June 2, 2021 • 38 mins
Doug Gottlieb weighs in on Coach K’s announcement that he will retire at the end of next season and explains why we are seeing a trend among the sport’s longest-tenured coaches finally calling it quits. He talks about another costly injury in the NBA and speaks with Daniel Jeremiah about the futures for Julio Jones and Aaron Rodgers. Plus, he shares his thoughts on Damian Lillard's historic night on Tuesday.
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you're listening to Fox Sports Radio? What up Tug Gotleap Show?
Fox Sports Radio? Um, what an interesting, interesting time in sports? Right?
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Interesting time in sports. Roy Williams retired, and um, it's
always fascinating me. I five years ago I said, Hey,
there's people in basketball talking about Roy Williams might retire,
but if he does it, he'll walk away, So Hubert
Davis gets it. I was wrong on the timeline because
he had had to have knee replacement surgery and he
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had lost his best friend, part of the group he
travels with in the summer, but I was right in
terms of the he was worn down by the Sport
Today news came out about Mike Chazchewski was gonna step
down at the end of this coming season, and this,
of course a couple months after Roy Williams did announced
that last year was his last year. Get to that
in a second. First, there's no such thing as a
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ticket paid for by NITZA uh. Jeff Goodman broke the
story that Mike Shazewski has decided to retire after this
coming season, and apparently John Shire, who, of course, like
Mike Szchewsky from Chicago, play point guard for Schechevski when
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they won a national title, is going to be the
head coach in waiting. Agent Janowski said Duke has talked
outside candidates before placing Szewsky, Tommy Amaker and others. Shires
Duke's choice to replace coach k He was a lead
recruiter in Jayson Tatum and Zion Williamson. So there's a
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couple of things. One, there's the sea change in college basketball, right,
but college basketball, even more so than college football, you
have institutions guys that have been there. I mean, Jim
Beheim has been in Circus for forty years, forty years.
You know My Schowski over thirty, and you know Roy
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Williams had only been at two places, and granted had
only been twenty years at at North Carolina, but he
was also a student there and a manager there and
assistant coach there. So there's a combined like thirty five
forty years there yet institutions. So Duke and Carolina and Indiana,
three of the three of the ten greatest college basketball programs,
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all gonna have new coaches. So too will Arizona, Oklahoma, Marquette, Texas.
Duke obviously one more year, but what a crazy sort
of end to it for Mike Schevski. Um So, So,
I look, I I don't think I know there's a
litany of reasons why one at some point you do
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were like, okay, I'm good. You know I'm good. Like
I think Jim Beheim frankly would have retired if not
for the fact he gets coaches kids. But the idea
of always having something you get to your seventies, you've
got grandkids, you know, you want to go live a
little bit. Totally understand it. But I also think there's
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a little something or a good a good portion of
something to where we're going with the sport. With sports,
like if you don't think there's a correlation between Szewski
and Roy Williams retiring about the same time. It's not
just their age. If you don't think there's a correlation
with between Szchewski and Brad Stevens both stepping aside on
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the same day, you're not paying attention. It doesn't mean
that the new way is wrong. It's the way the
entitlement which has always kind of been there. But like, look,
this is what we've done to teachers for the last
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twenty years. Is what we're doing two coaches. If something
goes wrong, it is always the coach's fault. First kid
gets in trouble at school, teacher, I mean, come on,
what are you doing right? And and I'll be honest,
like as a parent, I have to check myself so
I'm not guilty of it because I see my kid
at home. I know his you know my my kid's
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flaws an idiot, so I know what's possible and reasonable.
But sometimes you're like, he they did what my kid?
No way. Then I think to himself, like that's something
that I would have done if I was in this time.
But that if you don't think that this is part
of it, he only is part of it. That Mike Sachowski,
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and some of it is he's a victim of his
own success. They weren't able to get those elite level
one and done. Then they did Kyrie Irving is one
didn't have great success with him, but he wasn't healthy
the whole time. They got beaten by Arizona in the
in the NCA Tournament. Then they were able to succeed
and win a championship. And even though they didn't win
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a championship with Zion, they would be the talk of
the of of the college, maybe the entire basketball world.
Zion made them likable again. But then this year it
blew up. He had a one and done that wasn't
all in. It seemed like he kind of ruined their
their year, just the lack of connection. Al Right, then
he couldn't get the same player's best friend Adam Milwaukee
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and said played with his player, is gonna play for
his daddy, had Milwaukee, Like all of these things are related.
It's not I'm spoiled that I'm not getting my recruits
and I'm taking my but like I don't know, it's
just not what he's about. And and is there a
certain level of hypocrisy when you're taking six seven million
dollars a year, I guess. But when you've been doing
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it for that long, you're that successful. It's all based
upon your name. But let's be honest, like duke's names
is anonyms with Mike Schevski. You can sit here and
tell me that duke players don't benefit from it, but
that's a bunch of crap. They all do. They're all
on TV covering the sport that they played and played well,
or coaching the sport, or in the commissioners. A dukie
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once you're in, it's like skulls. Once you're in, your in.
But it's because the success that Schewski has been able
to breed there, and when you've done it for thirty
five years, you're going to be overcompensated. Reasonable, but it
is not. I do not believe in coincidences like that.
Oh they must. Yeah, Brad Stevens and and did you
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notice Brad Stevens he could have had the Indian job,
didn't want it. He could have had the Duke job,
adn't want There is something amiss with how we treat
that age of player and how that age of players
coach is being treated that some of the best and brightest,
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who it should be in their bones to want to
do it, are like, yeah, I'm good, I'm good. Brad
Stevens is from Indiana. He went to De Paul University
and he coached that butler a chance to be the
head coach with a with a blank check at IU,
and he didn't even blink about it. He's like, nah,
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like you know you might get fired. Like now, I'm good.
Duke comes open. The day, all this goes down and
again it had been brewing and percolating for a while.
Brad season was interested. What what does that tell you
about the profession? What does it tell you about the profession?
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You know, I do think they probably had to call
reach out to Brad Stevens. You know, Amaker has been
successful obviously at Harvard, and you're successful with Sten Hall.
Not as much at at Michigan coming off probation. Johnny
Dawkins has been successful in Central Florida, wasn't great at Stanford,
but did get him to the tournament. Um, I mean,
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look a year ago or two years ago, who Joe
would have been? It would have been argument with woe Joe.
Obviously he lost his job, but wouldn't stun me if
he's back there right as part of that the new
the new staff. But this is gonna be interesting to
see how it comes to a close for Duke. Who
do they play? What's it like when he walks out
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the door. I guess it's gonna leave Beyheim still standing.
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a small meniscus tear in his right knee. He'll be
day to day. The team says he's out for game
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five tonight. Stop me if you hear him before. But
Joel Embiid injured right in opportune time. And you know,
you coupled this with the whole Anthony Davis, you know,
street street clothes, Anthony Davis, And you're like, what what
is the deal with these guys? And I just I
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just think it's obvious. I think it's you know, if
you don't take care of your body, if you're not
a fanatic about it, especially bigger guys, they have a
tendency to break down. More human body is not supposed
to be as big as that they are, and the
bigger they are, it's not just the heart they fall
as the cliche, but it feels like the more often
injured they are, especially when you don't spend special attention
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to detail, and what we know about Joel Embiid was
we all would say, like, look, if you've got a
little bit better shape, how much better would he be?
And Anthony Davis, I think that it's not that he's
not in good shape. He's just not the picture of
health that Lebron is. And while Lebron gotta hurt this year,
he's been hurt twice in twenty years. I think there's
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something very much related somebody's um ability to not get
hurt or play through Nixon cuts and bangs and bruises
your your body's ability to regenerate. A lot of that
is is how how much you take care of it,
how much you take care of it. Because one injury
does beget another injury, does be get another injury? Does
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we get another injury. It doesn't mean these guys are
you know, like Sean Kemp after the lockout. Do you
guys remember Sean Kemp up to lockout. He's just he
gained like forty pounds and he's just never the same.
