November 3, 2024 • 21 mins
Today on the podcast, Jerry, Mash, and ACC Head G Lane are joined by ex-Black Cap fast bowler, Neil Wagner!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome along to the unnamed podcast. It's Monday, the fourth
of November twenty twenty four. A sec to hear g
Lanes with us.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yes, good morning, good afternoon, good day. Where are you
joining us?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
And Neil Wagner is with us now? Thanks having you guys,
Oh so good.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
To have you, so good to have you.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Off the back of what happened last night.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Even winning their first ever Test series, well they already
won the Test series, but the first of a whitewash
of an Indian Test team in more than in a
more than two Test series. I mean, that's quite a
remarkable record that India fashion there over the years that
no team's ever whitewashed them, you know, three nil. That
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shows how hard it is is a place to go
and win, that doesn't.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
It made first the incredible month of sport in New
zeal And, I reckon. But then yeah, to win three
Tests in India, not just one. To win three and
win a series against Indian India, that's a plinnicle, I reckon,
and a lot of those guys career and extremely hard
to do. I can't explain how hard it is to
play in India. Just the elements offt Field things like that.
(01:09):
Behind the scenes. It's an incredible Series one and the
Test Championship Final, Dream Store Life.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, we discussed it on the show.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
I don't know if you know, but Jeremy managed to
get Richard Hadley's phone number and he's now been pissing
Richard Hadley via text message. And when they won, he
was in a backward and forwards with Richard Hadley till
ten to thirty last night. The victory was at eight
point thirty and he was he's been going backwards and
forwards and he's got a spring in his step where
that I've ever seen before ever. I don't know what
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it is, but something happened. Something happened between him and
Pedals via text me.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Pedals had an interesting take on it because he thought
the amazing thing was that we not only beating in there.
He said, what an amazing achievement it was, because he said,
I tried a number of times and I think he
won eighty eight. I think they won a Test and
was it Bangalore maybe, But he said the amazing thing
was that we beat them with our spinners. And he said,
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that's just it feels like such a strange thing to
beat them bowling, the New Zealand team beating India with spin.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
We are getting so much better. We've got facilities now
that's up to scratch. I reckon with the rest of
the world. That's taken long, but they have the marquee
in the mound, and there's a marquee I think in
pretty much every association now where they can similate conditions
to get close to what you're going to experience over there,
can train accordingly. And we've got now world class spinners
who've got experience of playing in India before, like Ages
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Bittal has played a number of teats now in subcontinent.
Glen Phillips have played in India a lot. Now quality
players have been there and know what to come across
and that experience is huge. It already puts you I
guess that little stead ahead and then to go and
do it. There's another thing to get lucky. And when
three tosses and a rows bloody brilliant tom lay from
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as well.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
They comes in handy too.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
But hey, regardless of winning a TOSSI going to get
ones on the board and then and then bowl them
out and the quality out from their own conditions and
not just in their own conditions. They showed you know
that they went away from home to the formidable team
and to.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Do that it's huge.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
So this is a massive moment in his Zealand cricket
and hopefully keep continuing with this.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah do you miss it?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I do, mate, watching that you biting your nails last
night And that's the hardest film always cricket.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Watch it.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
It's way easier to being there and in the midst
of it then yeah, sitting here watching it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
So yeah, do miss it?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Although you I mean you obviously you miss being a
part of the team in that situation. But it would
have been tough because I mean, well, I or how
many overs did he bowl in that test?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Believes kick give me on that lite?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Why did they bother like the well enjoy the sweetest
beer there? No going on fairly down thing. No, you know,
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
He'll be He would have been chomming the bit to
to want to bowl and you know, play a part
in contribute. And that's the toughest thing about those conditions.
You've got to sit there.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And and you want to be a part of it.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
You want to sort of get stuck in and play
your part, but sitting back and going, hey, the conditions
are favoring these other guys and having to make a decision.
It's tough, and you know you're happy for your mates.
And that's why I say that beer would have tasted
bloody sweet last night, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah. Well, you know you've been to in the number
of times, you know exactly what it's like.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
What is actually the heart?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Obviously you've got the weather, which is kind of unusual
for New Zealanders, although you grew up in South Africa
you know about a bit of heat, but for a
lot of New Zealanders playing And what was what felt
like forty degrees? I said it was thirty seven? Felt
like forty. What's the hardest bit though? Is it the weather?
Is it the pictures? Is it the is it the
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other bits around the game?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Living in weirdness?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I think the first thing is they are getting a
bit more westernized. Well, the hotels are getting better now
with food that you can actually eat better stuff and
it's reliable.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
When you first get that.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I was never a good spicy food eater, a fan
of it, but after about four tours of India, cheesy
love spicy curry.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
You get yes to it pretty quickly.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
But yeah, so eating spicy food and sometimes your guts
sort of go. I mean the spice and breakfast. You
get an omelet with bloody chilies going around, which is
not the easiest thing to deal with. But that's the noise.
