years. So I was really interested
to see how it was gonna go because last year
it just took a lot every week I was kind
of tending to my knee, and I thought I would
love to see a season what it looks like when
I'm not, you know, when I can really focus on
some other strength stuff that I want to do some
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other technique stuff where I'm not just focused on protecting
my knee all the time. Okay, now let's remember that
that as as great as Tom Brady has been, Okay,
he wasn't great against the Washington football team in the playoffs,
and I granted that Washington football team is nasty upfront defensively. Um,
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he was good against New Orleans, but they were trailing
if not for a massive fumble in the fourth quarter
in that game. He had three turnovers against the Green
Bay Packers, and he was good against a City, but
that was Cance City. Couldn't score, could score, couldn't protect.
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Brady had some ups. Brady had some downs, right he
obviously they were. They lit up teams like the Lions, great,
the Falcons great. Um, there are other teams that he
struggled against. He just did and he wasn't. They're lost
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to the to the Saints in New Orleans six yards
passing and and three turnovers. That's why they were so conservative. Heck,
even in the Super Bowl, very conservative underneath. Stuff to
Gronk dumping out to two the running backs, and there's
a chance talent wise they're better. Not I know they
have a twenty two back, but you know you added
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Geo Bernard. Now you've got a legit pass catcher out
of the backfield. That's what he's always loved. But you
add in he's coming off of knee surgery. You add
in that. The it's hard to repeat. Not only are
expectations uh lifted, but pretty people's personal expectations because they
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want to get You want to get recognized all right now.
I want to get paid in the future. Now I
gotta get my numbers. We gotta look, we won a
Super Bowl last year. We should be winning fourteen fifteen,
sixteen games in the regular season this year. And I
hate to break it to you, but as good as
Tampa was at the end of the year that four
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game win streak, beat the Vikings and beat the Falcons
twice to beat the Lions. Hey, those are four non
playoff teams, you know. If you if you look at
their regular season. Their regular season, they beat one playoff
team one. Now, what happens when you win a Super Bowl? Now, granted,
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because they were the wild card, they don't get the
first place schedule, but they do get teams like the
Cowboys to open up their stadium. You're everybody's biggest game,
and your quarterback is button up against forty four years old.
He is coming off of knee surgery. You are playing
a seventeenth game, which will lead to more attrition, more injuries.
It just does you can you can tell me I'm wrong,
and I'm gonna be wrong, but I'm not. I know
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it because this is why they fought for only having
sixteen games. The players, the only reason they went for
the seventeenth game is because they all knew they were
gonna get so much more money. Like I'd fine, you know,
I'd fine. We've all done it in life. Do you
want to do something no, how much? Okay, it's the
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old that movie Dragon Heart. You know that movie Dragonhart Sean,
Sir Sean Conray, please a dragon. I heard a comedian once.
I forget what comedian if you want to tell me
at Gottlie shows. But but it was like, can you
mad in the conversation with this? This is Sir Sean
Cornery a dragon. I'm I'm knighted by the Queen. I
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wont how much? Right? Everybody has a price point. NFL
players fought tooth and nail for years. We don't want
a seventeenth game. We don't want to say how much. Okay, yeah,
the cap is gonna go up? How much? Oh? Okay?
Everyone has a price a right. But the downside to
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it is older players are more likely to get hurt.
Tom Brady is coming off the surgery, just the whole
idea of and again it doesn't mean even if he
falls off a cliff. Paid Manning fell off a cliff
his last year. He was terrible. Nine touchdown, seventeen receptions.
They won that game because of defense and special teams.
He had no arm left. And if you look at
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guys that have left New England, what is the secret
of New England's sustained success. They have been wing to
let guys go a year early rather than a year
too late. This is year two the Richard Seymours of
the world. One good year and then off a cliff.
So I don't know if he'll go off a cliff.
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I don't know if it'll be a steady decline. I
don't know if we've already been part of the decline.
And it's been covered up by having so many talented
players around him in Tampa. But no man has ever
been able to do it at the same level forever.
And if you look at his actual production, there has
been a drop off this year, next year it is coming.
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What is the ild? Was the HBO show um Game
of Thrones? Winners coming, winners coming. I'm not doing the
Kellerman off a cleft four years ago, five years ago.
You know. I feel for my boy Trent Doper, who
called it when he played against Kansas City and he
stuck it to all of us and just has seen
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this rebirth. But at some point father time gets his
Father time gets his Will this be the point? How
do you get back out in the field, and if
you don't have your regular offseason while rehabbing and play
with with with that kny, how do you There's a
hunger that was in Tampa, right, Tampa hadn't been good
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in twenty years, Bruce arians he had never won it
as a coach. There's a hunger there and Brady obviously
has sustained hunger. He finds a way to do that
six meal a day thing, right, I'm talking about with
super bowls. But lots of guys, now you've made it
now what Rick Stroud joins the show up coming next
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was a big deal. We thought it was just a cleanup.
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Fox Sports Radio, I Heart Radio app. Hopefully you're getting
ready for a great, great weekend. All right, we were
talked about Brady talked about the Buccaneers. A guy who
knows a lot more about it than you and I
do is Rick Stroud. Uh. He governs the box, He's
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the Buccaneers insider, and he joins us uh here in
the herd. Of course, you works for the Tampa ay Times.
And let's let me start with this from the place
for me from the podcast. What Tom Brady said about
his recent knee surgery. I had pretty serious knee surgery
this offseason, which is the first surgery I've had in
about twelve years. So I was really interested to see
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how it was gonna go because last year it just
took a lot. Every week I was kind of tending
to my knee, and I thought I would love to
see a season what it looks like when I'm not,
you know, when I can really focus on some other
strength stuff that I want to do. Some other technique
stuff where I'm not just focused on protecting my knee
all the time. Okay, what what did he have done
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to the knee? Well, hid, let me look through all
the injury reports to see what he was on there.
Oh no, there are none. Um, yeah, that's an interesting one.
We're not really sure. Uh, you know, it was originally
described to me as, oh, it's just a clean up.
Clearly it's more than that, you know. I don't know
if it was a pc L. Who knows, right, we
we've not been told any details about his knee surgery,
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but the fact that he had to spend a lot
of time, um, you know, just getting prepared to practice
and play, would would indicate that it was a little
more than um, you know that Carley's or some residual
from his A c L surgery many many years ago.
So look he Um, My information is he will begin
throwing next week. Um. You know, he has rehabbed that
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things as well as you can. I think it's been
about nine weeks or so, um since his surgery, maybe
maybe about that. So we'll find out just how much
he can do and where he does it, because we
know that you know, he came on the NFLPA conference,
Calm kind of urged people to stay away. So I
don't hope that means another trip to Berkeley preper. What
isn't that weird though? That God, he's leading this charge
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to stay away when last year they were the guys
practicing at the local park because they couldn't get into
the facility. Like wait, what, yeah, I know it's it's
sort of counterintuitive. I mean, even after the union during
COVID and we're trying to negotiate protocol and say, hey, guys,
especially Tom, you guys that are working out on your own,
because you could just stop until we get this. This
thing all hammered out, and he went out there again.
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I was out there and nothing changed. And in fact,
he even posted on Instagram you know, uh the fdrk
not but hear itself. So um, he's been on both
sides of the argument for sure, and UM, you know,
I well, we'll just see here in the next I
guess next week sometime where he decides to do this.
Rick Stroud joining us from tamp A Times covers the Buccaneers,
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has done so for years and does an amazing job.
He joined us in the hurd him Doug Gotlie filling
in for for Colin. Repeating is hard, right, Um, obviously
he knows he's done it, he's succeeded in it. But
this is a crew that, look, they've they've they've dealt
with how to deal with losing, but how to deal
with winnings sometimes can be even more difficult. Is it
a good thing that all twenty two starters are coming
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back next year? Well, I mean I think it is
from a continuity standpoint, you know, I think the downside
is that other teams got better, Um, you know in
various ways, and you know, the Bucks are hoping to
get better because of just the fact they'll have more familiarity.
And you know, in a lot of instances, if you're
talking about in Doma Kong su Um, you know, some
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of these guys are older players, and Gronkowski, Antonio Brown,
you really don't know when that expiration date's gonna pop up.
