November 28, 2024 • 12 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello maybe beple beanies, and welcome to the Bean for Friday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart and we
are looking back at Thursday.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
So COVID Report Part one beginning. Is it a prequel
because we've got a sequel coming? I think? Anyway, where
are we at with us?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
While are we still talking about it?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Is it asnic asnic asenic in the water? It can't
be good.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It's the Erebus anniversary and we're still talking about where
to put the memorial?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Are we.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
And what is in sertification? And are we allowed to
say it on the radio. But before any of that,
the economy, our economy, you know, with the old ocr
and all the rest of it, versus where they are
in the United States right now. RAN has been doing
some pretty in depth analysis on all this.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
We went balls to the wall with interest rate hikes
post COVID, and we were the first out the gate
to do it as well. We've held higher for longer
and the hangover is hitting like a.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Forty ounces Smirnoff in the morning. It's not pretty, is it.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Sure the rates are coming down, we saw more of
that yesterday, But boy, the mess that that wrecking ball
has left behind. What's interesting about the Americans, even though
their consumer confidence was low as ours has been as well,
they would still go out and use the credit card
to buy stuff. In other words, the sentiment there didn't
match the reality, which is what we're seeing in the
GDP number that's been announced this morning, which we should
(02:03):
and do envy. Of course, they're a country that's run
on domestic consumption. We run on trade, and we haven't
been helped by the likes of China, where there's been
the slow down Europe, et cetera. They are the markets
that we must sell to to make a buck. But
there is a question here for Nikola willis, now that
inflation has beat how much further will you go with
the belt tightening? Is a return to surplus at all costs,
(02:27):
at any costs?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Worth it?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
She's repeatedly said, not How much? Does she mean that?
I guess we'll find out when we get the HAIFU
numbers for December on the seventeenth.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Be honest, are you really following all this stuff as
closely as our host seem to be ocr's GDP's haifu's.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
CPI's I know.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I keep saying this, but I really feel like we've
become more obsessed with this stuff than we.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Ever used to be. Just let it go on in
the background and get along with your life. That's my advice.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Hu's talk z be I do.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
What would I know?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
So?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, COVID, Well we're still blaming everything on COVID, I
think so, And just how wrong did we get it?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
And what are the lessons learned? And can we get
it right next time?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
We've had half a report, I think that's what we've had,
because there's more to come.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
So you've got people who don't believe in science. You've
got vaccine fatigue, you know. Now we've got a rise
in hoop and cough because people are just sick to
death of the word vaccination. They don't trust vaccinations, they
don't trust governments telling you to get vaccinated because of
(03:47):
what has happened. And this is the Western world over,
not just in New Zealand. So the fallout from not
managing the vaccination program is going to be felt for
years to come. You know, they did say in this
first phase of the Royal Commission of Inquiry that you know,
(04:09):
some aspects were handled well the first six weeks.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Great.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
After that the wheels fell off. Well, I think you
said the wheels will wobbly. I'd go further and say
the the wheels fell completely and utterly off. So, you know,
I think we can learn, and I think we should learn,
and I think there are lessons that can be learned.
And the first phase of the inquiry has proven that
there's a lot of.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
This stuff going on all over the place, all over
the world.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
It'd be interesting to see if all these reports and
inquiries and investigations are actually all finished by the next
pandemic when it comes along, And of course that'll be
different for some reason, and then we won't know what
to do again.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Probably.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh well, you talk, sib right, disturbing news about the
water arsenic and the water yesterday. This can't be good,
can it.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
We actually found out from social media because someone's step
mum's boss reckoned that there was too much arsenic in
the water. Now, I think that's a really bad way
to find out that something's up. That might be slightly
alarming to find out on social media through rumors and
people texting each other trying to find out, and supermarket
shelves being cleared of water. I think authorities undermine a
(05:28):
lot of trust when they sit on information that they
should get out there as soon as public, as soon
as they possibly can. And part of the reason I
think that we are susceptible now to being really picky
with authorities is because we lost a lot of trust
and authorities during COVID. I mean, a lot of us
packed holes in what they were saying, found out they
were telling FIBs, FIBs about people, the women going to Northland,
(05:50):
fibbs about Charlotte Ballas, fibbs about the KFC worker with
holding information, holding lockdowns longer than they needed to. And
it's ironic that I'm telling you the story on the
day that the COVID report lands and vindicates a lot
of what we were concerned about and says, na, actually,
you guys were right. They did actually know things and
they didn't act on them.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Anyway.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
I'm not telling you this because I'm advocating for you
to ignore authorities at all. I'm telling you this that
you understand perhaps why you might be feeling same as me,
maybe doing some irrational things like going out and buying water.
