June 25, 2024 • 38 mins
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(01:03):
of June.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Welcome all year.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Bespokey Dokies to the Daily Bespoke Matt and Jerry podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So good to be here. Can I get a bit
more of my cans, Meshy? Can it just a bit
more of my cans? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
What number are you? Your number? Four?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So if I turned that up? Is that? Oh that's
so much better? Thank you, Mashy.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Interesting, before we were on a toilet with a female
and before so we were sitting on the can, remember
the Jeremy So we were on the can and then
she had cans on and then and there was also
there was three puns happening.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, well firstly, what was the third? No, that's not
it's just before we start today. Yeah, let's just we've
got a clean slate. Yeah, all right, we've got these
headphones on again. I remember last time I was wearing
these bloody headphone things with the microphone sticking out the
side of them. There were some problems some stuff about
(01:53):
that we were discussing about LHV, et cetera. That I
don't want to go down that road. It's currently with
the exec We had the problems yesterday where we tried
to clean things up and then we ended up immediately. Yeah,
well I've known that for the longest time, you are
the problem on the show. Mat You're the reason that
the show goes down, says, I've known this for long.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I've actually taken the lane. It's funny you should bring this.
And I wanted to another pod that's completely focused on
how filthy our show's getting and trying to be better,
because we've done four of those in a row. I believe,
just the filthiness and trying to get better because you know,
we're recusting Live from the Empire Teven as you said
before when we're at the Lula and things went off
piece because we were at a bar and we had
(02:33):
head gears on. But I've got this communicate from Karen
reied Ice. Socket's read excell at Captain. He goes absolute
smart coming through on the podcast lately.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, well, I mean it's hard to argue with that,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And I responded, haha, yeah, it happens when we get tired.
And then he said and I said, look, no, but
we get the good we get good numbers on the
filth And I said, Jerry is always trying to clean
things up and then can't help himself and goes dirtier
than anyone else. This is what I said to to
to Kieran read. This is the text message he said exactly.
(03:06):
He actually has all the horrific stories, all the casual
listeners just waiting for the smart now because how downstairs
focus you guys have become. And I said, no people,
I'm pretty sure people want more Hawk that's more of
the hook Tour and he goes, I'm not sure they
want more.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I agree with them, they want more the hooked.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Poor girl, you go spit on that thing.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Have you seen me?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Have you seen the update on the Hooked Tour girl?
So she's been she has found out that she was
a teacher.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, no, but there's an update since then the hook
You got to spit.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
On that thing. You feel me? Girl?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
There was an update that she had been fired, but
there was incorrect. They had wrong, thank god, because there's
talk that she was like a preschool teacher. Yes, and
they're like, we can't have the girl teaching kids. I
don't know why. Why couldn't look poor girl.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Teach kids just because of her consent? So that like,
did she sign a waiver to say that she's allowed
to go around the world.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It was like one of those wonders wounders on a
podcast that goes up. You know, that's the lowest level
of podcasts, where they go up and they just find
drunk people on the street and they interview them. Yeah, like,
you're an absolute leech on society if you do that.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
That's what I mean. Did they sign did she sign
a waiver to say that they can use her image
and do all of that sort of stuff because her
life has now changed massively, and so there's a responsibility
as the person who's putting that up to know that
you are potentially wrong at dice.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I don't think those guys will put it up have
got any moral code at all. I mean, they're just
going around trying to get the content from drunk girls
on the street. So they're absolute pieces of they're too young.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
But I don't think.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
My understanding is when I look into it, that she's
not necessarily that embarrassed about it because she's been selling merch.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It's pretty quick she's turned that merch around. Yeah, pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, well, I guess you can just turn the merch
around and then it gets made anyway. I know, it's
very complicated because people can't find exactly who she is
if she is. There's a lot of lot of rumors
around it. But do we want to talk about the
per girl again?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
No, I don't think we do. There's a whole podcast
on it. I don't think we do. I mean today
we were doing some great work, yeah, for charity. I thought,
you know, we're raising awareness for Bell Cancer New Zealand.
We did our day and Low broadcast an entire Mat
and Jerry show from toilets.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Already raised over one hundred thousand dollars for cancer. You
can text three seven seven nine takes lou to three
seven seven nine and you'll instantly donate three dollars to
Bell Cancer New Zealand and helping people. And it's it's
a serious issue in this country.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Can I just say as well?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Also, if you're one of those people that like myself,
that are operating a mobile phone on the company dollar, yeah,
and if you could just do us a favorite and
I really starts spamming that bitch today, that's a good
point because I know for a fine fact that my
three dollars is coming straight out of the inns in
me funds.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Holy moly.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And then and if your boss comes at you for
donating to bell cancer. I'd say, come on, Scrooge McDuck.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, I agree. So Jerry, are you just doing it now?
I've just texted lock to three seven seven nine.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
You don't need to do the K on the end
of that day to come.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Back to you. Thanks for supporting. Yeah, so good. It's
because it auto corrected it to lock. Yeah. I didn't
want to do that, but it just ticked well.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I mean we were actually also in part of the
message we're trying to get out there is to get
someone to have a lock up your ass.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So it kind of makes sense, doesn't it. And I'll
tell you what. You know what, MESHI, You're totally right.
It's something that you can do and it will make
you feel good because I just tixt lock to three
seven seven nine and it came back with a little message,
thanks for supporting Radio Hurdicky day in league you absolute
lygend know the symptoms at balcancer inz dot org dot
in zen and listen to Hedechi on June twenty six
(06:40):
for twelve hours of funny from the Duney. So that
made me feel quite nice. I just text that I
knew that I'd done something good for the day. Yeah,
and then I mean it came back and said something
nice back to me.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Do you know what you could do that's even better?
Taxt look again to three seven seven nine. Then you
need another little dopamine head of being a good person. Oh,
he's doing It's done it again.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I've texted look again, look again? See what nothing?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
More money to Bell Cancer. Basically were CEO. I'm just
working out white house. I can if I text mesh
to three double seven nine. Yeah, heaven, there's an automatic man.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Three dollars, so you can donate anything at all to
three seven seven nine.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Okay, you can write anything on three. I'm gonna try hook,
don't lie the tone. No, I'm just going to try
it to see if bloody work. I'm not lying the tone.
I'm donating to bloody Bell cancer. Mate.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And then if I seend spin on that thing tonight
as well, we'll see if that.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Okay, I've just said hook said hook, you've got to
spit on that thing.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Did it work?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Have I donated money the bounce back.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Situation before? You don't have the funds?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
No, thanks for supporting Radioche Day and your legends know
the symptoms that Bell cancer in SIA, dot org, dot
in here and listen to Hodechi on June twenty six
for twelve hours of funny from the Duney.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So just basically text anything to three seven seven nine
and actually, if you want to, if you want to
get something off your chairs, text it to three doubles
seven nine and you will donate three dollars to Balcans
in New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Speaking of getting something off your chest, meshy, you could
post a picture of your downstairs, like, send them a
pick of your downstairs and see if they're donates three dollars.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I wonder if I send them a perk of my
downstairs to three doubles seven nine.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Let me let me yeah, find out I've got alighting you.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
No, no, no, I've got a couple just in the
folder that I have to scroll through, but I'll get
a downstairs shot.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Do you want body as well? Do you think? Don't
put your face in it? What I've learned, that's what
I've learned from mistakes.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
But I mean New Zealand dot or dot in it
aren't going to pawn shame you are they?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
No? But I see where Jerry is coming from. Obviously
some personal issues relationship at home there, Jerry.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I don't push your face in it whatever you do. Yeah,
not not if you're on TV, not if you're running.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
What I've also found the running the kind of the
snake I view the opposite to the bird's eye views
are dangerous and it'll be running.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Sports people that have made the mistake, haven't they.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
They've gone kind of testical first. Yeah, it does mean
have you got a couple of.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Like brains in the front there, like looking up and
then you used to see yourself peering around the side
of your downstairs.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
It's a career and.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I mean, I know we're trying to not lower the tone,
but if you the tones low, I've got an abnormally
large penis. No, not the penis as the opposite of
the normally large. I've got an abnormally large sack.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Ah, So if I tixt sack sack to three double
seven nine, will that donate three dollars.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
With Let's try. But I'm but worried that on this
podcast we're.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Hiding behind a cloud of charity and thinking that because
we're doing this for charity for Bell cancer and ZED
text four to three seven seven nine Tour that we
think we can get away with, you know, filth doing
the fifth disgusting podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
In our rown.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, I mean you are spot on. I don't know
if that's quite how it works, but look for one
more day. We don't really know what we're talking about today,
so let's just let's just get by on the fat
that we're doing something good here.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
It's a good cause. Sorry, I'm just trying to find
a picture of.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
What's actually been quite punishing for me is because I've
got some kind of mental deficiency at the moment where
I'm disconnected from reality and I'm sitting on the other
side of the room watching myself talk and all the
stuff that I'm talking and you guys talk, I'm not
actually associated with what's coming out of my mouth right now.
