November 18, 2024 • 22 mins
Today on the UnNamed Podcast, Jerry is joined by sexologist Morgan Penn and Executive Producer Rooda, as they talk everything for pre-work workouts at work, to sweat lodges, to calendars featuring half naked firemen.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Okay, yeah, welcome along to the Unnamed Podcast for Tuesday,
the nineteenth of November twenty twenty four. Ruters here, Morgan
pen Is here as well.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
He really knows how to get me going with the song. Ah,
and my body just starts thrusting.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm doing a thrust under the desk.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Is it the baseline you reckon? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Something in that.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's like you're singing along but with your pelvis.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hey, Morgan, apparently you got growled out for sexualizing men.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I did.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I did lumberjacks.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh my god. You know. Well, here's the thing, right,
I'm a sex educator. I'm a sex therapist. So I
use my Instagram as a platform to bring those things
into the light spread sex positivity. So I often share
images of bodies and different parts of the bodies just
to kind of look at it like art. And you know,
(01:00):
sometimes and I sometimes call them Friday treats. Is I
will check on my algorithm that's got a lot of
men chopping wood, and then they must get quite hot
so they take their top off, which I think that's fine.
Sometimes there's some cooks and I don't know they've lost
their shirt or something that they've still got like an apron.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
On well cooks them like chefs in a kitchen.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah to yes, I feel like you could get a
fat splatter exactly. But you know, when you're moving quite
slow and central, I think it's quite safe. And then
you know, of course he's cowboys, you know, and it's
obviously quite hot and dusty, so it makes sense to
have as little clothes as possible. And firemen, you know,
(01:49):
like anyways, I think what we're saying, sir, I love
capable men. Yeah, and I like to share that.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh yeah, well, who doesn't love capable men? That's what
I would say. I mean, there must be people out
there who got some kind of kink for an uncapable man,
you know, for men who just aren't good at anything,
and that really turns someone on, just the fact that
this person's just really really useless at everything.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And I'm pleased because there is someone for everyone, isn't there.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, but I think you're right. I think there's far
less of the people who are attracted to uncapable men
than capable men.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, and I want to I want to celebrate these men,
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I think good on you, the firefighters calendar is an
interesting one. I think there's a new one that's just
out now.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yes, they've teamed up with November. Actually. And the other
day I saw these three burly hot men at reception
here and I just walked over there. Something in my
loins pulled me over to These men had muscles and
one was holding an axe, and I said, Oh, what
are you guys doing? And they're like, oh, we're here
to talk about our calendar. Oh you've done a calendar.
(02:58):
And they're like, yeah, we're fine. And I was like, oh,
there was a puddle.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
You know, the Firefighter calendar to help them. Now, it's
been going for some time, and I mean it's been
going for probably I'm going to say twenty five years. Really, yeah,
I reckon twenty five years. I was a kid. I
feel like, yeah, since oh, since we were sort of
in late teens maybe early early twenties. And the rigs
have changed a little bit over these. I mean back
(03:24):
in the early days of the Firefighters Calendar, you had
some you know, some solid working rigs. Yes, but there
wasn't the gym culture that there is now.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Oh they're a bit softer in their bodies.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, And there wasn't the nutrition knowledge that there is now?
Gotcha because I checked out the most recent calendar, the
most recent firefighters calendar, and it's like, wow, these dudes
like Chippendale's.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Absolutely they did. They look like strippers.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, it's amazing how that's changed, you know, it's it's
changed massively. I guess in terms of a profession, is
there a profession where you have more time to go
to the gym or not? I mean, if you're I
imagine that they've got gyms inside of the fire stations.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I know a police officer and they've got a gym there,
and that's part of their part of their stick, is
that they'll go to the gym all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah. I think even more so in a firefighting role
because you're waiting for a fire. Yeah, so it's not
like you're on a shift and your shift is waiting
for a fire. And if you're there and you're pumping
tin waiting for a fire, you could be pumping a
lot of tin. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Imagine if we were doing weights in between the ads.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yes. Well, a while back, mat he thinktually started an
initiative to start doing weights inside on company time because
he had an idea. He thought that it would be
funny to well, not funny, he thought that it was
actually a really really good use of time to do
a workout while we were actually, you know, doing the show,
because of course there's time in the in the songs.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
How did that go?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well? I mean, look at look at him, look at it.
I don't know if you've seen this, sorry recently, but
it went very very well, you know, struggling to put
on weight in the ass. But apart from that, see
Rudor does a little workout in the morning date you're
route it before we come in.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Well, I've actually started just doing work out at home
because I'm sick getting up at ten pass three in
the morning. I'm giving myself a sleep until accord it
to four now. Sorry, I'm just doing weights.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Come off.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Have you heard of twenty one? So you do like
seven down there, and then do seven in the upper
and then you do full seven and that's twenty one.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
How heavy is that dumbled there that you've got?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
This is ten pound each size?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I don't know, twelve kilos something like that. Obviously very
heavy bar obviously clearly yeah, I don't know. It feels
pretty good that it's like a good weight.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
That yeah, sure, because you fil you look like struggling.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
But then you could also do you could do squats.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
But if it look easeful, it's not so.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I reckon, that's not super I think it's pretty heavy.
