September 15, 2024 • 13 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from the weekend on Newstalk ZB) It's Kind of the Point Of Act/Still On a High/Is Social Media the Worst Thing We Ever Invented?/You Have to Laugh, Though, Don't You?/Eight of Ten for Troy
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
My beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Being the Week.
In addition, first with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart,
and we are looking back at Sunday and Saturday, which
is when weekends usually happen. We're going to catch up
with Hamish Kerr as he's still basking in the after
glow of his golden surprise. I don't know why the
(00:45):
term golden surprise sounded like some kind of goody thing.
I don't know why. Anyway, Let's move on quickly. Social
media is terrible and we should never have invented it.
Is it important to have a sense of humor these
days in the wake of our football ferns hugging mcking Yeah,
(01:06):
what a hi drama there, eh? And Troy Kingey, I
think he's up to the eighth volume of his ten
albums and ten years and ten different genres odyssey. I
think he's got a more succinct way of saying that.
Maybe not, we'll find out at the end of the pod.
But the first up, Ah, this Treaty Principle's Bill, David Seymour,
will you just leave it alone?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Should we be concerned that national so staunchly against it
in terms of the discussion, And why is the PM
against I guess it's just unpalatable politically.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Well, I'm not going to speak for him, but all
I would say is that it's always taken a certain
amount of courage to bring these things up. And if
there's one reason I'm in ACT and I'm not an
ANT and I'm not in any other party, it's because
I've always admired you before I was involved in Act,
the ability of the party to take on tough topics
(01:58):
where others feared to treat And I think it's important
that we're able to have these debates. If the gun
laws are wrong, we should say so. If euthanasia is
a desperate need for our most vulnerable citizens, we should
say so. If the COVID response is actually doing more
harm than good to some people, they should have a voice.
And if our treaty has been twisted over the past
(02:21):
fifty years by the courts and the White Tangi Tribunal
and so on, and in such a way that it's
become divisive. We should say so, and that's why I'm
proud to be at See.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
David's problem is he keeps thinking logically about things and
talking common sense, and he's never going to get anywhere
doing that sort of thing. When's he going to learn?
Come on, David, seriously, news talk? Has it been all right?
So Hamishkur has been doing the rounds, doing a few
interviews post returning from Paris, trying to explain why it
(02:58):
just went so crazy after winning the gold medal. What
was he thinking?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
How often does your mind drift back to that Olympic
final five weeks to.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Go a lot? Yeah, it's it's definitely a moment that's
there's burnt into my mind for the rest of my life.
But yeah, it's probably probably not in the ways that
people think. I I remember the run across the field,
and I remember spending a lot of time in media
and and and doping and and various other things afterwards,
(03:32):
and then and then spending time with my family.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
The run across the field was that that that can't
have been premeditated?
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Was that just spur of the moment adrenaline rush?
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Ah, it was a little bit premunitated. I so so
athletics has got this thing. So there's obviously a lot
going on in the stadium, and that's that's something that's
massive for our sports. It's really cool, you know, you
get to go along and and and just watch all
these events happening at once. Most people say, like, man,
I didn't realize how busy it was, and it is.
There's it's just hectic. But in saying that, like the
(04:04):
middle of the field is never used. It's it's javelin,
it's discussed, it's it's the long throws get thrown into
the middle of the field. But because of that, no
athletes everuld go in there. And so you're only kind
of involving like one portion of the stadium at any
given moment. And so typically in a high jump, obviously
being at one side of the stadium, if I was to,
like when the competition or something big happened, I'd run
(04:25):
towards the crowd, and that would then mean that the
rest of the stadium is not involved anymore. And knowing
that it was right at the end of the at
the meat the entire stadium was clapping and getting behind
the jump off, I just think it was fitting to
instead of running towards one side, running right into the middle,
because then everyone could sort of get a bit of
(04:48):
a taste and celebrate.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
With me, we're weird. I mean, I don't think anybody
really minded to day. I thought they thought it was
pretty cool. But on pioneering him explain that it's like
he had a reason for it, and that makes its
sort of less fun in a way. I think I
was sort of hoping that it was just a spontaneous thing,
and he didn't really. I think in the moment they just
(05:10):
ran around like an idiot. Whatever, let's move on. Ques
talk SI all right, So yeah they're talking. They're discussing
the social media ban in Australia, even though they're's really
no way they're going to enforce one the kids, but
(05:30):
probably a good idea ban it completely. Just don't have it.
