September 29, 2024 • 13 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from the weekend on Newstalk ZB) Keep These Kids Away from Me/More Getting On with It/Take That, Beauden Haters/You Are What You Eat - Even When It's Books/Everyone's Getting Back Together
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello among the for Beanis, and welcome to the Being
the Weekend edition. First with yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart,
and we are looking back at Sunday and Saturday, both
those days, which is those are the weekend days. That's
why we're building consents. The government's gonna sort all these
out as we're part of the Stars Treks. Let's get
(00:46):
on with it, vibe they're going for. Are the all
Blacks a bit of an improvement? It's pleasing, encouraging. Who
is Gina Chick? And why is she so lonely? And
the veils are going orchestral. But before any of that, yes,
(01:07):
speaking of the government being track and kick ass, last
week we got a strong message that working from home
is just so uncall and not productive. And yeah, that's
not the only thing that's uncalled and unproductive.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And actually this government is making a bit of a
habit of issuing directives that don't cost it any money
but will probably be met with a similar reaction from
a big slab of the public. I mean a prime
example would be the new cell phone ban in schools. Right,
I have always supported it. I just think it's I
just think it's total consent. I think we'll look back
(01:42):
at it in years to come and be like, oh,
my gosh, can you believe that once upon a time
we let kids have phones in schools? And now even
the opposition education spokesperson supports it too. And perhaps another
example is teacher only days. Unions and schools might rightly
be frustrated at any implication that they are wasting time
(02:04):
or doing something that isn't worthwhile goodness knows, they have
incredibly difficult and undervalued jobs. And look, many schools time
their teacher only days for long weekends, and obviously schools
have to be open for a specific number of days
every year. And personally, I think it's a bit rich
to suggest that teacher only days have a major impact
(02:25):
on truancy. But I for one was honestly surprised to
learn that under the current rules, teacher only days are
actually only supposed to be held outside of term time.
Is there really a compelling reason that shouldn't be the case. Look,
(02:45):
it'll be a blow to morale for teachers and for
many schools, but that directive was all about parents, and
I can tell you now a vast majority of parents
are not going to be marching in the streets to
demand a return of midterm teacher only day.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I mean, I don't have kids at school anymore, that's
long gone. But when I did, I just wanted them
to be away from me as far away from me
for as long as possible. And a teacher only day
meant that their word. And that's frankly in my book, Unforgivable.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
News talk has it been right?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So let's see if we can tidy up the building
consenting process. It seems to be a lot of red tape,
a lot of backage boards, a lot of double ups,
a lot of bureaucracy, and I think it's Chris Pink's
job to sort of that out.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Good lad, What is the purpose of the building consent system?
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Well, that's a really good question if you look at
it at first principles, we want buildings to be safe,
good quality, also sustainable chuck that in there as well,
but basically we want a good quality, but we also
want a system that is going to allow things to
be built and a reasonable period of time and have
a reasonable cost, and the balance isn't quite right at
the moment, but we have building contents so that we've
(04:07):
got a system of saying does the proposed work meet
the code, and if it does, you go ahead and
you do it in accordance with that you get signed
off at the other end of what's called the CCC
Code Compliance certificate. And that's also really straightforward as far
as it goes. But the reality is that, like any systems,
could be improved, and we're looking at doing that in
a number of different ways that we've been talking about.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
How I guess is it time and money?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
How much do you think it's going to reduce the
cost of building?
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Honestly, it's hard to know, because I think most of
the reduced costs associated won't be that you've got a
fee that's X number of dollars here, or you know,
another sort of definable cost over there. It's all about
the constraint on the system around productivity and economies of scale.
And what I mean by that is, at the moment
(04:54):
you've got, as you quite rightly said in your intro,
more than sixty different councils around New Zealand, each doing
your own thing interpreting the building code. So what it
means is we don't have builders doing work at scale
across regional boundary or council boundaries, even without the fear
that in the real world experience that we're seeing at
the moment that different ones have different interpretations. So you
(05:17):
can't use the same steat of plans, you can't use
the same practices because you get second uses.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
It sounds like that's sort of trying to apply some
of the logic behind, you know, sorting out the health
situation with all these health boards below over the place
that we're just replicating different solutions for the same problems.
