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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello and my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean
for Tuesday. First with yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart,
and we are looking back at Monday. One story only
throughout the podcast today, so we'll just take you through
in chronological order as our various hosts reacted to Donald
Trump being shot in the head. Basically, what's interesting of
(00:44):
all the eyewitness interviews I watched over the weekend, all
of them felt that this was no surprise. It was
only a matter of time. Why is that?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
The Washington Post looked at in an article the extreme
language being used by both the both campaigns, both sides
of it, the extreme left and the extreme right. After
the shooting, the Republican Senator JD. Vance, who's a potential
Trump running mate by the way, blamed the Biden campaign
for inciting this finance. He said, the central premise of
the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an
(01:14):
authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That rhetoric,
he says. This is a potential running mate of Trump's.
That rhetoric led directly to President Trump's attempt at assassination. Now,
at this time we don't know the shooter's motive. We
should make clear that. But is there a lesson here
for our political leaders, for the Chloe's chanting river to
(01:35):
the sea, for the Maldi party calling lux and a
white supremacist, for David Seymour who was joking about the
guy Fawkes, and the Ministry of the Pacific Peoples. The
fact is, you don't know what nutbar is out there
listening and waiting for a cause big enough to prompt
some sort of lone wolf attack. Here most of the
attacks are pretty minor. You know the old dildo to
(01:57):
the face that Lamington on the Here John Key was
attacked by two men ate white tonguey in two thousand
and nine. They were both charged for that. The question
is whether the use of extreme political language can raise
the ten temperature and cause violence. Clearly Hitler answers that
question for us. So politicians here on the far left,
like Chloe and yit should take note and lower the
(02:19):
tone of some of their attacks. But the same goes
for the far right, those keyboard warriors too. What I
would hate to see, though, is the day where our
politicians can't joke and take the mickey out out of
one another, speak forthrightly about their issues and their beliefs
just because some idiot might be at home with a
shotgun harboring hate. Question for the US now is whether
(02:42):
does this whether it quells the extreme left and right,
or will this bloodshed be answered with more bloodshed?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Ryan summed up that sort of lack of surprise quite nicely.
They did any comment. The thing that I found remarkable
watching the assassination attend ad nauseum is how the people,
the crowd, they don't flee for the exits. They just
(03:14):
sat there and get out in their phones and started
filming it. News Talk ze Bean, which leads me to
believe one of three things are true, or perhaps all
of them, because there are heaps of shootings every day
in Pennsylvania as something you get excited about. Trump supporters
are used to people getting shot all the time, specifically
(03:37):
or thirdly, and I think that's probably the most likely one.
We're all just absolutely numb to the video game nature
of real life these days, and so our first instinct
rather than to panic and die for cover is to
just film it and post it.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Do people feel as soon as they speak their mind
they're going to be shouted down and called bad people?
You know, we used to be able to have different opinions.
We used to be able to talk about it. We
used to be able to have passioned impassion debates, and
many of us still can. But there are a group
(04:16):
of people who either feel so misrepresented or completely ignored
or reviled, and who are unable to take a stand
on a platform and have their say, exploits how they
(04:37):
feel and be heard that they resort to violence. And
it would be great if we could see this as
a reset. I rather fearther than the US. Gun violence
is so common, not as common in the political realm.
But you know, if you heard Richard Arnold, there have
(04:57):
been plenty of examples of political shootings in recent times,
not assassinations of former presidents, but certainly, you know, even
as we saw with the republic look and baseball game,
there have been political shootings. Maybe too late for the US,
but I hope to hell it's not too late for us.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I think sometimes we do get sucked into because the
world is so small these days, thanks to the Internet
and the international news networks and all of that. We
all feel like we're a part of everything that happens directly.
And I think it's easy to get sucked into thinking
that we live in the same society that people in
(05:39):
the US do. And I think our society is quite different,
but hopefully it is us talk Siby So Andrew Diffins
was on yesterday afternoon, of course, and oh yeah, they
were still talking about this even by yesterday after.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Day number one. Number one, you're right, the broader eye
of the shelf was a step too far. But the bulls,
I think I've seen that all around social media.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Go wow.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
You know, Brighten brought all this on Trump because he
said bullseye. But that was a metaphor, you know, And
when did we become so childish and so stupid that
we thought a metaphor was actually an exhortation to take
a life all Joe Biden is ever going to do.
