September 9, 2024 • 12 mins
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart, and we
are looking back at Monday. Oh and where are we
at with education right now?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
A gang crime.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Ryan has some ideas around this and forestry and.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You know whether that's been good or bad or otherwise.
We'll get into that as well. And finally, what is
bad is the state of the all.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Blacks according to a lot of Agy fans anyway. So
we're going to dig into all of this. But first up,
I think Andrew Dickens thinks that the coalition government has
got the emphasis a little bit too much on the
coal enough on national.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Here's why a couple of reasons.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
This is a virtue signaling side show. And it is divisive,
like vaccinations is divisive, mandates are divisive, and talking about
the Middle East is divisive. The Treaty Principles Bill, I'm
afraid to say, is divisive. And the reason it's a
virtue signaling side show is that both National and New
Zealand First have already said it will not get past
(01:34):
the first reading. So why the hell are we talking
about this? This is a dead policy walking. Why not
kill it now and stop wasting our time and our
money and our emotion on a wasteful argument if we
know it's not going any further, or why doesn't National
New Zealand First change their mind? Go on, change your mind,
(01:58):
support your coalition partner, but you know what will happen
then then you'll be branded as flippy floppy. So either way,
I don't see how this helps the majority partner of
the coalition National. You have a divided angry nation at
each other's throat, or you look weak, excellent, great planning,
(02:18):
good management. Who is in charge of this coalition? And
speaking of who is in charge of this coalition, former
gun lobbyist Nicole McKee has used her power as a
government minister to reduce regulation for gun clubs without any
public consultation. Now, I don't have a major beef about
(02:39):
what she changed. However, she did abandon true democratic process
as though it's her own personal fifetom. But here's my
reminder to National, because National needs a reminder that when
this legislation that she is revoking was first introduced. This
was after the Musk atrocity. Every single member of National
voted for it. So were you wrong then or are
(03:03):
you wrong now? And speaking about the Mousk atrocity, how
do you think Nicole mca? He is making everybody in
the Muslim community feel? Oh my god? Isn't that division?
All these stories feels like the tail wagging the dog,
and all these stories make the majority coalition leader National
look weak.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
If I was in National, I wouldn't like that either.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Guns and race. What a fantastic combination. That sounds like
a delicious cocktail.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Oh my goodness. And Andrew puts it like that. You
do have to pause for concerning, don't you a little bit?
I wish you wouldn't put things like that.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Stop putting things like that, andrews News talk. Has it
been right?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So education, I think we've sort of all that. I
think it's going to be great. The educating system is
going to be great.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
So if the kids fail, it's because they don't know
what they're supposed to know for their age. The answer
to that particular problem is not to can the exam
and the answer to that particular problem is to teach
the kids what they're supposed to know, so they know
what all the other kids around the country do.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (04:15):
It begs the question why is put it to a college?
Not teaching the kids what they're supposed to know for
their age? Does that maybe go some way to explaining
why at put it to a college. In twenty twenty two,
only twenty eight percent of school leavers got NCEEA level three.
Do we have a little problem here?
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Maybe?
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Why isn't the school freaking out about this that the
kids don't know what kids at other schools know. Now lately,
because these exams have kicked in, and the lead up
to these exams and the first time these exams have
kicked in and stuff, we have had a lot of
complaining from educators. I've been told that actually, most teachers
and principles and secondary schools do support these exams, and
the complaining and the resistance that we're hearing in public
(04:56):
is coming from a very loud minority. Now, I truly
hope that that actually is the case, because I am
shocked on two fronts. Number one, that these kids do
not know what they're supposed to know for their age,
and number two more shocked that their educators don't seem
to think that that's a massive problem. Meanwhile, outside of Portador,
up and down the country, kids will sit these exams
(05:18):
and they will pass because they have been taught what
they're supposed to know, which is how it's supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
A very good.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Friend of mine, I think her job, she's got one
of those jobs where you don't really know what the
job is, but I think what it is is going
around schools and making sure that they are actually teaching
what they're supposed to be teaching. And she has assured
me that they are slowly turning things around, but it
(05:44):
does take a bit of time, so stop worrying about it.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You's talk Siben.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Ryan's been reading op eds. If you ask me, that's
that way madness lies. But anyway, he has, and he's
found one that has been.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
A little bit critical of the government's attitude towards gangs
and some of the gang based policy.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
He's got no time for the gang apologists.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
I think I interviewed a guy called Puck out of
the Hawkspay. He was with the Mungol mob. This is
years ago, and he was done for a homicide and
spent time in prison, but then turned his life around,
had a positive role model, and he knew what he
had done was wrong. I sat down with him for
a good couple of hours, had a good chat. He
knew what he had done was wrong, and was remorseful
(06:34):
and really sorry and wanted to apologize to the people
that he had heard. And then I found out about
a year later, back in jail, he had turned his
life around. In fact, the then Prime Minister Sindra Dernad
used him as an example of somebody who could turn
their life around with a positive role model, etc. Anyway,
(06:55):
he then did some horrendous domestic violent stuff, dealing meth
in prison.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I mean, you name it.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
So there's a guy who I know knows what he
did was wrong, you know, and he had bad influences
growing up all that knows what he did was wrong,
but did it anyway?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Kind of does come down to a sort of a
nature versus nurture conversation, doesn't it. I'm a big nurture guy.