You go to the hotel, you go to sleep. It's
like that city gets alive at night. So when you
go to bed at ten o'clock, you just hed tiktooks
outside beeping around and fire was going off or something
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going on.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I remember the one there was a massive.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Just about ten straight dogs running around barking outside your
window the one night. The whole day you're waking up
at four am with.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Some other noises.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Sleep is sometimes hard. And then, like I say, you're
dealing with the so a little bit so and that
drains your body with that heat, like you've got to
come up the next day and run in and performing
bowl And I remember a teas and cocado we played.
I lost about full k Jesus in one session, so
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changed my clothes twice. It felt like you just jumped
in the swimming pool your with your white's on. Wow.
So it's ridiculous that you deal with that. You saw
Daryl Mitchell the other day sitting on a couch. You
just can't explain. When you sweet and you start cramping
and fatiguing like that, you literally just feel like fainting.
It's it's incredible to try and saw a hold the bat,
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get down on knee and try and sweep and try
and get yourself in the other ends.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
It's brutal.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Well, it's hard enough just playing. It's not enough betting.
That's a hard thing to do. But betting and that
sort of heat. Oh man, well, this was bizarre about.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
We're just talking about Willow Rawk's situation with one of
the easier spells. You're famous new Worgnif and maybe not
bowling the easiest of spells over your career. Has the
body feeling now? Is it?
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Is it feeling genuinely ruined? Because it was unfortunately something
that may be fortunate for you, but it always felt
like like if in doubt wags, where is he throwing
the ball and it's trying to get something. There's something
happening here. You had to bowl a lot of intense spells,
long spells as well.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
My body feels okay, but I mean throughout my whole career,
you always had niggles. You're always had something that's sore
or you got to deal with.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Do you ever feel like you were when you're when
you were bowling spell.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I don't think so, oh wow.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
I think you're always dealing with something and all those
guys do Tim Selvey. I think at the moment, you know,
you'll be battling with the shoulder or something that's negally
and yeah, you know, thank goodness for physiasm, the work.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
They put in.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
But in my book, I write about a t smatch
a Centurion, which is the ground I grew up at.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And I remember in.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
The bus sitting on my fist like in my back
like this is this massive spasm, trying to get it
down and my back just didn't feel right.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And I was about, you know, seconds away to go.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Into cane, going mate, I don't think I should play it,
And you think about I don't want to let the
team down, things like that, But you just got to
find a way and you know, dig deep and you know, yeah,
painkillers and get on of it and and then you're
surprised by how much you can push your body through
it's just, you know, it's amazing. When you get in
the fight and a drilling and kicks over, you know
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you're going to have pain afterwards and soreness, and the
two or three days recovery is going to be bloody tough.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
But you make it worse on the end of it.
But that's just the nature of the.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Beast as a fast baller, that you can have niggles
and pains and stuff to deal with.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I've never I've never felt one hundred percent and I
don't even play sport.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I wake up, I wake up every day, not a hundred.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
I can sympathize with you X. You know, athlete to
athlete a lot of mental pain on going through.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Did you ever so when you were bowling a spell?
Did you ever say to the captain I'm done? Did
you did you ever once tell the captain that you
just that you need to take a spell now to
have a break.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
There's a funny Young Cain hated it, but I always
just keept going one more, one more famous thing more,
and Caine is just like, no, You've had enough, Like
that's it just stop.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
No, I was.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I don't think I've ever got to a point where
I was like, nah, no, that's it, I'm done.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, always just wanted the ball.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I think you're going to have to if you if
you go through those sort of things, you've got to
try and find a way.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
But there was a pleasure doing it.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
You had a great bunch of mates and people around
you who motivated you to do that sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
It started with Brenda McCallum. He was backbone of it,
the leader of the pack, I guess in that way.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
And yeah, it created this sumvironment where everybody wanted to
run for a brick wall for each other. And it
made it easy to have those blisters and your toes
or saw bodies and aches and pains and bulging disc
in the back. It's sort of hurting and binding through
its as part of part of parcel of the gig.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
So you've got your books and your books out taught
me through cricketing books and cricketing kind of what the biographies.
It's compulsory to have a cricket analogy in there. Obviously
got Glenn Turner's Lifting the Covers.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
That was about Dutch ovens.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Then you got Davatory's turning point over that one, and
it was Bears mccullumbs one.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Balance of Power, Stephen Fleming Balance of Power.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Christmas and Rara tong is about the only one from John.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Is the Cleared. I think it was called Cleared.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah did you did you have to have a brainstorm
before coming up with with your one?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
No, it was a tough one. I didn't want to
write a book. I was like, pretty be against that.
The guy I wrote I wrote it, James Brodell, he
harped on and and you know, I guess begged me
for a while.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And after I retired, I saund the.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Deck and I had about seven whiskies and yeah, well interally,
yeah past the point and I was long discussion. My
wife I said let's do it, and I wrung him
up and said, hey, get on the paper because I've
probably changed my mind tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Again this and and blimey.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
It was.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
It was a process.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I've got a lot of respect for people to write
a book. It's definitely not easy.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
It was.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
It was pretty tough at times, and you've got to
open up with things that these things in there that
some of my best mates and family members don't know
about me, that I had to bring them.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Up and sort of give them heads up to say, hey,
this is sort of what.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I went through or what happened, and what are you
going to read about, And then the rest of it
is pretty much just giving a bit of a background.