So hopefully, you know, they can sort that out. But boy,
oh boy, there's a lot of sorting out to do,
(05:41):
isn't it when it comes to counsels. Okay, we've been
talking about sorting things out today on the podcast. It
seems that the All Blacks sorted a lot of their
issues out over the weekend, a pretty good win. What
does assistant coach Scott Henson make of this? Very confusing?
(06:04):
I mean, somebody called s Henson in charge of the
orb lex.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
Isn't it pleased you most about last night?
Speaker 8 (06:11):
The last number of weeks. We've had some really good
weeks in regards to preparation and last night we just
stapped some better moments into our performance. So the most
pleasing thing for us is probably how we controlled the
territory and applied pressure on Australia down here into the field,
and there was moments in those games where we had
really good control, so pleasing around that. Also, defensively, the
(06:34):
boys put in some really good sets really around the
goal line d and they shared a lot of confidence
and courage that in the line, So some pleasing moments.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
I was going to ask about that. The line defense
especially started the game and then again latter stages of
the second half, even though in the second half the
result was pretty secure. How proud do you feel of
a team that is still willing to put their bodies
on the line like that?
Speaker 9 (06:59):
Yeah, well very much so. It's sort of expected in
the all black jersey, but in Australia are very good
technic side. They showed some suffty and some adaptation to
their attack. The attacked some different areas and they challenged
us and it was really good to see that the
great work that Times has done defensively and the leaders
(07:20):
out there doing a really good job around just staying composed.
Really with defense, you've got to endure sometimes, and we
did a good job and enduring and got a card
in the end, which has been a work on for us.
And that's it's basically a lot of pressure building up.
But overall we're pleased with for a lot of years
(07:41):
of our game.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Last night is that used to be pleased quite a
lot there, didn't he I was pleased that they didn't
kick the ball away quite so much, which is something
that I've been nsing them to not do or live
in memory. And I mean, I'm no rugby experts, but
(08:02):
it seems like they did that less and they had
the ball more essentially.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
That you.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Right imagine surviving alone in the Tasmanian wilderness for sixty
seven days. Hard to imagine, isn't it? But Junior Chech
did it called a lone Australia that he was pavel
But it sounds like she kind of likes it, to
be honest.
Speaker 10 (08:29):
You had this aching loneliness growing up. You talk about
not understanding human ways, being told that you were just
too much for people. What was that like for you.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
As a little kid?
Speaker 6 (08:42):
It was confusing, partly because when I was at home,
I had this amazing family life, and you know, I
was completely accepted and it was just normal to be
odd in my family. So then to go to school
and have a completely different experience was confusing and strange.
(09:03):
I felt like I understood the language of nature really well.
I never felt separate from nature. I never felt like
I was Gina and then there was the bush. It
was more like nature was me and I was it.
And then I'd go to school and find that everybody
else was a human and I didn't quite know how
to do that.
Speaker 10 (09:25):
So how did you cope with that loneliness? Obviously you
had that connection with nature and the love of birds
and things and animals, but how did you deal with
that loneliness?
Speaker 6 (09:35):
How did you get through school? Books were a huge
part of it. When I was six years old, a
family friend gave me The Jungle Book by Radyard Kipling,
and he said, you know, sometimes books understand us better
than people, and I think this book is going to
understand you very well. And he was right. I read
(09:56):
the Jungle Book and my whole world changed. The gena
who started reading the book wasn't the Gena who finished it,
like my entire internal reality had changed. My view of
the world had changed, and I was so enamored of
the reality of the Jungle Book. I wanted it to
be a part of me, and I wanted those characters
(10:16):
to be part of me. So I tore the corner
of pages and ate them because I wanted to take
the story so deeply into myself that it could never leave.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I really hope that wasn't a library book. You can't
go around just eating books like that. I mean, it's
fine if you own them, but yeah, if somebody, I mean,
how many times have you lead somebody your book and
you get it back and half of us been eaten?
