October 20, 2024 • 12 mins
FIRST WITH YESTERDAY'S NEWS (highlights from the weekend on Newstalk ZB) 09 Gets an A/So, We Won it Then?/In Other Sailing News.../I Thought We Weren't Supposed to Call Them Bootcamps/The Corgi Is Back, Baby!
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean and
the weekend edition. First of yesterday's News. I am Glen
Hart and today, so we've won the America's Cap. You
didn't notice? I know, how could you not notice? I mean,
apart from the fat that was happening on the other.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Side of the world.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Andrew Fagan as a sailor in his own right sort of.
We'll find out what he did. Speaking of going around
the other side of the world, the boot camps, how's
that all turning out? And writer of historical fiction Michael
(01:09):
Moulpugo joins us at the end of the podcast. But
first up, So, yeah, it was a big weekend for
Auckland SC as they entered the A League. They got
off to a great start actually with that two nil one.
But before any of that happened, Jack was pretty excited too.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
People in the nine are so ready for a proper
football team. They are so ready for this moment. You
see it every time the Phoenix play at Eden Park.
You see it at all Whites games. You see it
on the sidelines of, however many thousand junior football games
on Saturday mornings. Sure, it might take a few seasons
(01:46):
to deepen the well of loyalty for the club, but
you would be hard pressed to find a city or
a market on Earth that isn't hungrier for a team
to support. And so tonight I will be there. I
will be one of the more than twenty thousand at
a sold out go Media Stadium. I must have a
(02:07):
dozen friends attending. We're all taking kids. Some have already
bought seasoned passes. You can hold the fancy haircut, you
can hold the lattes. But I will be proudly crossing
the rubicon, dressed in blue. And if in years to
come anyone should question my loyalty to AFC, well at
(02:28):
least I can say I was there from day one.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I've never thought of myself as being a person in
the nine?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Was that a thing being in the.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
That's a lot of people in the nine, basically that
Upper North Island, all of it. I'm assuming he's talking
about the Is he talking about the he's talking about
the phone thing that told people even have landlines anymore? Anyway,
(03:02):
like I said, good sat for.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
A keep a goin news talk.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Has it been.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Great finish for him where it's ten New Zealand. Yeah,
any us blew it and if anybody knows anything about
blowing it in the mirror of this Cup, it's privat
being backer.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Did it feel as though Team New Zealand had the
faster boat right from the start of the Cup match?
I think it became clear. Yeah, I think just watching
the first couple of races unfold that Team Zeland definitely
had an edge. And you know, you said have always yeah,
(03:42):
you want to be measured and drawing conclusions and things
about performance, but yeah, it just seemed like they were
just a little bit stronger all around. And it was
surprising because you know, I think a lot had been
made about the the way any of us have been
improving all the way through the Challenges series. You know,
they were incredibly they did an incredible job. How much
(04:03):
they improved, and they were racing the boat really well
at the combination of Ben and On Fletcher and things
was really the way they were developing was really cool.
But I was I was super impressed with the way
teams and came out of the blocks and at the
beginning of the event, and suddenly, yeah, just as you
listen to more and more of the colms and things
coming off the boat, just the way that Alex and
(04:26):
Claire and Nathan. I think Nathan bought a lot of
discipline to the boat. Yeah, I'd say it was. There
was a more dominant performance than it was an Aucklander now,
which was surprising, you know, I think a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, were you surprised? I bet you were. I know
I was wrapped by every second. Is whatever that was
that was happening on the other side of the world
in the middle of the night. We are going to
keep it sailing as indeed, that last thing we were
talking about exactually sailing the kind of the complete opposite.
(04:58):
Really Andrew Fagan in a tiny little boat trying to
make his way around the world.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
This is quite an adventure and you have done quite
a lot of solo something before you hit it off
on this. But was it a big leap to go
from sailing back and forward to Australia or to the
sub antactic Auckland Islands. Was it a big leap to
go from that to circumnavigating the globe? I imagine the
Southern Ocean kind of prepared you a bit for this.
