July 16, 2024 • 12 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk said B.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First of yesterday's news. I am looking back at when,
so are you?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We are looking back at Tuesday. We need to talk
about speed cameras because they're getting new signs and they
are being run by different people. So that'll solve everything
I reckon. And while we're at it, we've got an
agreement on police pay.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I think Chris Carhle says it's not the worst in
the world, but it doesn't take into account the long
protracted industrial dispute and the fact that the risks of
the job have increased, which everybody would acknowledge is true.
So what do you do now you've got a young
person in your family or somebody who's looking to do
a career change, who wants to join the police as
(01:12):
a family member. What do you say. You're a serving
police officer, You've been holding out, probably holding out for
a national led government who are more likely to be reasonable,
who are more likely to want a galvanized police service.
(01:37):
Who have had a lift in morale, who believe that
they have a government who's backing them. So you've probably
been waiting for that, and this is what they're offering.
Is it good enough to keep you here until the
good times roll around the corner?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
You know?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
We're hearing reports from overseas that, yeah, I know, maybe
the streets aren't quite paved with gold the way we've heard.
Times are tough pretty much everywhere. Crime is up. There's
a contempt for authority among certain groups of people that's
on the rise, and that's the world over. So what
(02:20):
do you do? Settle in, wait it out for the
better times that must come, or if you reach breaking point.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I was quite surprised to hear people calling into Quey
show after that and say things like, well, you know,
being in the police, it's not about the money, it's
a calling. And then also it's about the action and
the excitement as well that you're supposed to get paid
(02:55):
what you're worth, don't you news talk z Bean. I
mean I'm glad I don't get paid what i'm worth
because that wouldn't be much money anyway.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
How did Ryan Bridge say the Police Association has lost
its final offer arbitration over pay increases, meaning the government
one Chris Carhill says he can now only quote hope
that officers won't move to Australia en mass, where payers
way higher and conditions are much better, well certainly in
some states. On the face of it, the offer actually
(03:29):
looks pretty good, along with a lump sum and overtime
being paid, which is not to be scoffed at. The
increases are actually four percent from July first backdated and
four percent from July twenty twenty five. And if we
believe Adrian Ora and Coe's predictions about inflation hitting the
target of one to three percent later this year, then
the increase that the police get will actually beat inflation,
(03:50):
which sounds pretty good, right, not when you consider the
shite sandwich that they've been dealt in the past few years.
Under labor inflation was out of control. It was as
out of control as crime, you could say. It was
running at about six to seven percent, and during that
time police annual pay increased only about three and a
half percent. The police union says it basically had to
(04:12):
suck it up take the deal because if they went
for more it might mean job cuts and We've just
spoken to the police minister. He says he wouldn't have
let that happen. But I mean, how do you know?
So do we want fewer higher paid cops or more
lower paid cops? The reality is that we might get
the worst of both worlds if they upsticks and cross
(04:34):
the ditch, fewer of them and the rest feeling underpaid
and OVERWORKO.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Can I just remind any body in the police who
is considering a career in Australia just remember you will
be dealing mostly with Australians, so you know it would
have to be a really significant bump in pay to
compensate for that.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Right, Qu's talk Ziban.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
All right, let's get into these speed cameras. I'll see
if I can get Jack to explain the situation.
Speaker 7 (05:06):
Each of the permanent speed cameras is going to be
accompanied by a permanent speed camera warning sign. So if
you're driving fast and you are near a speed camera,
you're going to get warned. Now, I get why some
people think it's antithetical. Surely a warning for people about
speed cameras will make them slow down before they get
(05:27):
pinged for driving too fast. Wouldn't it be better to
surprise them with an unwelcome letter in the mail. Oh
bad news, you owe us a couple hundred bucks. Nah,
I reckon it's good. I reckon it's good. After all,
the most important thing about a speed camera is ultimately
not whether it makes us money, but whether it makes
drivers slow down.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
That is the whole point.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
And the key thing about permanent speed cameras is if
they're in high danger areas. Right, I see, I would
much rather get all vehicles to slow down in a
high danger area and save a few accidents, then get
some vehicles slowing down and make a few bucks. But
of course, there is one way to improve the system.
Put up your permanent speed cameras. Put up your permanent
(06:12):
speed camera warning signs, But then add a couple of
hundred extra signs for good measure. Not too many, just
enough and in just the right places for it to
seem believable. You don't need the cameras, just put up
the signs. After all, it is not the fines that matter.