And I'm also telling you this so that their authorities
understand the level of ground that they have to make
up with us to earn our trust back. And what
water Care and the water authorities did yesterday that's not helpful.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
It's funny how often with these stories you'd get the
headline and not much else too.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So I heard a lot of stories.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yesterday morning about how there is too much ass neck
in the water. But the one question I had, which
didn't get answered until I actually asked somebody here at work,
was how did it get in there?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Anyway? How do you get askedic in the water? And
then of course.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Somebody say to meet, well, it comes from rocks, Like
I was an idiot for not knowing there, And then
I realized I was giving ant mixed up with SINAI,
which I think you make from grinding up apple.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Seeds, if or something for some sorts of seeds, which
is why you're not supposed to at dogs in the apples.
I've got a little bit off fact for you. But yeah,
so basically, don't drink the water, don't lift the rocks,
is what I learned out of that. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So yeah, every year around this time we talk about
the Erabas disaster, the plane crash, and there's.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Still no memorial and people are still arguing about what it.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
Should be and where it should be, because I know
people are looking about where they should put the memorial site.
So my recollection from previous talkback I think we did
on the forty year commemoration of Erebus was that the
plane flew from Auckland to christ Church and then I
(08:04):
think there was a crew change. I'm not entirely sure
about that, but then it flew from christ Church to
Antarctica and was expected to return back to christ Church
and then come back to Auckland. The other thing I
remember at the time about that was that the trips
(08:27):
to Arabis were considered well, they did a number of them,
and they were much talked about things. Sorry, not the
trips to Arabus. The trips to Antarctica were much talked
about things, and I remember vividly there were competitions like
for toothpaste and stuff, and the prize was a trip
(08:47):
to Antarctica on a sightseeing plane, so it was a
really big deal. Arabis is a active volcano that sits
over Scott Bass and McMurdo Base in Antarctica. Yeah, and
if you are in Antarctica, it sort of bubbles away
over you. It sort of feels like the Mountain Overlord.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Shouldn't that be where it is on Erebus?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I mean I get that not many people would see
it there, but could you put it there and have
a webcam and then people could look at it if
they wanted to do stupid Ilegan, stop stop trying to
have ideas about things.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Sorry, news talk z it bean.
Speaker 9 (09:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
So Mike Hoskin was talking about this the other day
and as usual, all the afternoon shows, you know, two, three,
four days behind. But yeah, they got into the end
sertification of well of the internet.
Speaker 9 (09:44):
Basically, we're talking about the decline of digital platforms.
Speaker 10 (09:47):
There's a word for it, Yeah, block your ears if
you don't like dirty words. It's in shitification.
Speaker 9 (09:53):
Sums it up, though, didn't it.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Yeah. First, digital platforms are good to the users.
Speaker 10 (09:57):
Then they abuse their users to make things better for
their business customers. Finally they abuse their business cousins call
things back. We've been talking a lot about Airbnb, both
sides of it. People booking airbb and barb BMB not
liking the extra charges and people running Airbnb's not liking
the admin in the way things going. But I also
want to talk about dating apps because that's definitely happening there.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Hi boys. I met my missus of three years on Hinge.
