October 8, 2024 • 11 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart and we
are looking back at Thursday. So a video of this
idiot who's gone Bush with his kids? Why haven't they
been rounded up yet? Marcus wants to know more. Prison
Talk got more information about the prison situations. Come out
(00:48):
and the twoy billboards are back, and yeah, exactly according
to plan. Presumably they've caused controversy. But before any of that,
inflation and the economy generally, how does Ryan see this
playing out for this government in the next election. We
(01:08):
can't be talking about the next election already, can we?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
But here's the bad part, the really bad part. Forty
four percent of Aussies think the economy will worsen in
the next six months. What's more, doesn't and the Coalition
are favored on the economy thirty eight percent to twenty
six percent, and more people blame the government for causing
inflation rather than global issues. So he has an uphill battle,
(01:32):
doesn't he for New Zealand. Inflation should be should be
a distant memory by the time we had twenty twenty
six in our next election, it's expected to be inside
the target range by Christmas. GDP should have picked up,
unemployment should have fallen. Tourism, agriculture we've already heard this
morning or showing promising signs. But there's always a defining
(01:54):
issue in a political campaign, isn't there? What will ours
be in twenty twenty six? Do you think a smart
government will always try to define what that issue is
ahead of time and to control the narrative, control the
landlanguage around it, control the debate. I think the biggest
risk for the National Party this point, this far out.
I know it is a bit far for predictions, crystal
(02:15):
ball gazing, but I think at this state it's probably
public service cuts, you know, Dunedin Hospital, public transport, health,
education etc. The reality is probably most of us will
give them another go, but it wouldn't hurt them to
keep an eye on what comes next.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Well, come on, please, we're not even a third of
the way into this term. Can we not talk about
twenty twenty six yet? Let's just get through to the
end of the year. And see how we are. Does
it sound like I need.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
A holiday news talk?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Ze been who went back in July? Is that too
long ago? Now? Being bush in the bush with your
dad for months and months and months on end. I
don't think that sounds like much of a holiday, and
neither is Marcus.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Here's what I thought. I thought, Wow, because the police
need a win, don't they Because things haven't gone too
wealth of late, so they'd want something to happen for
them that was successful because it makes them look silly
they can't find a family in the bush. If I
was involved with running that case, if I was in
the Waketle, I would have a phone treary system in place,
(03:26):
so when there was a sighting, you have a local chopper,
you'd have dogs, you have a bit of everything. You'd
be in there within hours to pick up the trail.
I cannot believe what happened that they were, that the
police were that. I mean, I don't know what's gone
on with this case. I don't know the full details
(03:50):
or why the police have not found them, but I
would have thought they would try and get there as
quickly as possible, pretty much just to reassure the community.
They can find people in the bush. I don't know
what your opinion is of that, but I just thought
that they would have things in place because it was
always going to be inevitable. There was going to be exciting,
and I just thought you'd have a situation where you
(04:12):
could actually mobilize people quite quickly and fly in there
and go and find the family. It can't be much
fun for the kids, and even if it's fun, it's
not what they should be doing. They should be at school.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You know that this is a school attendance issue, is
it true? En Officer David Seymour involved, Maybe he could
make something happen. It's more just a you know, what
are you doing? Jonavan issue, isn't it? Anyway? It is?
I'm sort of with markets. It is weird that you
can have these guys just sort of running into them
(04:43):
in the bush, and the police can't have them to
run into them in the bush. Right, So we've got
prison stuff out yesterday the stick down into that with Kerrie.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Bil English set it up, Labor took it over and
made it a well being agency and now it's been
taken back more under the vision that bil English had,
which is to use data analytics and evidence to work
cut how to intervene in the lives of the most
vulnerable in society, those who cause who are the rootable problems,
(05:18):
and working with the providers of social services a to
get the best result for these people so it's not
wasted human potential yet again, but also reduce the burden
on the taxpayer. And that's the way Bill English was
able to sell it to his cabinet colleagues. Those were like, oh,
this kind of well meaning, bloody social services Bill save
(05:39):
us money. He's a good old dry conservative when he
needs to be ll save us money in the long run,
and it will if you invest in the most complex
prevent them going into prison in the first place, it
is going to save us a heck of a lot
of money. So I have absolutely no problem with Department
(06:00):
of Corrections saying, can we just keep this in our
back pocket if we need it?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
We can.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
We have the capacity to increase the prison population if
we have to. While at the same time there are
boots on the ground who believe. Nichola Willis believes passionately
in the Social Investment Agency she worked with Bil English.