They've all been sort of, uh, you know, freaks of
nature in a way, even Brady for that matter. Um,
but it's a young man's game. Um. They did it
with a lot of veteran players last year that played
huge roles. Uh, you know, but repeating is tough, and
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there's a reason why it hasn't happened for so many years.
And I just think that, you know, they're gonna get
everybody's best shot. They get a lot of uh you know,
night games, um, primetime games, all of that. But but
they really feel like Doug the date they were just
starting to hit their stride because of all the protocols
and no training camp, all the things Brady had to
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do to learn a new system that you know, they're
getting better on offense and defense. When the Super Bowl
happened and you could see sort of how ready they
were for that game, and and um, you know, the
next morning, in fact, Brady called Clyde Christensen and said, hey,
I think we can be better next year doing this
and this and this. So you know, we've done some things,
getting Joe Bernard receiving running back. Um, you know, but
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I think continuity helps in this situation. For sure. I
do too. I would say the downside is, like you said,
getting everybody's best shots just different. Right when you walk
into a building and you're everybody's biggest game, it's different.
I also think the level of intensity and regular season
football is going to be peaked not just because they're
the Super Bowl champions and they're Tom Brady and whatever,
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but because we have fans in the stands everywhere, right,
And I mean there's some incredible games, incredible atmospheres in
New England probably the most, but also Dallas first game
of the season. Um, but there's also the seventeenth game.
You mentioned it's a young man's game. How do you
how do you account for the seventeen game? Uh, when
they're just there's just a volume of of hits and
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actions on older bodies that at some point lead to
a breakdown. How how can we account for that and
prepare for that? If you're if you're a football fan
or their football players. Well, I mean in this case,
I can only speak to what I see with the
boxes that you know. I think that Bruce arians does
as good a job, um with veteran players as I've
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ever seen. And I think that's why a lot of
guys want to play here, want to play for him
in particular. Um. Look, when you get to a certain age, Um,
it's all about those three hours on Sunday. And most
of these guys know their jobs. You know how to
play football, you know how to prepare but it's about
body maintenance. Um. You know, I know you see in
the NBA all the time, but I mean, really, I
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think the NFL is going to that. They spent a
million dollars on sports science anythink, from sleep to de
id ration, all of those studies they do. Um. And
you know, Bruce, I think even with Tom Brady towards
the end of the year, he wasn't practicing on Wednesdays,
just one going out there and that's something that I
don't think you know, he necessarily embraced right away, but
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they wound up preserving him. We know now he had
a serious injury. So um, you know for these guys,
and the bye week is is not as late as
it was a year ago after week twelve, Um, this year,
it's about in the middle of the season. But it's
gonna be a long year, there's no doubt about it.
And if you if you plan on going to the
postseason even longer. So, um, it's one that no no
players had to navigate. There's one less preseason game, but
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there was no preseason a year ago, so we'll just
have to see, you know, uh, to war of attrition
out there. Man, how many stars get hurt. Who's gonna
be left? And that's that's a big part of the battle,
is who's standing. I mean, look at Kansas City. You know,
they had so many injuries on the offensive line. There's
no way that could compete against the Bucks. And the
Bucks got Vita Van back you know, at a at
a perfect time in the championship. So all that's part
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of it. Doug Allie been for Colin. Uh, this is
the herd. That's voice of Rick Stroud, Bucks insider for
the Tampa Bay Times. You mentioned Geo Bernard. I mean,
maybe it's even more more impressive what they were able
to do considering they didn't have that type of running
back last year, like Watchington and trying to throw the
ball to Leonon Fournette was painful. Like handed to Leonon
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Fournette very good. Throw it to Leonon for Nette not
not so good? Uh? Does that upset the apple cart though?
In anyway? Well, I think, you know, I think that
Bernard's going to have a big role. I mean, prior
to hit some coming here, he completed a hunter Ballsters
running back. The previous four or five years, he just
couldn't do that. I mean, I think between you know,
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Ronald Jones, who was anything but a natural pass catcher,
and Fournette, I know, he's caught seventy balls, mostly in
the screen variety. I mean, those guys had unofficially at
least fourteen drops, and those usually come on third down.
They get you off the field. You know. You think
back to games like New Orleans when they went four
straight three and out. So, I mean there's a lot
of drop opportunities there. So Bernard puts Tom back in
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his comfort zone where he's got a guy who's who's
used to running routes. Uh, he knows where his leverage is, Uh,
you know, is productive after the catch. Um, you know,
somebody like James White who was a teammate of his
back in high school. So I think this is really
a nice addition when you talk about what the Bucks
can look forward to. That's one of those editions they've
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made that will make them harder to defend. They opened
the year with with the Dallas Cowboys. But the big
game that everybody's talking about is the fourth game of
the season in New England. Um, what do you think
that would be like for Brady? Well, it's gonna be
emotional for him. I mean, There's no doubt about it.
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He's an emotional guy and I think you see that
when he when he plays on Sundays or in this case, uh,
you know, Sunday night, and um, look, I know it's
been something to watch and from a fart, I've watched
this guy's career, been to all the Super Bowls, and
he's very impressive. But when you see him every day
with his teammates even more impressive. The guys on this
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football team, and in a short time, even with Covid
not being able to hang out, have such respect for
him now for what he's accomplished. He's helped put rings
on all their fingers. They don't want to be the
guy that disappoints him. I mean they really don't. It's
that simple. And uh, you know he can coach every
position and does so quite often. I just think those
guys will understand what that game means to him, the
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magnitude of that. Um, they'll they'll have their best weeks
of practice. Uh. They probably think they're a better football
team than than Patriots. Let's see whether they are or
not in Week four. I think the bigger factor is
they've got maybe their biggest game of the year. The
week before they go to l A and play the Rams,
and you know, uh, that could end up being one
that determines don't feel advantaged down the road. So you know,
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flying across country, cross across country in a short week,
that might be more of a factor than this emotion
that Brady has to play with. It's gonna be interesting
to have. There's some soft parts to schedule. I think
a lot of it depends upon the The NFC South
is fascinating to me because we all are operating under
the assumption that the Saints take a step back. The
Caroline is still not there that the Falcons are. But
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if you I mean the Falcons defend, couldn't be any
worse than last year, right, it has to be better,
uh Carolina, as they were surprisingly decent last year. I
think it's an upgraded quarterback, but they only had Christian
McCaffrey for three games, and they definitely upgraded the wide
receiver corps as well as most of the personnel and
the Saints and we had at least offer up the
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possibility they could be better because Drew Brees was limited.
Is it possible that we are downplaying the NFC? I
think most people think they're gonna dominate the NFC South.
Is it possible we're downplaying the NFC South? Oh? I
think so? I mean, okay, I think Carolina had a
lot of work to do on defense. I don't know
if they addressed that or not, but certainly they got
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a new quarterback I like. I like their head coach, um.
But Atlanta's got a guy that's been there, done that.
Their offensive weapons are are well documented. Um, they've got
some pieces on defense. These teams, when they play in
the division, you know, you lose that sort of fear factor, right.
I mean, they know each other so well, They've been
on the grass with each other so many times. They're
really tough games no matter who you play or where
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you play them. And for New Orleans, I mean, let's
not forget who the head coach is. Now. You know,
Sean payton Um has done this with backup quarterbacks, with
third string quarterbacks. To me, all I know is that
two years ago he won four games or five games
with Teddy Bridgewater didn't lose any of them. Last year
he had Taysom Hill and maybe Jamis Winston at times
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off the bench and they went three and one. So
You're right about the downfield threat. Wasn't there for the
New Orleans Saints, especially in the playoff games. You could
roll up on them, dare them to throw the ball
behind you, and Breese couldn't do it. I assure you
Jamis Winston can do it. I watched him do it
for five thousand yards of Tampa. Yeah, he threw a
lot of interceptions, but if that can be coached out
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of him those bad decisions, they're gonna be a threat
next year. And they've won the division four years in
a row, so they're not just gonna roll over and
hand it to the Bucks. I think you know they
wanted to avenge the playoff loss. Uh they swept those
guys with Tom Brady. The worst beating they got was
in Tampa thirty three on a Monday night. So uh yeah,
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I would not dismiss the Saints or even the NFC
South at this point. Ricky the best. I hope you're
enjoying a great spring and an awesome summer in Tampa.
