June 23, 2024 • 29 mins
Today on the Daily Bespoke, The boys discuss the importance of risk-taking, and Matt unleashes a creamy load into his arse...
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (01:08):
Bizes, welcome all, Ye be spoky Doki So the Matt
and Jerry Daily Bespoke Podcast for the twenty fourth of June,
the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Apologies about the last podcast. Today's podcasts will not slip
into into that sort of blue material that we we
slipped into on Friday. Oh yeah, we deleted that, haven't we?
That podcast? Does that still up or is it Friday? Yeah? No,
that's up. Can we strike that from the record. Well,
my thing is with deleting. And look, I've said this
(01:52):
to James mconey a number of times on the Agenda podcast,
just why don't you edit as you go, like, use
your edit as you go to your You have the ability,
you always have the ability not to say something, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
You're a professional, Jerry, You've got what twenty five years
of experience. You understand this better than anyone. Like what
I just don't understand, Jerry as well, is as you know,
you were being yourself on that episode. I think what
you're asking here is people to maybe not actually know
you as a person. And now I think maybe the
audience feel closer to you after that episode. They understand
who you are as a person, how you operate, and
the things you like to say behind closed doors, and
(02:27):
now it's out there, and you know what, there's just
tough titties.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Mate, Hey, Jerry.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
One thing that we went recording speaking of tough titties
is you and me, Jeremy.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
The other day.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I'm not sure we were walking from we've been somewhere. Correct,
where do we mean? I think we've been dressed as
Vikings for some reason, you and me, we've been dressed
as vikings. Mesh was dressed as a bird. I was
also a Viking. You just as a bird. You were
not a Viking.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
The hid garment was confusing for you. I understand that
it was kind of framed me in a slightly sexual light.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, anyway, I know, I don't mean like a bird
asn't a female. I mean you actually look like a bird.
You look like a bird. Did you think he was
a bird like a female or a birdbird?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
No, I thought like he looked like a bird, bird
like a birdbird.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Well, where were my wings? No?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You didn't.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Well we didn't have wings, but not all birds have wings?
Like more, where are the tough titties, No, the tough
to what are the tough titties? Where are the safe tea?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Anyway? Once we were leaving. We were leaving there, me
and Jeremy walked back to to up up this way
from where we were. We're in some kind of medieval
building and we're walking up and we were looking at
all the road cones and we were walking through this
sort of walkway with protection, and we had that chat. You, Jerry,
had a good chat about risk and where we were
(03:36):
talking about how potentially the reason why this country seems
to be in a bit of a malaise at the moment,
and everyone seems to be feeling a bit directionless is
because we've decided that safety is the most important thing,
that everything should be safe, and safe is a virtue.
And the end result of that is that everywhere you go,
(03:57):
there's twenty five trillion road cone. Everywhere you go, you
seem to be restricted. There's a new rule, there's a
rule in front of you. So if you lean one
hundred percent into safety over risk, then you are constantly
being restricted in what you're doing. And I think that
brings into a malaise. And so I just thought when
we were walking along there, Jerry, there was a quote
(04:18):
from Frederic Nietzchei, the great philosopher, that I couldn't remember
at the time, so I've looked it up. Are you
ready to hear it? Please? For believe me. The secret
of harvesting from existence the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest
enjoyment is to live dangerously. Build your cities and the
slopes of Vesuvius, Send your ships into uncharted seas, live
(04:38):
at war with your peers and yourselves. Be robbers and conquerors.
As long as you cannot be rulers and possessors, you
seekers of knowledge. Soon the age we passed when you
could be content to live hidden in the forest like deer.
At long last, the search for knowledge will reach out
for its due. It will want to rule and possess,
and you with it. So what Natree's saying, he's basically saying,
(05:03):
and he's been killed him to just shorten it down
a bit. He's saying it a bit virtually. It's something
called the gay science. That excuse me, the book, the
book it's in The gay science loves that about what
is that is that? Man on man? Back in the day,
the word gay actually didn't mean gay happy, I mean happy.
So the gay science, like you've wrapped your lips around
(05:26):
a gay time haven't you a gay time? Multiple golden
gay time?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
The golden gay.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Used to mean something else, but what what Nietzsche's really
saying there is an ess. You embrace an issue, emplaced,
embrace risk. Then you fall into a horrible malaise, and
then risk will find you. Basically so, danger will find
you the more you try and hide from danger. Right,
it will find you to find you, but it's in
a weird form that you're not quite expecting. And so
now we live in a society where like say, for example,
(05:55):
recently they lowered the speed limit to thirty kilometers an
hour on the back and a bunch of places on
the back of people saying the risk safety, safety, safety, safety, safety,
But they don't understand that the malaise that you bring
on people by restricting them to thirty kilometers an hour
across the country and do different places every day, it
makes people less satisfied with their life and feel less
(06:18):
auto autonomy, and as a result, will achieve less great
things because all great things are achieved with risk. Right, nothing,
nothing great is achieved by safety. No safety, You're just
slowly making your world smaller and smaller and removing more
and more passion more and more entrepreneurial attitudes, and you
(06:41):
slowly your society becomes basically slips into a malaise because
when people are happiest when they risk something and they
pull it off. Yeah, risk, because there's because there's there's
a huge amount of risk. I mean, like even like
on a basic level speaking public speaking right for example,
I mean that feels unsafe.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
That the whole thing about like you know what, Bundy
jumping and stuff. It's like risk, it's the biggest is
because you think that you're about to die.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah. And you were talking the other day about the
Apache Indians. Was it the Commentsche or the Apache? It
was the it was the Lakota Coda Indians Coda Indians
when they were offered security by the American government. American government,
You're like, nah, but we really like warring and we
like running around scalping people. We love it.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
They actually said they enjoyed, they enjoyed the fun of
killing people. And I know you might think, well that
sounds a bit grim, but they said that's all part
of life.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Life. Life is war, war is life doing weird things
like scalping. They were really into that.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
And actually it was the fourteen year olds and the
kids who hadn't experienced that stuff yet who were the
most opposed to it, because the oldies were like, oh, yeah,
we've done all that. Yeah, we're quite happy to sit
around and doing.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And whilst I'm not suggesting everyone gets on hoo back
and rides around scalping people, I mean that might be
too much risk as far as I'm concerned, but I
think people should to be happy. I think you've got
to embrace risk, like say, for example, Mashi, yes you
were a little wounder from South Canterbury.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yep, that's right North No, North Canby.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Sorry sorry that's from South Canbiya. Yeah, I get confused.