I think that people will maybe understand why my veins
popped and blood he shouted, there's going crazy when I
take a wicket. It will sort of give a little
bit of a background as to why.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Probably, so, I hope.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I mean every in my opinion, every good cricketing autobiography
or biography has to settle some scores, like I really
hope that you've gone Back in the nineteen eighties, it
was like those guys. Basically, Jeremy Coney wrote The Playing
Man shadow over Richard Hadley was like, you know, about
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seven books deep by that stage, after Handley had out
Handley at the double.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Don't forget Hadley's humor, Handley's.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Humor, rhythm and swing, and then he hit had about
seven different goals that people over the years, and of
course John Wright comes out with Christmas Smithy's drummer in
the band.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
You know, like, I hope yours settle.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I hope you ship on some of your teammates. That's
all I'm going to say, I hope you settled some
scores for people that did some things to you over
the years that you were not happy about.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
No, there's not really much is that. There's just honest
truth in there. There's something it might give a good
little bit of context. So a little bit of a oops.
In my last match, I gave Tom Sali the finger
and a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Had got a little bit blown out of proportion.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
In the media and deserves a lot, honestly, he did,
to be honest to give you a context behind it.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I forgot about that.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
It was the worst time when it happened, with the
whole time thing, it sparked up a bit in the media.
But yeah, Salvy called me the worst fielding's in a
cricket and you see where you've been hiding. You've only
taken seveny He catches your career mate, and so he's
a He bowled a half volley and it got pumped
past me a cover and I didn't stop it, and
he was like, what the hell are you doing fielding there?
And I said, stop calling half volley's mate. So he
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sent me to freaking find leg.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
And then it's such a schoolboy thing to do.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
So so mate so much and then yeah, top Edge
gone to find leg and I caught it, and Salvy.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Came, oh congressilas congressionately sixteen catch and one.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I flipped on the bird job got around everywhere, so job.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Just a couple of mates having a little bit of
ecn't it exactly? When Vittori was my schoolboy captain and
we're good mates, but we used to I used to
give him of ship. He used to see me from
fine league to find league like rather the field to
the other and every time across the so it happens.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I spent too much time to give it exactly. Yeah,
I want to.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
I want to check his jeans because whether he's some
sort of spawn of the Tory potentially could be.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Before we let you go, I have to ask you
one of my favorite kind of crocketting memories of the last
couple years was the game against England beginning of twenty
twenty three where you strangled James Innoson down the league side.
Was it with one run they had to get? In
terms of memories, Slash, what was happening that day? Slash?
You're talking before about always bawling on were over because
it felt like that day that was what was going
on as chez Niels is going to go again here
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must been one of the one of the bigger moments
of your career for sure.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, it was just with the whole series.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Brenda mccullumson in the change rooms, you know, knowing everything
about you and you sort of just knew looking up
the balcony, you know, when they beat us in the
first east of the little smirk on the face was
just like really getting me. And yeah, they all played
us in the mound and go on the right side
of obviously the ping ball at night and things like that,
but just the way they played, aggressive nature, coming out
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and taking the game on and we were right against
it to some of the change room, and when we
got made to follow on. I remember walking out to
bat and I got out and sort of running off
the field thinking she's not going to have to strap
my boots on young bowl and it's pretty tough and
the basin heavy outfield, heavy breeze now stuff when and
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I remember being ducky looking at me going relax, mate,
you guys are banning again.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
So I was like, what.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
You're taking the puss and he goes, yeah, now you're
banging again. I sort of turned around and Joe rud
goes yeah, and I go, you're meiling me and he
goes nah. I said, glorious.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Game, looking at me going what the hell?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
And I walked in that change room and you know,
every run we were so obviously like I'm not a
superstitious guy, but we all just sat in one spot
said do not move, do not move.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I kept saying like, mate, we get somebody runs and
getting the many runs, were winning the seats, winning the teas,
and Tim keeps saying, shut up, just relax. I'm like, mate,
we are doing this. And the belief in the change
was just there the whole time that you know, we
can turn this around. And obviously, yeah, the eff and
flows of that game, getting a couple of wickets and
look like we're in control, and then partnership with them
coming again and swing in their favor, and when we
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got the work at of Stokes and Rude, I sort
of felt like, okay, this.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Is that we've got this in the bag.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
And then cheap as James Anderson comes down and pumps
one through Cane's legs and I thought, it's just not
meant to be. And again, like just the emotions that
flow with the game. You've got to pick yourself up
and try and find a way and to do it
and winning with one run strength.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Pretty pretty special. Memory made one up there in the
photo to frame the bar Man cave one day.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Is it any better feeling than bowling your team to
a test victory?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Like? Is that?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Is that not the best? That must have the best
thing in the world.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's the best feeling.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
But the best feeling is Mate, sitting in the change
them afterwards, drinking beersing, Mate, seeing the smiles in their faces.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
That's the thing you're going to remember.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Favorite.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I remember I had my kids in Canead, these kids
in the changing room and we're all sitting there and
enjoying a couple of I always called frosty tubes, Mate,
and the change with the lads. It's that's that's the
memories you're going to you know, that's the ones you
miss the most. Like I say, I mean the hours
down now and hopefully those guys are.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Still going in there.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I'm pretty sure they will be a couple of kingfishes flying, Mate,
but well, yeah, that's the stuff you miss. They're sitting
in your dirty whites, you know, with your maids still
the late hours, you know, yearning chewing the fat.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, for a couple of tubes.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Because you talk us through that, because we were just
tending to Mike kissing this morning and year about that,
Like what what do you what do you do after
you've won a test match? Because you want a test match?
