February 8, 2022 • 39 mins
Doug reacts to the news that Dodgers SP Trevor Bauer will not face criminal charges for the accusations levied against him last season, Hall of Fame Lions RB Barry Sanders joins the show, and hear from LaVar Arrington and Brady Quinn on What The Fox Say!
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So will uh ok bar bojam Bajamilia join us? Yes, sorry, Bar,
I'm no knock bar A long time since. He was
a football player at San Diego State course KGB with
his brother. That was way easier because there is no
a J B A J B right or a B
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A g B K g B was. That's a cool nickname.
Why can't ok Barb had started his name with the
K that would have been he would have been KGB
as well. Anyway, Um, here's the one. We obviously wanted
to talk football and some of the things going on.
Football was but this Trevor Bauer story is fascinating. Okay,
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let me give you the reader's digest version of it.
Trevor Bauer was he's always been a guy who super opinionated,
can't rub some people the wrong way. Remember we'll go
back to the Cleveland days. And didn't he have a
a drone camera drone? Uh, he had a drone that
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he cut his finger on and he missed some time,
and then he tried to pitch in the playoffs and
he remember his finger was dripping blood because he reopened
some suitures whatever. And it's one of those like it
could happen to anybody. It just happened to happen Trevor Bauer.
So he's a kind of unique fellaw a tremendous picture,
tremendous and as a free agent signed with the l
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A Dodgers a two play this one year deal. Going
back to last offseason, everything was going well until there
were accusations by a former um romantic partner of sorts
that he had actually punched her, right punched her. And
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there's photos and they're really graphic and really hard to
take if you just listen to Isaac Lowan Kran's update.
There will be no criminal charges because, among other things,
there are some text messages and other things that the
woman apparently wanted some form of rough activity. Right, everybody
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know what I'm talking. We're we're all good here on
I just did I miss any details of the story?
Dan Buyer? My all right, We're good, correct, So he's
not going to be criminally charged, will there be civil.
I don't know, but with no criminal charges even being pressed, right,
I'm not saying he was not guilty, which remember, not
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guilty does not mean innocence. It just means you're not guilty.
It's not going to trial. It's not even that he's
not going to be charged, very important distinction, not even charged.
But no one is arguing that he didn't strike this woman.
What he's saying is, look, this is what she was into,
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and she's saying I didn't want to be punched or
knocked out, and there are like that black eye. So
there's it's pretty pretty graphic story. But now you get
down to will he ever pitch in baseball again? Will
he pitch for the Dodgers again? Because remember, what you're
saying is, look, he has been not even charged with
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any sort of crime. But this is like who is
who among us is capable of striking a woman? Even
if a woman says hit me, you don't hit a woman.
So it's a really hard one if you're the Dodgers
do part ways with a guy simply because you feel
like it's the right thing to do, in the back
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of your mind thinking what so some other franchise compai
him to pitch for him, you know, and it's not
it's not been charged with a crime like this is
the and I've said this about the Jamis Winston thing
just to be completely fair, like Jamis Winston was never
charged with a crime Jamis Winston. They've there's been three
different times in which there has been an investigation, none
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of which and even the Title nine that's one of
the three, the Title nine accusations, and the bar that
you need to cross over in order to be charged
of the Title nine violation is not particularly high in
terms of burden and proof. So as much as people
want to say that Jamis Winston did something, there have
been no charge, there is no there there is no
criminal charges. So again, in the world of innocent, nail
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proven guilty, Jamis Winston is absolutely positively innocent of whatever
he was accused of because there were no charges ever
brought and anytime it's been investigation, he has not been
found guilty of anything. That said, do you think Trevor
Bauer pitches again? Would you be okay with him pitching
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for the Dodgers. I'll start with this, Yes, I think
he should pitch again. Yes, I think he should pitch
for the Dodgers because the last, because I do believe
that in our system of justice, you are innocent until
proven guilty. And though I would never strike coldman a right,
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I can tell you that I'm also not privy to
whatever type of activity those two were into. And I
do believe that there are times in which things can
start as It's just like when you're messing around with
your brother, right, it starts instantly enough, and then hey,
someone's gonna get hurt. Someone's gonna get hurt, and somebody
does get hurt. I understand it. We're talking about a
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different level and and man, men and women, and you're
old enough to make appropriate decisions and all that stuff.
I do believe he should. I don't know if he will.
I was led to believe earlier in the year that
there's no chance he pitches for the Dodgers again. There's
no chance he pitches in Major League Baseball again, even
if found innocent. Because he's admitted to punching a woman
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multiple times. It's a really weird place to be in.
Let me start with you, Dan By, what do you think. Yeah,
I think that he will end up playing again. I
think it will be with the Dodgers his contract. I
think a lot would would have that situation pop up.
I also don't think that the Dodgers would be it's
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a tough acquisition. Uh, despite how good of a picture
he is, UM, if you were to ship him out.
So I think he does pitch again. I think he
pitches for the Dodgers um after his contract expires, if
he chooses to opped out in or any three. Uh.
This may be a thing of the past, but for
right now, Yes, I believe that he pitches again. UM
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as soon as his team like took the tact where
they needed to defend the I guess plaintiff in this
matter what what Whenever they took the tack that he
had to admit to doing these things. I said in
two Friends and everybody else that I could tell he's
never gonna pict for the Dodgers again once you take
that tact and its public record. I don't think the
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Dodgers and what they represent and their brand and their
new ownership, I don't think that you can pitch for
the Dodgers again. I don't know contractually how how you
I don't know if you trade this, I don't know
how you get out of it. But I think he'll
pitch against somebody will will want him. I just don't
think the actually the Dodgers will have him pitching for
them next year because the accusations are one thing. The
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second he started admitting to doing these things, I said,
I think that's the last time we've seen him in
the Dodger uniform. So that's kind of my At this point,
m Ramos come gonna put a headset on John Ramos
has got Is he had the day off? Or is
he on the clock? Okay, John Ramos of the John
Ramos Show on The Dout Live Show. A great part
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about it is we are all kind of like behind
this set. John put his is in front, back everyone
off and walk around. If I'm not, I'm not used
to any of this stuff. What are you talking about?
We got used to this stuff. You're around this stuff
your entire professional life. That's true, but not on this stage. Okay.
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So I want to ask you, John, because you're a
gigantic Dodger fan. You also husband and a father of
of of a little girl. I have two little girls
as well, Um, and that's you know again, these are
and it's one of those things like what do I
tell about you have a conversation with him. You know
you have a gift to have a conversation with your kids,
but it's still hard to wait. How do I dead?
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Am I supposed to cheer for this guy who punched
a woman? Admitted a punching woman? What are you? Tennal Bauer?
Do you wanted to pittu your Dodges? Ever? Again? I
would say no. I don't know what was said earlier
here because I was sitting over in the corner, but
I would say no in time out. Yeah, I had
a baby. Nobody puts baby in the corner. John, Uh,
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you know I would say no. I think I believe
like his team wasn't happy with him, and nobody like
stood up for him or something like that, Like they
weren't excited that he would be on the team. So
I think if the Dodgers aren't excited by it, and
then as a fan, I wouldn't be excited about it.