I try and uninvented, please, because it's so bad.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
The a lot of social and psychological damage in young
people stems directly from social media. No phones until high
school and keep kids off social media until at least
this until at least the age of sixteen. Jonathan Height says,
don't you think it's crazy that social media executives openly
admit they refuse to let their own kids use the
(05:58):
platforms while claiming it's all good for everyone else's I
personally supported the phone ban in schools. I just think
it's common sense. And in a way this is the
same because it's a collective action problem. Right. So at
the moment, parents know that if they let their kid
on social media at a young age, even at thirteen,
(06:19):
which is the stated age limit for many of the platforms,
it is potentially doing them harm or contributing to harm
in their social groups. But if they deny their kid
any social media platforms, parents often feel that the child
runs the risk of being socially ostracized. And look, it's
(06:40):
easy to say this now given our boys only seven,
but I would like to think that if in the
future it's a binary choice between letting him access social
media when he's really young or supporting him if he
gets stick because lots of his classmates are online and
he's not allowed to be, well, I would still take
the latter option. Maybe I'm just maybe I'm a bit
(07:03):
old school, I'm a bit strict, right, I would still
say sorry, it doesn't matter if all your mates are
on there and getting social media But the thing about
regulation is that if the government stepped in, it would
mean there is a collective standard, the same rules for
everyone right across the board. And if we can agree
that an unregulated system for social media is doing our
(07:25):
kids harm, well, perhaps it is time to consider something different.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Is it the worst thing that we've what's worse? Social
media or nuclear weapons? I feel like social media and
social media killed as many people as nuclear weapons. Is
just be getting out there that more people have lost
their minds and had terrible mental health outcounts on social media,
(07:54):
more in social media the nuclear ever, it's the worst
thing ever. But you know you gotta laughter. Hey, what
can you do if you don't laugh?
Speaker 7 (08:05):
When writing about defining our sense of humor, our find
satirist John Clarke would tell the story of the New
Zealand Division, who during the Second World War won the
Battle for the city of three Estay in northern Italy
against a retreating German army. The Americans arrived after the
battle had finished and the fighting had been done by
(08:26):
the New Zealanders. Once the city was secured, the US
Army decided a victory parade was in order to be
led by the US Marines. The Americans were running the
Italian campaign after all. So the parade went ahead, and
out in front came the US Marines with a large
banner bearing their emblem and the words US Marines second
(08:48):
to None. Behind the march the New Zealanders carrying a
large sheet upon which was written the word none. That's
kiwi right there. But we seem to have misplaced that
kiwi sense of humor and joy recently. And I'm not
saying times aren't tough for some. I'm not saying there
aren't things for us to be worried about, but I
am saying that you can't wait for nothing to be
(09:09):
wrong to decide to be happy or at least lighten
up a bit. It's time to stop letting people get
under our skin. Social media is masterful at this, so
are politicians. They aim to agitate us as a way
to motivate us. Maybe we should take a leaf out
of Kamala Harris's playbook and just raise an eyebrow, smile
and laugh when people start poking at us. New Zealand
(09:30):
is facing real challenges. We all know this. Positivity solutions,
disagreeing agreeably a sense of humor is what we'll make
meeting those challenges bearable. That and maybe a hug.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I'm not a fan, not a fan of humor hum
against it and certainly against hugging. It sounds terrible. I
think probably the Ferns. I wouldn't I'd be totally happy
for them to do all that King hugging hugging if
(10:04):
they hadn't gone on to then play so badly Agains England.
That was appointing, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
News Talk zip Bean?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
All right?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So Troy Kingy he's got a ten year project that
he's coming towards the end of tenor albums, ten years,
ten different genres. There you go something that up a
lot more extinctly about time.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Just for the sake of context, can you talk us
through the process for recording Lea The Man in the
Mahabi Green.
