June 12, 2024 • 33 mins
Today on the Daily Bespoke, Matt is back, so the boys go deep into plastic surgery, cricket gear, and fevers...
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:27):
I'm back, baby, and I'm better than ever. You're back,
which is great to have you back. Mash needs to
go and take a dump. I do yes, I'll do that.
He's going to go and do that. He's going to
go and take a dump, and then we're going to
McCall in a moment from let's not do that.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Let's cause the last thing was the last thing I
was involved in was the worst thing we've ever done,
which was that spoon walk and knife debarcle. I thought,
are we trying to Are we trying to move this
Bespoke Daily podcast forward or backwards? What are we trying
to do here?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, firstly, I blame you for that. Secondly, the game
that we were playing after that, which was Pineapple, it's
not poor or Red Hot Poker. Yeah, it was so
much worse. Yeah, I was as terrible.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
But I just think as a rule we could go
for some more ci sophisticated content.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Both possible.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I mean, we're running like we're running a really schizophrenic
podcast here on the Daily Bespoke. I mean the radio
highlights pot is pretty much straight up the line, you know,
pretty schizophrenic. Sometimes we're doing full true crime investigations. Sometimes
we're talking to Graham Norton. Sometimes we're talking about putting
fork spoons and knives up our backsides.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, yesterday we just about had a sexual assault live
on the radio as Lauren Mesh, his partner, came on
the show Jesus and nearly being in a game of
gay checking with her. I don't know if you ever
played gay checken before, but gay checking is when two
guys steer at each other and you get closer and
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closer and closer and together until your pesh. Someone has
to pull out and that's the chicken. And then you
did that with Lauren.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Jerry was trying to organize that for the radio show today.
He was trying to organize an hour of gay chicken
where him and Lauren and then you and Lauren, and
then rute It and Lauren have a round robin of
gay chicken, and then for some reason, I don't get
to participate in that round robin.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I'm not pulling out a gay chicken with Lauren. No, no,
this is okay. So now you're a fucking exhibit A. See.
I knew he'd want to be in it too. It's
a good idea. We're not doing another podcast on this,
so we all do a round robin and then this
is why I can't have sick days.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
This is why those are the first two sick days
they've ever taken. Because I'm away, and what happens. The
gay Chicken will play. That's what happens when Matt's away,
The gay Chicken will play. That's what they say. That's
a new saying that's going to take over that other one.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I'm gutted that Lauren never came under play gay Checken.
We're meant to play at five plus seven this morning
on the normal show, on the radio show. You know,
it was gutting that she couldn't make it in this morning.
I don't know where she.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Was, No, but I don't think it like, how is
it gay chicken if it's with Lauren?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, these are the questions I was asking Matt. Thank you,
it's just Laura. That's just Lauren running away and making
a complaint. And do you know what Jersey to that?
When I asked him what you said?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, okay, Lauren, how about you dressed up in some
cricket whites and some cricket equipment, put the pads on,
and then chuck on a mow and apparently that was
close enough to be gay chicken.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Let's just say Lauren was into it. She was. She
was the most into it out of everyone. That's not true.
Was she here? She was in here? Yes, you sitting?
What was she where I'm sitting? Yeah? Oh god, how
you smell? It? Was Lauren sitting here. I'm going to
go and take this dumb like on the seat here
when I get back. We're not talking about gay chicken.
That's quite quite hot. It was. It was actually really hot. Wow,
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it was really hot. You guys didn't tell me that.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
On knew I had a bit of a it was
a sort of a little bit of sexual energy in
the show today from me.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It was you know, she was Look, it was the
greatest part about it, was it. She was really into it.
She was the most into it out of everyone. Was
listened to it was.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Mentioned onto it essentially walked out of the room.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
He's not he just wasn't onto it.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
As I just saw my reflection over there and I thought,
who's that wounder? And then I realized it was me
because I forgot that I was wearing a Dunedin Sharks
rugby club beanie. Who are the Sharks just just a
club down in Deneed with a big Dunedin on this
on the side. Yeah, yeah, now you've called it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I know what you mean. Sometimes I catch myself on
reflection and who's that dick? That's me? Yeah, you're disappointing
with the gay chicken anyway? Really you mean to organize that? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
There was a few other things going on on the
radio show today, mainly around that weird principle that got
into trouble. But Matt, I think another thing about the
gay chicken was to make to a whole nother thing
on the gay chicken, but to make sure that it
was proper gay chicken and not just us pesting Laren Lauren.
She was going to be called Lorri and have to
wear a mustache and mashes cricket year.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That's right, that's right, she was most excited about.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I got to say, let's talk about a lambrah.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Excuse a lambra? Who's a lambra?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Oh's the Dunedin Sharks anyway.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
They think about seeing yourself in reflection and thinking what
a wounded that self? Hatred and It's purest, isn't it.
If you're if you're walking down a road, and have
you ever been so steamed that you've been confused and
started talking to yourself in the mirror.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I've been so steamed that I've been talking to people
that weren't in the room a couple of times. Actually,
it's there's a number of times when I've been having
conversations with people that aren't there, right, And people have
approached me and said, who are you talking to, and
I'm like, oh, no, one.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
But a friend that took to Jura once and then
he ended up in a prison cell and and he
said the weirdest thing when he got back, he was
dropped off by the police back of their flat and
he said, do you know the weirdest thing is that
my mum and dad were in the prison sell with me.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
The whole time.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh yeah, the whole time they were there. And then
and then he went into sort of a bit of
a bad state, and someone rang his mum and dad,
who were in christ Church all right, and they said
you came down and they were like no, no, no,
But does make more sense that they weren't there when
he was on a head lived with usinogen, but he
was He had been there quite comfortably, talking to his
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mum and dad for about ten hours in a prison.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Has anyone ever had a good time on daychura? Have
you ever heard of anybody like a single a single person,
a single person out there.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I once made a a short film called Datura Flowers
from the Garden of Hell. Yeah, because Datua is just
such a bad time. It's interesting because his drugs about
that you can take that will really like you know,
we we we make some drugs illegal. The police fly
around trying to shut them down. There's arrests, but then
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daye sua, which which is the worst possible. Yeah, sorry,
mesh got a shoe right in your face. It's just
just growing on bloody trees.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, nobody seems to be on a mesh. Hey, ever
got on the day tura? No, don't really, I've never
got on day chair? Does day grow up here? Yeah? Yeah?
I had a day chair plant growing in my back
garden in my house. Was it not there anymore? Was
it next to the marijuana plant? No? No, I never
had a marijuana because everything on the back right of
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the house there, and then you had the day tura
just next to that, didn't you, No, no, never, no,
the day chura. It was an old day chura plant
that was growing there, and we took it out because
we took abut a whole lot of other plants when
we changed our garden around, but not because it was
day tura, just because it was a kind of an
ugly plant. Actually, is it interesting though?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Because day tura like readily available and non secured, just
growing everywhere. I mean, it's not just an yet. It's
such a bad drug and such a bad hallucinogen. You know,
people are desperately foraging around from mushrooms, they're buying acids,
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kid to mean, they're doing all these kind of things.