So annoying news talk z it been all right. We're
(10:50):
going to finish up here with Finn Andrews of the
Veils thing. You might not think of the Veils as
being particularly classical or kissed all, but apparently they are
quite often acially.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
The Veils are teaming up for a bit of a collab,
right with some classical musicians, Somalia Hall, Ashley Brown, so
many Kim of Insied Trio. So what's the what's the
plan there? How does that work?
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
It's a good question. We've played together a couple of
times before in sort of smaller contexts, but they're just
the most amazing musicians I've ever played with, I think,
and they can kind of do anything you ask of them.
So it's been a lot of fun coming up with
new ways to sort of expand on the Veils, and yeah,
(11:37):
it's and this is this is the first time I've
done it with the full Veils band though as well.
I've kind of done it playing solo with them, but
this is the full band with them as well. So
it's going to be a pretty raucous affair.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yes, okay, is it going to be raucous? That was
going to be my next question, because when you hear
you know, classical musicians getting involved, do you think, oh,
it's probably less likely to be raucous. But that's not
necessarily the case.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I think it gives you the option to, ye, get
really big and scary, but also get really small and intimate,
which is kind of what the Veils have done on
these records throughout the years. We kind of like to
lean into the extremes. So yeah, it kind of it
(12:23):
just intensifies that even more. I think it's going to
be really full on and really and really quiet intimate
as well. That's that's the plan.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Anyway, there seems to be a lot of New Zealand
bands getting back together lately. Have you noticed that the
dudes Spur Patrol All these bands keep getting back together?
Why do they do we need some kind of support
network we set up some kind of system to help
them not break up in the first place. Does there
(12:54):
need to be some kind of like band canceling that
you can go to where you can consider hear you
a grievances. I always remember reading Mike Chuhn's book on
Split Ends, and apparently they never did really argue thatch,
but somebody would just get pissed off and leave and
and nobody ever really knew exactly why. So yeah, I
(13:18):
just think I think if we could just set up
you know, ban counsel band ban counseling services BCS, and
we can just avoid some of this some of us
fall out. What do you reckon? I am a glen
hat that has been News Talks d been. It's kind
(13:38):
of like news counseling, isn't it? This podcast and we'll
be back with more of it tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
News Talk Talking zid Bean. For more from News Talk
said b Listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
Used Talk sed BE Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello among the for Beanis, and welcome to the Being
the Weekend edition. First with yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart,
and we are looking back at Sunday and Saturday, both
those days, which is those are the weekend days. That's
why we're building consents. The government's gonna sort all these
out as we're part of the Stars Treks. Let's get
(00:46):
on with it, vibe they're going for. Are the all
Blacks a bit of an improvement? It's pleasing, encouraging. Who
is Gina Chick? And why is she so lonely? And
the veils are going orchestral. But before any of that, yes,
(01:07):
speaking of the government being track and kick ass, last
week we got a strong message that working from home
is just so uncall and not productive. And yeah, that's
not the only thing that's uncalled and unproductive.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
And actually this government is making a bit of a
habit of issuing directives that don't cost it any money
but will probably be met with a similar reaction from
a big slab of the public. I mean a prime
example would be the new cell phone ban in schools. Right,
I have always supported it. I just think it's I
just think it's total consent. I think we'll look back
(01:42):
at it in years to come and be like, oh,
my gosh, can you believe that once upon a time
we let kids have phones in schools? And now even
the opposition education spokesperson supports it too. And perhaps another
example is teacher only days. Unions and schools might rightly
be frustrated at any implication that they are wasting time
(02:04):
or doing something that isn't worthwhile goodness knows, they have
incredibly difficult and undervalued jobs. And look, many schools time
their teacher only days for long weekends, and obviously schools
have to be open for a specific number of days
every year. And personally, I think it's a bit rich
to suggest that teacher only days have a major impact
(02:25):
on truancy. But I for one was honestly surprised to
learn that under the current rules, teacher only days are
actually only supposed to be held outside of term time.
Is there really a compelling reason that shouldn't be the case. Look,
(02:45):
it'll be a blow to morale for teachers and for
many schools, but that directive was all about parents, and
I can tell you now a vast majority of parents
are not going to be marching in the streets to
demand a return of midterm teacher only day.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I mean, I don't have kids at school anymore, that's
long gone. But when I did, I just wanted them
to be away from me as far away from me
for as long as possible. And a teacher only day
meant that their word. And that's frankly in my book, Unforgivable.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
News talk has it been right?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So let's see if we can tidy up the building
consenting process. It seems to be a lot of red tape,
a lot of backage boards, a lot of double ups,
a lot of bureaucracy, and I think it's Chris Pink's
job to sort of that out.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Good lad, What is the purpose of the building consent system?