I now, now that's bullshit.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
You reckon.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
It's bullshit, man, you're going to do the conversion pounds.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It's not twenty pounds on pounds and I was just
gonna time it kg.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Nine point I see on nine. But obviously the bell
of that dumb bell, the bar, the bar is quite heavy. Probably, yeah, definitely,
I reckon, Like you could do some overhead stuff. That's
quite good for him. That's quite good for while you're
on the radio and you can kick talking.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Hang on, like you just whipped out of the studio
picked that up. Where where is this kept and for
what purpose?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, because I have been coming in about four am
in the morning and doing a workout in studio.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
B oh my god, is this true?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Is true?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Humiliating?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
This is humiliating.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
This is the safety issue.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Just exercise, this is what this is what Rudy does.
He does a little work out here in the mornings. Yeah,
he gets a bit of a do you get a
sweet guy? Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Quite a good beat on, but sometimes as well finish
it off with a nice lie down on my shark.
He mat while listening to wim Hoff do some guided breathing.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
This is a stageous.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
This is all before we come in.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, generally wrap it up at about four forty am.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Can we just take a break and come back in
a moment. I think we need to take a break.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I need a breath.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And we're back. So yeah, we does the workouts. Sometimes
you come in it smells like a sweat lodge in then.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Only sometimes never see this.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Well that's the idea. That's why I do it early
because I don't want people to see it.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Have you guys ever done a sweet lodge? Yeah? No,
oh well Morgan, has I've done a sweet lodge?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah? Was it life changing?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I hated it.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
We knewed with other men.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, that wasn't the bit that I was because I
went to boarding school, so I wasn't so worried about
the mob the men. Although, to be honest, there's nude
with other men that you know or boys in my situation,
that you know, and then there's then and that you
know and then there's nude with men called running waters
and you know, flowing ball and things like that, and
(08:17):
then also people making weird noises in the dark and
a tp that's really really hot and you can't see
anything and you can feel someone's sweety arm beside you
and stuff. I had to get out, and that was
very much found upon that I had to exit because
I was taken there by the old havevo by Mikey
have It, who was going to the sweat Lodge, and
he goes, oh, I'm going to Sweet Lodge, you can,
(08:38):
and I'm like, I'm not really. He goes, oh, I
come around in ten minutes. Next thing you know, he's
around at my house probably about half an hour later,
and he's he's taken me out to Riverhead Forest and
there's all these blessings going on and people making these
noises and they're getting stones and they putting them and
I was like, this isn't at the time. I'm probably
more comfortable with it now. At the time, I would
(09:01):
have been twenty one.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Okay for a twenty one year old, wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I wasn't up for it.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
You do have to be very open minded and willing
to receive all the weirdness that happens in those spaces.
There was a lot of bush in mind and a
lot of chanting.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, there was some chanting in mind too, and there
was a lot and there was a stick that was
being passed around, and people were talking about their sort
of ex partners, and there was a lot of a
lot of healing going on. I think, okay, and I
didn't really have anything that I needed to heal at
that stage. I was pretty young, yeah, and I just
(09:42):
I got to a point where I felt very claustrophobic.
That was the feeling that I had. And I don't
know if you guys have ever had claustrophobia before, but
it feels like you're about to die. It's quite an
unusual sensation, even though it makes no sense. Of course,
you're not going to die, and you know you're not
going to die, especially in the dark, being in a
very confined hot space in the dark and not knowing
(10:05):
when the ends.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yes, And that's what happens with the body as well,
when there are senses. When some senses are deprived like
the site, your other senses become more online and so
it will freak you outas like if there's danger. If
your brain perceives danger, you're going to be way more reactive. Yeah,
so no wonder you were like upregulated and I'm like,
I'm out of here. Your fight or flight kicked in.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I was out of there. Yeah, and I was told that,
you know, I can't go back in. And they did
like three sessions. And the worst part was it was
in the first session and so I had to sit
around while they went in and out of this bloody
sweet lodge in the middle of the bush. That was
like three hours of my life. I'm never going to
get back.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Riverhead would have been a much different place back in
what the late nineties, early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
It was, Yes, it was late nineties, late nineties, like
nineteen ninety eight something like that. Yeah, it was. It was,
but it was right in the bush part of it.