What do you talk about? Because there's quite a lot
of time you're talking, like ten hours of celebrations afterwards,
What the hell are you talking about for ten hours?
Surely you just want to go home and sort of
have a risk because I mean you've been playing cricket
for five days. It's physically demanding.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Mate.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Yeah, I've got some stories, but all day talk about
the game. Yeah no, because you get to a point
where you just stuff. You don't want to talk about
the game. There's sometimes you know, some little I guess
moments we go gosh, how good was this?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
How good was that?
Speaker 4 (18:03):
You know? And Buddy could have stuffed up with that,
Like as little moments you talk about and then quickly
gets bucked up and you just you know, talk about
everything life moments and everyone has got different things they
start yelling about, but you just enjoy each other's company.
I guess that's where you learn the most of each
other as well. But one year, you know, we got
beer pong out and there was a disgrace. But then
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Tom Latham decided stack Cup. I've never heard of my
life about stack Cup, and oh my goodness when Abu
Dhabi and playing stack Cup.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
And I got absolutely ruined.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I remember Tim calling me a prossy for climbing out
of the game, and then he faded.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
He faded out just after me. I was sleeping on
the table mate after a while.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
But I remember trying to stack this ball into the
cup and the wall fell on the ground and Tom
Naths was trying to kick it away and I've gone
down to pick it up and I've just naled my
head on the table, just absolutely. Next thing, Term's pushing
into the corner to try and stack it and then
oh mate, I ate it down and I was just like,
that's me. I'm calling quitz terms like course you can't
keep back in the game. Next thing, he was hugging
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the balls.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Classic sixty camel, So yeah, it's it's bloody good mate.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
That's the memories we'll never forget. Bj Wattling is mate.
He was just the bloody blue of that team. After
Wilti's championship final, we had a couple of amazing celebrations
and a few boys decided at about five am, they
just want to go and have a little bit of
a bit of a sleep, you know, before getting on
the long flight to do two weeks quarantine.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
And he's in and we arrived and.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Yeah, at about eight o'clock, I had this banging noise
in my door and we had this interconnecting room and
myself and Bolty at the door sort of half opened.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Boult He's like, don't open it, don't open it, don't
open it.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
And Baulty ran like little girls shut his door and
I've gone a helly over lock and here's Bjo Wattling.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Open it up.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
He's got the warmest Australia be anything out of the
brown bottle.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You know it's not good.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
So gives us warm as beer in my hand and
he just gone up and he's got a broken finger
and he goes.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
You've got two weeks of sleep in quarantine, puss.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
He wake up and he pulls his curtain, ripped it off,
the whole thing in his seat.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
We're getting back on it.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Great.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
So your book is out tomorrow, Neil Wagner. You can
purchase that at All Good Books. I've read the first
three chapters, still feeling we're still in South Africa at
the moment. I actually haven't made it to the proper
cricket part. I'm just reading you dropping it shit to
your brother in the driveway.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Can I say it like they're all out? You could
have I reckon just short of a length could have
been better. Short of a length could have been good
or tropeball.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
We did say that, but we thought it was going
to be just a little bit too obvious anything with
its bouncer related.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
We thought it was going to be a little bit
too obvious.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
It was a few a few words, but I thought
it all out, you know, there's there's literally I don't
think I'm leaving anything behind.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Everything. Everything is coming out.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
And also as a player, I just went all out,
you know, trying to give everything for the team and
trying to contribute.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
And I thought it was pretty fitting. But yeah, thank you,
that's you followed.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
You followed in the fine tradition of cricketing analogies and autobiography.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
So well done.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, thanks for coming in, Neil Wagner, looking forward to
reading the book. And and yeah as a as a
person to watch as a cricket New Zealand cricket fan,
so much joy watching new Steam and oh yeah, and
so good to have a guy who was prepared just
to dig it in at opposition batsman who never liked it.
