November 5, 2024 • 13 mins
THE BEST BITS IN A SILLIER PACKAGE (from Tuesday's Mike Hosking Breakfast) Do the Criminally Adjacent Really Deserve to Have Rights?/Is Maths Still Necessary?/Cats Are A-holes/What to Wear, What to Wear...
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart and we
are looking back at tuesday ness. Tuition seems like a
good idea. Why is this a story? Not sure? Should
we be registering cats like we do with dogs? And
(00:43):
what are you supposed to wear to funerals before any
of that? Youth crime and dealing with it and not
being able to whack kids who are in boot camps
strange sort of a newsday yesterday, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
These kids are not in boot camps because they're nice
kids with good manners and excellent anger management. They are
in the boot camp because the problem. So the chance
that someone needs to restrain a violent kid, I would say,
is probably quite high. So let's get real. If you
are dealing with young people who kick up, as a
matter of course, you need to be able to restrain them.
(01:23):
This is not outrageous, this is necessary. The second story
is the complaint about the police raids on a porticky
gang houses terrorizing children. Would you please get a grip
a police raid, I would venture is probably the least
of the concerns of these children growing up in gang houses.
They are growing up in gang houses. These places are
(01:43):
not known as ideal family homes full of you know,
I don't know, quiet time, nice routine, well behaved parents.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
These raids apparently netted firearms, drugs, and stopped two possible murders,
including a drive by shooting at a local MIDI So,
would a police rate really be the worst thing that
these kids have experienced? I doubt it very much. I
feel like it's very easy to point the finger of
blame it all authorities for being heavy handed or mean.
But if we do that, let's be absolutely sure that
(02:12):
we understand the realities of how the other side in
this equation likes to behave.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, I mean, I guess it's true that a lot
of people will think, what if you're crime adjacent, you're
in an accessory and no nobody involved gets has any rights.
I think that's what we like a lot of people
(02:39):
like to think the slippery slope. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
News Talk zip Bean.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Actually, don't think Ryan's got much sympathy for youth criminals either.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Take the teenage at Dante, Eden, for example, when he
was sixteen, he bashed a seventy eight year old man
nearly to death while the old guy slept in his bed.
The judge gave him a warning and told him to
keep out of trouble. If that's not lenient, I don't
know what it is.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Did he say out of trouble?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
No stuff?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Reports?
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Three months later he robbed a bloke in Wellington, stole
from a petrol station and resisted arrest by the cops.
Now he's eighteen, he'll be dealt with by the same judge,
but in a district court, not a youth court. I'm
all for second chances and the youth court in some cases,
but surely if you beat nearly to death an old
man in his bed in such a brutal fashion, there's
nothing particularly youthful about your actions. You're not acting like
(03:27):
a youth who's made a wee mistake and needs a
hand turning things around. You've acted like a thug and
more should be done to stop another crime from being committed.
This guy was seen running from the old man's house
with a crowbar for goodness sakes. So the judge in
these new charges has given him home detention for the
second round offending. So you can beat an old man,
(03:48):
mug another, rip off a gas station and fight with
the cops and never see the inside of a cell.
Keeping him out of jail might be better for him
in the long term, we're told, But is it better
for us the public walking down the street or god forbid,
sleeping in our own.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Beds at night? Yeah? I mean, there are going to
be cases where the systems got it wrong and we
love to make a big news story out of it,
and obviously we should do things to avoid that happening
in future. But does that mean we write off an
entire cohort of our population and throw them away? I mean,
(04:33):
what are the real consequences of that? You're such a
lefty liberal, Glen, won't you just shut up?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Okay, youse talk?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Is it because these kids don't know how to do maths?
Is that what the problem is? Probably?
Speaker 6 (04:44):
But we had labor sort of tinkering with the curriculum
and bringing into our maori into maths and science, and
it was all very localized, and communities could kind of
pick and choose how they wanted to teach with no
resources there like teachers will leaft floundering as well. They
basically had to do the work of the many thousands
(05:07):
of bureaucrats in the Ministry of Education and come up
with a curriculum. And as Elizabeth Rata said, Professor Elizabeth
Rata at Auckland University said, the draft of the new
curriculum as devised by Labor was a national disgrace. It's
a curriculum without content. It's an ideological manifesto. Children in
(05:27):
the far North should receive the same education as children
in the far South. It should not be left to chance.