So he had his chance if he's proven not guilty,
which they're not even coming to charges. So I mean,
you know, here here's the I will point this out,
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and I know that the Trevor Bauer is a different
fellow right, And so I do think that some of
that is real in terms of teammates not being toldly.
And he also hadn't been part of the team for
a long time, like it it had been very but
let we if we're honest for honest, that thing was toxic.
Nobody can come out and go, hey, Trevor's my guy, right,
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you just do get crucified if during early on the investigation,
when you're asked about it, you go like it, my god,
great dude, great dude, Like you just couldn't do it.
So I want to I would I would caution people, well,
this guy said this to the media. They athletes say
lots of things to the media knowing that they'll just
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curry favor, you know. So that's the It's more to me.
How you feel if you want him pitching for your
team at Chevezravie, Well, I would say I would say
I would if everything was cleared and everything was okay,
But it would be a very fine, very fine line.
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I mean, you know, I don't know. It's hard to
say because I think they're people that would look at
you and be like, how can you stand up for
something like that? And then you're only thinking about sports,
You're only thinking about winning, and that's and I don't know,
all right, Again, my my point is that again I
know it's graphic. It's not something I would do, Sure,
but if he's not being charge of the crime, like,
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what are we doing. We're doing double We're doing double
jeopardy for a guy who doesn't mean he didn't do
anything wrong. We didn't anything doing criminally wrong. I don't know.
This is where I think that his personality that rubbed
people the wrong way even prior to him is coming
to the Dodgers and throughout his career. Major League Baseball
weighs in on this because it was a personality that
was difficult to warm up too for some people. So
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now this prior to all of this coming out, So
now you have this other thing happening, and I think
it gives people an excuse to continue to not like
him and to uh want to do away with him.
I think that his past does play into how we
look at him. Still, I just think that I had
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I'd almost forgotten about this this part. And John made
a good point. The second this went down, the Dodgers
immediately turned their back on him. Um So as far
as I have to. No, no, no, I'm just saying, like,
you know, obviously removing jerseys and whatnot, But it was
it was I thought at the time it was I'm
an overreaction, and then as the details come out, you're like,
this is why they did it. I think those things
are just hard to like rebound from. And then have
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him pitching every fifth day for your team. I I
see him pitching somewhere. I just don't see him pitching here.
I mean, I understand, and I agree, and I was
in that thought, but then I'm like, why can't you
pitch for another team and not pitch for the Dodgers
that one doesn't I'm not sure how much do you
think them not making it to the World Series plays
into Well, it's funny you bring that up. Had the
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Dodgers not won the World Series two years ago, I
think he definitely would pitch for the Dodgers, But because
they wanted I'm not sure that they feel like they
need to sell their proverbial soul, right. It's like when
we sell our soul for the World Series, Like, well,
we just went in World Series couple years ago. What
do you guys think? Yeah, a little bit of a
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leeway there I believe to to kind of like, but no, no,
the leeway from Dodger fans who want to title every
single year two year to go as a distant memory
to the two guys that I'm looking at right now
who were losing their s So why why why can't
we not hit? Why we just we suck? As hitters?
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Were just the worst? No worst? Like, dude, you've been
in the plan, Like do you know, like for the
Angels have two best players in baseball and can't win,
bunk kiss, do you understand what it's actually like? That's
a great point. Yes, they won the World Series. But okay,
do you think Dodger fans if he wins a World Series?
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If if I could say yet yet you have Trevor
Bauer back, but he's but he's gonna win your World Series,
would they change their mind? I really don't. I don't.
I don't think so. I don't think the organization would
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Fox Sports Radio. Um, I believe that there's like five
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guys in the history of the NFL that if you
say their name, no one would argue that the the best
Everett what they did? Right? Jerry Rice the greatest wide
receiver of all time. Please don't start arguing with me.
It's not really worth it, right, just is okay? Um?
Ryan Lott was the greatest safety of all time. Not really.
Dion Sanders was the best cover corner of all of
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all time? Right, Lawrence Taylor was the best would I
guess rush end outside linebacker like of all time? And
then Barry Sanders is the greatest running back of all time. Now, look,
I understand Walter Payton had more yards, but that's because Barry.
We'll ask him why shut it down before he would
have passed his mark, But he wasn't like an untacklable player.
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It was really remarkable. It's kind of to spend some
time with this year. Um, what is that like to
carry the respect to walk into any room and you're
synonymous with the best at what you've you've done for
your football career. No, it's it's awesome, man. And I
just had to say, be careful what you say about
Walter Payton. Man, I mean, come on now, well listen.
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And it was amazing. And there's I mean, there's you know,
there's there's two or three other guys that you know.
I mean, Emmett was great and Walter pay was great,
but I don't know. I mean, and look, I think
Marshall Falk changed the position forever. You know, the ability
to catch it out of the back deal. But in
terms of just hand the ball, hand the guy the
ball and go make a play for us. There ain't
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it ever been anybody as good as as what you did.
What people don't know, no, go ahead, No for For me,
I just so much great pride um and playing the position. Um,
you know you talked about Walter. I was that little
kid watching studying Walter Payton, studying Terry Metcalfe or Greg
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Pruitt or Tony Dorrisset or Marcus Allen or a list
of you know other guys. Um, it was no bigger
honor um for me in the lineup at seven yards
deep as a running back. Um, it was just such
a big thrill and pleasure for me, and I put
all my work and effort into it, um, you know,
and just trying to stay healthy and and really um
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sharpen my skills and talent. Um. You know. I was,
I was that kid at you know, in middle school,
jogging in though my neighborhood, you know. Not you know,
I didn't know where it was gonna lead to, but
I just knew I wanted to get in shape for football.
And sometimes I barely saw the field. Um, but I
love being a part of a team. I love suiting
up and playing football at no matter what level. So
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so yeah, it was you know. So yeah, that's the
kind of mentality I took with me on ton of
fail field that it was just such great pride and
the privilege to play against the best players. Um. You know.
And I'm jealous of you, by the way, because you know,
my first love is basketball, you know. So you've been
a college basketball player, and I just have to say
I'm a little jealous sitting here. Players players and alfall
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players and you went to the before I did. But
all want to be basketball players, right and the most
Baskett players want to be they don't want to be
fall players. They want to be like rappers and performers
and singers or whatever. Right, everybody wants to be something
act and and and players to show up at the
Colvin Center right in the spring and want to hoop
with the basketball players. And you guys are all super athletic,
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dribbled like your dribble with your elbows, because it's a different,
you know, different stick and ball sport, but all crazy,
crazy athletic. I thought I was a little different though
than most football players. We don't have to get into
like my scouting report as a basketball player, you know.
So I'm just saying, you know, I'm a little jealous
of you. I'm a little more than a little. People
don't know. People don't know you were only a starter
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uncle the state for one year, right right, correct, because
but you were an All American kick returner as a
freshman as a sophomore, and you're like, who could possibly
start ahead of Barry States? Like they had a game
Thurman Thomas Bield wasn't insane. Insane? It was it was
And it was a treat for me because I I
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met Thurman on my recruiting trip. He doesn't remember it,
but I remember just talking to him, you know, um,
because the gentleman that showed me around was his sweet
mate or whatever. So he took me to talk to Thurman. Um,
you know. And at that year he um, I think
he had some Heisman Trophy votes or whatever. It would
have been his sophomore year, I believe, um and had
a big year. And I was just a high school freshman.