You know, he was never going to shoot anybody. I mean,
he might invite them to bore them to death on
a train from Delaware, but that you know, he's not
(06:27):
a shooting sort of guy. But you know, we're jumping,
we're putting a lot of power into language. Is this
the lesson we all have to learn? You know that
we've been talking metaphorically, We've been talking exaggeratingly. We've been
talking like big swinging dicks. But when really might need
to moderate our language somewhat when it comes to public
discourse because there are some whack jobs out there and
take us seriously.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, I live in fear that people will take anything
I say seriously. Ever, so can I just reiterate now
to never ever do that. Firstly, don't believe anything I say,
and sidingly, don't take anything I say seriously at all.
(07:08):
Use my opinions are not only uninformed, they're completely worthless.
I just wanted to make it act there. So, Yeah,
the Secret Service certainly under pressure. It's a weird one.
They're under pressure, but they're sort of also being hailed
as heroes for their actions once they shouting started. But yeah, tramps,
(07:33):
the shooting shouldn't have started. Is that what's going on?
Speaker 6 (07:35):
For broadcasters? The Secret Service take all of your equipment.
You have to lay it down on the ground. The
officers pick over it. They make sure that everything turns on.
That cameras are indeed cameras, that tripods are indeed tripods,
that your radio mics are all legitimate dogs trained to
sniff out explosives, go over everything. It takes an age.
It takes an age, and in my experience, they are
(07:58):
never too careful. And yet, somehow, somehow, less than six
months from the election, a man was able to climb
up into an elevated position on an unguarded rooftop and
take a shot at the president. Somehow, if the eyewitnesses
are to be believed, the Secret Service and police didn't
act urgently enough once people saw the gunman take his position.
(08:22):
It's funny, though, despite all of this, I feel the
same about the sequence of events as I always do
when there is a bit of a conspiratorial air. The
failures yesterday are far more likely to be simple human failures,
a grand screw up, yes, but not a grand conspiracy,
(08:43):
And I reckon One of the most pernicious dangerous outcomes
from all of this is if a big slab of
American voters believe that it was something more sinister, and look,
there may be no stopping that freight train. Quite frankly,
but a very public explanation from the Secret Service, a
mayor Coulper and some high profile resignations may be the
(09:04):
best chance.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Does anybody know why the Secret Service is call the
Secret Service? Like that's kind of like the least secret
service of all, aren't they? Like we seem to be
able to know that where they are, what they're doing,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
News talk z been that's.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Not being social lagrant. That's Marxis Splash's job.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
But yeah, there's no shortage of punditory. Everyone straight away,
this will make them the election's over now, all sorts
of stuff. But you know, things happen, People's opinion change.
There is no guarantee that pundits are correct. But yeah,
(09:49):
it's so indecently quick to have their opinion on what
was going to happen. Now this is meant, this is
the election over. This election just starting all that sort
of stuff kind of based on nothing really, I guess
people it's natural for people when they see something to
try and extrapolate what it's about happen. Yeah, now the
(10:16):
act calling for TV indeed to admit it got it
wrong with host shooting a trump bowl with bug spray
shaped it goes breakfast TV, for God's sake, it's trying
to lighten it up. You can't take everything too seriously.
(10:39):
Just because people do something doesn't mean someone's going to
do it. You know, most actions are taken by individuals.
You can't say how they've done this because someone's got
to apologize something's on a year or two ago. It's
kind of crazy EVC party man.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
There's a lot of talking heads around this stuff, though.
Wasn't there Part of my job on the Mike Husking
Breakfast is I've got to, you know, rustle up a
bunch of audio cuts to play on the show of news.
It has happened overnight, and as far as I can
tell this morning, no news had happened overnight other than
they've been a decision in one of Trump's cases. The
(11:19):
rest of it was literally just split screens of various
so called experts talking about a shooting that it had
happened in the weekend, so not news. Really weird thing,
isn't it like they will hurry to the place where
something happened in the weekend, not really where it's continuing
(11:40):
to happen. Spanish business news. It's not really a fan.
I am Glen Hart. That has been news talks. It'd Been.