And you embrace risk in your life.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I suppose I did. I hadn't really thought about it
in that way before.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
But rolling and broadcasting, still going, putting yourself out there,
you know, and you've ended up on this fucking excellent
radio show, you.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Know, like you have to you have to.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
You know, like you moving to another city, moving out
from your parents' house. All all these kind of things
in life are when you feel the most alive, Like
your first flat, you know, when you were suddenly taking
on the risk of paying your own rent and the
risk of of you know, supporting yourself and feeding yourself.
That's when you feel most alive.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Right, the satisfaction of what happens to someone when they
have taken a risk and then I mean golf for
bid they actually, I don't know, it pays off. Yeah,
it's one of the best feelings that you'll have as
a human. What's happened in the past traditionally around societies
that have been relatively oppressed, with a lot of rules
coming in and then the society itself turning into a
(09:20):
bit of a middle ais. It tends to not set
you up for success, does it.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, because you're celebrating people doing less rather than doing more.
That's what you're doing. I mean, look at rugby union
for example. Every time they bring a new rule into
rugby union, does it make it better?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
No? No, is the answer to their question.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
So we're in a weird situation where for the first
time in history, the people who are younger aren't the
ones making who are keen to make any risks. Normally,
what happens as young people turn up, the youth turn up,
and the oldies have been through all of the stuff.
The same thing that happened to Lakota Indians. So the
oldies have been through stuff and that they've learned from
their experience and they don't risk much because they've got
(10:01):
a whole lot of things. They're generally more conservative of
time's gone on and normally what you go as the
young ones pushing back against the crazy roles of the
of what you've got and wanting to risk things a
bit more.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Now, we're actually.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Because I think younger people have been taught in a
much more safety conscious way that that you've got young
people there more conservative than they've ever been.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, they're way more risk averse than the older people.
It's weird.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
You'd have to say, it's the first time.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's x of the like I read this thing about
how gene x are considered psychos now because of our
embracement of risk.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
We love it. You'd have to say a lot of
the more modern political ideas that are coming up, especially
in New Zealander, almost more closely related to those of
of what you guys are saying that the words left
me the sea word conservatives, that they're more aligned to
the conservative ideas of one hundred years ago or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Isn't it.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, and they think that they're not conservative. They think
they're railing against people, but actually what they're trying to
do is rain in other people. The idea is that scary, right, Well, well,
I guess it's something to do with like you know
that there's this scrape book that Jonathan Hydroy called The
Coddling of America, and he puts it back to you.
You're watching you guys are watching Eric at the moment.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Actually just did start that over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So around that area in the late seventies early eighties
in America, they started printing the pictures of the kids
that had gone missing on milk cartons, and so every
morning people got up and saw a missing kid and
then they went, shit, my kid could get kidnapped. Even
though kids weren't really getting kidnapped. It's mainly dad, who
(11:44):
was supposed to take them, you know, like in a
divorce sentiment, was taking them off them. So we've had
a society since then people have started really really protecting
their kids. So kids have been more moody, coddled and
looked after than ever, and increasing generations driving them to
school and all that kind of stuff, so kids aren't
used to risk, They don't grow up with risk. And
(12:04):
in his argument Jonathan Hight is that seeing your kids
from the youngest age down to the dairy or they
call them shops to buy stuff on their own as
soon as you can, you want them out crossing roads
by themselves. And then you make kids that are that
are fully rounded, they're competent. Do you want your kid
to be safe or competent because you can't look after
(12:26):
them all the time, You're not going to be with
them forever.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I went to a pub to watch the Blues game
over the weekend. Oh yes, this conversation just made me
think of something. There was a son there, a young
boy who was probably about eleven at this pub, and
he was there with his old man and his mum.
And his old man and his mum were having a
great time. They were really getting stuck into their work.
And I accidentally swore and I apologized and I said
sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
And then the father said something very interesting to me.
He may or may not have been a listener to
the show, but he said, mate, the reason I've brought
my son out to things like this so he can
experience all different kinds of things. Yeah, he's got if
he hears an F bomb, he hears an F bomb
and on the way home we say, yeah, that's a
bad thing to say. And and that's how it goes.
And the reason that we brought him along here is
if look, if we see someone on the way home,
(13:11):
on the walk home, weinging in the in the in
the curb there, it's a lovely thing for him to
have learned that. Maybe that's not a great thing to do,
so don't worry about it. Well everyone he was about
eleven bomb. No, but this is the thing that you
worry about, you know. And then it was just it
was really refreshing.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
One thing I did, and I'm not saying I'm a
great parent, but one thing I did was with my
kids is I always made them pay the bill at restaurants.
Ah so at the end of the night, how much
money they're making, well with my credit card, but actually
going up and having to work out the bill, remember
what was on, discuss it with the person at the
end of the night, with the pub. So they had
to deal with adults all the time. That is, because
(13:47):
you couldn't be build of getting it from the table.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
It was.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
There was a little bit of that as well. But
because I grew up kind of rually, I used to
be quite scared of shopkeepers. I have the same thing
and I still have it to this day. Still, it's
such a strange thing to be scared of. Yeah, well
that's because you grew up in suburb of Auckland. But
we didn't really experience that a lot growing up. Like
my parents probably took me out to a restaurant once
every five years or something like. We didn't really go places,
(14:13):
so it was quite a weird. Just dealing with people
behind counters was freaking weird for me. I didn't really
know what to do, and so I was determined with
my kids that they were not going to be scared.
As a result, my son Barry is just off talking
to the bloody behind the counter and hanging out with people,
and he couldn't give a less of a shit about anything,
like in fact, at school camping and it got up
(14:35):
into a ten minute stand up comedy routine. He's totally
not scared of of talking in front of people, all
that kind of stuff. I was petrified off And.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
On a slightly more positive note of what we've been
talking about, I'm sure that is what's going to happen
is what's going to happen in about twenty years from now.
I hope there's going to be a new shift towards
this kind of creativity so quiet for so long.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, yeah, well you take like political statements used to
be you would risk a lot, you'd go out and
you know, risk a lot. But now a lot of
political statements are just liking something on Instagram. Hard.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yeah, it's quite it's quite buzzy.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Though.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Should we take a break? What are you going to
tease it? After the break?
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Take a break and we'll come back with Mash's description
of his downstairs. So, Mash, you promised that you were
going to describe your downstairs.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
This is interesting from you, Jeremy, because yesterday, I mean
on Friday, you went through just an emotional problem because
of the reputational loss that you could have experienced for
the content of that pod on Friday, right, Yeah, and
then and then do you think maybe you're your own
worst me?