So good to have that guy on our team. Finally,
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a guy on our team like that. So thank you
for everything you've done on behalf of New Zealand cricket
fans and best of luck with whatever you decide.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
To do next. Thanks mate, appreciate that boy. Guys,
Welcome along to the unnamed podcast. It's Monday, the fourth
of November twenty twenty four. A sec to hear g
Lanes with us.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yes, good morning, good afternoon, good day. Where are you
joining us?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
And Neil Wagner is with us now? Thanks having you guys,
Oh so good.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
To have you, so good to have you.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Off the back of what happened last night.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Even winning their first ever Test series, well they already
won the Test series, but the first of a whitewash
of an Indian Test team in more than in a
more than two Test series. I mean, that's quite a
remarkable record that India fashion there over the years that
no team's ever whitewashed them, you know, three nil. That
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shows how hard it is is a place to go
and win, that doesn't.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
It made first the incredible month of sport in New
zeal And, I reckon. But then yeah, to win three
Tests in India, not just one. To win three and
win a series against Indian India, that's a plinnicle, I reckon,
and a lot of those guys career and extremely hard
to do. I can't explain how hard it is to
play in India. Just the elements offt Field things like that.
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Behind the scenes. It's an incredible Series one and the
Test Championship Final, Dream Store Life.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, we discussed it on the show.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
I don't know if you know, but Jeremy managed to
get Richard Hadley's phone number and he's now been pissing
Richard Hadley via text message. And when they won, he
was in a backward and forwards with Richard Hadley till
ten to thirty last night. The victory was at eight
point thirty and he was he's been going backwards and
forwards and he's got a spring in his step where
that I've ever seen before ever. I don't know what
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it is, but something happened. Something happened between him and
Pedals via text me.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Pedals had an interesting take on it because he thought
the amazing thing was that we not only beating in there.
He said, what an amazing achievement it was, because he said,
I tried a number of times and I think he
won eighty eight. I think they won a Test and
was it Bangalore maybe, But he said the amazing thing
was that we beat them with our spinners. And he said,
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that's just it feels like such a strange thing to
beat them bowling, the New Zealand team beating India with spin.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
We are getting so much better. We've got facilities now
that's up to scratch. I reckon with the rest of
the world. That's taken long, but they have the marquee
in the mound, and there's a marquee I think in
pretty much every association now where they can similate conditions
to get close to what you're going to experience over there,
can train accordingly. And we've got now world class spinners
who've got experience of playing in India before, like Ages
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Bittal has played a number of teats now in subcontinent.
Glen Phillips have played in India a lot. Now quality
players have been there and know what to come across
and that experience is huge. It already puts you I
guess that little stead ahead and then to go and
do it. There's another thing to get lucky. And when
three tosses and a rows bloody brilliant tom lay from
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as well.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
They comes in handy too.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
But hey, regardless of winning a TOSSI going to get
ones on the board and then and then bowl them
out and the quality out from their own conditions and
not just in their own conditions. They showed you know
that they went away from home to the formidable team
and to.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Do that it's huge.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
So this is a massive moment in his Zealand cricket
and hopefully keep continuing with this.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah do you miss it?
Speaker 4 (03:17):
I do, mate, watching that you biting your nails last
night And that's the hardest film always cricket.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Watch it.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
It's way easier to being there and in the midst
of it then yeah, sitting here watching it.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
So yeah, do miss it?
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Although you I mean you obviously you miss being a
part of the team in that situation. But it would
have been tough because I mean, well, I or how
many overs did he bowl in that test?
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Believes kick give me on that lite?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Why did they bother like the well enjoy the sweetest
beer there? No going on fairly down thing. No, you know,
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
He'll be He would have been chomming the bit to
to want to bowl and you know, play a part
in contribute. And that's the toughest thing about those conditions.
You've got to sit there.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And and you want to be a part of it.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
You want to sort of get stuck in and play
your part, but sitting back and going, hey, the conditions
are favoring these other guys and having to make a decision.
It's tough, and you know you're happy for your mates.
And that's why I say that beer would have tasted
bloody sweet last night, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah. Well, you know you've been to in the number
of times, you know exactly what it's like.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
What is actually the heart?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Obviously you've got the weather, which is kind of unusual
for New Zealanders, although you grew up in South Africa
you know about a bit of heat, but for a
lot of New Zealanders playing And what was what felt
like forty degrees? I said it was thirty seven? Felt
like forty. What's the hardest bit though? Is it the weather?
Is it the pictures? Is it the is it the
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other bits around the game?
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Living in weirdness?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I think the first thing is they are getting a
bit more westernized. Well, the hotels are getting better now
with food that you can actually eat better stuff and
it's reliable.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
When you first get that.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
I was never a good spicy food eater, a fan
of it, but after about four tours of India, cheesy
love spicy curry.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
You get yes to it pretty quickly.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
But yeah, so eating spicy food and sometimes your guts
sort of go. I mean the spice and breakfast. You
get an omelet with bloody chilies going around, which is
not the easiest thing to deal with. But that's the noise.