But everyone just knows that detu is just a it's
just a shitter loucinogen. Yeah, it must excite the ship
parts of you.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Is anyone into Has anyone tried cactus here? Yeah? Good disgusting? Yeah,
but very odd time.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I ended up in a maze, but a real or no,
I turned out. I was just crawling around in the
garden at the back of this house for about quite
a few hours, but in my mind I was in
this mazed. I couldn't get out of and it was
like a hedge maze, but it was there was actually
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a very small line of hedge. But that that that
turned into a massive situation and you.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Could get out of it, couldn't get out. It doesn't
sound good. No, it wasn't good. No. I never had
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But what I always wonder in those situations when you've
taken an allucinogen is why you believe that the stuff is
real and you know that you've taken an allusagen.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Because now there's a reason for that. It's because it's
essentially it's just going through a different sign It's all
the information is going through different signaps, right, So it's
all the same information because it's all coming in your eyes,
but it's just the way that your brain has dealt
with the information inside to send it through a completely
different path.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, it's because it's like when you've had two bottles
of wine and you're drunk. You don't go weird, Why
am I yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Falling over? You go, oh, that'll be the wine I've drunk. Yes,
But I think because of the fact that there's two signapps,
is then it's going through a bottom SIGNAPS or the
top SIGNAPS. Instead of the bottom signups in your brain,
it's still going through a sign apps, so it's not
appeared in any way other than the fact that it's
actually just going through a different signups, which makes it
the whole experience seemed completely different. Yeah, whilst at the
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same time believable. Yeah, yeah, interesting, isn't that.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I feel like in the last two days that I've
been sick, there were times when I was sort of
hallucinating in my fever.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, I wonder whether that's the heat that's going on
in your body.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, so much sweating and also just sort of drifting
in and out of CSI episodes that were on play
next episode on Netflix, so they just kept going to
the next episode, So I'd be like trying to put
stories together between like five minutes of one episode of CSI,
then another five minutes of another, and then another five
minutes of another pot together.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You never try and watch like a crime scene investigation
series when you've got a fever, because it's already having
to piece together a puzzle, right, Yeah, So it's hard
enough to piece together the puzzle normally, but when you're
coming in and out of consciousness, plus you've got a
fever running at the same time, you don't know what's
real what's not real.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Very difficult plus for you also affected by any cold
and flu. Medication No, I do not take medication as
it real. I'm empty it. I will not touch a thing.
I just want the fever to burn. You know, like
if you if you're going to give up the day
and stay at home, you don't want to mitigate the symptoms,
if you know what I mean, because the fever is
actually doing a job. I've actually trying to raise your
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body temperature and your blood temperature to the point that
the illness gets killed and leaves your body.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That's part of your immune system.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So I'm like, if I'm going to lie on the
I'm going to stay at home, then I'm just gonna
let it burn.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Let that fever go feed the fever. What is it?
Fever fever, feed a fever, starver, starver, a fever, feeder cold.
I think it's feeder fever. No, starvi fever. No, but
that's the old one.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
They got it around the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You'll know, because I think you definitely want to eat
food when you got a cold. You don't want to
not eat food. Yeah, I was sort of starve a
fever feeder cold.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, But I think the thing is that you got it,
you gotta you gotta let a fever burn.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Is the thing.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
They used to think you should, you should twin quitella fever,
but now they like, let that fever burn so it
can do its fucking job. Is that the same, Yeah,
that's the same. Leave the fucking let the fever fucking
blast your ass.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I once though, saw a child of mine limp with fever,
and it's one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen.
And Michigan must have been three or something, and of
course when you're a three year old, you have no
way of explaining what's going on. But she had a
full on, fiery fever next level and then she went
to a point and she just went limp and just
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with nothing going on at all. Oh God Jesus couldn't
bring around. That's a terrifying and.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
That might be pushing, that might be letting the fever
burn just slightly too much. There's a line on that bombshell.
I would like to take a break and come back
and tell you three fevered things that I saw that
were fucking great changed my life.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Forever. Oh yeah, that's not on.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Let's do this one and we're back.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Are you still in a fever? You tease those three things?
And I'm hanging out for the way I can. I
also say before we do that, I'm feeling quite nostalgic.
Right now.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I'm sitting over the other side of the disk where
I used to set a couple of years ago. Ah,
it's quite nice now, Jerry you're to the left of me,
and Matt you're to the right of me. Ah, and guys,
usually that's the other way around. Ah, and it feels
quite strange.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So now that the Jery is the devil, because the
devil always sits on your left hand shoulder and the
angel sits on your right.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
It feels more appropriate. You know. That's why you're supposed
to throw. Well.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
For the longest time, people used to when they sneezed,
if they spilt salt, they throw it over their left
and hand shoulder to throw it salt in the devil's eyes.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's what that is. Yeah, I've seen people do that.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I know super people that are very superstitious that do that.
Salt over the left shoulder.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, yeah, let's throw the salt in the devil's face.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I've played a cricket with a guy who used to
throw salt over his shoulder before we've went out to back.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Really yeah, which is depressing, But I'm like, do.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
You want to fucking throw salt in the Like if
I'm the devil and someone's like, I'm gonna I'm going
to possess someone, right, and then I'm going to possess
the person that keeps throwing salt on my face. The
person that doesn't, I'm like going to go. I might
let this guy go. But you know, if someone if
Meshu came in to the radio this morning through it
just threw salt in my face, I'd probably be feeling
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a little bit vengeful.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
But you're throwing at theory. I guess. Really, you're throwing
it in your own face, aren't you. You're throwing it
in that part of yourself which has succumbed to that
part of your consciousness.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Right, So it was the devil in you really that
made you spill the salt.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Because the devil's inside of you. So that was why
I thought it was quite interesting reading die Hinwod's book,
he was talking about his cancer and he said when
he first got diagnosed, he saw it. He hated his cancer, right,
he hated this thing that was inside of him. And
then he realized through his Shintoism and Taoism that that
very cancer is that actually a part of him, and
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whether or not he likes it, it is him. And
you don't dislike parts of you. There's no point. It's
dangerous and unhealthy to dislike parts of yourself. So instead
he learned to love his cancer. Wow. And he said
that because your cancer doesn't the because it basically otherwise
you're hating something that's inside of you.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
People spend with so much of their lives hating parts
of themselves, don't they, like, you know, people that get
plastic surgery or I mean, if cancer is a deep
part of you, and you know that takes a huge
amount of philosophical strength to love that. But you know,
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just even people go, I don't like my legs, you know, Yeah,
I don't like my nose.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
But it's like if you could go, well, that's my nose,
that's that's part of me. Yeah, then you might feel
bad about getting a nose job because you're like, I'm
mutilating myself.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, And the other part of it is so classic
that humans would name our nose. You know that we
name everything. We've got this thing about naming everything, so
we name our nose. Now, your nose is really just
your face, right, But it must be very decided to
hate one part of your nose, but one part of
your face. But if you instead say, well, I like
my face or I like myself, well, why would you
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then differentiate your nose, because your nose is really just
your face? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Dog, you see a dog that's lost its back legs
and it's running around with wheels, happy as larry. It
doesn't go. It doesn't well does it. It doesn't go
I hate myself because I've got wheels for legs, or
I hate that. Yeah, it doesn't quite work. But they
definitely But dogs definitely don't hate parts of their faces,
do they or even know they have a face.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
No, they don't know a face. They don't distinguish between
the nose and the rest of themselves.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
It must be very interesting, like getting an enhancement, let's say,
like a boob job. And let's say you're a woman
that's really disliked your body for a long time, and
then you wake up from the boob job. Well, I
mean once it all heels and stuff, and just like, fuck,
I love my new boobs, I love my rack.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Is that what happens though? Is that what happens to
say to some people? It would?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, I think I think sometimes you just then think
of another thing you want change.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
That's what I'm worried about.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
That's because I think this is about getting a boob job.