Speaker 6 (15:45):
And answer that question simply, is I've always sort of
on my own worst enemy. I would like to know
anybody who's not their own worst enemy.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
But wouldn't you say that if we keep to the
topic of risk before we risked a lot and as
a result that prodcasts and fronts very popular. Yeah, and
it moved forward because because we you rist a lot
with you talking about long haul Verge. I will say this.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I got into the car with my girlfriend on Sunday.
She was listening to that point. Oh God, and I
think you should be concerned by the way, oh God, disgusting.
But that's just an a side point.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
You were building a house on the slopes of Mount
Vesuvius with that pot to risking things. Well, I said
delete it. You just upset that that that that wish
wasn't followed through with what you want to road cone
off that podcast? You know, is that what you want
to do? Road off that podcast? Make the rules for everybody?
Speaker 6 (16:34):
I mean, I think everyone was speaking a little freely
about the issues around you know, LHV and and all
that sort of stuff, and around also five Day Dog Verge,
which was the most concerning thing I seem to remember.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Just having a look at the numbers here, only twenty
thousand people have heard that.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So yeah, okay, take it down, so.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
We're all good there.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
No one heard that one, Yeah, twenty.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Thousand, But I mean it is an interesting thing, really, Jeremy,
because you have some high fences in your life, don't you.
You've got like the fences of a deer farmer, and
that there doesn't seem to be anyone watching seven sharp.
It seems to be drifting over, climbing over the fence
and finding that you're talking about l h V, you know,
(17:19):
in the on a podcast in the morning, and then
you're talking about I mean, what was on seven sharp
on Friday night?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
You just climb that deer fence and seven sharp on
the other side of it.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
We talked. I think we talked about cabbage and how
versatile it is as a vegetable. I mean it is.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
It's a very good point.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Stir fright, Coltlaw and the cabbage is good. I mean, remember,
I can never remember.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Day to day what we did on seven quite content.
Maybe we talk about cabbage on the Shadowmorrow.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, So I think I think it's good that you
embraced risk on the met and Jerry pod. I mean
we we me and me and Merson brute and embrace
a lot of us being on a pod with you,
because it's always you that takes it downstairs.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
I stick my cock on the line regularly here on
this show. That's the saying, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Speaking of what you You promised that you're going to
describe your downstairs before them was a good start.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Sorrying a cock on the line, I mean short, whide
like a child, Not like like a child. I'd say
a little bit longer. Look, if I was to describe
my downstairs and five six words or this, I'd go
like a chod just a tiny bit longer, a long show,
just over that line, just a little bit over the
(18:26):
line of child.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I mean, this is the age old question, isn't it?
Is it would you like to be abnormally wide or
abnormally long?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
You're right, that is the hey man, when you came
in this morning. Actually, this is a good time to
bring this up speaking about this.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Well, but not you don't want to, like you don't
want a pencil.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
At least you can know. But you can control the
end of it, right, you can control how far it's going.
And it's just like you can control the end of mine.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Does you control.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Control how far it's going and and how far it's
not going?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I see what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah, but you cannot control the width ofm.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Can I also just say I've never had Can we
steer away from like we were talking about female down
seas long Friday? Can we steer away from I know
that you you were ten to focus on your downsairs mesh,
but can we just steer away from it?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
No? I'm just confused about you guys talking about deep.
I've never really decided how far in it goes. It's
just kind of either in or out. I mean, how
long are you going to run or out?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Mate?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
This morning you came into the studio and you see
this morning, you now know what it feels like to
have a load unleash in my asshole.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Oh Jesus, I thought that was an offair chat.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Was that an offair chat? Because that can be deleted?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
What is going on there?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Because this is a good time to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
This is the downstairs. I was just asking about the
load that was unleashed in your aus this morning.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Oh yeah, so I experienced a So what happened was
a cream? How are you going to describe this? I'm
going to do it like the herald word, which which
gives you no information but leads you down Bury the
lead Bury the lee. Click back, what's the headline? Enjoyed
(20:00):
radio host has load unleashed. I enjoyed. I understand I
enjoyed a creamy white load being.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Unleashed.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
In my aus, I can click on that Man Heath
enjoys creamy white load pre radio show. So if this
was a herold article, that would be at the start,
and then you wouldn't find out till the very end
that it was hemroid cream and that I was. You
put the thing and then you squeeze because I've got
roids at the moment.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
That's a shame.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Okay, well that clears that up.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
We just never really got to the bottom of that
story when you come in at you know, before six
o'clock and say I've had a cream white load, and.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
All the way to work, I was trying to think
how I was going to bury the leap when I
told you guys that story when I walked into the
studio and you did it, well, yeah, I will say that.
And now I finally understand why people enjoy this a challenge.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
How many people can we lose? How many people can
we walk down this road? How many people can we
lead down this road before they finally realize it's a
cult second thing, and tenter and and go again.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Speaking of a cold sack, and can we go back again?
I'd like to share another quote from Frederic Niatsci please
from eighteen eighty six and Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil
Prelude to a Philosophy of the Future. It says he
who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby
become a monster. And if you gaze for long until
an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
All right, Okay, there's a couple of jokes in there
that I'm going to stay well clear of.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Okay, Jerry, about that, yep. So what are you doing now?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Jerry?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Over there, You're gazing into the abyss of your smartphone.
I'm not, actually, what are you doing? You are, mate,
you are I'm not look at you.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I've deleted. I've deleted my social media thing. Okay, I'm
just seeing if it was deleted or not. And it's
still deleted. So soothing. Even though Nietzschi wrote that in
eighteen eighty six, you could not have a quote that
is more accurate around what's happening with smartphones. So when
Frederick there wrote, so who's the monster, Well, there's the
monsters in there. He who fights with monsters? So people
(21:59):
battling on social media with monsters and dealing with the
monsters of the endless like if you He obviously wasn't
thinking about it in this ternance, but he said, if
the more time you spend with with monsters, then you
may well become a monster. I've talked about this with
back of the Why It Must Be Television, our TV show.
A lot of people we were started taking the piss
out of Bogans by the end of it because we
(22:20):
went to Bogenheart Bogan Park High School, so we were
called Bogans by everyone in the city. Pretty soon, a
lot of the people that were making jokes about being
Bogans became Bogans and are still Bogans to this day
because they battled with monsters and they became Bogans. Yeah, okayah.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
And then what was the part about steering into a
gazs abyss.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Cream up yours? If you put cream up your ass,
the cream gazes back at you.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Okay, So what are you saying is that you put
that cream out us and soon you're going to be
looking to put other cream up with your ass.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
If you gaze for long into the abyss, the abys
gaze is also into you. So what's that saying is
if you're just staring into nothingness, then nothingness becomes you.
And so the self owner is a cross between battling
with monsters and you'll become a monster and gazing to
the byss and and the biss gazes back into your soul.