This body broke down on him. It's not like that.
But it's the special attention to detail to your body
that some guys having. Some guys don't be sure to
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catch the live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Last night,
bay Or, did you think going into the game that
the Lakers would win? I didn't have a great feeling
for them in that game. Didn't know if it would
be a Lebron takeover game, but I didn't think it
would play out the way that it did. God, it
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was bad. It was that was I did. They were
never really in it. There was a stretch they went
on six Phenix run the first quarter. I was like, well,
that's that. There was also the point at the end
of the first quarter, and I think it was it
was Booker Payne hit a shot like right at the
buzzer to making a five point game into an eight
point game. And then they came out early in the
second and all of a sudden midway through the quarter,
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You're like, the Lakers have scored two points in the
first six minutes and now this is like a twenty
something game. It was. It was pretty shocking. It was.
Let's welcome in Daniel Jeremiah who joins us DJ. Do
you watch hand Laker? Must say, I'll be honestly Doug.
I have not watched one minute of of of NBA playoffs,
so I've totally totally been away from its. Smoke last night.
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We got smoke last night. I mean, we just it
is one of those things. It's a little bit like,
you know, I don't know if we'll get to that
place with Brady, but you'd expect at some point where
you're like, all right, Lebron's gonna bail us out tonight,
and he just couldn't just just couldn't die. I don't
think he and he did have six threes last night,
but mostly I think all in that third quarter when
the game was already kind of decided. Um. But it's
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it's one of those deals where like if if you
think that dude is going to be the dude forever,
you're basically telling me that science, basic science is completely wrong,
and it's not. It's undefeated. You know, I'd be curious
to see what what happens with them going forward, is
not just this year, but next year. I did see
the I did see Barkley's line on Anthony Davis. I
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thought that was funny. Yeah, well, what is he can't
make the can't make the club? If you're in the
tub or what was it that can't make the club
on the tub? Can't make the club in the tub.
Let's let's talk about about making the club. Let's start
with the with with with Julio Jones. He essentially has
to either have his contract where he worked or be traded,
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but probably reworked and traded is what will happen because
there's in such salary cap hell mhm um, Seattle's talking
about it. You know, obviously that would be acquiescing some
to to Russell Wilson, I'm not sure if it's told
need based, but I mean should the packers, like who
else should be engaged in this thing? Well? The two
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teams and Bucky and I talked about this today on
the Move the Sticks, which was you hear the Titans
and you hear the Seahawks, And to me, I almost
like the Seahawks thing makes sense if you figure out
you know, everybody talks to round league expects it will
be for a second round pick. Um. You know, look,
when you have to give up a second round pick,
it's gonna hit your cap. He's gonna want a new deal.
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He's thirty two years old, his GPS numbers for the
last three years have gone down each year. Um, you
know it's it's to me, it's kind of a it's
in kind of all or nothing aggressive play. Um, And
it makes sense on the timetable. When you look at
Seattle decks, they've got no first round pick next year. Um,
they've got I believe, no third round pick either. So
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now they're sitting there going you're gonna part with a
second pick, or maybe they have no fourth round pick,
but they're part of the second pick. I think they'd
be left with just the third one point, you know,
to the first four rounds. It kind of makes sense
to do it and then just kind of all your
chips in Russell Wilson the last Dance. Seriously, if you
can do it, and then if it doesn't work, that
would be the time to me where you trade Russ
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and you as many picks as you can and you
rebuild that team. Yeah. I guess that. The question then
becomes um like like, what do you do? What do
you do with his next because he's gonna want to
rework contract, right, So I mean, so, what do you
do with Julio Jones If in fact you get him
and you have to have that rework contract. Yeah, that's
definitely what he's gonna want to do. I would, I
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would know if you look at the Seattle situation to me,
I would, you know, probably try and massage that and
just just let it be known. It is what it
is like. This is a one year, go for it
type situation. But you know, everybody you talked to says
that you know, for him, the step on the field,
that's what he's gonna want is a new deal artist. Man,
it's a lot to give. The compensation in every way
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you look at it for draft a compensation as well
as the money and in the space on your cap
for a for a receiver who's really good, but you
know this is you know he's not. He's not close
to what he used to be, right. It's a young
man's game, right and for that for that money, you
can go out and get a bunch of dudes. Um,
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what do you think ultimately Atlanta does Oh? I think
I think they will trade him, you know, I you know,
I'd just be curious to see what they end up
getting in terms of a draft pick. I know, you know,
some teams that I've talked to said there's no way
you considering all that you have to do, you know,
to to squeeze him. Man, that I would give up
a second round pick, So I'm curious to see what
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that ultimately ends up being. Doug otleib show here on
Fox Sport Trade. That's the voice of Dana Jeremiah. Haven't
heard anything on the Aaron Rodgers front. Um. There was
a report out of the athletic that they're not trading
him unless they really thought he was never going to
play for the Packers, and they don't think that's the case.
What are you hearing? Yeah, I haven't heard any things late.
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You know, it's been kind of quiet on that front.
But you know, I feel like we've both been kind
of in the same camp on this for a while,
which is we're not trading. If you're gonna play football anymore,
it's going to be with us. So you know, we're
trying to give an alive branch here, get you a
new contract, but at the end of the day, you're
not gonna be able to force your way out of here.
So I just I don't see this really ending any
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other way. So, um, when do you think he shows up?
I think the last minute, you know, I think you
get to the start of training camp and and I
think that's probably when he would he would come in.
I think that's when his leverage disappears. So at some
point in time he should be like, Okay, look, I
might not be happy here, but make him pay us.
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You want to call it a snowboot tax. I'm gonna
live in Green Bay and for his month, let off
Copley and I want a snowboot tax. Give me a
new deal. That's kind of where I think that ends
up happening. There's been people that are critical of of
urban Meyer and you know the Travis E. T n
when they drafted him, he said, they look him, it's
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the third down back. Now he's out with the wide receivers.
Do they know what they're doing in Jacksonville, that's the question.
They know what they're doing. I think it's TV. I
think how this whole thing comes together. I do, uh,
I do think we're talking another thing we're talking about today,
which was if you look at Labiska Chenault when he
was at Colorado, a doug like they used him in
some Wildcats stuff. And now you're talking about a guy
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who's whatever he is almost six three two or twenty
five pounds, who's a four three guy who can line up,
line up back there and do all those things. Like
I just have a hard time to maagine and they're
going to choose to put Tebow in that roll over
somebody like Labiska Chennault. Um. So you know, look, I
think there's a lot of talk about Tebow. There's you know,
how are they gonna use Travis c Tn. You can
experiment with things in the spring, I would imagine it'll
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be a little bit more conventional once we get to uh,
once we get to the real games. Big Ben came
out yesterday and just happened to throw out, Hey, you know,
I had my elbow completely reconstructed. Now we all knew
that there was something that Tommy John unlike surgery kind
of classic Big Ben with with the you know, like,
you know my arm bob was still off and then
I had it reconstructed. But does this give us a
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better sense for just how bad it was and that
he can actually get back closer to who used to be. Yeah,
I mean even if it wasn't to that level of
a surgery, it's just being a year removed, you know,
from any surgery it's gonna be He's gonna be better. Um,
So you know, I'm I'm I'm somewhat optimistic there that
he'll be able to push the ball down the field.
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You know, he didn't. He couldn't do it last year.