I am completely separated from what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It's funny because it's what you're saying is exactly what
we say.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And that makes me realize I'm just always on autopilot. Wow,
I don't have any say on what I say.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Are we are we getting into the realm of talking
about whether or not we have free will? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Are we just watching what we say all the time?
And then sometimes it feels like we're engaged with what
we're saying. But other times you just realize because there's
no thinking before I speak, it just happens immediately. We
know that, So we're just riding the wave of just
reacting exactly. And I mean, if you go back, you
look at from a physics perspective, every cause, every effect
has to having a cause, right, So nothing can happen
without something happening before it. Therefore, everything that you've ever
(11:21):
said has to have had a cause, and that cause,
like Domino's, has to go back to the beginning of time.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So if that's the case, and every cause has an effect,
then it was inevitable what you were going to say anyway,
because because that Domino was pushed thirteen point eight billion
years ago. MESHI sometimes when I'm just on autopilot, this
is the kind of absolute shit that comes out of
my mouth.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Well sometimes a few years ago, I started doing meditation,
and part of the meditation is that you try and
not clear your head, but you just just think about
what you can hear, what you can feel, what you
can see exactly at that time, So you don't go
into the past, you don't bring up memories and you
don't think about the future, what you're going to do next,
(12:02):
which is actually quite a that's all meditation is. It's
just being in that moment, whatever is happening at that
particular time in terms of the things that are happening
outside of your brain, and taking them in. And what
I'd learned when I started doing that was a how
much time I spend thinking about the past and the
prison and sorry, the past and the future when I'm
(12:22):
actually in the prison, but also the thoughts that come
into your mind when you just watch them come in
randomly and you actually watch them come in. Yeah, And
at that point, that's when I went there. I realized,
at that point, I don't have any free will because
you cannot control that thought that comes into your head. No,
when it comes in you when you watch it, you
can actually watch it arrive and you think, God, but
(12:43):
where did that hell did why did that thought come in?
Why did that thought about monkeys playing piano accordions? Come
into my head? At that moment?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And the thing is you realize that you're asleep all
the time and that you're just in a dream and
your brain, the old parts of your brain, the brain
is just firing up thoughts as it as it associates
with other things that are happening.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And then and then you've got no choice. You just
where you go next.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
You're on the sea of these thoughts that are coming
from nowhere, and you've got no bloody choice about what
you feel or what happens next. But that's why megitation
is so good, because you can just watch it, and
then you can then you can actually not be beholden
to those thoughts.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh, you watch it, and you can watch it go through.
You just watch it go. You go back to your breathing,
and you go back to listening to what you're listening to,
and you realize that it's gone. It's actually hard to
bring back because that's what it teaches you. It says, Okay,
try and bring back that thought. And at that moment,
once it's gone through your brain, God, it's hard to
bring back. You bring back another thought. The thought that
you try and bring back when you bring back that
other one is something completely different.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
But what about like when you get a thought and
you're in a conversation, you go, that person doesn't like me,
and this thought like an alarm going off in you
hear this person doesn't like me.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
This person doesn't like me, this person doesn't like me.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
And then you're taken on that train of thought because
you never actually acknowledge that thought. But if you acknowledge,
it's kind of like turning off a smoke alarm. You go,
you no, no, that's actually you're actually stupid thought. That's
actually a stupid short thought that you've had. It's not
actually based in reality. So piss off thought, and you
can just watch that one go away. And then and
then your brain goes, oh, right, okay, that was that
(14:11):
wasn't a real one. And then you realize that your
brain is just throwing up anything from this, just throwing
it up to see.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
If that's what's going on. It doesn't really know. It's
sealed in case nothing gets into your head light comes
through it. It's processed is data in a way.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
So it's this thing that lives in complete darkness, your
brains sealed completely within.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Your head, and it's just throwing shit at you to
deal with. Yeah, there's a weird other thing that's going
on as well, though, isn't it like when you're younger,
you actually have to try and start thinking a head
so like at the moment, I'm teaching my twelve year
old to think your head, so at a moment he
needs to think he's doing something. You think, I've just
taken off my shoes, I'm gonna have to think ahead
to what I'm gonna make sure that I come back
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and get those shoes at some stage. So you're thinking
your head. Then when you get to your age like
we are, you've got a star thinking your head so much,
and you've actually got to think about where you are
back in the moment, and you've already trained yourself to
think ahead. You can do that. You've got that ability
to think ahead. It's there, it won't disappear from you.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
You've got to stop bloody thinking ahead, and you've got
to stow your freaking life.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You got to stop your head so much. And it's
bloody hard. I find it quite hard not to keep
thinking ahead all the time.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But interesting, we were talking about cause and effect and
the lack of free will. You trying to get your
son to think ahead is what your father did and
all humans have done to their offspring for the longest
period of time. And if you don't do that, then
they go in a different way. So you're actually part
of the cause of the thing that makes your son
always thinking ahead that later on in his life. Yes
(15:39):
to Goo, I'm always thinking ahead. I need to actually
live in the moment.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You know. That's right. But I don't know if he
will ever be able to think ahead. Really, I'm at
the stage now I think my son will never be
able to think ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, speaking of thinking ahead, shall we take a break
and then and come back with more of this?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You know, it's been quite.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Cerebral, it it's been nice, actually, fellows.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, so we'll come back with some more more around
the girl next.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Okay, so we see what effects we've got here, So
we can take a break. Let's just try this one.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That's that's the thing when we used to kick you out,
and you used to have to remember back in the
day that should get kicked out because we were trying
to clean them up and make him a better person.
We're trying to be a positive cause in his life,
and you have to ring the doorbou.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
It come back. Okay, So not that button to take
a break? What about this one? Yep, that's us. There
we go. We're back with the cleaning things up. We
moved away from that. Look till girl here is she?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
That would be amazing if we got man, if you
get the first interview with her, be incredible. I think
she's great New Zealander. I think she's a really awesome
person from Nashville. She's funny, she's got good lines.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I think she's a good time, the best of it. Well,
she's got three lines. I know she got on that
because she's also got what do you do after a breakdown?
How do you? What do you do to get over?
She goes, you get under another It's one of her lines.
Her other line, how do you drive a man?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Are crazying the bedroom? You gotta you gotta get that hook.
You gotta spit on that thing.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You feel me? And then she got it. She got
one other line. Uh, she's got two.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Something about her? What a great ass. Her best friend's
got what she talks about.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
That's down. We've brought it all down so far, Jerry.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
If people were to just judge you off your television appearances,
you'd be fucked.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well do for sick And there's a lot more than
three lines, so well, practically speaking, well your lines and
how when you're just reading off an audit kit coming up.
It's coming up to a city year broadcasting career. What
he is?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Okay, sorry I hadn't been what I'm just saying, what
the hook two girl? I'm not comparing you to goes
like Die Heinwood Love Diehindward.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
What a great news inaler is. He was in on
the beak for show with us today. You can listen
to that on the Radio Highlights podcast which is out
right now. But Diehinward, he's got to show at sky
City on the fourth of July. Can get tickets to
a show laugh Withdie dot com. That's you go laugh
with Die dot com. Gooing tickets to that show and
it'll astly help him because he needs a bit of
money for his cancer treatment. So that so Die is
(18:12):
putting on a show to rustle up a bit of cash.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
It was very interesting this morning, wasn't it when he
said that he's estimated to have spent about four hundred
thousand dollars on treatment thus far.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
So well that are available. It's one of those things.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
All you get you get a colin oscaby, you get
a check, you know, go to see the doctor and
they could get to it early or we don't as
a nation check people and as a result, it costs
US four hundred thousand dollars so far for Die's treatment.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
You know what I mean? Like it's as an interesting thing,
isn't it?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Like why are we if you think philosophically about medicine,
we've got it around the wrong way. We go to
the doctor to cure ourselves of diseases after they already exist,
whereas I believe we should be in partnership with our
health providers and ourselves and trying to make healthy decisions
and try and work with them to make healthy decisions
(19:03):
for ourselves so we get things in advance and where
we're trying to optimize ourselves as we go through life.
That that that's that's my belief. And when I say
it's my belief, it's just this mouth that's talking randomly.