(23:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, interesting, isn't it? It is interesting? Yeah,
which is a universal truth, isn't it in terms of humanity? Yeah?
But I mean that's why I think that idea of
it being a black mirror.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Is an interesting is such a great term because you
just see yourself back into it.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yep. Yeah, got the worst part of yourself. But what
I'd say to Nietzsche, I'd say, Nietzsche, didn't you say before?
Speaker 4 (23:30):
It?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Didn't Nietzsche say before that we should embrace risk and
we should build our houses on the sides of volcanoes
just to feel alive? That is that risk is risk?
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Actually looking you're risking your own mental health by looking
at social media all the time.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yes, yes, I guess, I guess as all risk physically, No,
because I mean, no one would say that all risk
was good because like I could, like you could say, oh,
you're going to feel it. You do do feel alive
if you stick your dick in a blender. I mean
you do feel alive. Point don't. But you'd say that
that wouldn't be sensible risk. I mean it's not about
all risk, is it.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
No, there's something about physics something it's really in the physical.
It has to do with kind of the physical, not
so much the mental. I mean, yeah, I think embracing
risk like sometimes taking the leap of maybe quitting your
job and starting something new, or yeah, stepping outside of
your comfort zone. Yeah, but that can be physical as
(24:25):
well as mental.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah. I guess. Also what it's saying is like if
a so society tends towards safety completely, then there's a
huge amount of risk in that. Like say, everyone is
diminished by the traffic control around Edenpark before a game,
everyone that is involved, and that has been diminished as
a human being because you've been infantalized, you've been turned
into a child, you've been said that you all of
a sudden, because you're going to this game, you can't
(24:47):
cross a road that you can't walk down the pavement.
That you can't sort out your own transport, in your
own system, you have been belittled by your society. And
sometimes that's what societies do. If they say that you
can't drive car faster than thirty kilometers, now they're belittling you.
They're saying that you're incompetent. That's basically their message from
your society is that you're incompetent. Whereas a better society
(25:09):
would be embrace people's abilities and assume naturally that people
are capable of looking after themselves. And when you do that,
people tend to succeed. I mean, look at six o'clock
closing in New Zealand. We assumed that humans New Zealanders
couldn't drink after six o'clock and be trusted, and so
people became infants, and they behave like infants by just
(25:31):
getting absolutely fucking steaming between five and six, you know.
So that's that's infant. That's turning people into infants. Whereas
you I think you need to punish people when they
behave like infants, but you need to assume that people
and give people every opportunity in life to show their
worth and their metal to the society they live in.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
Okay, yep, okay, right, okay, all right, I agree, so okay, okay,
settle down, yeah, all right down, okay, calm down, and.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
A blender now, yeah, no, no, no, that's what I
feel like doing after that is you've excited me, mate,
I seeds to be some risk. I'm sticking my cock
and a blender.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Sensible risk.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Better be a sort of a but it sounds like
how you're describing it. Better be a bloody deep blender, shallow.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
My tongue and a blended. Impressed a girl once and
cut my tongue.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I'm oh, that's a you thing to do.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I didn't impress her at all, No, it was zero
impressed there impression?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
How's she going? Now?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Have you heard from her?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
We're not longer to get Maybe if I stick cock
and a blender, should be interested.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
See. Yeah, that's not the kind of risk I'm talking
about sticking your cock and a blender. The top of
risk I'm talking about is inserting something long and hard
into your anus and squeezing. It's so a nice, a
nice liquid, nice creamy liquid comes out.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
How bad are hemorrhoids?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Though?
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Have you guys ever had to bear the doctor of hemorrhoids.
Oh god, it's pretty it's pretty awful.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I have yeah, same, same, I've got hemorrhoids right now.
What are hemorrhoids?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
They pine cones, No, but they can be caused by
trying to force out a pine coney, maybe get.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Them from sitting on a cold concrete. And then the
doctor with the Southeast Asian accents is to you, do
you have a partner? And she says woman, man, and
looks at me like you know, And I did not
have a partner at all. I sat on some cold
concrete and then I did a lot of exercise, so
she thought it was sexual damage.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
She's sexual year.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah, you've got I do like gapes as much as yours.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
And I went out and dance to Ricky Marshall.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
If you gaze into the abyss of ruders downstairs, risen
ridden cavity, the abyscuaz is also into you.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Do you have a partner?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
On that note, man, do you have a partner, because
now it's not the time to get one, because if
they see this, it's not going to be good.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
So you have that, dude, you feel a bit about
that then you feel about the Friday.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Wee, No, I feel worse. I've just doubled down. Yep,
I think that's down on my feelings.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I think this one's better than the Friday one, probably
because it's sort of got ears to being because I
sort of brought ears to it by a couple of
quotes from eighteen eighty six, you know what I mean.
So it's at least got the sort of feel that
it's not that it has something worthwhile. Okay, all right then, okay,
So I'd love to hear your feedback on on on
Today's pot if you want more content like this.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
How we've got the music jury already a headache? You remember,
we need the podcast jury. Maybe we need preps to
whip up some imaging for the podcast jury. It's a
jury of ten members.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, and we give out some hemorrhoid cream to people
that vote in it.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yes, that's right, and then people can we can put
the I don't know a few episodes to the jury, yeah,
and they can let us know how they were and heave. Okay,
work any right, okay.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Because I think people want more of that, more that
had on Friday, and more of this. Okay, that's my theory.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
All right, Okay, you're right.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Ruder sounds weird with no pop sock. I've got a
mic with no pop sock sounds weird.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I think it sounds quite nice. M thank you. Yeah,
I think raw dogging it all right? Do you remer?
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Okay, yeah, I'm just writing that writing is what we're
going to say about this podcast in terms of our
tease of it.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I was just giving. Plus, why does Matt need to
put cream down? There?
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Is it because of the gay science?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
The gay I'm going to go and read gay science.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Now, the gay science.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
It's not funny if I search up gay science. Is
it going to be the first thing that comes up.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I'm on the work.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I'll tell you what I'll bring you in. I'll bring
you in the history of philosophy, which is this, this,
this two tome, this huge time. I've got it home
and the explanation of Nietzsche is actually better than going
to the raw, raw source material.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Okay, help it look forward to that.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Get a lot of time for Nietzsche.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
All right?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Then ye show that up your ass. Okay, you show
that up your ars. Mash, shove it up. Cream there,
squeeze it
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Mate, it feels good.
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Speaker 3 (01:08):
Bizes, welcome all, Ye be spoky Doki So the Matt
and Jerry Daily Bespoke Podcast for the twenty fourth of June,
the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Apologies about the last podcast. Today's podcasts will not slip
into into that sort of blue material that we we
slipped into on Friday. Oh yeah, we deleted that, haven't we?
