October 14, 2021 • 39 mins
Reacting to Kyrie Irving's Instagram Live post, Doug points out the many contradictions in what Kyrie is saying. Doug feels like Kyrie has been mislead about the vaccine, and he is going to ruin this season for the Nets and maybe his career. Doug compares Justin Herbert to Lamar Jackson ahead of the Ravens-Chargers matchup this weekend. Former NFL quarterback Sage Rosenfels joins Doug to talk about the quarterbacks making the headlines going into Week 6 of the NFL. Plus, Isaac Lewonkron takes Doug through the game "I Feel A Draft".
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Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, coming to
you from the sunny city of Angels Hope. You're great.
We have a huge baseball game tonight, Giants Noyers from
San Francisco. We'll get to that. Uh. We have a
rather large NFL game with the Buccaneers taken on the Eiggles.
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We'll address that. Plus you'll hear from Odell Beckham Jr.
Brandon Staley. Um wait to hear what the Ravens had
to say about usin Herbert the Love Affair. Luke Fickle
is gonna join us right, He's gonna join us at
one West Coast time for East Coast time, right, head
coach of the bear Cats Cincinnata. Their number three ranked
in the country and they're undefeated. I am not going
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to make him, um stand up on the soapbox and
tell us why his team is awesome when his team
is clearly awesome. Um, so we got a bunch of things.
John palm Rose is gonna join us. Should we interview
him in English or in Spanish? What do you guys think?
It's because John palm Ross is completely fluent bilingual and
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it's amazing what he does. My questions would be terrible
if they were in Spanish, don't they? Esta la mesa?
Donta est la pluma la pluma and la mesa still
got I'm getting kidding. I'm making fun of my own
ineptitude with espanol um. Karee Irving is a master of
the English language. He's an all star point guard. He's
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a superstar caliber player. So he took the Instagram last
night and what I'm gonna play for you play three
different cuts, spent a little time in the middle, and
I want you to think about what you hear. I'll
tell you what I hear and we'll discuss it. First
Year is Kyrie Irving, addressing the rumors that he is retiring.
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I had to stop running away from using my voice
and using my platform to uh, you know, speak on
what's true and what's mine. You know, nobody's gonna hijack
my voice. Nobody's gonna take the power away from me
that I have for speaking on these things, you know,
And don't believe that I'm retiring. Don't believe that. You know,
I'm gonna give up this game for a vaccine mandate. Okay,
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but you don't want to play because of the vaccine mandate.
So there in lies the rub right, there's like a
constant contradiction there. It just is, there's a country dediction there.
Here's Kyrie is saying we should pay attention to the
world around us. All these people saying all these things
about what's going on with me, and it's just not true.
Pay attention to what's going on out in the real world.
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You know, people are losing their jobs to these mandates.
People are having to make choices with their own lives,
which I respect, you know, and and I don't want
to sit here and and play on people's emotions either.
Just use logic. You know, what would you do, you know,
if if you felt uncomfortable going into the season when
you were promised that you would have exemptions or that
you didn't have to be forced to get the vaccine.
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You know, this wasn't an issue before the season started. This,
this wasn't something that I foresaw coming where I prepare
for it. Okay, things change. It's a pandemic. But he's
saying he was told that he wouldn't have to get
the vaccine. Now he does have to get the vaccine,
and he's reacting accordingly. Here's Kyrie when he just came
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to say, Hi, I came into the season thinking that
I was just gonna be able to play ball, you know,
and be able to use my talent uh to continue
to uh, you know, inspire influence people in the right way.
Like putting this on me? Just like why are you
putting it on me? You know, like this this is
not part of you know, what's going on in conversations
with scientists, physicians and doctors. I'm just a hooper, right Like,
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I'm just a person who's being utilized as an example
for some odd reason. You know, people love to have
my name in the mix of just some bs. Uh.
That's Kyrie Irving. I feel bad for Kyrie because he
has been told how smart he is and that can
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be um Honestly, not a compliment, but he's taking it
as a compliment. I do agree with him in terms
of using his platform and not staying silent. I think
that's absolutely smart and absolutely true. And it's one of
the main criticisms of Colin Kaepernick, which is, Okay, you
took a knee, but then you had nothing to say,
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and throughout all of these years you have nothing to say.
You have a huge platform and you have followers. Help us,
show us what are you actually fighting for? How can
we help be part of a change? Right? Like that
was the thing with the Kaepernick thing, where he brought
awareness to a problem. Okay, he protested in a way
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in which drew our attention based upon some help and
and it became a thing, and then it was the
movement was a rudderless ship, and frankly was hijacked by
other movements. Kyrie is saying, well, people are losing their jobs.
I love the idea that it's a personal decision. Yes,
he has personal decision play make money or don't. That's
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a personal decision. But the when you're part of a team,
and you're part of a union, and the union collectively bargains,
and this is what came out of the collective bargain agreement.
You have to get vaccinated or you run the risk
of not being able to play. You know, Kyrie got
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I'm sure it was vaccinated when he was a kid,
if not before he played a duke. You can't go
to duke unless you're inoculated. It's the vaccine different. Sure, sure,
but what we're we're conflating all of these different ideas
of personal freedom, and we the the the issue with
Kyrie is he's not that smart. Okay, he's he's he's
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not a dummy, but he's not nearly as smart as
he thinks he is. None of us actually are right.
You are not an epidemiamologist. You are not an infectious
disease specialist. You're not. And those group of people have
gotten together and this currently is the best that we
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could do. And he's like, I don't like being part
of the drama. Well, one, you could just simply say
why you're doing what you're doing and understand that your
talents are respected, and that's the only reason we're still
talking about you. Plenty of people don't get the shot.
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They're just not gonna play in the NBA. But I
just Kyrie is one of those guys that is not
a dummy, but he's not nearly as smart as he
thinks he is, and he's trying to kind of outsmart
the world and make a point that doesn't really make
the point. He's interested in the greater good, but in
the financial well being of the greater good Like that
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doesn't make any sense. Isn't it more important that people
are healthy while working than just simply working. You can
do both all of those. Anybody who quits because of
a vaccine mandate can absolutely positively get the vaccine and
still keep working, and and most people are in fact vaccine.
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There's been so many despicable and disgraceful lies told about things.
You know. There's a guy who played for the Atlanta Hawks,
and he things he had blood clots because of the vaccine. Okay,
it's it's Is it possible? Yes? Is it likely? I
don't know based upon the numbers. No, I don't know.
I don't know his own medical history. I don't know.
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I can tell you this that no one who plays
in the NBA, no one who plays in professional sports
outside of this one loan player. We've had a cup
of coffee for the for the Hawks last year. Their
organization has had any sort of complications. You know, you're
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told by people who don't know what the hell they're
talking about about, how what percentage of people, how many
people get sick for use the vaccine, Yet none of
these people have And if Kyrie's really for the greater good,
then getting the vaccine is in fact the right decision
to make. But we operate in a in a in
a world in which we think we're totally free, and
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we're not. We're just not, and rightfully so there has
to be some checks and some balances. My first year
playing professionally was in two thousand, two thousand one. I
played in Russia. Russia at the time total capitalist, capitalist
society and real capitalist society is super rich, super poor,
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very little in the middle. There weren't people helping out
those in need. That's why we have far made That's
why we have welfare. That's why we have some form
of universal health care. That's why in our country, even
before we had universal health care, even now, if you
don't have insurance to get hit by a car, you're
still gonna be treated at a hospital. That's part of
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being the greatest country in the world. You don't want
complete and total freedom. You also don't want complete and
total socialism communism. That's not who we are either. But
he's the rules have been pretty well situated, can pretty
well set up. You wanted to play in Brooklyn, that
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was your team. Now, could you have foreseen what's happening
or were you told some sort of uh, mistruths and
falsities and lies before the season about if you could
play without being vaccinated. If you didn't see the way
this thing is going. I can't really help you. But
you thought you'd play in New York City not be vaccinated?
What what what are you living in? New York City has
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been decimated, decimated by this thing. It's not just the
deaths by COVID, with the sickness by COVID, but the
city people moved out. They're like, I'm done, I'm out.