Can't wait to talk more as we get ready for
football season. Thanks so much for being our guests. Thanks
Tommy Doug alright, pleasures mind Rick Stroud, good dude. Uh, excellent,
excellent reporter covering the Buccaneers for the Tampa Bay Times.
Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. Turn on
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the news. This is the herd Line News. All right, Doug,
you spent a lot of time. They're talking about Tom Brady,
which naturally means we got to talk some Aaron Rogers.
We haven't seen much in terms of whether or not
he's actually going to get traded. You seem to be
firmly in the camp that he's not going to get traded. Well,
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Ricky minicamps are under way, and so the Packers have
their rookie minicamp. Obviously Aaron Rodgers not they're not a rookie,
but it's head coach Matt Ville. Floor was there and
he did speak about the Aaron Rodgers situation. I've got
nothing new to update, and we still obviously feel the
same way. It's, uh, you know, we want him back
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in the worst way. I know he knows that, and um,
you know, we we'll continue to work at it each
and every day. No news is good news, I suppose, yeah.
I mean, I's just there's there's nothing you can say
that's not gonna be parsed. Right, nothing is saying that
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can be parsed, So, um, well, I don't, I don't,
I I can't. I can't take any anything from what
that that was. Just what's the what's the most I
can say while saying the least congratulations you win the day. Yeah,
I mean to Mount Lafleur's point, there have been a
lot of reports about just how the packers um operate,
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and I know one I believe it came from Mike
Silver a couple of weeks ago, where he said, you know,
whereas most NFL teams are progressing to the point where
they're everyone works collaboratively, Green Bay is still very much
one of those operations where everything is separate, and that
Matt Lafleur was just as surprised for the trade up
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to select Jordan's love as Aaron Rodgers was. So he's
been putting this sort of rock and a hard place between.
You know, his boss is obviously good Akunts who's making
those decisions, but also as the head coach, he knows
that Aaron Rodgers is obviously going to give him the
best chance to be successful right now, so you know
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he's he's left with trying to manage keeping Aaron Rodgers happy,
while also not turning his back on his boss. Oh um.
By the way, Mott Lafleur also added this on the
signing of Blake Bortles. Shoot, he led his team to
the a f C Championship game and they almost knocked
off the Patriots. So there you go. They have the
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ball a fifty seconds ago at the end of the
first half and chose to take a knee. Is that
not what you want to do now? Now, hey, we
want to keep Tom Brady out the field like he
wasn't gonna be on the field there, dude, you know,
well unless uh but we saw we saw the Niners
do that. Jimmy Garoppolo tells you all you need to know,
right exactly, But no, he's he's right, Like, look, he's
(28:20):
not a chump. He's a guy with a resume, just
not a recent one. Yeah, and and Colin had brought
this up yesterday. I believe it was not necessarily great
news for Jordan's Love. Now. I know you want a
veteran guy there, but if you feel good about Jordan's
Love to not be a complete and total disaster, you
(28:41):
probably could get away with signing someone else. I don't know.
I mean, look, we go through all of these rosters,
all of them, you're gonna find somebody who's the third
string quarterback. You're like, man, he he used the ball
out what hour? He was a highly out to guy.
I go through, literally go through a give me, give
(29:02):
me a team, let's go. I guess here, here's what
I mean. Like, look, look, Nick Foles is the other
quarterback in Chicago Super Bowl m v P. Alright, so
give me another give me, give me another team. Um,
let's go with the Chargers. I don't know Eastern Stix
their third sting quarterback, But once upon a time Eastern
(29:23):
Stick was like, well, maybe he could be the next quarterback, right,
I don't, I don't you know, I don't, I don't know. Yeah, no,
I mean it's and and look, I guess what you're
saying is is, if you're the Packers and you have
a win now team, it's much better to have multiple
backups that you think you can work off of to
get to keep things afloat if something happens to Aaron Rodgers,
(29:44):
as opposed to just putting all your eggs into one basket,
especially considering the way things all right, I even think
that's overthinking it. You need camp arms, you need guys.
You Also, he has a relationship with I think he's
offensive quarding or quarterback coaches in Jacksonville when he was there, right,
So he needs somebody who like I don't have to
sit down and explain everything too. He could gotta be
(30:06):
a coach. And remember, like Jordan loves gonna need coaching.
And if Aaron's not there, he needs another veteran who's
gonna sit there and and and hold his hand. Like, look,
if you thought Jordan's Love was gonna play in his
first two year, you didn't talk to anybody in the NFL.
He was a year away from being a year away.
He was at least two years away. He played one
good year in college, one disappointing year with the coaching
(30:27):
change at Utah State. He's got a really tough personal
story growing up. I think it was Bakersfield, right. His
dad was a cop who killed himself. Well, while he
was at an Au basketball games fourteen years old, kind
of the whole community raised him. Like he's been through
some stuff now and this is he had to learn
how to play courterback, but has had talent. He was
(30:47):
a lot like justin fields trade Lance type. Going back
to last year, we're like, man, he could see him,
but there's some things he needs to clean up, so
I don't. I don't. And it says anything about Trey
Lance last year he couldn't play a preseason game. They
couldn't really see what they had. So we'll see, but
(31:08):
their expectations are for next year to be the year.
Maybe he's a bust. It's very, very possible to hit
rate on first round draft picks. Is that's not really
counting quarterbacks? And that's right. Music with the news. Well
that's the news, and thanks for stoping thirdline news. Um,
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is Ted Lasso a a a sitcom? It's a question
for you, a question Ryan? Is Ted Lasso sitcom? Um? Well,
I've never watched Ted lass so so I'm not sure.
I know it's obviously a comedy. I'm not a The
situation is Ted Lasso is a Division two football coach
(31:51):
who becomes a Premier league soccer coach or footie football
coach in England. That's a situation. It's a comedy. So
it's a situation comedy, isn't it? Like my m hm,
he let's see I'm reading an article here on ted Lasso.
(32:14):
The executive producers wanted to distinctly make a non sitcom sitcom.
What does that mean. I don't know. I don't know
if it's a situational comment. It's a very good show. Now.
I do think Colin started watching it last week. Last
we came a Sunday, which is interesting because I started
(32:34):
watching last Friday and tweeted about it and called him
and texted him about it, and I'm just I don't
know if that was the seed, and everybody has talked
about it, but there are several people that I know
and like in the media that have I'm just I'm
not saying I was the first one. Lots of people.
I'm way late on it. Well, so really good. One
of the things about sitcoms was they always used to
(32:55):
have that studio audience, right like that was one of
the things that used to kind of be an element
in sitcoms. That's no longer the case. No, no somewhere
for they would say this was filmed and from a
live studio, but someone have the canned laugh. Well that's
what I mean, Yeah, the canned laughter. The can laughter
is in front of us live studio audience. That's fake lack.
Can laughter means fake laughter means from a button of
(33:16):
a computer, live studio audiences, live studio audience. I don't
know if that. I don't think that mattered, Like um,
like Candle, didn't Seinfeld have canned laughter or seinfeldt live
studio audience. I know it had to be can laughter, right,
I think so? Yeah? I mean I think Sitcom is
a situational comedy. I think it's well we're bringing up
(33:37):
because coming up next there is a Friends reunion that
apparently is gonna gonna gonna air. Now. I don't like
reunion shows. I can't think of one that I've watched.
I can't think of one that anyone's ever said, like,
you know, who was really good? Was the Reunion show?
It was great, even it was even uncomfortable. The Saturday
(33:58):
Night Live and you when they brought Eddie Murphy back,
even that was super uncomfortable. But it does allow for
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This is the Herd. I hope you're having a great day,
ready for a great great weekend. Um Music is probably
Ryan Music who's producing now for Colin obviously producing us today.
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He's probably wondering, like, man, why did you break early?
That's because when I do this show, I always pinch
the very last segment, which is my favorite segment. That's
why we call it the Best for Last. It's almost
the end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're
phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment.
It's time for best for Last. Okay, so here's what
(36:58):
we we we did. This is the best less and
this is very much open for discussion and debate over
people who will disagree with me but that they're wrong. Okay.