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And then coming in and being able to you know,
just see how he approached the game every day because
we knew that Okay, yeah, this guy's headed to the league, um,
you know, and and so uh, so I learned a
lot from him. Um. He was such a complete player,
and he he just really seemed more mature, so much
more mature than the rest of us, um, you know,
and and uh with which he was and so uh
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and so yeah, so as a as a young running back,
UM football player, it was great just being around him
every day. What how, this is my question I've always
had for you. I don't know if I've ever truly
asked it, is how were you able to see ahead
of the play? Right? Like when we watched the films
of you. It wasn't just that you'd make people miss
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It was like you knew where all these guys are
coming from, and you knew where the open area? How
do you how do you do? How? What? Where does
that vision come from? I feel like that's what I
saw a lot of other really good running banks do.
I feel like I saw Marcus Allen set guys up? Right?
I remember his his senior year at USC running for
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two thousand yards. Um, even even the guys before him, right,
Charles White right before him, Anthony Davis before him, But
they used to run nobody right and student. I'm just saying,
you get but not Marcus Sellen, though, Mark what I
did that? But Marcus Sellen, he he was more poetic
in his in his running right, and he set guys up. Um,
and you I'm just talking about running backs in general. Um,
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just growing up watching that, and I feel like good
running backs did that. You know, they set guys up.
They were looking, you know, two and three guys defenders
down the field. You know, like you're coming up on
a guy and I'm I can't imagine being somebody trying
to tackle you right, or they're they're coming and they're
diving your feet. Do you even I'll just give you
the basketball perspective is I never worried about the guy
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who was in front of me, right, that guy he
was not taking the ball from me. Okay, and you
know when you're trying to see a basketball floor. But
for me, it was more passing right. You just you
know where the windows are, you see a guy open,
you kind of know where that it's a field thing,
but you don't pay attention to the guy in front
of you. The differences in football. If you don't pay
attention to the guy in front of you or the
media guy, he's gonna hit your problem. So I like,
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was it? I mean again, did when? Was he just
I'll deal with the next problem that I'm worried about
this guy, then set back up to the next guy.
You know, all these runs we see there's multiple guys
falling down like almost Keystone Cops things, and I'm just wondering,
like what goes through your mind during those plays? I
think for me, it was that awareness of several deventsive
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guys right there, right, It was it was that awareness.
I mean, I knew that I wasn't an Earl Campbell
type player. I was. I wasn't just gonna get the
ball and run through anybody or you know, and so
it was setting those guys up. It was that awareness
of you know, you have the safety of the lineback
or the corner, whatever whatever the case may be, and
just being able to react to it. Um. And I
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think I think that's really what it is, you know,
that awareness to react um. And it really anticipation you
know as well, you know, and so I think all
those things to be at it. That's a that's a
tough question because again, I've been enamored and fascinated with
running the football since I sat down as a youngster
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with my dad and watch football in running, in running
back in particular. So I don't I don't know if
it can be taught, um, you know. Uh and so
but you know, I feel like it was always the
way that I played the game. And it's certainly something
that I watched guys like Terry Metcalf, you know, a
little squirrely guard, guys like Joe Washington. You know, I
know I'm going back a few years, but but you know,
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little squirrely guys you know who were spinning and cutting
back um and twisting and um, you know, they weren't
they weren't they weren't running over anybody else. Bryan's song
who Am I Thinking? Absolutely definitely stole a lot of
girls there. Stuff. So so, okay, you watched Stafford and
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he basically experienced kind of your life as a Detroit
lion for so long, and now he's having success and
he's playing in the do do you? Is there any
part of you that's like man that should have been me?
I shouldn't. I wish I would have jealous. You're asking
me my jealous jealous of me? Which I don't know
why you would be jealous of me, right, but of
of matt Stafford getting out of Detroit and getting a
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shot at a team that is all invested in winning,
right as opposed to what you went through it And
it wasn't that they weren't trying. Wayne Fonds had you guys,
you can made made some playoff frinds or whatever, but
it was different. It's different than Detroit and what the
Rams are doing. Is there any part of you that's
that's jealous of What I say is I'm happy I'm
through it for him. I think it's a It's a
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beautiful name to see Matthew Stafford. Um, you know in
this situation, such a great situation for him. I don't
know if I can compare it. I don't necessarily want
to say, you know, Lebron going to Miami, right, but
they this this roster is is um so stacked and
and it's such a great situation for him. And it's
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funny because you know, watching him all those years in Detroit, um,
you know, really hitting his head up against the wall,
going up against Green Bay, right, I mean Aaron Rodgers
he owns he owns that division, right, he owns it, um,
you know, and we could never really get past him.
And you know, we had enough battles with Kirk Cousins
in Minnesota and even the Bears, um, but to see
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and so the reason I bring that up is because
there was always that conversation of Okay, is Matt Stafford
is he more of Aaron Rodgers or is he more
of a Kirk Cousins or who is he? You know?
And I think this year he's shown who he is.
He's shown who he is. Um. You know, you put
him in a great situation. The guy has thrived, and
so I'm happy for him. Um. You know, it's it's uh,
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you look at that roster um, and what they've been
able to do. But obviously he's been able to bring
all that together. You were tired, and you were about
a season and a half away from breaking Walter Payton's
all time rushing mark, right, And I remember, I remember
when you were tired. I felt bad for you, just
because I felt like you need to get the credit
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that you deserved and sometimes setting that record, even though
it might not have mattered to you, to everybody else,
it it seemed it seems sometimes to matter in how
we view you historically. Um, when you shut it down?
Was there moments which she thought I did it too soon?
Because you had all your faculties, right, wasn't They didn't
carry you off your last last game, right? Your your
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leg didn't fall off like you You were healthy, you
were I'm just I'm good. What was that like in
terms of how much how long it took before you
really said I'm done, done and I'm happy I did
it well? It was a really tough thing to walk
away from and to make that decision at that time. UM,
I knew that just in my mind and in my
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heart that I was done with the game, but I
still I still loved it. But just not enough to
continue to be a player on a daily basis. And
how long did it take? I mean, I I don't know.
I feel like maybe I'm still um, maybe I'm still
getting over it, Doug. I don't know. I mean because
I know I had. I still if I'm wrong, But
you were, I had, like Tom Brady has this whole
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TV method. But for people who didn't, you ate right right,
You took care of yourself. You were ahead of in
terms of nutrition and things, ahead of the curve in
terms of how much you dedicated to yourself to your
craft while you're playing. Is that fair? That is fair? Yes, absolutely,
that is fair. Um. And that's something I learned just
as I became an older player. UM that, Yeah, you
definitely have to take care of your body, especially me
(28:16):
being a runner. You know, I realized that you know,
you can go in there and lift all the weights
and do all these things. But for me, I needed
to be elusive, fast and be able to run for
a long time. Um. And and uh to do that
just you know, I just couldn't. I just I couldn't
have just any habits. So so that's what you're saying,
is you you're still not totally over it, right. No,
(28:37):
I mean, but to answer you a question, how long
did it take? You know? I mean I will always
miss football, right, And it was you know, I realized
that I'm never gonna find something like being in the NFL,
you know. And I guess that's the way that I
look at it. And you know, maybe UM kind of
deal with it. Um. And I had, you know, so
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many fantastic memories and maybe seen memories, um that I've
been able to take with me. And so I think
for me, you know, that's kind of the medicine, the
thing that allows me to to to really be able
to go on. And and I realized that, hey, look man,
I mean this was a very unique special time. UM.