I'm moving to Connecticut, I'm moving to Jersey. I'm moving
far away where I can just work online. It's been devastating,
but all these things have been put in place because
it's for the greater good. So the the hypocrisy to
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what he's saying is, hey, I love basketball, not enough.
Hey I'm willing to take a stand that is actually
the stand. The standard for personal freedoms, okay, but the
standard for the greater good. The greater good is getting
the vaccine. Yes, uh, yes, Chase too. Hey Doug, if
you're if you're running in the nets right now and
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you watch that what is it minute Instagram? Wive? Um?
What what do you do with with Kyrie? Like what happens?
I just think you let him sit? So no trade? No,
because Kyrie is I mean, he's made it pretty clear
like the money isn't, the isn't the most important thing
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to him, and he's willing to sacrifice it. And so
all they've been able to do, and this is part
of the non vaccine mandate that you don't have in
the NBA is we can't mandate it, but we can
sure threaten you, and we can do everything in our
power to make you do it without making you do it.
That's what they've done. That's what they've done. So what
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do I do? Nothing? I hope the vaccine mandate is lifted.
And meanwhile I have some really smart pe pool called
Kyrie and go like, hey, dude, can I just give
you a real sense of what we're doing here? Why
we're doing it, how it makes sense why you need it.
And I think my guests would be ultimately he gets vaccinated.
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But you know, if there's one guy who you would say,
who's the guy in the NBA to not get vaccine
when everybody else does, Kyrie would be number one or
two on everybody's list. This is like the least surprising
thing of all time. And I find it curious that
he's talking about people's personal There's all kinds of things
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you have to do in sacrifice to work. He's never
had a real job in his life, Like this is
the the amazing part about it, right, Like I've never
had a real job in his life. So basketball players
and I was a professional athlete, and you we we
think we work hard, but I remember having two practs
to day playing overseas and thinking, God, this is a job.
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But the truth is that was four hours of work
a day. There was some prep, you know, there was stretching,
there was managing your body and your sleep and all
the other stuff. But like that ain't real work. Ask
somebody who really works, what's that like? Asking nurse what
it's like? Now? I ask somebody who really that's a
coal miner what it's like, and there's sacrifices for every job,
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there's sacrifices for every team. And Kyrie can say, I'm
not being selfish, I'm thinking of other people. But the
truth is you're being selfish because you're putting your desires
to make a point above that of everybody else in
the locker room. Hey dude, I thought we call came
here to win a championship. It is very winnable and
and it it maybe and I'm not trying to take
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a shot at the messenger, but remember this is Kyrie
who didn't want to go to the bubble, who said
there was racism, He implied there was racism, and playing
in the bubble, you know, Kyrie has been a constant contradiction.
He can say he's a good teammate, can say he's
not selfish. That wasn't the case in Boston, it wasn't
the case in Cleveland. He's an amazing talent, and that's
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why we're still talking about it. That's why people still
want him. That's why he was going to get a
contract extension. But somebody told him he was too smart.
He was smart, and he's become too smart for his
own good. He's overthinking this thing and he's going to
ruin his career and this team. Be sure to catch
the live edition of the Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
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three p m. Easter noon Pacific Doug Gotlip Show, Fox
Sports Radio Stage. Rosen Fell's form NFL quarterback from in
Iowa state legend gonna join us. Uh shortly got a
lot to get to with him. Speaking of quarterbacks. Um,
they asked Lamar Jackson about Justin Herbert. Take a listen
to what he said. Having watched those guys like that,
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but I do see him on Instagram and stuff like that,
Flash and Ron doing his thing. You know, he's a
very talent at the quarterback, and you know he's been
doing this thing hopefully slowed down a little bit when
we're playing against him. You know, we don't want to
have hYP him up too bad as we man, you know,
but um, he's definitely been brought control. Here's WENK Martine,
who of course the defensive coordiny of the Ravens, talking
about the Chargers offense. I think he's one of those
guys who could throw a strawberry through through a battleship.
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You know what, I mean, he's got tremendous arm talent. Uh,
he is the prototypical NFL quarterback if if you will,
and and looking at him, and and he's got a
lot of talent that that goes with that arm as
far as himself of reading coverages and and he has
great targets to throw too. So it's gonna be a
big time challenge. Um. Look, I think everybody's gotten on
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board with Justin Herbert. And it's interesting, you know. I
saw a piece on TV earlier today about how Lamar
Jackson is, uh is the new NFL quarterback. I actually
don't think that's the case. I think Lamar Jackson is
an outlier, right. He is an absolute freak town as
an athlete, and uh, he has worked and worked and
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worked to make himself a better thrower. But the type
of at rob speed, twitchy athleticism to go along with
armed talent and confidence. And let's also not forget being
put in the perfect system with a coaching staff that
has embraced it with the defense his first couple of years,
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which carried him like the whole thing worked together. Justin
Herbert is actually the prototypical New age quarterback. He too big, strong,
can run, comes up a family of athletes, and like Lamar,
there are a lot of questions about him when he
came out, and he's exceeded anyone's expectations. But he's better
from the pocket and in terms of his manipulation of
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safeties and the defenses. It's elite at a very young age.
We'll last age. Rosenfeld's about him, surely, but those are
two star quarterbacks. Like if you don't know by now
you have been paying attention. Here we go. Let's let's
get to um Isaac Lowan cron Ilo. What's going on?
Sports Doug. The St. Louis Cardinals today shockingly fired manager
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Mike Schilt, who led them to the postseason in each
of US three full seasons at the Helm. Team president
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adding that Schilton was quote very shocked unquote when he
was informed of his firing. This morning, Gee you think.
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Los Angeles Dodgers announced that Corey Cannable a k A.
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got lip show, Fox Sports Radio. Let's welcome him in
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he stage. Rosen Fell's of course, longtime quarterback in the
Nation Football League now kind of quarterback savant. We'll see
him on TV as well. Say let me ask you
about Justin Herbert um how how good is he? A
great player? He's a great player. He has all the
things you're looking for. Um. I think there was questions
coming out and I probably could include myself and that
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long list of quarter quarterback experts that weren't super high
on him. And one of the reasons I wasn't high
in him is because they threw a lot of bubble screens.
They sort of ran a weird offensive Oregon. I didn't
You weren't seeing a lot of like twenty five yard
steam routes and throws routes, throw outs down the field
that you've seen a lot of LFL games. I was like,
I'm not really sure how this kid's gonna translate. But
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when you break it down, he's accurate. Uh, he's got
a strong arm, he got great pocket presence and movement.
He's a tremendous athlete. I mean he's really on par
with like a Josh Allen as far as athletes of them,
maybe even better. So you add all those things up
and then you put them with what I think are
too really good offensive minds. Offensive Cordner, Joe Lombardi, who
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would come from the Saints. So you're getting that sort
of Drew Brees offense with an extremely talented quarterback, and
Shane Day's or quarterbacks coach would come from the San
Francisco forty Niners. So you're sure of getting Sean mcuh
Sean Payton, and Kyle Shanahan in an offense that is
great for this young rookie. So I really do think
the sky is the limit for him some of the
other day so they'd rather draft him than Pat Mahome
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to this point, I'm not going to make that move,
but he is up there as far as young quarterbacks,
all these young guys that are coming up in the league,
even like Lamar Jackson, Justin or Justin Herbert is near
the top of that last He is a very very
good quarterback. What's changed by your estimation with Lamar Jackson?
I have my own kind of hypotheses, maybe even theory,
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but for you, you know, now they're coming from behind
now he's the feeling is they don't seem to freak
out as much when they get down big, whereas in
previous years, Um they struggle when they got behind. Why
is the changing in your mind? And what's happening in Baltimore? Yeah,
So in that conversation, you know, there's this sort of
thought that you don't become a better passer over time.
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It's like, do you become a better shooter in the NBA. Well,
if you're not a very good shoot, you may not
improve all that much. Maybe a little bit. But I
do feel, because based off my own experiences, I do
feel you can become a better pastor in this league. Um,
will he ever be a great passer? No? Will he
have to be the most accurate quarterback back in the league.