I I don't know about you, but like I think
the days of the network sitcom being a thing are
probably over right. They've gone the way of the dodo
there the uh the they're the You ever seen one
(37:22):
of these things where there's a phone and there's a
dial pad attached and you can put a coin in
you mean a pay phone? Yes, those things like that's
like the situation comedy that said, uh there is there's
a Friends Reunion, which it's gonna be on HBO Max.
And if you think Friends isn't popular, all you have
(37:44):
to do is take a look at Netflix. When they
had Friends on Netflix and the Office on Netflix, it
exploded the popularity of Netflix for the younger generation that
didn't see it on its and look, Friends is on
every day on cable television. People don't watch it. So
what we did we beating me compiled a list me
(38:05):
because Ryan musically doesn't agree with me. It's okay, he's
not old enough to really understand. Somebody said the top
ten sitcoms of all time, let's get to number ten,
Number ten Friends, Friends. Um. They tried spinoff shows. None
(38:28):
of them worked. Huh. I'm trying to think, you know,
outside of was it was it Marty was Marty the
giraffe in Madagascar, I'm trying to think of that, um
out outside of doing voiceovers. Jennifer Anderson is really the
(38:54):
only one who's seen a ton of prominence after that show.
So it's one of the things that I mean, I
guess part of it was they got typecast. Part of
it is also um uh. Part of it is also
the fact that they made so much money and still
makes so much money. Like, do you really have to
work anymore? I think the answer is probably no. Um. Anyway,
(39:19):
Friends are great show. I I would say Friends is
probably the last of the great situation comedies on television
for that age of for that age of viewer, because
now like that was on when I was in college,
right that was that was an eighteen to thirty show
or eighteen to forty show. And that's why all of
(39:41):
us are now adults. We still watch back and go
seven seven seven or we were on a break, like,
all of those things resonate with us. I think it's
the last of the Mohicans, if you will, but I
don't think it rises to the level of some of
the other shows. Let's get to number nine, number nine,
Sanford and Son. Again, this is old school, um. It
(40:04):
was among the first shows starring two black men, and
of course it started a famous comedian in Red Fox,
and it was hilarious, hilarious Sandford and Son at nine.
Number eight Curb. Now, Curb is a hard one because
(40:24):
it was an HBO show. Obviously, Larry David one of
the creators of Seinfeld, and a lot of the bizarreness
of Larry is what Seinfeld was based upon. And I
know we have a tough time comparing it to network
situation comedies, but it was a situation comedy and in
(40:48):
much the Seinfeld kind of realm it was what was
it really about? Nothing? Something, but we can all relate
to it. Number seven Mash Mash. Now, to those of
you are like mash really, I mean I probably have
mashed too low. The final episode of Mashes the highest
(41:09):
rated show in the history television. Right, So, um, I'm
a little late to the mass generation. It did have
canned laughter. Uh, but it was an amazing show and
many of those character names and have become like adjectives
(41:33):
and they still worked to this day. Number six Frasier. Now,
Frasier was a spinoff from Cheers. Dr Frasier Crane. It
also anybody else kind of fall in love with Seattle
because of Frasier. Right, Uh, you had the dad, you
had the dog, you had the brother, Niles. You know,
(41:53):
you had niles wife who spoiler alert, eventually he leaves
the wife for Daphne, who he had a long love
interest in and then ultimately love affair with Fraser. Also
a radio show host, a talk show host with an incredible,
incredible voice. Chelsea Grammer of course became you know, he
(42:15):
was the was he the voice of side show Bob
as well. At the sideshow bar right in Simpson's Yeah
I'm Fraser at six number five The Office Now I
hate to be that guy, and I don't hate to
be that guy. The British version with Ricky Gervais I
still think is funnier. But the Office is pretty damn funny.
(42:36):
I mean it's and look at people, look at people's careers,
how they have exploded from it. And though obviously a
lot of it, like most situation comedies, is over the top. Man,
the office is awesome, just the awkwardness of inner office relationship. Now,
what's crazy about it is are we ever gonna have
(42:57):
offices like the Office ever? Again? It right? Like I
don't know about your work, but like we have offices
that are not open that may never open again. Why
when you can do everything? Honestly, now, people don't know
how to talk to each other on the phone anymore.
They don't have, you know, meetings on the phone. That
everything is on zoom. So I don't know if you
ever have offices, I don't know if it's as relatable
(43:19):
ten years from now, Like what is it? Why would
you go into an office? Number four? The Simpsons, The
Simson's dne Done don't I mean the Simpsons is one
still hysterical too. They long time, you know, well before
(43:42):
many of these cartoon shows pushed the bounds of like
family Guy, of what's acceptable. The Simpsons did the same
years and years, and they've predicted the future. It's a
brilliant show that's still on. I probably haven't underrated it. Four.
Number three on the Family. And look, if you're the
two guys working with me today, they've never seen in
(44:04):
All the Family. They don't understand uh oh you have okay, yeah,
All in the Family in terms of political incorrectness and
dealing with uh, religious relationships, race relationships. Um Archie Bunker
is one of the most interesting and funny and iconic
(44:27):
characters in the history of television. And oh yeah, by
the way, look at all of the look at all
the people that are on that show. All in the Family.
And my my dad used to fall asleep to it
every night. Number two Seinfeld, Yeah, and I I Seinfeld
is too. I love Seinfeld. I love it. And there's
a there's a whole thing that I do on my show,
The Doug Gotlip Show, which airs after this show, which
(44:49):
is when art imitates life and when life imitates Seinfeld.
There are so many different you know, it was cold,
First Avenue, in First Street, the nexus of the Universe.
I mean, you name it, the show about nothing, was
about something. It was hysterical. But it's number two because
number one is number one Cheers. So here's my thing
(45:13):
on Cheers one. Hysterical to launch careers like that of
Woody Harrelson, Um three. It had great spinoffs like that
of Frasier. For its survived. The lead female changed after
like four or five seasons. I changed after four or
five seasons and it was still good and maybe even better.
(45:36):
How do you do that? Like, I know, the Fresh
Friends changed Aunt Vibbs after the first year, but this
wasn't after the first year. It was a wildly successful
show that changed leads. So Friends ten, San Francu nine,
Curb eight, Mash seven, Fraser six, Office five, Simpsons four,
All in the Family three, Seinfeld two, Cheers one. That's
(45:57):
the best for last major issues, major issues, Feel free,
Patrick Buckeye Pat five, says Cheers in Seinfeld for me,
there you go, I'm with it. Look you can we
can have these discussions on social media all weekend long.
We're like a week away, aren't we a week away
from the NBA playing games getting started. If it's me,
(46:21):
I'm the Lakers, I'm okay with it. We're not gonna
lose a game, even if we see Steph Curry. We're
that good. And if that gives us the seventh seed
and we play the Phoenix Suns, great, we match up
great with the Suns. I get the attrition, and that's
really what the Lakers fear is the attrition of extra
games on bodies that are not yet sharp and have
(46:42):
broken down. Which I think the attrition is the big
story this year in the NFL. With the seventeenth game
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Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Calherd. We got a great
third hour of the show for you, getting you ready
for your weekend. You know there's been a lot of
(01:13):
discussion about obviously about quarterbacks about the Buccaneers they'd turned
all the twenty two starters. And there is this assumption
that we make, and it's a it's a really dangerous assumption.
Um that assumption is, well, yeah, Tom Brady just defies
(01:35):
father time. He's always gonna defy father time. You remember
if you watched the the Boat Parade when Brady was hammered, hammered,
and I think everybody was like, man, good for him? Right,
good for him? Or he just he's in that smiley face,
(01:56):
like him like what are you laughing at? I don't know?
Does that be? And and it does. It is a
good staff shot into who Tom Brady really is, because
who you are when you're drunk is who you are
in real life, right Like a dude, an inner angry
(02:18):
dude is that guy who gets drunk and wants to
fight people like the Padre fan who walked over and
just molly wopped that that Rocky fan. Did you Ryan Music?
Did you see that? Have you seen that video again
that went viral? Ah, that's a that's a class act. Now,
look the the Rocky fan who got his glasses knocked
(02:39):
off and got knocked out like uh debo at the
end of Friday, but it almost felt like slow motion.