It's absolutely nothing to do with me. I'm sitting back
behind us. It's just talking talking.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
And what you said this morning on the show was
a similar vibe of like the idea that going to
the doctor or going to the dentists or doing anything,
whether it bealcans are related or not, is if there's
nothing wrong, that does not make it an unsuccessful trip
to the doctors or actually a dentist or to whatever
you're doing. That's best case scenario, and then you move
on with your life and you feel better about it.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It's like it's like it's like a service, you know,
like you take your car and to get a service, right,
and you take it to John Andrew Ford and they'll sticky,
they'll make it, they'll charge you a lot if you
go to John Andrew.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Don't find something wrong with it. But GPS are not
like John Edisord, so when you go in for service,
they'll try and do your ties again, even though they
will find something.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Doctors are not like that. Doctors will actually look at
So it's a bad example.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
But like the idea that you would take what you
actually need to look at your health is that you
go for a service every year to make sure everything's
running sweet, and you don't take your car and to
get a service and the person says, actually everything's fine,
and you feel embarrassed. You take your current service over.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
It's fine. You go freaking sweet? Should you? Yeah? But
our problem is that well generally people do that, but
men start doing it in their eighties and we might
as start doing that, he goes to the GP and
he gives them like a yearly check up. Right, Yeah,
we don't do that wing as we're like, ah, the
car is driving fine, We're not going to do an
oil change or anything. But what I want to know
is there are some countries around the world, like South Korea, Yeah,
(20:40):
where they have this thirty forty fifty sixty thing. So
you go in at thirty, you get a basic checkup. Yeah,
they tell you how everything's going. Then you go on
again at forty so every ten years they have a
state sponsored checkup that you do and their idea is
prevention before now, it's weird to me that in some
parts of New Zealand, some parts of our society, we
have that prevention idea around the ACC. Actually, yeah, the
(21:03):
ACC is a whole lot of advertising that they spend
every year talking about prevention. Don't do this, don't do
this otherwise this will lead to this. Don't swim in
your jeans, don't swim in yours. Yet, for some reason,
when it comes to health, follow don't get drink and
swing your kid around around? Who are we following? Yeah,
Like what countries do? Wouldn't we not look around we're
(21:23):
a little country. We're quite we're quite sort of edgile.
Why would we not look around and go, okay, who's
got this? Really? Who's got this nailed down? South Korea?
Is it? Is it a race thing?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I think what it is is, well, that's interesting in
South Korea because I saw this documentary on plastic surgery
in South Korea, and there's more plastic surgery done in
South Korea than anywhere else in the world. But it's
done for totally different reasons than it's done in Western societies,
where they do like they talk to all the girls,
why did you get plastic surgery done? And it was like,
(21:57):
so they fit into societ, so that they're not outside
on society. They can contribute more to their society and
their family by looking more like each other, and so
that their parents can be proud of them, and their
brothers and sisters can be proud of them.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It's this really different approach.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
So they have sort of almost a complete They are
a part of society where we have a very individualistic
society where we're we're about ourselves, whereas they're so far
down that you do what you do for your community,
and so that that's probably why their house services like that.
It's like the health across all of society needs to
(22:36):
be good for the country to work best as if
our health is good across the entire society, whereas we're
like do it for yourself kind of thing. And when
you say do it for yourself, and you know, they've
had these studies and they found that in countries like
New Zealand, we're much more likely to take medicine for
our dogs, give medicine to our dogs, and take our
(22:56):
dogs to the vet than we are to take medicine
ourselves or take us else to the vet, you know,
because we're kind of like, because you're individualistic, You're like, well,
fuck it, it's just me, and so I choose today
not to go. I choose to sit around and do
fuck all today. I choose not to go. You're not thinking,
how can my health affect be beneficial for everyone around me?
If I keep myself running at a high level, then
(23:18):
I can provide for my family and I can protect
my family, I can help with my community, I can
I can be a functioning member of society in a
very positive way.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
We don't really look at that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
We look at it like, oh fuck it, it's just
for me, you know what I'm saying, It's.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Not really our style.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And is it is it ary to go, you know what,
let's have a look at I don't know, for example,
health or or whatever it is to look at another
country and go, you know what, let's just be happy
with copying that because we know it works.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's not really something that we do too often, is
it now? And I wonder as well, with the New
Zealanders whether we've got a bit of a vibe that
we think. I definitely think we have a Shelby Right
kind of a vibe in Newsne which is one of
the better parts of our culture. It is actually in
most parts of our culture. It's actually quite good. Know.
It's like, she'll be right, don't worry about it. I
used to.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I think we've lost that the problems in our society.
Now we've got everything shit and at someone else's fault attitude.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Now it used to be she'll be right.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I'll deal with that when that happens, you know what
I mean, Let's not stress out too much about it.
That That used to be the quintessential Kiwi thing, wasn't it,
which was good and bad as you say, like, she'll
be right. It's bad when it comes to getting it,
you know, like you've got some some symptoms that suggest
that you like if you've got bleeding at your anus. Right,
it's not a great attitude to have. But there's a
lot of times when she'll be right. You know, when
you come into a work in an office and everyone's
(24:32):
freaking out about shit that don't need to be like
like like like this morning we had this big live
broadcast on there's there's a prepare, but there's just a
we'll deal with a lot of this says that happens,
you know what I mean. You can take that that
that kind of attitude is actually quite good in terms
of stress levels, right.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, but it's it's when it applies, as you see
it across into things that aren't going to be right. Yeah.
But if you take the problem is how do you
change that really that that mindset? I think I think
I guess what I'd one thing.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I made my point very well before, probably because I'm
sitting on the other side of the room watching my
mouth talk and it's just yeabbing.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
But I think sounding good.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I think the thing is that if you've got if you're, like, say,
from a male perspective, right, For the longest time, the
job of the mail was to protect and provide for
your family and your community.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
That was the idea.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Is like, your life was devoted to protecting and providing
for the community, you know, moving from your direct family
out further and further right, that used to be the whole,
whole goal, which I think has kind of been lost.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
A little bit has in it now.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And so like that idea of getting yourself checked up
in the South Korean way is actually not doing it
for yourself, but doing it for how healthy you is
better for the people around you. You're kind of a
saying like for your family, say Jeremy, if you're healthy
and you're around, then you are in a better condition
(26:06):
to fulfill your core responsibility as a man. Whatever anyone's
saying to you from any angle, what do people think? Whatever,
whatever current zigy is still current political situation. A man
quietly providing for his family and protecting his family and
protecting in the wider community whenever they can. It's your
(26:28):
core value and to do that you need to stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. It's helpful if you
stay healthy. Yeah, And I think you know that when
you you know, if you ever go down with the
sickness or something and you actually can't physically do anything, God,
do you feel useless? Yeah? But I look, I think
most men actually do think that way. I think most
still do. And I think people still want to be
(26:55):
able to check out of that every now and then,
because it's quite a lot of responsibility. Yeah, And I
think I think most people probably want a little bit
of both. They want a little bit of being You've
got to have a little bit of both, yeah, and
you've got to find your way of being able to
check out that enables you to still check out and
scratch that etch. But at the same time, you know,
(27:15):
still be that dad or that man or whatever that
is in that situation where you're helping mainly helping people
other than yourself. Yeah. But I also think that there's
something going on now that we definitely live in a
society where people are sorting themselves out first, and I
think that's not good. No, And the first thought is
(27:41):
how do I sort myself out right now? Yeah? And
for some reason, I think was there used to actually
be list of there. I think now there's more of that,
there's more people that are thinking about themselves, and well,
I think I think that's partly.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
The focus went from be a good person in your
community and be a good provider for your fans and
do what you can to your special and you need
to follow your dream.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
That's right, there's the following your dreams idea.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
The following your dreams idea is the worst idea, and
your special idea is I mean, one of the greatest
things you can realize in life is that you're not special.
You're part of a fantastic human race and you're just
a cog in the wheel of your family and your
community and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, it definitely takes pressure off you, Yeah, because because
that's your job, right, your job, that's speaking. Your job
isn't to be what's being special or special being famous. Well,
it's tricky for us to say this because we we
found ourselves doing jobs which are special.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
People who say this to me when I say this,
it's like, but how come if that's the case, you
did everything in your life to follow special careers. And
I was like, well, maybe I'm a victim of being
like of having an ego that needed to be you know,
maybe if i'd sort of myself out later earlier, I
could have had a different life, you know, and been
just as happy.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, I challenged that idea slowly. I don't know why
I think I look at it. Maybe it's because I
grew up in.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
A household were like you guys are saying, is they
were very good at believing like they're quite happy being
coggs in the will. Both my parents and they were
very very very very good cogs in the wheel when
the will keept turning every fucking day.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And I don't know quite how they did it, but
they did it.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, And then I thought, yeah, it's maybe this is
actually more backing up your point than going against it.