I don't think so. But shoot at when I was
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at I have a state college complete percentage. I ended
my career something like six. With all the reps you
get football all the time, twelve months out of the year,
you will become a better pastor on top of it,
once you understand how defense has worked, and you start
understanding the xs and those of the game, and now
you can start anticipating and plus all those reps you
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have of routes on air, and all the off season
work and all the training camp work and all the practices.
Yet Lamar Jackson is going to become a better pastor
at the same time. He's a complete freak of nature. Athlete.
I actually think he's a better runner than Michael Vick.
Maybe not total top end speed, but as far as
quickness and small spaces and ability to make people miss,
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I think he's better than Vic as far as a runners.
So you put that together and you see this improving
passing ability that he has that you that he is getting.
He's getting he had the coming a better pastor, and
you're starting to have a guy who can win football
games when you're behind by fortune or seventeen points in
the fourth cord because he can go up and just
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and throw the football. And if you go back to
his Brookie year in that playoff game where it was
sort of a disaster, like, man, I don't know about
Lamar Jackson. He can run, but he couldn't throw it
all in that game. And to see where he is now,
that's a credit to him. Let's create to his offensive
coordinate and quarterbacks coach and whoever he works with that
he has improved as a pastor, and as he goes
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in his career, he's gonna have to become a better
pastor because, as we all know, you can't run around
like that forever, especially if you want to play for
fifteen or or seventeen years, like some of these great
Hall of Fame quarterbacks do. So as his athletic ability
ath liability does decline, he is going to have to
become a better pastor, and I think he will again.
I don't think he's gonna be a throw or anytime soon,
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but I do think that he is going to be
good enough to be really really hard on defensive, and
of course that's where he is already right out. Yeah,
I also think, and you tell me, I feel like
they haven't gotten out of their core offense when they
get down anymore, right like it used to. They used
to try and go to spread it out and go
four or five wide, and now they just look, we're
just gonna keep doing what we do even when we
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get behind. And that that has, I think, giving him confidence,
but slowly over time work. And we shall also point
out that these comebacks, at least recently, we're talking to
the Lions not a good team. We're talking the Colts,
not a good team. Let's let's see Chargers are a
better football team. Let's see how it works against them.
Is it fair though, that they haven't they they haven't
taken the bait that so many teams that run the
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football a ton take, which is when you get behind,
go to throwing, which is not what they do best. Yeah,
and I think the more they run that offense, which
I promise you there's they're basically the only team on
us all that runs that style wall because they have
the only quarterback who is that type of player. And
the more you run something, the better you get at it.
You start sort of seeing all the bones are bared
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and then you know you're losing. Next you are you
going to four wide receivers or five driver receivers? Well
that's not Lamar, but he's been practicing for the last
couple of years and so he's not going to be
quite as good and nuanced at all those things, especially
protections and those because they just don't do it as much.
So I don't think they're going to get very far
if they continue to put themselves down by seventeen points
in the fourth quarter. But I do see them as
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one of the tougher teams to beat in the a
f C. They just got to find their defense to
be able to step it up to match where that
offense is moving the ball. Right now, Um, how do
you think Derek Carr plays not just with all this adversity,
but also without John Gruden. M maybe better. I don't know.
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I don't think John Gruden was the magic dust that
put on this Raiders offense and all of a sudden
that's why they were a good football team. I think
the Raiders are a good team. They've got some good
players on offense, They've got a good scheme. Uh, their
defenses was coming along. They're three and two. I like
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Olsen as as now sort of the de facto o
C head coached whatever, whatever his position is that I
guess at the o C. I think he'll do a
great job. I think this team has two choices. They've
got an opportunity in front of them. They can you say,
you know what, our head coach left in all this turmoil,
and we're gonna sort of go downhill and sort of
play out the games. Or they can start take it
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upon themselves and rise above it and take control of
that football team and play at a level that they
haven't played at yet. And the Oakland Raiders are playing
a really good football. Car was playing really good football
until that disaster of a game against the Bears last weekend.
Where you could just tell, man, this team is off.
There is a lot of players that were just off
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in that game, and you add them all up, it
ends up being a crappy performances, which is what they had.
So I think car might you know, sort of be
re uh reinvigorated about this whole situation, sort of take
this team him on his Like I've known this kid
since he was like thirteen or fourteen years old obviously
is David younger brother when I was in Houston, and
I can see him being the type of kid that
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really brings that, you know, sort of put that team
on his back and carries that team and maybe does
something that would surprise everybody. I'm sort of rooting, uh
in a weird way for the to the Oakland Raiders
this year. Never never was a Raider San, but I'm
sort of rooting for them and rooting for Derek carr
uh to to have a great season and to overcome
all this turmo that their head coach put them in.
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Stug gotlip show here on Fox Sport Trader. That's the
voice of Sage Rosenfeld's court longtime quarterback in the nash
Football League. Quarterback at Iowa state. Um uh okay, so
we know who's playing well, who's the guy who you're like,
you know he's not actually playing all that well when
you watch the quarterbacks on tape. Well, I do a
show in Chicago every single Tuesday and I break down
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the Bears offense. And Justin Fields is a player that
I've known since he was seventeen. Coachim in a high
school camp, sort of followed his career from Georgia to
Ohio States and now to the Bears. And of course
my dad's in Chicago, grew up a Bears fan, So
I have like a vested interest in this kid. And
it's not that he's playing bad, it's that the coaching
of the Bears offense is bad. Um, Matt Maggie is,
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in my opinion, the scheme that he had him in
his first career starts in Cleveland was maybe the worst
coaching performance that you will see in the National Football
League all year and maybe over the last four or
five years. It was uh, sort of pathetic of the
position that he put Justin Fields and then they change
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the offense. Bill Laser is doing something that that that
Justin should be doing under center. Little playues and little bootleg,
get the ball out quick, don't go five man protections,
no linebackers blitzing all over the place to confuse your
rookie quarterback. He completely changed the game plan and fields
this plane better in that system. I just wish that
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Fields was in San Diego in that system with Lombardi
or San Francisco or you know, or or or the Rams,
one of these teams where or Cleveland one of these
teams where I really do feel like a coach could
maximize his strengths. And right now, I sort of feel
like his weaknesses are being maximized. And as a young player,
you have a lot of them, and most of that
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is comes down to xs and os and comes down
to advanced details and protections and Field doesn't Mary yet
and almost no rookie is. But the coaching staff definitely
isn't helping him. Sage Rosenville joining us to Gotlip Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. We'll see Brady again tonight.
How does he keep doing this? You can throw that football.
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You can throw the football. And when you've been in
the game long enough, you know, when I watched a
football game, Uh, this morning, I watched the Chargers and
the Browns who rewatched it. When you turn it on,
especially from the All twenty two, you just I see
and collect so much information from formation to defense, to
wear that linebacker is to the front. I can't help
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myself but sort of see all the information. And Tom
Brady when he walks up to the line, he has
seen everything a thousand times, and so that ball hits
his hand, he pretty much knows where he wants to
go with the ball, which means he can get it
out quickly, he can get rid of it. He's not
waiting for people to come open. He's not he's not
reading the defense. He already has read the defense. And
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you know, as we all know, it's like throwing motions,
and he's got a great throwing motion. If you have
a good one, you can throw for a long time.
Asked Nolan Ryan Matt to pitch until he was in
his mid forties, right, So his throwing motion has probably
gotten better in his career, has become more efficient, and
his accuracy is incredible. So you have a guy who
is insanely after it, understands defenses uh better than any
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quarterback in NFL history, and his arm hasn't gotten any
weaker uh, and so, and he's got great weapons there.
So no, I think this keeps going. Uh as long
as you know, the defense and and uh and all
that sort of uh, you know, played together as a team,
and I think they're gonna be right there in the
NFC's race right down at the end. Pat Mahomes does
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lead the league in touchdown passes, but now all of
a sudden, he's stilling more receptions. You watch the tape,
what do you see. I see a guy who's trying
to score fourteen points on every drive because I think
he knows that his defense isn't very good, and so
he's one of those guys who, because he's such a
magician with the football in his hands, he's probably trying
to do a little bit too much because he probably
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feels he has to. And you know, that's what I see.