Maybe it was Woodhill. It was right and the Okay,
I think maybe more wood Hell than Riverhead.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Because they've got quite a few mushrooms around that area
at a certain times.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, Riverhead, Yeah, they have bloody everywhere. Those mushrooms, I
tell you, Ah, everywhere turns out.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
You're for foraging.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
They are all over the shop, they're in berms. They're
in woods, they're in bermsms, street berms. Absolutely because of
all the wood chips that get brought into berms and
things that are placed around the base of gardens. A
lot of those wood chips are coming in from. No,
(11:38):
the Auckland Council did a great service to the people
of Auckland actually when they started bringing wood chips in
because they bought the spores of magic mushrooms of them. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Stopped mowing the berms though, And it's that's been a
real problem for the last ten years or so. People
can't mow their own booms and the Auckland city counts are.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Going to do it anymore. No, that's right. It'shtful. Yeah,
that's hurtful. So your sweet lodgers, So your sweet lodger
was just a whole lot of bush morgan, a.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Lot of bush, a lot of breasts, a lot of sweat.
What was beautiful was we had a man tending to
our fire, which was I thought at the time very
like being held by the masculine, so the feminine could
be free and floaty like water and be in our
full expression and chant and clap and sing. But actually
(12:27):
this guy that keept on coming in and out to
restock the fire. He was seeing some things.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Oh really he was.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
He was wasted, wasted seeing us like you're seeing the bush. Yeah,
he was a I didn't want to say it.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
He was a fire perf.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
What sort of training you have to do to be
a fire perof like we could one find and you're
seeing you see yourself as a bit of a fire perve.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Maybe a future as a fire.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Pot I just like to help things like people losing
themselves in a sweet lodge, And I think maybe it's
time for me to look at a career change to
something a bit more rewarding.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Look, I don't know if you you're pretty good at
your job. Ruder as executive producer of The Hydacky Breakfast.
I don't think you need to go into the fire perve. Realm.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
What's the money?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Like?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Do you reckon the money's good?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
More?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
No?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I think you get paid in other ways. It's a
community service.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Sometimes sometimes money is not the reward you require, though,
you know.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
What I mean. You really want to be a fire perv,
don't you. This is this is very revealing. We learned
a lot about Ruder on the show.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Don't we hear a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Sometimes it's what he doesn't say that says a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Curious.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
See he's not saying anything now, for example.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
It's probably for the best.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I think.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So, so you said lots of bush? What else was
in there?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Fire?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I think we've I think we've moved on. I think
I think we're good.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, he just keeps wanting you to repaint their picture.
We noticed.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Wow, I'm letting it go to It's all started with
me trying to figure out could we actually sexualize men
now if we're sexualizing women?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I think Look, I think men one hundred percent. I
think men are happy to be sexualized. Yes, I mean,
and if they're not.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Stiff pickies, well yeah, I mean it's an interesting thing, right.
I remember back in the day, like calendars in my
dad's workshop of like women and bikinis or lingerie draped
over motorbikes and oh look, I've got some grease on
my chest while I was fixing my car. You know,
we don't really make those calendars anymore, you know. And
(14:41):
I think, like, when I think about these men that
I'm putting on my Instagram that are chopping wood, I'm like,
they're sexualizing themselves. They're okay about this, But I guess
the argument could be said for those women on those calendars.
But now we kind of think, oh no, that's not okay.
But I guess is this because maybe women have been
appriested by men. Men have never been oppressed in the space,
(15:05):
so really can they be sexualized?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah? I see exactly what you're saying, because some people
would say, well, there's a double standard here, but there
is a double standard in society. There is a double
standard and so many things around gender and sex. Absolutely,
so I'm fine with it. I'm always fine with the
double standard. I kind of think, oh, yeah, okay, because
(15:30):
otherwise you go through looking for double standards everywhere and
you'll you'll go nuts.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Absolutely, And I do it because I'm always looking for
equality and what's right and what's wrong in these spaces.
And I haven't seen things like wedding cake toppers, you know,
where they have a woman grabbing the groom by the
neck and dragging him to the altar. You know, if
that was a man doing that to a woman, we
(15:57):
have a lot to say about it. Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I like I like what you say, Jerry about observing
these things, but not necessarily getting worked up about it.
Like there was one that I saw recently. There's a
movie with Nicole Kidman in it. Nicole Kidman's a fifty
seven year old woman, and the articles entitled I had
to stop suiting shooting a particular scene because of the
amount of orgasms I was having, And so I thought, oh,
(16:21):
I'll just have a little read into a bit more
of this thought interesting read and it was basically.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
We've done. It's good. I picked up.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
That was really good.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Clicked bait was cash miss there, and so basically she
was having simulated six with a twenty one year old guy.
And as I said, the article was about this fifty
seven year old woman on the face of it going
I've had so many orgasms that we had to stop filming.