But it's kind of like, for a second, then when
I got into radio, I thought, I want to go
after something special here because this is something that I
want to do, and this is a little bit of
a dream chasing thing. So you're saying that that's probably
not the way to look at it. I mean, I
felt lucky because.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I am here. Well, here's my feeling on this that
in the past humans have always been parts of teams, right,
and been part of a work team, or maybe a
relationship team or part of a family team, or people
have found their way into a team. Yeah. Now your
part of the team could just be turning up and
being a positive sort of a person all the time,
(29:51):
and you're bringing something to the team by doing that,
but you're still focused on the team in a way.
It's a good or in a relationship. You might not
the person who's bringing all the money in in a relationship,
but you're contributing in another way, which was making the
team better. Okay, and your team, your family is a team.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
So I haven't really going to get what you're saying.
In fact, I've kind of backed up of it.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
It's more about teams, and you can be doing something
really special, but it's the team doing it.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Like say, our break for show. Often think about this.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Our brick for show is no different than the four
of us were each morning going out to hunt gazelle
or something. We get together, we all have our skills
and we go out and hunt the gazelle and it's
our time together.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
And that's what's so interesting on a podcast.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I mean, our podcast gets more and more successful, but
that doesn't really matter. It doesn't because it's more the
fact that it's every day and it's the four of
us coming together to do something and that's the most
human thing you can do. So you've got your team
at home jury. You've got your team which is Mischig,
Hugo and Tulsi, and you got that team, and you
do your stuff with that team, and you know, making
(30:53):
sure that your kids are right, and you're making sure
that your partner's okay. And you do that team, and
then you're going to give your other team and you
go off and do do stuff with that team. And
it wouldn't really matter what they are. I mean, anyone
that's worked in a workplace where the people aren't great
compared to a workplace where people are great, so different.
I mean, I used to work in Real Groovy Records
in Auckland and was such a good team that it
(31:15):
was a shit job. But I loved hanging out with
the people and I loved the jokes we had behind
the counter. I loved I loved all the things we
were doing. And I was like this, it doesn't didn't
matter that we were selling CDs as opposed to talking
bullshit on a podcast. It was about the journey and
the team and being part of being a pack animal
and hitting, and that the key is.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
You got to be hitting in some direction. Ye.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yes, you've got to have something to do, and you've
got to get some good people around you and do it.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It doesn't really matter what that is. And I think
we're definitely part as society atomizers, and it has atomized
more and more. Even though we think that we're more connected,
we're less connected than we And I think as it
atomizes more and more, people start looking themselves and thinking
what me, me, me, I, I I ego, ego, ego,
thinking about myself, myself, myself, And really the answer is
(32:01):
in front of you, in the eyes of other people.
The answer is inside of your own family, it's inside
of your partner, it's inside of your children. Those things
are all in front of you. They're not behind your eyes.
They're actually in front of your eyes. And I think
if you focus more on what's in front of your
eyes and less than what's behind your eyes, I think
it's actually a good way to happiness in general. But
(32:25):
the problem is we are always asked from a very
young age, what are you doing, what's your future? Where
are you going to go? And because we can all
see all of these options now in front of us,
much more clearly than they're on our bloody phone. Then
we don't look to the people so much. We look
to our phones, We look to our technology. We look
to these things that are possibly unobtainable in a lot
(32:47):
of ways, and we mark ourselves, we guide ourselves with that,
and then we also judge ourselves against that. Well, it's
a terrible idea.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I mean, you go to your phone, it's the point
you're making jury su true and quite purposefully, your phone's
growing up stuff that's unattainable to make you feel bad,
to fire off your worst emotions, that make your life's
life worse. Because you know, comparison is the thief of joy,
and that's what social media is comparison. It's kind of
constantly comparing yourself to that. But like if you were
(33:14):
back in hunter and gatherer days, which were completely evolved
to be in you're in a pack, what you knew
you had to do was survive for the day. You
only had to be the best person at stripping bark
off a tree or whatever something that they needed to do,
and you'd find each person would find their thing and
that was their goal in life. They didn't go online
and see four thousand people that were infinitely better than
they were at it. You just had to find your
(33:36):
COG and the thirty people that was your tribe and
go around and at the end of the day, your
KPIs your key performance indicators.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
With that, you were still alive.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
At the end of the day, you sat around the
fire and you felt fricking amazing because you'd worked as
a team to get that right. So now we live
in a society where people go, you need to follow
your dream. You know, if you find you need to
find your calling. What's your life? You know, from about
the age of fourteen year people are panicking because they're like,
I haven't found the thing.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
That's so important to me.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Point now, okay, I haven't found my calling in life.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
What's the word for it? Like what I'm supposed to do?
My passion, what I'm going to do with my life?
You haven't found it.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
And people don't find that from fourteen un till about
forty five when they give up and they go, I
never found it.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I never found it because fucking of course you can't
find it, because ninety nine percent of people won't fucking
find that, And the people that do find they're calling
end up fucking not being happy from it anyway, because
they're chasing some kind of bullshit dream. Like I don't know,
we all want to be rock stars, movie stars, tv stars.
I don't know what the fucking thing we want to
be that counts billionaires? What accounts to found your calling
(34:39):
an artist, incredible, celebrated artist, or whatever it is. And
it's like, no, your calling in life is to find
some good people around you and fucking do something for them,
and multiple teams and like that, just to continue down
this path. We have this idea about our partner having
to be this an amazing so spend our whole lives
(35:02):
trying to find the fucking perfect dream fantasy partner that's
the most ultimate thing, the most beautiful person in the world,
most select sexually attractive, your best friend, the smartest person
you've ever met, all these things, and we put this
on a partner where no, a partner is just one
of the people in your life, someone that you like
and love, and then you settle on them and you
(35:22):
devote yourself to making their life better and as a result,
you make your life better.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah. No, that's exactly right. I think the Japanese do
an interesting thing where they have professions where people really
get into whatever they're doing. So it might be a
guy I might spend sixty years making sushi. That guy
just focuses in on doing the best job they possibly
can on making that sushi. And the more they get
into it, the more they realize that there's more to this,
the more they thought, there's actually more to it. You
(35:50):
can make it slightly square each time if you want to,
or you can add that it's really the joy that
you're bringing to that particular Japanese are particularly good at that,
and they just focus right in on that. They're not
thinking while he's making that sushi. He's not thinking or
she's not thinking. God, I wish I was I was
somewhere else. I wish I was doing something else.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I wish I wish mine my thing was more. Yeah,
you know, I wish I had more. I wish I
wish I had what other people have.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I was watching that.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I was watching Bill Burt interview last night, and what
he spoke about reminds me of this situation. And it's
quite a good blanket rule. And it's like what he
was talking about was the idea of you know, the
only thing that matters is you're going to be okay,
and if you're not okay, then you might've just deal
with that once that it comes and then you're just
gonna be fine for the rest.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
And that's kind of the whole.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
It kind of sums up what you guys talking about
there as well, in the sense that it is actually
just going to be okay. And if you are just
slotting in and what is it like the type of
thing that people say about about the like office job.
You know, I could never sit behind desk.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I wasn't you know.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I wasn't built for this type of it. No one
was mate like I had to I had to be
that person, but no one was really meant for that
kind of thing. And then, but understanding that, I think
it's actually okay to just be k is quite a
special thing because they would be very freeing for a
lot of young people right now who think they have
to be very special and do something incredible with their life.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
They know, men or something, then they should be sitting
they should be sitting at much impeach you, yes, you know,
writing a fucking novel. I think that's the person that
goes into work and goes into the office and goes,
I'm gonna actually do stuff for the office, you know,
something to go to office, and some people will sort
this out, they'll do this, and they'll go and they'll
come in and they'll be a positive And then and
their relationships in the office become really important. That person
(37:29):
is fucking load happier, even if they're just in a
ship office doing a ship job. Then the fucking digital
native digital natives traveling around the world by themselves on
laptops trying to be the most important person, eat, pray, love,
motherfucker in the world are the most miserable ship. They
hate themselves, they themselves. They absolutely hate themselves. Okay, well
that it was a lovely podcast. I very profound And look.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Can we call it they hate themselves?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, I suppose a bit of a dark they they
hate themselves.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
They do hate themselves. They hate themselves. They themselves. But
I love you guys. I love you too.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I love you guys, and I love working with you guys,
and I love doing this job. But it's not I
totally believe it's not the job. But it's the it's
the peeps.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
The people. When We fucking love it.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Lucky to be surrounded by I'm lucky to be surrounded
by great people at home, and lucky to be surrounded
by great people at my job.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
So yep, too right, mate, give them a taste to
keep you right. Okay, Okay, okay, Jesus you're right. Okay
then okay, God, okay, clear, wealthy ok it was.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
But we had quite a bit of hock there as well.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
God, how long were we going for?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Thirty eight minutes? Waste one's time?