Speaker 8 (05:23):
Yeah, it was a big leap, but it was also
something that I was I felt prepared for, you know,
because I've had the boat for thirty seven years. I've
done a lot of offshore sailing in it, you know,
like like you said, to Australia and down the sub
Antactic organd islands. So I felt in my own mind
that this was just a logical step, and apart from
the amount of time it was going to take, which
(05:44):
I thought was about you know, twelve a year. Really,
you know, I had food and water, food for fourteen months.
But yeah, it was I felt I was ready for it,
and you know that I aspired to sailing around the world,
you know, since I was a teenager.
Speaker 7 (06:02):
I mean I was quite taken back at how compact
thrilling world is. I mean, it's amazing what you managed
to pack into it. She's a five point one meters sleep.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
Yeah, so that's imperial that's just under seventeen feet. Yeah,
so it's it's tiny. Cozy. Cozy is a nice way
to put it.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Francisco.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
How do you prepare for a journey like that?
Speaker 8 (06:21):
Well, it was about five years of accumulating everything. You know,
you have to mitigate for all sorts of possibilities, so
it's a lot. It was expensive, you know, well it
was expensive to me about thirty thousand dollars worth of
stuff that was on board, you know, live rafts, a
lot of freeze dried food because weight's a big issue.
You know, you can't take canned food or normal stuff
(06:44):
no refrigeration. So and water. I had to take a
water maker with me because the weight of water. You
can't act fresh water. You can't actually have enough, you know,
to start with. Although I had two hundred liters on board,
but that's not going to get you around the world.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You know, ye had a water maker, man, I didn't
realize that was a thing that you could have. Why
haven't we got a bunch of those. Every time the
hydro lakes are running out of fire up the water
makers to fill them up. Right, there's a little bit
(07:21):
of boot camp progress for you. I know, we're not
supposed to board in boot camps, are we, But yeah,
apparently they're absolutely loving it. This experimental group of delinquents.
I love the boot camp. Probably don't love it quite
so much when they get back home there.
Speaker 8 (07:35):
I think I heard an interview with Karen Saw a
couple of days ago speaking about this, and she sounded
pretty thrilled about where these people have got to. What's
what have you heard, What's what's your stance on where
they're at?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, look, I mean in terms of, you know, transition
out out of the campsin community, that that was always
going to be the hardest, hardest point. We know that
kind of residential spaces we're in, that controlled environment, those
young people are maybe going to do a little bit better.
The hardest point is bringing them back into community, ensuring
(08:10):
that they're getting the support, the love, the care in
all those key issues that are going around in their
lives can actually be addressed. That's going to be the
difficult part.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
Do you think the three months themselves have gone well?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Probably not something I can kind of speak to specifically
at this stage. I think one thing we do know
about the camps, you know they were first sold, is
boot camp. Specifically, what I think has emerged isn't exactly
a boot camp. We've seen some really good work from
Odding and some key to try and ensure that there's
some good evidence based and repround support being provided to
those young people within that space. Military component, from what
(08:46):
I can see, is largely just a gimmick, with a
lot of work being done to ensure that there's residential
support and therapeutic support being offered.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I thought we were just supposed to be riding them
up and putting them on the drag peede. Isn't that
what we're the point of the exercise.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Unless we go there?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well, news talks that been.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Let's finish up with Michael Moore Berger, the acclaimed author
of historical things that sort of based on stuff that
actually happened but just caares up a bit. He's all
(09:27):
about heroic corgy. I think in this latest book see.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
What he's doing now, Michael, that the main character in
Cobweb is a corgy and Corgy is a drover. So
can you tell us where you found the inspiration for
Cobweb and exactly what is a drover?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:45):
I can tell you. It's like every book I've ever written,
I get luckier people tell me things. In this case,
it was a friend of ours who decided he was
going to do a two hundred and fifty mile walk
from the west coast of Wales to London and he
was going to do it to raise money for a
(10:06):
charity we run called Farms City Children, which gets children
from the cities here in England, London, Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester.