You go to the hotel, you go to sleep. It's
like that city gets alive at night. So when you
go to bed at ten o'clock, you just hed tiktooks
outside beeping around and fire was going off or something
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going on.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
I remember the one there was a massive.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Just about ten straight dogs running around barking outside your
window the one night. The whole day you're waking up
at four am with.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Some other noises.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Sleep is sometimes hard. And then, like I say, you're
dealing with the so a little bit so and that
drains your body with that heat, like you've got to
come up the next day and run in and performing
bowl And I remember a teas and cocado we played.
I lost about full k Jesus in one session, so
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changed my clothes twice. It felt like you just jumped
in the swimming pool your with your white's on. Wow.
So it's ridiculous that you deal with that. You saw
Daryl Mitchell the other day sitting on a couch. You
just can't explain. When you sweet and you start cramping
and fatiguing like that, you literally just feel like fainting.
It's it's incredible to try and saw a hold the bat,
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get down on knee and try and sweep and try
and get yourself in the other ends.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
It's brutal.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Well, it's hard enough just playing. It's not enough betting.
That's a hard thing to do. But betting and that
sort of heat. Oh man, well, this was bizarre about.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
We're just talking about Willow Rawk's situation with one of
the easier spells. You're famous new Worgnif and maybe not
bowling the easiest of spells over your career. Has the
body feeling now? Is it?
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Is it feeling genuinely ruined? Because it was unfortunately something
that may be fortunate for you, but it always felt
like like if in doubt wags, where is he throwing
the ball and it's trying to get something. There's something
happening here. You had to bowl a lot of intense spells,
long spells as well.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
My body feels okay, but I mean throughout my whole career,
you always had niggles. You're always had something that's sore
or you got to deal with.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Do you ever feel like you were when you're when
you were bowling spell.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I don't think so, oh wow.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
I think you're always dealing with something and all those
guys do Tim Selvey. I think at the moment, you know,
you'll be battling with the shoulder or something that's negally
and yeah, you know, thank goodness for physiasm, the work.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
They put in.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
But in my book, I write about a t smatch
a Centurion, which is the ground I grew up at.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And I remember in.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
The bus sitting on my fist like in my back
like this is this massive spasm, trying to get it
down and my back just didn't feel right.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And I was about, you know, seconds away to go.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Into cane, going mate, I don't think I should play it,
And you think about I don't want to let the
team down, things like that, But you just got to
find a way and you know, dig deep and you know, yeah,
painkillers and get on of it and and then you're
surprised by how much you can push your body through
it's just, you know, it's amazing. When you get in
the fight and a drilling and kicks over, you know
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you're going to have pain afterwards and soreness, and the
two or three days recovery is going to be bloody tough.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
But you make it worse on the end of it.
But that's just the nature of the.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Beast as a fast baller, that you can have niggles
and pains and stuff to deal with.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I've never I've never felt one hundred percent and I
don't even play sport.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
I wake up, I wake up every day, not a hundred.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
I can sympathize with you X. You know, athlete to
athlete a lot of mental pain on going through.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Did you ever so when you were bowling a spell?
Did you ever say to the captain I'm done? Did
you did you ever once tell the captain that you
just that you need to take a spell now to
have a break.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
There's a funny Young Cain hated it, but I always
just keept going one more, one more famous thing more,
and Caine is just like, no, You've had enough, Like
that's it just stop.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
No, I was.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I don't think I've ever got to a point where
I was like, nah, no, that's it, I'm done.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, always just wanted the ball.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I think you're going to have to if you if
you go through those sort of things, you've got to
try and find a way.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
But there was a pleasure doing it.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
You had a great bunch of mates and people around
you who motivated you to do that sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
It started with Brenda McCallum. He was backbone of it,
the leader of the pack, I guess in that way.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
And yeah, it created this sumvironment where everybody wanted to
run for a brick wall for each other. And it
made it easy to have those blisters and your toes
or saw bodies and aches and pains and bulging disc
in the back. It's sort of hurting and binding through
its as part of part of parcel of the gig.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
So you've got your books and your books out taught
me through cricketing books and cricketing kind of what the biographies.
It's compulsory to have a cricket analogy in there. Obviously
got Glenn Turner's Lifting the Covers.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
That was about Dutch ovens.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Then you got Davatory's turning point over that one, and
it was Bears mccullumbs one.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Balance of Power, Stephen Fleming Balance of Power.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Christmas and Rara tong is about the only one from John.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Is the Cleared. I think it was called Cleared.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yeah did you did you have to have a brainstorm
before coming up with with your one?
Speaker 4 (10:26):
No, it was a tough one. I didn't want to
write a book. I was like, pretty be against that.
The guy I wrote I wrote it, James Brodell, he
harped on and and you know, I guess begged me
for a while.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And after I retired, I saund the.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Deck and I had about seven whiskies and yeah, well interally,
yeah past the point and I was long discussion. My
wife I said let's do it, and I wrung him
up and said, hey, get on the paper because I've
probably changed my mind tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Again this and and blimey.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
It was.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
It was a process.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
I've got a lot of respect for people to write
a book. It's definitely not easy.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
It was.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
It was pretty tough at times, and you've got to
open up with things that these things in there that
some of my best mates and family members don't know
about me, that I had to bring them.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Up and sort of give them heads up to say, hey,
this is sort of what.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I went through or what happened, and what are you
going to read about, And then the rest of it
is pretty much just giving a bit of a background.