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Ok We're done, all right, Jerry, done, okay
Speaker 2 (38:42):
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Speaker 2 (01:09):
So good to be here. Can I get a bit
more of my cans, Meshy? Can it just a bit
more of my cans? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
What number are you? Your number? Four?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
So if I turned that up? Is that? Oh that's
so much better? Thank you, Mashy.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Interesting, before we were on a toilet with a female
and before so we were sitting on the can, remember
the Jeremy So we were on the can and then
she had cans on and then and there was also
there was three puns happening.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, well firstly, what was the third? No, that's not
it's just before we start today. Yeah, let's just we've
got a clean slate. Yeah, all right, we've got these
headphones on again. I remember last time I was wearing
these bloody headphone things with the microphone sticking out the
side of them. There were some problems some stuff about
(01:53):
that we were discussing about LHV, et cetera. That I
don't want to go down that road. It's currently with
the exec We had the problems yesterday where we tried
to clean things up and then we ended up immediately. Yeah,
well I've known that for the longest time, you are
the problem on the show. Mat You're the reason that
the show goes down, says, I've known this for long.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I've actually taken the lane. It's funny you should bring this.
And I wanted to another pod that's completely focused on
how filthy our show's getting and trying to be better,
because we've done four of those in a row. I believe,
just the filthiness and trying to get better because you know,
we're recusting Live from the Empire Teven as you said
before when we're at the Lula and things went off
piece because we were at a bar and we had
(02:33):
head gears on. But I've got this communicate from Karen
reied Ice. Socket's read excell at Captain. He goes absolute
smart coming through on the podcast lately.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, well, I mean it's hard to argue with that,
isn't it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
And I responded, haha, yeah, it happens when we get tired.
And then he said and I said, look, no, but
we get the good we get good numbers on the
filth And I said, Jerry is always trying to clean
things up and then can't help himself and goes dirtier
than anyone else. This is what I said to to
to Kieran read. This is the text message he said exactly.
(03:06):
He actually has all the horrific stories, all the casual
listeners just waiting for the smart now because how downstairs
focus you guys have become. And I said, no people,
I'm pretty sure people want more Hawk that's more of
the hook Tour and he goes, I'm not sure they
want more.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I agree with them, they want more the hooked.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Poor girl, you go spit on that thing.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Have you seen me?
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Have you seen the update on the Hooked Tour girl?
So she's been she has found out that she was
a teacher.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, no, but there's an update since then the hook
You got to spit.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
On that thing. You feel me? Girl?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
There was an update that she had been fired, but
there was incorrect. They had wrong, thank god, because there's
talk that she was like a preschool teacher. Yes, and
they're like, we can't have the girl teaching kids. I
don't know why. Why couldn't look poor girl.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Teach kids just because of her consent? So that like,
did she sign a waiver to say that she's allowed
to go around the world.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
It was like one of those wonders wounders on a
podcast that goes up. You know, that's the lowest level
of podcasts, where they go up and they just find
drunk people on the street and they interview them. Yeah, like,
you're an absolute leech on society if you do that.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
That's what I mean. Did they sign did she sign
a waiver to say that they can use her image
and do all of that sort of stuff because her
life has now changed massively, and so there's a responsibility
as the person who's putting that up to know that
you are potentially wrong at dice.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I don't think those guys will put it up have
got any moral code at all. I mean, they're just
going around trying to get the content from drunk girls
on the street. So they're absolute pieces of they're too young.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
But I don't think.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
My understanding is when I look into it, that she's
not necessarily that embarrassed about it because she's been selling merch.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
It's pretty quick she's turned that merch around. Yeah, pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Yeah, well, I guess you can just turn the merch
around and then it gets made anyway. I know, it's
very complicated because people can't find exactly who she is
if she is. There's a lot of lot of rumors
around it. But do we want to talk about the
per girl again?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
No, I don't think we do. There's a whole podcast
on it. I don't think we do. I mean today
we were doing some great work, yeah, for charity. I thought,
you know, we're raising awareness for Bell Cancer New Zealand.
We did our day and Low broadcast an entire Mat
and Jerry show from toilets.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Already raised over one hundred thousand dollars for cancer. You
can text three seven seven nine takes lou to three
seven seven nine and you'll instantly donate three dollars to
Bell Cancer New Zealand and helping people. And it's it's
a serious issue in this country.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Can I just say as well?
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Also, if you're one of those people that like myself,
that are operating a mobile phone on the company dollar, yeah,
and if you could just do us a favorite and
I really starts spamming that bitch today, that's a good
point because I know for a fine fact that my
three dollars is coming straight out of the inns in
me funds.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Holy moly.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
And then and if your boss comes at you for
donating to bell cancer. I'd say, come on, Scrooge McDuck.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, I agree. So Jerry, are you just doing it now?
I've just texted lock to three seven seven nine.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
You don't need to do the K on the end
of that day to come.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Back to you. Thanks for supporting. Yeah, so good. It's
because it auto corrected it to lock. Yeah. I didn't
want to do that, but it just ticked well.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I mean we were actually also in part of the
message we're trying to get out there is to get
someone to have a lock up your ass.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So it kind of makes sense, doesn't it. And I'll
tell you what. You know what, MESHI, You're totally right.
It's something that you can do and it will make
you feel good because I just tixt lock to three
seven seven nine and it came back with a little message,
thanks for supporting Radio Hurdicky day in league you absolute
lygend know the symptoms at balcancer inz dot org dot
in zen and listen to Hedechi on June twenty six
(06:40):
for twelve hours of funny from the Duney. So that
made me feel quite nice. I just text that I
knew that I'd done something good for the day. Yeah,
and then I mean it came back and said something
nice back to me.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Do you know what you could do that's even better?
Taxt look again to three seven seven nine. Then you
need another little dopamine head of being a good person. Oh,
he's doing It's done it again.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I've texted look again, look again? See what nothing?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:09):
More money to Bell Cancer. Basically were CEO. I'm just
working out white house. I can if I text mesh
to three double seven nine. Yeah, heaven, there's an automatic man.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Three dollars, so you can donate anything at all to
three seven seven nine.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Okay, you can write anything on three. I'm gonna try hook,
don't lie the tone. No, I'm just going to try
it to see if bloody work. I'm not lying the tone.
I'm donating to bloody Bell cancer. Mate.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
And then if I seend spin on that thing tonight
as well, we'll see if that.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Okay, I've just said hook said hook, you've got to
spit on that thing.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Did it work?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Have I donated money the bounce back.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Situation before? You don't have the funds?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
No, thanks for supporting Radioche Day and your legends know
the symptoms that Bell cancer in SIA, dot org, dot
in here and listen to Hodechi on June twenty six
for twelve hours of funny from the Duney.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
So just basically text anything to three seven seven nine
and actually, if you want to, if you want to
get something off your chairs, text it to three doubles
seven nine and you will donate three dollars to Balcans
in New Zealand.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Speaking of getting something off your chest, meshy, you could
post a picture of your downstairs, like, send them a
pick of your downstairs and see if they're donates three dollars.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I wonder if I send them a perk of my
downstairs to three doubles seven nine.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Let me let me yeah, find out I've got alighting you.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
No, no, no, I've got a couple just in the
folder that I have to scroll through, but I'll get
a downstairs shot.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Do you want body as well? Do you think? Don't
put your face in it? What I've learned, that's what
I've learned from mistakes.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
But I mean New Zealand dot or dot in it
aren't going to pawn shame you are they?
Speaker 3 (09:02):
No? But I see where Jerry is coming from. Obviously
some personal issues relationship at home there, Jerry.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I don't push your face in it whatever you do. Yeah,
not not if you're on TV, not if you're running.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
What I've also found the running the kind of the
snake I view the opposite to the bird's eye views
are dangerous and it'll be running.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Sports people that have made the mistake, haven't they.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
They've gone kind of testical first. Yeah, it does mean
have you got a couple of.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Like brains in the front there, like looking up and
then you used to see yourself peering around the side
of your downstairs.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
It's a career and.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I mean, I know we're trying to not lower the tone,
but if you the tones low, I've got an abnormally
large penis. No, not the penis as the opposite of
the normally large. I've got an abnormally large sack.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Ah, So if I tixt sack sack to three double
seven nine, will that donate three dollars.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
With Let's try. But I'm but worried that on this
podcast we're.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Hiding behind a cloud of charity and thinking that because
we're doing this for charity for Bell cancer and ZED
text four to three seven seven nine Tour that we
think we can get away with, you know, filth doing
the fifth disgusting podcast.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
In our rown.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, I mean you are spot on. I don't know
if that's quite how it works, but look for one
more day. We don't really know what we're talking about today,
so let's just let's just get by on the fat
that we're doing something good here.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
It's a good cause. Sorry, I'm just trying to find
a picture of.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
What's actually been quite punishing for me is because I've
got some kind of mental deficiency at the moment where
I'm disconnected from reality and I'm sitting on the other
side of the room watching myself talk and all the
stuff that I'm talking and you guys talk, I'm not
actually associated with what's coming out of my mouth right now.