That's where I think the increase in the receptions is.
You know, they have five new offensive linemen this year,
and not man the NFL teams that bring in five
offensive linement after five guys go for for whatever reason.
So there is there is some issues there in Kansas,
and I think a lot of people had them right
back in the Super Bowl in the a f C,
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or at least right in the hunt. I think this
is a struggling football team, and I think what I
see out of Mahomes is a guy who's probably just
trying to do too much. I see him running around
owned a lot, and you so he can do that.
I think over time, that just wears a quarterback down.
And you really can't expect a quarterback to run around
constantly and make amazing plays that he does, and it
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went a lot of football games. I just think over
the course of the seventeen game season, you're just not
going to get enough magic out of Pat Mahomes, even
though he might be the most magical player in the
National Football League from the quarterback position. He says rose
and fells. He played in the league, He studies the league,
He works with the quarterbacks in the league. Saves you
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Gotlie Show Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're doing well. Um,
who is it cold in here. I feel a draft time.
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This is game time on the Doug gott leaves Isaac Lowankron.
What's the game today? Yes, indeed, Doug, the game today
is I feel a draft yet. I forgot my sweater
in the car, Doug. Today we're gonna do the old
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four person draft one through four and then snakes back
five through eight. The draft order starts with you. Jason
Stewart will be the second pick, then John Ramos, then
oh me, can't stand that guy. What we're drafting today?
Your choice for the hero of Game five tonight between
the Dodgers and the Giants, who will join the likes
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of Bobby Thompson, Joe Morgan and the lore of this
historic rivalry. Doug, you got the first pick. Who is
your choice for who will be the hero tonight? And
before you pick the wind uh, the conditions are absolutely
gorgeous right now in San Francisco. Gorgeous, gorgeous, darling. Um My,
So I can be either team. Yes, I'm gonna start
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with Logan Webb. Alright. I mean, look, Logan Webb ten
strike out seven and two thirds in Game one. If
he pitches, well, you know, if he gets to the
seventh inning. I mean, there's your there's your hero. If
he can shut down this dynamic offense alright, a web
jam Jason Stewart, Yeah, Doug's choice kind of hurts. Um.
I you know, Justin Turner hasn't done anything in this series.
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He's been our well that was previous, yeah, I guess
that was a play in Right Playing Game. Um, but
he hasn't done much this series, and he's always been
our our hero. So I think this is the game
that he comes through. I don't know what it'll be,
but it'll be something double whatever it takes, maybe even
a diving catch. But Justin Turner's my pick. Alright. Next
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John Ramos Well, I think the best player on any
of the team is Mookie Betts. I think he is
exceptionally the best player in this whole series. It's gonna
be a Mookie Bets to night tonight if he comes
through the top three of the Dodges order had to
come through. They were over for eleven and game four
in game three and like six for ten or Game four.
So I like Mookie Betts and his big game tonight.
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I'm not gonna check my mentions on Twitter at Isaac
long Cron after this one. But Cody Belainger, Oh, I'm stadistic,
all right, I'm gonna go Cody Bellinger. And then, uh,
we talked about their picture tonight, Corey Knabel, I'm calling
him not their starter, but their opening picture. I'm gonna
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go Cody Bellinger. And then Julio Urius is the fourth
and fifth pick. So now we go back to you.
John Ramos Well, I look, I'm no Giants fan, but
I respect and deeply enjoy Buster Posey. So if anybody's
gonna come through tonight for the Giants, it's gonna be
Buster Posey. So he would be a hero on the
Giant side tonight for me. Pocket full of posies. Jason
Stewarts respect I honestly I can't believe that this guy
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has fallen to me. I mean, this might might be
the steel of the draft. He's the reason why we
won the World Series last year. Out of your pocket,
my Dodgers, I go back to the mid seventies. I
can claim a we on this. Uh, Corey Seeger is
my seventh in the seventh swot. I'll take Corey Seeger alright.
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So apparently the Laramie tounsil of this particular draft, and Doug,
we wrap with you w R A P. Not okay, boy,
you're talking about falling Daid. All right, there we go
the key. If the Dodgers are gonna win, Kenley Janson
is gonna have to close the door. Kenley Jansen, this
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is game time on the Doug Gottli Show, not Doug
Gottli Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Why did you
not pick Kenny Jansen? Um? Help me out there, jays too?
Why why why Kaysan? Kenny Jansen? It's only a hitter
can be a hero. I have a complicated relationship with
Kenley Jansen. I I don't love Kenny Janson as the
closer either, to be totally. Yeah, he's he's always been
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kind of frustrating for me. I know he had a
great second half of this season, but let's just put
it this way, if it comes down to Kenley Jansen, UM,
I'm probably not going to be able to look at
the TV. You have a complicated relationship. You just don't
think he's actually all that good. Oh no, no, I
think he's all a famer. He just he just always
this circus high wire act when he comes in. You know,
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it's not. It's never easy with ken Way. I don't
think he's a Hall of Famer, but I don't think
it's all a famer either. By the way, what John,
Wait a minute, you're a Dodger guy. Yeah, I think
it's the word raw emotions here. I'm just like, we're
just John and I are like thinking the same. Like, wait,
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the one year they win the World Series, Marias closes
the door, right, not Kenley Jansen? When did you ever,
when did ever any team ever not trust a Hall
of Fame player in a situation like that? I can't.
I mean, you know, you know Madison well, but they
would roll kersher out there all the time, whether or
not he didn't perform. But that's a different story. But
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they always the guy pitched in like three consecutive three
day games, like keep throwing him out there. So yeah,
Madison bub Garner the guy they threw him out there, Like,
I don't care. I'd rather have this guy pitched because
he's a Hall of Famer. Kenny Johnson's a very, very
good and I apologize to David Vase because he loved
he had a big um. Thinks that we right on
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Jansen way too much. Just dodge your fans in general,
and they probably do. They probably do. But he is
a very very good picture. He is not a Hall
of Famer. I'm with I'm with Ramos on this one.
By the way, in the World Series last year, he
had a ten point eight Oh e r a um Isaac,
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you had eleven point r e r A. Correct, you
had one more run than Nick Kelly Jennsen had. Actually,
this kind of goes into the complicated part. Last year. Yeah,
we thought he was done. I honestly didn't think he
would be the closure coming into this season, and he's
had a resurgence, but again, I don't trust him. He
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was subject of daily consternation on in the l A
media last year. I mean daily, every single day. Yeah,
you know, I hope he does well. Though I'm not
saying he's like he's like a bad version of Mariano Rivera.
I just I just mean like he's like the Dodgers
so badly want everybody wants a Mario river and he's
just not that good. But Mariovero was like one pitch,
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just come in. But Mario ver is so it was
so much better. And look, Mario Vera had to when
they lost to the Red Sox. That was him, lost
the timebacks, that was him. But there were so many
years in which he was just where he actually did it. Yeah,
right in the World Series. Okay, uh, he's He's had
pitched in eleven games. He has a four point four
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oh e r A. You know, he's given up five
home runs in fourteen innings pitched in the World Series,
and and all of his numbers dramatically change in the
World Series. And I don't think that's a product of chokey.
I think it's a product of one fatigue and two
it's just a different level. You have a different level
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of dominance. That Garry All home run in Game one
of the twenty seventeen World Series, that that did it right,
That was the end. We're we're together on. But I
picked him as a potential hero because he comes in
and he closes the door and people Kenny Jansen is
all of famers. You know, it's kind of weird that,
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Like Tom Brady is on TV tonight, nobody's talking about it.
Is that weird to anybody else? Um coming him next,
I want to talk about Pat Malomes. I wanta talk
about Pat mahomes show. Pat Mahomes legal league in touchdowns,
but probably can lead the league of interceptions as well,
and there's lots of discussions about why, and for the
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most part, people have said, because he's trying to win
a game by himself. You know this is actually who
Pat Mahomes is. I'll prove it to you next in
the Doug Gotlip Show.