You saw the once we got to the last month
of the season, the field just shrunk and Teems did
not honor that or respect that. Then they were done
once that happened. So, yeah, you hope that that he
gets a little bit more on it so he can
expand the field a little bit. Because if he does,
look at the numbers that Clay Poll put up last
year and then imagine, if you know, Ben's just better
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and can get the ball down the field, that dude's
gonna end up being one of the best receivers in football. Yeah,
it's gonna be gonna be pretty pretty and pretty incredible. Um,
speaking of Atlanta, didn't they do you think they just
you know, did they draft Antonio assuming Julio Jones replacement? Right?
Doesn't that feel like what they actually did? We thought
tight end? But really he's Antonio Julio Jones a replacement. Yeah, No,
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I think when you look at that, what you can
do with Pitts. I mean, Julio is an ultimate mismatch player.
Now you've got a type of mismatch player. And I
think you get better matchups with the tight end right
now than you do with the white out. So I
thought that target share to kind of get a look
at it from maybe a fancy type of a perspective.
The target share, I would think with would be picked
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up here by Kyle Pitts. And now you've got Kyle
Pits on safeties and linebackers, which is even more advantageous
than Julio Jones or corners. Okay, help me out with
the Patriots, Um, there's been talk of them with Julio Jones.
I don't see that, but maybe what what is your
sense of what they're actually gonna end up? Like, what's
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the game plan going in? I think they're gonna I
think everybody's gonna spend this whole training camp, you know,
talking about who's going to be the quarterback and you
know what this offense is gonna is gonna look like.
And they're quietly just kind of to me, everything points
to the to the old school formula. They're gonna play
great defense, special teams will be the best in football,
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and they're gonna run the football, Like I really think
that's what they're gonna do. And they you know, they've
got tight ends now with some easy completions in there. Um,
I just you know, I think we're gonna it wouldn't
make sense to me for Julio Jones with them, it
just it just doesn't. It just doesn't matter if it
doesn't fit what they want to do. What what in
your mind, Damn Jeremiah is our guest in the Doug
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Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What in your
mind should be the number for a new Baker Mayfield contract? Wow?
I haven't even uh, I haven't even thought about it.
I mean, when you what was it? I feel I
feel like give me, let me, let me interrupt just
one second. Right. Lamar is a hard one because even
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though he hasn't he's missed a game or two, right,
he hadn't even been hurt. You do wonder ultimately like
he runs a lot, he's gonna get hurt or it's
gonna wear him down, and there's a ceiling there. But
he's been the m v P of the league, right,
so we can undersell what he's done in the playoffs.
They want to they want to come from behind playoff
game last year. Um Baker, I think is the guy
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because you know he they got to the playoffs. He's
gotten better, but no one thinks that he's an elite guy.
You want to keep him because he's your guy, he's
your formidable, but you don't. He's not a thirty five
for your million year guy, no matter what you want
to tell me. So I guess, how do you how
do you even approach that? I mean, to me, I'm
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looking at I'm looking at low low thirties, which even
sounds huge, right, But I think when you kind of
look at what the market is doing, I think it
was mahomet Um at the very top. So I think
you've got golf. Golf is in the low thirties. I
think cousins in the low thirties, like that's kind of
his neighborhood to me is in the low thirties, which
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is still it's a ton of money. But I think
when you when you think about that franchise, Doug and
having worked there for a couple of years, Um, that
that famous jersey with all the names of all those
brown cornballs, and at least Baker has given them some stability.
It might not be a superstar, but there is some
stability there. So he that does that does account for something.
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So yeah, I think if Jared Goff's isn't like what
thirty two range like, that's that'd be kind of what
I would be targeting if I were the if I
were the Cleveland Brown, I get it. But the Jared
Golf contracts a bad We're comparing it to a bad contract. Yeah,
but the contracts have all left him since then, you know,
Like I mean, we've already gone up to forty baty
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five for mahomes. Like, as these things continue to trickle in,
you're gonna start getting to the closer to fifty. So
why why it might not look great year one by
your tea year three? I think that's you know, you're
in the kirk Cousin neighborhoods. Yes, but again but again,
those those deals still hold you back. That's why the
teams are going to the younger course. That's that's basically
happen with the Jets, just like, well, we're are you
away from the fifth year option or we could reset
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this thing and now we're below twenty for the next
you know, four years. I can think though with another organization,
it's like you're the Rams, right, I think it's easier
for them to to move on. Obviously they upgraded with Stafford,
but there's other organizations where I think it's easier to
swap a guy out, swap a guy in. I think
when you look at Cleveland and this meandering journey, they've
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been on at that position for twenty years and just
being completely irrelevant, and the owners they're having seen how
bad it gets. I think they're going to be okay
with overpaying a stable, steady guy. I think I really do. Huh, Well,
I'm yeah, I I team. You know gms, do you
like cost certainty? And they love the idea of uh
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they love the idea of having the same guy and
having consistency. Just a question is what is that? What
is that worth? Right? But to me it's again, you're
not gonna if you look at it in a vacuum
and you compare him, you're gonna say, Okay, well, gosh,
he he doesn't you know, I would prefer to pay
him underneath this level of player. But you know, again,
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I just look at that team and they say we're
ready to win right now. And while you might say
we can file it up somewhere else, that's not certain,
and we got a team that's ready to win right now,
so we don't really want to take that chance. We're
with overpaying a little bit here. I just think that
having been around that organization and their search and their journey,
I don't I don't see them being a risky bunch.
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Doug Outlive show here on Fox Sports, Trader Dan and
Jeremiah is our guest. Who is the best team that
we're not talking about? It is a good one. Um Well,
I feel like everybody's been talking about the Browns and
their roster and it gets a good group. I'll give
you one out here, um and you know we're doing
the charter games. I think that whole division is pretty interesting.
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I would say Denver, if they could just get reasonable
quarterback play. We look at the roster with pass rushers
and pass catchers, playmakers and and you know, big time
safety like they've got. They've got some dudes, man, um,
but nobody they're just kind of an afterthought because they
haven't been able to get consistent quarterback play. So that
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that one is interesting to me. They've had consistent quarterback.
But it's been consistently and consistently past yea, consistently bad.
They've had bad quarterball play. Yeah, that's fair. But Courtland
Sutton coming back with Jerry Judy, I mean that's a
They've got kJ Hamdler has got some big time speed.
They have two tight ends and Albert oh and Fan
we're both low four four guys. Like that's a lot
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of stress to put on a defense, no question about it.
But again, you know, like if you don't have a quarterback,
you feel like you don't really have a chance from
the NFL network, that's the whole deal, man. So that's
the interesting to see that division. I do think it's
gonna be a fun race out here in the last
Are you as flexible as for nano tattoos? Oh gosh no, no,
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but that that hurts some of that stuff that he does.
Just al right, it doesn't make any sense, it doesn't.
But he's he's gotta get back in the lineup. Man,
he's missing some games. Are you gonna call him street clothes?
What is that street closets is that you're talking about?
When he's I think he's missed like sixteen games and
he still leaves majors and home runs, so I'm okay
with that. Pretty pretty Macy Dato Jeremiah. Check them out
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find something we found interesting or maybe even alarming earlier
in the day. We call it and now undisputed. As
the morning show Skip Bayliss and Shannon Sharp on Fox
Sports One, this is Shannon Sharp talking about Damian Lillard.
When it's all said done, he's gonna be caught five
if he's not already there. Uh. In this situation of
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guys currently playing, um, they're not very many guys that
you're gonna want the ball in his hands other than Dame,
maybe Steff Staff, k D, Kyrie and Lebron. Uh. The
what he what he did last night to force overtime,
to force the second overtime. We've seen him in the
series in Houston. We've seen him in the series in Okay.