It's not the cameras that matter. All that really matters
is whether or not drivers slow down.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I was gonna suggest that very thing as a joke,
So Jack meant it as a joke. Sometimes I can't
tell if Jack's joking or not, which I think he's
got a very sophisticated sense of humor. And I don't
because you can tell what I'm joking because I'm always joking.
(06:54):
It's a it's a you know, you know, not to
not to take anything that I say seriously because everything
is meant as a joke. This issue is no joking matter. Well,
it's no joking medical kayla. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I think for the stationary ones, like the highest areas,
majority of people are going to slow down to them,
so obviously it's going to reduce the risk in those areas.
I think you're going to sign the put signed up
for the patrol cars or the mobile ones. That's sort
of means that you know, all speed cameras are going
to be signed, so everyone knows what areas to flow
(07:33):
down in and what areas that they can go real fast,
and therefore creating more risk in every other area apart
from the ones that have got cameras in them. That
makes sense.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
I think that's a decent argument as and there's also
I guess just the costs of having these things absolutely everywhere.
But I'm on board with essentially what you're pointing out,
which is warning signs for the fixed ones, understanding that
there will be mobile ones, so that our mentality and
our overall understanding of well, what we're trying to do
(08:04):
here is that the most dangerous stretches of road where
people have been known to crash for a long time,
there are warning signs and speed cameras to stop you
from speeding in order to keep you and others alive. However,
on the general open road, if you think that you
can just get away with speeding, we're going to keep
you slightly on your toes by not knowing whether there's
(08:26):
going to be a police officer or a van.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yes, exactly, because if you signed them all people are
going to know, you know, where they can sort of
get away with it, and then you know you're going
to have more excellences than those areas that they have cameras.
Because I know this is going to be done there.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
There might be cops sitting there with a radar gun.
No Roscoe Pee Coltrane style in a speed trap. What
do you mean you don't remember the dukes of hazard?
What do you mean? Stop talking, old man, and get
on with the show News Talk.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Has it been you guys.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Hard on an old geezer? Here's another old he's at Marcus.
He has noticed that the story as well.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
I'm not quite sure where I am about speed cameras.
So what they are doing is that they are putting
signs on all our speed cameras to warn people where
they are. Now, I'm not going to get all raindy
(09:37):
about this, because life's busy enough without getting worried about
things like speed cameras. But it's weird the way because
I would have thought, right, you'd want to find the
system that's the most effective. So if you want to
(09:58):
tell everyone with speed cameras are, do you even need
speed cameras in those boxes? It's weird. I don't quite
understand the psychology of its speed cameras.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Right.
Speaker 8 (10:13):
There'll be signs outside all of them in Auckland and
Northland in a matter of weeks. It's to warn and
alert motorists to permanent speed cameras. Go figure, because the
(10:35):
only people that wouldn't be aware of permanent speed cameras
would be people There are tourists that are driving randomly
and the other ones that probably need to slow down
going in and out of town. So can someone explain
to it that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Apparently there's a public perception that safety cameras are in
a enforcement revenue gathering tool. That's the whole point of them,
(10:59):
Isn't it to enforce speeding? And cash is the only
deterrent really that we know that we can use or demerits.
But I think all political parties are in accordance with this.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I don't think they're enforcing speeding. Aren't they enforcing not speeding?
You're doing the wrong way around? Can we also have
signs for red light cameras wherever they are as well?
I got a fine for it was a very complicatedly
(11:34):
worded fine. It was something to do with a traffic
control device. I think they mean a red arrow came
up on the traffic light while I was turning through
the interception, And I think that it came up on
one of those intersections. Whether you only get about five seconds,
(11:55):
So you're waiting in a queue of traffic, The whole
que moves and then as you're turning the corner you
realize that the light's gone orange and red. Well, you're
halfway through the intersection, I'm quite sure what you're supposed
to doing it, The domestic manager said, I should you
demand the photo and contest certain stuff? I'm sure if
(12:19):
I'd probably got it wrong and there's no excuse, but
I might have been a bit more careful if there'd
been a sign for saying I am a queen Heart.