I thought, let's imagine a fifty seven year old man said, oh,
(16:55):
I had so many orgasms simulating six with this attractive
twenty one year old girl that I had to stop filming.
And I thought up in arms, people.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Would be, yeah, right, it's true.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, But when it's Nicole Kidman along comes oh mate
ruder does a little bit of clickbaiting.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
What was that clickbaiting. That's exactly what I said, good
clickbreaking good, that's important. Yeah, I don't I don't mind.
I mean it's I think every individual is different as well.
Some some women don't want to be sexualized. I know
a lot of women who do like to be sexualized,
and they want the right. They enjoy their right to
(17:33):
be sexualized, and they have every right to be sexualized, yes,
and I think there's some people that don't. And I
think that can be confusing for some people. Yes, knowing
who to be sexualized and who's not, but you just
got to be a little bit more aware if you're
planning on sexualizing someone, and you've got to be you've
got to be smart about it and know who you
(17:53):
can and who.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
You can And it's a lot about context, right, And
like quite often I'll put on my Instagram things about lingerie,
you know, because I think lingerie can really make somebody
feel really sixy and incite those feelings. And I will
I will show up there in my lingerie to kind
of say that point. And I'll probably be getting paid
by a lingerie company as well. But you know, bye
(18:15):
and bye. But like I want to be admired, but
I don't want to be over sexualized. So it's a
really fine, tricky, really tricky, tricky area, highly nuanced.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, it's it's tricky.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
We're living in a weird time, Team, we are.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Living in the weirdest of times.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Did you know that once Morgan, I hope I don't
speak out of tune because young Mesh is not here obviously,
but once a video is made of Jerry sexualizing Mesh,
and Mesh was one hundred percent into it and he
was quite happy with it. But when that video went
up online, people complained about.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
It for what.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Was the how was he sexualized?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Really?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Remember I just remember the story. Have I made it
this up?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I don't didn't touch him with a banana or something.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Or we were walking and we were walking. It was
a thing that we did. We were walking along and
he stopped. I was walking with a banana in front
of me, and he sort of stopped and the banana
ended up going sort of up has a little bit,
you know, but not obviously he had pants on. Yeah,
(19:25):
and I was saying that, you know, that was Mash
was trying to do that. I think that's how it was.
I had the banana or he had the banana. There
was a banana and ended up sort of touching that
area and we walked and there was some security camera
footage of it, and there were some people that were
quite shocked about people. They're shocked about any gag, wasn't
they You know, I'm not sure if those people have
(19:48):
seen things that you can see online and all sorts
of stuff out there in the world. There's some sensitive
souls out there. Poor, poor I feel sorry for those
people because it must be hard.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
She loved it, did I really loved it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
She's totally she loves being sexualized.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Well, that's all that matters. If you're consenting adults, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
He absolutely loves it, but he does tell you and
when you've crossed the line, well he's done that with
me anyway. He said, look, ruder, that's too far. Can
you walk that back? And so I have to walk
it back and apologize. And that's fine because it's just
between us.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, he's I understand. He does have some boundaries. It's
around sort of mouth to gnitalia sort vibe in the workplace.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
That's fine, and we all have to have our boundaries. Yeah,
and it's good that he feels safe to really put
them in.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, he does, he does.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Well, let's hope he does. I mean he probably maybe
goes through some other things that he doesn't let us know.
Who knows, he's probably suffering in silence.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I'll chicken with him. I'll let him know I'm a
safe place.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Thank you. Yeah, that'd be great, and then tell us
on the side and they'd be breaking some confidenceially there,
but just let us know.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Just record that on your phone so that through we'll
have a listen and we'll.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Con't we do anything for contry exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
All right, Well, thanks Morgan, thanks for coming in.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
It's my pleasure for this morning.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
So nice to have you so lovely. I'm looking forward
to hearing what you're going to do next with your
six dot Life podcast when you work out what that's
going to be.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Well, I sort of thought, you know, Morgan goes into
national really, you know, like I've sort of seen the
New Zealand scene now I've started to see what's happening
over there. But we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, well, I guess it's how much more can you explore?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And alterior, Well, i'd like to talk to the cops
and the Council about glory holes and public toilets, like
how much of taxpayers money is going and replacing these
holes and walls? Does that make you curious?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, I'm quite interested in the glory hold that the
Is there one still at point Erin It's quite a
popular spot.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Rugby clubrooms are also very popular, okay, yeah, North Harbor,
North Harbor, Rugby.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Oh, North Harbor, like at the State the Albany Stadium.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I don't know North harb you North Harbor. Yeah, I
think they used to be quite popular once upon a time.