Oh rude, were good, Like don't put your hands on
they got put your hands up. Duck. Anyway, I'm guessing
(02:59):
that Andre Fan that's assault brother. Um. That guy is
one of those guys that has a couple of pops
and he wants to fight people. That's who he is.
Tom Brady gets drunk, happy happy. But if you remember
Tom Brady, he was wearing a knee sleeve at the
(03:19):
victory boat parade like that, like wow, what who goes?
Like all right, I gotta, I gotta. I'll throw on
a polo. Uh need some shorts. You know it's comfortable shorts.
Hey on one of those shoes that I like. You
know he's gotta wear his under armor boat shoes, right, socks.
I need to put on my sneeze sleeve. Like that
(03:40):
is some old man stuff. When you're throwing on a
knee sleeve to just go out in public. I get it,
Like if you're going to play a football game, you're
going to work out, if you're just going to hang
out a boat and you need he sleeve, like your
knee is jacked and you are old. So Tom Brady,
of course had that knee cleaned up here. He wasn't
a podcast talking about his offseason. I had pretty serious
(04:01):
knee surgery this offseason, which is the first searcher I've
had in about twelve years. So I was really interested
to see how it was gonna go because last year
it just took a lot every week I was kind
of tending to my knee, and I thought I would
love to see a season what it looks like when
I'm not, you know, when I can really focus on
some other strength stuff that I want to do some
(04:22):
other technique stuff where I'm not just focused on protecting
my knee all the time. Okay, now let's remember that
that as as great as Tom Brady has been, Okay,
he wasn't great against the Washington football team in the playoffs,
and I granted that Washington football team is nasty upfront defensively. Um,
(04:45):
he was good against New Orleans, but they were trailing
if not for a massive fumble in the fourth quarter
in that game. He had three turnovers against the Green
Bay Packers, and he was good against a City, but
that was Cance City. Couldn't score, could score, couldn't protect.
(05:07):
Brady had some ups. Brady had some downs, right he
obviously they were. They lit up teams like the Lions, great,
the Falcons great. Um, there are other teams that he
struggled against. He just did and he wasn't. They're lost
(05:28):
to the to the Saints in New Orleans six yards
passing and and three turnovers. That's why they were so conservative. Heck,
even in the Super Bowl, very conservative underneath. Stuff to
Gronk dumping out to two the running backs, and there's
a chance talent wise they're better. Not I know they
have a twenty two back, but you know you added
(05:50):
Geo Bernard. Now you've got a legit pass catcher out
of the backfield. That's what he's always loved. But you
add in he's coming off of knee surgery. You add
in that. The it's hard to repeat. Not only are
expectations uh lifted, but pretty people's personal expectations because they
(06:17):
want to get You want to get recognized all right now.
I want to get paid in the future. Now I
gotta get my numbers. We gotta look, we won a
Super Bowl last year. We should be winning fourteen fifteen,
sixteen games in the regular season this year. And I
hate to break it to you, but as good as
Tampa was at the end of the year that four
(06:37):
game win streak, beat the Vikings and beat the Falcons
twice to beat the Lions. Hey, those are four non
playoff teams, you know. If you if you look at
their regular season. Their regular season, they beat one playoff
team one. Now, what happens when you win a Super Bowl? Now, granted,
(07:01):
because they were the wild card, they don't get the
first place schedule, but they do get teams like the
Cowboys to open up their stadium. You're everybody's biggest game,
and your quarterback is button up against forty four years old.
He is coming off of knee surgery. You are playing
a seventeenth game, which will lead to more attrition, more injuries.
It just does you can you can tell me I'm wrong,
and I'm gonna be wrong, but I'm not. I know
(07:22):
it because this is why they fought for only having
sixteen games. The players, the only reason they went for
the seventeenth game is because they all knew they were
gonna get so much more money. Like I'd fine, you know,
I'd fine. We've all done it in life. Do you
want to do something no, how much? Okay, it's the
(07:43):
old that movie Dragon Heart. You know that movie Dragonhart Sean,
Sir Sean Conray, please a dragon. I heard a comedian once.
I forget what comedian if you want to tell me
at Gottlie shows. But but it was like, can you
mad in the conversation with this? This is Sir Sean
Cornery a dragon. I'm I'm knighted by the Queen. I
(08:07):
wont how much? Right? Everybody has a price point. NFL
players fought tooth and nail for years. We don't want
a seventeenth game. We don't want to say how much. Okay, yeah,
the cap is gonna go up? How much? Oh? Okay?
Everyone has a price a right. But the downside to
(08:31):
it is older players are more likely to get hurt.
Tom Brady is coming off the surgery, just the whole
idea of and again it doesn't mean even if he
falls off a cliff. Paid Manning fell off a cliff
his last year. He was terrible. Nine touchdown, seventeen receptions.
They won that game because of defense and special teams.
He had no arm left. And if you look at
(08:54):
guys that have left New England, what is the secret
of New England's sustained success. They have been wing to
let guys go a year early rather than a year
too late. This is year two the Richard Seymours of
the world. One good year and then off a cliff.
So I don't know if he'll go off a cliff.
(09:16):
I don't know if it'll be a steady decline. I
don't know if we've already been part of the decline.
And it's been covered up by having so many talented
players around him in Tampa. But no man has ever
been able to do it at the same level forever.
And if you look at his actual production, there has
been a drop off this year, next year it is coming.
(09:38):
What is the ild? Was the HBO show um Game
of Thrones? Winners coming, winners coming. I'm not doing the
Kellerman off a cleft four years ago, five years ago.
You know. I feel for my boy Trent Doper, who
called it when he played against Kansas City and he
stuck it to all of us and just has seen
(09:58):
this rebirth. But at some point father time gets his
Father time gets his Will this be the point? How
do you get back out in the field, and if
you don't have your regular offseason while rehabbing and play
with with with that kny, how do you There's a
hunger that was in Tampa, right, Tampa hadn't been good
(10:22):
in twenty years, Bruce arians he had never won it
as a coach. There's a hunger there and Brady obviously
has sustained hunger. He finds a way to do that
six meal a day thing, right, I'm talking about with
super bowls. But lots of guys, now you've made it
now what Rick Stroud joins the show up coming next
(10:44):
Like he Brady made it seem like his knee surgery
was a big deal. We thought it was just a cleanup.
And are we buying that the Buccaneers will actually be
better trying to run it back with everybody back. We'll
discuss next time. Doug Gottlieb, this is the Herd. Be
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Fox Sports Radio, I Heart Radio app. Hopefully you're getting
ready for a great, great weekend. All right, we were
talked about Brady talked about the Buccaneers. A guy who
knows a lot more about it than you and I
do is Rick Stroud. Uh. He governs the box, He's
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the Buccaneers insider, and he joins us uh here in
the herd. Of course, you works for the Tampa ay Times.
And let's let me start with this from the place
for me from the podcast. What Tom Brady said about
his recent knee surgery. I had pretty serious knee surgery
this offseason, which is the first surgery I've had in
about twelve years. So I was really interested to see
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how it was gonna go because last year it just
took a lot. Every week I was kind of tending
to my knee, and I thought I would love to
see a season what it looks like when I'm not,
you know, when I can really focus on some other
strength stuff that I want to do. Some other technique
stuff where I'm not just focused on protecting my knee
all the time. Okay, what what did he have done
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to the knee? Well, hid, let me look through all
the injury reports to see what he was on there.
Oh no, there are none. Um, yeah, that's an interesting one.
We're not really sure. Uh, you know, it was originally
described to me as, oh, it's just a clean up.
Clearly it's more than that, you know. I don't know
if it was a pc L. Who knows, right, we
we've not been told any details about his knee surgery,
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but the fact that he had to spend a lot
of time, um, you know, just getting prepared to practice
and play, would would indicate that it was a little
more than um, you know that Carley's or some residual
from his A c L surgery many many years ago.
So look he Um, My information is he will begin
throwing next week. Um. You know, he has rehabbed that
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things as well as you can. I think it's been
about nine weeks or so, um since his surgery, maybe
maybe about that. So we'll find out just how much
he can do and where he does it, because we
know that you know, he came on the NFLPA conference,
Calm kind of urged people to stay away. So I
don't hope that means another trip to Berkeley preper. What
isn't that weird though? That God, he's leading this charge
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to stay away when last year they were the guys
practicing at the local park because they couldn't get into
the facility. Like wait, what, yeah, I know it's it's
sort of counterintuitive. I mean, even after the union during
COVID and we're trying to negotiate protocol and say, hey, guys,
especially Tom, you guys that are working out on your own,
because you could just stop until we get this. This
thing all hammered out, and he went out there again.