That has been the Bean, and it will be again tomorrow, said.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
US Talks, Talking Zaid Bean. For more from US Talk,
said b listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk said B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
Used Talk SEDB, you Talk said.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First of yesterday's news. I am looking back at when,
so are you?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Actually?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We are looking back at Tuesday. We need to talk
about speed cameras because they're getting new signs and they
are being run by different people. So that'll solve everything
I reckon. And while we're at it, we've got an
agreement on police pay.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I think Chris Carhle says it's not the worst in
the world, but it doesn't take into account the long
protracted industrial dispute and the fact that the risks of
the job have increased, which everybody would acknowledge is true.
So what do you do now you've got a young
person in your family or somebody who's looking to do
a career change, who wants to join the police as
(01:12):
a family member. What do you say. You're a serving
police officer, You've been holding out, probably holding out for
a national led government who are more likely to be reasonable,
who are more likely to want a galvanized police service.
(01:37):
Who have had a lift in morale, who believe that
they have a government who's backing them. So you've probably
been waiting for that, and this is what they're offering.
Is it good enough to keep you here until the
good times roll around the corner?
Speaker 5 (01:55):
You know?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
We're hearing reports from overseas that, yeah, I know, maybe
the streets aren't quite paved with gold the way we've heard.
Times are tough pretty much everywhere. Crime is up. There's
a contempt for authority among certain groups of people that's
on the rise, and that's the world over. So what
(02:20):
do you do? Settle in, wait it out for the
better times that must come, or if you reach breaking point.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I was quite surprised to hear people calling into Quey
show after that and say things like, well, you know,
being in the police, it's not about the money, it's
a calling. And then also it's about the action and
the excitement as well that you're supposed to get paid
(02:55):
what you're worth, don't you news talk z Bean. I
mean I'm glad I don't get paid what i'm worth
because that wouldn't be much money anyway.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
How did Ryan Bridge say the Police Association has lost
its final offer arbitration over pay increases, meaning the government
one Chris Carhill says he can now only quote hope
that officers won't move to Australia en mass, where payers
way higher and conditions are much better, well certainly in
some states. On the face of it, the offer actually
(03:29):
looks pretty good, along with a lump sum and overtime
being paid, which is not to be scoffed at. The
increases are actually four percent from July first backdated and
four percent from July twenty twenty five. And if we
believe Adrian Ora and Coe's predictions about inflation hitting the
target of one to three percent later this year, then
the increase that the police get will actually beat inflation,
(03:50):
which sounds pretty good, right, not when you consider the
shite sandwich that they've been dealt in the past few years.
Under labor inflation was out of control. It was as
out of control as crime, you could say. It was
running at about six to seven percent, and during that
time police annual pay increased only about three and a
half percent. The police union says it basically had to
(04:12):
suck it up take the deal because if they went
for more it might mean job cuts and We've just
spoken to the police minister. He says he wouldn't have
let that happen. But I mean, how do you know?
So do we want fewer higher paid cops or more
lower paid cops? The reality is that we might get
the worst of both worlds if they upsticks and cross
(04:34):
the ditch, fewer of them and the rest feeling underpaid
and OVERWORKO.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Can I just remind any body in the police who
is considering a career in Australia just remember you will
be dealing mostly with Australians, so you know it would
have to be a really significant bump in pay to
compensate for that.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Right, Qu's talk Ziban.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
All right, let's get into these speed cameras. I'll see
if I can get Jack to explain the situation.
Speaker 7 (05:06):
Each of the permanent speed cameras is going to be
accompanied by a permanent speed camera warning sign. So if
you're driving fast and you are near a speed camera,
you're going to get warned. Now, I get why some
people think it's antithetical. Surely a warning for people about
speed cameras will make them slow down before they get
(05:27):
pinged for driving too fast. Wouldn't it be better to
surprise them with an unwelcome letter in the mail. Oh
bad news, you owe us a couple hundred bucks. Nah,
I reckon it's good. I reckon it's good. After all,
the most important thing about a speed camera is ultimately
not whether it makes us money, but whether it makes
drivers slow down.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
That is the whole point.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
And the key thing about permanent speed cameras is if
they're in high danger areas. Right, I see, I would
much rather get all vehicles to slow down in a
high danger area and save a few accidents, then get
some vehicles slowing down and make a few bucks. But
of course, there is one way to improve the system.
Put up your permanent speed cameras. Put up your permanent
(06:12):
speed camera warning signs, But then add a couple of
hundred extra signs for good measure. Not too many, just
enough and in just the right places for it to
seem believable. You don't need the cameras, just put up
the signs. After all, it is not the fines that matter.