Speaker 8 (10:34):
There's quite a big process obviously. The first part of
that is trying to find funding to get somewhere, and
we happened to record this album over and Joshua Tree
in La so there was a lot of getting the
funds together to get over there. Luckily we were able
to get Tom Herne and Touki on board to film
(10:58):
this documentary. And that essentially got us over there. But
the big impetus behind going over there was those that
don't know I'm doing a ten ten ten series where
I'm trying to do ten albums in ten years, ten
different genres. This was number eight.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
When you try and put something like that in front
of you, you're gonna head a wall at some point.
And I feel like last year was that war. So
going over to the desert was me trying to rekindle
the flame that got me into this industry in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
So Joshua Tree, for people who don't know, California middle
of the desert, like forty degrees every day. It is dry.
It is a super harsh environment, and there is this
amazing studio there, Rancho de la Luna with like Rancho
of the Moon talk to us about that environment.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
I've known about this place for over two decades now.
One of my all time favorite bands, Queens of the
Stone Age, recorded songs for the Death back there that
come out in two thousand and two. It's still my
favorite album to this day. So when Matt, who works
at the at the label I'm with, suggested we go
(12:11):
over there, I always thought it was just a pipe dream,
but actually standing there, you know Dave catching who's also
in Queens of the stone Age, who named Queens of
the Stone Age. He runs the studio, so just being
able to sit with him and him to say, hey, Josh,
use this guitar on the song, or Dave Grohl was
playing the exact same thing. You know, you can't help
(12:35):
but just get excited and inspired.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Is this the right week to be bringing up Dave
Grohl his own troubles? Isn't he this week? Anyway? Good luck,
tom I am gleen hat sorry for bringing up Dave
grol and it's probably emphasizing even worse. What Dave Growl's
(12:58):
been up to wasn't really relevant, and I've made it worse.
I wish you'd stop listening before I did this, but
but sometimes you like to listen to the end, don't you.
So sometimes it's worth it probably wasn't this time. Sometimes
you just never know. That's that's that's the cool thing
about this podcast. You just never know. So you're back
(13:19):
here again tomorrow. You never know what'll have them.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
To hear the end News Talking Talking zid Bean. For
more from News Talk Said B listen live on air
or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you
go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from news Talk, said b
follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio.
Used Talk said, be you Talk, said.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
My beautiful beanies, and welcome to the Being the Week.
In addition, first with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart,
and we are looking back at Sunday and Saturday, which
is when weekends usually happen. We're going to catch up
with Hamish Kerr as he's still basking in the after
glow of his golden surprise. I don't know why the
(00:45):
term golden surprise sounded like some kind of goody thing.
I don't know why. Anyway, Let's move on quickly. Social
media is terrible and we should never have invented it.
Is it important to have a sense of humor these
days in the wake of our football ferns hugging mcking Yeah,
(01:06):
what a hi drama there, eh? And Troy Kingey, I
think he's up to the eighth volume of his ten
albums and ten years and ten different genres odyssey. I
think he's got a more succinct way of saying that.
Maybe not, we'll find out at the end of the pod.
But the first up, Ah, this Treaty Principle's Bill, David Seymour,
will you just leave it alone?
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Should we be concerned that national so staunchly against it
in terms of the discussion, And why is the PM
against I guess it's just unpalatable politically.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Well, I'm not going to speak for him, but all
I would say is that it's always taken a certain
amount of courage to bring these things up. And if
there's one reason I'm in ACT and I'm not an
ANT and I'm not in any other party, it's because
I've always admired you before I was involved in Act,
the ability of the party to take on tough topics
(01:58):
where others feared to treat And I think it's important
that we're able to have these debates. If the gun
laws are wrong, we should say so. If euthanasia is
a desperate need for our most vulnerable citizens, we should
say so. If the COVID response is actually doing more
harm than good to some people, they should have a voice.
And if our treaty has been twisted over the past
(02:21):
fifty years by the courts and the White Tangi Tribunal
and so on, and in such a way that it's
become divisive. We should say so, and that's why I'm
proud to be at See.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
David's problem is he keeps thinking logically about things and
talking common sense, and he's never going to get anywhere
doing that sort of thing. When's he going to learn?
Come on, David, seriously, news talk? Has it been all right?