You know, I gave it my all for for those
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ten years, and after that I was done. And I really,
I really don't have any regrets as far as that.
But I still love the game and and it's it's
great to think back on those those uh things that
I could do at the age of um, you know.
And then so but yeah, so I I can't I
can't complain about that. Okay, how about this one, um,
Barry Sandra join us in the dug got live show
(29:40):
on Fox Sports Radio. When when you were in the league,
we mentioned Walter Payton the running your team was synonymous
with your running back. The running back was the franchise player,
right Roger Craig in San Francisco, and Eric Dickerson, and
then Jerome Bettis was was with the Rams and whoever
you're Marcus you mentioned Marcus Allen, then both Jackson Your
team was it was more the running back was the team.
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That now the quarterback is the team. And a good
portion of the reason why running backs people aren't getting
the big or your your question that second contract is
the beating they've taken. They've changed all the rules for
wide receivers for quarterbacks, okay, but none of them for
running backs, and that the running backs careers continue to
feel like they're getting shorter and shorter in terms of
(30:21):
the window of how much they can be elite. Your
former running back, you were able to survive for a
decade in the NFL without without getting without getting seriously hurt.
If you were in charge or somebody said, Barry, what
can we do so that we can elongate some of
these windows of the top running backs career? Can you
think of anything I don't know that I can think
of something that could extend the careers of the running backs.
(30:44):
I do think that there's still some really good running
backs in the game, UM, that are difference makers on offense,
that are the most um, that are the most dominant
offensive players, you know, like Derrick Henry, like Jonathan Taylor,
imagine you know, and so you know there aren't there
aren't many of those guys. And certainly, um and certainly
(31:05):
those are a couple of the guys you can give
a ball to five times a game. UM, where a
lot of other guys you know you're seeing two and
three UM running back share their running response committee. Yeah, absolutely,
running back by committee. UM, you've seen much more of that.
But there are still those guys, um, you know that
are a big part of what their offensive do. Joe Mixing, Uh,
(31:26):
you know who's playing in the Super Bowl. Um, you
know he's a big part of you know, he's a
Pro Bowl running back this year. UM. You know Zeke
Elliott and he's still around. I mean he's not, he's not.
But again, like like a Zke Elliott, here's the guy
who's kind of fading and he's not yet thirty years old.
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It's great to catch up. I love to do it
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to UH pros and they also have a cup of Joe.
That's Jonah Knocks had this exchange about the Brian Flores
(33:57):
statement about the hiring of Lovey Smith. Are you down
playing what your whole representation of your legal case is?
Are you downplaying that with another minority higher with another
person that's a minority. How does that work? That seems
(34:18):
ass backwards. Call me crazy, but that sounds ass backwards
that you're saying I was better than the other minority
coach that just was hired. I want to say, congratulations,
you're you're you're progressing, you know, or giving other black
coaches an opportunity, other minority coaches an opportunity. But if
(34:41):
I wasn't in this lawsuit, they were have hired me
over you another black man? Okay? I mean, is that
is that the interpretation here? Yeah? I mean I think
the this is this is how it comes off to me.
Is there almost taking credit for the fact that love
Smith was hired because without the aw suit, it would
have been Josh McCown, which which John McClain put out there,
(35:04):
and so I'll just say this, even if they're right,
even if the motivation behind hiring Lovey Smith was the
lawsuit kind of pushed them to go in a different direction.
You can't you got accepting credit for it. This is
the statement that they're talking about. This is from Brian Flores, attorney.
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Mr Flores is happy to hear the Texans have hired
black head coach Levy Smith as Mr Floor's goal in
bringing the case is to provide real opportunities for black
and minority coaches to be considered for coaching and executive
positions within the NFL. However, we will be remiss if
not to mention that Mr Flores was one of three
finalists for the Texans head coaching musician after a great
interview and mutual interest. It is obvious the only reason
(35:46):
Mr Flores was not selected was his decision to stand
up against racial inequality across the NFL. Um you look,
I think it sounds like it's the there's a were
the charge of the d I don't know if the
FCC approves of it, So I'm not gonna say it. Okay,
it's not polite and in company, he's not necessarily wrong
(36:08):
that he didn't get the job because of the lawsuit.
But you don't say it. You don't say it right.
You know she would have married me, but you know
at the time I was still married. Oh but I
hope you guys have a great life together. You know, whatever,
what are you doing? Do you want to come across
(36:29):
the most unlikable human being on earth? And look, I
I get it, Like I can't hire by Flora's like
I gotta hire a black coach. Here's lovely Smith, has
a good resume, likable dude. I've been with the organization,
coached our defense. Go for it again. I told you this.
He's toxic now. The reason he didn't get the job
(36:51):
is not because he's suing because of racial injustice. It's
because he's suing the NFL. You can sue the NFL
for anything, but it made you unhirable. And this makes
you unlikable. That's what it does. The only statement you
need to make again this is this is where Brian
Flores doesn't get it. Didn't get it when he got
(37:14):
fired in Miami and all. And I hear people all
the time go like, Wow, he's a great coach. No
one's saying, but the coaching is only a portion of
being a head coach, Like that doesn't make sense, Yes
it does. You have to manage up and manage down.
He couldn't manage up. He couldn't. Again, the facts are
different than the feelings. They just are. And here's the facts.
(37:37):
The general manager in Miami, the assistant gentlem manager, the director,
player personnel, they are all black men. Okay they are
they're they're they're all black men. And they wanted him gone.
That's what happened. It was an us or him, and
the owner is like, I'm gonna side with these guys.
(37:59):
And when I said he needed to be more contrite,
it's the and anyone who's ever lost a job or
lost an opportunity, at some point you gotta go. You know,
sometimes it actually is me. It's me. It's the way
I hand him. I may have been misperceived, he may
have been misperceived. It's totally reasonable to go like, you know,
I just I probably came across the little brash, a
(38:19):
little harsh. Was my first job. I'd only been in
New England. I only watched Bill Belichick and how he
handling because his story of the disconnect with non patriot people.
Is the same story we saw in Detroit. It's the
same story we've seen with Charlie Weiss. It's the same
story we saw with Eric Mangini. It's like you go
through all the patriots systems, it's all the same thing,
(38:40):
and he's like the only one going like nah. When
me was them, I thought it would have worked in Houston.
And then when he started suing, I told you he
you can't hire a guy who's telling you the whole
league is racist. And yeah, it probably did force their
hand and make them hire a black head coach, But
so much you don't do. You don't like be on
(39:01):
somebody's parade. Dude, what are you doing? God? That's just
not cool at all, not cool at all. Plus it's
like Lovely Smith. People like Lovely Smith. Seems like um,
easy to like human being. Alright, coming up next, Hall
of Famer Eric Dickerson joins me. We'll ask him what
(39:22):
it would have been like for him to play in
this RAMS organization. Next,
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as well. Anyway, Um, here's the one. We obviously wanted
to talk football and some of the things going on.