I am I'm thinking about getting them reduced in size. Really, no,
I'm not. I haven't thought about that. But I think
that's You're right man, in the sense that the type
of mindset that you would get into, it seems nothing
you can fix something about yourself, fix something, and yeah, then.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You immediately go that's fixed now, Now why when actually,
well you need to fix is the feeling that you
have about that thing inside of your mind?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, and that what we solved. Yeah, Well, any money.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
That's that stock principle, isn't it basically, well, you know,
if it comes down to it, you know, it's like
pleasure isn't derived from changing things or getting more. It
comes from accepting what you have and where you are. Yes,
and if you can do that, because you'll never be
perfect that's the problem. You can and if you are
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critiquing yourself, then boy, oh boy, you can find things.
You can find things that you want to change and
change and change and change and change and change and
change and change and change. And they end up looking
like one of those cat women. You know, those people
have so much surgery they start to look like cats.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Oh yeah, I'm watching Love Island at the moment, which
is in its about twelfth season, and every year it's
been a real fascinating kind of almost social experiment watching
how people have changed over the last twelve years. Oh
kind of you know, twelve years ago when the show
first started, you consider quite normal types of people. And
then now I get that Love Island they're getting kind
of some slightly strange parts of society to come.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
And do something.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And I get that, But now it is one hundred
percent of the ladies, especially on the show, do not
resemble what she lip enhancements, particularly a lot of apps
and a lot of cheap bowe, a lot of filler.
It's so full on now that that's it's a standard
is not to is to fix things about yourself?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
What about because back in the day, you know, guys bodies,
like to be a muscly kind of a guy, like
a bit of an athletic sort of a vibe, you know,
with your body, it looked a certain way. Now it's
like men's bodies, like on those shows, they've all got
like crazy, crazy like cut bodies, skinny at the moment,
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it's totally normal. Yeah, yeah in that world to be cut.
I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I was thinking before when you said you were getting
a boob job done, Mashi, I am kind of getting
a boob job done, and then I'm going to the
gym and I'm lifting weights, which is definitely changing the
shape of my boobs.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah. I mean that's kind of like even that.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
We are always trying to change ourselves a little bit,
aren't we, And that's arguable because I'm not. I wasn't
happy with especially that there was the one shot of
me climbing out of a shark's mouth and one of
my boobs came forward in a really odd way. I
remember that photo and then Kate Briton posted it everywhere
to shame me. Yeah, to be old if I did
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that to her, you know, like if I'd take a
picture of one of her boobs, and they posted it everywhere, you'd.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Probably be fired. I reckon you'd be fired. Those bodies,
you know, like on Love Island and stuff. So those
guys that have those bodies, so do you reckon that
they're happy with their bodies, but they always want their
bodies to be even better than what they are. I
reckon that's a slippery slope too. I don't think you
could ever be completely satisfied once you go down that road,
you're like, I could be better. But if you if
you take it.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Back to the thing you're talking about with Diehinwood before,
it really puts things in perspective. If you go people
wanting to change their body and then you've got someone
that has cancer within them, and then it kind of
totally puts things in perspective, doesn't it Like that's something
you might want to change. Not having cancer, you know,
that might be something that you really want to change.
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And yet we be in their whole lives worrying about
things that are just I'm not quite this, I'm not
quite that. And yeah, I mean I don't know how
you solve that problem because I don't think people can
really put their head into get their head around what
it would mean to have something inside you that was
killing you. Yeah, I mean, if you know like I mean,
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but perspective is something. Have you heard of those the
Guinea Pig Club, which is that New Zealand plastic surgery
and plastic surgeon. In World War Two, he went over
to the and he started this ward and performed plastic
surgery on the pilots that had had their faces burned
off because you know, back in World War Two, all
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the fuel was at the front of the planes because
that's where the engines were, and so whenever they crashed,
it basically burnt people's faces off. So he had these
people with no faces on, like just they would come
to him with no faces. And he was an incredible
plastic surgeon that he discovered that when people fell in
salt water, they actually faces came out better. And so
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from that he worked out and he started like having
people so so consult water, invented all these other these
techniques to deal with their faces and stuff. But the
one thing that he did that really made a difference
was to get them to just go out in public
or how they looked. And he had take them out
personally for drinks in public and just take them to
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face that they were what they were, and it was
because everyone before then, everyone like that, had just hid
it away. They sort of became like, you know, like
the phantoms of the opera, and you know that they
became freaks that went away in.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
This and asks.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I think his name was Archibald Macendo or something like that,
great New Zealander, but he and then they formed this
thing called the Guinea Pig Club where they just became
a social club where they just went out with their
mutated faces and they talk to people. And in New Zealand,
this was in the UK. He went over the UK
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to do it, and it was a small town that
that that the hospital was in. And then these people
were just out everywhere and facing the public and having
drinks and right for the rest of their life, they'd
always get back together with the Skinning Pick Club and
many of them met partners and wives and they just
became able to deal with people staring at them. And
(24:24):
it just strikes me, you know when you see that,
so these people everyone's worrying about the way they look,
and these guys literally had no face.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
That's amazing because if you're really, if you're completely honest
with yourself, like completely honest, and you say, okay, if
you met someone and their face was completely you know,
yeah morphed, you know, from some kind of accident or
something that something, are what are the chances that you
would fall in love and go out with that person? Yeah?
(24:52):
I mean if you're completely honest with yourself, yes, slim slim,
you know, and you like to I like to think
of myself as a person who doesn't judge people on
their appearance. Yeah, but I got it. If I'm completely
honesome stuff, it would be bloody slim. Yeah. So those
people are brave people. Yeah, men, they're brave people. It's
very impressive. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
He kind of made it their thing to be brave
about it.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
And in that.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Town, I can't remember what the town's called. It's it's
a small It was a small town, but they know
it was a very small town, but they Liverpool no smaller.