She's an acolyte, She's a disciple. She knows the cause
(06:29):
and she believes in it. So while you have money
going into the Social Investment Agency to try and prevent
people from getting into the system, why don't we focus
the headlines on that. Why don't we look at the
good news instead of having screaming headlines generated by activists
(06:52):
who are furious about something that hasn't happened, doesn't look
like happening in the near future, and may never happen.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
How about that.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I do get a little bit nervous about sort of
increasing prison capacity ad in vern item. We sort of
had these prison cities in the States, don't we, And
how's that working out for them? It's one of those
things that we don't really want to be like America.
(07:22):
Like I get you don't want dangerous people out in public.
That's that's good. And I'm not saying we can't, you know,
intervene before driving the ambulance to the bottom of the cliff.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That oure complicated?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well, his life so complicated we just have a laugh. No,
apparently we can't have a laugh with twe billboards.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
Already controversial that the two billboards are back, yes, and
one in particular has caused a bit of a stir
ruffled a few feathers if you will, and a lot
of you will know what that billboard is about. It's
about polkinghorn and some would say tongue in cheek, but
it's upset a lot of people. So we're going to
ask the question are you offended? And if you are offended,
why you are you offended?
Speaker 8 (08:11):
I thought it was both funny and thought provoking. I'm
a big supporter of that, and I'm not really a
supporter of anyone that claims offense. I don't think being
offended gives you any particular rights. Yep, you're anti being offended.
I'm totally antie. I'm offended by people to get offended.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
All the people who jump up and down and criticizing this,
this is exactly what they want. You're falling into their trap,
you idiots. They want people to be ah, so funny.
They just have to sit back and go, ah, it's working.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
News talk ze been so yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Matt, he offended by people who get offended, as Jack offended.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Is it in good taste? No, of course not. It's
a billboard for a beer company, for goodness sake. Of
course it's in bad taste. And let's be honest, I
don't think I don't think anyone has ever accused of
TUOI being in good taste, if you get what I mean. Anyway,
given the extent to which the sensational details of the
Pulkinghorn case have been scandalizing the nation over the last
(09:14):
few months, it's hardly a surprise to see the billboards
pop up around the country. I'll be honest with you,
it doesn't upset me. But if I were Pauline Hander's family, YEP,
I might quite reasonably feel a bit miffed at a
company trying to cash in on something related to my death.
But here's the thing, even if it did upset me,
(09:36):
you know, sometimes the most effective strategy for opposing something
is actually to contain your outrage, especially when that thing
is designed to outrage. And I actually feel the same
way about aspects of the Treaty Principles bill debate. You know,
I wonder if the most extreme opposition to act's proposal
(09:57):
might not ultimately help ACTS cause. And you know, perhaps
for those who most vehemently oppose ACT, suggestions perhaps are
more considered opposition might be a bit calmer, might be
a bit quieter. And ultimately starve the issue from the
attention upon which it'll very likely thrive. TUI is banking
(10:20):
on controversy. I mean it has literally set up a
feedback line so that people can voice their outrage. But
if you really, if you really, sincerely have a problem
with their billboards, don't give them the attention and hey,
just don't buy to it.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
What do you reckon? The Ven diagram is what's the
intersection of people who are offended by the tuy billboards
and people who are likely to drink tilli? There do
you reckon? There's any intersection with those two circles in
that Ven diagram at all when you don't know what
a Ven diagram is. Goodness about the maths in this country,
(10:55):
Oh we are sure.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
I am glared hard.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I was always late for maths. I hated it, but
my teacher used to let me off if I can
come up with a good excuse. What were the worst
one I came up with is sorry I'm late, but
I didn't get here on time. We've got to laugh
from the class. But I think I'd still got the
tention anyway. I've got a track there at the end,
So it's time to go. I'll see you back here
(11:21):
again with another News Talks they had been Tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
News Talking Talking zid Bean. For more from News Talk,
said b. Listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk said B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
Used Talk SEDB, You Talk said.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart and we
are looking back at Thursday. So a video of this
idiot who's gone Bush with his kids? Why haven't they
been rounded up yet? Marcus wants to know more. Prison
Talk got more information about the prison situations. Come out
(00:48):
and the twoy billboards are back, and yeah, exactly according