Football was but this Trevor Bauer story is fascinating. Okay,
(02:14):
let me give you the reader's digest version of it.
Trevor Bauer was he's always been a guy who super opinionated,
can't rub some people the wrong way. Remember we'll go
back to the Cleveland days. And didn't he have a
a drone camera drone? Uh, he had a drone that
(02:36):
he cut his finger on and he missed some time,
and then he tried to pitch in the playoffs and
he remember his finger was dripping blood because he reopened
some suitures whatever. And it's one of those like it
could happen to anybody. It just happened to happen Trevor Bauer.
So he's a kind of unique fellaw a tremendous picture,
tremendous and as a free agent signed with the l
(02:58):
A Dodgers a two play this one year deal. Going
back to last offseason, everything was going well until there
were accusations by a former um romantic partner of sorts
that he had actually punched her, right punched her. And
(03:19):
there's photos and they're really graphic and really hard to
take if you just listen to Isaac Lowan Kran's update.
There will be no criminal charges because, among other things,
there are some text messages and other things that the
woman apparently wanted some form of rough activity. Right, everybody
(03:43):
know what I'm talking. We're we're all good here on
I just did I miss any details of the story?
Dan Buyer? My all right, We're good, correct, So he's
not going to be criminally charged, will there be civil.
I don't know, but with no criminal charges even being pressed, right,
I'm not saying he was not guilty, which remember, not
(04:05):
guilty does not mean innocence. It just means you're not guilty.
It's not going to trial. It's not even that he's
not going to be charged, very important distinction, not even charged.
But no one is arguing that he didn't strike this woman.
What he's saying is, look, this is what she was into,
(04:26):
and she's saying I didn't want to be punched or
knocked out, and there are like that black eye. So
there's it's pretty pretty graphic story. But now you get
down to will he ever pitch in baseball again? Will
he pitch for the Dodgers again? Because remember, what you're
saying is, look, he has been not even charged with
(04:48):
any sort of crime. But this is like who is
who among us is capable of striking a woman? Even
if a woman says hit me, you don't hit a woman.
So it's a really hard one if you're the Dodgers
do part ways with a guy simply because you feel
like it's the right thing to do, in the back
(05:11):
of your mind thinking what so some other franchise compai
him to pitch for him, you know, and it's not
it's not been charged with a crime like this is
the and I've said this about the Jamis Winston thing
just to be completely fair, like Jamis Winston was never
charged with a crime Jamis Winston. They've there's been three
different times in which there has been an investigation, none
(05:34):
of which and even the Title nine that's one of
the three, the Title nine accusations, and the bar that
you need to cross over in order to be charged
of the Title nine violation is not particularly high in
terms of burden and proof. So as much as people
want to say that Jamis Winston did something, there have
been no charge, there is no there there is no
criminal charges. So again, in the world of innocent, nail
(05:58):
proven guilty, Jamis Winston is absolutely positively innocent of whatever
he was accused of because there were no charges ever
brought and anytime it's been investigation, he has not been
found guilty of anything. That said, do you think Trevor
Bauer pitches again? Would you be okay with him pitching
(06:20):
for the Dodgers. I'll start with this, Yes, I think
he should pitch again. Yes, I think he should pitch
for the Dodgers because the last, because I do believe
that in our system of justice, you are innocent until
proven guilty. And though I would never strike coldman a right,
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I can tell you that I'm also not privy to
whatever type of activity those two were into. And I
do believe that there are times in which things can
start as It's just like when you're messing around with
your brother, right, it starts instantly enough, and then hey,
someone's gonna get hurt. Someone's gonna get hurt, and somebody
does get hurt. I understand it. We're talking about a
(07:03):
different level and and man, men and women, and you're
old enough to make appropriate decisions and all that stuff.
I do believe he should. I don't know if he will.
I was led to believe earlier in the year that
there's no chance he pitches for the Dodgers again. There's
no chance he pitches in Major League Baseball again, even
if found innocent. Because he's admitted to punching a woman
(07:24):
multiple times. It's a really weird place to be in.
Let me start with you, Dan By, what do you think. Yeah,
I think that he will end up playing again. I
think it will be with the Dodgers his contract. I
think a lot would would have that situation pop up.
I also don't think that the Dodgers would be it's
(07:44):
a tough acquisition. Uh, despite how good of a picture
he is, UM, if you were to ship him out.
So I think he does pitch again. I think he
pitches for the Dodgers um after his contract expires, if
he chooses to opped out in or any three. Uh.
This may be a thing of the past, but for
right now, Yes, I believe that he pitches again. UM
(08:08):
as soon as his team like took the tact where
they needed to defend the I guess plaintiff in this
matter what what Whenever they took the tack that he
had to admit to doing these things. I said in
two Friends and everybody else that I could tell he's
never gonna pict for the Dodgers again once you take
that tact and its public record. I don't think the
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Dodgers and what they represent and their brand and their
new ownership, I don't think that you can pitch for
the Dodgers again. I don't know contractually how how you
I don't know if you trade this, I don't know
how you get out of it. But I think he'll
pitch against somebody will will want him. I just don't
think the actually the Dodgers will have him pitching for
them next year because the accusations are one thing. The
(08:53):
second he started admitting to doing these things, I said,
I think that's the last time we've seen him in
the Dodger uniform. So that's kind of my At this point,
m Ramos come gonna put a headset on John Ramos
has got Is he had the day off? Or is
he on the clock? Okay, John Ramos of the John
Ramos Show on The Dout Live Show. A great part
(09:15):
about it is we are all kind of like behind
this set. John put his is in front, back everyone
off and walk around. If I'm not, I'm not used
to any of this stuff. What are you talking about?
We got used to this stuff. You're around this stuff
your entire professional life. That's true, but not on this stage. Okay.
(09:35):
So I want to ask you, John, because you're a
gigantic Dodger fan. You also husband and a father of
of of a little girl. I have two little girls
as well, Um, and that's you know again, these are
and it's one of those things like what do I
tell about you have a conversation with him. You know
you have a gift to have a conversation with your kids,
but it's still hard to wait. How do I dead?
(09:57):
Am I supposed to cheer for this guy who punched
a woman? Admitted a punching woman? What are you? Tennal Bauer?
Do you wanted to pittu your Dodges? Ever? Again? I
would say no. I don't know what was said earlier
here because I was sitting over in the corner, but
I would say no in time out. Yeah, I had
a baby. Nobody puts baby in the corner. John, Uh,
(10:18):
you know I would say no. I think I believe
like his team wasn't happy with him, and nobody like
stood up for him or something like that, Like they
weren't excited that he would be on the team. So
I think if the Dodgers aren't excited by it, and
then as a fan, I wouldn't be excited about it.
So he had his chance if he's proven not guilty,
which they're not even coming to charges. So I mean,
you know, here here's the I will point this out,
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and I know that the Trevor Bauer is a different
fellow right, And so I do think that some of
that is real in terms of teammates not being toldly.
And he also hadn't been part of the team for
a long time, like it it had been very but
let we if we're honest for honest, that thing was toxic.