But they made the sign saying they were the town
(25:39):
that did not that they didn't stare. That's what the
town got called because they didn't stare. But his point
was do steer and just deal in them. Have a lock, yeah,
because because the worst the worst part is that you
disappear Joe.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
He's a very good person to talk to about this
type of thing. And I'm not sure if you'll be
stoked about the fact that I'm mentioning this, but g
Lane a joke at his expense before about the breast
that he was growing on his head for a long time.
And we're mates, luckily, and that's how we get to
do that kind of thing, and we've got a good
enough relationship. But that was a very fascinating thing for him,
as I've had a couple of deep yarns to him
about what it's like. He went from nothing wrong with
(26:13):
his face to something very very roll with his face,
and he had to he was struggling for a long
time going out in public because all of a sudden
he's worried about these things on his face and people
looking at him and stuff like that. And it's the
same kind of thing as what happens in the skinea Pig.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
He embraced it. I thought he did it very well.
He did very impressed with that. He just he just
embraced it and went full on into it.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
He said that that was a conscious decision early on, though,
as he did say, and he talked to your partner
about it and said, you know what, let's challenged this.
Just go I'm going to go out early with us
and make sure I like the Guinea Pig Club and
give it a good crack, and then hopefully after a
while it's just as what it is. And now they're
going obviously s it's a bit different, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, but I mean phenomenal, because yeah, it's the same
kind of thing, like you could just hide away and
no one would blame you for it to just to
just you know, I'm sure he's got health insurance he
could have had. You know, there'd be ways that he
could have just hidden away, but he just kept going
through a power of work and right through that stuff.
(27:12):
I reckon what Glane did through that stuff kind of
blows my mind. Ye, Like it must have been just
having the pain of it, having not just the pain,
but the awkwardness and never feeling comfortable, looking really different.
And it's one thing for people that know him, it's
another people that for people that didn't know him. You know,
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he's dropping kids off at school, doing all that that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
A couple of people made Joe I was in a
meeting once and those people made jokes because he was
wearing a beanie and you know when he had the
he had and he had these it looked like he
had horns growing out of it. And this person made
a joke about it. He goes, nah, just growing and
he whipped off his beani and he's like, I'm just
crying breasts out the top of my head. And this
person did not know what to do. Yeah, it was
(27:56):
like and he did another thing. Sorry, I've just had
I've said something something about answer, and the person was
just they made a joke, and they went from thinking
that they had made a joke and that they were
great to feeling griends so quickly. But it was but
he did it in a really funny way. Yeah, but
it was. It's great to watch.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Glane wasn't afraid to weaponize. It was good weaponized. I
feel bad because me and Gelane were him seeing this
thing in Queenstown and and someone sort of he was
wearing a beanie and I didn't realize how sensitive he
was about it, because not that he was sensitive about it,
but I didn't realize there was a sort of a boundary.
(28:38):
And and and we were on stage and someone was
asking something and I said, oh, well, Gelane's got these
terrible scars, and I you know, I thought we could
talk about it. And I said, oh, should show them
your scars, Glane, and he was like, I'm not showing
anyone because it was because it wasn't because and I
know I understand now that what it was was it's
not for me. It was for him to show them.
(29:00):
It's not for me to make him show them or something.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I got that wrong. But also I think there's sometimes
you know what it's like like in certain moments of
your life, you feel more vulnerable than other moments, Like
there are sometimes when you can totally deal with the job, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and then there's some days when you can't deal with
the job. Understand, that's why you've got to let it
to be on their terms. Yeah, And you never know
what the person's going through, how the person's state is,
or what they've had to deal with in the moments
(29:25):
before that. You know, you might have just been through
three or four things that may have been really really
full on. You might be at a low ebb and
all of a sudden someone comes through with a joke
and you're not quite you don't have the strength at
that moment to deal with it, and then sometimes you
might totally have the strength to deal with it. But
it's all my experience. It will depend on what's happened
leading into that moment.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of thought us calling Gulane Tit's
lane was like a way to go. We know, we
don't care. Yeah, you're still just the same guy that's
ripped the shit out of us, and we rip the
shit out of each other. And I knew that you
not expect the same treatment, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, sometimes sometimes you're up for the gag and sometimes
you're not. It's one of those weird things. Well, it's
a bit different when you're in die situation, you know,
Oh totally and lanes of that matter as well. I
found both those guys. I find it very impressive. I
mean I was impressed by those guys anyway before all
that happened, but the way that they both have dealt
with that, Yeah, kind of different situations, but I find
(30:28):
it inspiring. Yeah, and gives great context to any to
life basically.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, oh yeah, You've got to enjoy try and enjoy
the times you've got because wherever you are, it's probably
only going to get worse. Things, things tend towards getting worse,
and horrific stuff could happen at any time, and then
you could sit back and go, well, jeez, I wasn't God.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I had a good and didn't I failed to enjoy it?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, I mean Jimmy Carr said something really interesting the
other day. He goes, talk to anyone think yourself thirty
years from now, and ask that person what would you
give to be back where you are now? And there's
not a single person that wouldn't go I would go back. Yeah,
you know, because because what you have now is better
than what you haven't. Well, you know, like how you
(31:15):
are now is better than it will be in thirty years.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah. That's such an interesting idea that it's so much
that you could also translate into what's going on New Zealand.
But I don't reckon you get to that point till
you're in the middle age. Yeah, because when you're mashes age,
you don't want to go back to being twelve. Yeah,
that's true, when he'd be going back to being dead.
When you're twenty four, you don't want to go back
to seven.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, No, that that's true. And and and also you'd say,
if you've had kids in the middle, you wouldn't want
to go back to not have the kid. No.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, So it doesn't quite work. It kind of works
when you when you're going forward to seventy or eighty,
I reckon, there's a moment I think there's an age,
and I reckon, I'm going to say it's forty three. Yeah,
we're all of forty five, and all of a sudden,
you would go to go back twenty years. You know,
that'd be quite a good time, Whereas before that you're like, no,
I'd rather not go back to those times.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Because you can't get to pubsn and you can't make
love to the partner of your choice.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
No, yeah. Or I can't play gay chicken with meshes
with LORR. No, you can'try. You can't. That's right.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I don't think you can play gay chicken anyway.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
No, you can't. That's what I think. You man, what
about if he's dressed in cricket gear with a.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Mustache, Well, he's a she's genderizing or Take four will
take a lot more than a mustache and cricket gear
for Lauren to not be Lauren and a.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Helmet and a helmet.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
What if Lauren slash Laurie walks in in the next
five minutes and says, today, I'm identifying as a man.
Are we going to question that in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I'm not. I am. I think I think I was
impression I was dating a woman. Ye mess has got
skin in the game. Ever, I'm going to start asking questions.
She can do whatever she wants, obviously, but for me,
my interests are a little bit different. If she's decided
today that she's going to be a man, and she's
allowed to do that of course, anyway, all right, all right,
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Speaker 2 (01:27):
I'm back, baby, and I'm better than ever. You're back,
which is great to have you back. Mash needs to
go and take a dump. I do yes, I'll do that.