I am completely separated from what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It's funny because it's what you're saying is exactly what
we say.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
And that makes me realize I'm just always on autopilot. Wow,
I don't have any say on what I say.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
Are we are we getting into the realm of talking
about whether or not we have free will? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Are we just watching what we say all the time?
And then sometimes it feels like we're engaged with what
we're saying. But other times you just realize because there's
no thinking before I speak, it just happens immediately. We
know that, So we're just riding the wave of just
reacting exactly. And I mean, if you go back, you
look at from a physics perspective, every cause, every effect
has to having a cause, right, So nothing can happen
without something happening before it. Therefore, everything that you've ever
(11:21):
said has to have had a cause, and that cause,
like Domino's, has to go back to the beginning of time.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
So if that's the case, and every cause has an effect,
then it was inevitable what you were going to say anyway,
because because that Domino was pushed thirteen point eight billion
years ago. MESHI sometimes when I'm just on autopilot, this
is the kind of absolute shit that comes out of
my mouth.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Well sometimes a few years ago, I started doing meditation,
and part of the meditation is that you try and
not clear your head, but you just just think about
what you can hear, what you can feel, what you
can see exactly at that time, So you don't go
into the past, you don't bring up memories and you
don't think about the future, what you're going to do next,
(12:02):
which is actually quite a that's all meditation is. It's
just being in that moment, whatever is happening at that
particular time in terms of the things that are happening
outside of your brain, and taking them in. And what
I'd learned when I started doing that was a how
much time I spend thinking about the past and the
prison and sorry, the past and the future when I'm
(12:22):
actually in the prison, but also the thoughts that come
into your mind when you just watch them come in
randomly and you actually watch them come in. Yeah, And
at that point, that's when I went there. I realized,
at that point, I don't have any free will because
you cannot control that thought that comes into your head. No,
when it comes in you when you watch it, you
can actually watch it arrive and you think, God, but
(12:43):
where did that hell did why did that thought come in?
Why did that thought about monkeys playing piano accordions? Come
into my head? At that moment?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
And the thing is you realize that you're asleep all
the time and that you're just in a dream and
your brain, the old parts of your brain, the brain
is just firing up thoughts as it as it associates
with other things that are happening.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And then and then you've got no choice. You just
where you go next.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
You're on the sea of these thoughts that are coming
from nowhere, and you've got no bloody choice about what
you feel or what happens next. But that's why megitation
is so good, because you can just watch it, and
then you can then you can actually not be beholden
to those thoughts.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh, you watch it, and you can watch it go through.
You just watch it go. You go back to your breathing,
and you go back to listening to what you're listening to,
and you realize that it's gone. It's actually hard to
bring back because that's what it teaches you. It says, Okay,
try and bring back that thought. And at that moment,
once it's gone through your brain, God, it's hard to
bring back. You bring back another thought. The thought that
you try and bring back when you bring back that
other one is something completely different.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
But what about like when you get a thought and
you're in a conversation, you go, that person doesn't like me,
and this thought like an alarm going off in you
hear this person doesn't like me.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
This person doesn't like me, this person doesn't like me.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
And then you're taken on that train of thought because
you never actually acknowledge that thought. But if you acknowledge,
it's kind of like turning off a smoke alarm. You go,
you no, no, that's actually you're actually stupid thought. That's
actually a stupid short thought that you've had. It's not
actually based in reality. So piss off thought, and you
can just watch that one go away. And then and
then your brain goes, oh, right, okay, that was that
(14:11):
wasn't a real one. And then you realize that your
brain is just throwing up anything from this, just throwing
it up to see.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
If that's what's going on. It doesn't really know. It's
sealed in case nothing gets into your head light comes
through it. It's processed is data in a way.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
So it's this thing that lives in complete darkness, your
brains sealed completely within.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Your head, and it's just throwing shit at you to
deal with. Yeah, there's a weird other thing that's going
on as well, though, isn't it like when you're younger,
you actually have to try and start thinking a head
so like at the moment, I'm teaching my twelve year
old to think your head, so at a moment he
needs to think he's doing something. You think, I've just
taken off my shoes, I'm gonna have to think ahead
to what I'm gonna make sure that I come back
(14:52):
and get those shoes at some stage. So you're thinking
your head. Then when you get to your age like
we are, you've got a star thinking your head so much,
and you've actually got to think about where you are
back in the moment, and you've already trained yourself to
think ahead. You can do that. You've got that ability
to think ahead. It's there, it won't disappear from you.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
You've got to stop bloody thinking ahead, and you've got
to stow your freaking life.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
You got to stop your head so much. And it's
bloody hard. I find it quite hard not to keep
thinking ahead all the time.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
But interesting, we were talking about cause and effect and
the lack of free will. You trying to get your
son to think ahead is what your father did and
all humans have done to their offspring for the longest
period of time. And if you don't do that, then
they go in a different way. So you're actually part
of the cause of the thing that makes your son
always thinking ahead that later on in his life. Yes
(15:39):
to Goo, I'm always thinking ahead. I need to actually
live in the moment.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You know. That's right. But I don't know if he
will ever be able to think ahead. Really, I'm at
the stage now I think my son will never be
able to think ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, speaking of thinking ahead, shall we take a break
and then and come back with more of this?
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You know, it's been quite.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Cerebral, it it's been nice, actually, fellows.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, so we'll come back with some more more around
the girl next.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Okay, so we see what effects we've got here, So
we can take a break. Let's just try this one.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That's that's the thing when we used to kick you out,
and you used to have to remember back in the
day that should get kicked out because we were trying
to clean them up and make him a better person.
We're trying to be a positive cause in his life,
and you have to ring the doorbou.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
It come back. Okay, So not that button to take
a break? What about this one? Yep, that's us. There
we go. We're back with the cleaning things up. We
moved away from that. Look till girl here is she?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
That would be amazing if we got man, if you
get the first interview with her, be incredible. I think
she's great New Zealander. I think she's a really awesome
person from Nashville. She's funny, she's got good lines.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I think she's a good time, the best of it. Well,
she's got three lines. I know she got on that
because she's also got what do you do after a breakdown?
How do you? What do you do to get over?
She goes, you get under another It's one of her lines.
Her other line, how do you drive a man?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Are crazying the bedroom? You gotta you gotta get that hook.
You gotta spit on that thing.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You feel me? And then she got it. She got
one other line. Uh, she's got two.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Something about her? What a great ass. Her best friend's
got what she talks about.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
That's down. We've brought it all down so far, Jerry.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
If people were to just judge you off your television appearances,
you'd be fucked.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Well do for sick And there's a lot more than
three lines, so well, practically speaking, well your lines and
how when you're just reading off an audit kit coming up.
It's coming up to a city year broadcasting career. What
he is?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Okay, sorry I hadn't been what I'm just saying, what
the hook two girl? I'm not comparing you to goes
like Die Heinwood Love Diehindward.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
What a great news inaler is. He was in on
the beak for show with us today. You can listen
to that on the Radio Highlights podcast which is out
right now. But Diehinward, he's got to show at sky
City on the fourth of July. Can get tickets to
a show laugh Withdie dot com. That's you go laugh
with Die dot com. Gooing tickets to that show and
it'll astly help him because he needs a bit of
money for his cancer treatment. So that so Die is
(18:12):
putting on a show to rustle up a bit of cash.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
It was very interesting this morning, wasn't it when he
said that he's estimated to have spent about four hundred
thousand dollars on treatment thus far.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
So well that are available. It's one of those things.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
All you get you get a colin oscaby, you get
a check, you know, go to see the doctor and
they could get to it early or we don't as
a nation check people and as a result, it costs
US four hundred thousand dollars so far for Die's treatment.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
You know what I mean? Like it's as an interesting thing,
isn't it?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Like why are we if you think philosophically about medicine,
we've got it around the wrong way. We go to
the doctor to cure ourselves of diseases after they already exist,
whereas I believe we should be in partnership with our
health providers and ourselves and trying to make healthy decisions
and try and work with them to make healthy decisions
(19:03):
for ourselves so we get things in advance and where
we're trying to optimize ourselves as we go through life.
That that that's that's my belief. And when I say
it's my belief, it's just this mouth that's talking randomly.