Hm hmm. Interesting, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
That's a whole nother rabbit hole. I've already taken you
down rabbit holes today.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I've been down some interesting holes.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Push paws on that nobody needs us and they love today.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Thanks Morgan, Thanks Ruder, Thanks Mate,
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Okay, yeah, welcome along to the Unnamed Podcast for Tuesday,
the nineteenth of November twenty twenty four. Ruters here, Morgan
pen Is here as well.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
He really knows how to get me going with the song. Ah,
and my body just starts thrusting.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I'm doing a thrust under the desk.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Is it the baseline you reckon? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Something in that.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It's like you're singing along but with your pelvis.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hey, Morgan, apparently you got growled out for sexualizing men.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I did.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I did lumberjacks.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh my god. You know. Well, here's the thing, right,
I'm a sex educator. I'm a sex therapist. So I
use my Instagram as a platform to bring those things
into the light spread sex positivity. So I often share
images of bodies and different parts of the bodies just
to kind of look at it like art. And you know,
(01:00):
sometimes and I sometimes call them Friday treats. Is I
will check on my algorithm that's got a lot of
men chopping wood, and then they must get quite hot
so they take their top off, which I think that's fine.
Sometimes there's some cooks and I don't know they've lost
their shirt or something that they've still got like an apron.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
On well cooks them like chefs in a kitchen.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah to yes, I feel like you could get a
fat splatter exactly. But you know, when you're moving quite
slow and central, I think it's quite safe. And then
you know, of course he's cowboys, you know, and it's
obviously quite hot and dusty, so it makes sense to
have as little clothes as possible. And firemen, you know,
(01:49):
like anyways, I think what we're saying, sir, I love
capable men. Yeah, and I like to share that.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Oh yeah, well, who doesn't love capable men? That's what
I would say. I mean, there must be people out
there who got some kind of kink for an uncapable man,
you know, for men who just aren't good at anything,
and that really turns someone on, just the fact that
this person's just really really useless at everything.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
And I'm pleased because there is someone for everyone, isn't there.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, but I think you're right. I think there's far
less of the people who are attracted to uncapable men
than capable men.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, and I want to I want to celebrate these men,
you know.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I think good on you, the firefighters calendar is an
interesting one. I think there's a new one that's just
out now.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yes, they've teamed up with November. Actually. And the other
day I saw these three burly hot men at reception
here and I just walked over there. Something in my
loins pulled me over to These men had muscles and
one was holding an axe, and I said, Oh, what
are you guys doing? And they're like, oh, we're here
to talk about our calendar. Oh you've done a calendar.
(02:58):
And they're like, yeah, we're fine. And I was like, oh,
there was a puddle.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
You know, the Firefighter calendar to help them. Now, it's
been going for some time, and I mean it's been
going for probably I'm going to say twenty five years. Really, yeah,
I reckon twenty five years. I was a kid. I
feel like, yeah, since oh, since we were sort of
in late teens maybe early early twenties. And the rigs
have changed a little bit over these. I mean back
(03:24):
in the early days of the Firefighters Calendar, you had
some you know, some solid working rigs. Yes, but there
wasn't the gym culture that there is now.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Oh they're a bit softer in their bodies.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, And there wasn't the nutrition knowledge that there is now?
Gotcha because I checked out the most recent calendar, the
most recent firefighters calendar, and it's like, wow, these dudes
like Chippendale's.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Absolutely they did. They look like strippers.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Yeah, it's amazing how that's changed, you know, it's it's
changed massively. I guess in terms of a profession, is
there a profession where you have more time to go
to the gym or not? I mean, if you're I
imagine that they've got gyms inside of the fire stations.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I know a police officer and they've got a gym there,
and that's part of their part of their stick, is
that they'll go to the gym all the time.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah. I think even more so in a firefighting role
because you're waiting for a fire. Yeah, so it's not
like you're on a shift and your shift is waiting
for a fire. And if you're there and you're pumping
tin waiting for a fire, you could be pumping a
lot of tin. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Imagine if we were doing weights in between the ads.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yes. Well, a while back, mat he thinktually started an
initiative to start doing weights inside on company time because
he had an idea. He thought that it would be
funny to well, not funny, he thought that it was
actually a really really good use of time to do
a workout while we were actually, you know, doing the show,
because of course there's time in the in the songs.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
How did that go?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well? I mean, look at look at him, look at it.
I don't know if you've seen this, sorry recently, but
it went very very well, you know, struggling to put
on weight in the ass. But apart from that, see
Rudor does a little workout in the morning date you're
route it before we come in.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Well, I've actually started just doing work out at home
because I'm sick getting up at ten pass three in
the morning. I'm giving myself a sleep until accord it
to four now. Sorry, I'm just doing weights.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Come off.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Have you heard of twenty one? So you do like
seven down there, and then do seven in the upper
and then you do full seven and that's twenty one.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
How heavy is that dumbled there that you've got?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
This is ten pound each size?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I don't know, twelve kilos something like that. Obviously very
heavy bar obviously clearly yeah, I don't know. It feels
pretty good that it's like a good weight.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
That yeah, sure, because you fil you look like struggling.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
But then you could also do you could do squats.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
But if it look easeful, it's not so.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I reckon, that's not super I think it's pretty heavy.