He's going to go and do that. He's going to
go and take a dump, and then we're going to
McCall in a moment from let's not do that.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Let's cause the last thing was the last thing I
was involved in was the worst thing we've ever done,
which was that spoon walk and knife debarcle. I thought,
are we trying to Are we trying to move this
Bespoke Daily podcast forward or backwards? What are we trying
to do here?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well, firstly, I blame you for that. Secondly, the game
that we were playing after that, which was Pineapple, it's
not poor or Red Hot Poker. Yeah, it was so
much worse. Yeah, I was as terrible.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
But I just think as a rule we could go
for some more ci sophisticated content.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Both possible.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I mean, we're running like we're running a really schizophrenic
podcast here on the Daily Bespoke. I mean the radio
highlights pot is pretty much straight up the line, you know,
pretty schizophrenic. Sometimes we're doing full true crime investigations. Sometimes
we're talking to Graham Norton. Sometimes we're talking about putting
fork spoons and knives up our backsides.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, yesterday we just about had a sexual assault live
on the radio as Lauren Mesh, his partner, came on
the show Jesus and nearly being in a game of
gay checking with her. I don't know if you ever
played gay checken before, but gay checking is when two
guys steer at each other and you get closer and
(02:57):
closer and closer and together until your pesh. Someone has
to pull out and that's the chicken. And then you
did that with Lauren.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Jerry was trying to organize that for the radio show today.
He was trying to organize an hour of gay chicken
where him and Lauren and then you and Lauren, and
then rute It and Lauren have a round robin of
gay chicken, and then for some reason, I don't get
to participate in that round robin.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
I'm not pulling out a gay chicken with Lauren. No, no,
this is okay. So now you're a fucking exhibit A. See.
I knew he'd want to be in it too. It's
a good idea. We're not doing another podcast on this,
so we all do a round robin and then this
is why I can't have sick days.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
This is why those are the first two sick days
they've ever taken. Because I'm away, and what happens. The
gay Chicken will play. That's what happens when Matt's away,
The gay Chicken will play. That's what they say. That's
a new saying that's going to take over that other one.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I'm gutted that Lauren never came under play gay Checken.
We're meant to play at five plus seven this morning
on the normal show, on the radio show. You know,
it was gutting that she couldn't make it in this morning.
I don't know where she.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Was, No, but I don't think it like, how is
it gay chicken if it's with Lauren?
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, these are the questions I was asking Matt. Thank you,
it's just Laura. That's just Lauren running away and making
a complaint. And do you know what Jersey to that?
When I asked him what you said?
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Well, okay, Lauren, how about you dressed up in some
cricket whites and some cricket equipment, put the pads on,
and then chuck on a mow and apparently that was
close enough to be gay chicken.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Let's just say Lauren was into it. She was. She
was the most into it out of everyone. That's not true.
Was she here? She was in here? Yes, you sitting?
What was she where I'm sitting? Yeah? Oh god, how
you smell? It? Was Lauren sitting here. I'm going to
go and take this dumb like on the seat here
when I get back. We're not talking about gay chicken.
That's quite quite hot. It was. It was actually really hot. Wow,
(04:39):
it was really hot. You guys didn't tell me that.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
On knew I had a bit of a it was
a sort of a little bit of sexual energy in
the show today from me.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It was you know, she was Look, it was the
greatest part about it, was it. She was really into it.
She was the most into it out of everyone. Was
listened to it was.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Mentioned onto it essentially walked out of the room.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
He's not he just wasn't onto it.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
As I just saw my reflection over there and I thought,
who's that wounder? And then I realized it was me
because I forgot that I was wearing a Dunedin Sharks
rugby club beanie. Who are the Sharks just just a
club down in Deneed with a big Dunedin on this
on the side. Yeah, yeah, now you've called it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I know what you mean. Sometimes I catch myself on
reflection and who's that dick? That's me? Yeah, you're disappointing
with the gay chicken anyway? Really you mean to organize that? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
There was a few other things going on on the
radio show today, mainly around that weird principle that got
into trouble. But Matt, I think another thing about the
gay chicken was to make to a whole nother thing
on the gay chicken, but to make sure that it
was proper gay chicken and not just us pesting Laren Lauren.
She was going to be called Lorri and have to
wear a mustache and mashes cricket year.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
That's right, that's right, she was most excited about.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I got to say, let's talk about a lambrah.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Excuse a lambra? Who's a lambra?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Oh's the Dunedin Sharks anyway.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
They think about seeing yourself in reflection and thinking what
a wounded that self? Hatred and It's purest, isn't it.
If you're if you're walking down a road, and have
you ever been so steamed that you've been confused and
started talking to yourself in the mirror.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I've been so steamed that I've been talking to people
that weren't in the room a couple of times. Actually,
it's there's a number of times when I've been having
conversations with people that aren't there, right, And people have
approached me and said, who are you talking to, and
I'm like, oh, no, one.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
But a friend that took to Jura once and then
he ended up in a prison cell and and he
said the weirdest thing when he got back, he was
dropped off by the police back of their flat and
he said, do you know the weirdest thing is that
my mum and dad were in the prison sell with me.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
The whole time.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Oh yeah, the whole time they were there. And then
and then he went into sort of a bit of
a bad state, and someone rang his mum and dad,
who were in christ Church all right, and they said
you came down and they were like no, no, no,
But does make more sense that they weren't there when
he was on a head lived with usinogen, but he
was He had been there quite comfortably, talking to his
(07:22):
mum and dad for about ten hours in a prison.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Has anyone ever had a good time on daychura? Have
you ever heard of anybody like a single a single person,
a single person out there.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I once made a a short film called Datura Flowers
from the Garden of Hell. Yeah, because Datua is just
such a bad time. It's interesting because his drugs about
that you can take that will really like you know,
we we we make some drugs illegal. The police fly
around trying to shut them down. There's arrests, but then
(07:59):
daye sua, which which is the worst possible. Yeah, sorry,
mesh got a shoe right in your face. It's just
just growing on bloody trees.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, nobody seems to be on a mesh. Hey, ever
got on the day tura? No, don't really, I've never
got on day chair? Does day grow up here? Yeah? Yeah?
I had a day chair plant growing in my back
garden in my house. Was it not there anymore? Was
it next to the marijuana plant? No? No, I never
had a marijuana because everything on the back right of
(08:32):
the house there, and then you had the day tura
just next to that, didn't you, No, no, never, no,
the day chura. It was an old day chura plant
that was growing there, and we took it out because
we took abut a whole lot of other plants when
we changed our garden around, but not because it was
day tura, just because it was a kind of an
ugly plant. Actually, is it interesting though?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Because day tura like readily available and non secured, just
growing everywhere. I mean, it's not just an yet. It's
such a bad drug and such a bad hallucinogen. You know,
people are desperately foraging around from mushrooms, they're buying acids,
(09:10):
kid to mean, they're doing all these kind of things.