And that's what happened. That's exactly what has been happening.
Now we've got an education minister who is a passionate
about giving our children what they deserve and b has
(05:49):
ideas about how to make it happen. You know, it
shouldn't be left to chance, as Professor Ratta says, it
shouldn't be left to teachers to come up with some
kind of vague curriculum which they have precious little time
to do, and it shouldn't be left to parents to
find seven hundred dollars a term to shore up the
(06:10):
gaps in our education system. It shouldn't be that those
who can and those who have are able to circumvent
our education system and be better and do better, leaving
the others languishing. That is not the way we make
(06:30):
a better New Zealand. That is not the way we
make a productive New Zealand. And that's not the way
we make a New Zealand that gives every child the
opportunity to fulfill their potential.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I agree that everybody should have the same access to
the same education. Do I think that maths is as
important as it used to be? The actually don't. I
(07:02):
think kids should be being taught how to use AI
to do maths for them, and much of the way
that I don't think that. I don't think that is
anybody taught handwriting anymore. That used to be a thing,
used to get taught handwriting, because you don't need to
do it anymore. And I don't think you really need
to know how to do maths, although it's saying that
(07:24):
in my job, I've got to count backwards in time
and that's tricky. I wish they'd spend more time teaching
me how to do that at school. Is that maths.
Is time maths or is it physics? My head starting
to hurt and it's only four forty five am. Right,
(07:44):
it's a classic talker this one. As we say in
the industry, should people have to register their cats?
Speaker 7 (07:51):
Cats? They don't care a law into themselves. You know,
if you've got a vase on the bench at home,
can you say, cat, don't knock that over? You know
it's going to go over absolutegics. Yeah, I agree, Yeah,
there are they are registering. A cat is not going
(08:12):
to stop at crapping in your Veggi've hatch I've got
a neighborhood cat that keeps ship from the dahlias. At
the moment, I can't do much about it. But seriously,
what are they supposed to wear a little tag around
their neck? How do we do this?
Speaker 8 (08:26):
But it's on your point on the funding, and I
get where you're coming from, Leir, but I mean it's
it's money for nothing for the government. Really, is that
they set up a cat register? Well, yeah, I mean
like a dog register. You know, nobody really will come
knocking on your door and saying, hey, we know you've
got a dog.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Is it registered in microship?
Speaker 8 (08:43):
That doesn't happen. But responsible dog owners will do that,
but not all dog owners will do that. And you'd
hope if they bought this sad at least fifty percent
of cat owners may do it in time, and that's
money for nothing for the government.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
Yeah, but that means you've got fifty percent of the
population the cats that aren't registered. You've got you've got
half the population registered, you know, and then you've got
another fifty per cent of the population that aren't registered.
Of the population, they're probably not desexed. They're gonna go
out and do the jiggy thing with a with a
(09:17):
you know, with a girl care or a boy cat
or whatever. And the population is gonna keep going.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
You're gonna go out and do the jiggy thing. I
wish I'd stopped that audio a little, just ever so
slightly earlier. Yeah, dogs and cats say, there's certainly our differences,
aren't there. They all do love to do the jiggy thing, though.
(09:43):
I think there's no question about that.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
News talk has it been right?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I think they were talking the Melbourne cats with Marcus yesterday.
But then yet somehow it got very quickly on compules.
Amazing how things can happen.
Speaker 10 (10:00):
Marcus, I abhor the idea of horse racing. The horses
wouldn't race Thrond a track less forced to by humans
and more honors the way humans dress up the nine,
showing off their arrogance and one upmanship. Yet people will
tune up for a funeral in casual genes close for
a funeral, bad form all around to disgusting behavior make
(10:22):
I'm never quite sure what to wear to a funeral.
I reckon I might have missed the memo on the
funeral because I reckon at a funeral, you dress how
the person that died would remember you.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Have I got that one wrong.
Speaker 10 (10:37):
I've often been to a funeral and thought, gee, I'm underdressed.
Never discussed that as a topic. I'm not an etiquette
guy like some of those YouTube people. What's the rules
for a funeral? Because if I was going to see
someone off, I would want them to think, yeah, if
(10:59):
I was. I was going to say, if I was
going to my own funeral, But that's not gonna be
a thing.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Is it?