But that does mean that sometimes the surroundings in which
within which you are being raised we have a massive.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Impact on what happens later on.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Doesn't mean that you don't have any personal responsibility for
what happens later on. And it's hard, isn't It's one
of the things you've got to teach kids his personal responsibility.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
But if nobody does teach you that, and does that
mean you don't have any man, it's a tricky much.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Giving a clicktic sort of podcast today.
Speaker 8 (07:59):
It.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Was very very day on news Thoughts that'd be yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Actually, Kirie would have wanted to talk about the benefits
of farmland versus forestry.
Speaker 8 (08:09):
I don't want to sit there and watch pine trees growing.
That's not my life's dream. But what am I to do?
What can we do? What makes it worth a farm
as well to keep their land in livestock. For those
of you who have stock, who have beef, who have lamb,
(08:31):
who have dairy, do you sometimes look at the trees
and think, oh, imagine, wouldn't have to do a bloody thing.
I could sit on the porch think my thoughts, never
have to go out because a lambs are using trouble
birthing a lamb, or never have to go up because
(08:54):
it's raining and wet and cold, and the baby lambs
are going to die unless they get some shelter, never
have to get up early again, just aches and acres
of pine trees. Does anyone do any farmers think bliss?
And when it comes to the rural communities, how are
you going? How are you surviving? Do you see yourself
(09:16):
as under threat? Or are you regaining lost grounds?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I reckon there are worse things from life than sending
me are watching trees grow.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It does sound quite nice.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
And also for not getting up early things that sounds
quite nice as I see here at four twenty nine
am recording this.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Made me think, now, news talk has it been okay?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
So of course national anths over the all Blacks.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
We're not as anxety as we're used to be. I
suppose there's.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
A certain section of society that used to be as
anxiety as they used to be, and they still are.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Marcus, this is just one of the worst All Black
sides for some time. We have no depth in any position.
We have an ordinary first five. There seems to be
too much aimless kicking and a general lack of dis
These issues would have been there for a number of years.
Would you sleep any of the current abs in the world?
Fifteen if so, wouldn't be more than one or two. Thanks,
(10:17):
ben Is, because you have some extremely good players, great players,
and they would spring up between rugby World Cups. I
don't know who in the current crop is that world beater, Marcus.
Now use blame me a coach if it's if it
is the players that perform badly, it's the player's fault,
(10:38):
not the coaches. All though they've said couches Marcus, Louise
is right as you know, Marcus, I still say the
captainisty is while Lena McDonald left, Barrett not up to it,
and yes he will struggle going forward if they don't
take it off him. Lois on the money, sorry to say, Marcus.
(11:01):
Women's rugby tem are not going to beat England on
the Northern Tour either. Troublers that when very good top players,
since their careers are ending, they begin to chase money,
usually off shore. Just pay them until they are not
worth even token payments. Cheers John.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
Yes, and maybe that's about it.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Maybe you're going to bring the players back.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Are they the worst team?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
And sometimes I thought that they did some good things
and then they did some atrocious things. The defensive well,
I think it was supposed to be offensive the bomb
that McKenzie kicked in the seventy sixth minute of the
game when they.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Needed to convert to try to win.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Please, please, guys, can you just stop kicking them all
away all the time? Why are you doing that? This
something I don't understand about rugby. I don't I understand
why that's a good tactic, especially when you're behind. And
I also don't understand why you take off a player
who's playing as well as courtier as Ratama was to
(12:05):
bring on an aging player who seems to think that
it's more important to complain to the ref about what
the rules of the game are than to actually pick
up the ball and pass it to his back.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
It's just my two cents be maybe I should go
back to not watching it. I think I've made a
mistake watching the rugby. It's not helping my mental health.
I am glen hat sorry.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It was all of it full on this podcast today.
Wasn't it all full of deep conundrums. I'll try and
be more superficial and silly tomorrow sees Us Talks Talk.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Has it been.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
For more from news Talk, said b Listen live on
air or online and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk said B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
Used Talk SEDB, You Talk Said.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Tuesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart, and we
are looking back at Monday. Oh and where are we
at with education right now?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
A gang crime.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Ryan has some ideas around this and forestry and.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
You know whether that's been good or bad or otherwise.