Speaker 10 (10:23):
Back when I was on the app, there was no
ads at all, but recently saw my mates Tinder full
of ads, which came as a huge surprise.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Best bless blessed cheer boys. Thanks for your text and
congratulation on finding finding it is good work.
Speaker 9 (10:34):
Yeah, it's a big thing though, isn't it. I mean
Tinder now is paid to play, same with whom, same
with bumble. If you don't pay the money, you are
not going to get legitimate matches.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
It's you're gonna get choked.
Speaker 10 (10:44):
Yeah yeah yeah, what about the old I reckon get
rid of the apps altogether. I think that's a terrible
way to find love. Someone might someone and luck. That's
not how I've used it, so maybe I'm wrong, But
it just seems everyone I talked to on there it's
just an absolute allhole dumpsterfy.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
It's a dumpsterify of misery, you know.
Speaker 10 (11:04):
And I've talked to bar owners who say that because
of the dating apps, people don't talk to each other anymore.
They just go out, they're flicking their apps. They're going out,
people going individual dates. But they tried and true proper
key we weigh to meet someone is to have a
little bit of a chat when they're buying a drink
and say hello, are you what are you up to
(11:24):
and just starting a conversation. And then friend groups come
together and you meet people that way. That if it
wasn't for the apps, then that would still be going
on because so many people, I mean so many people
have met each other.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
We've all got a mom and dad system. The system
used to work.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
It's a good point, actually, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Is it another one of these things that were supposed
to make things better, but it's made at worse because
you know, we'll these declining birth rates everywhere.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Interesting, it's probably.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Just another symptom of the downfall society. We know, I
wouldn't worry about it. And on that note, have a
great everyone, and we'll see you back here and get.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
On mondays us Talking Talking Zied Bean. For more from
News Talk sid B, listen live on air or online
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio,
You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sed B.
Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
iHeartRadio Used Talk sed B Talk said.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hello maybe beple beanies, and welcome to the Bean for Friday.
First with yesterday's news, I am Glenn Hart and we
are looking back at Thursday.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
So COVID Report Part one beginning. Is it a prequel
because we've got a sequel coming? I think? Anyway, where
are we at with us?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
While are we still talking about it?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Is it asnic asnic asenic in the water? It can't
be good.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It's the Erebus anniversary and we're still talking about where
to put the memorial?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Are we.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
And what is in sertification? And are we allowed to
say it on the radio. But before any of that,
the economy, our economy, you know, with the old ocr
and all the rest of it, versus where they are
in the United States right now. RAN has been doing
some pretty in depth analysis on all this.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
We went balls to the wall with interest rate hikes
post COVID, and we were the first out the gate
to do it as well. We've held higher for longer
and the hangover is hitting like a.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Forty ounces Smirnoff in the morning. It's not pretty, is it.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Sure the rates are coming down, we saw more of
that yesterday, But boy, the mess that that wrecking ball
has left behind. What's interesting about the Americans, even though
their consumer confidence was low as ours has been as well,
they would still go out and use the credit card
to buy stuff. In other words, the sentiment there didn't
match the reality, which is what we're seeing in the
GDP number that's been announced this morning, which we should
(02:03):
and do envy. Of course, they're a country that's run
on domestic consumption. We run on trade, and we haven't
been helped by the likes of China, where there's been
the slow down Europe, et cetera. They are the markets
that we must sell to to make a buck. But
there is a question here for Nikola willis, now that
inflation has beat how much further will you go with
the belt tightening? Is a return to surplus at all costs,
(02:27):
at any costs?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Worth it?
Speaker 4 (02:29):
She's repeatedly said, not How much? Does she mean that?
I guess we'll find out when we get the HAIFU
numbers for December on the seventeenth.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Be honest, are you really following all this stuff as
closely as our host seem to be ocr's GDP's haifu's.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
CPI's I know.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
I keep saying this, but I really feel like we've
become more obsessed with this stuff than we.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Ever used to be. Just let it go on in
the background and get along with your life. That's my advice.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Hu's talk z be I do.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
What would I know?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
So?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, COVID, Well we're still blaming everything on COVID, I
think so, And just how wrong did we get it?