But everyone just knows that detu is just a it's
just a shitter loucinogen. Yeah, it must excite the ship
parts of you.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Is anyone into Has anyone tried cactus here? Yeah? Good disgusting? Yeah,
but very odd time.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I ended up in a maze, but a real or no,
I turned out. I was just crawling around in the
garden at the back of this house for about quite
a few hours, but in my mind I was in
this mazed. I couldn't get out of and it was
like a hedge maze, but it was there was actually
(09:53):
a very small line of hedge. But that that that
turned into a massive situation and you.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Could get out of it, couldn't get out. It doesn't
sound good. No, it wasn't good. No. I never had
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
But what I always wonder in those situations when you've
taken an allucinogen is why you believe that the stuff is
real and you know that you've taken an allusagen.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Because now there's a reason for that. It's because it's
essentially it's just going through a different sign It's all
the information is going through different signaps, right, So it's
all the same information because it's all coming in your eyes,
but it's just the way that your brain has dealt
with the information inside to send it through a completely
different path.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, it's because it's like when you've had two bottles
of wine and you're drunk. You don't go weird, Why
am I yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Falling over? You go, oh, that'll be the wine I've drunk. Yes,
But I think because of the fact that there's two signapps,
is then it's going through a bottom SIGNAPS or the
top SIGNAPS. Instead of the bottom signups in your brain,
it's still going through a sign apps, so it's not
appeared in any way other than the fact that it's
actually just going through a different signups, which makes it
the whole experience seemed completely different. Yeah, whilst at the
(11:04):
same time believable. Yeah, yeah, interesting, isn't that.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I feel like in the last two days that I've
been sick, there were times when I was sort of
hallucinating in my fever.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Well, I wonder whether that's the heat that's going on
in your body.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, so much sweating and also just sort of drifting
in and out of CSI episodes that were on play
next episode on Netflix, so they just kept going to
the next episode, So I'd be like trying to put
stories together between like five minutes of one episode of CSI,
then another five minutes of another, and then another five
minutes of another pot together.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You never try and watch like a crime scene investigation
series when you've got a fever, because it's already having
to piece together a puzzle, right, Yeah, So it's hard
enough to piece together the puzzle normally, but when you're
coming in and out of consciousness, plus you've got a
fever running at the same time, you don't know what's
real what's not real.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Very difficult plus for you also affected by any cold
and flu. Medication No, I do not take medication as
it real. I'm empty it. I will not touch a thing.
I just want the fever to burn. You know, like
if you if you're going to give up the day
and stay at home, you don't want to mitigate the symptoms,
if you know what I mean, because the fever is
actually doing a job. I've actually trying to raise your
(12:21):
body temperature and your blood temperature to the point that
the illness gets killed and leaves your body.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
That's part of your immune system.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
So I'm like, if I'm going to lie on the
I'm going to stay at home, then I'm just gonna
let it burn.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Let that fever go feed the fever. What is it?
Fever fever, feed a fever, starver, starver, a fever, feeder cold.
I think it's feeder fever. No, starvi fever. No, but
that's the old one.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
They got it around the wrong way.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
You'll know, because I think you definitely want to eat
food when you got a cold. You don't want to
not eat food. Yeah, I was sort of starve a
fever feeder cold.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, But I think the thing is that you got it,
you gotta you gotta let a fever burn.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Is the thing.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
They used to think you should, you should twin quitella fever,
but now they like, let that fever burn so it
can do its fucking job. Is that the same, Yeah,
that's the same. Leave the fucking let the fever fucking
blast your ass.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I once though, saw a child of mine limp with fever,
and it's one of the most terrifying things I've ever seen.
And Michigan must have been three or something, and of
course when you're a three year old, you have no
way of explaining what's going on. But she had a
full on, fiery fever next level and then she went
to a point and she just went limp and just
(13:34):
with nothing going on at all. Oh God Jesus couldn't
bring around. That's a terrifying and.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
That might be pushing, that might be letting the fever
burn just slightly too much. There's a line on that bombshell.
I would like to take a break and come back
and tell you three fevered things that I saw that
were fucking great changed my life.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Forever. Oh yeah, that's not on.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Let's do this one and we're back.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Are you still in a fever? You tease those three things?
And I'm hanging out for the way I can. I
also say before we do that, I'm feeling quite nostalgic.
Right now.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I'm sitting over the other side of the disk where
I used to set a couple of years ago. Ah,
it's quite nice now, Jerry you're to the left of me,
and Matt you're to the right of me. Ah, and guys,
usually that's the other way around. Ah, and it feels
quite strange.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
So now that the Jery is the devil, because the
devil always sits on your left hand shoulder and the
angel sits on your right.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
It feels more appropriate. You know. That's why you're supposed
to throw. Well.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
For the longest time, people used to when they sneezed,
if they spilt salt, they throw it over their left
and hand shoulder to throw it salt in the devil's eyes.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That's what that is. Yeah, I've seen people do that.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
I know super people that are very superstitious that do that.
Salt over the left shoulder.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, yeah, let's throw the salt in the devil's face.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I've played a cricket with a guy who used to
throw salt over his shoulder before we've went out to back.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Really yeah, which is depressing, But I'm like, do.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
You want to fucking throw salt in the Like if
I'm the devil and someone's like, I'm gonna I'm going
to possess someone, right, and then I'm going to possess
the person that keeps throwing salt on my face. The
person that doesn't, I'm like going to go. I might
let this guy go. But you know, if someone if
Meshu came in to the radio this morning through it
just threw salt in my face, I'd probably be feeling
(15:22):
a little bit vengeful.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
But you're throwing at theory. I guess. Really, you're throwing
it in your own face, aren't you. You're throwing it
in that part of yourself which has succumbed to that
part of your consciousness.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Right, So it was the devil in you really that
made you spill the salt.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Because the devil's inside of you. So that was why
I thought it was quite interesting reading die Hinwod's book,
he was talking about his cancer and he said when
he first got diagnosed, he saw it. He hated his cancer, right,
he hated this thing that was inside of him. And
then he realized through his Shintoism and Taoism that that
very cancer is that actually a part of him, and
(16:02):
whether or not he likes it, it is him. And
you don't dislike parts of you. There's no point. It's
dangerous and unhealthy to dislike parts of yourself. So instead
he learned to love his cancer. Wow. And he said
that because your cancer doesn't the because it basically otherwise
you're hating something that's inside of you.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
People spend with so much of their lives hating parts
of themselves, don't they, like, you know, people that get
plastic surgery or I mean, if cancer is a deep
part of you, and you know that takes a huge
amount of philosophical strength to love that. But you know,
(16:41):
just even people go, I don't like my legs, you know, Yeah,
I don't like my nose.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
But it's like if you could go, well, that's my nose,
that's that's part of me. Yeah, then you might feel
bad about getting a nose job because you're like, I'm
mutilating myself.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, And the other part of it is so classic
that humans would name our nose. You know that we
name everything. We've got this thing about naming everything, so
we name our nose. Now, your nose is really just
your face, right, But it must be very decided to
hate one part of your nose, but one part of
your face. But if you instead say, well, I like
my face or I like myself, well, why would you
(17:20):
then differentiate your nose, because your nose is really just
your face? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Dog, you see a dog that's lost its back legs
and it's running around with wheels, happy as larry. It
doesn't go. It doesn't well does it. It doesn't go
I hate myself because I've got wheels for legs, or
I hate that. Yeah, it doesn't quite work. But they
definitely But dogs definitely don't hate parts of their faces,
do they or even know they have a face.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
No, they don't know a face. They don't distinguish between
the nose and the rest of themselves.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
It must be very interesting, like getting an enhancement, let's say,
like a boob job. And let's say you're a woman
that's really disliked your body for a long time, and
then you wake up from the boob job. Well, I
mean once it all heels and stuff, and just like, fuck,
I love my new boobs, I love my rack.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Is that what happens though? Is that what happens to
say to some people? It would?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, I think I think sometimes you just then think
of another thing you want change.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
That's what I'm worried about.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
That's because I think this is about getting a boob job.