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We have a huge baseball game tonight, Giants Noyers from
San Francisco. We'll get to that. Uh. We have a
rather large NFL game with the Buccaneers taken on the Eiggles.
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We'll address that. Plus you'll hear from Odell Beckham Jr.
Brandon Staley. Um wait to hear what the Ravens had
to say about usin Herbert the Love Affair. Luke Fickle
is gonna join us right, He's gonna join us at
one West Coast time for East Coast time, right, head
coach of the bear Cats Cincinnata. Their number three ranked
in the country and they're undefeated. I am not going
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to make him, um stand up on the soapbox and
tell us why his team is awesome when his team
is clearly awesome. Um, so we got a bunch of things.
John palm Rose is gonna join us. Should we interview
him in English or in Spanish? What do you guys think?
It's because John palm Ross is completely fluent bilingual and
(01:36):
it's amazing what he does. My questions would be terrible
if they were in Spanish, don't they? Esta la mesa?
Donta est la pluma la pluma and la mesa still
got I'm getting kidding. I'm making fun of my own
ineptitude with espanol um. Karee Irving is a master of
the English language. He's an all star point guard. He's
(01:56):
a superstar caliber player. So he took the Instagram last
night and what I'm gonna play for you play three
different cuts, spent a little time in the middle, and
I want you to think about what you hear. I'll
tell you what I hear and we'll discuss it. First
Year is Kyrie Irving, addressing the rumors that he is retiring.
(02:18):
I had to stop running away from using my voice
and using my platform to uh, you know, speak on
what's true and what's mine. You know, nobody's gonna hijack
my voice. Nobody's gonna take the power away from me
that I have for speaking on these things, you know,
And don't believe that I'm retiring. Don't believe that. You know,
I'm gonna give up this game for a vaccine mandate. Okay,
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but you don't want to play because of the vaccine mandate.
So there in lies the rub right, there's like a
constant contradiction there. It just is, there's a country dediction there.
Here's Kyrie is saying we should pay attention to the
world around us. All these people saying all these things
about what's going on with me, and it's just not true.
Pay attention to what's going on out in the real world.
(03:03):
You know, people are losing their jobs to these mandates.
People are having to make choices with their own lives,
which I respect, you know, and and I don't want
to sit here and and play on people's emotions either.
Just use logic. You know, what would you do, you know,
if if you felt uncomfortable going into the season when
you were promised that you would have exemptions or that
you didn't have to be forced to get the vaccine.
(03:24):
You know, this wasn't an issue before the season started. This,
this wasn't something that I foresaw coming where I prepare
for it. Okay, things change. It's a pandemic. But he's
saying he was told that he wouldn't have to get
the vaccine. Now he does have to get the vaccine,
and he's reacting accordingly. Here's Kyrie when he just came
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to say, Hi, I came into the season thinking that
I was just gonna be able to play ball, you know,
and be able to use my talent uh to continue
to uh, you know, inspire influence people in the right way.
Like putting this on me? Just like why are you
putting it on me? You know, like this this is
not part of you know, what's going on in conversations
with scientists, physicians and doctors. I'm just a hooper, right Like,
(04:09):
I'm just a person who's being utilized as an example
for some odd reason. You know, people love to have
my name in the mix of just some bs. Uh.
That's Kyrie Irving. I feel bad for Kyrie because he
has been told how smart he is and that can
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be um Honestly, not a compliment, but he's taking it
as a compliment. I do agree with him in terms
of using his platform and not staying silent. I think
that's absolutely smart and absolutely true. And it's one of
the main criticisms of Colin Kaepernick, which is, Okay, you
took a knee, but then you had nothing to say,
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and throughout all of these years you have nothing to say.
You have a huge platform and you have followers. Help us,
show us what are you actually fighting for? How can
we help be part of a change? Right? Like that
was the thing with the Kaepernick thing, where he brought
awareness to a problem. Okay, he protested in a way
(05:16):
in which drew our attention based upon some help and
and it became a thing, and then it was the
movement was a rudderless ship, and frankly was hijacked by
other movements. Kyrie is saying, well, people are losing their jobs.
I love the idea that it's a personal decision. Yes,
he has personal decision play make money or don't. That's
(05:39):
a personal decision. But the when you're part of a team,
and you're part of a union, and the union collectively bargains,
and this is what came out of the collective bargain agreement.
You have to get vaccinated or you run the risk
of not being able to play. You know, Kyrie got
(06:00):
I'm sure it was vaccinated when he was a kid,
if not before he played a duke. You can't go
to duke unless you're inoculated. It's the vaccine different. Sure, sure,
but what we're we're conflating all of these different ideas
of personal freedom, and we the the the issue with
Kyrie is he's not that smart. Okay, he's he's he's
(06:23):
not a dummy, but he's not nearly as smart as
he thinks he is. None of us actually are right.
You are not an epidemiamologist. You are not an infectious
disease specialist. You're not. And those group of people have
gotten together and this currently is the best that we
(06:45):
could do. And he's like, I don't like being part
of the drama. Well, one, you could just simply say
why you're doing what you're doing and understand that your
talents are respected, and that's the only reason we're still
talking about you. Plenty of people don't get the shot.
(07:06):
They're just not gonna play in the NBA. But I
just Kyrie is one of those guys that is not
a dummy, but he's not nearly as smart as he
thinks he is, and he's trying to kind of outsmart
the world and make a point that doesn't really make
the point. He's interested in the greater good, but in
the financial well being of the greater good Like that
(07:28):
doesn't make any sense. Isn't it more important that people
are healthy while working than just simply working. You can
do both all of those. Anybody who quits because of
a vaccine mandate can absolutely positively get the vaccine and
still keep working, and and most people are in fact vaccine.
(07:51):
There's been so many despicable and disgraceful lies told about things.
You know. There's a guy who played for the Atlanta Hawks,
and he things he had blood clots because of the vaccine. Okay,
it's it's Is it possible? Yes? Is it likely? I
don't know based upon the numbers. No, I don't know.
I don't know his own medical history. I don't know.
(08:12):
I can tell you this that no one who plays
in the NBA, no one who plays in professional sports
outside of this one loan player. We've had a cup
of coffee for the for the Hawks last year. Their
organization has had any sort of complications. You know, you're
(08:38):
told by people who don't know what the hell they're
talking about about, how what percentage of people, how many
people get sick for use the vaccine, Yet none of
these people have And if Kyrie's really for the greater good,
then getting the vaccine is in fact the right decision
to make. But we operate in a in a in
a world in which we think we're totally free, and
(08:59):
we're not. We're just not, and rightfully so there has
to be some checks and some balances. My first year
playing professionally was in two thousand, two thousand one. I
played in Russia. Russia at the time total capitalist, capitalist
society and real capitalist society is super rich, super poor,
(09:23):
very little in the middle. There weren't people helping out
those in need. That's why we have far made That's
why we have welfare. That's why we have some form
of universal health care. That's why in our country, even
before we had universal health care, even now, if you
don't have insurance to get hit by a car, you're
still gonna be treated at a hospital. That's part of
(09:44):
being the greatest country in the world. You don't want
complete and total freedom. You also don't want complete and
total socialism communism. That's not who we are either. But
he's the rules have been pretty well situated, can pretty
well set up. You wanted to play in Brooklyn, that
(10:07):
was your team. Now, could you have foreseen what's happening
or were you told some sort of uh, mistruths and
falsities and lies before the season about if you could
play without being vaccinated. If you didn't see the way
this thing is going. I can't really help you. But
you thought you'd play in New York City not be vaccinated?
What what what are you living in? New York City has
(10:29):
been decimated, decimated by this thing. It's not just the
deaths by COVID, with the sickness by COVID, but the
city people moved out. They're like, I'm done, I'm out.
I'm moving to Connecticut, I'm moving to Jersey. I'm moving
far away where I can just work online. It's been devastating,
but all these things have been put in place because
it's for the greater good. So the the hypocrisy to
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what he's saying is, hey, I love basketball, not enough.