They come to the farm in Devon and they live
and work on this farm and two others at the
charity run. So he was going to help us by
raising money and doing this walk. I said, why are
you doing this walk? And you know what road will
(10:28):
you be taking? You said, when I'm going on the
Drovers Road. And I didn't know what a drove all was,
but I had no real idea that you could walk
the same route at all. But he had researched it
extremely carefully and he set off. This was last year,
walking all the way from Pembrokeshire in South Wales up
to London, which was the route followed by the drovers
(10:52):
of old who for thousands of years, and I mean
literally thousands of years, it was the only way to
get your animals to market. So your cows and your sheep,
even your geese, everything that you grew on the farm,
raised on the farm had to find a market. And
where were the markets? They were always in the big cities,
the big towns, no lorries, no trains, no other way
(11:14):
of getting them except to walk them there. And so
what they did they would set off with'd say two
hundred cattle and five hundred sheep, and they'd have a
dog or several dogs, depending on the side of the flock,
and all these animals would have been gathered from the
farms all around, and they set off on this incredible
journey of two hundred and fifty miles twenty miles a day.
(11:37):
They'd go, staying in inns on the way, but the
problem was that the dogs really didn't go in the
inns much. They would be left outside guarding the animals
against rustlers, anyone who would like to steal anyone. And
they're cattle themselves, and the sheep they'd be grazing the
grass and there would be a river or a pond.
So they were very specific where they should be these inns.
(11:59):
They had to be where animals could be safe and
safely graze. Then the next day they'd set off again
and they would do twenty miles a day, twenty miles
a day.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
And end up just trying to figure out how long
it would have taken me to because I went to
Hamilton on Saturday night for a show and then to
strode back again. Is the like It Expressway is awesome
and it's not that far, And just to try to
think how long it would have taken me if I'd
just walked there with the dog. I mean, he's a
(12:31):
pretty good walker. I don't know if he'd do twenty
miles a day, though that does seem pretty amazing, especially
for a corky and a very long legs. I'm iro
angle and hat more amazing animal feats for you tomorrow overheats.
Probably not, I will see that.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
US Talkers Talks It Been for more from News Talk
Said be listen live on air or online, and keep
our shows with you wherever you go with our podcasts
on iart Radio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk, said B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
Used Talk, SEDB Talk.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean and
the weekend edition. First of yesterday's News. I am Glen
Hart and today, so we've won the America's Cap. You
didn't notice? I know, how could you not notice? I mean,
apart from the fat that was happening on the other.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Side of the world.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Andrew Fagan as a sailor in his own right sort of.
We'll find out what he did. Speaking of going around
the other side of the world, the boot camps, how's
that all turning out? And writer of historical fiction Michael
(01:09):
Moulpugo joins us at the end of the podcast. But
first up, So, yeah, it was a big weekend for
Auckland SC as they entered the A League. They got
off to a great start actually with that two nil one.
But before any of that happened, Jack was pretty excited too.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
People in the nine are so ready for a proper
football team. They are so ready for this moment. You
see it every time the Phoenix play at Eden Park.
You see it at all Whites games. You see it
on the sidelines of, however many thousand junior football games
on Saturday mornings. Sure, it might take a few seasons
(01:46):
to deepen the well of loyalty for the club, but
you would be hard pressed to find a city or
a market on Earth that isn't hungrier for a team
to support. And so tonight I will be there. I
will be one of the more than twenty thousand at
a sold out go Media Stadium. I must have a
(02:07):
dozen friends attending. We're all taking kids. Some have already
bought seasoned passes. You can hold the fancy haircut, you
can hold the lattes. But I will be proudly crossing
the rubicon, dressed in blue. And if in years to
come anyone should question my loyalty to AFC, well at
(02:28):
least I can say I was there from day one.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I've never thought of myself as being a person in
the nine?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Was that a thing being in the.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
That's a lot of people in the nine, basically that
Upper North Island, all of it. I'm assuming he's talking
about the Is he talking about the he's talking about
the phone thing that told people even have landlines anymore? Anyway,
(03:02):
like I said, good sat for.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
A keep a goin news talk.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Has it been.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Great finish for him where it's ten New Zealand. Yeah,
any us blew it and if anybody knows anything about
blowing it in the mirror of this Cup, it's privat
being backer.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
Did it feel as though Team New Zealand had the
faster boat right from the start of the Cup match?