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I was out there and nothing changed. And in fact,
he even posted on Instagram you know, uh the fdrk
not but hear itself. So um, he's been on both
sides of the argument for sure, and UM, you know,
I well, we'll just see here in the next I
guess next week sometime where he decides to do this.
Rick Stroud joining us from tamp A Times covers the Buccaneers,
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has done so for years and does an amazing job.
He joined us in the hurd him Doug Gotlie filling
in for for Colin. Repeating is hard, right, Um, obviously
he knows he's done it, he's succeeded in it. But
this is a crew that, look, they've they've they've dealt
with how to deal with losing, but how to deal
with winnings sometimes can be even more difficult. Is it
a good thing that all twenty two starters are coming
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back next year? Well, I mean I think it is
from a continuity standpoint, you know, I think the downside
is that other teams got better, Um, you know in
various ways, and you know, the Bucks are hoping to
get better because of just the fact they'll have more familiarity.
And you know, in a lot of instances, if you're
talking about in Doma Kong su Um, you know, some
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of these guys are older players, and Gronkowski, Antonio Brown,
you really don't know when that expiration date's gonna pop up.
They've all been sort of, uh, you know, freaks of
nature in a way, even Brady for that matter. Um,
but it's a young man's game. Um. They did it
with a lot of veteran players last year that played
huge roles. Uh, you know, but repeating is tough, and
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there's a reason why it hasn't happened for so many years.
And I just think that, you know, they're gonna get
everybody's best shot. They get a lot of uh you know,
night games, um, primetime games, all of that. But but
they really feel like Doug the date they were just
starting to hit their stride because of all the protocols
and no training camp, all the things Brady had to
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do to learn a new system that you know, they're
getting better on offense and defense. When the Super Bowl
happened and you could see sort of how ready they
were for that game, and and um, you know, the
next morning, in fact, Brady called Clyde Christensen and said, hey,
I think we can be better next year doing this
and this and this. So you know, we've done some things,
getting Joe Bernard receiving running back. Um, you know, but
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I think continuity helps in this situation. For sure. I
do too. I would say the downside is, like you said,
getting everybody's best shots just different. Right when you walk
into a building and you're everybody's biggest game, it's different.
I also think the level of intensity and regular season
football is going to be peaked not just because they're
the Super Bowl champions and they're Tom Brady and whatever,
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but because we have fans in the stands everywhere, right,
And I mean there's some incredible games, incredible atmospheres in
New England probably the most, but also Dallas first game
of the season. Um, but there's also the seventeenth game.
You mentioned it's a young man's game. How do you
how do you account for the seventeen game? Uh, when
they're just there's just a volume of of hits and
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actions on older bodies that at some point lead to
a breakdown. How how can we account for that and
prepare for that? If you're if you're a football fan
or their football players. Well, I mean in this case,
I can only speak to what I see with the
boxes that you know. I think that Bruce arians does
as good a job, um with veteran players as I've
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ever seen. And I think that's why a lot of
guys want to play here, want to play for him
in particular. Um. Look, when you get to a certain age, Um,
it's all about those three hours on Sunday. And most
of these guys know their jobs. You know how to
play football, you know how to prepare but it's about
body maintenance. Um. You know, I know you see in
the NBA all the time, but I mean, really, I
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think the NFL is going to that. They spent a
million dollars on sports science anythink, from sleep to de
id ration, all of those studies they do. Um. And
you know, Bruce, I think even with Tom Brady towards
the end of the year, he wasn't practicing on Wednesdays,
just one going out there and that's something that I
don't think you know, he necessarily embraced right away, but
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they wound up preserving him. We know now he had
a serious injury. So um, you know for these guys,
and the bye week is is not as late as
it was a year ago after week twelve, Um, this year,
it's about in the middle of the season. But it's
gonna be a long year, there's no doubt about it.
And if you if you plan on going to the
postseason even longer. So, um, it's one that no no
players had to navigate. There's one less preseason game, but
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there was no preseason a year ago, so we'll just
have to see, you know, uh, to war of attrition
out there. Man, how many stars get hurt. Who's gonna
be left? And that's that's a big part of the battle,
is who's standing. I mean, look at Kansas City. You know,
they had so many injuries on the offensive line. There's
no way that could compete against the Bucks. And the
Bucks got Vita Van back you know, at a at
a perfect time in the championship. So all that's part
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of it. Doug Allie been for Colin. Uh, this is
the herd. That's voice of Rick Stroud, Bucks insider for
the Tampa Bay Times. You mentioned Geo Bernard. I mean,
maybe it's even more more impressive what they were able
to do considering they didn't have that type of running
back last year, like Watchington and trying to throw the
ball to Leonon Fournette was painful. Like handed to Leonon
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Fournette very good. Throw it to Leonon for Nette not
not so good? Uh? Does that upset the apple cart though?
In anyway? Well, I think, you know, I think that
Bernard's going to have a big role. I mean, prior
to hit some coming here, he completed a hunter Ballsters
running back. The previous four or five years, he just
couldn't do that. I mean, I think between you know,
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Ronald Jones, who was anything but a natural pass catcher,
and Fournette, I know, he's caught seventy balls, mostly in
the screen variety. I mean, those guys had unofficially at
least fourteen drops, and those usually come on third down.
They get you off the field. You know. You think
back to games like New Orleans when they went four
straight three and out. So, I mean there's a lot
of drop opportunities there. So Bernard puts Tom back in
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his comfort zone where he's got a guy who's who's
used to running routes. Uh, he knows where his leverage is, Uh,
you know, is productive after the catch. Um, you know,
somebody like James White who was a teammate of his
back in high school. So I think this is really
a nice addition when you talk about what the Bucks
can look forward to. That's one of those editions they've
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made that will make them harder to defend. They opened
the year with with the Dallas Cowboys. But the big
game that everybody's talking about is the fourth game of
the season in New England. Um, what do you think
that would be like for Brady? Well, it's gonna be
emotional for him. I mean, There's no doubt about it.
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He's an emotional guy and I think you see that
when he when he plays on Sundays or in this case, uh,
you know, Sunday night, and um, look, I know it's
been something to watch and from a fart, I've watched
this guy's career, been to all the Super Bowls, and
he's very impressive. But when you see him every day
with his teammates even more impressive. The guys on this
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football team, and in a short time, even with Covid
not being able to hang out, have such respect for
him now for what he's accomplished. He's helped put rings
on all their fingers. They don't want to be the
guy that disappoints him. I mean they really don't. It's
that simple. And uh, you know he can coach every
position and does so quite often. I just think those
guys will understand what that game means to him, the
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magnitude of that. Um, they'll they'll have their best weeks
of practice. Uh. They probably think they're a better football
team than than Patriots. Let's see whether they are or
not in Week four. I think the bigger factor is
they've got maybe their biggest game of the year. The
week before they go to l A and play the Rams,
and you know, uh, that could end up being one
that determines don't feel advantaged down the road. So you know,
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flying across country, cross across country in a short week,
that might be more of a factor than this emotion
that Brady has to play with. It's gonna be interesting
to have. There's some soft parts to schedule. I think
a lot of it depends upon the The NFC South
is fascinating to me because we all are operating under
the assumption that the Saints take a step back. The
Caroline is still not there that the Falcons are. But
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if you I mean the Falcons defend, couldn't be any
worse than last year, right, it has to be better,
uh Carolina, as they were surprisingly decent last year. I
think it's an upgraded quarterback, but they only had Christian
McCaffrey for three games, and they definitely upgraded the wide
receiver corps as well as most of the personnel and
the Saints and we had at least offer up the
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possibility they could be better because Drew Brees was limited.
Is it possible that we are downplaying the NFC? I
think most people think they're gonna dominate the NFC South.
Is it possible we're downplaying the NFC South? Oh? I
think so? I mean, okay, I think Carolina had a
lot of work to do on defense. I don't know
if they addressed that or not, but certainly they got
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a new quarterback I like. I like their head coach, um.