I now, now that's bullshit.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
You reckon.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
It's bullshit, man, you're going to do the conversion pounds.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
It's not twenty pounds on pounds and I was just
gonna time it kg.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Nine point I see on nine. But obviously the bell
of that dumb bell, the bar, the bar is quite heavy. Probably, yeah, definitely,
I reckon, Like you could do some overhead stuff. That's
quite good for him. That's quite good for while you're
on the radio and you can kick talking.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Hang on, like you just whipped out of the studio
picked that up. Where where is this kept and for
what purpose?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Well, because I have been coming in about four am
in the morning and doing a workout in studio.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
B oh my god, is this true?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Is true?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Humiliating?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
This is humiliating.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
This is the safety issue.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Just exercise, this is what this is what Rudy does.
He does a little work out here in the mornings. Yeah,
he gets a bit of a do you get a
sweet guy? Oh?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Quite a good beat on, but sometimes as well finish
it off with a nice lie down on my shark.
He mat while listening to wim Hoff do some guided breathing.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
This is a stageous.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
This is all before we come in.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah, generally wrap it up at about four forty am.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Can we just take a break and come back in
a moment. I think we need to take a break.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
I need a breath.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
And we're back. So yeah, we does the workouts. Sometimes
you come in it smells like a sweat lodge in then.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Only sometimes never see this.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Well that's the idea. That's why I do it early
because I don't want people to see it.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Have you guys ever done a sweet lodge? Yeah? No,
oh well Morgan, has I've done a sweet lodge?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Yeah? Was it life changing?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I hated it.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
We knewed with other men.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, that wasn't the bit that I was because I
went to boarding school, so I wasn't so worried about
the mob the men. Although, to be honest, there's nude
with other men that you know or boys in my situation,
that you know, and then there's then and that you
know and then there's nude with men called running waters
and you know, flowing ball and things like that, and
(08:17):
then also people making weird noises in the dark and
a tp that's really really hot and you can't see
anything and you can feel someone's sweety arm beside you
and stuff. I had to get out, and that was
very much found upon that I had to exit because
I was taken there by the old havevo by Mikey
have It, who was going to the sweat Lodge, and
he goes, oh, I'm going to Sweet Lodge, you can,
(08:38):
and I'm like, I'm not really. He goes, oh, I
come around in ten minutes. Next thing you know, he's
around at my house probably about half an hour later,
and he's he's taken me out to Riverhead Forest and
there's all these blessings going on and people making these
noises and they're getting stones and they putting them and
I was like, this isn't at the time. I'm probably
more comfortable with it now. At the time, I would
(09:01):
have been twenty one.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Okay for a twenty one year old, wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I wasn't up for it.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
You do have to be very open minded and willing
to receive all the weirdness that happens in those spaces.
There was a lot of bush in mind and a
lot of chanting.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, there was some chanting in mind too, and there
was a lot and there was a stick that was
being passed around, and people were talking about their sort
of ex partners, and there was a lot of a
lot of healing going on. I think, okay, and I
didn't really have anything that I needed to heal at
that stage. I was pretty young, yeah, and I just
(09:42):
I got to a point where I felt very claustrophobic.
That was the feeling that I had. And I don't
know if you guys have ever had claustrophobia before, but
it feels like you're about to die. It's quite an
unusual sensation, even though it makes no sense. Of course,
you're not going to die, and you know you're not
going to die, especially in the dark, being in a
very confined hot space in the dark and not knowing
(10:05):
when the ends.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Yes, And that's what happens with the body as well,
when there are senses. When some senses are deprived like
the site, your other senses become more online and so
it will freak you outas like if there's danger. If
your brain perceives danger, you're going to be way more reactive. Yeah,
so no wonder you were like upregulated and I'm like,
I'm out of here. Your fight or flight kicked in.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I was out of there. Yeah, and I was told that,
you know, I can't go back in. And they did
like three sessions. And the worst part was it was
in the first session and so I had to sit
around while they went in and out of this bloody
sweet lodge in the middle of the bush. That was
like three hours of my life. I'm never going to
get back.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Riverhead would have been a much different place back in
what the late nineties, early two thousands.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
It was, Yes, it was late nineties, late nineties, like
nineteen ninety eight something like that. Yeah, it was. It was,
but it was right in the bush part of it.