See there a few guys can say, Okay, yeah, I've
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had a game winning shot in the playoffs, but have
you had a game winning shot the end of the series. Skip,
he clutches. They get he's a clutch a player of
his generation as there is, and we can't just tie it. Well,
he would be clutcher if he'd want a title, if
they don't win a title. If Portland Trail Blades are
not fortunate enough to win a title, and the Dame
Lillard error is not gonna be because Dame Litard did
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not leave it out there. He's as good a player
as we have in the league, and he's all time clutch.
So for me, what it's all said and done, he
will be a top five clutch performer. I don't I
don't even understand. Like, so he listed other guys he
would rather have the ball in their hands, right, and
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then he said all time, all time five. Right, So
you're putting him ahead of Magic and Larry Bird and
and Kobe and Michael Jordan's and and and Jerry West
And Okay, I think we're little prisoners of the moment. Look,
I think Gamian Lillard, Greg and the difference today's game
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and yesterday's game is the the the amount of shots
that were previously perceived to be relatively unmakable difficult shots
which are now deemed to be um acceptable shots. You know,
the one against Oklahoma City that ended the series. Paul
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George said, like, like, I thought it was a bad shot.
What goes in? Maybe it's the confidence by which he
takes it. Maybe it's you know, the perception more than
the reality. I think Damian Lillard's awesome, and I also
think he's gotten better. Like a couple of years ago
they got whooped up by the the Warriors. I think
he's got better. But I've seen him and stuff against
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each other in a series. I believe Steff's better, you know,
I think he what he's going to suffer from is
the same thing that the Nicks suffered from in the
nineties and maybe the Celtics suffered from here, uh in
the two thousand's, which is, you know, as good as
he is, he's not as good as Steff, and that's
always he's always going to live in his shadow. As
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good as the Knicks were in the nineties, they could
never get past the bulls. And I think I think
it's a really hard one. So it doesn't mean that
he's not good. I mean, like, look, Jamal Murray last
year in the Bubble was about as good as anybody
I've ever seen. He's hurt this year, so we don't
know what he'd happened store for us in the playoffs.
(31:48):
Damian Lewards amazing twelve threes yesterday. Most reason the playoff
game that passes Clay Thompson. But you also have to remember,
while it's not his fault, he's not rounded by the
same caliber of talent that others are. Um some of
it is his style. He is a score not a
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guy who makes others better. Doesn't mean he can't pass
or he doesn't pass. But there's three parts to being
a great NBA player. Can you play both ends? And
can you make people better? And can you win a
game for us? He can win a game for you.
Does he make Peel better? Not really? Does he play
both ends? He's not James Harden, but he's not much better.
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That's what the Fox said. I was I was trying
to think. I mean, like an all time clutched players
like I don't even know how you judge that, How
do you judge that? I also think he benefits from
the fact that we don't have Most people don't have
high expectations of the Trailblazers in the playoffs. I do,
and they're favored by Vegas to win this, but I
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don't know if we all. I think that's a good reason,
good logical reason that that many of us view his
performances wall incredible and last night was a video game, right,
just a video game. Um? Some of that, some of
that feeling is based upon the fact that we don't
have high expectations for his team, and their ability to
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be competitive with the Denver Nuggets surprises us, and so
we give him even more credit. Um, yeah, I don't.
I wouldn't do the Robert ory because Robert Ry was
a six man or a quasi starter. It's it's a
different role. Look the level of difficulty in the shots
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he takes. Yes, go ahead. So should it be Portland's
idea to add to Dame or to get rid of Dame? Like?
What are they look at you and get rid of that? Okay?
So you want to try to go out and find
guys that that that's gonna make It's like, what do
you do yet? McCullum, who you really like? You know,
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I don't know if you can. I don't know what
you do there. You kind of stuck. You just you're stuck.
You've never been able to get a Draymond type of
four man. I think mellow out the bench is that's
a substantial value for you. Yes, Dan Buyer, I hate
to say this and admit this, but I did think
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about it last night during last night's game that with
Lillard doing what he's doing, any of the other four
Blazers on the floor shouldn't be taking shots, and just
that mindset of of that is probably not good. So
as as awesome as last night was, there was a
point where I'm like, I don't see how c Jim
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McCollum or Robert Covington or Mellow could take any shot
in overtime, like like, and then when you think about it,
you're like, yeah, obviously you want Damian Lillard to have
the basketball, but then you're like, well, how in the
heck and the other four guys even get into rhythm
to take a shot when he's doing it. So as
awesome as it was, and I'm not trying to rain
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on the parade because being honest, yeah, I just you know, like,
and and then there was the late pass in McCollum
had the turnover where he stepped on the you know,
the the sideline and everybody's like, why would you pass
the ball? And and I think that that when you
take a step back and look at that dilemma, it
actually is a dilemma on how you would handle things. Yeah,
I don't know what you do there, So he's so
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much you know, so the better option and I just
you know, you watch the Clippers and for whatever the case,
maybe could be Kauai, could be Paul George h could
be some of Milwaukee. You know, Chris Middleton's you know,
turned to be the guy that that's gonna hit those shots.
But you know, maybe Drew Holiday does. But there was
there was no way that you know, anybody but Damian
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Lillard should be taking any of those shots in either
over time last night. And it's just it's difficult to
ask other guys to to hit those shots when they're
not getting the ball, and then when all of a
sudden randomly they do, they're expected to converts. And that's
just it's very tricky. Yeah, I mean, like, look, this
is what they've tried to put together. Right. Robert Covington
is a three and D guy. You know, I think
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you're getting a ton out of him. Norman Pale is
not really a shooter, just an athlete. Score nor Kitch
is good, but you know he's I don't think he's
at the yr Kich type level obviously. And C J.
McCullum again is good. Um their issue is that, you know,
they have very very limited bench, very limited options on
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the bench. I like all of their guys. Yeah, I
don't know, there's nobody. I don't like that. There's nobody
who I I love. I said there and go like,
all right, well, you know there's a there's another guy.
C J. McCullum is the one guy who can sometimes
win you a game. But I think the the name
an image of c J. McCullum is a twenty three
and night guy is not That's not who he really
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is in a postseason game, you know, and he requires
a lot he's in terms of shots and freedom in
order to kind of make it work. Yeah, and I
and I think a lot of people like when you
go down rosters in the NBA, Portland's roster is probably
the one that you can maybe name the most guys
on because there's a lot of you know, name recognition
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on there. But it was it's uh, I don't know
if it's a good problem to have, Doug or a
bad problem to have. I I like Norman Powell. Uh,
I mean he killed the Bucks a few years ago.
I haven't forgotten that. Uh, you know, coming coming to
a tough stretch last night at times, especially in the
the overtime session. But yeah, I just I don't know that.
I don't know the fix either, and that's the that's
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the tricky part. And I still think that they can
win Game six and win games seven and move on
in the playoffs. So that's the Portland Trailblazers for you.
Stug out him show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay,
so I got a lot of things to get. There's
day baseball taking place. Anything interesting in baseball, Buyer like really,
Mets and Diamondbacks both put four up in the first
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Actually it was five to four at the end of
one today and the Cubs of the Padres three to one.
But that's what we've got. Bum Gardner already chased Dodgers
back up to thirty two and twenty three. Walker Bueller
going tonight. He continues to be to be awesome. I'm
just trying to find a reason to care about baseball,
and I'm struggling with it. Coming up next, we'll dive
back into the story of the day. Coach k calls
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it quits, Brad Stevens kicks himself upstairs. We discussed next
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you're listening to Fox Sports Radio? What up Tug Gotleap Show?
Fox Sports Radio? Um, what an interesting, interesting time in sports? Right?