Speaker 3 (03:18):
And what are the lessons learned? And can we get
it right next time?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
We've had half a report, I think that's what we've had,
because there's more to come.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
So you've got people who don't believe in science. You've
got vaccine fatigue, you know. Now we've got a rise
in hoop and cough because people are just sick to
death of the word vaccination. They don't trust vaccinations, they
don't trust governments telling you to get vaccinated because of
(03:47):
what has happened. And this is the Western world over,
not just in New Zealand. So the fallout from not
managing the vaccination program is going to be felt for
years to come. You know, they did say in this
first phase of the Royal Commission of Inquiry that you know,
(04:09):
some aspects were handled well the first six weeks.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Great.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
After that the wheels fell off. Well, I think you
said the wheels will wobbly. I'd go further and say
the the wheels fell completely and utterly off. So, you know,
I think we can learn, and I think we should learn,
and I think there are lessons that can be learned.
And the first phase of the inquiry has proven that
there's a lot of.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
This stuff going on all over the place, all over
the world.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
It'd be interesting to see if all these reports and
inquiries and investigations are actually all finished by the next
pandemic when it comes along, And of course that'll be
different for some reason, and then we won't know what
to do again.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Probably.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Oh well, you talk, sib right, disturbing news about the
water arsenic and the water yesterday. This can't be good,
can it.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
We actually found out from social media because someone's step
mum's boss reckoned that there was too much arsenic in
the water. Now, I think that's a really bad way
to find out that something's up. That might be slightly
alarming to find out on social media through rumors and
people texting each other trying to find out, and supermarket
shelves being cleared of water. I think authorities undermine a
(05:28):
lot of trust when they sit on information that they
should get out there as soon as public, as soon
as they possibly can. And part of the reason I
think that we are susceptible now to being really picky
with authorities is because we lost a lot of trust
and authorities during COVID. I mean, a lot of us
packed holes in what they were saying, found out they
were telling FIBs, FIBs about people, the women going to Northland,
(05:50):
fibbs about Charlotte Ballas, fibbs about the KFC worker with
holding information, holding lockdowns longer than they needed to. And
it's ironic that I'm telling you the story on the
day that the COVID report lands and vindicates a lot
of what we were concerned about and says, na, actually,
you guys were right. They did actually know things and
they didn't act on them.
Speaker 5 (06:10):
Anyway.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
I'm not telling you this because I'm advocating for you
to ignore authorities at all. I'm telling you this that
you understand perhaps why you might be feeling same as me,
maybe doing some irrational things like going out and buying water.
And I'm also telling you this so that their authorities
understand the level of ground that they have to make
up with us to earn our trust back. And what
water Care and the water authorities did yesterday that's not helpful.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
It's funny how often with these stories you'd get the
headline and not much else too.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
So I heard a lot of stories.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yesterday morning about how there is too much ass neck
in the water. But the one question I had, which
didn't get answered until I actually asked somebody here at work,
was how did it get in there?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Anyway? How do you get askedic in the water? And
then of course.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Somebody say to meet, well, it comes from rocks, Like
I was an idiot for not knowing there, And then
I realized I was giving ant mixed up with SINAI,
which I think you make from grinding up apple.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Seeds, if or something for some sorts of seeds, which
is why you're not supposed to at dogs in the apples.
I've got a little bit off fact for you. But yeah,
so basically, don't drink the water, don't lift the rocks,
is what I learned out of that. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
So yeah, every year around this time we talk about
the Erabas disaster, the plane crash, and there's.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Still no memorial and people are still arguing about what it.
Speaker 8 (07:40):
Should be and where it should be, because I know
people are looking about where they should put the memorial site.