Hey I'm willing to take a stand that is actually
the stand. The standard for personal freedoms, okay, but the
standard for the greater good. The greater good is getting
the vaccine. Yes, uh, yes, Chase too. Hey Doug, if
you're if you're running in the nets right now and
(11:14):
you watch that what is it minute Instagram? Wive? Um?
What what do you do with with Kyrie? Like what happens?
I just think you let him sit? So no trade? No,
because Kyrie is I mean, he's made it pretty clear
like the money isn't, the isn't the most important thing
(11:34):
to him, and he's willing to sacrifice it. And so
all they've been able to do, and this is part
of the non vaccine mandate that you don't have in
the NBA is we can't mandate it, but we can
sure threaten you, and we can do everything in our
power to make you do it without making you do it.
That's what they've done. That's what they've done. So what
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do I do? Nothing? I hope the vaccine mandate is lifted.
And meanwhile I have some really smart pe pool called
Kyrie and go like, hey, dude, can I just give
you a real sense of what we're doing here? Why
we're doing it, how it makes sense why you need it.
And I think my guests would be ultimately he gets vaccinated.
(12:15):
But you know, if there's one guy who you would say,
who's the guy in the NBA to not get vaccine
when everybody else does, Kyrie would be number one or
two on everybody's list. This is like the least surprising
thing of all time. And I find it curious that
he's talking about people's personal There's all kinds of things
(12:38):
you have to do in sacrifice to work. He's never
had a real job in his life, Like this is
the the amazing part about it, right, Like I've never
had a real job in his life. So basketball players
and I was a professional athlete, and you we we
think we work hard, but I remember having two practs
to day playing overseas and thinking, God, this is a job.
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But the truth is that was four hours of work
a day. There was some prep, you know, there was stretching,
there was managing your body and your sleep and all
the other stuff. But like that ain't real work. Ask
somebody who really works, what's that like? Asking nurse what
it's like? Now? I ask somebody who really that's a
coal miner what it's like, and there's sacrifices for every job,
(13:22):
there's sacrifices for every team. And Kyrie can say, I'm
not being selfish, I'm thinking of other people. But the
truth is you're being selfish because you're putting your desires
to make a point above that of everybody else in
the locker room. Hey dude, I thought we call came
here to win a championship. It is very winnable and
and it it maybe and I'm not trying to take
(13:43):
a shot at the messenger, but remember this is Kyrie
who didn't want to go to the bubble, who said
there was racism, He implied there was racism, and playing
in the bubble, you know, Kyrie has been a constant contradiction.
He can say he's a good teammate, can say he's
not selfish. That wasn't the case in Boston, it wasn't
the case in Cleveland. He's an amazing talent, and that's
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why we're still talking about it. That's why people still
want him. That's why he was going to get a
contract extension. But somebody told him he was too smart.
He was smart, and he's become too smart for his
own good. He's overthinking this thing and he's going to
ruin his career and this team. Be sure to catch
the live edition of the Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at
(14:27):
three p m. Easter noon Pacific Doug Gotlip Show, Fox
Sports Radio Stage. Rosen Fell's form NFL quarterback from in
Iowa state legend gonna join us. Uh shortly got a
lot to get to with him. Speaking of quarterbacks. Um,
they asked Lamar Jackson about Justin Herbert. Take a listen
to what he said. Having watched those guys like that,
(14:49):
but I do see him on Instagram and stuff like that,
Flash and Ron doing his thing. You know, he's a
very talent at the quarterback, and you know he's been
doing this thing hopefully slowed down a little bit when
we're playing against him. You know, we don't want to
have hYP him up too bad as we man, you know,
but um, he's definitely been brought control. Here's WENK Martine,
who of course the defensive coordiny of the Ravens, talking
about the Chargers offense. I think he's one of those
guys who could throw a strawberry through through a battleship.
(15:11):
You know what, I mean, he's got tremendous arm talent. Uh,
he is the prototypical NFL quarterback if if you will,
and and looking at him, and and he's got a
lot of talent that that goes with that arm as
far as himself of reading coverages and and he has
great targets to throw too. So it's gonna be a
big time challenge. Um. Look, I think everybody's gotten on
(15:34):
board with Justin Herbert. And it's interesting, you know. I
saw a piece on TV earlier today about how Lamar
Jackson is, uh is the new NFL quarterback. I actually
don't think that's the case. I think Lamar Jackson is
an outlier, right. He is an absolute freak town as
an athlete, and uh, he has worked and worked and
(15:57):
worked to make himself a better thrower. But the type
of at rob speed, twitchy athleticism to go along with
armed talent and confidence. And let's also not forget being
put in the perfect system with a coaching staff that
has embraced it with the defense his first couple of years,
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which carried him like the whole thing worked together. Justin
Herbert is actually the prototypical New age quarterback. He too big, strong,
can run, comes up a family of athletes, and like Lamar,
there are a lot of questions about him when he
came out, and he's exceeded anyone's expectations. But he's better
from the pocket and in terms of his manipulation of
(16:41):
safeties and the defenses. It's elite at a very young age.
We'll last age. Rosenfeld's about him, surely, but those are
two star quarterbacks. Like if you don't know by now
you have been paying attention. Here we go. Let's let's
get to um Isaac Lowan cron Ilo. What's going on?
Sports Doug. The St. Louis Cardinals today shockingly fired manager
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Mike Schilt, who led them to the postseason in each
of US three full seasons at the Helm. Team president
John Maseliak said that Shilton was fired over philosophical differences,
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he stage. Rosen Fell's of course, longtime quarterback in the
Nation Football League now kind of quarterback savant. We'll see
him on TV as well. Say let me ask you
about Justin Herbert um how how good is he? A
great player? He's a great player. He has all the
things you're looking for. Um. I think there was questions
coming out and I probably could include myself and that
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long list of quarter quarterback experts that weren't super high
on him. And one of the reasons I wasn't high
in him is because they threw a lot of bubble screens.
They sort of ran a weird offensive Oregon. I didn't
You weren't seeing a lot of like twenty five yard
steam routes and throws routes, throw outs down the field
that you've seen a lot of LFL games. I was like,
I'm not really sure how this kid's gonna translate. But
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when you break it down, he's accurate. Uh, he's got
a strong arm, he got great pocket presence and movement.
He's a tremendous athlete. I mean he's really on par
with like a Josh Allen as far as athletes of them,
maybe even better. So you add all those things up
and then you put them with what I think are
too really good offensive minds. Offensive Cordner, Joe Lombardi, who
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would come from the Saints. So you're getting that sort
of Drew Brees offense with an extremely talented quarterback, and
Shane Day's or quarterbacks coach would come from the San
Francisco forty Niners. So you're sure of getting Sean mcuh
Sean Payton, and Kyle Shanahan in an offense that is
great for this young rookie. So I really do think
the sky is the limit for him some of the
other day so they'd rather draft him than Pat Mahome
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to this point, I'm not going to make that move,
but he is up there as far as young quarterbacks,
all these young guys that are coming up in the league,
even like Lamar Jackson, Justin or Justin Herbert is near
the top of that last He is a very very
good quarterback. What's changed by your estimation with Lamar Jackson?
I have my own kind of hypotheses, maybe even theory,
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but for you, you know, now they're coming from behind
now he's the feeling is they don't seem to freak
out as much when they get down big, whereas in
previous years, Um they struggle when they got behind. Why
is the changing in your mind? And what's happening in Baltimore? Yeah,
So in that conversation, you know, there's this sort of
thought that you don't become a better passer over time.
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It's like, do you become a better shooter in the NBA. Well,
if you're not a very good shoot, you may not
improve all that much. Maybe a little bit. But I
do feel, because based off my own experiences, I do
feel you can become a better pastor in this league. Um,
will he ever be a great passer? No? Will he
have to be the most accurate quarterback back in the league.
I don't think so. But shoot at when I was
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at I have a state college complete percentage. I ended
my career something like six. With all the reps you
get football all the time, twelve months out of the year,
you will become a better pastor on top of it,
once you understand how defense has worked, and you start
understanding the xs and those of the game, and now
you can start anticipating and plus all those reps you
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have of routes on air, and all the off season
work and all the training camp work and all the practices.