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Interesting time in sports. Roy Williams retired, and um, it's
always fascinating me. I five years ago I said, Hey,
there's people in basketball talking about Roy Williams might retire,
but if he does it, he'll walk away, So Hubert
Davis gets it. I was wrong on the timeline because
he had had to have knee replacement surgery and he
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had lost his best friend, part of the group he
travels with in the summer, but I was right in
terms of the he was worn down by the Sport
Today news came out about Mike Chazchewski was gonna step
down at the end of this coming season, and this,
of course a couple months after Roy Williams did announced
that last year was his last year. Get to that
in a second. First, there's no such thing as a
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good excuse for not buckling up law enforcement writing tickets.
So why take the risk. Do the smart things start
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ticket paid for by NITZA uh. Jeff Goodman broke the
story that Mike Shazewski has decided to retire after this
coming season, and apparently John Shire, who, of course, like
Mike Szchewsky from Chicago, play point guard for Schechevski when
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they won a national title, is going to be the
head coach in waiting. Agent Janowski said Duke has talked
outside candidates before placing Szewsky, Tommy Amaker and others. Shires
Duke's choice to replace coach k He was a lead
recruiter in Jayson Tatum and Zion Williamson. So there's a
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couple of things. One, there's the sea change in college basketball, right,
but college basketball, even more so than college football, you
have institutions guys that have been there. I mean, Jim
Beheim has been in Circus for forty years, forty years.
You know My Schowski over thirty, and you know Roy
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Williams had only been at two places, and granted had
only been twenty years at at North Carolina, but he
was also a student there and a manager there and
assistant coach there. So there's a combined like thirty five
forty years there yet institutions. So Duke and Carolina and Indiana,
three of the three of the ten greatest college basketball programs,
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all gonna have new coaches. So too will Arizona, Oklahoma, Marquette, Texas.
Duke obviously one more year, but what a crazy sort
of end to it for Mike Schevski. Um So, So,
I look, I I don't think I know there's a
litany of reasons why one at some point you do
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were like, okay, I'm good. You know I'm good. Like
I think Jim Beheim frankly would have retired if not
for the fact he gets coaches kids. But the idea
of always having something you get to your seventies, you've
got grandkids, you know, you want to go live a
little bit. Totally understand it. But I also think there's
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a little something or a good a good portion of
something to where we're going with the sport. With sports,
like if you don't think there's a correlation between Szewski
and Roy Williams retiring about the same time. It's not
just their age. If you don't think there's a correlation
with between Szchewski and Brad Stevens both stepping aside on
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the same day, you're not paying attention. It doesn't mean
that the new way is wrong. It's the way the
entitlement which has always kind of been there. But like, look,
this is what we've done to teachers for the last
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twenty years. Is what we're doing two coaches. If something
goes wrong, it is always the coach's fault. First kid
gets in trouble at school, teacher, I mean, come on,
what are you doing right? And and I'll be honest,
like as a parent, I have to check myself so
I'm not guilty of it because I see my kid
at home. I know his you know my my kid's
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flaws an idiot, so I know what's possible and reasonable.
But sometimes you're like, he they did what my kid?
No way. Then I think to himself, like that's something
that I would have done if I was in this time.
But that if you don't think that this is part
of it, he only is part of it. That Mike Sachowski,
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and some of it is he's a victim of his
own success. They weren't able to get those elite level
one and done. Then they did Kyrie Irving is one
didn't have great success with him, but he wasn't healthy
the whole time. They got beaten by Arizona in the
in the NCA Tournament. Then they were able to succeed
and win a championship. And even though they didn't win
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a championship with Zion, they would be the talk of
the of of the college, maybe the entire basketball world.
Zion made them likable again. But then this year it
blew up. He had a one and done that wasn't
all in. It seemed like he kind of ruined their
their year, just the lack of connection. Al Right, then
he couldn't get the same player's best friend Adam Milwaukee
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and said played with his player, is gonna play for
his daddy, had Milwaukee, Like all of these things are related.
It's not I'm spoiled that I'm not getting my recruits
and I'm taking my but like I don't know, it's
just not what he's about. And and is there a
certain level of hypocrisy when you're taking six seven million
dollars a year, I guess. But when you've been doing
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it for that long, you're that successful. It's all based
upon your name. But let's be honest, like duke's names
is anonyms with Mike Schevski. You can sit here and
tell me that duke players don't benefit from it, but
that's a bunch of crap. They all do. They're all
on TV covering the sport that they played and played well,
or coaching the sport, or in the commissioners. A dukie
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once you're in, it's like skulls. Once you're in, your in.
But it's because the success that Schewski has been able
to breed there, and when you've done it for thirty
five years, you're going to be overcompensated. Reasonable, but it
is not. I do not believe in coincidences like that.
Oh they must. Yeah, Brad Stevens and and did you
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notice Brad Stevens he could have had the Indian job,
didn't want it. He could have had the Duke job,
adn't want There is something amiss with how we treat
that age of player and how that age of players
coach is being treated that some of the best and brightest,
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who it should be in their bones to want to
do it, are like, yeah, I'm good, I'm good. Brad
Stevens is from Indiana. He went to De Paul University
and he coached that butler a chance to be the
head coach with a with a blank check at IU,
and he didn't even blink about it. He's like, nah,
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like you know you might get fired. Like now, I'm good.
Duke comes open. The day, all this goes down and
again it had been brewing and percolating for a while.
Brad season was interested. What what does that tell you
about the profession? What does it tell you about the profession?
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You know, I do think they probably had to call
reach out to Brad Stevens. You know, Amaker has been
successful obviously at Harvard, and you're successful with Sten Hall.
Not as much at at Michigan coming off probation. Johnny
Dawkins has been successful in Central Florida, wasn't great at Stanford,
but did get him to the tournament. Um, I mean,
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look a year ago or two years ago, who Joe
would have been? It would have been argument with woe Joe.
Obviously he lost his job, but wouldn't stun me if
he's back there right as part of that the new
the new staff. But this is gonna be interesting to
see how it comes to a close for Duke. Who
do they play? What's it like when he walks out
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the door. I guess it's gonna leave Beyheim still standing.
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a small meniscus tear in his right knee. He'll be
day to day. The team says he's out for game
(09:55):
five tonight. Stop me if you hear him before. But
Joel Embiid injured right in opportune time. And you know,
you coupled this with the whole Anthony Davis, you know,
street street clothes, Anthony Davis, And you're like, what what
is the deal with these guys? And I just I
(10:16):
just think it's obvious. I think it's you know, if
you don't take care of your body, if you're not
a fanatic about it, especially bigger guys, they have a
tendency to break down. More human body is not supposed
to be as big as that they are, and the
bigger they are, it's not just the heart they fall
as the cliche, but it feels like the more often
injured they are, especially when you don't spend special attention
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to detail, and what we know about Joel Embiid was
we all would say, like, look, if you've got a
little bit better shape, how much better would he be?
And Anthony Davis, I think that it's not that he's
not in good shape. He's just not the picture of
health that Lebron is. And while Lebron gotta hurt this year,
he's been hurt twice in twenty years. I think there's
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something very much related somebody's um ability to not get
hurt or play through Nixon cuts and bangs and bruises
your your body's ability to regenerate. A lot of that
is is how how much you take care of it,
how much you take care of it. Because one injury
does beget another injury, does be get another injury? Does
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we get another injury. It doesn't mean these guys are
you know, like Sean Kemp after the lockout. Do you
guys remember Sean Kemp up to lockout. He's just he
gained like forty pounds and he's just never the same.
This body broke down on him. It's not like that.