That podcast? Does that still up or is it Friday? Yeah? No,
that's up. Can we strike that from the record. Well,
my thing is with deleting. And look, I've said this
(01:52):
to James mconey a number of times on the Agenda podcast,
just why don't you edit as you go, like, use
your edit as you go to your You have the ability,
you always have the ability not to say something, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
You're a professional, Jerry, You've got what twenty five years
of experience. You understand this better than anyone. Like what
I just don't understand, Jerry as well, is as you know,
you were being yourself on that episode. I think what
you're asking here is people to maybe not actually know
you as a person. And now I think maybe the
audience feel closer to you after that episode. They understand
who you are as a person, how you operate, and
the things you like to say behind closed doors, and
(02:27):
now it's out there, and you know what, there's just
tough titties.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Mate, Hey, Jerry.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
One thing that we went recording speaking of tough titties
is you and me, Jeremy.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
The other day.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I'm not sure we were walking from we've been somewhere. Correct,
where do we mean? I think we've been dressed as
Vikings for some reason, you and me, we've been dressed
as vikings. Mesh was dressed as a bird. I was
also a Viking. You just as a bird. You were
not a Viking.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
The hid garment was confusing for you. I understand that
it was kind of framed me in a slightly sexual light.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, anyway, I know, I don't mean like a bird
asn't a female. I mean you actually look like a bird.
You look like a bird. Did you think he was
a bird like a female or a birdbird?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
No, I thought like he looked like a bird, bird
like a birdbird.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Well, where were my wings? No?
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You didn't.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Well we didn't have wings, but not all birds have wings?
Like more, where are the tough titties, No, the tough
to what are the tough titties? Where are the safe tea?
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Anyway? Once we were leaving. We were leaving there, me
and Jeremy walked back to to up up this way
from where we were. We're in some kind of medieval
building and we're walking up and we were looking at
all the road cones and we were walking through this
sort of walkway with protection, and we had that chat. You, Jerry,
had a good chat about risk and where we were
(03:36):
talking about how potentially the reason why this country seems
to be in a bit of a malaise at the moment,
and everyone seems to be feeling a bit directionless is
because we've decided that safety is the most important thing,
that everything should be safe, and safe is a virtue.
And the end result of that is that everywhere you go,
(03:57):
there's twenty five trillion road cone. Everywhere you go, you
seem to be restricted. There's a new rule, there's a
rule in front of you. So if you lean one
hundred percent into safety over risk, then you are constantly
being restricted in what you're doing. And I think that
brings into a malaise. And so I just thought when
we were walking along there, Jerry, there was a quote
(04:18):
from Frederic Nietzchei, the great philosopher, that I couldn't remember
at the time, so I've looked it up. Are you
ready to hear it? Please? For believe me. The secret
of harvesting from existence the greatest fruitfulness and the greatest
enjoyment is to live dangerously. Build your cities and the
slopes of Vesuvius, Send your ships into uncharted seas, live
(04:38):
at war with your peers and yourselves. Be robbers and conquerors.
As long as you cannot be rulers and possessors, you
seekers of knowledge. Soon the age we passed when you
could be content to live hidden in the forest like deer.
At long last, the search for knowledge will reach out
for its due. It will want to rule and possess,
and you with it. So what Natree's saying, he's basically saying,
(05:03):
and he's been killed him to just shorten it down
a bit. He's saying it a bit virtually. It's something
called the gay science. That excuse me, the book, the
book it's in The gay science loves that about what
is that is that? Man on man? Back in the day,
the word gay actually didn't mean gay happy, I mean happy.
So the gay science, like you've wrapped your lips around
(05:26):
a gay time haven't you a gay time? Multiple golden
gay time?
Speaker 4 (05:31):
The golden gay.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Used to mean something else, but what what Nietzsche's really
saying there is an ess. You embrace an issue, emplaced,
embrace risk. Then you fall into a horrible malaise, and
then risk will find you. Basically so, danger will find
you the more you try and hide from danger. Right,
it will find you to find you, but it's in
a weird form that you're not quite expecting. And so
now we live in a society where like say, for example,
(05:55):
recently they lowered the speed limit to thirty kilometers an
hour on the back and a bunch of places on
the back of people saying the risk safety, safety, safety, safety, safety,
But they don't understand that the malaise that you bring
on people by restricting them to thirty kilometers an hour
across the country and do different places every day, it
makes people less satisfied with their life and feel less
(06:18):
auto autonomy, and as a result, will achieve less great
things because all great things are achieved with risk. Right, nothing,
nothing great is achieved by safety. No safety, You're just
slowly making your world smaller and smaller and removing more
and more passion more and more entrepreneurial attitudes, and you
(06:41):
slowly your society becomes basically slips into a malaise because
when people are happiest when they risk something and they
pull it off. Yeah, risk, because there's because there's there's
a huge amount of risk. I mean, like even like
on a basic level speaking public speaking right for example,
I mean that feels unsafe.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
That the whole thing about like you know what, Bundy
jumping and stuff. It's like risk, it's the biggest is
because you think that you're about to die.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah. And you were talking the other day about the
Apache Indians. Was it the Commentsche or the Apache? It
was the it was the Lakota Coda Indians Coda Indians
when they were offered security by the American government. American government,
You're like, nah, but we really like warring and we
like running around scalping people. We love it.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
They actually said they enjoyed, they enjoyed the fun of
killing people. And I know you might think, well that
sounds a bit grim, but they said that's all part
of life.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Life. Life is war, war is life doing weird things
like scalping. They were really into that.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
And actually it was the fourteen year olds and the
kids who hadn't experienced that stuff yet who were the
most opposed to it, because the oldies were like, oh, yeah,
we've done all that. Yeah, we're quite happy to sit
around and doing.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
And whilst I'm not suggesting everyone gets on hoo back
and rides around scalping people, I mean that might be
too much risk as far as I'm concerned, but I
think people should to be happy. I think you've got
to embrace risk, like say, for example, Mashi, yes you
were a little wounder from South Canterbury.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
Yep, that's right North No, North Canby.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Sorry sorry that's from South Canbiya. Yeah, I get confused.
And you embrace risk in your life.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I suppose I did. I hadn't really thought about it
in that way before.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
But rolling and broadcasting, still going, putting yourself out there,
you know, and you've ended up on this fucking excellent
radio show, you.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Know, like you have to you have to.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
You know, like you moving to another city, moving out
from your parents' house. All all these kind of things
in life are when you feel the most alive, Like
your first flat, you know, when you were suddenly taking
on the risk of paying your own rent and the
risk of of you know, supporting yourself and feeding yourself.
