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July 29, 2024 12 mins

FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from Monday on Newstalk ZB) Even If That's What We Want Them to Be/Crimes Are Never the Victim's Fault. Ever/That About Warps it Up for Democracy/Swimming and Speaking

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcoming to the bean four Tuesday,
first of the Yesterday's News. I am Glen Hart, and
we are looking back at Monday. We've got a culture
of victim blaming in this country and that's stopping people
coming forward. So that can't be good. Ryan Bridge is
just having a little look at the end of democracy

(00:43):
as we know it.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Again, probably not good.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
And Marcus wants a little word on the Olympics. I
think specifically about the interviewing people after they just got
out of the pool for any of that boot camps.
Sorry sorry, keep calling them boot camps only because everybody
else does. The military academies are underway, and that was
solve all of our problems, hooray.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
And then we'd ask the obvious question, how many cops
does two million dollars buy? And then we might ask
how much material difference two million dollars worth of more
cops would make on youth crime rates as opposed to
two million dollars spent on giving a golden ticket to
ten lucky boys. And let me repeat though. Don't get

(01:31):
me wrong, I wish these boys all the best, and
I'm sure the idea will work. We already have versions
of these schemes in place. We actually already have thousands
more kids and juvenile care and attention, but that not
these kids with a separate two hundred and nineteen grand
in a custom built facility just out Apami being lavished

(01:52):
with retraining. So here are things I want to know.
I'd like to know who these ten boys are, and
I'd like to know how they became the boys that
they are, why they were chosen from the thousands of
the youth justice system. And then I want to follow
their progress very careful, and I want an in depth
study of what happened to them after the course finishes.

(02:13):
I want to know how much crime they committed before
this year, and then I need to know how much
crime they commit after this year, because at the end
of the day, for me, this is an experiment and
nothing more.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, I guess it's going to be interesting. A lot
of the stuff that the coalition government's doing is because
you know, people have been bleeding on about you know,
going back to the future and the government's going, okay,
let's give it a go. So it's going to be
interesting to see what kind of an effect that these

(02:46):
things do have. Let's not criticize too much before they
don't work, but after they don't work, oh yeah, if
they don't work, you know, it's just be interesting to
see exactly how many people are adding up.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
What hasn't worked.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
News talk ze been.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
What can I say?

Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm just not a fan of boot camps, But then
I'm not a fan of school either.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
How about Kirie Wooden? What does she think?

Speaker 5 (03:17):
Is it the teachers? It always used to be education
and good teachers used to be able to save kids
who were on a fast track to nowhere? Is it
having somebody an authority look you in the eye and
say you are worth more than the life you are living.

(03:40):
We can help you change Or is that all very
mister Chips? You know, I mean, everybody wants the miraculous
life transformation. Everybody wants the young people to believe in themselves,
to believe they have something worthwhile to offer, to be
able to participate in the community and take the best
that the community can offer while at the same time

(04:02):
giving back. But it just doesn't work like that. These
kids have got mountains to climb, there are people willing
to help them. There are also, I think, people who
are making a good dollar who are setting up programs

(04:22):
without any kind of stringent evaluation. So I want to
make sure that any kind of program, including these boot camps, works,
and if the dollars aren't working, then put them somewhere.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Else interesting that are skepticism coming through?

Speaker 3 (04:36):
There isn't there.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
I noticed Carry calls them boot camps as rough, but
they're military academies, and I want to make that quite clear.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Que's talk siban.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Okay, Now, let's not blame the victims. They actually know
where this came from. But that's what they were talking
about yesterday afternoon.

Speaker 6 (04:58):
I understand that as a parent you want to protect
your child and that you can have the conclusion that
there are things in this life that are that are unfair,
and the way that females are targeted is one of
those things. So that might be your conclusion. Aren't we
also missing this whole other thing of well, why don't

(05:19):
we try to educate our sons so that our sons
understand things like consent?

Speaker 7 (05:26):
Well, this is the thing. I just think education is huge,
and I think there's so many other things. In my case,
there was the perpetrator was on drugs and all that.
It's a huge it's such huge box of things we
need to educate.

Speaker 6 (05:41):
Do you blame yourself?

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Yes?

Speaker 7 (05:44):
I did. I did because the two people are very
dear to me. The first things out of their mouth
was why did you go back there? And it was
six o'clock at night, and I felt I should have
been able to go back to those premises without anyone
thinking that of me. I should be able to go
there at three in the morning for arguments sake. But

(06:06):
unfortunately he was lame and wait and had seen me
for a long time and did what he did, and
he virtually left me for dead. I was lucky to
come out with my life.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's terrible, wasn't it that people say things like that?