It's absolutely nothing to do with me. I'm sitting back
behind us. It's just talking talking.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
And what you said this morning on the show was
a similar vibe of like the idea that going to
the doctor or going to the dentists or doing anything,
whether it bealcans are related or not, is if there's
nothing wrong, that does not make it an unsuccessful trip
to the doctors or actually a dentist or to whatever
you're doing. That's best case scenario, and then you move
on with your life and you feel better about it.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
It's like it's like it's like a service, you know,
like you take your car and to get a service, right,
and you take it to John Andrew Ford and they'll sticky,
they'll make it, they'll charge you a lot if you
go to John Andrew.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Don't find something wrong with it. But GPS are not
like John Edisord, so when you go in for service,
they'll try and do your ties again, even though they
will find something.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
No.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Doctors are not like that. Doctors will actually look at
So it's a bad example.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
But like the idea that you would take what you
actually need to look at your health is that you
go for a service every year to make sure everything's
running sweet, and you don't take your car and to
get a service and the person says, actually everything's fine,
and you feel embarrassed. You take your current service over.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
It's fine. You go freaking sweet? Should you? Yeah? But
our problem is that well generally people do that, but
men start doing it in their eighties and we might
as start doing that, he goes to the GP and
he gives them like a yearly check up. Right, Yeah,
we don't do that wing as we're like, ah, the
car is driving fine, We're not going to do an
oil change or anything. But what I want to know
is there are some countries around the world, like South Korea, Yeah,
(20:40):
where they have this thirty forty fifty sixty thing. So
you go in at thirty, you get a basic checkup. Yeah,
they tell you how everything's going. Then you go on
again at forty so every ten years they have a
state sponsored checkup that you do and their idea is
prevention before now, it's weird to me that in some
parts of New Zealand, some parts of our society, we
have that prevention idea around the ACC. Actually, yeah, the
(21:03):
ACC is a whole lot of advertising that they spend
every year talking about prevention. Don't do this, don't do
this otherwise this will lead to this. Don't swim in
your jeans, don't swim in yours. Yet, for some reason,
when it comes to health, follow don't get drink and
swing your kid around around? Who are we following? Yeah,
Like what countries do? Wouldn't we not look around we're
(21:23):
a little country. We're quite we're quite sort of edgile.
Why would we not look around and go, okay, who's
got this? Really? Who's got this nailed down? South Korea?
Is it? Is it a race thing?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I think what it is is, well, that's interesting in
South Korea because I saw this documentary on plastic surgery
in South Korea, and there's more plastic surgery done in
South Korea than anywhere else in the world. But it's
done for totally different reasons than it's done in Western societies,
where they do like they talk to all the girls,
why did you get plastic surgery done? And it was like,
(21:57):
so they fit into societ, so that they're not outside
on society. They can contribute more to their society and
their family by looking more like each other, and so
that their parents can be proud of them, and their
brothers and sisters can be proud of them.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It's this really different approach.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
So they have sort of almost a complete They are
a part of society where we have a very individualistic
society where we're we're about ourselves, whereas they're so far
down that you do what you do for your community,
and so that that's probably why their house services like that.
It's like the health across all of society needs to
(22:36):
be good for the country to work best as if
our health is good across the entire society, whereas we're
like do it for yourself kind of thing. And when
you say do it for yourself, and you know, they've
had these studies and they found that in countries like
New Zealand, we're much more likely to take medicine for
our dogs, give medicine to our dogs, and take our
(22:56):
dogs to the vet than we are to take medicine
ourselves or take us else to the vet, you know,
because we're kind of like, because you're individualistic, You're like, well,
fuck it, it's just me, and so I choose today
not to go. I choose to sit around and do
fuck all today. I choose not to go. You're not thinking,
how can my health affect be beneficial for everyone around me?
If I keep myself running at a high level, then
(23:18):
I can provide for my family and I can protect
my family, I can help with my community, I can
I can be a functioning member of society in a
very positive way.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
We don't really look at that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
We look at it like, oh fuck it, it's just
for me, you know what I'm saying, It's.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Not really our style.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And is it is it ary to go, you know what,
let's have a look at I don't know, for example,
health or or whatever it is to look at another
country and go, you know what, let's just be happy
with copying that because we know it works.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
It's not really something that we do too often, is
it now? And I wonder as well, with the New
Zealanders whether we've got a bit of a vibe that
we think. I definitely think we have a Shelby Right
kind of a vibe in Newsne which is one of
the better parts of our culture. It is actually in
most parts of our culture. It's actually quite good. Know.
It's like, she'll be right, don't worry about it. I
used to.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I think we've lost that the problems in our society.
Now we've got everything shit and at someone else's fault attitude.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Now it used to be she'll be right.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I'll deal with that when that happens, you know what
I mean, Let's not stress out too much about it.
That That used to be the quintessential Kiwi thing, wasn't it,
which was good and bad as you say, like, she'll
be right. It's bad when it comes to getting it,
you know, like you've got some some symptoms that suggest
that you like if you've got bleeding at your anus. Right,
it's not a great attitude to have. But there's a
lot of times when she'll be right. You know, when
you come into a work in an office and everyone's
(24:32):
freaking out about shit that don't need to be like
like like like this morning we had this big live
broadcast on there's there's a prepare, but there's just a
we'll deal with a lot of this says that happens,
you know what I mean. You can take that that
that kind of attitude is actually quite good in terms
of stress levels, right.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, but it's it's when it applies, as you see
it across into things that aren't going to be right. Yeah.
But if you take the problem is how do you
change that really that that mindset? I think I think
I guess what I'd one thing.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I made my point very well before, probably because I'm
sitting on the other side of the room watching my
mouth talk and it's just yeabbing.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
But I think sounding good.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
I think the thing is that if you've got if you're, like, say,
from a male perspective, right, For the longest time, the
job of the mail was to protect and provide for
your family and your community.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
That was the idea.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Is like, your life was devoted to protecting and providing
for the community, you know, moving from your direct family
out further and further right, that used to be the whole,
whole goal, which I think has kind of been lost.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
A little bit has in it now.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
And so like that idea of getting yourself checked up
in the South Korean way is actually not doing it
for yourself, but doing it for how healthy you is
better for the people around you. You're kind of a
saying like for your family, say Jeremy, if you're healthy
and you're around, then you are in a better condition
(26:06):
to fulfill your core responsibility as a man. Whatever anyone's
saying to you from any angle, what do people think? Whatever,
whatever current zigy is still current political situation. A man
quietly providing for his family and protecting his family and
protecting in the wider community whenever they can. It's your
(26:28):
core value and to do that you need to stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. It's helpful if you
stay healthy. Yeah, And I think you know that when
you you know, if you ever go down with the
sickness or something and you actually can't physically do anything, God,
do you feel useless? Yeah? But I look, I think
most men actually do think that way. I think most
still do. And I think people still want to be
(26:55):
able to check out of that every now and then,
because it's quite a lot of responsibility. Yeah, And I
think I think most people probably want a little bit
of both. They want a little bit of being You've
got to have a little bit of both, yeah, and
you've got to find your way of being able to
check out that enables you to still check out and
scratch that etch. But at the same time, you know,
(27:15):
still be that dad or that man or whatever that
is in that situation where you're helping mainly helping people
other than yourself. Yeah. But I also think that there's
something going on now that we definitely live in a
society where people are sorting themselves out first, and I
think that's not good. No, And the first thought is
(27:41):
how do I sort myself out right now? Yeah? And
for some reason, I think was there used to actually
be list of there. I think now there's more of that,
there's more people that are thinking about themselves, and well,
I think I think that's partly.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
The focus went from be a good person in your
community and be a good provider for your fans and
do what you can to your special and you need
to follow your dream.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
That's right, there's the following your dreams idea.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
The following your dreams idea is the worst idea, and
your special idea is I mean, one of the greatest
things you can realize in life is that you're not special.
You're part of a fantastic human race and you're just
a cog in the wheel of your family and your
community and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, it definitely takes pressure off you, Yeah, because because
that's your job, right, your job, that's speaking. Your job
isn't to be what's being special or special being famous. Well,
it's tricky for us to say this because we we
found ourselves doing jobs which are special.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
People who say this to me when I say this,
it's like, but how come if that's the case, you
did everything in your life to follow special careers. And
I was like, well, maybe I'm a victim of being
like of having an ego that needed to be you know,
maybe if i'd sort of myself out later earlier, I
could have had a different life, you know, and been
just as happy.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, I challenged that idea slowly. I don't know why
I think I look at it. Maybe it's because I
grew up in.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
A household were like you guys are saying, is they
were very good at believing like they're quite happy being
coggs in the will. Both my parents and they were
very very very very good cogs in the wheel when
the will keept turning every fucking day.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And I don't know quite how they did it, but
they did it.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, And then I thought, yeah, it's maybe this is
actually more backing up your point than going against it.