Nobody can come out and go, hey, Trevor's my guy, right,
(11:00):
you just do get crucified if during early on the investigation,
when you're asked about it, you go like it, my god,
great dude, great dude, Like you just couldn't do it.
So I want to I would I would caution people, well,
this guy said this to the media. They athletes say
lots of things to the media knowing that they'll just
(11:20):
curry favor, you know. So that's the It's more to me.
How you feel if you want him pitching for your
team at Chevezravie, Well, I would say I would say
I would if everything was cleared and everything was okay,
But it would be a very fine, very fine line.
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I mean, you know, I don't know. It's hard to
say because I think they're people that would look at
you and be like, how can you stand up for
something like that? And then you're only thinking about sports,
You're only thinking about winning, and that's and I don't know,
all right, Again, my my point is that again I
know it's graphic. It's not something I would do, Sure,
but if he's not being charge of the crime, like,
(12:02):
what are we doing. We're doing double We're doing double
jeopardy for a guy who doesn't mean he didn't do
anything wrong. We didn't anything doing criminally wrong. I don't know.
This is where I think that his personality that rubbed
people the wrong way even prior to him is coming
to the Dodgers and throughout his career. Major League Baseball
weighs in on this because it was a personality that
was difficult to warm up too for some people. So
(12:23):
now this prior to all of this coming out, So
now you have this other thing happening, and I think
it gives people an excuse to continue to not like
him and to uh want to do away with him.
I think that his past does play into how we
look at him. Still, I just think that I had
(12:44):
I'd almost forgotten about this this part. And John made
a good point. The second this went down, the Dodgers
immediately turned their back on him. Um So as far
as I have to. No, no, no, I'm just saying, like,
you know, obviously removing jerseys and whatnot, But it was
it was I thought at the time it was I'm
an overreaction, and then as the details come out, you're like,
this is why they did it. I think those things
are just hard to like rebound from. And then have
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him pitching every fifth day for your team. I I
see him pitching somewhere. I just don't see him pitching here.
I mean, I understand, and I agree, and I was
in that thought, but then I'm like, why can't you
pitch for another team and not pitch for the Dodgers
that one doesn't I'm not sure how much do you
think them not making it to the World Series plays
into Well, it's funny you bring that up. Had the
(13:28):
Dodgers not won the World Series two years ago, I
think he definitely would pitch for the Dodgers, But because
they wanted I'm not sure that they feel like they
need to sell their proverbial soul, right. It's like when
we sell our soul for the World Series, Like, well,
we just went in World Series couple years ago. What
do you guys think? Yeah, a little bit of a
(13:49):
leeway there I believe to to kind of like, but no, no,
the leeway from Dodger fans who want to title every
single year two year to go as a distant memory
to the two guys that I'm looking at right now
who were losing their s So why why why can't
we not hit? Why we just we suck? As hitters?
(14:12):
Were just the worst? No worst? Like, dude, you've been
in the plan, Like do you know, like for the
Angels have two best players in baseball and can't win,
bunk kiss, do you understand what it's actually like? That's
a great point. Yes, they won the World Series. But okay,
do you think Dodger fans if he wins a World Series?
(14:32):
If if I could say yet yet you have Trevor
Bauer back, but he's but he's gonna win your World Series,
would they change their mind? I really don't. I don't.
I don't think so. I don't think the organization would
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Everett what they did? Right? Jerry Rice the greatest wide
receiver of all time. Please don't start arguing with me.
It's not really worth it, right, just is okay? Um?
Ryan Lott was the greatest safety of all time. Not really.
Dion Sanders was the best cover corner of all of
(16:46):
all time? Right, Lawrence Taylor was the best would I
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then Barry Sanders is the greatest running back of all time. Now, look,
I understand Walter Payton had more yards, but that's because Barry.
We'll ask him why shut it down before he would
have passed his mark, But he wasn't like an untacklable player.
(17:07):
It was really remarkable. It's kind of to spend some
time with this year. Um, what is that like to
carry the respect to walk into any room and you're
synonymous with the best at what you've you've done for
your football career. No, it's it's awesome, man. And I
just had to say, be careful what you say about
Walter Payton. Man, I mean, come on now, well listen.
(17:29):
And it was amazing. And there's I mean, there's you know,
there's there's two or three other guys that you know.
I mean, Emmett was great and Walter pay was great,
but I don't know. I mean, and look, I think
Marshall Falk changed the position forever. You know, the ability
to catch it out of the back deal. But in
terms of just hand the ball, hand the guy the
ball and go make a play for us. There ain't
(17:51):
it ever been anybody as good as as what you did.
What people don't know, no, go ahead, No for For me,
I just so much great pride um and playing the position. Um,
you know you talked about Walter. I was that little
kid watching studying Walter Payton, studying Terry Metcalfe or Greg
(18:13):
Pruitt or Tony Dorrisset or Marcus Allen or a list
of you know other guys. Um, it was no bigger
honor um for me in the lineup at seven yards
deep as a running back. Um, it was just such
a big thrill and pleasure for me, and I put
all my work and effort into it, um, you know,
and just trying to stay healthy and and really um
(18:35):
sharpen my skills and talent. Um. You know. I was,
I was that kid at you know, in middle school,
jogging in though my neighborhood, you know. Not you know,
I didn't know where it was gonna lead to, but
I just knew I wanted to get in shape for football.
And sometimes I barely saw the field. Um, but I
love being a part of a team. I love suiting
up and playing football at no matter what level. So
(18:55):
so yeah, it was you know. So yeah, that's the
kind of mentality I took with me on ton of
fail field that it was just such great pride and
the privilege to play against the best players. Um. You know.
And I'm jealous of you, by the way, because you know,
my first love is basketball, you know. So you've been
a college basketball player, and I just have to say
I'm a little jealous sitting here. Players players and alfall
(19:18):
players and you went to the before I did. But
all want to be basketball players, right and the most
Baskett players want to be they don't want to be
fall players. They want to be like rappers and performers
and singers or whatever. Right, everybody wants to be something
act and and and players to show up at the
Colvin Center right in the spring and want to hoop
with the basketball players. And you guys are all super athletic,
(19:42):
dribbled like your dribble with your elbows, because it's a different,
you know, different stick and ball sport, but all crazy,
crazy athletic. I thought I was a little different though
than most football players. We don't have to get into
like my scouting report as a basketball player, you know.
So I'm just saying, you know, I'm a little jealous
of you. I'm a little more than a little. People
don't know. People don't know you were only a starter
(20:02):
uncle the state for one year, right right, correct, because
but you were an All American kick returner as a
freshman as a sophomore, and you're like, who could possibly
start ahead of Barry States? Like they had a game
Thurman Thomas Bield wasn't insane. Insane? It was it was
And it was a treat for me because I I
(20:23):
met Thurman on my recruiting trip. He doesn't remember it,
but I remember just talking to him, you know, um,
because the gentleman that showed me around was his sweet
mate or whatever. So he took me to talk to Thurman. Um,
you know. And at that year he um, I think
he had some Heisman Trophy votes or whatever. It would
have been his sophomore year, I believe, um and had
a big year. And I was just a high school freshman.