Speaker 5 (03:45):
Well, that's a really good question if you look at
it at first principles, we want buildings to be safe,
good quality, also sustainable chuck that in there as well,
but basically we want a good quality, but we also
want a system that is going to allow things to
be built and a reasonable period of time and have
a reasonable cost, and the balance isn't quite right at
the moment, but we have building contents so that we've
(04:07):
got a system of saying does the proposed work meet
the code, and if it does, you go ahead and
you do it in accordance with that you get signed
off at the other end of what's called the CCC
Code Compliance certificate. And that's also really straightforward as far
as it goes. But the reality is that, like any systems,
could be improved, and we're looking at doing that in
a number of different ways that we've been talking about.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
How I guess is it time and money?
Speaker 4 (04:31):
How much do you think it's going to reduce the
cost of building?
Speaker 5 (04:34):
Honestly, it's hard to know, because I think most of
the reduced costs associated won't be that you've got a
fee that's X number of dollars here, or you know,
another sort of definable cost over there. It's all about
the constraint on the system around productivity and economies of scale.
And what I mean by that is, at the moment
(04:54):
you've got, as you quite rightly said in your intro,
more than sixty different councils around New Zealand, each doing
your own thing interpreting the building code. So what it
means is we don't have builders doing work at scale
across regional boundary or council boundaries, even without the fear
that in the real world experience that we're seeing at
the moment that different ones have different interpretations. So you
(05:17):
can't use the same steat of plans, you can't use
the same practices because you get second uses.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
It sounds like that's sort of trying to apply some
of the logic behind, you know, sorting out the health
situation with all these health boards below over the place
that we're just replicating different solutions for the same problems.
So hopefully, you know, they can sort that out. But boy,
oh boy, there's a lot of sorting out to do,
(05:41):
isn't it when it comes to counsels. Okay, we've been
talking about sorting things out today on the podcast. It
seems that the All Blacks sorted a lot of their
issues out over the weekend, a pretty good win. What
does assistant coach Scott Henson make of this? Very confusing?
(06:04):
I mean, somebody called s Henson in charge of the
orb lex.
Speaker 7 (06:07):
Isn't it pleased you most about last night?
Speaker 8 (06:11):
The last number of weeks. We've had some really good
weeks in regards to preparation and last night we just
stapped some better moments into our performance. So the most
pleasing thing for us is probably how we controlled the
territory and applied pressure on Australia down here into the field,
and there was moments in those games where we had
really good control, so pleasing around that. Also, defensively, the
(06:34):
boys put in some really good sets really around the
goal line d and they shared a lot of confidence
and courage that in the line, So some pleasing moments.
Speaker 7 (06:44):
I was going to ask about that. The line defense
especially started the game and then again latter stages of
the second half, even though in the second half the
result was pretty secure. How proud do you feel of
a team that is still willing to put their bodies
on the line like that?
Speaker 9 (06:59):
Yeah, well very much so. It's sort of expected in
the all black jersey, but in Australia are very good
technic side. They showed some suffty and some adaptation to
their attack. The attacked some different areas and they challenged
us and it was really good to see that the
great work that Times has done defensively and the leaders
(07:20):
out there doing a really good job around just staying composed.
Really with defense, you've got to endure sometimes, and we
did a good job and enduring and got a card
in the end, which has been a work on for us.
And that's it's basically a lot of pressure building up.
But overall we're pleased with for a lot of years
(07:41):
of our game.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Last night is that used to be pleased quite a
lot there, didn't he I was pleased that they didn't
kick the ball away quite so much, which is something
that I've been nsing them to not do or live
in memory. And I mean, I'm no rugby experts, but
(08:02):
it seems like they did that less and they had
the ball more essentially.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
That you.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Right imagine surviving alone in the Tasmanian wilderness for sixty
seven days. Hard to imagine, isn't it? But Junior Chech
did it called a lone Australia that he was pavel
But it sounds like she kind of likes it, to
be honest.