Speaker 10 (11:08):
Also sort of want to be relaxed at a funeral,
And I was something like, it's all about me a
little bit, isn't it but yeah, I reckon I might
have missed the memo on the funeral.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Sometime it's interesting. There's a lot of interesting things there,
as there often are, and just a few moments, Marcus
can raise a lot of interesting questions. I like his
idea that you should dress as the person remembers you
(11:37):
would remember you. I mean, they're not remembering anything, they're dead,
but up up until a point. I mean, imagine if
you've only ever played beach volleyball with that person, for example,
I mean that's I think we're agreed that wouldn't be
appropriate the word of a funeral. And another thing that
(11:59):
Marcus rastad to Raisa was his own personal dress sense. Now,
the funny thing with Marcus's I've known him for do
I know him? I've been adjacent to Marcus pretty much
efficince I started in radio, just about certainly since I
moved to Auckland. He was actually co hosting on ZIDIM
Breakfast at one stage, Lana co Crop, can you believe
(12:22):
do you remember?
Speaker 4 (12:23):
That?
Speaker 7 (12:27):
Way?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Off topic here anyway, But yeah, in terms of dress
sense these days, I really only see him once a
year at radio awards. Occasionally there might be another sort
of work do because he lives down south. I live
up north, but occasionally he'll come up for an important event.
(12:48):
And yeah, I'm not sure he always gets the dress
code right, is my point. He's got his own. I'm
sure he dresses appropriately, as he sort of said in
his own mind, well dress codes. I think we're past that,
aren't we. For yourself, For yourself, Marcus, I'm not judging.
(13:12):
I'm just saying he often does dress differently as everyone else,
and in fact many ways. I commend that this might
be one of the longest bits of me going on
at the end of the podcast. Ever, it started at
about the eleven minute mark, and we've gone past thirteen
minutes now. It's so impressive or adrawing from me. I
(13:36):
bet you're glad you stayed, and I hope you come
back again for more of this sort of thing tomorrow.
I see then news.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Talkers Talks it been.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
For more from news talk said b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk SEDB. Follow
this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio,
Used Talk sedby You Talk sed.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hello, my beautiful beanies, and welcome to the bean for Wednesday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glen Hart and we
are looking back at tuesday ness. Tuition seems like a
good idea. Why is this a story? Not sure? Should
we be registering cats like we do with dogs? And
(00:43):
what are you supposed to wear to funerals before any
of that? Youth crime and dealing with it and not
being able to whack kids who are in boot camps
strange sort of a newsday yesterday, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
These kids are not in boot camps because they're nice
kids with good manners and excellent anger management. They are
in the boot camp because the problem. So the chance
that someone needs to restrain a violent kid, I would say,
is probably quite high. So let's get real. If you
are dealing with young people who kick up, as a
matter of course, you need to be able to restrain them.
(01:23):
This is not outrageous, this is necessary. The second story
is the complaint about the police raids on a porticky
gang houses terrorizing children. Would you please get a grip
a police raid, I would venture is probably the least
of the concerns of these children growing up in gang houses.
They are growing up in gang houses. These places are
(01:43):
not known as ideal family homes full of you know,
I don't know, quiet time, nice routine, well behaved parents.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
These raids apparently netted firearms, drugs, and stopped two possible murders,
including a drive by shooting at a local MIDI So,
would a police rate really be the worst thing that
these kids have experienced? I doubt it very much. I
feel like it's very easy to point the finger of
blame it all authorities for being heavy handed or mean.
But if we do that, let's be absolutely sure that
(02:12):
we understand the realities of how the other side in
this equation likes to behave.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Yeah, I mean, I guess it's true that a lot
of people will think, what if you're crime adjacent, you're
in an accessory and no nobody involved gets has any rights.
I think that's what we like a lot of people
(02:39):
like to think the slippery slope. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
News Talk zip Bean.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Actually, don't think Ryan's got much sympathy for youth criminals either.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Take the teenage at Dante, Eden, for example, when he
was sixteen, he bashed a seventy eight year old man
nearly to death while the old guy slept in his bed.