I think that people will maybe understand why my veins
popped and blood he shouted, there's going crazy when I
take a wicket. It will sort of give a little
bit of a background as to why.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Probably, so, I hope.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I mean every in my opinion, every good cricketing autobiography
or biography has to settle some scores, like I really
hope that you've gone Back in the nineteen eighties, it
was like those guys. Basically, Jeremy Coney wrote The Playing
Man shadow over Richard Hadley was like, you know, about
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seven books deep by that stage, after Handley had out
Handley at the double.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Don't forget Hadley's humor, Handley's.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Humor, rhythm and swing, and then he hit had about
seven different goals that people over the years, and of
course John Wright comes out with Christmas Smithy's drummer in
the band.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
You know, like, I hope yours settle.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I hope you ship on some of your teammates. That's
all I'm going to say, I hope you settled some
scores for people that did some things to you over
the years that you were not happy about.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
No, there's not really much is that. There's just honest
truth in there. There's something it might give a good
little bit of context. So a little bit of a oops.
In my last match, I gave Tom Sali the finger
and a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Had got a little bit blown out of proportion.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
In the media and deserves a lot, honestly, he did,
to be honest to give you a context behind it.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
I forgot about that.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
It was the worst time when it happened, with the
whole time thing, it sparked up a bit in the media.
But yeah, Salvy called me the worst fielding's in a
cricket and you see where you've been hiding. You've only
taken seveny He catches your career mate, and so he's
a He bowled a half volley and it got pumped
past me a cover and I didn't stop it, and
he was like, what the hell are you doing fielding there?
And I said, stop calling half volley's mate. So he
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sent me to freaking find leg.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
And then it's such a schoolboy thing to do.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
So so mate so much and then yeah, top Edge
gone to find leg and I caught it, and Salvy.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Came, oh congressilas congressionately sixteen catch and one.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I flipped on the bird job got around everywhere, so job.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Just a couple of mates having a little bit of
ecn't it exactly? When Vittori was my schoolboy captain and
we're good mates, but we used to I used to
give him of ship. He used to see me from
fine league to find league like rather the field to
the other and every time across the so it happens.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I spent too much time to give it exactly. Yeah,
I want to.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
I want to check his jeans because whether he's some
sort of spawn of the Tory potentially could be.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Before we let you go, I have to ask you
one of my favorite kind of crocketting memories of the last
couple years was the game against England beginning of twenty
twenty three where you strangled James Innoson down the league side.
Was it with one run they had to get? In
terms of memories, Slash, what was happening that day? Slash?
You're talking before about always bawling on were over because
it felt like that day that was what was going
on as chez Niels is going to go again here
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must been one of the one of the bigger moments
of your career for sure.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, it was just with the whole series.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Brenda mccullumson in the change rooms, you know, knowing everything
about you and you sort of just knew looking up
the balcony, you know, when they beat us in the
first east of the little smirk on the face was
just like really getting me. And yeah, they all played
us in the mound and go on the right side
of obviously the ping ball at night and things like that,
but just the way they played, aggressive nature, coming out
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and taking the game on and we were right against
it to some of the change room, and when we
got made to follow on. I remember walking out to
bat and I got out and sort of running off
the field thinking she's not going to have to strap
my boots on young bowl and it's pretty tough and
the basin heavy outfield, heavy breeze now stuff when and
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I remember being ducky looking at me going relax, mate,
you guys are banning again.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
So I was like, what.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
You're taking the puss and he goes, yeah, now you're
banging again. I sort of turned around and Joe rud
goes yeah, and I go, you're meiling me and he
goes nah. I said, glorious.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Game, looking at me going what the hell?
Speaker 4 (15:33):
And I walked in that change room and you know,
every run we were so obviously like I'm not a
superstitious guy, but we all just sat in one spot
said do not move, do not move.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I kept saying like, mate, we get somebody runs and
getting the many runs, were winning the seats, winning the teas,
and Tim keeps saying, shut up, just relax. I'm like, mate,
we are doing this. And the belief in the change
was just there the whole time that you know, we
can turn this around. And obviously, yeah, the eff and
flows of that game, getting a couple of wickets and
look like we're in control, and then partnership with them
coming again and swing in their favor, and when we
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got the work at of Stokes and Rude, I sort
of felt like, okay, this.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Is that we've got this in the bag.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
And then cheap as James Anderson comes down and pumps
one through Cane's legs and I thought, it's just not
meant to be. And again, like just the emotions that
flow with the game. You've got to pick yourself up
and try and find a way and to do it
and winning with one run strength.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Pretty pretty special. Memory made one up there in the
photo to frame the bar Man cave one day.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Is it any better feeling than bowling your team to
a test victory?
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Like? Is that?