I think it became clear. Yeah, I think just watching
the first couple of races unfold that Team Zeland definitely
had an edge. And you know, you said have always yeah,
(03:42):
you want to be measured and drawing conclusions and things
about performance, but yeah, it just seemed like they were
just a little bit stronger all around. And it was
surprising because you know, I think a lot had been
made about the the way any of us have been
improving all the way through the Challenges series. You know,
they were incredibly they did an incredible job. How much
(04:03):
they improved, and they were racing the boat really well
at the combination of Ben and On Fletcher and things
was really the way they were developing was really cool.
But I was I was super impressed with the way
teams and came out of the blocks and at the
beginning of the event, and suddenly, yeah, just as you
listen to more and more of the colms and things
coming off the boat, just the way that Alex and
(04:26):
Claire and Nathan. I think Nathan bought a lot of
discipline to the boat. Yeah, I'd say it was. There
was a more dominant performance than it was an Aucklander now,
which was surprising, you know, I think a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, were you surprised? I bet you were. I know
I was wrapped by every second. Is whatever that was
that was happening on the other side of the world
in the middle of the night. We are going to
keep it sailing as indeed, that last thing we were
talking about exactually sailing the kind of the complete opposite.
(04:58):
Really Andrew Fagan in a tiny little boat trying to
make his way around the world.
Speaker 7 (05:02):
This is quite an adventure and you have done quite
a lot of solo something before you hit it off
on this. But was it a big leap to go
from sailing back and forward to Australia or to the
sub antactic Auckland Islands. Was it a big leap to
go from that to circumnavigating the globe? I imagine the
Southern Ocean kind of prepared you a bit for this.
Speaker 8 (05:23):
Yeah, it was a big leap, but it was also
something that I was I felt prepared for, you know,
because I've had the boat for thirty seven years. I've
done a lot of offshore sailing in it, you know,
like like you said, to Australia and down the sub
Antactic organd islands. So I felt in my own mind
that this was just a logical step, and apart from
the amount of time it was going to take, which
(05:44):
I thought was about you know, twelve a year. Really,
you know, I had food and water, food for fourteen months.
But yeah, it was I felt I was ready for it,
and you know that I aspired to sailing around the world,
you know, since I was a teenager.
Speaker 7 (06:02):
I mean I was quite taken back at how compact
thrilling world is. I mean, it's amazing what you managed
to pack into it. She's a five point one meters sleep.
Speaker 8 (06:09):
Yeah, so that's imperial that's just under seventeen feet. Yeah,
so it's it's tiny. Cozy. Cozy is a nice way
to put it.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Francisco.
Speaker 7 (06:19):
How do you prepare for a journey like that?
Speaker 8 (06:21):
Well, it was about five years of accumulating everything. You know,
you have to mitigate for all sorts of possibilities, so
it's a lot. It was expensive, you know, well it
was expensive to me about thirty thousand dollars worth of
stuff that was on board, you know, live rafts, a
lot of freeze dried food because weight's a big issue.
You know, you can't take canned food or normal stuff
(06:44):
no refrigeration. So and water. I had to take a
water maker with me because the weight of water. You
can't act fresh water. You can't actually have enough, you know,
to start with. Although I had two hundred liters on board,
but that's not going to get you around the world.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You know, ye had a water maker, man, I didn't
realize that was a thing that you could have. Why
haven't we got a bunch of those. Every time the
hydro lakes are running out of fire up the water
makers to fill them up. Right, there's a little bit
(07:21):
of boot camp progress for you. I know, we're not
supposed to board in boot camps, are we, But yeah,
apparently they're absolutely loving it. This experimental group of delinquents.
I love the boot camp. Probably don't love it quite
so much when they get back home there.