So Hamishkur has been doing the rounds, doing a few
interviews post returning from Paris, trying to explain why it
(02:58):
just went so crazy after winning the gold medal. What
was he thinking?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
How often does your mind drift back to that Olympic
final five weeks to.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Go a lot? Yeah, it's it's definitely a moment that's
there's burnt into my mind for the rest of my life.
But yeah, it's probably probably not in the ways that
people think. I I remember the run across the field,
and I remember spending a lot of time in media
and and and doping and and various other things afterwards,
(03:32):
and then and then spending time with my family.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
The run across the field was that that that can't
have been premeditated?
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Was that just spur of the moment adrenaline rush?
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Ah, it was a little bit premunitated. I so so
athletics has got this thing. So there's obviously a lot
going on in the stadium, and that's that's something that's
massive for our sports. It's really cool, you know, you
get to go along and and and just watch all
these events happening at once. Most people say, like, man,
I didn't realize how busy it was, and it is.
There's it's just hectic. But in saying that, like the
(04:04):
middle of the field is never used. It's it's javelin,
it's discussed, it's it's the long throws get thrown into
the middle of the field. But because of that, no
athletes everuld go in there. And so you're only kind
of involving like one portion of the stadium at any
given moment. And so typically in a high jump, obviously
being at one side of the stadium, if I was to,
like when the competition or something big happened, I'd run
(04:25):
towards the crowd, and that would then mean that the
rest of the stadium is not involved anymore. And knowing
that it was right at the end of the at
the meat the entire stadium was clapping and getting behind
the jump off, I just think it was fitting to
instead of running towards one side, running right into the middle,
because then everyone could sort of get a bit of
(04:48):
a taste and celebrate.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
With me, we're weird. I mean, I don't think anybody
really minded to day. I thought they thought it was
pretty cool. But on pioneering him explain that it's like
he had a reason for it, and that makes its
sort of less fun in a way. I think I
was sort of hoping that it was just a spontaneous thing,
and he didn't really. I think in the moment they just
(05:10):
ran around like an idiot. Whatever, let's move on. Ques
talk SI all right, So yeah they're talking. They're discussing
the social media ban in Australia, even though they're's really
no way they're going to enforce one the kids, but
(05:30):
probably a good idea ban it completely. Just don't have it.
I try and uninvented, please, because it's so bad.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
The a lot of social and psychological damage in young
people stems directly from social media. No phones until high
school and keep kids off social media until at least
this until at least the age of sixteen. Jonathan Height says,
don't you think it's crazy that social media executives openly
admit they refuse to let their own kids use the
(05:58):
platforms while claiming it's all good for everyone else's I
personally supported the phone ban in schools. I just think
it's common sense. And in a way this is the
same because it's a collective action problem. Right. So at
the moment, parents know that if they let their kid
on social media at a young age, even at thirteen,
(06:19):
which is the stated age limit for many of the platforms,
it is potentially doing them harm or contributing to harm
in their social groups. But if they deny their kid
any social media platforms, parents often feel that the child
runs the risk of being socially ostracized. And look, it's
(06:40):
easy to say this now given our boys only seven,
but I would like to think that if in the
future it's a binary choice between letting him access social
media when he's really young or supporting him if he
gets stick because lots of his classmates are online and
he's not allowed to be, well, I would still take
the latter option. Maybe I'm just maybe I'm a bit
(07:03):
old school, I'm a bit strict, right, I would still
say sorry, it doesn't matter if all your mates are
on there and getting social media But the thing about
regulation is that if the government stepped in, it would
mean there is a collective standard, the same rules for
everyone right across the board. And if we can agree
that an unregulated system for social media is doing our
(07:25):
kids harm, well, perhaps it is time to consider something different.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Is it the worst thing that we've what's worse? Social
media or nuclear weapons? I feel like social media and
social media killed as many people as nuclear weapons. Is
just be getting out there that more people have lost
their minds and had terrible mental health outcounts on social media,
(07:54):
more in social media the nuclear ever, it's the worst
thing ever. But you know you gotta laughter. Hey, what
can you do if you don't laugh?