Maybe it was Woodhill. It was right and the Okay,
I think maybe more wood Hell than Riverhead.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Because they've got quite a few mushrooms around that area
at a certain times.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, Riverhead, Yeah, they have bloody everywhere. Those mushrooms, I
tell you, Ah, everywhere turns out.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
You're for foraging.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
They are all over the shop, they're in berms. They're
in woods, they're in bermsms, street berms. Absolutely because of
all the wood chips that get brought into berms and
things that are placed around the base of gardens. A
lot of those wood chips are coming in from. No,
(11:38):
the Auckland Council did a great service to the people
of Auckland actually when they started bringing wood chips in
because they bought the spores of magic mushrooms of them. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Stopped mowing the berms though, And it's that's been a
real problem for the last ten years or so. People
can't mow their own booms and the Auckland city counts are.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Going to do it anymore. No, that's right. It'shtful. Yeah,
that's hurtful. So your sweet lodgers, So your sweet lodger
was just a whole lot of bush morgan, a.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Lot of bush, a lot of breasts, a lot of sweat.
What was beautiful was we had a man tending to
our fire, which was I thought at the time very
like being held by the masculine, so the feminine could
be free and floaty like water and be in our
full expression and chant and clap and sing. But actually
(12:27):
this guy that keept on coming in and out to
restock the fire. He was seeing some things.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Oh really he was.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
He was wasted, wasted seeing us like you're seeing the bush. Yeah,
he was a I didn't want to say it.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
He was a fire perf.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
What sort of training you have to do to be
a fire perof like we could one find and you're
seeing you see yourself as a bit of a fire perve.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Maybe a future as a fire.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Pot I just like to help things like people losing
themselves in a sweet lodge, And I think maybe it's
time for me to look at a career change to
something a bit more rewarding.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Look, I don't know if you you're pretty good at
your job. Ruder as executive producer of The Hydacky Breakfast.
I don't think you need to go into the fire perve. Realm.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
What's the money?
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Like?
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Do you reckon the money's good?
Speaker 2 (13:17):
More?
Speaker 1 (13:17):
No?
Speaker 3 (13:17):
I think you get paid in other ways. It's a
community service.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Sometimes sometimes money is not the reward you require, though,
you know.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
What I mean. You really want to be a fire perv,
don't you. This is this is very revealing. We learned
a lot about Ruder on the show.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
Don't we hear a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Sometimes it's what he doesn't say that says a lot.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Curious.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
See he's not saying anything now, for example.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
It's probably for the best.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I think.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
So, so you said lots of bush? What else was
in there?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Fire?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I think we've I think we've moved on. I think
I think we're good.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, he just keeps wanting you to repaint their picture.
We noticed.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Wow, I'm letting it go to It's all started with
me trying to figure out could we actually sexualize men
now if we're sexualizing women?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
I think Look, I think men one hundred percent. I
think men are happy to be sexualized. Yes, I mean,
and if they're not.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Stiff pickies, well yeah, I mean it's an interesting thing, right.
I remember back in the day, like calendars in my
dad's workshop of like women and bikinis or lingerie draped
over motorbikes and oh look, I've got some grease on
my chest while I was fixing my car. You know,
we don't really make those calendars anymore, you know. And
(14:41):
I think, like, when I think about these men that
I'm putting on my Instagram that are chopping wood, I'm like,
they're sexualizing themselves. They're okay about this, But I guess
the argument could be said for those women on those calendars.
But now we kind of think, oh no, that's not okay.
But I guess is this because maybe women have been
appriested by men. Men have never been oppressed in the space,
(15:05):
so really can they be sexualized?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah? I see exactly what you're saying, because some people
would say, well, there's a double standard here, but there
is a double standard in society. There is a double
standard and so many things around gender and sex. Absolutely,
so I'm fine with it. I'm always fine with the
double standard. I kind of think, oh, yeah, okay, because
(15:30):
otherwise you go through looking for double standards everywhere and
you'll you'll go nuts.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Absolutely, And I do it because I'm always looking for
equality and what's right and what's wrong in these spaces.
And I haven't seen things like wedding cake toppers, you know,
where they have a woman grabbing the groom by the
neck and dragging him to the altar. You know, if
that was a man doing that to a woman, we
(15:57):
have a lot to say about it. Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I like I like what you say, Jerry about observing
these things, but not necessarily getting worked up about it.
Like there was one that I saw recently. There's a
movie with Nicole Kidman in it. Nicole Kidman's a fifty
seven year old woman, and the articles entitled I had
to stop suiting shooting a particular scene because of the
amount of orgasms I was having, And so I thought, oh,
(16:21):
I'll just have a little read into a bit more
of this thought interesting read and it was basically.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
We've done. It's good. I picked up.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
That was really good.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Clicked bait was cash miss there, and so basically she
was having simulated six with a twenty one year old guy.
And as I said, the article was about this fifty
seven year old woman on the face of it going
I've had so many orgasms that we had to stop filming.
I thought, let's imagine a fifty seven year old man said, oh,
(16:55):
I had so many orgasms simulating six with this attractive
twenty one year old girl that I had to stop filming.