Yet Lamar Jackson is going to become a better pastor
at the same time. He's a complete freak of nature. Athlete.
I actually think he's a better runner than Michael Vick.
Maybe not total top end speed, but as far as
quickness and small spaces and ability to make people miss,
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I think he's better than Vic as far as a runners.
So you put that together and you see this improving
passing ability that he has that you that he is getting.
He's getting he had the coming a better pastor, and
you're starting to have a guy who can win football
games when you're behind by fortune or seventeen points in
the fourth cord because he can go up and just
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and throw the football. And if you go back to
his Brookie year in that playoff game where it was
sort of a disaster, like, man, I don't know about
Lamar Jackson. He can run, but he couldn't throw it
all in that game. And to see where he is now,
that's a credit to him. Let's create to his offensive
coordinate and quarterbacks coach and whoever he works with that
he has improved as a pastor, and as he goes
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in his career, he's gonna have to become a better
pastor because, as we all know, you can't run around
like that forever, especially if you want to play for
fifteen or or seventeen years, like some of these great
Hall of Fame quarterbacks do. So as his athletic ability
ath liability does decline, he is going to have to
become a better pastor, and I think he will again.
I don't think he's gonna be a throw or anytime soon,
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but I do think that he is going to be
good enough to be really really hard on defensive, and
of course that's where he is already right out. Yeah,
I also think, and you tell me, I feel like
they haven't gotten out of their core offense when they
get down anymore, right like it used to. They used
to try and go to spread it out and go
four or five wide, and now they just look, we're
just gonna keep doing what we do even when we
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get behind. And that that has, I think, giving him confidence,
but slowly over time work. And we shall also point
out that these comebacks, at least recently, we're talking to
the Lions not a good team. We're talking the Colts,
not a good team. Let's let's see Chargers are a
better football team. Let's see how it works against them.
Is it fair though, that they haven't they they haven't
taken the bait that so many teams that run the
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football a ton take, which is when you get behind,
go to throwing, which is not what they do best. Yeah,
and I think the more they run that offense, which
I promise you there's they're basically the only team on
us all that runs that style wall because they have
the only quarterback who is that type of player. And
the more you run something, the better you get at it.
You start sort of seeing all the bones are bared
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and then you know you're losing. Next you are you
going to four wide receivers or five driver receivers? Well
that's not Lamar, but he's been practicing for the last
couple of years and so he's not going to be
quite as good and nuanced at all those things, especially
protections and those because they just don't do it as much.
So I don't think they're going to get very far
if they continue to put themselves down by seventeen points
in the fourth quarter. But I do see them as
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one of the tougher teams to beat in the a
f C. They just got to find their defense to
be able to step it up to match where that
offense is moving the ball. Right now, Um, how do
you think Derek Carr plays not just with all this adversity,
but also without John Gruden. M maybe better. I don't know.
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I don't think John Gruden was the magic dust that
put on this Raiders offense and all of a sudden
that's why they were a good football team. I think
the Raiders are a good team. They've got some good
players on offense, They've got a good scheme. Uh, their
defenses was coming along. They're three and two. I like
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Olsen as as now sort of the de facto o
C head coached whatever, whatever his position is that I
guess at the o C. I think he'll do a
great job. I think this team has two choices. They've
got an opportunity in front of them. They can you say,
you know what, our head coach left in all this turmoil,
and we're gonna sort of go downhill and sort of
play out the games. Or they can start take it
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upon themselves and rise above it and take control of
that football team and play at a level that they
haven't played at yet. And the Oakland Raiders are playing
a really good football. Car was playing really good football
until that disaster of a game against the Bears last weekend.
Where you could just tell, man, this team is off.
There is a lot of players that were just off
(25:47):
in that game, and you add them all up, it
ends up being a crappy performances, which is what they had.
So I think car might you know, sort of be
re uh reinvigorated about this whole situation, sort of take
this team him on his Like I've known this kid
since he was like thirteen or fourteen years old obviously
is David younger brother when I was in Houston, and
I can see him being the type of kid that
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really brings that, you know, sort of put that team
on his back and carries that team and maybe does
something that would surprise everybody. I'm sort of rooting, uh
in a weird way for the to the Oakland Raiders
this year. Never never was a Raider San, but I'm
sort of rooting for them and rooting for Derek carr
uh to to have a great season and to overcome
all this turmo that their head coach put them in.
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Stug gotlip show here on Fox Sport Trader. That's the
voice of Sage Rosenfeld's court longtime quarterback in the nash
Football League. Quarterback at Iowa state. Um uh okay, so
we know who's playing well, who's the guy who you're like,
you know he's not actually playing all that well when
you watch the quarterbacks on tape. Well, I do a
show in Chicago every single Tuesday and I break down
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the Bears offense. And Justin Fields is a player that
I've known since he was seventeen. Coachim in a high
school camp, sort of followed his career from Georgia to
Ohio States and now to the Bears. And of course
my dad's in Chicago, grew up a Bears fan, So
I have like a vested interest in this kid. And
it's not that he's playing bad, it's that the coaching
of the Bears offense is bad. Um, Matt Maggie is,
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in my opinion, the scheme that he had him in
his first career starts in Cleveland was maybe the worst
coaching performance that you will see in the National Football
League all year and maybe over the last four or
five years. It was uh, sort of pathetic of the
position that he put Justin Fields and then they change
(27:38):
the offense. Bill Laser is doing something that that that
Justin should be doing under center. Little playues and little bootleg,
get the ball out quick, don't go five man protections,
no linebackers blitzing all over the place to confuse your
rookie quarterback. He completely changed the game plan and fields
this plane better in that system. I just wish that
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Fields was in San Diego in that system with Lombardi
or San Francisco or you know, or or or the Rams,
one of these teams where or Cleveland one of these
teams where I really do feel like a coach could
maximize his strengths. And right now, I sort of feel
like his weaknesses are being maximized. And as a young player,
you have a lot of them, and most of that
(28:19):
is comes down to xs and os and comes down
to advanced details and protections and Field doesn't Mary yet
and almost no rookie is. But the coaching staff definitely
isn't helping him. Sage Rosenville joining us to Gotlip Show
here on Fox Sports Radio. We'll see Brady again tonight.
How does he keep doing this? You can throw that football.
(28:42):
You can throw the football. And when you've been in
the game long enough, you know, when I watched a
football game, Uh, this morning, I watched the Chargers and
the Browns who rewatched it. When you turn it on,
especially from the All twenty two, you just I see
and collect so much information from formation to defense, to
wear that linebacker is to the front. I can't help
(29:02):
myself but sort of see all the information. And Tom
Brady when he walks up to the line, he has
seen everything a thousand times, and so that ball hits
his hand, he pretty much knows where he wants to
go with the ball, which means he can get it
out quickly, he can get rid of it. He's not
waiting for people to come open. He's not he's not
reading the defense. He already has read the defense. And
(29:25):
you know, as we all know, it's like throwing motions,
and he's got a great throwing motion. If you have
a good one, you can throw for a long time.
Asked Nolan Ryan Matt to pitch until he was in
his mid forties, right, So his throwing motion has probably
gotten better in his career, has become more efficient, and
his accuracy is incredible. So you have a guy who
is insanely after it, understands defenses uh better than any
(29:49):
quarterback in NFL history, and his arm hasn't gotten any
weaker uh, and so, and he's got great weapons there.
So no, I think this keeps going. Uh as long
as you know, the defense and and uh and all
that sort of uh, you know, played together as a team,
and I think they're gonna be right there in the
NFC's race right down at the end. Pat Mahomes does
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lead the league in touchdown passes, but now all of
a sudden, he's stilling more receptions. You watch the tape,
what do you see. I see a guy who's trying
to score fourteen points on every drive because I think
he knows that his defense isn't very good, and so
he's one of those guys who, because he's such a
magician with the football in his hands, he's probably trying
to do a little bit too much because he probably
(30:31):
feels he has to. And you know, that's what I see.
That's where I think the increase in the receptions is.