The judge gave him a warning and told him to
keep out of trouble. If that's not lenient, I don't
know what it is.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Did he say out of trouble?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
No stuff?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Reports?
Speaker 5 (03:05):
Three months later he robbed a bloke in Wellington, stole
from a petrol station and resisted arrest by the cops.
Now he's eighteen, he'll be dealt with by the same judge,
but in a district court, not a youth court. I'm
all for second chances and the youth court in some cases,
but surely if you beat nearly to death an old
man in his bed in such a brutal fashion, there's
nothing particularly youthful about your actions. You're not acting like
(03:27):
a youth who's made a wee mistake and needs a
hand turning things around. You've acted like a thug and
more should be done to stop another crime from being committed.
This guy was seen running from the old man's house
with a crowbar for goodness sakes. So the judge in
these new charges has given him home detention for the
second round offending. So you can beat an old man,
(03:48):
mug another, rip off a gas station and fight with
the cops and never see the inside of a cell.
Keeping him out of jail might be better for him
in the long term, we're told, But is it better
for us the public walking down the street or god forbid,
sleeping in our own.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Beds at night? Yeah? I mean, there are going to
be cases where the systems got it wrong and we
love to make a big news story out of it,
and obviously we should do things to avoid that happening
in future. But does that mean we write off an
entire cohort of our population and throw them away? I mean,
(04:33):
what are the real consequences of that? You're such a
lefty liberal, Glen, won't you just shut up?
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Okay, youse talk?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Is it because these kids don't know how to do maths?
Is that what the problem is? Probably?
Speaker 6 (04:44):
But we had labor sort of tinkering with the curriculum
and bringing into our maori into maths and science, and
it was all very localized, and communities could kind of
pick and choose how they wanted to teach with no
resources there like teachers will leaft floundering as well. They
basically had to do the work of the many thousands
(05:07):
of bureaucrats in the Ministry of Education and come up
with a curriculum. And as Elizabeth Rata said, Professor Elizabeth
Rata at Auckland University said, the draft of the new
curriculum as devised by Labor was a national disgrace. It's
a curriculum without content. It's an ideological manifesto. Children in
(05:27):
the far North should receive the same education as children
in the far South. It should not be left to chance.
And that's what happened. That's exactly what has been happening.
Now we've got an education minister who is a passionate
about giving our children what they deserve and b has
(05:49):
ideas about how to make it happen. You know, it
shouldn't be left to chance, as Professor Ratta says, it
shouldn't be left to teachers to come up with some
kind of vague curriculum which they have precious little time
to do, and it shouldn't be left to parents to
find seven hundred dollars a term to shore up the
(06:10):
gaps in our education system. It shouldn't be that those
who can and those who have are able to circumvent
our education system and be better and do better, leaving
the others languishing. That is not the way we make
(06:30):
a better New Zealand. That is not the way we
make a productive New Zealand. And that's not the way
we make a New Zealand that gives every child the
opportunity to fulfill their potential.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I agree that everybody should have the same access to
the same education. Do I think that maths is as
important as it used to be? The actually don't. I
(07:02):
think kids should be being taught how to use AI
to do maths for them, and much of the way
that I don't think that. I don't think that is
anybody taught handwriting anymore. That used to be a thing,
used to get taught handwriting, because you don't need to
do it anymore. And I don't think you really need
to know how to do maths, although it's saying that
(07:24):
in my job, I've got to count backwards in time
and that's tricky. I wish they'd spend more time teaching
me how to do that at school. Is that maths.
Is time maths or is it physics? My head starting
to hurt and it's only four forty five am. Right,
(07:44):
it's a classic talker this one. As we say in
the industry, should people have to register their cats?
Speaker 7 (07:51):
Cats? They don't care a law into themselves. You know,
if you've got a vase on the bench at home,
can you say, cat, don't knock that over? You know
it's going to go over absolutegics. Yeah, I agree, Yeah,
there are they are registering. A cat is not going
(08:12):
to stop at crapping in your Veggi've hatch I've got
a neighborhood cat that keeps ship from the dahlias. At
the moment, I can't do much about it. But seriously,
what are they supposed to wear a little tag around
their neck? How do we do this?