I am I'm thinking about getting them reduced in size. Really, no,
I'm not. I haven't thought about that. But I think
that's You're right man, in the sense that the type
of mindset that you would get into, it seems nothing
you can fix something about yourself, fix something, and yeah, then.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You immediately go that's fixed now, Now why when actually,
well you need to fix is the feeling that you
have about that thing inside of your mind?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, and that what we solved. Yeah, Well, any money.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
That's that stock principle, isn't it basically, well, you know,
if it comes down to it, you know, it's like
pleasure isn't derived from changing things or getting more. It
comes from accepting what you have and where you are. Yes,
and if you can do that, because you'll never be
perfect that's the problem. You can and if you are
(19:08):
critiquing yourself, then boy, oh boy, you can find things.
You can find things that you want to change and
change and change and change and change and change and
change and change and change. And they end up looking
like one of those cat women. You know, those people
have so much surgery they start to look like cats.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Oh yeah, I'm watching Love Island at the moment, which
is in its about twelfth season, and every year it's
been a real fascinating kind of almost social experiment watching
how people have changed over the last twelve years. Oh
kind of you know, twelve years ago when the show
first started, you consider quite normal types of people. And
then now I get that Love Island they're getting kind
of some slightly strange parts of society to come.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
And do something.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And I get that, But now it is one hundred
percent of the ladies, especially on the show, do not
resemble what she lip enhancements, particularly a lot of apps
and a lot of cheap bowe, a lot of filler.
It's so full on now that that's it's a standard
is not to is to fix things about yourself?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
What about because back in the day, you know, guys bodies,
like to be a muscly kind of a guy, like
a bit of an athletic sort of a vibe, you know,
with your body, it looked a certain way. Now it's
like men's bodies, like on those shows, they've all got
like crazy, crazy like cut bodies, skinny at the moment,
(20:28):
it's totally normal. Yeah, yeah in that world to be cut.
I was thinking.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I was thinking before when you said you were getting
a boob job done, Mashi, I am kind of getting
a boob job done, and then I'm going to the
gym and I'm lifting weights, which is definitely changing the
shape of my boobs.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah. I mean that's kind of like even that.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
We are always trying to change ourselves a little bit,
aren't we, And that's arguable because I'm not. I wasn't
happy with especially that there was the one shot of
me climbing out of a shark's mouth and one of
my boobs came forward in a really odd way. I
remember that photo and then Kate Briton posted it everywhere
to shame me. Yeah, to be old if I did
(21:10):
that to her, you know, like if I'd take a
picture of one of her boobs, and they posted it everywhere, you'd.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Probably be fired. I reckon you'd be fired. Those bodies,
you know, like on Love Island and stuff. So those
guys that have those bodies, so do you reckon that
they're happy with their bodies, but they always want their
bodies to be even better than what they are. I
reckon that's a slippery slope too. I don't think you
could ever be completely satisfied once you go down that road,
you're like, I could be better. But if you if
you take it.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Back to the thing you're talking about with Diehinwood before,
it really puts things in perspective. If you go people
wanting to change their body and then you've got someone
that has cancer within them, and then it kind of
totally puts things in perspective, doesn't it Like that's something
you might want to change. Not having cancer, you know,
that might be something that you really want to change.
(21:59):
And yet we be in their whole lives worrying about
things that are just I'm not quite this, I'm not
quite that. And yeah, I mean I don't know how
you solve that problem because I don't think people can
really put their head into get their head around what
it would mean to have something inside you that was
killing you. Yeah, I mean, if you know like I mean,
(22:21):
but perspective is something. Have you heard of those the
Guinea Pig Club, which is that New Zealand plastic surgery
and plastic surgeon. In World War Two, he went over
to the and he started this ward and performed plastic
surgery on the pilots that had had their faces burned
off because you know, back in World War Two, all
(22:41):
the fuel was at the front of the planes because
that's where the engines were, and so whenever they crashed,
it basically burnt people's faces off. So he had these
people with no faces on, like just they would come
to him with no faces. And he was an incredible
plastic surgeon that he discovered that when people fell in
salt water, they actually faces came out better. And so
(23:03):
from that he worked out and he started like having
people so so consult water, invented all these other these
techniques to deal with their faces and stuff. But the
one thing that he did that really made a difference
was to get them to just go out in public
or how they looked. And he had take them out
personally for drinks in public and just take them to
(23:24):
face that they were what they were, and it was
because everyone before then, everyone like that, had just hid
it away. They sort of became like, you know, like
the phantoms of the opera, and you know that they
became freaks that went away in.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
This and asks.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
I think his name was Archibald Macendo or something like that,
great New Zealander, but he and then they formed this
thing called the Guinea Pig Club where they just became
a social club where they just went out with their
mutated faces and they talk to people. And in New Zealand,
this was in the UK. He went over the UK
(24:02):
to do it, and it was a small town that
that that the hospital was in. And then these people
were just out everywhere and facing the public and having
drinks and right for the rest of their life, they'd
always get back together with the Skinning Pick Club and
many of them met partners and wives and they just
became able to deal with people staring at them. And
(24:24):
it just strikes me, you know when you see that,
so these people everyone's worrying about the way they look,
and these guys literally had no face.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
That's amazing because if you're really, if you're completely honest
with yourself, like completely honest, and you say, okay, if
you met someone and their face was completely you know,
yeah morphed, you know, from some kind of accident or
something that something, are what are the chances that you
would fall in love and go out with that person? Yeah?
(24:52):
I mean if you're completely honest with yourself, yes, slim slim,
you know, and you like to I like to think
of myself as a person who doesn't judge people on
their appearance. Yeah, but I got it. If I'm completely
honesome stuff, it would be bloody slim. Yeah. So those
people are brave people. Yeah, men, they're brave people. It's
very impressive. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
He kind of made it their thing to be brave
about it.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
And in that.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Town, I can't remember what the town's called. It's it's
a small It was a small town, but they know
it was a very small town, but they Liverpool no smaller.