That's when you feel most alive.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Right, the satisfaction of what happens to someone when they
have taken a risk and then I mean golf for
bid they actually, I don't know, it pays off. Yeah,
it's one of the best feelings that you'll have as
a human. What's happened in the past traditionally around societies
that have been relatively oppressed, with a lot of rules
coming in and then the society itself turning into a
(09:20):
bit of a middle ais. It tends to not set
you up for success, does it.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, because you're celebrating people doing less rather than doing more.
That's what you're doing. I mean, look at rugby union
for example. Every time they bring a new rule into
rugby union, does it make it better?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
No? No, is the answer to their question.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
So we're in a weird situation where for the first
time in history, the people who are younger aren't the
ones making who are keen to make any risks. Normally,
what happens as young people turn up, the youth turn up,
and the oldies have been through all of the stuff.
The same thing that happened to Lakota Indians. So the
oldies have been through stuff and that they've learned from
their experience and they don't risk much because they've got
(10:01):
a whole lot of things. They're generally more conservative of
time's gone on and normally what you go as the
young ones pushing back against the crazy roles of the
of what you've got and wanting to risk things a
bit more.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Now, we're actually.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
Because I think younger people have been taught in a
much more safety conscious way that that you've got young
people there more conservative than they've ever been.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Yeah, they're way more risk averse than the older people.
It's weird.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
You'd have to say, it's the first time.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's x of the like I read this thing about
how gene x are considered psychos now because of our
embracement of risk.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
We love it. You'd have to say a lot of
the more modern political ideas that are coming up, especially
in New Zealander, almost more closely related to those of
of what you guys are saying that the words left
me the sea word conservatives, that they're more aligned to
the conservative ideas of one hundred years ago or whatever.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Isn't it.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, and they think that they're not conservative. They think
they're railing against people, but actually what they're trying to
do is rain in other people. The idea is that scary, right, Well, well,
I guess it's something to do with like you know
that there's this scrape book that Jonathan Hydroy called The
Coddling of America, and he puts it back to you.
You're watching you guys are watching Eric at the moment.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Actually just did start that over the weekend.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
So around that area in the late seventies early eighties
in America, they started printing the pictures of the kids
that had gone missing on milk cartons, and so every
morning people got up and saw a missing kid and
then they went, shit, my kid could get kidnapped. Even
though kids weren't really getting kidnapped. It's mainly dad, who
(11:44):
was supposed to take them, you know, like in a
divorce sentiment, was taking them off them. So we've had
a society since then people have started really really protecting
their kids. So kids have been more moody, coddled and
looked after than ever, and increasing generations driving them to
school and all that kind of stuff, so kids aren't
used to risk, They don't grow up with risk. And
(12:04):
in his argument Jonathan Hight is that seeing your kids
from the youngest age down to the dairy or they
call them shops to buy stuff on their own as
soon as you can, you want them out crossing roads
by themselves. And then you make kids that are that
are fully rounded, they're competent. Do you want your kid
to be safe or competent because you can't look after
(12:26):
them all the time, You're not going to be with
them forever.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I went to a pub to watch the Blues game
over the weekend. Oh yes, this conversation just made me
think of something. There was a son there, a young
boy who was probably about eleven at this pub, and
he was there with his old man and his mum.
And his old man and his mum were having a
great time. They were really getting stuck into their work.
And I accidentally swore and I apologized and I said
sorry about that.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
And then the father said something very interesting to me.
He may or may not have been a listener to
the show, but he said, mate, the reason I've brought
my son out to things like this so he can
experience all different kinds of things. Yeah, he's got if
he hears an F bomb, he hears an F bomb
and on the way home we say, yeah, that's a
bad thing to say. And and that's how it goes.
And the reason that we brought him along here is
if look, if we see someone on the way home,
(13:11):
on the walk home, weinging in the in the in
the curb there, it's a lovely thing for him to
have learned that. Maybe that's not a great thing to do,
so don't worry about it. Well everyone he was about
eleven bomb. No, but this is the thing that you
worry about, you know. And then it was just it
was really refreshing.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
One thing I did, and I'm not saying I'm a
great parent, but one thing I did was with my
kids is I always made them pay the bill at restaurants.
Ah so at the end of the night, how much
money they're making, well with my credit card, but actually
going up and having to work out the bill, remember
what was on, discuss it with the person at the
end of the night, with the pub. So they had
to deal with adults all the time. That is, because
(13:47):
you couldn't be build of getting it from the table.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
It was.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
There was a little bit of that as well. But
because I grew up kind of rually, I used to
be quite scared of shopkeepers. I have the same thing
and I still have it to this day. Still, it's
such a strange thing to be scared of. Yeah, well
that's because you grew up in suburb of Auckland. But
we didn't really experience that a lot growing up. Like
my parents probably took me out to a restaurant once
every five years or something like. We didn't really go places,
(14:13):
so it was quite a weird. Just dealing with people
behind counters was freaking weird for me. I didn't really
know what to do, and so I was determined with
my kids that they were not going to be scared.
As a result, my son Barry is just off talking
to the bloody behind the counter and hanging out with people,
and he couldn't give a less of a shit about anything,
like in fact, at school camping and it got up
(14:35):
into a ten minute stand up comedy routine. He's totally
not scared of of talking in front of people, all
that kind of stuff. I was petrified off And.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
On a slightly more positive note of what we've been
talking about, I'm sure that is what's going to happen
is what's going to happen in about twenty years from now.
I hope there's going to be a new shift towards
this kind of creativity so quiet for so long.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, yeah, well you take like political statements used to
be you would risk a lot, you'd go out and
you know, risk a lot. But now a lot of
political statements are just liking something on Instagram. Hard.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yeah, it's quite it's quite buzzy.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Though.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Should we take a break? What are you going to
tease it? After the break?
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Take a break and we'll come back with Mash's description
of his downstairs. So, Mash, you promised that you were
going to describe your downstairs.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
This is interesting from you, Jeremy, because yesterday, I mean
on Friday, you went through just an emotional problem because
of the reputational loss that you could have experienced for
the content of that pod on Friday, right, Yeah, and
then and then do you think maybe you're your own
worst me?
Speaker 6 (15:45):
And answer that question simply, is I've always sort of
on my own worst enemy. I would like to know
anybody who's not their own worst enemy.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
But wouldn't you say that if we keep to the
topic of risk before we risked a lot and as
a result that prodcasts and fronts very popular. Yeah, and
it moved forward because because we you rist a lot
with you talking about long haul Verge. I will say this.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
I got into the car with my girlfriend on Sunday.