Speaker 8 (07:35):
I think I heard an interview with Karen Saw a
couple of days ago speaking about this, and she sounded
pretty thrilled about where these people have got to. What's
what have you heard, What's what's your stance on where
they're at?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Yeah, look, I mean in terms of, you know, transition
out out of the campsin community, that that was always
going to be the hardest, hardest point. We know that
kind of residential spaces we're in, that controlled environment, those
young people are maybe going to do a little bit better.
The hardest point is bringing them back into community, ensuring
(08:10):
that they're getting the support, the love, the care in
all those key issues that are going around in their
lives can actually be addressed. That's going to be the
difficult part.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
Do you think the three months themselves have gone well?
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Probably not something I can kind of speak to specifically
at this stage. I think one thing we do know
about the camps, you know they were first sold, is
boot camp. Specifically, what I think has emerged isn't exactly
a boot camp. We've seen some really good work from
Odding and some key to try and ensure that there's
some good evidence based and repround support being provided to
those young people within that space. Military component, from what
(08:46):
I can see, is largely just a gimmick, with a
lot of work being done to ensure that there's residential
support and therapeutic support being offered.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I thought we were just supposed to be riding them
up and putting them on the drag peede. Isn't that
what we're the point of the exercise.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Unless we go there?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Well, news talks that been.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Let's finish up with Michael Moore Berger, the acclaimed author
of historical things that sort of based on stuff that
actually happened but just caares up a bit. He's all
(09:27):
about heroic corgy. I think in this latest book see.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
What he's doing now, Michael, that the main character in
Cobweb is a corgy and Corgy is a drover. So
can you tell us where you found the inspiration for
Cobweb and exactly what is a drover?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:45):
I can tell you. It's like every book I've ever written,
I get luckier people tell me things. In this case,
it was a friend of ours who decided he was
going to do a two hundred and fifty mile walk
from the west coast of Wales to London and he
was going to do it to raise money for a
(10:06):
charity we run called Farms City Children, which gets children
from the cities here in England, London, Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester.
They come to the farm in Devon and they live
and work on this farm and two others at the
charity run. So he was going to help us by
raising money and doing this walk. I said, why are
you doing this walk? And you know what road will
(10:28):
you be taking? You said, when I'm going on the
Drovers Road. And I didn't know what a drove all was,
but I had no real idea that you could walk
the same route at all. But he had researched it
extremely carefully and he set off. This was last year,
walking all the way from Pembrokeshire in South Wales up
to London, which was the route followed by the drovers
(10:52):
of old who for thousands of years, and I mean
literally thousands of years, it was the only way to
get your animals to market. So your cows and your sheep,
even your geese, everything that you grew on the farm,
raised on the farm had to find a market. And
where were the markets? They were always in the big cities,
the big towns, no lorries, no trains, no other way
(11:14):
of getting them except to walk them there. And so
what they did they would set off with'd say two
hundred cattle and five hundred sheep, and they'd have a
dog or several dogs, depending on the side of the flock,
and all these animals would have been gathered from the
farms all around, and they set off on this incredible
journey of two hundred and fifty miles twenty miles a day.
(11:37):
They'd go, staying in inns on the way, but the
problem was that the dogs really didn't go in the
inns much. They would be left outside guarding the animals
against rustlers, anyone who would like to steal anyone. And
they're cattle themselves, and the sheep they'd be grazing the
grass and there would be a river or a pond.
So they were very specific where they should be these inns.
(11:59):
They had to be where animals could be safe and
safely graze. Then the next day they'd set off again
and they would do twenty miles a day, twenty miles
a day.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
And end up just trying to figure out how long
it would have taken me to because I went to
Hamilton on Saturday night for a show and then to
strode back again. Is the like It Expressway is awesome
and it's not that far, And just to try to
think how long it would have taken me if I'd
just walked there with the dog. I mean, he's a
(12:31):
pretty good walker. I don't know if he'd do twenty
miles a day, though that does seem pretty amazing, especially
for a corky and a very long legs. I'm iro
angle and hat more amazing animal feats for you tomorrow overheats.
Probably not, I will see that.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
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