It's not the cameras that matter. All that really matters
is whether or not drivers slow down.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
I was gonna suggest that very thing as a joke,
So Jack meant it as a joke. Sometimes I can't
tell if Jack's joking or not, which I think he's
got a very sophisticated sense of humor. And I don't
because you can tell what I'm joking because I'm always joking.
(06:54):
It's a it's a you know, you know, not to
not to take anything that I say seriously because everything
is meant as a joke. This issue is no joking matter. Well,
it's no joking medical kayla. Anyway.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
I think for the stationary ones, like the highest areas,
majority of people are going to slow down to them,
so obviously it's going to reduce the risk in those areas.
I think you're going to sign the put signed up
for the patrol cars or the mobile ones. That's sort
of means that you know, all speed cameras are going
to be signed, so everyone knows what areas to flow
(07:33):
down in and what areas that they can go real fast,
and therefore creating more risk in every other area apart
from the ones that have got cameras in them. That
makes sense.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
I think that's a decent argument as and there's also
I guess just the costs of having these things absolutely everywhere.
But I'm on board with essentially what you're pointing out,
which is warning signs for the fixed ones, understanding that
there will be mobile ones, so that our mentality and
our overall understanding of well, what we're trying to do
(08:04):
here is that the most dangerous stretches of road where
people have been known to crash for a long time,
there are warning signs and speed cameras to stop you
from speeding in order to keep you and others alive. However,
on the general open road, if you think that you
can just get away with speeding, we're going to keep
you slightly on your toes by not knowing whether there's
(08:26):
going to be a police officer or a van.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yes, exactly, because if you signed them all people are
going to know, you know, where they can sort of
get away with it, and then you know you're going
to have more excellences than those areas that they have cameras.
Because I know this is going to be done there.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
There might be cops sitting there with a radar gun.
No Roscoe Pee Coltrane style in a speed trap. What
do you mean you don't remember the dukes of hazard?
What do you mean? Stop talking, old man, and get
on with the show News Talk.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Has it been you guys.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Hard on an old geezer? Here's another old he's at Marcus.
He has noticed that the story as well.
Speaker 8 (09:12):
I'm not quite sure where I am about speed cameras.
So what they are doing is that they are putting
signs on all our speed cameras to warn people where
they are. Now, I'm not going to get all raindy
(09:37):
about this, because life's busy enough without getting worried about
things like speed cameras. But it's weird the way because
I would have thought, right, you'd want to find the
system that's the most effective. So if you want to
(09:58):
tell everyone with speed cameras are, do you even need
speed cameras in those boxes? It's weird. I don't quite
understand the psychology of its speed cameras.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Right.
Speaker 8 (10:13):
There'll be signs outside all of them in Auckland and
Northland in a matter of weeks. It's to warn and
alert motorists to permanent speed cameras. Go figure, because the
(10:35):
only people that wouldn't be aware of permanent speed cameras
would be people There are tourists that are driving randomly
and the other ones that probably need to slow down
going in and out of town. So can someone explain
to it that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Apparently there's a public perception that safety cameras are in
a enforcement revenue gathering tool. That's the whole point of them,
(10:59):
Isn't it to enforce speeding? And cash is the only
deterrent really that we know that we can use or demerits.
But I think all political parties are in accordance with this.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I don't think they're enforcing speeding. Aren't they enforcing not speeding?
You're doing the wrong way around? Can we also have
signs for red light cameras wherever they are as well?
I got a fine for it was a very complicatedly
(11:34):
worded fine. It was something to do with a traffic
control device. I think they mean a red arrow came
up on the traffic light while I was turning through
the interception, And I think that it came up on
one of those intersections. Whether you only get about five seconds,
(11:55):
So you're waiting in a queue of traffic, The whole
que moves and then as you're turning the corner you
realize that the light's gone orange and red. Well, you're
halfway through the intersection, I'm quite sure what you're supposed
to doing it, The domestic manager said, I should you
demand the photo and contest certain stuff? I'm sure if
(12:19):
I'd probably got it wrong and there's no excuse, but
I might have been a bit more careful if there'd
been a sign for saying I am a queen Heart.
That has been the Bean, and it will be again tomorrow, said.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
US Talks, Talking Zaid Bean. For more from US Talk,
said b listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iHeartRadio
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