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Is that not the best? That must have the best
thing in the world.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
It's the best feeling.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
But the best feeling is Mate, sitting in the change
them afterwards, drinking beersing, Mate, seeing the smiles in their faces.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
That's the thing you're going to remember.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Favorite.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I remember I had my kids in Canead, these kids
in the changing room and we're all sitting there and
enjoying a couple of I always called frosty tubes, Mate,
and the change with the lads. It's that's that's the
memories you're going to you know, that's the ones you
miss the most. Like I say, I mean the hours
down now and hopefully those guys are.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Still going in there.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
I'm pretty sure they will be a couple of kingfishes flying, Mate,
but well, yeah, that's the stuff you miss. They're sitting
in your dirty whites, you know, with your maids still
the late hours, you know, yearning chewing the fat.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, for a couple of tubes.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Because you talk us through that, because we were just
tending to Mike kissing this morning and year about that,
Like what what do you what do you do after
you've won a test match? Because you want a test match?
What do you talk about? Because there's quite a lot
of time you're talking, like ten hours of celebrations afterwards,
What the hell are you talking about for ten hours?
Surely you just want to go home and sort of
have a risk because I mean you've been playing cricket
for five days. It's physically demanding.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Mate.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Yeah, I've got some stories, but all day talk about
the game. Yeah no, because you get to a point
where you just stuff. You don't want to talk about
the game. There's sometimes you know, some little I guess
moments we go gosh, how good was this?
Speaker 3 (18:02):
How good was that?
Speaker 4 (18:03):
You know? And Buddy could have stuffed up with that,
Like as little moments you talk about and then quickly
gets bucked up and you just you know, talk about
everything life moments and everyone has got different things they
start yelling about, but you just enjoy each other's company.
I guess that's where you learn the most of each
other as well. But one year, you know, we got
beer pong out and there was a disgrace. But then
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Tom Latham decided stack Cup. I've never heard of my
life about stack Cup, and oh my goodness when Abu
Dhabi and playing stack Cup.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
And I got absolutely ruined.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I remember Tim calling me a prossy for climbing out
of the game, and then he faded.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
He faded out just after me. I was sleeping on
the table mate after a while.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
But I remember trying to stack this ball into the
cup and the wall fell on the ground and Tom
Naths was trying to kick it away and I've gone
down to pick it up and I've just naled my
head on the table, just absolutely. Next thing, Term's pushing
into the corner to try and stack it and then
oh mate, I ate it down and I was just like,
that's me. I'm calling quitz terms like course you can't
keep back in the game. Next thing, he was hugging
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the balls.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
Classic sixty camel, So yeah, it's it's bloody good mate.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
That's the memories we'll never forget. Bj Wattling is mate.
He was just the bloody blue of that team. After
Wilti's championship final, we had a couple of amazing celebrations
and a few boys decided at about five am, they
just want to go and have a little bit of
a bit of a sleep, you know, before getting on
the long flight to do two weeks quarantine.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
And he's in and we arrived and.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Yeah, at about eight o'clock, I had this banging noise
in my door and we had this interconnecting room and
myself and Bolty at the door sort of half opened.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Boult He's like, don't open it, don't open it, don't
open it.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
And Baulty ran like little girls shut his door and
I've gone a helly over lock and here's Bjo Wattling.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Open it up.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
He's got the warmest Australia be anything out of the
brown bottle.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
You know it's not good.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
So gives us warm as beer in my hand and
he just gone up and he's got a broken finger
and he goes.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
You've got two weeks of sleep in quarantine, puss.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
He wake up and he pulls his curtain, ripped it off,
the whole thing in his seat.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
We're getting back on it.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Great.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
So your book is out tomorrow, Neil Wagner. You can
purchase that at All Good Books. I've read the first
three chapters, still feeling we're still in South Africa at
the moment. I actually haven't made it to the proper
cricket part. I'm just reading you dropping it shit to
your brother in the driveway.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Can I say it like they're all out? You could
have I reckon just short of a length could have
been better. Short of a length could have been good
or tropeball.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
We did say that, but we thought it was going
to be just a little bit too obvious anything with
its bouncer related.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
We thought it was going to be a little bit
too obvious.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
It was a few a few words, but I thought
it all out, you know, there's there's literally I don't
think I'm leaving anything behind.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Everything. Everything is coming out.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
And also as a player, I just went all out,
you know, trying to give everything for the team and
trying to contribute.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
And I thought it was pretty fitting. But yeah, thank you,
that's you followed.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
You followed in the fine tradition of cricketing analogies and autobiography.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
So well done.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, thanks for coming in, Neil Wagner, looking forward to
reading the book. And and yeah as a as a
person to watch as a cricket New Zealand cricket fan,
so much joy watching new Steam and oh yeah, and
so good to have a guy who was prepared just
to dig it in at opposition batsman who never liked it.
So good to have that guy on our team. Finally,
(21:29):
a guy on our team like that. So thank you
for everything you've done on behalf of New Zealand cricket
fans and best of luck with whatever you decide.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
To do next. Thanks mate, appreciate that boy. Guys,
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