But Atlanta's got a guy that's been there, done that.
Their offensive weapons are are well documented. Um, they've got
some pieces on defense. These teams, when they play in
the division, you know, you lose that sort of fear factor, right.
I mean, they know each other so well, They've been
on the grass with each other so many times. They're
really tough games no matter who you play or where
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you play them. And for New Orleans, I mean, let's
not forget who the head coach is. Now. You know,
Sean payton Um has done this with backup quarterbacks, with
third string quarterbacks. To me, all I know is that
two years ago he won four games or five games
with Teddy Bridgewater didn't lose any of them. Last year
he had Taysom Hill and maybe Jamis Winston at times
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off the bench and they went three and one. So
You're right about the downfield threat. Wasn't there for the
New Orleans Saints, especially in the playoff games. You could
roll up on them, dare them to throw the ball
behind you, and Breese couldn't do it. I assure you
Jamis Winston can do it. I watched him do it
for five thousand yards of Tampa. Yeah, he threw a
lot of interceptions, but if that can be coached out
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of him those bad decisions, they're gonna be a threat
next year. And they've won the division four years in
a row, so they're not just gonna roll over and
hand it to the Bucks. I think you know they
wanted to avenge the playoff loss. Uh they swept those
guys with Tom Brady. The worst beating they got was
in Tampa thirty three on a Monday night. So uh yeah,
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I would not dismiss the Saints or even the NFC
South at this point. Ricky the best. I hope you're
enjoying a great spring and an awesome summer in Tampa.
Can't wait to talk more as we get ready for
football season. Thanks so much for being our guests. Thanks
Tommy Doug alright, pleasures mind Rick Stroud, good dude. Uh, excellent,
excellent reporter covering the Buccaneers for the Tampa Bay Times.
Let's get to Ryan Music with the news. Turn on
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the news. This is the herd Line News. All right, Doug,
you spent a lot of time. They're talking about Tom Brady,
which naturally means we got to talk some Aaron Rogers.
We haven't seen much in terms of whether or not
he's actually going to get traded. You seem to be
firmly in the camp that he's not going to get traded. Well,
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Ricky minicamps are under way, and so the Packers have
their rookie minicamp. Obviously Aaron Rodgers not they're not a rookie,
but it's head coach Matt Ville. Floor was there and
he did speak about the Aaron Rodgers situation. I've got
nothing new to update, and we still obviously feel the
same way. It's, uh, you know, we want him back
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in the worst way. I know he knows that, and um,
you know, we we'll continue to work at it each
and every day. No news is good news, I suppose, yeah.
I mean, I's just there's there's nothing you can say
that's not gonna be parsed. Right, nothing is saying that
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can be parsed, So, um, well, I don't, I don't,
I I can't. I can't take any anything from what
that that was. Just what's the what's the most I
can say while saying the least congratulations you win the day. Yeah,
I mean to Mount Lafleur's point, there have been a
lot of reports about just how the packers um operate,
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and I know one I believe it came from Mike
Silver a couple of weeks ago, where he said, you know,
whereas most NFL teams are progressing to the point where
they're everyone works collaboratively, Green Bay is still very much
one of those operations where everything is separate, and that
Matt Lafleur was just as surprised for the trade up
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to select Jordan's love as Aaron Rodgers was. So he's
been putting this sort of rock and a hard place between.
You know, his boss is obviously good Akunts who's making
those decisions, but also as the head coach, he knows
that Aaron Rodgers is obviously going to give him the
best chance to be successful right now, so you know
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he's he's left with trying to manage keeping Aaron Rodgers happy,
while also not turning his back on his boss. Oh um.
By the way, Mott Lafleur also added this on the
signing of Blake Bortles. Shoot, he led his team to
the a f C Championship game and they almost knocked
off the Patriots. So there you go. They have the
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ball a fifty seconds ago at the end of the
first half and chose to take a knee. Is that
not what you want to do now? Now, hey, we
want to keep Tom Brady out the field like he
wasn't gonna be on the field there, dude, you know,
well unless uh but we saw we saw the Niners
do that. Jimmy Garoppolo tells you all you need to know,
right exactly, But no, he's he's right, Like, look, he's
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not a chump. He's a guy with a resume, just
not a recent one. Yeah, and and Colin had brought
this up yesterday. I believe it was not necessarily great
news for Jordan's Love. Now. I know you want a
veteran guy there, but if you feel good about Jordan's
Love to not be a complete and total disaster, you
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probably could get away with signing someone else. I don't know.
I mean, look, we go through all of these rosters,
all of them, you're gonna find somebody who's the third
string quarterback. You're like, man, he he used the ball
out what hour? He was a highly out to guy.
I go through, literally go through a give me, give
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me a team, let's go. I guess here, here's what
I mean. Like, look, look, Nick Foles is the other
quarterback in Chicago Super Bowl m v P. Alright, so
give me another give me, give me another team. Um,
let's go with the Chargers. I don't know Eastern Stix
their third sting quarterback, But once upon a time Eastern
(29:23):
Stick was like, well, maybe he could be the next quarterback, right,
I don't, I don't you know, I don't, I don't know. Yeah, no,
I mean it's and and look, I guess what you're
saying is is, if you're the Packers and you have
a win now team, it's much better to have multiple
backups that you think you can work off of to
get to keep things afloat if something happens to Aaron Rodgers,
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as opposed to just putting all your eggs into one basket,
especially considering the way things all right, I even think
that's overthinking it. You need camp arms, you need guys.
You Also, he has a relationship with I think he's
offensive quarding or quarterback coaches in Jacksonville when he was there, right,
So he needs somebody who like I don't have to
sit down and explain everything too. He could gotta be
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a coach. And remember, like Jordan loves gonna need coaching.
And if Aaron's not there, he needs another veteran who's
gonna sit there and and and hold his hand. Like, look,
if you thought Jordan's Love was gonna play in his
first two year, you didn't talk to anybody in the NFL.
He was a year away from being a year away.
He was at least two years away. He played one
good year in college, one disappointing year with the coaching
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change at Utah State. He's got a really tough personal
story growing up. I think it was Bakersfield, right. His
dad was a cop who killed himself. Well, while he
was at an Au basketball games fourteen years old, kind
of the whole community raised him. Like he's been through
some stuff now and this is he had to learn
how to play courterback, but has had talent. He was
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a lot like justin fields trade Lance type. Going back
to last year, we're like, man, he could see him,
but there's some things he needs to clean up, so
I don't. I don't. And it says anything about Trey
Lance last year he couldn't play a preseason game. They
couldn't really see what they had. So we'll see, but
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their expectations are for next year to be the year.
Maybe he's a bust. It's very, very possible to hit
rate on first round draft picks. Is that's not really
counting quarterbacks? And that's right. Music with the news. Well
that's the news, and thanks for stoping thirdline news. Um,
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is Ted Lasso a a a sitcom? It's a question
for you, a question Ryan? Is Ted Lasso sitcom? Um? Well,
I've never watched Ted lass so so I'm not sure.
I know it's obviously a comedy. I'm not a The
situation is Ted Lasso is a Division two football coach
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who becomes a Premier league soccer coach or footie football
coach in England. That's a situation. It's a comedy. So
it's a situation comedy, isn't it? Like my m hm,
he let's see I'm reading an article here on ted Lasso.
(32:14):
The executive producers wanted to distinctly make a non sitcom sitcom.
What does that mean. I don't know. I don't know
if it's a situational comment. It's a very good show. Now.
I do think Colin started watching it last week. Last
we came a Sunday, which is interesting because I started
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watching last Friday and tweeted about it and called him
and texted him about it, and I'm just I don't
know if that was the seed, and everybody has talked
about it, but there are several people that I know
and like in the media that have I'm just I'm
not saying I was the first one. Lots of people.
I'm way late on it. Well, so really good. One
of the things about sitcoms was they always used to
(32:55):
have that studio audience, right like that was one of
the things that used to kind of be an element
in sitcoms. That's no longer the case. No, no somewhere
for they would say this was filmed and from a
live studio, but someone have the canned laugh. Well that's
what I mean, Yeah, the canned laughter. The can laughter
is in front of us live studio audience. That's fake lack.