And I thought up in arms, people.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Would be, yeah, right, it's true.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, But when it's Nicole Kidman along comes oh mate
ruder does a little bit of clickbaiting.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
What was that clickbaiting. That's exactly what I said, good
clickbreaking good, that's important. Yeah, I don't I don't mind.
I mean it's I think every individual is different as well.
Some some women don't want to be sexualized. I know
a lot of women who do like to be sexualized,
and they want the right. They enjoy their right to
(17:33):
be sexualized, and they have every right to be sexualized, yes,
and I think there's some people that don't. And I
think that can be confusing for some people. Yes, knowing
who to be sexualized and who's not, but you just
got to be a little bit more aware if you're
planning on sexualizing someone, and you've got to be you've
got to be smart about it and know who you
(17:53):
can and who.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
You can And it's a lot about context, right, And
like quite often I'll put on my Instagram things about lingerie,
you know, because I think lingerie can really make somebody
feel really sixy and incite those feelings. And I will
I will show up there in my lingerie to kind
of say that point. And I'll probably be getting paid
by a lingerie company as well. But you know, bye
(18:15):
and bye. But like I want to be admired, but
I don't want to be over sexualized. So it's a
really fine, tricky, really tricky, tricky area, highly nuanced.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, it's it's tricky.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
We're living in a weird time, Team, we are.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Living in the weirdest of times.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Did you know that once Morgan, I hope I don't
speak out of tune because young Mesh is not here obviously,
but once a video is made of Jerry sexualizing Mesh,
and Mesh was one hundred percent into it and he
was quite happy with it. But when that video went
up online, people complained about.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
It for what.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Was the how was he sexualized?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Really?
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Remember I just remember the story. Have I made it
this up?
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well?
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I don't didn't touch him with a banana or something.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Or we were walking and we were walking. It was
a thing that we did. We were walking along and
he stopped. I was walking with a banana in front
of me, and he sort of stopped and the banana
ended up going sort of up has a little bit,
you know, but not obviously he had pants on. Yeah,
(19:25):
and I was saying that, you know, that was Mash
was trying to do that. I think that's how it was.
I had the banana or he had the banana. There
was a banana and ended up sort of touching that
area and we walked and there was some security camera
footage of it, and there were some people that were
quite shocked about people. They're shocked about any gag, wasn't
they You know, I'm not sure if those people have
(19:48):
seen things that you can see online and all sorts
of stuff out there in the world. There's some sensitive
souls out there. Poor, poor I feel sorry for those
people because it must be hard.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
She loved it, did I really loved it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
She's totally she loves being sexualized.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Well, that's all that matters. If you're consenting adults, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
He absolutely loves it, but he does tell you and
when you've crossed the line, well he's done that with
me anyway. He said, look, ruder, that's too far. Can
you walk that back? And so I have to walk
it back and apologize. And that's fine because it's just
between us.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, he's I understand. He does have some boundaries. It's
around sort of mouth to gnitalia sort vibe in the workplace.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
That's fine, and we all have to have our boundaries. Yeah,
and it's good that he feels safe to really put
them in.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah, he does, he does.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Well, let's hope he does. I mean he probably maybe
goes through some other things that he doesn't let us know.
Who knows, he's probably suffering in silence.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I'll chicken with him. I'll let him know I'm a
safe place.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Thank you. Yeah, that'd be great, and then tell us
on the side and they'd be breaking some confidenceially there,
but just let us know.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Just record that on your phone so that through we'll
have a listen and we'll.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Con't we do anything for contry exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
All right, Well, thanks Morgan, thanks for coming in.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
It's my pleasure for this morning.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
So nice to have you so lovely. I'm looking forward
to hearing what you're going to do next with your
six dot Life podcast when you work out what that's
going to be.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Well, I sort of thought, you know, Morgan goes into
national really, you know, like I've sort of seen the
New Zealand scene now I've started to see what's happening
over there. But we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, well, I guess it's how much more can you explore?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
And alterior, Well, i'd like to talk to the cops
and the Council about glory holes and public toilets, like
how much of taxpayers money is going and replacing these
holes and walls? Does that make you curious?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yeah, I'm quite interested in the glory hold that the
Is there one still at point Erin It's quite a
popular spot.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Rugby clubrooms are also very popular, okay, yeah, North Harbor,
North Harbor, Rugby.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Oh, North Harbor, like at the State the Albany Stadium.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I don't know North harb you North Harbor. Yeah, I
think they used to be quite popular once upon a time.
Hm hmm. Interesting, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
That's a whole nother rabbit hole. I've already taken you
down rabbit holes today.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I've been down some interesting holes.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Push paws on that nobody needs us and they love today.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Thanks Morgan, Thanks Ruder, Thanks Mate,
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