But it's the special attention to detail to your body
that some guys having. Some guys don't be sure to
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catch the live edition of The Doug gott Leap Show
weekdays at three p m. Easter noon Pacific. Last night,
bay Or, did you think going into the game that
the Lakers would win? I didn't have a great feeling
for them in that game. Didn't know if it would
be a Lebron takeover game, but I didn't think it
would play out the way that it did. God, it
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was bad. It was that was I did. They were
never really in it. There was a stretch they went
on six Phenix run the first quarter. I was like, well,
that's that. There was also the point at the end
of the first quarter, and I think it was it
was Booker Payne hit a shot like right at the
buzzer to making a five point game into an eight
point game. And then they came out early in the
second and all of a sudden midway through the quarter,
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You're like, the Lakers have scored two points in the
first six minutes and now this is like a twenty
something game. It was. It was pretty shocking. It was.
Let's welcome in Daniel Jeremiah who joins us DJ. Do
you watch hand Laker? Must say, I'll be honestly Doug.
I have not watched one minute of of of NBA playoffs,
so I've totally totally been away from its. Smoke last night.
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We got smoke last night. I mean, we just it
is one of those things. It's a little bit like,
you know, I don't know if we'll get to that
place with Brady, but you'd expect at some point where
you're like, all right, Lebron's gonna bail us out tonight,
and he just couldn't just just couldn't die. I don't
think he and he did have six threes last night,
but mostly I think all in that third quarter when
the game was already kind of decided. Um. But it's
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it's one of those deals where like if if you
think that dude is going to be the dude forever,
you're basically telling me that science, basic science is completely wrong,
and it's not. It's undefeated. You know, I'd be curious
to see what what happens with them going forward, is
not just this year, but next year. I did see
the I did see Barkley's line on Anthony Davis. I
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thought that was funny. Yeah, well, what is he can't
make the can't make the club? If you're in the
tub or what was it that can't make the club
on the tub? Can't make the club in the tub.
Let's let's talk about about making the club. Let's start
with the with with with Julio Jones. He essentially has
to either have his contract where he worked or be traded,
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but probably reworked and traded is what will happen because
there's in such salary cap hell mhm um, Seattle's talking
about it. You know, obviously that would be acquiescing some
to to Russell Wilson, I'm not sure if it's told
need based, but I mean should the packers, like who
else should be engaged in this thing? Well? The two
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teams and Bucky and I talked about this today on
the Move the Sticks, which was you hear the Titans
and you hear the Seahawks, And to me, I almost
like the Seahawks thing makes sense if you figure out
you know, everybody talks to round league expects it will
be for a second round pick. Um. You know, look,
when you have to give up a second round pick,
it's gonna hit your cap. He's gonna want a new deal.
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He's thirty two years old, his GPS numbers for the
last three years have gone down each year. Um, you
know it's it's to me, it's kind of a it's
in kind of all or nothing aggressive play. Um, And
it makes sense on the timetable. When you look at
Seattle decks, they've got no first round pick next year. Um,
they've got I believe, no third round pick either. So
(14:55):
now they're sitting there going you're gonna part with a
second pick, or maybe they have no fourth round pick,
but they're part of the second pick. I think they'd
be left with just the third one point, you know,
to the first four rounds. It kind of makes sense
to do it and then just kind of all your
chips in Russell Wilson the last Dance. Seriously, if you
can do it, and then if it doesn't work, that
would be the time to me where you trade Russ
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and you as many picks as you can and you
rebuild that team. Yeah. I guess that. The question then
becomes um like like, what do you do? What do
you do with his next because he's gonna want to
rework contract, right, So I mean, so, what do you
do with Julio Jones If in fact you get him
and you have to have that rework contract. Yeah, that's
definitely what he's gonna want to do. I would, I
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would know if you look at the Seattle situation to me,
I would, you know, probably try and massage that and
just just let it be known. It is what it
is like. This is a one year, go for it
type situation. But you know, everybody you talked to says
that you know, for him, the step on the field,
that's what he's gonna want is a new deal artist. Man,
it's a lot to give. The compensation in every way
(15:59):
you look at it for draft a compensation as well
as the money and in the space on your cap
for a for a receiver who's really good, but you
know this is you know he's not. He's not close
to what he used to be, right. It's a young
man's game, right and for that for that money, you
can go out and get a bunch of dudes. Um,
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what do you think ultimately Atlanta does Oh? I think
I think they will trade him, you know, I you know,
I'd just be curious to see what they end up
getting in terms of a draft pick. I know, you know,
some teams that I've talked to said there's no way
you considering all that you have to do, you know,
to to squeeze him. Man, that I would give up
a second round pick, So I'm curious to see what
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that ultimately ends up being. Doug otleib show here on
Fox Sport Trade. That's the voice of Dana Jeremiah. Haven't
heard anything on the Aaron Rodgers front. Um. There was
a report out of the athletic that they're not trading
him unless they really thought he was never going to
play for the Packers, and they don't think that's the case.
What are you hearing? Yeah, I haven't heard any things late.
(17:00):
You know, it's been kind of quiet on that front.
But you know, I feel like we've both been kind
of in the same camp on this for a while,
which is we're not trading. If you're gonna play football anymore,
it's going to be with us. So you know, we're
trying to give an alive branch here, get you a
new contract, but at the end of the day, you're
not gonna be able to force your way out of here.
So I just I don't see this really ending any
(17:22):
other way. So, um, when do you think he shows up?
I think the last minute, you know, I think you
get to the start of training camp and and I
think that's probably when he would he would come in.
I think that's when his leverage disappears. So at some
point in time he should be like, Okay, look, I
might not be happy here, but make him pay us.
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You want to call it a snowboot tax. I'm gonna
live in Green Bay and for his month, let off
Copley and I want a snowboot tax. Give me a
new deal. That's kind of where I think that ends
up happening. There's been people that are critical of of
urban Meyer and you know the Travis E. T n
when they drafted him, he said, they look him, it's
(18:04):
the third down back. Now he's out with the wide receivers.
Do they know what they're doing in Jacksonville, that's the question.
They know what they're doing. I think it's TV. I
think how this whole thing comes together. I do, uh,
I do think we're talking another thing we're talking about today,
which was if you look at Labiska Chenault when he
was at Colorado, a doug like they used him in
some Wildcats stuff. And now you're talking about a guy
(18:25):
who's whatever he is almost six three two or twenty
five pounds, who's a four three guy who can line up,
line up back there and do all those things. Like
I just have a hard time to maagine and they're
going to choose to put Tebow in that roll over
somebody like Labiska Chennault. Um. So you know, look, I
think there's a lot of talk about Tebow. There's you know,
how are they gonna use Travis c Tn. You can
experiment with things in the spring, I would imagine it'll
(18:47):
be a little bit more conventional once we get to uh,
once we get to the real games. Big Ben came
out yesterday and just happened to throw out, Hey, you know,
I had my elbow completely reconstructed. Now we all knew
that there was something that Tommy John unlike surgery kind
of classic Big Ben with with the you know, like,
you know my arm bob was still off and then
I had it reconstructed. But does this give us a
(19:09):
better sense for just how bad it was and that
he can actually get back closer to who used to be. Yeah,
I mean even if it wasn't to that level of
a surgery, it's just being a year removed, you know,
from any surgery it's gonna be He's gonna be better. Um,
So you know, I'm I'm I'm somewhat optimistic there that
he'll be able to push the ball down the field.
(19:29):
You know, he didn't. He couldn't do it last year.
You saw the once we got to the last month
of the season, the field just shrunk and Teems did
not honor that or respect that. Then they were done
once that happened. So, yeah, you hope that that he
gets a little bit more on it so he can
expand the field a little bit. Because if he does,
look at the numbers that Clay Poll put up last
year and then imagine, if you know, Ben's just better
(19:52):
and can get the ball down the field, that dude's
gonna end up being one of the best receivers in football. Yeah,
it's gonna be gonna be pretty pretty and pretty incredible. Um,
speaking of Atlanta, didn't they do you think they just
you know, did they draft Antonio assuming Julio Jones replacement? Right?