We'll be back with more known news tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Sear then news Talk has Talk Said Been. For more
from News Talk Said B, listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk SEDB Talk said.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello and my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean
for Tuesday. First with yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart,
and we are looking back at Monday. One story only
throughout the podcast today, so we'll just take you through
in chronological order as our various hosts reacted to Donald
Trump being shot in the head. Basically, what's interesting of
(00:44):
all the eyewitness interviews I watched over the weekend, all
of them felt that this was no surprise. It was
only a matter of time. Why is that?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
The Washington Post looked at in an article the extreme
language being used by both the both campaigns, both sides
of it, the extreme left and the extreme right. After
the shooting, the Republican Senator JD. Vance, who's a potential
Trump running mate by the way, blamed the Biden campaign
for inciting this finance. He said, the central premise of
the Biden campaign is that President Donald Trump is an
(01:14):
authoritarian fascist who must be stopped at all costs. That rhetoric,
he says. This is a potential running mate of Trump's.
That rhetoric led directly to President Trump's attempt at assassination. Now,
at this time we don't know the shooter's motive. We
should make clear that. But is there a lesson here
for our political leaders, for the Chloe's chanting river to
(01:35):
the sea, for the Maldi party calling lux and a
white supremacist, for David Seymour who was joking about the
guy Fawkes, and the Ministry of the Pacific Peoples. The
fact is, you don't know what nutbar is out there
listening and waiting for a cause big enough to prompt
some sort of lone wolf attack. Here most of the
attacks are pretty minor. You know the old dildo to
(01:57):
the face that Lamington on the Here John Key was
attacked by two men ate white tonguey in two thousand
and nine. They were both charged for that. The question
is whether the use of extreme political language can raise
the ten temperature and cause violence. Clearly Hitler answers that
question for us. So politicians here on the far left,
like Chloe and yit should take note and lower the
(02:19):
tone of some of their attacks. But the same goes
for the far right, those keyboard warriors too. What I
would hate to see, though, is the day where our
politicians can't joke and take the mickey out out of
one another, speak forthrightly about their issues and their beliefs
just because some idiot might be at home with a
shotgun harboring hate. Question for the US now is whether
(02:42):
does this whether it quells the extreme left and right,
or will this bloodshed be answered with more bloodshed?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Ryan summed up that sort of lack of surprise quite nicely.
They did any comment. The thing that I found remarkable
watching the assassination attend ad nauseum is how the people,
the crowd, they don't flee for the exits. They just
(03:14):
sat there and get out in their phones and started
filming it. News Talk ze Bean, which leads me to
believe one of three things are true, or perhaps all
of them, because there are heaps of shootings every day
in Pennsylvania as something you get excited about. Trump supporters
are used to people getting shot all the time, specifically
(03:37):
or thirdly, and I think that's probably the most likely one.
We're all just absolutely numb to the video game nature
of real life these days, and so our first instinct
rather than to panic and die for cover is to
just film it and post it.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Do people feel as soon as they speak their mind
they're going to be shouted down and called bad people?
You know, we used to be able to have different opinions.
We used to be able to talk about it. We
used to be able to have passioned impassion debates, and
many of us still can. But there are a group
(04:16):
of people who either feel so misrepresented or completely ignored
or reviled, and who are unable to take a stand
on a platform and have their say, exploits how they
(04:37):
feel and be heard that they resort to violence. And
it would be great if we could see this as
a reset. I rather fearther than the US. Gun violence
is so common, not as common in the political realm.
But you know, if you heard Richard Arnold, there have
(04:57):
been plenty of examples of political shootings in recent times,
not assassinations of former presidents, but certainly, you know, even
as we saw with the republic look and baseball game,
there have been political shootings. Maybe too late for the US,
but I hope to hell it's not too late for us.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I think sometimes we do get sucked into because the
world is so small these days, thanks to the Internet
and the international news networks and all of that. We
all feel like we're a part of everything that happens directly.
And I think it's easy to get sucked into thinking
that we live in the same society that people in
(05:39):
the US do. And I think our society is quite different,
but hopefully it is us talk Siby So Andrew Diffins
was on yesterday afternoon, of course, and oh yeah, they
were still talking about this even by yesterday after.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Day number one. Number one, you're right, the broader eye
of the shelf was a step too far. But the bulls,
I think I've seen that all around social media.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Go wow.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
You know, Brighten brought all this on Trump because he
said bullseye. But that was a metaphor, you know, And
when did we become so childish and so stupid that
we thought a metaphor was actually an exhortation to take
a life all Joe Biden is ever going to do.