But it's kind of like, for a second, then when
I got into radio, I thought, I want to go
after something special here because this is something that I
want to do, and this is a little bit of
a dream chasing thing. So you're saying that that's probably
not the way to look at it. I mean, I
felt lucky because.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I am here. Well, here's my feeling on this that
in the past humans have always been parts of teams, right,
and been part of a work team, or maybe a
relationship team or part of a family team, or people
have found their way into a team. Yeah. Now your
part of the team could just be turning up and
being a positive sort of a person all the time,
(29:51):
and you're bringing something to the team by doing that,
but you're still focused on the team in a way.
It's a good or in a relationship. You might not
the person who's bringing all the money in in a relationship,
but you're contributing in another way, which was making the
team better. Okay, and your team, your family is a team.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
So I haven't really going to get what you're saying.
In fact, I've kind of backed up of it.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
It's more about teams, and you can be doing something
really special, but it's the team doing it.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Like say, our break for show. Often think about this.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Our brick for show is no different than the four
of us were each morning going out to hunt gazelle
or something. We get together, we all have our skills
and we go out and hunt the gazelle and it's
our time together.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
And that's what's so interesting on a podcast.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I mean, our podcast gets more and more successful, but
that doesn't really matter. It doesn't because it's more the
fact that it's every day and it's the four of
us coming together to do something and that's the most
human thing you can do. So you've got your team
at home jury. You've got your team which is Mischig,
Hugo and Tulsi, and you got that team, and you
do your stuff with that team, and you know, making
(30:53):
sure that your kids are right, and you're making sure
that your partner's okay. And you do that team, and
then you're going to give your other team and you
go off and do do stuff with that team. And
it wouldn't really matter what they are. I mean, anyone
that's worked in a workplace where the people aren't great
compared to a workplace where people are great, so different.
I mean, I used to work in Real Groovy Records
in Auckland and was such a good team that it
(31:15):
was a shit job. But I loved hanging out with
the people and I loved the jokes we had behind
the counter. I loved I loved all the things we
were doing. And I was like this, it doesn't didn't
matter that we were selling CDs as opposed to talking
bullshit on a podcast. It was about the journey and
the team and being part of being a pack animal
and hitting, and that the key is.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
You got to be hitting in some direction. Ye.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yes, you've got to have something to do, and you've
got to get some good people around you and do it.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It doesn't really matter what that is. And I think
we're definitely part as society atomizers, and it has atomized
more and more. Even though we think that we're more connected,
we're less connected than we And I think as it
atomizes more and more, people start looking themselves and thinking
what me, me, me, I, I I ego, ego, ego,
thinking about myself, myself, myself, And really the answer is
(32:01):
in front of you, in the eyes of other people.
The answer is inside of your own family, it's inside
of your partner, it's inside of your children. Those things
are all in front of you. They're not behind your eyes.
They're actually in front of your eyes. And I think
if you focus more on what's in front of your
eyes and less than what's behind your eyes, I think
it's actually a good way to happiness in general. But
(32:25):
the problem is we are always asked from a very
young age, what are you doing, what's your future? Where
are you going to go? And because we can all
see all of these options now in front of us,
much more clearly than they're on our bloody phone. Then
we don't look to the people so much. We look
to our phones, We look to our technology. We look
to these things that are possibly unobtainable in a lot
(32:47):
of ways, and we mark ourselves, we guide ourselves with that,
and then we also judge ourselves against that. Well, it's
a terrible idea.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I mean, you go to your phone, it's the point
you're making jury su true and quite purposefully, your phone's
growing up stuff that's unattainable to make you feel bad,
to fire off your worst emotions, that make your life's
life worse. Because you know, comparison is the thief of joy,
and that's what social media is comparison. It's kind of
constantly comparing yourself to that. But like if you were
(33:14):
back in hunter and gatherer days, which were completely evolved
to be in you're in a pack, what you knew
you had to do was survive for the day. You
only had to be the best person at stripping bark
off a tree or whatever something that they needed to do,
and you'd find each person would find their thing and
that was their goal in life. They didn't go online
and see four thousand people that were infinitely better than
they were at it. You just had to find your
(33:36):
COG and the thirty people that was your tribe and
go around and at the end of the day, your
KPIs your key performance indicators.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
With that, you were still alive.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
At the end of the day, you sat around the
fire and you felt fricking amazing because you'd worked as
a team to get that right. So now we live
in a society where people go, you need to follow
your dream. You know, if you find you need to
find your calling. What's your life? You know, from about
the age of fourteen year people are panicking because they're like,
I haven't found the thing.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
That's so important to me.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Point now, okay, I haven't found my calling in life.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
What's the word for it? Like what I'm supposed to do?
My passion, what I'm going to do with my life?
You haven't found it.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
And people don't find that from fourteen un till about
forty five when they give up and they go, I
never found it.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
I never found it because fucking of course you can't
find it, because ninety nine percent of people won't fucking
find that, And the people that do find they're calling
end up fucking not being happy from it anyway, because
they're chasing some kind of bullshit dream. Like I don't know,
we all want to be rock stars, movie stars, tv stars.
I don't know what the fucking thing we want to
be that counts billionaires? What accounts to found your calling
(34:39):
an artist, incredible, celebrated artist, or whatever it is. And
it's like, no, your calling in life is to find
some good people around you and fucking do something for them,
and multiple teams and like that, just to continue down
this path. We have this idea about our partner having
to be this an amazing so spend our whole lives
(35:02):
trying to find the fucking perfect dream fantasy partner that's
the most ultimate thing, the most beautiful person in the world,
most select sexually attractive, your best friend, the smartest person
you've ever met, all these things, and we put this
on a partner where no, a partner is just one
of the people in your life, someone that you like
and love, and then you settle on them and you
(35:22):
devote yourself to making their life better and as a result,
you make your life better.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah. No, that's exactly right. I think the Japanese do
an interesting thing where they have professions where people really
get into whatever they're doing. So it might be a
guy I might spend sixty years making sushi. That guy
just focuses in on doing the best job they possibly
can on making that sushi. And the more they get
into it, the more they realize that there's more to this,
the more they thought, there's actually more to it. You
(35:50):
can make it slightly square each time if you want to,
or you can add that it's really the joy that
you're bringing to that particular Japanese are particularly good at that,
and they just focus right in on that. They're not
thinking while he's making that sushi. He's not thinking or
she's not thinking. God, I wish I was I was
somewhere else. I wish I was doing something else.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
I wish I wish mine my thing was more. Yeah,
you know, I wish I had more. I wish I
wish I had what other people have.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I was watching that.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I was watching Bill Burt interview last night, and what
he spoke about reminds me of this situation. And it's
quite a good blanket rule. And it's like what he
was talking about was the idea of you know, the
only thing that matters is you're going to be okay,
and if you're not okay, then you might've just deal
with that once that it comes and then you're just
gonna be fine for the rest.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
And that's kind of the whole.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
It kind of sums up what you guys talking about
there as well, in the sense that it is actually
just going to be okay. And if you are just
slotting in and what is it like the type of
thing that people say about about the like office job.
You know, I could never sit behind desk.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
I wasn't you know.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I wasn't built for this type of it. No one
was mate like I had to I had to be
that person, but no one was really meant for that
kind of thing. And then, but understanding that, I think
it's actually okay to just be k is quite a
special thing because they would be very freeing for a
lot of young people right now who think they have
to be very special and do something incredible with their life.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
They know, men or something, then they should be sitting
they should be sitting at much impeach you, yes, you know,
writing a fucking novel. I think that's the person that
goes into work and goes into the office and goes,
I'm gonna actually do stuff for the office, you know,
something to go to office, and some people will sort
this out, they'll do this, and they'll go and they'll
come in and they'll be a positive And then and
their relationships in the office become really important. That person
(37:29):
is fucking load happier, even if they're just in a
ship office doing a ship job. Then the fucking digital
native digital natives traveling around the world by themselves on
laptops trying to be the most important person, eat, pray, love,
motherfucker in the world are the most miserable ship. They
hate themselves, they themselves. They absolutely hate themselves. Okay, well
that it was a lovely podcast. I very profound And look.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Can we call it they hate themselves?
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, I suppose a bit of a dark they they
hate themselves.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
They do hate themselves. They hate themselves. They themselves. But
I love you guys. I love you too.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I love you guys, and I love working with you guys,
and I love doing this job. But it's not I
totally believe it's not the job. But it's the it's
the peeps.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
The people. When We fucking love it.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Lucky to be surrounded by I'm lucky to be surrounded
by great people at home, and lucky to be surrounded
by great people at my job.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
So yep, too right, mate, give them a taste to
keep you right. Okay, Okay, okay, Jesus you're right. Okay
then okay, God, okay, clear, wealthy ok it was.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
But we had quite a bit of hock there as well.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
God, how long were we going for?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Thirty eight minutes? Waste one's time?
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Ok We're done, all right, Jerry, done, okay
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Jerry, Jesus Christ is not all about you.
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