Speaker 8 (08:26):
But it's on your point on the funding, and I
get where you're coming from, Leir, but I mean it's
it's money for nothing for the government. Really, is that
they set up a cat register? Well, yeah, I mean
like a dog register. You know, nobody really will come
knocking on your door and saying, hey, we know you've
got a dog.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Is it registered in microship?
Speaker 8 (08:43):
That doesn't happen. But responsible dog owners will do that,
but not all dog owners will do that. And you'd
hope if they bought this sad at least fifty percent
of cat owners may do it in time, and that's
money for nothing for the government.
Speaker 9 (08:55):
Yeah, but that means you've got fifty percent of the
population the cats that aren't registered. You've got you've got
half the population registered, you know, and then you've got
another fifty per cent of the population that aren't registered.
Of the population, they're probably not desexed. They're gonna go
out and do the jiggy thing with a with a
(09:17):
you know, with a girl care or a boy cat
or whatever. And the population is gonna keep going.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
You're gonna go out and do the jiggy thing. I
wish I'd stopped that audio a little, just ever so
slightly earlier. Yeah, dogs and cats say, there's certainly our differences,
aren't there. They all do love to do the jiggy thing, though.
(09:43):
I think there's no question about that.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
News talk has it been right?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I think they were talking the Melbourne cats with Marcus yesterday.
But then yet somehow it got very quickly on compules.
Amazing how things can happen.
Speaker 10 (10:00):
Marcus, I abhor the idea of horse racing. The horses
wouldn't race Thrond a track less forced to by humans
and more honors the way humans dress up the nine,
showing off their arrogance and one upmanship. Yet people will
tune up for a funeral in casual genes close for
a funeral, bad form all around to disgusting behavior make
(10:22):
I'm never quite sure what to wear to a funeral.
I reckon I might have missed the memo on the
funeral because I reckon at a funeral, you dress how
the person that died would remember you.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Have I got that one wrong.
Speaker 10 (10:37):
I've often been to a funeral and thought, gee, I'm underdressed.
Never discussed that as a topic. I'm not an etiquette
guy like some of those YouTube people. What's the rules
for a funeral? Because if I was going to see
someone off, I would want them to think, yeah, if
(10:59):
I was. I was going to say, if I was
going to my own funeral, But that's not gonna be
a thing.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Is it?
Speaker 10 (11:08):
Also sort of want to be relaxed at a funeral,
And I was something like, it's all about me a
little bit, isn't it but yeah, I reckon I might
have missed the memo on the funeral.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Sometime it's interesting. There's a lot of interesting things there,
as there often are, and just a few moments, Marcus
can raise a lot of interesting questions. I like his
idea that you should dress as the person remembers you
(11:37):
would remember you. I mean, they're not remembering anything, they're dead,
but up up until a point. I mean, imagine if
you've only ever played beach volleyball with that person, for example,
I mean that's I think we're agreed that wouldn't be
appropriate the word of a funeral. And another thing that
(11:59):
Marcus rastad to Raisa was his own personal dress sense. Now,
the funny thing with Marcus's I've known him for do
I know him? I've been adjacent to Marcus pretty much
efficince I started in radio, just about certainly since I
moved to Auckland. He was actually co hosting on ZIDIM
Breakfast at one stage, Lana co Crop, can you believe
(12:22):
do you remember?
Speaker 4 (12:23):
That?
Speaker 7 (12:27):
Way?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Off topic here anyway, But yeah, in terms of dress
sense these days, I really only see him once a
year at radio awards. Occasionally there might be another sort
of work do because he lives down south. I live
up north, but occasionally he'll come up for an important event.
(12:48):
And yeah, I'm not sure he always gets the dress
code right, is my point. He's got his own. I'm
sure he dresses appropriately, as he sort of said in
his own mind, well dress codes. I think we're past that,
aren't we. For yourself, For yourself, Marcus, I'm not judging.
(13:12):
I'm just saying he often does dress differently as everyone else,
and in fact many ways. I commend that this might
be one of the longest bits of me going on
at the end of the podcast. Ever, it started at
about the eleven minute mark, and we've gone past thirteen
minutes now. It's so impressive or adrawing from me. I
(13:36):
bet you're glad you stayed, and I hope you come
back again for more of this sort of thing tomorrow.
I see then news.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Talkers Talks it been.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
For more from news talk said b listen live on
air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio
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