Speaker 10 (08:29):
You had this aching loneliness growing up. You talk about
not understanding human ways, being told that you were just
too much for people. What was that like for you.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
As a little kid?
Speaker 6 (08:42):
It was confusing, partly because when I was at home,
I had this amazing family life, and you know, I
was completely accepted and it was just normal to be
odd in my family. So then to go to school
and have a completely different experience was confusing and strange.
(09:03):
I felt like I understood the language of nature really well.
I never felt separate from nature. I never felt like
I was Gina and then there was the bush. It
was more like nature was me and I was it.
And then I'd go to school and find that everybody
else was a human and I didn't quite know how
to do that.
Speaker 10 (09:25):
So how did you cope with that loneliness? Obviously you
had that connection with nature and the love of birds
and things and animals, but how did you deal with
that loneliness?
Speaker 6 (09:35):
How did you get through school? Books were a huge
part of it. When I was six years old, a
family friend gave me The Jungle Book by Radyard Kipling,
and he said, you know, sometimes books understand us better
than people, and I think this book is going to
understand you very well. And he was right. I read
(09:56):
the Jungle Book and my whole world changed. The gena
who started reading the book wasn't the Gena who finished it,
like my entire internal reality had changed. My view of
the world had changed, and I was so enamored of
the reality of the Jungle Book. I wanted it to
be a part of me, and I wanted those characters
(10:16):
to be part of me. So I tore the corner
of pages and ate them because I wanted to take
the story so deeply into myself that it could never leave.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I really hope that wasn't a library book. You can't
go around just eating books like that. I mean, it's
fine if you own them, but yeah, if somebody, I mean,
how many times have you lead somebody your book and
you get it back and half of us been eaten?
So annoying news talk z it been all right. We're
(10:50):
going to finish up here with Finn Andrews of the
Veils thing. You might not think of the Veils as
being particularly classical or kissed all, but apparently they are
quite often acially.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
The Veils are teaming up for a bit of a collab,
right with some classical musicians, Somalia Hall, Ashley Brown, so
many Kim of Insied Trio. So what's the what's the
plan there? How does that work?
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:15):
It's a good question. We've played together a couple of
times before in sort of smaller contexts, but they're just
the most amazing musicians I've ever played with, I think,
and they can kind of do anything you ask of them.
So it's been a lot of fun coming up with
new ways to sort of expand on the Veils, and yeah,
(11:37):
it's and this is this is the first time I've
done it with the full Veils band though as well.
I've kind of done it playing solo with them, but
this is the full band with them as well. So
it's going to be a pretty raucous affair.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yes, okay, is it going to be raucous? That was
going to be my next question, because when you hear
you know, classical musicians getting involved, do you think, oh,
it's probably less likely to be raucous. But that's not
necessarily the case.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
I think it gives you the option to, ye, get
really big and scary, but also get really small and intimate,
which is kind of what the Veils have done on
these records throughout the years. We kind of like to
lean into the extremes. So yeah, it kind of it
(12:23):
just intensifies that even more. I think it's going to
be really full on and really and really quiet intimate
as well. That's that's the plan.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Anyway, there seems to be a lot of New Zealand
bands getting back together lately. Have you noticed that the
dudes Spur Patrol All these bands keep getting back together?
Why do they do we need some kind of support
network we set up some kind of system to help
them not break up in the first place. Does there
(12:54):
need to be some kind of like band canceling that
you can go to where you can consider hear you
a grievances. I always remember reading Mike Chuhn's book on
Split Ends, and apparently they never did really argue thatch,
but somebody would just get pissed off and leave and
and nobody ever really knew exactly why. So yeah, I
(13:18):
just think I think if we could just set up
you know, ban counsel band ban counseling services BCS, and
we can just avoid some of this some of us
fall out. What do you reckon? I am a glen
hat that has been News Talks d been. It's kind
(13:38):
of like news counseling, isn't it? This podcast and we'll
be back with more of it tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
News Talk Talking zid Bean. For more from News Talk
said b Listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iHeartRadio
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