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Why were you there? Why were you dressed like that?
Why did you say the things you did? You know?
I had?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I had some crime happened to me over the weekend,
nowhere near as serious. My number plates got knicked off
my car.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
And my car was parked.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
At a at a at a business car park.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
At a business off the road.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
But it was you know, left there over the weekend,
came back and got it at the end of the weekend,
and realized when I got home that I didn't have
any number plates in my car anymore. And yes, you
can say, oh, well you left your car there by
itself or lonely eg But yeah, that's not the point,

(07:13):
is it. It's amazing how quickly you you are to
blame for.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Some other delinquent.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
I wonder if we sent them to a boot camp
whether they wouldn't do that. Right from local delinquency to
global delinquency. There's real rat bags in charge of countries
at the moment, or trying to be in charge of countries.
And Ryan brig isn't happy about it.

Speaker 8 (07:44):
If you look apart from the Olympics in France, the
election result there has left them basically in limbo. I
mean who was actually running the government? You know, the
the Olympics is kind of the spectacle, that's a side show,
but really who's running the place. And there's such an
extreme spectrum from that vote that they had. You've had
Hungary's victor Or Barne at the weekend talking about nationalism.

(08:07):
You know, he's pot mate. He says there's a shift
in global power underway. In a few decades or centuries.
He reckons Asia will be the center of the world.
The future big powers China, India, Pakistan, Indonesia. The West
has pushed Russia towards this block of countries, he reckons.
The International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistants says half

(08:29):
of the world's countries are suffering democratic decline. They say
things like flawed elections and curtailed rights of freedom and
assembly and speech are reducing the power of democracy across
the world. And this is six consecutive years of declines,
they say. So, I don't really know what the conclusion

(08:51):
of all that is, other than I suppose just keep
watching the Olympics and forget about it.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
I mean, have we come to the point where, Seedgin,
we know that democracy is a bit of a failed experiment.
We've been speaking about social experiment. It's on the podcast today,
haven't we. And we kind of deep down we like
the idea of a benevolent dictator better. Somebody just will

(09:19):
tell us what to do and tell us that everything's
going to be all right and ta care of us.
Often I think that way right down to you know,
the court and everything is actually tied together in this
podcast so far, you know, like the crime justice victims

(09:42):
things like that as well. You know, the jury system
it's flawed too, because it's only the people who've got
nothing better to do or who can't get out of it,
or who really want to be on a jury. And
those of the definitely not the people you want on
the jury. And sometimes you think maybe you'd be better
off just with a judge, somebody who actually knows the law,

(10:02):
has seen it all before them, you know, making the decisions.
But then that's right corruption as well. I don't know
what the answers are. I'm just I'm just trying to
make a podcast.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, news talk.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Has it been like these swimmers who perhaps aren't swimming
up to their personal bests in Paris? I mean they're trying,
They're giving it a go, aren't they.

Speaker 9 (10:24):
I'll tell you something that I've got to say right.
I'm going to say it now because no one else
has said it. All the Kiwi athletes that I've seen
swim or compete, and then they've spoken to an interviewer
who's for kei we TV straight out of the event.
All the athletes, even when they've just got the heartbreak
of a key we key we gold. I call it

(10:45):
the fourth They have always shown extraordinary grace and humility,
and I think the commentation. I think the interviewers are
better without not saying things like oh that that you
came forth that much must suck. It's all been done
quite well and quite safe. You know, it's not too
awkward to watch like it has been in the past.

(11:07):
I don't know if the swimmers have got the memo.
It's the chef demission's job, but everyone who has spoken
to the to the TV person's done it with great
great and people like that. It's important for people back
home to see what there's Oh yeah, no, I did
my best. It's a great day, and I'm fourth in
the world and I felt good for that and all that.
And I've said about five or six of these people,
and all of them have spoke very very well. So

(11:28):
go you. So if have your kids get to the
Athletics or the Olympics, tell them at the end of
the event to not sound too despondent to the cameras,
because we don't want to hear that we just was,
oh well, I gave them a best It's great to
be here.

Speaker 8 (11:42):
I've loved all of it.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'd like it if they were just step further and
said stuff like it's only sport.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
What a doddle.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
You know.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
I could be going to an.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Office, being in doing the accounts, adding up the wages,
working out somebody's annual leave. Here I am swimming up
and down the pool. I don't really understand professional sports

(12:12):
when I say it like.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
That, it's a strange. Mind you come.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I'm sitting here watching a computer as I record my voice.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Into it for you to listen to. How weird? Is that.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
A sort of an eclipticalistic, philosophical kind of existential podcast?

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Today?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Have you found no? No, just the same old dyes? Okay,
then we'll be back with more of that tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
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