Can laughter means fake laughter means from a button of
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a computer, live studio audiences, live studio audience. I don't
know if that. I don't think that mattered, Like um,
like Candle, didn't Seinfeld have canned laughter or seinfeldt live
studio audience. I know it had to be can laughter, right,
I think so? Yeah? I mean I think Sitcom is
a situational comedy. I think it's well we're bringing up
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because coming up next there is a Friends reunion that
apparently is gonna gonna gonna air. Now. I don't like
reunion shows. I can't think of one that I've watched.
I can't think of one that anyone's ever said, like,
you know, who was really good? Was the Reunion show?
It was great, even it was even uncomfortable. The Saturday
(33:58):
Night Live and you when they brought Eddie Murphy back,
even that was super uncomfortable. But it does allow for
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This is the Herd. I hope you're having a great day,
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Ryan Music who's producing now for Colin obviously producing us today.
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He's probably wondering, like, man, why did you break early?
That's because when I do this show, I always pinch
the very last segment, which is my favorite segment. That's
why we call it the Best for Last. It's almost
the end of the show, but that doesn't mean we're
phoning it in. Nope, we grind to the very last segment.
It's time for best for Last. Okay, so here's what
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we we we did. This is the best less and
this is very much open for discussion and debate over
people who will disagree with me but that they're wrong. Okay.
I I don't know about you, but like I think
the days of the network sitcom being a thing are
probably over right. They've gone the way of the dodo
there the uh the they're the You ever seen one
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of these things where there's a phone and there's a
dial pad attached and you can put a coin in
you mean a pay phone? Yes, those things like that's
like the situation comedy that said, uh there is there's
a Friends Reunion, which it's gonna be on HBO Max.
And if you think Friends isn't popular, all you have
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to do is take a look at Netflix. When they
had Friends on Netflix and the Office on Netflix, it
exploded the popularity of Netflix for the younger generation that
didn't see it on its and look, Friends is on
every day on cable television. People don't watch it. So
what we did we beating me compiled a list me
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because Ryan musically doesn't agree with me. It's okay, he's
not old enough to really understand. Somebody said the top
ten sitcoms of all time, let's get to number ten,
Number ten Friends, Friends. Um. They tried spinoff shows. None
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of them worked. Huh. I'm trying to think, you know,
outside of was it was it Marty was Marty the
giraffe in Madagascar, I'm trying to think of that, um
out outside of doing voiceovers. Jennifer Anderson is really the
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only one who's seen a ton of prominence after that show.
So it's one of the things that I mean, I
guess part of it was they got typecast. Part of
it is also um uh. Part of it is also
the fact that they made so much money and still
makes so much money. Like, do you really have to
work anymore? I think the answer is probably no. Um. Anyway,
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Friends are great show. I I would say Friends is
probably the last of the great situation comedies on television
for that age of for that age of viewer, because
now like that was on when I was in college,
right that was that was an eighteen to thirty show
or eighteen to forty show. And that's why all of
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us are now adults. We still watch back and go
seven seven seven or we were on a break, like,
all of those things resonate with us. I think it's
the last of the Mohicans, if you will, but I
don't think it rises to the level of some of
the other shows. Let's get to number nine, number nine,
Sanford and Son. Again, this is old school, um. It
(40:04):
was among the first shows starring two black men, and
of course it started a famous comedian in Red Fox,
and it was hilarious, hilarious Sandford and Son at nine.
Number eight Curb. Now, Curb is a hard one because
(40:24):
it was an HBO show. Obviously, Larry David one of
the creators of Seinfeld, and a lot of the bizarreness
of Larry is what Seinfeld was based upon. And I
know we have a tough time comparing it to network
situation comedies, but it was a situation comedy and in
(40:48):
much the Seinfeld kind of realm it was what was
it really about? Nothing? Something, but we can all relate
to it. Number seven Mash Mash. Now, to those of
you are like mash really, I mean I probably have
mashed too low. The final episode of Mashes the highest
(41:09):
rated show in the history television. Right, So, um, I'm
a little late to the mass generation. It did have
canned laughter. Uh, but it was an amazing show and
many of those character names and have become like adjectives
(41:33):
and they still worked to this day. Number six Frasier. Now,
Frasier was a spinoff from Cheers. Dr Frasier Crane. It
also anybody else kind of fall in love with Seattle
because of Frasier. Right, Uh, you had the dad, you
had the dog, you had the brother, Niles. You know,
(41:53):
you had niles wife who spoiler alert, eventually he leaves
the wife for Daphne, who he had a long love
interest in and then ultimately love affair with Fraser. Also
a radio show host, a talk show host with an incredible,
incredible voice. Chelsea Grammer of course became you know, he
(42:15):
was the was he the voice of side show Bob
as well. At the sideshow bar right in Simpson's Yeah
I'm Fraser at six number five The Office Now I
hate to be that guy, and I don't hate to
be that guy. The British version with Ricky Gervais I
still think is funnier. But the Office is pretty damn funny.
(42:36):
I mean it's and look at people, look at people's careers,
how they have exploded from it. And though obviously a
lot of it, like most situation comedies, is over the top. Man,
the office is awesome, just the awkwardness of inner office relationship. Now,
what's crazy about it is are we ever gonna have
(42:57):
offices like the Office ever? Again? It right? Like I
don't know about your work, but like we have offices
that are not open that may never open again. Why
when you can do everything? Honestly, now, people don't know
how to talk to each other on the phone anymore.
They don't have, you know, meetings on the phone. That
everything is on zoom. So I don't know if you
ever have offices, I don't know if it's as relatable
(43:19):
ten years from now, Like what is it? Why would
you go into an office? Number four? The Simpsons, The
Simson's dne Done don't I mean the Simpsons is one
still hysterical too. They long time, you know, well before
(43:42):
many of these cartoon shows pushed the bounds of like
family Guy, of what's acceptable. The Simpsons did the same
years and years, and they've predicted the future. It's a
brilliant show that's still on. I probably haven't underrated it. Four.
Number three on the Family. And look, if you're the
two guys working with me today, they've never seen in
(44:04):
All the Family. They don't understand uh oh you have okay, yeah,
All in the Family in terms of political incorrectness and
dealing with uh, religious relationships, race relationships. Um Archie Bunker
is one of the most interesting and funny and iconic
(44:27):
characters in the history of television. And oh yeah, by
the way, look at all of the look at all
the people that are on that show. All in the Family.
And my my dad used to fall asleep to it
every night. Number two Seinfeld, Yeah, and I I Seinfeld
is too. I love Seinfeld. I love it. And there's
a there's a whole thing that I do on my show,
The Doug Gotlip Show, which airs after this show, which
(44:49):
is when art imitates life and when life imitates Seinfeld.
There are so many different you know, it was cold,
First Avenue, in First Street, the nexus of the Universe.
I mean, you name it, the show about nothing, was
about something. It was hysterical. But it's number two because
number one is number one Cheers. So here's my thing
(45:13):
on Cheers one. Hysterical to launch careers like that of
Woody Harrelson, Um three. It had great spinoffs like that
of Frasier. For its survived. The lead female changed after
like four or five seasons. I changed after four or
five seasons and it was still good and maybe even better.
(45:36):
How do you do that? Like, I know, the Fresh
Friends changed Aunt Vibbs after the first year, but this
wasn't after the first year. It was a wildly successful
show that changed leads. So Friends ten, San Francu nine,
Curb eight, Mash seven, Fraser six, Office five, Simpsons four,
All in the Family three, Seinfeld two, Cheers one. That's
(45:57):
the best for last major issues, major issues, Feel free,
Patrick Buckeye Pat five, says Cheers in Seinfeld for me,
there you go, I'm with it. Look you can we
can have these discussions on social media all weekend long.
We're like a week away, aren't we a week away
from the NBA playing games getting started. If it's me,
(46:21):
I'm the Lakers, I'm okay with it. We're not gonna
lose a game, even if we see Steph Curry. We're
that good. And if that gives us the seventh seed
and we play the Phoenix Suns, great, we match up
great with the Suns. I get the attrition, and that's
really what the Lakers fear is the attrition of extra
games on bodies that are not yet sharp and have
(46:42):
broken down. Which I think the attrition is the big
story this year in the NFL. With the seventeenth game
Collins back on Monday, you can check out the All
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