We'll get into that as well. And finally, what is
bad is the state of the all.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Blacks according to a lot of Agy fans anyway. So
we're going to dig into all of this. But first up,
I think Andrew Dickens thinks that the coalition government has
got the emphasis a little bit too much on the
coal enough on national.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Here's why a couple of reasons.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
This is a virtue signaling side show. And it is divisive,
like vaccinations is divisive, mandates are divisive, and talking about
the Middle East is divisive. The Treaty Principles Bill, I'm
afraid to say, is divisive. And the reason it's a
virtue signaling side show is that both National and New
Zealand First have already said it will not get past
(01:34):
the first reading. So why the hell are we talking
about this? This is a dead policy walking. Why not
kill it now and stop wasting our time and our
money and our emotion on a wasteful argument if we
know it's not going any further, or why doesn't National
New Zealand First change their mind? Go on, change your mind,
(01:58):
support your coalition partner, but you know what will happen
then then you'll be branded as flippy floppy. So either way,
I don't see how this helps the majority partner of
the coalition National. You have a divided angry nation at
each other's throat, or you look weak, excellent, great planning,
(02:18):
good management. Who is in charge of this coalition? And
speaking of who is in charge of this coalition, former
gun lobbyist Nicole McKee has used her power as a
government minister to reduce regulation for gun clubs without any
public consultation. Now, I don't have a major beef about
(02:39):
what she changed. However, she did abandon true democratic process
as though it's her own personal fifetom. But here's my
reminder to National, because National needs a reminder that when
this legislation that she is revoking was first introduced. This
was after the Musk atrocity. Every single member of National
voted for it. So were you wrong then or are
(03:03):
you wrong now? And speaking about the Mousk atrocity, how
do you think Nicole mca? He is making everybody in
the Muslim community feel? Oh my god? Isn't that division?
All these stories feels like the tail wagging the dog,
and all these stories make the majority coalition leader National
look weak.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
If I was in National, I wouldn't like that either.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Guns and race. What a fantastic combination. That sounds like
a delicious cocktail.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Oh my goodness. And Andrew puts it like that. You
do have to pause for concerning, don't you a little bit?
I wish you wouldn't put things like that.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Stop putting things like that, andrews News talk. Has it
been right?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
So education, I think we've sort of all that. I
think it's going to be great. The educating system is
going to be great.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
So if the kids fail, it's because they don't know
what they're supposed to know for their age. The answer
to that particular problem is not to can the exam
and the answer to that particular problem is to teach
the kids what they're supposed to know, so they know
what all the other kids around the country do.
Speaker 6 (04:14):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (04:15):
It begs the question why is put it to a college?
Not teaching the kids what they're supposed to know for
their age? Does that maybe go some way to explaining
why at put it to a college. In twenty twenty two,
only twenty eight percent of school leavers got NCEEA level three.
Do we have a little problem here?
Speaker 6 (04:33):
Maybe?
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Why isn't the school freaking out about this that the
kids don't know what kids at other schools know. Now lately,
because these exams have kicked in, and the lead up
to these exams and the first time these exams have
kicked in and stuff, we have had a lot of
complaining from educators. I've been told that actually, most teachers
and principles and secondary schools do support these exams, and
the complaining and the resistance that we're hearing in public
(04:56):
is coming from a very loud minority. Now, I truly
hope that that actually is the case, because I am
shocked on two fronts. Number one, that these kids do
not know what they're supposed to know for their age,
and number two more shocked that their educators don't seem
to think that that's a massive problem. Meanwhile, outside of Portador,
up and down the country, kids will sit these exams
(05:18):
and they will pass because they have been taught what
they're supposed to know, which is how it's supposed to be.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
A very good.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Friend of mine, I think her job, she's got one
of those jobs where you don't really know what the
job is, but I think what it is is going
around schools and making sure that they are actually teaching
what they're supposed to be teaching. And she has assured
me that they are slowly turning things around, but it
(05:44):
does take a bit of time, so stop worrying about it.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You's talk Siben.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Ryan's been reading op eds. If you ask me, that's
that way madness lies. But anyway, he has, and he's
found one that has been.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
A little bit critical of the government's attitude towards gangs
and some of the gang based policy.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
He's got no time for the gang apologists.