She was listening to that point. Oh God, and I
think you should be concerned by the way, oh God, disgusting.
But that's just an a side point.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
You were building a house on the slopes of Mount
Vesuvius with that pot to risking things. Well, I said
delete it. You just upset that that that that wish
wasn't followed through with what you want to road cone
off that podcast? You know, is that what you want
to do? Road off that podcast? Make the rules for everybody?
Speaker 6 (16:34):
I mean, I think everyone was speaking a little freely
about the issues around you know, LHV and and all
that sort of stuff, and around also five Day Dog Verge,
which was the most concerning thing I seem to remember.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Just having a look at the numbers here, only twenty
thousand people have heard that.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
So yeah, okay, take it down, so.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
We're all good there.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
No one heard that one, Yeah, twenty.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Thousand, But I mean it is an interesting thing, really, Jeremy,
because you have some high fences in your life, don't you.
You've got like the fences of a deer farmer, and
that there doesn't seem to be anyone watching seven sharp.
It seems to be drifting over, climbing over the fence
and finding that you're talking about l h V, you know,
(17:19):
in the on a podcast in the morning, and then
you're talking about I mean, what was on seven sharp
on Friday night?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
You just climb that deer fence and seven sharp on
the other side of it.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
We talked. I think we talked about cabbage and how
versatile it is as a vegetable. I mean it is.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
It's a very good point.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Stir fright, Coltlaw and the cabbage is good. I mean, remember,
I can never remember.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Day to day what we did on seven quite content.
Maybe we talk about cabbage on the Shadowmorrow.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, So I think I think it's good that you
embraced risk on the met and Jerry pod. I mean
we we me and me and Merson brute and embrace
a lot of us being on a pod with you,
because it's always you that takes it downstairs.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
I stick my cock on the line regularly here on
this show. That's the saying, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Speaking of what you You promised that you're going to
describe your downstairs before them was a good start.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Sorrying a cock on the line, I mean short, whide
like a child, Not like like a child. I'd say
a little bit longer. Look, if I was to describe
my downstairs and five six words or this, I'd go
like a chod just a tiny bit longer, a long show,
just over that line, just a little bit over the
(18:26):
line of child.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I mean, this is the age old question, isn't it?
Is it would you like to be abnormally wide or
abnormally long?
Speaker 4 (18:36):
You're right, that is the hey man, when you came
in this morning. Actually, this is a good time to
bring this up speaking about this.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Well, but not you don't want to, like you don't
want a pencil.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
At least you can know. But you can control the
end of it, right, you can control how far it's going.
And it's just like you can control the end of mine.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Does you control.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Control how far it's going and and how far it's
not going?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
I see what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Yeah, but you cannot control the width ofm.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
Can I also just say I've never had Can we
steer away from like we were talking about female down
seas long Friday? Can we steer away from I know
that you you were ten to focus on your downsairs mesh,
but can we just steer away from it?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
No? I'm just confused about you guys talking about deep.
I've never really decided how far in it goes. It's
just kind of either in or out. I mean, how
long are you going to run or out?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Mate?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
This morning you came into the studio and you see
this morning, you now know what it feels like to
have a load unleash in my asshole.
Speaker 5 (19:27):
Oh Jesus, I thought that was an offair chat.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Was that an offair chat? Because that can be deleted?
Speaker 2 (19:32):
What is going on there?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Because this is a good time to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
This is the downstairs. I was just asking about the
load that was unleashed in your aus this morning.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Oh yeah, so I experienced a So what happened was
a cream? How are you going to describe this? I'm
going to do it like the herald word, which which
gives you no information but leads you down Bury the
lead Bury the lee. Click back, what's the headline? Enjoyed
(20:00):
radio host has load unleashed. I enjoyed. I understand I
enjoyed a creamy white load being.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Unleashed.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
In my aus, I can click on that Man Heath
enjoys creamy white load pre radio show. So if this
was a herold article, that would be at the start,
and then you wouldn't find out till the very end
that it was hemroid cream and that I was. You
put the thing and then you squeeze because I've got
roids at the moment.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
That's a shame.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Okay, well that clears that up.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
We just never really got to the bottom of that
story when you come in at you know, before six
o'clock and say I've had a cream white load, and.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
All the way to work, I was trying to think
how I was going to bury the leap when I
told you guys that story when I walked into the
studio and you did it, well, yeah, I will say that.
And now I finally understand why people enjoy this a challenge.
Speaker 6 (20:50):
How many people can we lose? How many people can
we walk down this road? How many people can we
lead down this road before they finally realize it's a
cult second thing, and tenter and and go again.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Speaking of a cold sack, and can we go back again?
I'd like to share another quote from Frederic Niatsci please
from eighteen eighty six and Nietzsche's Beyond Good and Evil
Prelude to a Philosophy of the Future. It says he
who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby
become a monster. And if you gaze for long until
an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
All right, Okay, there's a couple of jokes in there
that I'm going to stay well clear of.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Okay, Jerry, about that, yep. So what are you doing now?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Jerry?
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Over there, You're gazing into the abyss of your smartphone.
I'm not, actually, what are you doing? You are, mate,
you are I'm not look at you.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
You're not.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I've deleted. I've deleted my social media thing. Okay, I'm
just seeing if it was deleted or not. And it's
still deleted. So soothing. Even though Nietzschi wrote that in
eighteen eighty six, you could not have a quote that
is more accurate around what's happening with smartphones. So when
Frederick there wrote, so who's the monster, Well, there's the
monsters in there. He who fights with monsters? So people
(21:59):
battling on social media with monsters and dealing with the
monsters of the endless like if you He obviously wasn't
thinking about it in this ternance, but he said, if
the more time you spend with with monsters, then you
may well become a monster. I've talked about this with
back of the Why It Must Be Television, our TV show.
A lot of people we were started taking the piss
out of Bogans by the end of it because we
(22:20):
went to Bogenheart Bogan Park High School, so we were
called Bogans by everyone in the city. Pretty soon, a
lot of the people that were making jokes about being
Bogans became Bogans and are still Bogans to this day
because they battled with monsters and they became Bogans. Yeah, okayah.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
And then what was the part about steering into a
gazs abyss.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Cream up yours? If you put cream up your ass,
the cream gazes back at you.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Okay, So what are you saying is that you put
that cream out us and soon you're going to be
looking to put other cream up with your ass.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
If you gaze for long into the abyss, the abys
gaze is also into you. So what's that saying is
if you're just staring into nothingness, then nothingness becomes you.
And so the self owner is a cross between battling
with monsters and you'll become a monster and gazing to
the byss and and the biss gazes back into your soul.