(20:46):
And then coming in and being able to you know,
just see how he approached the game every day because
we knew that Okay, yeah, this guy's headed to the league, um,
you know, and and so uh, so I learned a
lot from him. Um. He was such a complete player,
and he he just really seemed more mature, so much
more mature than the rest of us, um, you know,
and and uh with which he was and so uh
(21:09):
and so yeah, so as a as a young running back,
UM football player, it was great just being around him
every day. What how, this is my question I've always
had for you. I don't know if I've ever truly
asked it, is how were you able to see ahead
of the play? Right? Like when we watched the films
of you. It wasn't just that you'd make people miss
(21:31):
It was like you knew where all these guys are
coming from, and you knew where the open area? How
do you how do you do? How? What? Where does
that vision come from? I feel like that's what I
saw a lot of other really good running banks do.
I feel like I saw Marcus Allen set guys up? Right?
I remember his his senior year at USC running for
(21:53):
two thousand yards. Um, even even the guys before him, right,
Charles White right before him, Anthony Davis before him, But
they used to run nobody right and student. I'm just saying,
you get but not Marcus Sellen, though, Mark what I
did that? But Marcus Sellen, he he was more poetic
in his in his running right, and he set guys up. Um,
and you I'm just talking about running backs in general. Um,
(22:15):
just growing up watching that, and I feel like good
running backs did that. You know, they set guys up.
They were looking, you know, two and three guys defenders
down the field. You know, like you're coming up on
a guy and I'm I can't imagine being somebody trying
to tackle you right, or they're they're coming and they're
diving your feet. Do you even I'll just give you
the basketball perspective is I never worried about the guy
(22:37):
who was in front of me, right, that guy he
was not taking the ball from me. Okay, and you
know when you're trying to see a basketball floor. But
for me, it was more passing right. You just you
know where the windows are, you see a guy open,
you kind of know where that it's a field thing,
but you don't pay attention to the guy in front
of you. The differences in football. If you don't pay
attention to the guy in front of you or the
media guy, he's gonna hit your problem. So I like,
(22:59):
was it? I mean again, did when? Was he just
I'll deal with the next problem that I'm worried about
this guy, then set back up to the next guy.
You know, all these runs we see there's multiple guys
falling down like almost Keystone Cops things, and I'm just wondering,
like what goes through your mind during those plays? I
think for me, it was that awareness of several deventsive
(23:20):
guys right there, right, It was it was that awareness.
I mean, I knew that I wasn't an Earl Campbell
type player. I was. I wasn't just gonna get the
ball and run through anybody or you know, and so
it was setting those guys up. It was that awareness
of you know, you have the safety of the lineback
or the corner, whatever whatever the case may be, and
just being able to react to it. Um. And I
(23:41):
think I think that's really what it is, you know,
that awareness to react um. And it really anticipation you
know as well, you know, and so I think all
those things to be at it. That's a that's a
tough question because again, I've been enamored and fascinated with
running the football since I sat down as a youngster
(24:01):
with my dad and watch football in running, in running
back in particular. So I don't I don't know if
it can be taught, um, you know. Uh and so
but you know, I feel like it was always the
way that I played the game. And it's certainly something
that I watched guys like Terry Metcalf, you know, a
little squirrely guard, guys like Joe Washington. You know, I
know I'm going back a few years, but but you know,
(24:23):
little squirrely guys you know who were spinning and cutting
back um and twisting and um, you know, they weren't
they weren't they weren't running over anybody else. Bryan's song
who Am I Thinking? Absolutely definitely stole a lot of
girls there. Stuff. So so, okay, you watched Stafford and
(24:43):
he basically experienced kind of your life as a Detroit
lion for so long, and now he's having success and
he's playing in the do do you? Is there any
part of you that's like man that should have been me?
I shouldn't. I wish I would have jealous. You're asking
me my jealous jealous of me? Which I don't know
why you would be jealous of me, right, but of
of matt Stafford getting out of Detroit and getting a
(25:03):
shot at a team that is all invested in winning,
right as opposed to what you went through it And
it wasn't that they weren't trying. Wayne Fonds had you guys,
you can made made some playoff frinds or whatever, but
it was different. It's different than Detroit and what the
Rams are doing. Is there any part of you that's
that's jealous of What I say is I'm happy I'm
through it for him. I think it's a It's a
(25:24):
beautiful name to see Matthew Stafford. Um, you know in
this situation, such a great situation for him. I don't
know if I can compare it. I don't necessarily want
to say, you know, Lebron going to Miami, right, but
they this this roster is is um so stacked and
and it's such a great situation for him. And it's
(25:45):
funny because you know, watching him all those years in Detroit, um,
you know, really hitting his head up against the wall,
going up against Green Bay, right, I mean Aaron Rodgers
he owns he owns that division, right, he owns it, um,
you know, and we could never really get past him.
And you know, we had enough battles with Kirk Cousins
in Minnesota and even the Bears, um, but to see
(26:07):
and so the reason I bring that up is because
there was always that conversation of Okay, is Matt Stafford
is he more of Aaron Rodgers or is he more
of a Kirk Cousins or who is he? You know?
And I think this year he's shown who he is.
He's shown who he is. Um. You know, you put
him in a great situation. The guy has thrived, and
so I'm happy for him. Um. You know, it's it's uh,
(26:29):
you look at that roster um, and what they've been
able to do. But obviously he's been able to bring
all that together. You were tired, and you were about
a season and a half away from breaking Walter Payton's
all time rushing mark, right, And I remember, I remember
when you were tired. I felt bad for you, just
because I felt like you need to get the credit
(26:49):
that you deserved and sometimes setting that record, even though
it might not have mattered to you, to everybody else,
it it seemed it seems sometimes to matter in how
we view you historically. Um, when you shut it down?
Was there moments which she thought I did it too soon?
Because you had all your faculties, right, wasn't They didn't
carry you off your last last game, right? Your your
(27:12):
leg didn't fall off like you You were healthy, you
were I'm just I'm good. What was that like in
terms of how much how long it took before you
really said I'm done, done and I'm happy I did
it well? It was a really tough thing to walk
away from and to make that decision at that time. UM,
I knew that just in my mind and in my
(27:33):
heart that I was done with the game, but I
still I still loved it. But just not enough to
continue to be a player on a daily basis. And
how long did it take? I mean, I I don't know.
I feel like maybe I'm still um, maybe I'm still
getting over it, Doug. I don't know. I mean because
I know I had. I still if I'm wrong, But
you were, I had, like Tom Brady has this whole
(27:55):
TV method. But for people who didn't, you ate right right,
You took care of yourself. You were ahead of in
terms of nutrition and things, ahead of the curve in
terms of how much you dedicated to yourself to your
craft while you're playing. Is that fair? That is fair? Yes, absolutely,
that is fair. Um. And that's something I learned just
as I became an older player. UM that, Yeah, you
definitely have to take care of your body, especially me
(28:16):
being a runner. You know, I realized that you know,
you can go in there and lift all the weights
and do all these things. But for me, I needed
to be elusive, fast and be able to run for
a long time. Um. And and uh to do that
just you know, I just couldn't. I just I couldn't
have just any habits. So so that's what you're saying,
is you you're still not totally over it, right. No,
(28:37):
I mean, but to answer you a question, how long
did it take? You know? I mean I will always
miss football, right, And it was you know, I realized
that I'm never gonna find something like being in the NFL,
you know. And I guess that's the way that I
look at it. And you know, maybe UM kind of
deal with it. Um. And I had, you know, so
(28:57):
many fantastic memories and maybe seen memories, um that I've
been able to take with me. And so I think
for me, you know, that's kind of the medicine, the
thing that allows me to to to really be able
to go on. And and I realized that, hey, look man,
I mean this was a very unique special time. UM.