But they made the sign saying they were the town
(25:39):
that did not that they didn't stare. That's what the
town got called because they didn't stare. But his point
was do steer and just deal in them. Have a lock, yeah,
because because the worst the worst part is that you
disappear Joe.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
He's a very good person to talk to about this
type of thing. And I'm not sure if you'll be
stoked about the fact that I'm mentioning this, but g
Lane a joke at his expense before about the breast
that he was growing on his head for a long time.
And we're mates, luckily, and that's how we get to
do that kind of thing, and we've got a good
enough relationship. But that was a very fascinating thing for him,
as I've had a couple of deep yarns to him
about what it's like. He went from nothing wrong with
(26:13):
his face to something very very roll with his face,
and he had to he was struggling for a long
time going out in public because all of a sudden
he's worried about these things on his face and people
looking at him and stuff like that. And it's the
same kind of thing as what happens in the skinea Pig.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
He embraced it. I thought he did it very well.
He did very impressed with that. He just he just
embraced it and went full on into it.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
He said that that was a conscious decision early on, though,
as he did say, and he talked to your partner
about it and said, you know what, let's challenged this.
Just go I'm going to go out early with us
and make sure I like the Guinea Pig Club and
give it a good crack, and then hopefully after a
while it's just as what it is. And now they're
going obviously s it's a bit different, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, but I mean phenomenal, because yeah, it's the same
kind of thing, like you could just hide away and
no one would blame you for it to just to
just you know, I'm sure he's got health insurance he
could have had. You know, there'd be ways that he
could have just hidden away, but he just kept going
through a power of work and right through that stuff.
(27:12):
I reckon what Glane did through that stuff kind of
blows my mind. Ye, Like it must have been just
having the pain of it, having not just the pain,
but the awkwardness and never feeling comfortable, looking really different.
And it's one thing for people that know him, it's
another people that for people that didn't know him. You know,
(27:32):
he's dropping kids off at school, doing all that that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
A couple of people made Joe I was in a
meeting once and those people made jokes because he was
wearing a beanie and you know when he had the
he had and he had these it looked like he
had horns growing out of it. And this person made
a joke about it. He goes, nah, just growing and
he whipped off his beani and he's like, I'm just
crying breasts out the top of my head. And this
person did not know what to do. Yeah, it was
(27:56):
like and he did another thing. Sorry, I've just had
I've said something something about answer, and the person was
just they made a joke, and they went from thinking
that they had made a joke and that they were
great to feeling griends so quickly. But it was but
he did it in a really funny way. Yeah, but
it was. It's great to watch.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Glane wasn't afraid to weaponize. It was good weaponized. I
feel bad because me and Gelane were him seeing this
thing in Queenstown and and someone sort of he was
wearing a beanie and I didn't realize how sensitive he
was about it, because not that he was sensitive about it,
but I didn't realize there was a sort of a boundary.
(28:38):
And and and we were on stage and someone was
asking something and I said, oh, well, Gelane's got these
terrible scars, and I you know, I thought we could
talk about it. And I said, oh, should show them
your scars, Glane, and he was like, I'm not showing
anyone because it was because it wasn't because and I
know I understand now that what it was was it's
not for me. It was for him to show them.
(29:00):
It's not for me to make him show them or something.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
I got that wrong. But also I think there's sometimes
you know what it's like like in certain moments of
your life, you feel more vulnerable than other moments, Like
there are sometimes when you can totally deal with the job, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and then there's some days when you can't deal with
the job. Understand, that's why you've got to let it
to be on their terms. Yeah, And you never know
what the person's going through, how the person's state is,
or what they've had to deal with in the moments
(29:25):
before that. You know, you might have just been through
three or four things that may have been really really
full on. You might be at a low ebb and
all of a sudden someone comes through with a joke
and you're not quite you don't have the strength at
that moment to deal with it, and then sometimes you
might totally have the strength to deal with it. But
it's all my experience. It will depend on what's happened
leading into that moment.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, yeah, I kind of thought us calling Gulane Tit's
lane was like a way to go. We know, we
don't care. Yeah, you're still just the same guy that's
ripped the shit out of us, and we rip the
shit out of each other. And I knew that you
not expect the same treatment, you know.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, sometimes sometimes you're up for the gag and sometimes
you're not. It's one of those weird things. Well, it's
a bit different when you're in die situation, you know,
Oh totally and lanes of that matter as well. I
found both those guys. I find it very impressive. I
mean I was impressed by those guys anyway before all
that happened, but the way that they both have dealt
with that, Yeah, kind of different situations, but I find
(30:28):
it inspiring. Yeah, and gives great context to any to
life basically.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah, oh yeah, You've got to enjoy try and enjoy
the times you've got because wherever you are, it's probably
only going to get worse. Things, things tend towards getting worse,
and horrific stuff could happen at any time, and then
you could sit back and go, well, jeez, I wasn't God.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I had a good and didn't I failed to enjoy it?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, I mean Jimmy Carr said something really interesting the
other day. He goes, talk to anyone think yourself thirty
years from now, and ask that person what would you
give to be back where you are now? And there's
not a single person that wouldn't go I would go back. Yeah,
you know, because because what you have now is better
than what you haven't. Well, you know, like how you
(31:15):
are now is better than it will be in thirty years.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah. That's such an interesting idea that it's so much
that you could also translate into what's going on New Zealand.
But I don't reckon you get to that point till
you're in the middle age. Yeah, because when you're mashes age,
you don't want to go back to being twelve. Yeah,
that's true, when he'd be going back to being dead.
When you're twenty four, you don't want to go back
to seven.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yeah, No, that that's true. And and and also you'd say,
if you've had kids in the middle, you wouldn't want
to go back to not have the kid. No.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, So it doesn't quite work. It kind of works
when you when you're going forward to seventy or eighty,
I reckon, there's a moment I think there's an age,
and I reckon, I'm going to say it's forty three. Yeah,
we're all of forty five, and all of a sudden,
you would go to go back twenty years. You know,
that'd be quite a good time, Whereas before that you're like, no,
I'd rather not go back to those times.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
Because you can't get to pubsn and you can't make
love to the partner of your choice.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
No, yeah. Or I can't play gay chicken with meshes
with LORR. No, you can'try. You can't. That's right.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
I don't think you can play gay chicken anyway.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
No, you can't. That's what I think. You man, what
about if he's dressed in cricket gear with a.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Mustache, Well, he's a she's genderizing or Take four will
take a lot more than a mustache and cricket gear
for Lauren to not be Lauren and a.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Helmet and a helmet.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
What if Lauren slash Laurie walks in in the next
five minutes and says, today, I'm identifying as a man.
Are we going to question that in twenty twenty four?
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I'm not. I am. I think I think I was
impression I was dating a woman. Ye mess has got
skin in the game. Ever, I'm going to start asking questions.
She can do whatever she wants, obviously, but for me,
my interests are a little bit different. If she's decided
today that she's going to be a man, and she's
allowed to do that of course, anyway, all right, all right,
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