Doesn't that feel like what they actually did? We thought
tight end? But really he's Antonio Julio Jones a replacement. Yeah, No,
(20:17):
I think when you look at that, what you can
do with Pitts. I mean, Julio is an ultimate mismatch player.
Now you've got a type of mismatch player. And I
think you get better matchups with the tight end right
now than you do with the white out. So I
thought that target share to kind of get a look
at it from maybe a fancy type of a perspective.
The target share, I would think with would be picked
(20:38):
up here by Kyle Pitts. And now you've got Kyle
Pits on safeties and linebackers, which is even more advantageous
than Julio Jones or corners. Okay, help me out with
the Patriots, Um, there's been talk of them with Julio Jones.
I don't see that, but maybe what what is your
sense of what they're actually gonna end up? Like, what's
(20:59):
the game plan going in? I think they're gonna I
think everybody's gonna spend this whole training camp, you know,
talking about who's going to be the quarterback and you
know what this offense is gonna is gonna look like.
And they're quietly just kind of to me, everything points
to the to the old school formula. They're gonna play
great defense, special teams will be the best in football,
(21:20):
and they're gonna run the football, Like I really think
that's what they're gonna do. And they you know, they've
got tight ends now with some easy completions in there. Um,
I just you know, I think we're gonna it wouldn't
make sense to me for Julio Jones with them, it
just it just doesn't. It just doesn't matter if it
doesn't fit what they want to do. What what in
your mind, Damn Jeremiah is our guest in the Doug
(21:42):
Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. What in your
mind should be the number for a new Baker Mayfield contract? Wow?
I haven't even uh, I haven't even thought about it.
I mean, when you what was it? I feel I
feel like give me, let me, let me interrupt just
one second. Right. Lamar is a hard one because even
(22:05):
though he hasn't he's missed a game or two, right,
he hadn't even been hurt. You do wonder ultimately like
he runs a lot, he's gonna get hurt or it's
gonna wear him down, and there's a ceiling there. But
he's been the m v P of the league, right,
so we can undersell what he's done in the playoffs.
They want to they want to come from behind playoff
game last year. Um Baker, I think is the guy
(22:28):
because you know he they got to the playoffs. He's
gotten better, but no one thinks that he's an elite guy.
You want to keep him because he's your guy, he's
your formidable, but you don't. He's not a thirty five
for your million year guy, no matter what you want
to tell me. So I guess, how do you how
do you even approach that? I mean, to me, I'm
(22:49):
looking at I'm looking at low low thirties, which even
sounds huge, right, But I think when you kind of
look at what the market is doing, I think it
was mahomet Um at the very top. So I think
you've got golf. Golf is in the low thirties. I
think cousins in the low thirties, like that's kind of
his neighborhood to me is in the low thirties, which
(23:09):
is still it's a ton of money. But I think
when you when you think about that franchise, Doug and
having worked there for a couple of years, Um, that
that famous jersey with all the names of all those
brown cornballs, and at least Baker has given them some stability.
It might not be a superstar, but there is some
stability there. So he that does that does account for something.
(23:31):
So yeah, I think if Jared Goff's isn't like what
thirty two range like, that's that'd be kind of what
I would be targeting if I were the if I
were the Cleveland Brown, I get it. But the Jared
Golf contracts a bad We're comparing it to a bad contract. Yeah,
but the contracts have all left him since then, you know,
Like I mean, we've already gone up to forty baty
(23:51):
five for mahomes. Like, as these things continue to trickle in,
you're gonna start getting to the closer to fifty. So
why why it might not look great year one by
your tea year three? I think that's you know, you're
in the kirk Cousin neighborhoods. Yes, but again but again,
those those deals still hold you back. That's why the
teams are going to the younger course. That's that's basically
happen with the Jets, just like, well, we're are you
away from the fifth year option or we could reset
(24:14):
this thing and now we're below twenty for the next
you know, four years. I can think though with another organization,
it's like you're the Rams, right, I think it's easier
for them to to move on. Obviously they upgraded with Stafford,
but there's other organizations where I think it's easier to
swap a guy out, swap a guy in. I think
when you look at Cleveland and this meandering journey, they've
(24:36):
been on at that position for twenty years and just
being completely irrelevant, and the owners they're having seen how
bad it gets. I think they're going to be okay
with overpaying a stable, steady guy. I think I really do. Huh, Well,
I'm yeah, I I team. You know gms, do you
like cost certainty? And they love the idea of uh
(24:58):
they love the idea of having the same guy and
having consistency. Just a question is what is that? What
is that worth? Right? But to me it's again, you're
not gonna if you look at it in a vacuum
and you compare him, you're gonna say, Okay, well, gosh,
he he doesn't you know, I would prefer to pay
him underneath this level of player. But you know, again,
(25:19):
I just look at that team and they say we're
ready to win right now. And while you might say
we can file it up somewhere else, that's not certain,
and we got a team that's ready to win right now,
so we don't really want to take that chance. We're
with overpaying a little bit here. I just think that
having been around that organization and their search and their journey,
I don't I don't see them being a risky bunch.
(25:42):
Doug Outlive show here on Fox Sports, Trader Dan and
Jeremiah is our guest. Who is the best team that
we're not talking about? It is a good one. Um Well,
I feel like everybody's been talking about the Browns and
their roster and it gets a good group. I'll give
you one out here, um and you know we're doing
the charter games. I think that whole division is pretty interesting.
(26:03):
I would say Denver, if they could just get reasonable
quarterback play. We look at the roster with pass rushers
and pass catchers, playmakers and and you know, big time
safety like they've got. They've got some dudes, man, um,
but nobody they're just kind of an afterthought because they
haven't been able to get consistent quarterback play. So that
(26:24):
that one is interesting to me. They've had consistent quarterback.
But it's been consistently and consistently past yea, consistently bad.
They've had bad quarterball play. Yeah, that's fair. But Courtland
Sutton coming back with Jerry Judy, I mean that's a
They've got kJ Hamdler has got some big time speed.
They have two tight ends and Albert oh and Fan
we're both low four four guys. Like that's a lot
(26:44):
of stress to put on a defense, no question about it.
But again, you know, like if you don't have a quarterback,
you feel like you don't really have a chance from
the NFL network, that's the whole deal, man. So that's
the interesting to see that division. I do think it's
gonna be a fun race out here in the last
Are you as flexible as for nano tattoos? Oh gosh no, no,
(27:07):
but that that hurts some of that stuff that he does.
Just al right, it doesn't make any sense, it doesn't.
But he's he's gotta get back in the lineup. Man,
he's missing some games. Are you gonna call him street clothes?
What is that street closets is that you're talking about?
When he's I think he's missed like sixteen games and
he still leaves majors and home runs, so I'm okay
with that. Pretty pretty Macy Dato Jeremiah. Check them out
(27:28):
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(28:34):
find something we found interesting or maybe even alarming earlier
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Sports One, this is Shannon Sharp talking about Damian Lillard.
When it's all said done, he's gonna be caught five
if he's not already there. Uh. In this situation of
(28:55):
guys currently playing, um, they're not very many guys that
you're gonna want the ball in his hands other than Dame,
maybe Steff Staff, k D, Kyrie and Lebron. Uh. The
what he what he did last night to force overtime,
to force the second overtime. We've seen him in the
series in Houston. We've seen him in the series in Okay.