(23:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, interesting, isn't it? It is interesting? Yeah,
which is a universal truth, isn't it in terms of humanity? Yeah?
But I mean that's why I think that idea of
it being a black mirror.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Is an interesting is such a great term because you
just see yourself back into it.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yep. Yeah, got the worst part of yourself. But what
I'd say to Nietzsche, I'd say, Nietzsche, didn't you say before?
Speaker 4 (23:30):
It?
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Didn't Nietzsche say before that we should embrace risk and
we should build our houses on the sides of volcanoes
just to feel alive? That is that risk is risk?
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Actually looking you're risking your own mental health by looking
at social media all the time.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yes, yes, I guess, I guess as all risk physically, No,
because I mean, no one would say that all risk
was good because like I could, like you could say, oh,
you're going to feel it. You do do feel alive
if you stick your dick in a blender. I mean
you do feel alive. Point don't. But you'd say that
that wouldn't be sensible risk. I mean it's not about
all risk, is it.
Speaker 6 (24:04):
No, there's something about physics something it's really in the physical.
It has to do with kind of the physical, not
so much the mental. I mean, yeah, I think embracing
risk like sometimes taking the leap of maybe quitting your
job and starting something new, or yeah, stepping outside of
your comfort zone. Yeah, but that can be physical as
(24:25):
well as mental.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah. I guess. Also what it's saying is like if
a so society tends towards safety completely, then there's a
huge amount of risk in that. Like say, everyone is
diminished by the traffic control around Edenpark before a game,
everyone that is involved, and that has been diminished as
a human being because you've been infantalized, you've been turned
into a child, you've been said that you all of
a sudden, because you're going to this game, you can't
(24:47):
cross a road that you can't walk down the pavement.
That you can't sort out your own transport, in your
own system, you have been belittled by your society. And
sometimes that's what societies do. If they say that you
can't drive car faster than thirty kilometers, now they're belittling you.
They're saying that you're incompetent. That's basically their message from
your society is that you're incompetent. Whereas a better society
(25:09):
would be embrace people's abilities and assume naturally that people
are capable of looking after themselves. And when you do that,
people tend to succeed. I mean, look at six o'clock
closing in New Zealand. We assumed that humans New Zealanders
couldn't drink after six o'clock and be trusted, and so
people became infants, and they behave like infants by just
(25:31):
getting absolutely fucking steaming between five and six, you know.
So that's that's infant. That's turning people into infants. Whereas
you I think you need to punish people when they
behave like infants, but you need to assume that people
and give people every opportunity in life to show their
worth and their metal to the society they live in.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
Okay, yep, okay, right, okay, all right, I agree, so okay, okay,
settle down, yeah, all right down, okay, calm down, and.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
A blender now, yeah, no, no, no, that's what I
feel like doing after that is you've excited me, mate,
I seeds to be some risk. I'm sticking my cock
and a blender.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Sensible risk.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
Better be a sort of a but it sounds like
how you're describing it. Better be a bloody deep blender, shallow.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
My tongue and a blended. Impressed a girl once and
cut my tongue.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I'm oh, that's a you thing to do.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
I didn't impress her at all, No, it was zero
impressed there impression?
Speaker 4 (26:24):
How's she going? Now?
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Have you heard from her?
Speaker 4 (26:27):
We're not longer to get Maybe if I stick cock
and a blender, should be interested.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
See. Yeah, that's not the kind of risk I'm talking
about sticking your cock and a blender. The top of
risk I'm talking about is inserting something long and hard
into your anus and squeezing. It's so a nice, a
nice liquid, nice creamy liquid comes out.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
How bad are hemorrhoids?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Though?
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Have you guys ever had to bear the doctor of hemorrhoids.
Oh god, it's pretty it's pretty awful.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
I have yeah, same, same, I've got hemorrhoids right now.
What are hemorrhoids?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
They pine cones, No, but they can be caused by
trying to force out a pine coney, maybe get.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Them from sitting on a cold concrete. And then the
doctor with the Southeast Asian accents is to you, do
you have a partner? And she says woman, man, and
looks at me like you know, And I did not
have a partner at all. I sat on some cold
concrete and then I did a lot of exercise, so
she thought it was sexual damage.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
She's sexual year.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Yeah, you've got I do like gapes as much as yours.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
And I went out and dance to Ricky Marshall.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
If you gaze into the abyss of ruders downstairs, risen
ridden cavity, the abyscuaz is also into you.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Do you have a partner?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
On that note, man, do you have a partner, because
now it's not the time to get one, because if
they see this, it's not going to be good.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
So you have that, dude, you feel a bit about
that then you feel about the Friday.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Wee, No, I feel worse. I've just doubled down. Yep,
I think that's down on my feelings.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I think this one's better than the Friday one, probably
because it's sort of got ears to being because I
sort of brought ears to it by a couple of
quotes from eighteen eighty six, you know what I mean.
So it's at least got the sort of feel that
it's not that it has something worthwhile. Okay, all right then, okay,
So I'd love to hear your feedback on on on
Today's pot if you want more content like this.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
How we've got the music jury already a headache? You remember,
we need the podcast jury. Maybe we need preps to
whip up some imaging for the podcast jury. It's a
jury of ten members.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Yeah, and we give out some hemorrhoid cream to people
that vote in it.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yes, that's right, and then people can we can put
the I don't know a few episodes to the jury, yeah,
and they can let us know how they were and heave. Okay,
work any right, okay.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Because I think people want more of that, more that
had on Friday, and more of this. Okay, that's my theory.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
All right, Okay, you're right.
Speaker 5 (28:49):
Ruder sounds weird with no pop sock. I've got a
mic with no pop sock sounds weird.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I think it sounds quite nice. M thank you. Yeah,
I think raw dogging it all right? Do you remer?
Speaker 6 (29:02):
Okay, yeah, I'm just writing that writing is what we're
going to say about this podcast in terms of our
tease of it.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
I was just giving. Plus, why does Matt need to
put cream down? There?
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Is it because of the gay science?
Speaker 4 (29:15):
The gay I'm going to go and read gay science.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Now, the gay science.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
It's not funny if I search up gay science. Is
it going to be the first thing that comes up.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
I'm on the work.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I'll tell you what I'll bring you in. I'll bring
you in the history of philosophy, which is this, this,
this two tome, this huge time. I've got it home
and the explanation of Nietzsche is actually better than going
to the raw, raw source material.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Okay, help it look forward to that.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Get a lot of time for Nietzsche.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
All right?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Then ye show that up your ass. Okay, you show
that up your ars. Mash, shove it up. Cream there,
squeeze it
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Mate, it feels good.
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