So my recollection from previous talkback I think we did
on the forty year commemoration of Erebus was that the
plane flew from Auckland to christ Church and then I
(08:04):
think there was a crew change. I'm not entirely sure
about that, but then it flew from christ Church to
Antarctica and was expected to return back to christ Church
and then come back to Auckland. The other thing I
remember at the time about that was that the trips
(08:27):
to Arabis were considered well, they did a number of them,
and they were much talked about things. Sorry, not the
trips to Arabus. The trips to Antarctica were much talked
about things, and I remember vividly there were competitions like
for toothpaste and stuff, and the prize was a trip
(08:47):
to Antarctica on a sightseeing plane, so it was a
really big deal. Arabis is a active volcano that sits
over Scott Bass and McMurdo Base in Antarctica. Yeah, and
if you are in Antarctica, it sort of bubbles away
over you. It sort of feels like the Mountain Overlord.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Shouldn't that be where it is on Erebus?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I mean I get that not many people would see
it there, but could you put it there and have
a webcam and then people could look at it if
they wanted to do stupid Ilegan, stop stop trying to
have ideas about things.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Sorry, news talk z it bean.
Speaker 9 (09:32):
Right.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
So Mike Hoskin was talking about this the other day
and as usual, all the afternoon shows, you know, two, three,
four days behind. But yeah, they got into the end
sertification of well of the internet.
Speaker 9 (09:44):
Basically, we're talking about the decline of digital platforms.
Speaker 10 (09:47):
There's a word for it, Yeah, block your ears if
you don't like dirty words. It's in shitification.
Speaker 9 (09:53):
Sums it up, though, didn't it.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Yeah. First, digital platforms are good to the users.
Speaker 10 (09:57):
Then they abuse their users to make things better for
their business customers. Finally they abuse their business cousins call
things back. We've been talking a lot about Airbnb, both
sides of it. People booking airbb and barb BMB not
liking the extra charges and people running Airbnb's not liking
the admin in the way things going. But I also
want to talk about dating apps because that's definitely happening there.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Hi boys. I met my missus of three years on Hinge.
Speaker 10 (10:23):
Back when I was on the app, there was no
ads at all, but recently saw my mates Tinder full
of ads, which came as a huge surprise.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Best bless blessed cheer boys. Thanks for your text and
congratulation on finding finding it is good work.
Speaker 9 (10:34):
Yeah, it's a big thing though, isn't it. I mean
Tinder now is paid to play, same with whom, same
with bumble. If you don't pay the money, you are
not going to get legitimate matches.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
It's you're gonna get choked.
Speaker 10 (10:44):
Yeah yeah yeah, what about the old I reckon get
rid of the apps altogether. I think that's a terrible
way to find love. Someone might someone and luck. That's
not how I've used it, so maybe I'm wrong, But
it just seems everyone I talked to on there it's
just an absolute allhole dumpsterfy.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
It's a dumpsterify of misery, you know.
Speaker 10 (11:04):
And I've talked to bar owners who say that because
of the dating apps, people don't talk to each other anymore.
They just go out, they're flicking their apps. They're going out,
people going individual dates. But they tried and true proper
key we weigh to meet someone is to have a
little bit of a chat when they're buying a drink
and say hello, are you what are you up to
(11:24):
and just starting a conversation. And then friend groups come
together and you meet people that way. That if it
wasn't for the apps, then that would still be going
on because so many people, I mean so many people
have met each other.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
We've all got a mom and dad system. The system
used to work.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
It's a good point, actually, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Is it another one of these things that were supposed
to make things better, but it's made at worse because
you know, we'll these declining birth rates everywhere.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Interesting, it's probably.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Just another symptom of the downfall society. We know, I
wouldn't worry about it. And on that note, have a
great everyone, and we'll see you back here and get.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
On mondays us Talking Talking Zied Bean. For more from
News Talk sid B, listen live on air or online
and keep our shows with you wherever you go with
our podcasts on iHeartRadio,
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