to plan. Presumably they've caused controversy. But before any of that,
inflation and the economy generally, how does Ryan see this
playing out for this government in the next election. We
(01:08):
can't be talking about the next election already, can we?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
But here's the bad part, the really bad part. Forty
four percent of Aussies think the economy will worsen in
the next six months. What's more, doesn't and the Coalition
are favored on the economy thirty eight percent to twenty
six percent, and more people blame the government for causing
inflation rather than global issues. So he has an uphill battle,
(01:32):
doesn't he for New Zealand. Inflation should be should be
a distant memory by the time we had twenty twenty
six in our next election, it's expected to be inside
the target range by Christmas. GDP should have picked up,
unemployment should have fallen. Tourism, agriculture we've already heard this
morning or showing promising signs. But there's always a defining
(01:54):
issue in a political campaign, isn't there? What will ours
be in twenty twenty six? Do you think a smart
government will always try to define what that issue is
ahead of time and to control the narrative, control the
landlanguage around it, control the debate. I think the biggest
risk for the National Party this point, this far out.
I know it is a bit far for predictions, crystal
(02:15):
ball gazing, but I think at this state it's probably
public service cuts, you know, Dunedin Hospital, public transport, health,
education etc. The reality is probably most of us will
give them another go, but it wouldn't hurt them to
keep an eye on what comes next.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Well, come on, please, we're not even a third of
the way into this term. Can we not talk about
twenty twenty six yet? Let's just get through to the
end of the year. And see how we are. Does
it sound like I need.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
A holiday news talk?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Ze been who went back in July? Is that too
long ago? Now? Being bush in the bush with your
dad for months and months and months on end. I
don't think that sounds like much of a holiday, and
neither is Marcus.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Here's what I thought. I thought, Wow, because the police
need a win, don't they Because things haven't gone too
wealth of late, so they'd want something to happen for
them that was successful because it makes them look silly
they can't find a family in the bush. If I
was involved with running that case, if I was in
the Waketle, I would have a phone treary system in place,
(03:26):
so when there was a sighting, you have a local chopper,
you'd have dogs, you have a bit of everything. You'd
be in there within hours to pick up the trail.
I cannot believe what happened that they were, that the
police were that. I mean, I don't know what's gone
on with this case. I don't know the full details
(03:50):
or why the police have not found them, but I
would have thought they would try and get there as
quickly as possible, pretty much just to reassure the community.
They can find people in the bush. I don't know
what your opinion is of that, but I just thought
that they would have things in place because it was
always going to be inevitable. There was going to be exciting,
and I just thought you'd have a situation where you
(04:12):
could actually mobilize people quite quickly and fly in there
and go and find the family. It can't be much
fun for the kids, and even if it's fun, it's
not what they should be doing. They should be at school.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
You know that this is a school attendance issue, is
it true? En Officer David Seymour involved, Maybe he could
make something happen. It's more just a you know, what
are you doing? Jonavan issue, isn't it? Anyway? It is?
I'm sort of with markets. It is weird that you
can have these guys just sort of running into them
(04:43):
in the bush, and the police can't have them to
run into them in the bush. Right, So we've got
prison stuff out yesterday the stick down into that with Kerrie.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Bil English set it up, Labor took it over and
made it a well being agency and now it's been
taken back more under the vision that bil English had,
which is to use data analytics and evidence to work
cut how to intervene in the lives of the most
vulnerable in society, those who cause who are the rootable problems,
(05:18):
and working with the providers of social services a to
get the best result for these people so it's not
wasted human potential yet again, but also reduce the burden
on the taxpayer. And that's the way Bill English was
able to sell it to his cabinet colleagues. Those were like, oh,
this kind of well meaning, bloody social services Bill save
(05:39):
us money. He's a good old dry conservative when he
needs to be ll save us money in the long run,
and it will if you invest in the most complex
prevent them going into prison in the first place, it
is going to save us a heck of a lot
of money. So I have absolutely no problem with Department
(06:00):
of Corrections saying, can we just keep this in our
back pocket if we need it?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
We can.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
We have the capacity to increase the prison population if
we have to. While at the same time there are
boots on the ground who believe. Nichola Willis believes passionately
in the Social Investment Agency she worked with Bil English.