Speaker 7 (08:05):
When writing about defining our sense of humor, our find
satirist John Clarke would tell the story of the New
Zealand Division, who during the Second World War won the
Battle for the city of three Estay in northern Italy
against a retreating German army. The Americans arrived after the
battle had finished and the fighting had been done by
(08:26):
the New Zealanders. Once the city was secured, the US
Army decided a victory parade was in order to be
led by the US Marines. The Americans were running the
Italian campaign after all. So the parade went ahead, and
out in front came the US Marines with a large
banner bearing their emblem and the words US Marines second
(08:48):
to None. Behind the march the New Zealanders carrying a
large sheet upon which was written the word none. That's
kiwi right there. But we seem to have misplaced that
kiwi sense of humor and joy recently. And I'm not
saying times aren't tough for some. I'm not saying there
aren't things for us to be worried about, but I
am saying that you can't wait for nothing to be
(09:09):
wrong to decide to be happy or at least lighten
up a bit. It's time to stop letting people get
under our skin. Social media is masterful at this, so
are politicians. They aim to agitate us as a way
to motivate us. Maybe we should take a leaf out
of Kamala Harris's playbook and just raise an eyebrow, smile
and laugh when people start poking at us. New Zealand
(09:30):
is facing real challenges. We all know this. Positivity solutions,
disagreeing agreeably a sense of humor is what we'll make
meeting those challenges bearable. That and maybe a hug.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I'm not a fan, not a fan of humor hum
against it and certainly against hugging. It sounds terrible. I
think probably the Ferns. I wouldn't I'd be totally happy
for them to do all that King hugging hugging if
(10:04):
they hadn't gone on to then play so badly Agains England.
That was appointing, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
News Talk zip Bean?
Speaker 4 (10:14):
All right?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So Troy Kingy he's got a ten year project that
he's coming towards the end of tenor albums, ten years,
ten different genres. There you go something that up a
lot more extinctly about time.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Just for the sake of context, can you talk us
through the process for recording Lea The Man in the
Mahabi Green.
Speaker 8 (10:34):
There's quite a big process obviously. The first part of
that is trying to find funding to get somewhere, and
we happened to record this album over and Joshua Tree
in La so there was a lot of getting the
funds together to get over there. Luckily we were able
to get Tom Herne and Touki on board to film
(10:58):
this documentary. And that essentially got us over there. But
the big impetus behind going over there was those that
don't know I'm doing a ten ten ten series where
I'm trying to do ten albums in ten years, ten
different genres. This was number eight.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
When you try and put something like that in front
of you, you're gonna head a wall at some point.
And I feel like last year was that war. So
going over to the desert was me trying to rekindle
the flame that got me into this industry in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
So Joshua Tree, for people who don't know, California middle
of the desert, like forty degrees every day. It is dry.
It is a super harsh environment, and there is this
amazing studio there, Rancho de la Luna with like Rancho
of the Moon talk to us about that environment.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
I've known about this place for over two decades now.
One of my all time favorite bands, Queens of the
Stone Age, recorded songs for the Death back there that
come out in two thousand and two. It's still my
favorite album to this day. So when Matt, who works
at the at the label I'm with, suggested we go
(12:11):
over there, I always thought it was just a pipe dream,
but actually standing there, you know Dave catching who's also
in Queens of the stone Age, who named Queens of
the Stone Age. He runs the studio, so just being
able to sit with him and him to say, hey, Josh,
use this guitar on the song, or Dave Grohl was
playing the exact same thing. You know, you can't help
(12:35):
but just get excited and inspired.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Is this the right week to be bringing up Dave
Grohl his own troubles? Isn't he this week? Anyway? Good luck,
tom I am gleen hat sorry for bringing up Dave
grol and it's probably emphasizing even worse. What Dave Growl's
(12:58):
been up to wasn't really relevant, and I've made it worse.
I wish you'd stop listening before I did this, but
but sometimes you like to listen to the end, don't you.
So sometimes it's worth it probably wasn't this time. Sometimes
you just never know. That's that's that's the cool thing
about this podcast. You just never know. So you're back
(13:19):
here again tomorrow. You never know what'll have them.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
To hear the end News Talking Talking zid Bean. For
more from News Talk Said B listen live on air
or online, and keep our shows with you wherever you
go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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