You know, they have five new offensive linemen this year,
and not man the NFL teams that bring in five
offensive linement after five guys go for for whatever reason.
So there is there is some issues there in Kansas,
and I think a lot of people had them right
back in the Super Bowl in the a f C,
(30:52):
or at least right in the hunt. I think this
is a struggling football team, and I think what I
see out of Mahomes is a guy who's probably just
trying to do too much. I see him running around
owned a lot, and you so he can do that.
I think over time, that just wears a quarterback down.
And you really can't expect a quarterback to run around
constantly and make amazing plays that he does, and it
(31:13):
went a lot of football games. I just think over
the course of the seventeen game season, you're just not
going to get enough magic out of Pat Mahomes, even
though he might be the most magical player in the
National Football League from the quarterback position. He says rose
and fells. He played in the league, He studies the league,
He works with the quarterbacks in the league. Saves you
the best man. Have a good weekend. Thanks having me
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Gotlie Show Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're doing well. Um,
who is it cold in here. I feel a draft time.
(31:54):
This is game time on the Doug gott leaves Isaac Lowankron.
What's the game today? Yes, indeed, Doug, the game today
is I feel a draft yet. I forgot my sweater
in the car, Doug. Today we're gonna do the old
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four person draft one through four and then snakes back
five through eight. The draft order starts with you. Jason
Stewart will be the second pick, then John Ramos, then
oh me, can't stand that guy. What we're drafting today?
Your choice for the hero of Game five tonight between
the Dodgers and the Giants, who will join the likes
(32:37):
of Bobby Thompson, Joe Morgan and the lore of this
historic rivalry. Doug, you got the first pick. Who is
your choice for who will be the hero tonight? And
before you pick the wind uh, the conditions are absolutely
gorgeous right now in San Francisco. Gorgeous, gorgeous, darling. Um My,
So I can be either team. Yes, I'm gonna start
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with Logan Webb. Alright. I mean, look, Logan Webb ten
strike out seven and two thirds in Game one. If
he pitches, well, you know, if he gets to the
seventh inning. I mean, there's your there's your hero. If
he can shut down this dynamic offense alright, a web
jam Jason Stewart, Yeah, Doug's choice kind of hurts. Um.
I you know, Justin Turner hasn't done anything in this series.
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He's been our well that was previous, yeah, I guess
that was a play in Right Playing Game. Um, but
he hasn't done much this series, and he's always been
our our hero. So I think this is the game
that he comes through. I don't know what it'll be,
but it'll be something double whatever it takes, maybe even
a diving catch. But Justin Turner's my pick. Alright. Next
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John Ramos Well, I think the best player on any
of the team is Mookie Betts. I think he is
exceptionally the best player in this whole series. It's gonna
be a Mookie Bets to night tonight if he comes
through the top three of the Dodges order had to
come through. They were over for eleven and game four
in game three and like six for ten or Game four.
So I like Mookie Betts and his big game tonight.
(34:06):
I'm not gonna check my mentions on Twitter at Isaac
long Cron after this one. But Cody Belainger, Oh, I'm stadistic,
all right, I'm gonna go Cody Bellinger. And then, uh,
we talked about their picture tonight, Corey Knabel, I'm calling
him not their starter, but their opening picture. I'm gonna
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go Cody Bellinger. And then Julio Urius is the fourth
and fifth pick. So now we go back to you.
John Ramos Well, I look, I'm no Giants fan, but
I respect and deeply enjoy Buster Posey. So if anybody's
gonna come through tonight for the Giants, it's gonna be
Buster Posey. So he would be a hero on the
Giant side tonight for me. Pocket full of posies. Jason
Stewarts respect I honestly I can't believe that this guy
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has fallen to me. I mean, this might might be
the steel of the draft. He's the reason why we
won the World Series last year. Out of your pocket,
my Dodgers, I go back to the mid seventies. I
can claim a we on this. Uh, Corey Seeger is
my seventh in the seventh swot. I'll take Corey Seeger alright.
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So apparently the Laramie tounsil of this particular draft, and Doug,
we wrap with you w R A P. Not okay, boy,
you're talking about falling Daid. All right, there we go
the key. If the Dodgers are gonna win, Kenley Janson
is gonna have to close the door. Kenley Jansen, this
(35:32):
is game time on the Doug Gottli Show, not Doug
Gottli Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Why did you
not pick Kenny Jansen? Um? Help me out there, jays too?
Why why why Kaysan? Kenny Jansen? It's only a hitter
can be a hero. I have a complicated relationship with
Kenley Jansen. I I don't love Kenny Janson as the
closer either, to be totally. Yeah, he's he's always been
(35:54):
kind of frustrating for me. I know he had a
great second half of this season, but let's just put
it this way, if it comes down to Kenley Jansen, UM,
I'm probably not going to be able to look at
the TV. You have a complicated relationship. You just don't
think he's actually all that good. Oh no, no, I
think he's all a famer. He just he just always
this circus high wire act when he comes in. You know,
(36:15):
it's not. It's never easy with ken Way. I don't
think he's a Hall of Famer, but I don't think
it's all a famer either. By the way, what John,
Wait a minute, you're a Dodger guy. Yeah, I think
it's the word raw emotions here. I'm just like, we're
just John and I are like thinking the same. Like, wait,
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the one year they win the World Series, Marias closes
the door, right, not Kenley Jansen? When did you ever,
when did ever any team ever not trust a Hall
of Fame player in a situation like that? I can't.
I mean, you know, you know Madison well, but they
would roll kersher out there all the time, whether or
not he didn't perform. But that's a different story. But
(36:57):
they always the guy pitched in like three consecutive three
day games, like keep throwing him out there. So yeah,
Madison bub Garner the guy they threw him out there, Like,
I don't care. I'd rather have this guy pitched because
he's a Hall of Famer. Kenny Johnson's a very, very
good and I apologize to David Vase because he loved
he had a big um. Thinks that we right on
(37:19):
Jansen way too much. Just dodge your fans in general,
and they probably do. They probably do. But he is
a very very good picture. He is not a Hall
of Famer. I'm with I'm with Ramos on this one.
By the way, in the World Series last year, he
had a ten point eight Oh e r a um Isaac,
(37:39):
you had eleven point r e r A. Correct, you
had one more run than Nick Kelly Jennsen had. Actually,
this kind of goes into the complicated part. Last year. Yeah,
we thought he was done. I honestly didn't think he
would be the closure coming into this season, and he's
had a resurgence, but again, I don't trust him. He
(37:59):
was subject of daily consternation on in the l A
media last year. I mean daily, every single day. Yeah,
you know, I hope he does well. Though I'm not
saying he's like he's like a bad version of Mariano Rivera.
I just I just mean like he's like the Dodgers
so badly want everybody wants a Mario river and he's
just not that good. But Mariovero was like one pitch,
(38:22):
just come in. But Mario ver is so it was
so much better. And look, Mario Vera had to when
they lost to the Red Sox. That was him, lost
the timebacks, that was him. But there were so many
years in which he was just where he actually did it. Yeah,
right in the World Series. Okay, uh, he's He's had
pitched in eleven games. He has a four point four
(38:44):
oh e r A. You know, he's given up five
home runs in fourteen innings pitched in the World Series,
and and all of his numbers dramatically change in the
World Series. And I don't think that's a product of chokey.
I think it's a product of one fatigue and two
it's just a different level. You have a different level
(39:05):
of dominance. That Garry All home run in Game one
of the twenty seventeen World Series, that that did it right,
That was the end. We're we're together on. But I
picked him as a potential hero because he comes in
and he closes the door and people Kenny Jansen is
all of famers. You know, it's kind of weird that,
(39:25):
Like Tom Brady is on TV tonight, nobody's talking about it.
Is that weird to anybody else? Um coming him next,
I want to talk about Pat Malomes. I wanta talk
about Pat mahomes show. Pat Mahomes legal league in touchdowns,
but probably can lead the league of interceptions as well,
and there's lots of discussions about why, and for the
(39:47):
most part, people have said, because he's trying to win
a game by himself. You know this is actually who
Pat Mahomes is. I'll prove it to you next in
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