You know, I gave it my all for for those
(29:18):
ten years, and after that I was done. And I really,
I really don't have any regrets as far as that.
But I still love the game and and it's it's
great to think back on those those uh things that
I could do at the age of um, you know.
And then so but yeah, so I I can't I
can't complain about that. Okay, how about this one, um,
Barry Sandra join us in the dug got live show
(29:40):
on Fox Sports Radio. When when you were in the league,
we mentioned Walter Payton the running your team was synonymous
with your running back. The running back was the franchise player,
right Roger Craig in San Francisco, and Eric Dickerson, and
then Jerome Bettis was was with the Rams and whoever
you're Marcus you mentioned Marcus Allen, then both Jackson Your
team was it was more the running back was the team.
(30:01):
That now the quarterback is the team. And a good
portion of the reason why running backs people aren't getting
the big or your your question that second contract is
the beating they've taken. They've changed all the rules for
wide receivers for quarterbacks, okay, but none of them for
running backs, and that the running backs careers continue to
feel like they're getting shorter and shorter in terms of
(30:21):
the window of how much they can be elite. Your
former running back, you were able to survive for a
decade in the NFL without without getting without getting seriously hurt.
If you were in charge or somebody said, Barry, what
can we do so that we can elongate some of
these windows of the top running backs career? Can you
think of anything I don't know that I can think
of something that could extend the careers of the running backs.
(30:44):
I do think that there's still some really good running
backs in the game, UM, that are difference makers on offense,
that are the most um, that are the most dominant
offensive players, you know, like Derrick Henry, like Jonathan Taylor,
imagine you know, and so you know there aren't there
aren't many of those guys. And certainly, um and certainly
(31:05):
those are a couple of the guys you can give
a ball to five times a game. UM, where a
lot of other guys you know you're seeing two and
three UM running back share their running response committee. Yeah, absolutely,
running back by committee. UM, you've seen much more of that.
But there are still those guys, um, you know that
are a big part of what their offensive do. Joe Mixing, Uh,
(31:26):
you know who's playing in the Super Bowl. Um, you
know he's a big part of you know, he's a
Pro Bowl running back this year. UM. You know Zeke
Elliott and he's still around. I mean he's not, he's not.
But again, like like a Zke Elliott, here's the guy
who's kind of fading and he's not yet thirty years old.
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(32:31):
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That's Jonah Knocks had this exchange about the Brian Flores
(33:57):
statement about the hiring of Lovey Smith. Are you down
playing what your whole representation of your legal case is?
Are you downplaying that with another minority higher with another
person that's a minority. How does that work? That seems
(34:18):
ass backwards. Call me crazy, but that sounds ass backwards
that you're saying I was better than the other minority
coach that just was hired. I want to say, congratulations,
you're you're you're progressing, you know, or giving other black
coaches an opportunity, other minority coaches an opportunity. But if
(34:41):
I wasn't in this lawsuit, they were have hired me
over you another black man? Okay? I mean, is that
is that the interpretation here? Yeah? I mean I think
the this is this is how it comes off to me.
Is there almost taking credit for the fact that love
Smith was hired because without the aw suit, it would
have been Josh McCown, which which John McClain put out there,
(35:04):
and so I'll just say this, even if they're right,
even if the motivation behind hiring Lovey Smith was the
lawsuit kind of pushed them to go in a different direction.
You can't you got accepting credit for it. This is
the statement that they're talking about. This is from Brian Flores, attorney.
(35:24):
Mr Flores is happy to hear the Texans have hired
black head coach Levy Smith as Mr Floor's goal in
bringing the case is to provide real opportunities for black
and minority coaches to be considered for coaching and executive
positions within the NFL. However, we will be remiss if
not to mention that Mr Flores was one of three
finalists for the Texans head coaching musician after a great
interview and mutual interest. It is obvious the only reason
(35:46):
Mr Flores was not selected was his decision to stand
up against racial inequality across the NFL. Um you look,
I think it sounds like it's the there's a were
the charge of the d I don't know if the
FCC approves of it, So I'm not gonna say it. Okay,
it's not polite and in company, he's not necessarily wrong
(36:08):
that he didn't get the job because of the lawsuit.
But you don't say it. You don't say it right.
You know she would have married me, but you know
at the time I was still married. Oh but I
hope you guys have a great life together. You know, whatever,
what are you doing? Do you want to come across
(36:29):
the most unlikable human being on earth? And look, I
I get it, Like I can't hire by Flora's like
I gotta hire a black coach. Here's lovely Smith, has
a good resume, likable dude. I've been with the organization,
coached our defense. Go for it again. I told you this.
He's toxic now. The reason he didn't get the job
(36:51):
is not because he's suing because of racial injustice. It's
because he's suing the NFL. You can sue the NFL
for anything, but it made you unhirable. And this makes
you unlikable. That's what it does. The only statement you
need to make again this is this is where Brian
Flores doesn't get it. Didn't get it when he got
(37:14):
fired in Miami and all. And I hear people all
the time go like, Wow, he's a great coach. No
one's saying, but the coaching is only a portion of
being a head coach, Like that doesn't make sense, Yes
it does. You have to manage up and manage down.
He couldn't manage up. He couldn't. Again, the facts are
different than the feelings. They just are. And here's the facts.
(37:37):
The general manager in Miami, the assistant gentlem manager, the director,
player personnel, they are all black men. Okay they are
they're they're they're all black men. And they wanted him gone.
That's what happened. It was an us or him, and
the owner is like, I'm gonna side with these guys.
(37:59):
And when I said he needed to be more contrite,
it's the and anyone who's ever lost a job or
lost an opportunity, at some point you gotta go. You know,
sometimes it actually is me. It's me. It's the way
I hand him. I may have been misperceived, he may
have been misperceived. It's totally reasonable to go like, you know,
I just I probably came across the little brash, a
(38:19):
little harsh. Was my first job. I'd only been in
New England. I only watched Bill Belichick and how he
handling because his story of the disconnect with non patriot people.
Is the same story we saw in Detroit. It's the
same story we've seen with Charlie Weiss. It's the same
story we saw with Eric Mangini. It's like you go
through all the patriots systems, it's all the same thing,
(38:40):
and he's like the only one going like nah. When
me was them, I thought it would have worked in Houston.
And then when he started suing, I told you he
you can't hire a guy who's telling you the whole
league is racist. And yeah, it probably did force their
hand and make them hire a black head coach, But
so much you don't do. You don't like be on
(39:01):
somebody's parade. Dude, what are you doing? God? That's just
not cool at all, not cool at all. Plus it's
like Lovely Smith. People like Lovely Smith. Seems like um,
easy to like human being. Alright, coming up next, Hall
of Famer Eric Dickerson joins me. We'll ask him what
(39:22):
it would have been like for him to play in
this RAMS organization. Next,
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