Speaker 7 (06:10):
I think I interviewed a guy called Puck out of
the Hawkspay. He was with the Mungol mob. This is
years ago, and he was done for a homicide and
spent time in prison, but then turned his life around,
had a positive role model, and he knew what he
had done was wrong. I sat down with him for
a good couple of hours, had a good chat. He
knew what he had done was wrong, and was remorseful
(06:34):
and really sorry and wanted to apologize to the people
that he had heard. And then I found out about
a year later, back in jail, he had turned his
life around. In fact, the then Prime Minister Sindra Dernad
used him as an example of somebody who could turn
their life around with a positive role model, etc. Anyway,
(06:55):
he then did some horrendous domestic violent stuff, dealing meth
in prison.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I mean, you name it.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
So there's a guy who I know knows what he
did was wrong, you know, and he had bad influences
growing up all that knows what he did was wrong,
but did it anyway?
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Kind of does come down to a sort of a
nature versus nurture conversation, doesn't it. I'm a big nurture guy.
But that does mean that sometimes the surroundings in which
within which you are being raised we have a massive.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Impact on what happens later on.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Doesn't mean that you don't have any personal responsibility for
what happens later on. And it's hard, isn't It's one
of the things you've got to teach kids his personal responsibility.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
But if nobody does teach you that, and does that
mean you don't have any man, it's a tricky much.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Giving a clicktic sort of podcast today.
Speaker 8 (07:59):
It.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Was very very day on news Thoughts that'd be yesterday.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Actually, Kirie would have wanted to talk about the benefits
of farmland versus forestry.
Speaker 8 (08:09):
I don't want to sit there and watch pine trees growing.
That's not my life's dream. But what am I to do?
What can we do? What makes it worth a farm
as well to keep their land in livestock. For those
of you who have stock, who have beef, who have lamb,
(08:31):
who have dairy, do you sometimes look at the trees
and think, oh, imagine, wouldn't have to do a bloody thing.
I could sit on the porch think my thoughts, never
have to go out because a lambs are using trouble
birthing a lamb, or never have to go up because
(08:54):
it's raining and wet and cold, and the baby lambs
are going to die unless they get some shelter, never
have to get up early again, just aches and acres
of pine trees. Does anyone do any farmers think bliss?
And when it comes to the rural communities, how are
you going? How are you surviving? Do you see yourself
(09:16):
as under threat? Or are you regaining lost grounds?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I reckon there are worse things from life than sending
me are watching trees grow.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
It does sound quite nice.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
And also for not getting up early things that sounds
quite nice as I see here at four twenty nine
am recording this.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Made me think, now, news talk has it been okay?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
So of course national anths over the all Blacks.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
We're not as anxety as we're used to be. I
suppose there's.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
A certain section of society that used to be as
anxiety as they used to be, and they still are.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Marcus, this is just one of the worst All Black
sides for some time. We have no depth in any position.
We have an ordinary first five. There seems to be
too much aimless kicking and a general lack of dis
These issues would have been there for a number of years.
Would you sleep any of the current abs in the world?
Fifteen if so, wouldn't be more than one or two. Thanks,
(10:17):
ben Is, because you have some extremely good players, great players,
and they would spring up between rugby World Cups. I
don't know who in the current crop is that world beater, Marcus.
Now use blame me a coach if it's if it
is the players that perform badly, it's the player's fault,
(10:38):
not the coaches. All though they've said couches Marcus, Louise
is right as you know, Marcus, I still say the
captainisty is while Lena McDonald left, Barrett not up to it,
and yes he will struggle going forward if they don't
take it off him. Lois on the money, sorry to say, Marcus.
(11:01):
Women's rugby tem are not going to beat England on
the Northern Tour either. Troublers that when very good top players,
since their careers are ending, they begin to chase money,
usually off shore. Just pay them until they are not
worth even token payments. Cheers John.
Speaker 7 (11:18):
Yes, and maybe that's about it.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Maybe you're going to bring the players back.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Are they the worst team?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
And sometimes I thought that they did some good things
and then they did some atrocious things. The defensive well,
I think it was supposed to be offensive the bomb
that McKenzie kicked in the seventy sixth minute of the
game when they.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Needed to convert to try to win.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Please, please, guys, can you just stop kicking them all
away all the time? Why are you doing that? This
something I don't understand about rugby. I don't I understand
why that's a good tactic, especially when you're behind. And
I also don't understand why you take off a player
who's playing as well as courtier as Ratama was to
(12:05):
bring on an aging player who seems to think that
it's more important to complain to the ref about what
the rules of the game are than to actually pick
up the ball and pass it to his back.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
It's just my two cents be maybe I should go
back to not watching it. I think I've made a
mistake watching the rugby. It's not helping my mental health.
I am glen hat sorry.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
It was all of it full on this podcast today.
Wasn't it all full of deep conundrums. I'll try and
be more superficial and silly tomorrow sees Us Talks Talk.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Has it been.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
For more from news Talk, said b Listen live on
air or online and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio.
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