She's an acolyte, She's a disciple. She knows the cause
(06:29):
and she believes in it. So while you have money
going into the Social Investment Agency to try and prevent
people from getting into the system, why don't we focus
the headlines on that. Why don't we look at the
good news instead of having screaming headlines generated by activists
(06:52):
who are furious about something that hasn't happened, doesn't look
like happening in the near future, and may never happen.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
How about that.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I do get a little bit nervous about sort of
increasing prison capacity ad in vern item. We sort of
had these prison cities in the States, don't we, And
how's that working out for them? It's one of those
things that we don't really want to be like America.
(07:22):
Like I get you don't want dangerous people out in public.
That's that's good. And I'm not saying we can't, you know,
intervene before driving the ambulance to the bottom of the cliff.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
That oure complicated?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Well, his life so complicated we just have a laugh. No,
apparently we can't have a laugh with twe billboards.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
Already controversial that the two billboards are back, yes, and
one in particular has caused a bit of a stir
ruffled a few feathers if you will, and a lot
of you will know what that billboard is about. It's
about polkinghorn and some would say tongue in cheek, but
it's upset a lot of people. So we're going to
ask the question are you offended? And if you are offended,
why you are you offended?
Speaker 8 (08:11):
I thought it was both funny and thought provoking. I'm
a big supporter of that, and I'm not really a
supporter of anyone that claims offense. I don't think being
offended gives you any particular rights. Yep, you're anti being offended.
I'm totally antie. I'm offended by people to get offended.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
All the people who jump up and down and criticizing this,
this is exactly what they want. You're falling into their trap,
you idiots. They want people to be ah, so funny.
They just have to sit back and go, ah, it's working.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
News talk ze been so yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Matt, he offended by people who get offended, as Jack offended.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Is it in good taste? No, of course not. It's
a billboard for a beer company, for goodness sake. Of
course it's in bad taste. And let's be honest, I
don't think I don't think anyone has ever accused of
TUOI being in good taste, if you get what I mean. Anyway,
given the extent to which the sensational details of the
Pulkinghorn case have been scandalizing the nation over the last
(09:14):
few months, it's hardly a surprise to see the billboards
pop up around the country. I'll be honest with you,
it doesn't upset me. But if I were Pauline Hander's family, YEP,
I might quite reasonably feel a bit miffed at a
company trying to cash in on something related to my death.
But here's the thing, even if it did upset me,
(09:36):
you know, sometimes the most effective strategy for opposing something
is actually to contain your outrage, especially when that thing
is designed to outrage. And I actually feel the same
way about aspects of the Treaty Principles bill debate. You know,
I wonder if the most extreme opposition to act's proposal
(09:57):
might not ultimately help ACTS cause. And you know, perhaps
for those who most vehemently oppose ACT, suggestions perhaps are
more considered opposition might be a bit calmer, might be
a bit quieter. And ultimately starve the issue from the
attention upon which it'll very likely thrive. TUI is banking
(10:20):
on controversy. I mean it has literally set up a
feedback line so that people can voice their outrage. But
if you really, if you really, sincerely have a problem
with their billboards, don't give them the attention and hey,
just don't buy to it.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
What do you reckon? The Ven diagram is what's the
intersection of people who are offended by the tuy billboards
and people who are likely to drink tilli? There do
you reckon? There's any intersection with those two circles in
that Ven diagram at all when you don't know what
a Ven diagram is. Goodness about the maths in this country,
(10:55):
Oh we are sure.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
I am glared hard.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I was always late for maths. I hated it, but
my teacher used to let me off if I can
come up with a good excuse. What were the worst
one I came up with is sorry I'm late, but
I didn't get here on time. We've got to laugh
from the class. But I think I'd still got the
tention anyway. I've got a track there at the end,
So it's time to go. I'll see you back here
(11:21):
again with another News Talks they had been Tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
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said b. Listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iHeartRadio
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