See there a few guys can say, Okay, yeah, I've
(29:15):
had a game winning shot in the playoffs, but have
you had a game winning shot the end of the series. Skip,
he clutches. They get he's a clutch a player of
his generation as there is, and we can't just tie it. Well,
he would be clutcher if he'd want a title, if
they don't win a title. If Portland Trail Blades are
not fortunate enough to win a title, and the Dame
Lillard error is not gonna be because Dame Litard did
(29:37):
not leave it out there. He's as good a player
as we have in the league, and he's all time clutch.
So for me, what it's all said and done, he
will be a top five clutch performer. I don't I
don't even understand. Like, so he listed other guys he
would rather have the ball in their hands, right, and
(29:59):
then he said all time, all time five. Right, So
you're putting him ahead of Magic and Larry Bird and
and Kobe and Michael Jordan's and and and Jerry West
And Okay, I think we're little prisoners of the moment. Look,
I think Gamian Lillard, Greg and the difference today's game
(30:22):
and yesterday's game is the the the amount of shots
that were previously perceived to be relatively unmakable difficult shots
which are now deemed to be um acceptable shots. You know,
the one against Oklahoma City that ended the series. Paul
(30:44):
George said, like, like, I thought it was a bad shot.
What goes in? Maybe it's the confidence by which he
takes it. Maybe it's you know, the perception more than
the reality. I think Damian Lillard's awesome, and I also
think he's gotten better. Like a couple of years ago
they got whooped up by the the Warriors. I think
he's got better. But I've seen him and stuff against
(31:05):
each other in a series. I believe Steff's better, you know,
I think he what he's going to suffer from is
the same thing that the Nicks suffered from in the
nineties and maybe the Celtics suffered from here, uh in
the two thousand's, which is, you know, as good as
he is, he's not as good as Steff, and that's
always he's always going to live in his shadow. As
(31:27):
good as the Knicks were in the nineties, they could
never get past the bulls. And I think I think
it's a really hard one. So it doesn't mean that
he's not good. I mean, like, look, Jamal Murray last
year in the Bubble was about as good as anybody
I've ever seen. He's hurt this year, so we don't
know what he'd happened store for us in the playoffs.
(31:48):
Damian Lewards amazing twelve threes yesterday. Most reason the playoff
game that passes Clay Thompson. But you also have to remember,
while it's not his fault, he's not rounded by the
same caliber of talent that others are. Um some of
it is his style. He is a score not a
(32:10):
guy who makes others better. Doesn't mean he can't pass
or he doesn't pass. But there's three parts to being
a great NBA player. Can you play both ends? And
can you make people better? And can you win a
game for us? He can win a game for you.
Does he make Peel better? Not really? Does he play
both ends? He's not James Harden, but he's not much better.
(32:33):
That's what the Fox said. I was I was trying
to think. I mean, like an all time clutched players
like I don't even know how you judge that, How
do you judge that? I also think he benefits from
the fact that we don't have Most people don't have
high expectations of the Trailblazers in the playoffs. I do,
and they're favored by Vegas to win this, but I
(32:54):
don't know if we all. I think that's a good reason,
good logical reason that that many of us view his
performances wall incredible and last night was a video game, right,
just a video game. Um? Some of that, some of
that feeling is based upon the fact that we don't
have high expectations for his team, and their ability to
(33:17):
be competitive with the Denver Nuggets surprises us, and so
we give him even more credit. Um, yeah, I don't.
I wouldn't do the Robert ory because Robert Ry was
a six man or a quasi starter. It's it's a
different role. Look the level of difficulty in the shots
(33:37):
he takes. Yes, go ahead. So should it be Portland's
idea to add to Dame or to get rid of Dame? Like?
What are they look at you and get rid of that? Okay?
So you want to try to go out and find
guys that that that's gonna make It's like, what do
you do yet? McCullum, who you really like? You know,
(33:57):
I don't know if you can. I don't know what
you do there. You kind of stuck. You just you're stuck.
You've never been able to get a Draymond type of
four man. I think mellow out the bench is that's
a substantial value for you. Yes, Dan Buyer, I hate
to say this and admit this, but I did think
(34:18):
about it last night during last night's game that with
Lillard doing what he's doing, any of the other four
Blazers on the floor shouldn't be taking shots, and just
that mindset of of that is probably not good. So
as as awesome as last night was, there was a
point where I'm like, I don't see how c Jim
(34:38):
McCollum or Robert Covington or Mellow could take any shot
in overtime, like like, and then when you think about it,
you're like, yeah, obviously you want Damian Lillard to have
the basketball, but then you're like, well, how in the
heck and the other four guys even get into rhythm
to take a shot when he's doing it. So as
awesome as it was, and I'm not trying to rain
(34:59):
on the parade because being honest, yeah, I just you know, like,
and and then there was the late pass in McCollum
had the turnover where he stepped on the you know,
the the sideline and everybody's like, why would you pass
the ball? And and I think that that when you
take a step back and look at that dilemma, it
actually is a dilemma on how you would handle things. Yeah,
I don't know what you do there, So he's so
(35:22):
much you know, so the better option and I just
you know, you watch the Clippers and for whatever the case,
maybe could be Kauai, could be Paul George h could
be some of Milwaukee. You know, Chris Middleton's you know,
turned to be the guy that that's gonna hit those shots.
But you know, maybe Drew Holiday does. But there was
there was no way that you know, anybody but Damian
(35:42):
Lillard should be taking any of those shots in either
over time last night. And it's just it's difficult to
ask other guys to to hit those shots when they're
not getting the ball, and then when all of a
sudden randomly they do, they're expected to converts. And that's
just it's very tricky. Yeah, I mean, like, look, this
is what they've tried to put together. Right. Robert Covington
is a three and D guy. You know, I think
(36:04):
you're getting a ton out of him. Norman Pale is
not really a shooter, just an athlete. Score nor Kitch
is good, but you know he's I don't think he's
at the yr Kich type level obviously. And C J.
McCullum again is good. Um their issue is that, you know,
they have very very limited bench, very limited options on
(36:27):
the bench. I like all of their guys. Yeah, I
don't know, there's nobody. I don't like that. There's nobody
who I I love. I said there and go like,
all right, well, you know there's a there's another guy.
C J. McCullum is the one guy who can sometimes
win you a game. But I think the the name
an image of c J. McCullum is a twenty three
and night guy is not That's not who he really
(36:47):
is in a postseason game, you know, and he requires
a lot he's in terms of shots and freedom in
order to kind of make it work. Yeah, and I
and I think a lot of people like when you
go down rosters in the NBA, Portland's roster is probably
the one that you can maybe name the most guys
on because there's a lot of you know, name recognition
(37:09):
on there. But it was it's uh, I don't know
if it's a good problem to have, Doug or a
bad problem to have. I I like Norman Powell. Uh,
I mean he killed the Bucks a few years ago.
I haven't forgotten that. Uh, you know, coming coming to
a tough stretch last night at times, especially in the
the overtime session. But yeah, I just I don't know that.
I don't know the fix either, and that's the that's
(37:31):
the tricky part. And I still think that they can
win Game six and win games seven and move on
in the playoffs. So that's the Portland Trailblazers for you.
Stug out him show here on Fox Sports Radio. Um, okay,
so I got a lot of things to get. There's
day baseball taking place. Anything interesting in baseball, Buyer like really,
Mets and Diamondbacks both put four up in the first
(37:52):
Actually it was five to four at the end of
one today and the Cubs of the Padres three to one.
But that's what we've got. Bum Gardner already chased Dodgers
back up to thirty two and twenty three. Walker Bueller
going tonight. He continues to be to be awesome. I'm
just trying to find a reason to care about baseball,
and I'm struggling with it. Coming up next, we'll dive
back into the story of the day. Coach k calls
(38:14):
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