You know, he was never going to shoot anybody. I mean,
he might invite them to bore them to death on
a train from Delaware, but that you know, he's not
(06:27):
a shooting sort of guy. But you know, we're jumping,
we're putting a lot of power into language. Is this
the lesson we all have to learn? You know that
we've been talking metaphorically, We've been talking exaggeratingly. We've been
talking like big swinging dicks. But when really might need
to moderate our language somewhat when it comes to public
discourse because there are some whack jobs out there and
take us seriously.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Yeah, I live in fear that people will take anything
I say seriously. Ever, so can I just reiterate now
to never ever do that. Firstly, don't believe anything I say,
and sidingly, don't take anything I say seriously at all.
(07:08):
Use my opinions are not only uninformed, they're completely worthless.
I just wanted to make it act there. So, Yeah,
the Secret Service certainly under pressure. It's a weird one.
They're under pressure, but they're sort of also being hailed
as heroes for their actions once they shouting started. But yeah, tramps,
(07:33):
the shooting shouldn't have started. Is that what's going on?
Speaker 6 (07:35):
For broadcasters? The Secret Service take all of your equipment.
You have to lay it down on the ground. The
officers pick over it. They make sure that everything turns on.
That cameras are indeed cameras, that tripods are indeed tripods,
that your radio mics are all legitimate dogs trained to
sniff out explosives, go over everything. It takes an age.
It takes an age, and in my experience, they are
(07:58):
never too careful. And yet, somehow, somehow, less than six
months from the election, a man was able to climb
up into an elevated position on an unguarded rooftop and
take a shot at the president. Somehow, if the eyewitnesses
are to be believed, the Secret Service and police didn't
act urgently enough once people saw the gunman take his position.
(08:22):
It's funny, though, despite all of this, I feel the
same about the sequence of events as I always do
when there is a bit of a conspiratorial air. The
failures yesterday are far more likely to be simple human failures,
a grand screw up, yes, but not a grand conspiracy,
(08:43):
And I reckon One of the most pernicious dangerous outcomes
from all of this is if a big slab of
American voters believe that it was something more sinister, and look,
there may be no stopping that freight train. Quite frankly,
but a very public explanation from the Secret Service, a
mayor Coulper and some high profile resignations may be the
(09:04):
best chance.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Does anybody know why the Secret Service is call the
Secret Service? Like that's kind of like the least secret
service of all, aren't they? Like we seem to be
able to know that where they are, what they're doing,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (09:24):
News talk z been that's.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Not being social lagrant. That's Marxis Splash's job.
Speaker 7 (09:28):
But yeah, there's no shortage of punditory. Everyone straight away,
this will make them the election's over now, all sorts
of stuff. But you know, things happen, People's opinion change.
There is no guarantee that pundits are correct. But yeah,
(09:49):
it's so indecently quick to have their opinion on what
was going to happen. Now this is meant, this is
the election over. This election just starting all that sort
of stuff kind of based on nothing really, I guess
people it's natural for people when they see something to
try and extrapolate what it's about happen. Yeah, now the
(10:16):
act calling for TV indeed to admit it got it
wrong with host shooting a trump bowl with bug spray
shaped it goes breakfast TV, for God's sake, it's trying
to lighten it up. You can't take everything too seriously.
(10:39):
Just because people do something doesn't mean someone's going to
do it. You know, most actions are taken by individuals.
You can't say how they've done this because someone's got
to apologize something's on a year or two ago. It's
kind of crazy EVC party man.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
There's a lot of talking heads around this stuff, though.
Wasn't there Part of my job on the Mike Husking
Breakfast is I've got to, you know, rustle up a
bunch of audio cuts to play on the show of news.
It has happened overnight, and as far as I can
tell this morning, no news had happened overnight other than
they've been a decision in one of Trump's cases. The
(11:19):
rest of it was literally just split screens of various
so called experts talking about a shooting that it had
happened in the weekend, so not news. Really weird thing,
isn't it like they will hurry to the place where
something happened in the weekend, not really where it's continuing
(11:40):
to happen. Spanish business news. It's not really a fan.
I am Glen Hart. That has been news talks. It'd Been.
We'll be back with more known news tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Sear then news Talk has Talk Said Been. For more
from News Talk Said B, listen live on air or online,
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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